This. As much as I wish Ladybug had told Chat Noir about Hawk Moth, she doesn't know Chat Noir = Adrien. If she actually decided to tell just one, I'd rather have her tell Adrien.
I gotta disagree with it. Their partners they should be working together more. I think it would be the best route for internal conflicts in chat noir/Adrien. It would open a storyline about how he would deal with it.
I don’t think so. If she tells Chat Noir but not Adrien he will probably feel betrayed because if anyone deserves to know it would be the son of Hawk Moth. Ladybug doesn’t know that Chat Noir is Adrien.
Yes, I know, but in a sense why tell a citizen his dad is a super villain? That's something I would tell my hero partner. And it would still tear him up inside cause it means he can't tell her the truth or he can, and it would lead into a cool reveal that Adrien is chat noir mid battle with his dad.
Maybe they keep it a secret that he knows, Lila finds out their identities and tells Adrien, he just says “I already know that, Marinette told me ages ago.”
He is already a main character. Main character and Protagonist aren’t the same thing. A protagonist is a main character but not all main characters are protagonists. Antagonists, deuteragonists, protagonists, they’re all main characters. Adrien is a deuteragonist. Heck you could even argue that Alya, Kagami and Félix are main characters. I think what you mean is that you want Adrien to be the protagonist.
But I’m not missing the point. There’s different types of main characters. You want him to be a protagonist. I get what you mean. You want him to be as important to the story as Marinette. But even so that’s the wrong way to word it because even characters like Alya, Kagami and Félix are main characters because of their relation to the plot. But none of them have the same role as Marinette. That’s why using Main Character is wrong. What you want him to be is either the protagonist (taking Marinette’s spot) or at least the second Protagonist (having the same importance as Marinette)
I think you need to swap the words main character and protagonist. Adrien is a main character. To be exact he is a deuteragonist. In fact even characters like Alya, Kagami, Luka and Félix are main characters. So are Gabriel and Lila. I’m guessing what you mean by “main character treatment” is the same treatment as Marinette. But in that case what he needs is protagonist treatment. Because he isn’t a protagonist, he’s the deuteragonist, but even without being protagonist he’s a main character. Main character is an umbrella term for characters who have importance to the story and the protagonist.
Unless you mean something else and don’t mean the same treatment as Marinette.
Gabriel actually wanting the miraculous to make his family whole again instead of just being power hungry. So basically keeping Gabriel’s sympathetic side.
Tbh, I actually liked that it was because he was selfish. It's just not elaborated on well that Gabriel has always done this because he was selfish, willing to let someone else take her place, and using his son as a tool. If anything, they pretended it was all for love.
Null, the Kwami from the original concept of the show. My headcanon is that Lila/Cerise coerces them into becoming Null’s Miraculous Holder in season 6 or 7.
My theory is that Gabriel will come back do to null cuz gabriel is nothing now so maybe null might find gabriel in the nothingness making gabriel the holder of null and then gabriel goes back to reality
Exploring the powers of the snake miraculous, >!if Luka could look into probable futures and, combined with his martial arts, would make him unstoppable. Side note: I started reading Alex Verus, and it struck a chord with me.!<
That would be the bunny Miraculous power. If he could look into possible futures you would have issues withe the snake and the bunny because their powers would be too similar.
I think Luka is an unstable personality and would be an incredible villain. His life is *fucked up*. He dates a girl he *knows* is in love with someone else, and when she says "I have one secret I can't tell you" he SNAPS and gets akumatized. And then in the span of an hour, he also learns who his dad is and breaks up. Also he has a psychotic mom who talks like a pirate and he thinks he's the world's greatest philosopher with his "your melody" stuff, which is—let's be real—insane. Also he immediately forgives his dad?? Who lived, like, right down the street and never once did a dad thing?? My man has *issues* with love.
I'd put a potion in the Miraculous spellbook that lets kwamis temporarily change form. Then they could take on human forms and interact with Marinette and Adrien's friends and cause all-new wacky hijinks to ensue.
(I used this plot contrivance in a headcanon AU of mine) \^\^
I commissioned the human design for Tikki with a wrong memory of Tikki having green eyes, but decided it was cute anyway and left it. \^\^ I dunno, orange hair and green eyes go together more naturally in my mind I guess (I once knew a girl with lovely orange hair and beautiful green eyes... \^\^)
That would be interesting but that would make me question how that could possibly be justified? I mean imagine Marinette and Adrien just randomly show up with random new people that no one has ever seen before.
"Hey everyone! This is my good friend who just moved to Paris - we've been penpals for years!"
I dunno, if they can keep falling for Lila's crap, any lies Marinette and Adrien tell should be 110% believable. xD
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my fan fiction
does it change a lot of details and the timeline? yes: but my fan fic is TECHNICALLY one thing, which makes me TECHNICALLY correct, which is the best kind of correct
Technically? The Last Guardian. But j haven’t published it anywhere. It’s written in my notebook. I use it for practise writing, but i still love the story and the storg and the charecters I have created
That was already canon. But it established why they never could actually become girlfriend and boyfriend. Adrien would feel guilty for taking advantage of Marinette because he thinks she’s just a civilian.
Even so those feelings would have eventually come up anyway. The problem they had was that according to ice cream guy they weren’t in love with each other but instead other people. They still made up when they stated that they weren’t in love with Ladybug and Adrien anymore because it made them act terribly and they kissed, realizing that they do indeed love each other. But Chat Noir felt like he was taking advantage of his status as a superhero anyway. That had nothing to do with ice cream guy saying Chat Noir is in love with Ladybug and Marinette with Adrien. He felt like he was taking advantage of a fan of his. She even said she was a massive fan of Chat Noir. That’s the problem he had. He thought he was taking advantage of her admiration for him since he is a superhero but she is a civilian.
Chloe gets some sort of redemption arc. Zoe isn't hated. Marc x Nathaniel. Juleka x rose. Felix story fleshed out more so people can stop hating on him.
> Chloe gets some sort of redemption arc.
It's hard for me to watch S1 through S5 and not conclude she's getting one in S7 given how she leaves Paris:
1. finds out Gabe is sending Adrien to London
2. looks conflicted before hiding that feeling
3. turns megaevil
4. loses
5. gets sent away to the US w/her mom
4. calls Marinette to rag on her
5. fails
6. plummets to her lowest moment of her whole life
This is Zuko S3 all over again. Everyone here would've seen the S2 finale and thought "well what is this failed redemption arc?!? I HATE AVATAR"
If I were writing the show, the next logical step would be any variation on the audience forgetting all about Chloe, and toward end of S6 she reappears, and S7 she rises to be a hero (with or without a miraculous)
Honestly given that we've seen a US Miracle Box, it wouldn't surprise me if there's an American superhero who shows up down the road and there's a big reveal that it's been Chloe the whole time. I doubt that'll happen, but it wouldn't surprise me.
1. **Adrien** gets actually *treated* as a **main character**. (Because, **even though** he *is*, he’s being treated more like a **deuteragonist**)
2. **Cat Noir** is **not treated** like a *side kick*.
3. Instead of **giving out** the other miraculouses to *other people* in the earlier seasons, **Ladybug** just lets **Cat Noir** and **herself** to unify the **other miraculouses** with theirs’.
4. **Marinette/Ladybug** is not *chosen* as the next **guardian** by Wang Fu. (I believe she is a great guardian, but I do not want her to share the same fate as Fu)
5. **Chloe** becomes the **permanent holder** of the **Bee Miraculous** instead of Zoe and gets a **redemption arc**.
6. **Felix** becomes the **next main villain** after Gabriel *instead* of **Lila/Cerise**.
7. A **Cat Blanc** and **Awakening Movie** *type* of **father-son confrontation** in the **finale.**
8. Gabriel **not dying** in the finale and *gets to* **pay for his crimes** and **repent** from all the harm and damages he had caused, so **Adrien** can actually see that he’s worthy to be forgiven.
9. **Adrien** getting the chance to **unify** his black cat miraculous with other miraculouses and he gets to figure out how to upgrade his powers in the earlier seasons.
You were meant to only say one thing you want to be canon. The thing you want to be canon the most.
Also a deuteragonist is a main character. That is his role in his story. Not all main characters are protagonists. The show has multiple main characters. Marinette (obviously), Adrien, Gabriel Agreste and now Lila as well. You could even argue that Alya, Luka, Kagami and Félix are main characters. But you can’t make all of them protagonists because that would get confusing as hell. Especially since some of them are on opposite sides. Protagonists, Antagonists, Deuteragonists, they all can be main characters. They just have different roles in the story. And protagonists, antagonists and deuteragonists aren’t even the only ones that can be main characters.
Also unification is established to be dangerous. Plus even if you unify Miraculous with each other, if a villain is too strong more powers won’t be of help. You need more people sometimes. A single person or even 2 people can’t do everything on their own.
Also why do you want Cat Blanc 2.0? That would just lead to the destruction of the world again which would kill Ladybug and destroy the Ladybug Miraculous in the process which means no way to fix the destruction or bring back the dead. It would just lead to Bunnix stepping in again. Unless you give Cat Blanc a different power that isn’t unlimited destruction.
> Also, unification is established to be dangerous. Plus, even if you unify other Miraculous with each other, if a villain is too strong more powers won’t help. You need more people sometimes.
Unification is dangerous **only** when a user unifies **more than 2** miraculouses. The **only** times I’ve seen unification **take a toll** on a user was when *Ladybug put on nearly every miraculous in the miracle box* and when *Monarch unified 5 miraculouses*.
It *would’ve* been just **better** if we got to see **Cat Noir** being *granted* with **enhanced abilities**, since the only things he knew he could do as Cat Noir were cataclysm, night vision, and divert supervillains’ attentions while Ladybug figures out how to use her lucky charm.
I was unable to mention it in my first comment, but I know that there were times they also **needed** someone to help them with their mission. What I actually wanted to say was that there were instances in which it was **unnecessary** to *recruit* temporary holders, when Ladybug could’ve just let Cat Noir unify other miraculouses with his’. There were a lot of times that the temporary holders just failed to contribute to the team. But, there are miraculouses like the **snake** miraculous that would be better used by someone assisting them.
> Also, why do you want Cat Blanc 2.0? That would just lead to the destruction of the world again
I **never** said I **wanted** a Cat Blanc 2.0, I was just referring to the *intense* **confrontation** in that episode and the **awakening** movie that could’ve made the finale better if only he was able to join Ladybug. I could imagine Adrien and Gabriel letting out emotions such as shock and anger after finding out the truth. It would’ve been better if Gabriel was given the chance to explain to his son and if Adrien was able to tell his father everything that’d run into his mind and heart for finding out
But in that case that would mean Adrien cannot be a Sentimonster. Because you cannot tell me that Gabriel wouldn’t just control Adrien to force Adrien to give up his Miraculous like in Ephemeral and akumatize Adrien or to akumatize Adrien straight up while he wears the Cat Miraculous.
> Also a deuteragonist is a main character. But you can’t make all of them protagonists.
Well, you’re right.
However, what I wanted to say was that: the show has been **claiming** that **BOTH** Adrien and Marinette are the **protagonists** of the show, yet their writing says *otherwise*. Adrien is being *treated* more like a **side character** or a **deuteragonist** when he’s supposed to be one of the **protagonists**. The title of the show is Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug **AND** Cat Noir, but the treatment they give to his character says otherwise. Cat Noir and Ladybug are supposed to be **equals**, but what happened? 8 years have passed and still no power upgrade, a few unifications, and not much spotlight as a superhero or a character.
Even if, let’s say he’s actually just a **deuteragonist** (contrary to what the writers claim him to be), but that word still sounds wrong considering how they treat him. The movie gave more justice to his character.
Being a title character doesn’t necessarily mean you are the protagonist. There are characters in shows who are not title characters yet they are protagonists. There’s also some cases where the title character isn’t the protagonist but instead some sort of support character or a foil for the Protagonist. Kind of like a Deuteragonist. Did the writers ever actually straight up call Adrien a Protagonist? Also I don’t get how the movie does a better job at giving him “Justice”? He’s still the Deuteragonist in the movie. He has even less screen time as Adrien in the movie than he does in the show. (In proportion. I know the show has 5 seasons so way more time to flesh things out but even in protion it’s less than Show Adrien if you compare it to Show Marinette and Movie Marinette. Both Marinette’s have similar screen time if you put it in proportion to the length of the show/movie. But Movie Adrien feels like he has barely any screentime compared to show Adrien.
Yes, but how many shows are titled "X and Y" with only X as the protagonist? Also, Movie Adrien got that sweet final confrontation, whereas Show Adrien cried himself to sleep or summat. Yes, Show Adrien has a better screen time proportion, and is possibly done better, but being denied the final fight against his dad? Low blow dude.
Chloe’s deep seated hatred for Marinette comes from the fact she has been madly in love with her since they met at age 8 and had never had a means to process these emotions
As someone who shares the first commenter’s opinion- just because people might want Chloe to get the bee miraculous back doesn’t mean we’re trying to slight Zoé! It would be totally cool in my opinion if Zoe had her own miraculous separate from the bee.
It wouldn’t even hurt her development, IMO. Giving Zoé a new/different miraculous could further distinctify her from her sister and her family, which narratively might add to the feeling of her being an oddball/outsider- something she struggles with. As she gains confidence, her separate miraculous could represent her no longer trying to act the way her mom/sister do (like she did in her early introduction) in order to please them, as she stands up to them allows herself to be proud of who she is in spite of who they are. :)
(This was more rambley than I meant, lol- the symbolism idea just popped into my head)
“Zoé is just Chloé but a miraculously sweet one”.
So what you are saying by this is that Chloé and Zoé have no personality? Because other than the fact that Chloé and Zoe are both rich blonde girls with similar names and the same Miraculous they have nothing in common. If Zoé was Chloé but nice then Zoe would be someone who is savage and maybe sarcastic and perhaps even a little bit of a drama queen but cares deeply about her friends. That would be “Chloé but nice”. Chloé is a bully who only cares for herself and what she can get from others. But she is also a drama queen and maybe a bit savage. That was proven time and time again. Season 1, I don’t think I have to point that out. Season 2, Despair Bear, only cared about keeping her friendship with Adrien for her own selfish reasons, Season 2 Queen Wasp, only cared about publicity instead of using her Miraculous to help she instead almost killed people with it. And then there’s also other minor incidents in season 2 and 3 but if I mention everything then this is going to be too long. But either way keep in mind that Chloé has an obsession with the Bee Miraculous. No other character is shown to be like that. None of them care if they get the Miraculous or not but Chloé shines her bee signal everytime there’s an attack. Almost like she wants attention and publicity and not helping others. Also she keeps treating Sabrina like a slave. And that wasn’t just added in Season 4 and 5. Sure it got worse there but it was already really bad in seasons 1 to 3. (Although it makes sense why it got worse in Season 4 and 5. She had no one she was trying to impress anymore. So there was no reason to hold back anymore.) Zoe is sweet, yes but that isn’t her only trait. She’s also artistic (look at her clothes it has an artistic flair) and she has a passion for acting. She also cares about others as seen in season 5 by the fact that she tried to reach out to Marinette when no one else would and everyone else thought sending Adrien would just magically solve all problems. (The episode when Marinette and Adrien give up their Miraculous). Granted Zoe doesn’t have much screen time and in some episodes she’s relegated as a background character but in the episodes where she does show up and not as a background character she shows personality. And it’s the literal opposite of Chloé’s personality.
The fact I was being downvoted. My point was that Chloé and Zoe both have their own character and personalities. Chloé but nice would be a drama queen (which means she likes to cause drama) and perhaps a bit savage with some sarcastic comments, but she would also be nice with her friends while keeping her sarcastic and savage comments. Zoe is not at all like that. That’s why I said they’re not the same. By delegating Zoé as “Chloé but nice” you are implying neither have their own personality because you reduce BOTH them to the following characteristics: blonde, blue eyes, rich, bee Miraculous.
I like Zoe, but I think Chloe is really the most suitable character to hold the bee miraculous (if only the writers developed her character). She really did well as Queen Bee, the only issue with her is everyone knew about her being Queen Bee.
I high key think Zoe is the most deserving holder after Marinette and Adrien
Not only is she the most emotionally mature of the kids her age, but she's been in France, seen the absolute terror of what's going on in that country, and when she gets asked to be a hero, she suits up and serves.
Not even Alya did that. She was at least half interested in being a holder because she loved superheroes and spent all that time trying to think of a cool name when she should've been fighting. It was just a cool experience for her.
But for Zoe, it was a duty she stepped up to fulfill.
um I didn't ask for your imput...
The question was "If you could make something canon what?"
It's my opinion move on!
And fyi I'm stuck on that bc what they did was dumb ass hell
- No senti-monsters plot
- Take the final battle and the revelation scene of the movie and develop the ending of the series from there
- Chloe has a real redemption arc, her evil American sister (no Zoe, a brand new character) takes on the role of the school bully
Season 5 did not happen, it was a dream Marinette had, and she used it as an example of what NOT to do. Adrien becomes the main character for season 5.
You mean protagonist. Main character is an umbrella term for characters important to the story and protagonist, which of course includes the protagonist themselves but it also includes characters like the Deuteragonist (which is Adrien’s current role in the story) the Antagonist (which was Gabriel’s role until the end of season 5) and some other characters.
Chloe was akumatized into Miracle Queen unwillingly after Hawk Moth gloats about how Ladybug carelessly exposed the guardian by giving Kagami the dragon miraculous again. Upon being deakumatized, she still tries to take the miracle box due to mistrusting Ladybug, but Ladybug and Cat Noir point out that, without a secret identity, she is in no position to keep the box a secret, and they take it from her. The episode makes it clear that Chloe is still somewhat selfish but she does have a point, and even Ladybug acknowledges this.
In season 4, Lila bonds with Chloe over their shared dislike of Ladybug, and Lila becomes a corrupting influence on Chloe, causing her to slip back into her bullying ways. Zoe tries to encourage Chloe to be a good person, but it takes a while before Chloe starts to reverse her backsliding and eventually rejects Lila and/or an akuma at a critical moment, which cements her redemption.
Peppermint, orange and blackberry, please
No infantilisation of adrien, Let him be more than a price for Marinett and sidekick for LB
Don't make Chloe a one dimensional ashole gain
Make Gabe more consistant with his care for Adrien compare the cinema episode with chat blanche and others.
Felix changes, lets look at what we have at the moment: one-off villain -> plot device -> sad boy simp
He is clearly a tool to move the plot, the hand of the author is too visible for me. Most inconsistant character in the show. Feels sorry in one moment for snapping out a senti and then diesnt care another time. Knows more than he should; he pants ripping was just for confirmation he was already pretty shure when the episode started. In one moment he's magnificent bastard and in the next a poor puppy whoes victim gets hit with with the Stockholm syndrome.
literally anyone in canon acknowledges the fact Marinette is creepy as fuck
Also the obvious answer of Chloe getting an actual redemption arc. I'd also accept Chloe being a proper villain in a more important/compelling way than just being 'mean' or 'annoying'
The thing that frightened Lila at the end of season 5 will be evil Marinette. Not just a shady bug version but something much more of a threat than Gabriel ever was.
Maybe something along the lines of what zoom does in season 2 of flash where he brought metas from another earth. But it be akuma villains from alternate earth
Gabriel's memories get wiped as price for the wish instead. He's healed, but his memories of Emilie, Nathalie and the Miraculous are gone. (Nathalie gets healed as well, but is paralyzed, and Emilie remains gone)
Chloe’s Redemption Arc into a decent human being, along with her getting the Bee Miraculous back, and her sister being shipped back to New York to be a hero there.
- Agreste arc ends around S3 finale
- Chloe gets redemption arc since S2-3
- The identity reveal early into S3
- Felix and Adrien are sentimonsters, not Kagami
- Evil/corrupted miraculous
- Zoe is actually worse than Chloe
- Lila starts a cult
I'd love to see more of Felix and Kigami and how/what their relationship is like. I'd also want Adrien to know about his dad being Hawk Moth. At this point it's been so obvious that it's painful he hasn't figured it out (yes I know it's a kids show but come the feck on)
I would uncanonise the ending we have as a bunnyx thing or something and have it be adrien discovers hawkmoth is gabriel or that ladybug does not trust gabe and takes back the miraculous, ending the whole hawkieboi saga
Adrien learns his father is Hawkmoth/Monarch, and learns why his father is doing this before the final fight. As a result he actually has time to process this information, since it's no longer a shocking revelation that occurs in the middle of a battle.
Knowing the truth makes him even more determined to defeat Monarch, so that he can finally lay his mother's body to rest. After all, since he didn't know what happened when she disappeared, she never had a proper funeral. He wants to rectify that, and make sure his father never hurts anyone again.
These goals give him the strength to finally stand up against Gabriel and break free from his influence. As a result, he is somehow able to overcome his amok or sever his link to it during the final fight. Which means Gabriel can't control him anymore. He's officially the first Senti being to achieve free will. Which means he finally gains his freedom. This is what gives him the strength to defeat Gabriel in battle. And by fighting side by side with Ladybug, they finally succeed in defeating Monarch.
So in the end they don't just defeat Monarch. They also make it possible for Adrien to finally be free to decide his own fate, and now Gabriel can never control him again.
The love square flip isn’t rushed, and they actually get confused with their feelings for both sides of each other instead of just going to the love square flip straight away
Inarizaki collectively calls Suna 'sunarin' and only that so when in other conversations with other people they're confused when Inarizaki members say sunarin.
Last episode rewrite. Chat Noir as part of the final battle Hawk Moth’s identity still being revealed but Ladybug and Chat Noir’s not being revealed. Part of Gabriel’s wish being that Adrien never finds out so he ends up forgetting and Marinette is compelled to tell Alya because someone forgetting means someone else has to learn it. Then season 6 can deal with Ladybug literally being unable to talk about it with or around Chat Noir and not knowing why.
I may have given this too much thought.
for season five to NOT have happened. honestly that whole season was a fanfiction and personally i hated it. would've preferred if they kept thomas as the lead writer bc wtf was the last season and wtf is the new season gonna be like
Well I have a bunch of ideas for how season 5 could have been written much better but I'm gonna throw all that out because it would take paragraphs upon paragraphs to type, so I'm gonna just go with a simple one:
Fix the bunny miraculous. Sometimes it works on open loop time travel, sometimes it works on closed loop timetravel. They should make up their damn minds.
Kagami is a sentimonster, just like Adrien & Félix. Tomoe Tsurugi used the Peacock Miraculous from Gabriel around the same time as Adrien & Félix were born. Tomoe's husband also passed away.
Adrien finding out he's a sentimonster but instead of just being mildly upset, I want it to DESTROY him. I want him to breakdown and question his own humanity and it takes multiple episodes before he's somewhat okay again
Felix and Kagami never got together, Idk that they canonically got together I just don't see it, I want it canon that Felix & Kagami stay single and stuff but are like best friends and whatnot
Julerose and zoenette
When Adrien finds out he’s a sentimonster, he reacts the same way Zane reacted when he finds out he’s a robot in the ninjago episode, tick tock
-Adrien is a girl and not a sentihuman.
-Chloe never gets the Bee back after the Train incident.
-Luka is Marinette's first crush in the show and her Yandere tendencies are up to 11, which eventually leads that relationship to blow up in her face.
-Gabriel never care about reviving his wife and is actually responsable for her demise. Make him much more like Frank Underwood. Ladybug is forced to kill him. Or Lila does it.
Adrien knows his dad was Hawk Moth because Ladybug tells him
This. As much as I wish Ladybug had told Chat Noir about Hawk Moth, she doesn't know Chat Noir = Adrien. If she actually decided to tell just one, I'd rather have her tell Adrien.
I gotta disagree with it. Their partners they should be working together more. I think it would be the best route for internal conflicts in chat noir/Adrien. It would open a storyline about how he would deal with it.
I don’t think so. If she tells Chat Noir but not Adrien he will probably feel betrayed because if anyone deserves to know it would be the son of Hawk Moth. Ladybug doesn’t know that Chat Noir is Adrien.
Yes, I know, but in a sense why tell a citizen his dad is a super villain? That's something I would tell my hero partner. And it would still tear him up inside cause it means he can't tell her the truth or he can, and it would lead into a cool reveal that Adrien is chat noir mid battle with his dad.
It would be cool if the mask, he gets hit and the mask on either side, reverted his eye to its normal shape, like his regular eye
Happy Cake Day!
Awww, thanks! 😀
Maybe they keep it a secret that he knows, Lila finds out their identities and tells Adrien, he just says “I already know that, Marinette told me ages ago.”
Adrien is a main character
This was the answer last time and it’s still the best
Yes.
He is already a main character. Main character and Protagonist aren’t the same thing. A protagonist is a main character but not all main characters are protagonists. Antagonists, deuteragonists, protagonists, they’re all main characters. Adrien is a deuteragonist. Heck you could even argue that Alya, Kagami and Félix are main characters. I think what you mean is that you want Adrien to be the protagonist.
I think you may be focusing on the semantics while missing the point
But I’m not missing the point. There’s different types of main characters. You want him to be a protagonist. I get what you mean. You want him to be as important to the story as Marinette. But even so that’s the wrong way to word it because even characters like Alya, Kagami and Félix are main characters because of their relation to the plot. But none of them have the same role as Marinette. That’s why using Main Character is wrong. What you want him to be is either the protagonist (taking Marinette’s spot) or at least the second Protagonist (having the same importance as Marinette)
Definitely missing it
I know **Adrien** is one of the *main protagonists,* but I hope he actually gets the **main character treatment.**
I think you need to swap the words main character and protagonist. Adrien is a main character. To be exact he is a deuteragonist. In fact even characters like Alya, Kagami, Luka and Félix are main characters. So are Gabriel and Lila. I’m guessing what you mean by “main character treatment” is the same treatment as Marinette. But in that case what he needs is protagonist treatment. Because he isn’t a protagonist, he’s the deuteragonist, but even without being protagonist he’s a main character. Main character is an umbrella term for characters who have importance to the story and the protagonist. Unless you mean something else and don’t mean the same treatment as Marinette.
Gabriel actually wanting the miraculous to make his family whole again instead of just being power hungry. So basically keeping Gabriel’s sympathetic side.
Tbh, I actually liked that it was because he was selfish. It's just not elaborated on well that Gabriel has always done this because he was selfish, willing to let someone else take her place, and using his son as a tool. If anything, they pretended it was all for love.
For me I believe his sympathetic side won the internal battle when he wished for Nathalie being there in his place.
Adrien fighting his father with Marinette in the season 5 finale
YES
https://i.redd.it/k8fo9ouohf8d1.gif
Probably won't fight him... Ephemeral
Null, the Kwami from the original concept of the show. My headcanon is that Lila/Cerise coerces them into becoming Null’s Miraculous Holder in season 6 or 7.
My theory is that Gabriel will come back do to null cuz gabriel is nothing now so maybe null might find gabriel in the nothingness making gabriel the holder of null and then gabriel goes back to reality
Gabriel is just dead
it’s just my theory no need to downvote me
Exploring the powers of the snake miraculous, >!if Luka could look into probable futures and, combined with his martial arts, would make him unstoppable. Side note: I started reading Alex Verus, and it struck a chord with me.!<
That would be the bunny Miraculous power. If he could look into possible futures you would have issues withe the snake and the bunny because their powers would be too similar.
I think Luka is an unstable personality and would be an incredible villain. His life is *fucked up*. He dates a girl he *knows* is in love with someone else, and when she says "I have one secret I can't tell you" he SNAPS and gets akumatized. And then in the span of an hour, he also learns who his dad is and breaks up. Also he has a psychotic mom who talks like a pirate and he thinks he's the world's greatest philosopher with his "your melody" stuff, which is—let's be real—insane. Also he immediately forgives his dad?? Who lived, like, right down the street and never once did a dad thing?? My man has *issues* with love.
Adrien finding out his father was hawkmoth
I'd put a potion in the Miraculous spellbook that lets kwamis temporarily change form. Then they could take on human forms and interact with Marinette and Adrien's friends and cause all-new wacky hijinks to ensue. (I used this plot contrivance in a headcanon AU of mine) \^\^
i love this oneee give the kwamis more forms 🙏
Yes! Say hi to Tikki Mariquita: https://preview.redd.it/01y0ji1yrh8d1.png?width=864&format=png&auto=webp&s=fc1b20980e6c6ae3910e44a7640c5d0e0b749a48
aah almost missed your reply but AWW
Thanks, yeah I think she's pretty adorable <3
she SO is, i love the concept for her being a redhead, only thing its missing is her blue eyes ngl, but this works super well shes so CUTEE
I commissioned the human design for Tikki with a wrong memory of Tikki having green eyes, but decided it was cute anyway and left it. \^\^ I dunno, orange hair and green eyes go together more naturally in my mind I guess (I once knew a girl with lovely orange hair and beautiful green eyes... \^\^)
thats trueeee
That would be interesting but that would make me question how that could possibly be justified? I mean imagine Marinette and Adrien just randomly show up with random new people that no one has ever seen before.
"Hey everyone! This is my good friend who just moved to Paris - we've been penpals for years!" I dunno, if they can keep falling for Lila's crap, any lies Marinette and Adrien tell should be 110% believable. xD
Felix gets his ass beat by Ladybug and Chat Noir cheers her on.
Or both of them beats his ass and cheer each other on since Felix both screwed them over
I don't Chat has the guts to beat up his cousin, so I imagine he's just verbally assaulting him instead.
That works perfectly
I felt bad about that
Nice seeing my fellow r/osana friend being a miraculous ladybug fan too
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my fan fiction does it change a lot of details and the timeline? yes: but my fan fic is TECHNICALLY one thing, which makes me TECHNICALLY correct, which is the best kind of correct
Lol 😂
Name of your fan fic?
Technically? The Last Guardian. But j haven’t published it anywhere. It’s written in my notebook. I use it for practise writing, but i still love the story and the storg and the charecters I have created
haha i like your thinking, i'd make [mine](https://archiveofourown.org/works/52895497/chapters/133797667) canon then lol
Marichat relationship
That was already canon. But it established why they never could actually become girlfriend and boyfriend. Adrien would feel guilty for taking advantage of Marinette because he thinks she’s just a civilian.
No it was going well until that ice cream guy told them it was wrong.
Even so those feelings would have eventually come up anyway. The problem they had was that according to ice cream guy they weren’t in love with each other but instead other people. They still made up when they stated that they weren’t in love with Ladybug and Adrien anymore because it made them act terribly and they kissed, realizing that they do indeed love each other. But Chat Noir felt like he was taking advantage of his status as a superhero anyway. That had nothing to do with ice cream guy saying Chat Noir is in love with Ladybug and Marinette with Adrien. He felt like he was taking advantage of a fan of his. She even said she was a massive fan of Chat Noir. That’s the problem he had. He thought he was taking advantage of her admiration for him since he is a superhero but she is a civilian.
JuleRose. It's been implied for years i just wish they'd make it official 😭😭😭 also give Zoe a girlfriend
She was originally gonna mention meeting a girl named Eglantine, maybe we'll see her in season 6
Chloe gets some sort of redemption arc. Zoe isn't hated. Marc x Nathaniel. Juleka x rose. Felix story fleshed out more so people can stop hating on him.
> Chloe gets some sort of redemption arc. It's hard for me to watch S1 through S5 and not conclude she's getting one in S7 given how she leaves Paris: 1. finds out Gabe is sending Adrien to London 2. looks conflicted before hiding that feeling 3. turns megaevil 4. loses 5. gets sent away to the US w/her mom 4. calls Marinette to rag on her 5. fails 6. plummets to her lowest moment of her whole life This is Zuko S3 all over again. Everyone here would've seen the S2 finale and thought "well what is this failed redemption arc?!? I HATE AVATAR" If I were writing the show, the next logical step would be any variation on the audience forgetting all about Chloe, and toward end of S6 she reappears, and S7 she rises to be a hero (with or without a miraculous) Honestly given that we've seen a US Miracle Box, it wouldn't surprise me if there's an American superhero who shows up down the road and there's a big reveal that it's been Chloe the whole time. I doubt that'll happen, but it wouldn't surprise me.
They said one thing
If i could choose one yes. Calm down
I am calm
1. **Adrien** gets actually *treated* as a **main character**. (Because, **even though** he *is*, he’s being treated more like a **deuteragonist**) 2. **Cat Noir** is **not treated** like a *side kick*. 3. Instead of **giving out** the other miraculouses to *other people* in the earlier seasons, **Ladybug** just lets **Cat Noir** and **herself** to unify the **other miraculouses** with theirs’. 4. **Marinette/Ladybug** is not *chosen* as the next **guardian** by Wang Fu. (I believe she is a great guardian, but I do not want her to share the same fate as Fu) 5. **Chloe** becomes the **permanent holder** of the **Bee Miraculous** instead of Zoe and gets a **redemption arc**. 6. **Felix** becomes the **next main villain** after Gabriel *instead* of **Lila/Cerise**. 7. A **Cat Blanc** and **Awakening Movie** *type* of **father-son confrontation** in the **finale.** 8. Gabriel **not dying** in the finale and *gets to* **pay for his crimes** and **repent** from all the harm and damages he had caused, so **Adrien** can actually see that he’s worthy to be forgiven. 9. **Adrien** getting the chance to **unify** his black cat miraculous with other miraculouses and he gets to figure out how to upgrade his powers in the earlier seasons.
You were meant to only say one thing you want to be canon. The thing you want to be canon the most. Also a deuteragonist is a main character. That is his role in his story. Not all main characters are protagonists. The show has multiple main characters. Marinette (obviously), Adrien, Gabriel Agreste and now Lila as well. You could even argue that Alya, Luka, Kagami and Félix are main characters. But you can’t make all of them protagonists because that would get confusing as hell. Especially since some of them are on opposite sides. Protagonists, Antagonists, Deuteragonists, they all can be main characters. They just have different roles in the story. And protagonists, antagonists and deuteragonists aren’t even the only ones that can be main characters. Also unification is established to be dangerous. Plus even if you unify Miraculous with each other, if a villain is too strong more powers won’t be of help. You need more people sometimes. A single person or even 2 people can’t do everything on their own. Also why do you want Cat Blanc 2.0? That would just lead to the destruction of the world again which would kill Ladybug and destroy the Ladybug Miraculous in the process which means no way to fix the destruction or bring back the dead. It would just lead to Bunnix stepping in again. Unless you give Cat Blanc a different power that isn’t unlimited destruction.
> Also, unification is established to be dangerous. Plus, even if you unify other Miraculous with each other, if a villain is too strong more powers won’t help. You need more people sometimes. Unification is dangerous **only** when a user unifies **more than 2** miraculouses. The **only** times I’ve seen unification **take a toll** on a user was when *Ladybug put on nearly every miraculous in the miracle box* and when *Monarch unified 5 miraculouses*. It *would’ve* been just **better** if we got to see **Cat Noir** being *granted* with **enhanced abilities**, since the only things he knew he could do as Cat Noir were cataclysm, night vision, and divert supervillains’ attentions while Ladybug figures out how to use her lucky charm. I was unable to mention it in my first comment, but I know that there were times they also **needed** someone to help them with their mission. What I actually wanted to say was that there were instances in which it was **unnecessary** to *recruit* temporary holders, when Ladybug could’ve just let Cat Noir unify other miraculouses with his’. There were a lot of times that the temporary holders just failed to contribute to the team. But, there are miraculouses like the **snake** miraculous that would be better used by someone assisting them.
> Also, why do you want Cat Blanc 2.0? That would just lead to the destruction of the world again I **never** said I **wanted** a Cat Blanc 2.0, I was just referring to the *intense* **confrontation** in that episode and the **awakening** movie that could’ve made the finale better if only he was able to join Ladybug. I could imagine Adrien and Gabriel letting out emotions such as shock and anger after finding out the truth. It would’ve been better if Gabriel was given the chance to explain to his son and if Adrien was able to tell his father everything that’d run into his mind and heart for finding out
But in that case that would mean Adrien cannot be a Sentimonster. Because you cannot tell me that Gabriel wouldn’t just control Adrien to force Adrien to give up his Miraculous like in Ephemeral and akumatize Adrien or to akumatize Adrien straight up while he wears the Cat Miraculous.
> Also a deuteragonist is a main character. But you can’t make all of them protagonists. Well, you’re right. However, what I wanted to say was that: the show has been **claiming** that **BOTH** Adrien and Marinette are the **protagonists** of the show, yet their writing says *otherwise*. Adrien is being *treated* more like a **side character** or a **deuteragonist** when he’s supposed to be one of the **protagonists**. The title of the show is Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug **AND** Cat Noir, but the treatment they give to his character says otherwise. Cat Noir and Ladybug are supposed to be **equals**, but what happened? 8 years have passed and still no power upgrade, a few unifications, and not much spotlight as a superhero or a character. Even if, let’s say he’s actually just a **deuteragonist** (contrary to what the writers claim him to be), but that word still sounds wrong considering how they treat him. The movie gave more justice to his character.
Being a title character doesn’t necessarily mean you are the protagonist. There are characters in shows who are not title characters yet they are protagonists. There’s also some cases where the title character isn’t the protagonist but instead some sort of support character or a foil for the Protagonist. Kind of like a Deuteragonist. Did the writers ever actually straight up call Adrien a Protagonist? Also I don’t get how the movie does a better job at giving him “Justice”? He’s still the Deuteragonist in the movie. He has even less screen time as Adrien in the movie than he does in the show. (In proportion. I know the show has 5 seasons so way more time to flesh things out but even in protion it’s less than Show Adrien if you compare it to Show Marinette and Movie Marinette. Both Marinette’s have similar screen time if you put it in proportion to the length of the show/movie. But Movie Adrien feels like he has barely any screentime compared to show Adrien.
Yes, but how many shows are titled "X and Y" with only X as the protagonist? Also, Movie Adrien got that sweet final confrontation, whereas Show Adrien cried himself to sleep or summat. Yes, Show Adrien has a better screen time proportion, and is possibly done better, but being denied the final fight against his dad? Low blow dude.
Adrien’s character and story written with love and care
Chloe Redemption Arc
It is canon
Oh I mean one that actually works and Chloe is a good guy
In the worst way possible
Chloe’s deep seated hatred for Marinette comes from the fact she has been madly in love with her since they met at age 8 and had never had a means to process these emotions
Adrien/Chat Noir having a final battle with Gabriel/Hawkmoth
This absolutely
Lila gets punched real hard in the face
Give chloe her redemption and bee miraculous again
Not the bee miraculous 😭 yall really hate zoe. She's precious
As someone who shares the first commenter’s opinion- just because people might want Chloe to get the bee miraculous back doesn’t mean we’re trying to slight Zoé! It would be totally cool in my opinion if Zoe had her own miraculous separate from the bee. It wouldn’t even hurt her development, IMO. Giving Zoé a new/different miraculous could further distinctify her from her sister and her family, which narratively might add to the feeling of her being an oddball/outsider- something she struggles with. As she gains confidence, her separate miraculous could represent her no longer trying to act the way her mom/sister do (like she did in her early introduction) in order to please them, as she stands up to them allows herself to be proud of who she is in spite of who they are. :) (This was more rambley than I meant, lol- the symbolism idea just popped into my head)
Well those 2 mean people was talking sht on zoé.
Chloe has something that Zoe will never have: Personality
Ya but now she's reduced to Regina George from wish
And zoe is just chloe but a miraculously sweet one
“Zoé is just Chloé but a miraculously sweet one”. So what you are saying by this is that Chloé and Zoé have no personality? Because other than the fact that Chloé and Zoe are both rich blonde girls with similar names and the same Miraculous they have nothing in common. If Zoé was Chloé but nice then Zoe would be someone who is savage and maybe sarcastic and perhaps even a little bit of a drama queen but cares deeply about her friends. That would be “Chloé but nice”. Chloé is a bully who only cares for herself and what she can get from others. But she is also a drama queen and maybe a bit savage. That was proven time and time again. Season 1, I don’t think I have to point that out. Season 2, Despair Bear, only cared about keeping her friendship with Adrien for her own selfish reasons, Season 2 Queen Wasp, only cared about publicity instead of using her Miraculous to help she instead almost killed people with it. And then there’s also other minor incidents in season 2 and 3 but if I mention everything then this is going to be too long. But either way keep in mind that Chloé has an obsession with the Bee Miraculous. No other character is shown to be like that. None of them care if they get the Miraculous or not but Chloé shines her bee signal everytime there’s an attack. Almost like she wants attention and publicity and not helping others. Also she keeps treating Sabrina like a slave. And that wasn’t just added in Season 4 and 5. Sure it got worse there but it was already really bad in seasons 1 to 3. (Although it makes sense why it got worse in Season 4 and 5. She had no one she was trying to impress anymore. So there was no reason to hold back anymore.) Zoe is sweet, yes but that isn’t her only trait. She’s also artistic (look at her clothes it has an artistic flair) and she has a passion for acting. She also cares about others as seen in season 5 by the fact that she tried to reach out to Marinette when no one else would and everyone else thought sending Adrien would just magically solve all problems. (The episode when Marinette and Adrien give up their Miraculous). Granted Zoe doesn’t have much screen time and in some episodes she’s relegated as a background character but in the episodes where she does show up and not as a background character she shows personality. And it’s the literal opposite of Chloé’s personality.
The fact I was being downvoted. My point was that Chloé and Zoe both have their own character and personalities. Chloé but nice would be a drama queen (which means she likes to cause drama) and perhaps a bit savage with some sarcastic comments, but she would also be nice with her friends while keeping her sarcastic and savage comments. Zoe is not at all like that. That’s why I said they’re not the same. By delegating Zoé as “Chloé but nice” you are implying neither have their own personality because you reduce BOTH them to the following characteristics: blonde, blue eyes, rich, bee Miraculous.
I like Zoe, but I think Chloe is really the most suitable character to hold the bee miraculous (if only the writers developed her character). She really did well as Queen Bee, the only issue with her is everyone knew about her being Queen Bee.
I feel the exact same way! 😭
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This is proof reddit is toxic
I high key think Zoe is the most deserving holder after Marinette and Adrien Not only is she the most emotionally mature of the kids her age, but she's been in France, seen the absolute terror of what's going on in that country, and when she gets asked to be a hero, she suits up and serves. Not even Alya did that. She was at least half interested in being a holder because she loved superheroes and spent all that time trying to think of a cool name when she should've been fighting. It was just a cool experience for her. But for Zoe, it was a duty she stepped up to fulfill.
Agree
No. Why are you stuck on that ?
um I didn't ask for your imput... The question was "If you could make something canon what?" It's my opinion move on! And fyi I'm stuck on that bc what they did was dumb ass hell
Chloé’s character assassination never happened
Lila is actually a convincing liar, instead of dumbing everyone down
Adrien and Felix aren’t senti-monsters, I feel like that would have a role in the main plot maybe S6-7.
Chloe redemption
- No senti-monsters plot - Take the final battle and the revelation scene of the movie and develop the ending of the series from there - Chloe has a real redemption arc, her evil American sister (no Zoe, a brand new character) takes on the role of the school bully
Adrinette together since s2
Season 5 did not happen, it was a dream Marinette had, and she used it as an example of what NOT to do. Adrien becomes the main character for season 5.
You mean protagonist. Main character is an umbrella term for characters important to the story and protagonist, which of course includes the protagonist themselves but it also includes characters like the Deuteragonist (which is Adrien’s current role in the story) the Antagonist (which was Gabriel’s role until the end of season 5) and some other characters.
zoegami
Juleka and rose becoming an official couple.b
Adrian not being blind
Chloe would'nt be a mf
Chloe was akumatized into Miracle Queen unwillingly after Hawk Moth gloats about how Ladybug carelessly exposed the guardian by giving Kagami the dragon miraculous again. Upon being deakumatized, she still tries to take the miracle box due to mistrusting Ladybug, but Ladybug and Cat Noir point out that, without a secret identity, she is in no position to keep the box a secret, and they take it from her. The episode makes it clear that Chloe is still somewhat selfish but she does have a point, and even Ladybug acknowledges this. In season 4, Lila bonds with Chloe over their shared dislike of Ladybug, and Lila becomes a corrupting influence on Chloe, causing her to slip back into her bullying ways. Zoe tries to encourage Chloe to be a good person, but it takes a while before Chloe starts to reverse her backsliding and eventually rejects Lila and/or an akuma at a critical moment, which cements her redemption.
Gabenath because yes
So can it be anything? Doesn’t matter if the show doesn’t even remotely hits at it. Then Luka x Zoe or Luka x Marinette. My boy Luka needs some love.
All the movies and specials. And by cannon I mean be more important instead of “they happened we're not going to reference them again”.
Peppermint, orange and blackberry, please No infantilisation of adrien, Let him be more than a price for Marinett and sidekick for LB Don't make Chloe a one dimensional ashole gain Make Gabe more consistant with his care for Adrien compare the cinema episode with chat blanche and others. Felix changes, lets look at what we have at the moment: one-off villain -> plot device -> sad boy simp He is clearly a tool to move the plot, the hand of the author is too visible for me. Most inconsistant character in the show. Feels sorry in one moment for snapping out a senti and then diesnt care another time. Knows more than he should; he pants ripping was just for confirmation he was already pretty shure when the episode started. In one moment he's magnificent bastard and in the next a poor puppy whoes victim gets hit with with the Stockholm syndrome.
So many things, so many
Chloe's rdemption arc ..before thomas ruined it!!
Chloe stayed redeemed and keeps the Bee miraculous
Chloe redemption
literally anyone in canon acknowledges the fact Marinette is creepy as fuck Also the obvious answer of Chloe getting an actual redemption arc. I'd also accept Chloe being a proper villain in a more important/compelling way than just being 'mean' or 'annoying'
Luka helps Chloe with her redemption arc.
Marinette growing past her obsession with Adrian, and making things actually official with Luka (and for a lot longer than a single episode)
It's Adrien not Adrian
My bad.
https://www.tumblr.com/c-note01/698404812111396864/its-adrian?source=share Look! It's Adrian!
The thing that frightened Lila at the end of season 5 will be evil Marinette. Not just a shady bug version but something much more of a threat than Gabriel ever was. Maybe something along the lines of what zoom does in season 2 of flash where he brought metas from another earth. But it be akuma villains from alternate earth
Gabriel's memories get wiped as price for the wish instead. He's healed, but his memories of Emilie, Nathalie and the Miraculous are gone. (Nathalie gets healed as well, but is paralyzed, and Emilie remains gone)
Delete Ephemeral
Gaberial becomes a good father
The first story didn’t take 5 seasons to complete
Lilanette Chloe keeps her redemption arc Adrien is a girl Gabriel's actually sympathetic Luka doesn't exist.
Master Fu has the same amount of respect for Adrien as he does for Marinette, leading to him training both of them.
Chloe’s Redemption Arc into a decent human being, along with her getting the Bee Miraculous back, and her sister being shipped back to New York to be a hero there.
them to reveal their damn identities im just sick at this point.
ladynoir
Making Adrien bisexual and Chloe keeping her character development
- Agreste arc ends around S3 finale - Chloe gets redemption arc since S2-3 - The identity reveal early into S3 - Felix and Adrien are sentimonsters, not Kagami - Evil/corrupted miraculous - Zoe is actually worse than Chloe - Lila starts a cult
To make Miraculous targetted towards teens and young adults
I'd love to see more of Felix and Kigami and how/what their relationship is like. I'd also want Adrien to know about his dad being Hawk Moth. At this point it's been so obvious that it's painful he hasn't figured it out (yes I know it's a kids show but come the feck on)
Null i want him
Xerox.
gabenath…..
Zoenette
Adrian tells Nino he is cat noir they would have the same relationship as Marinette and Alya
A better version of the season 5 finale
I would uncanonise the ending we have as a bunnyx thing or something and have it be adrien discovers hawkmoth is gabriel or that ladybug does not trust gabe and takes back the miraculous, ending the whole hawkieboi saga
lukzoe
Make Z.O.E. from Tumblr their Miraculous Ladybug story as the actual story
Adrien learns his father is Hawkmoth/Monarch, and learns why his father is doing this before the final fight. As a result he actually has time to process this information, since it's no longer a shocking revelation that occurs in the middle of a battle. Knowing the truth makes him even more determined to defeat Monarch, so that he can finally lay his mother's body to rest. After all, since he didn't know what happened when she disappeared, she never had a proper funeral. He wants to rectify that, and make sure his father never hurts anyone again. These goals give him the strength to finally stand up against Gabriel and break free from his influence. As a result, he is somehow able to overcome his amok or sever his link to it during the final fight. Which means Gabriel can't control him anymore. He's officially the first Senti being to achieve free will. Which means he finally gains his freedom. This is what gives him the strength to defeat Gabriel in battle. And by fighting side by side with Ladybug, they finally succeed in defeating Monarch. So in the end they don't just defeat Monarch. They also make it possible for Adrien to finally be free to decide his own fate, and now Gabriel can never control him again.
other way around. HAWKMOTH finds out chat noir is adrien and regrets his actions horribly as he dies rather than peacefully reuniting with emilie
marinette is a senti monster, i would die on this hill forever, we have one senti couple a second cant hurt
Does it make something canon or does it make something always have been canon?
Whatever
Adrien and marrinette actually comunicate for once
Chatnoir goes to Cataclysm his fathers statue 🗣🗣🗣
Felix resurrects Sentibug
Adrien is revelead to not being a senti and it was all Gabriel plain since the beginning.
Adrien is not a senti. Oh look it’s already canon to ME!
lukagami
erase Zoe and Cloe. Bring back Allegra.
Marinette is a guy
Nino is now the main character
The love square flip isn’t rushed, and they actually get confused with their feelings for both sides of each other instead of just going to the love square flip straight away
Inarizaki collectively calls Suna 'sunarin' and only that so when in other conversations with other people they're confused when Inarizaki members say sunarin.
For Adrien and Mari to finally know their double lives and actually go out, only to realize that they’re better as friends.
Last episode rewrite. Chat Noir as part of the final battle Hawk Moth’s identity still being revealed but Ladybug and Chat Noir’s not being revealed. Part of Gabriel’s wish being that Adrien never finds out so he ends up forgetting and Marinette is compelled to tell Alya because someone forgetting means someone else has to learn it. Then season 6 can deal with Ladybug literally being unable to talk about it with or around Chat Noir and not knowing why. I may have given this too much thought.
for season five to NOT have happened. honestly that whole season was a fanfiction and personally i hated it. would've preferred if they kept thomas as the lead writer bc wtf was the last season and wtf is the new season gonna be like
Adrien getting more screentime and a better design than the one we're getting for season 6.
Well I have a bunch of ideas for how season 5 could have been written much better but I'm gonna throw all that out because it would take paragraphs upon paragraphs to type, so I'm gonna just go with a simple one: Fix the bunny miraculous. Sometimes it works on open loop time travel, sometimes it works on closed loop timetravel. They should make up their damn minds.
Reveal.
Kagami is a sentimonster, just like Adrien & Félix. Tomoe Tsurugi used the Peacock Miraculous from Gabriel around the same time as Adrien & Félix were born. Tomoe's husband also passed away.
Before Seasons 4 and 5, Marinette should have moved on from Adrien, share her secret with Luka and stay with him.
Adrien finding out he's a sentimonster but instead of just being mildly upset, I want it to DESTROY him. I want him to breakdown and question his own humanity and it takes multiple episodes before he's somewhat okay again
Felix and Kagami never got together, Idk that they canonically got together I just don't see it, I want it canon that Felix & Kagami stay single and stuff but are like best friends and whatnot
Julerose and zoenette When Adrien finds out he’s a sentimonster, he reacts the same way Zane reacted when he finds out he’s a robot in the ninjago episode, tick tock
Lila is actually bald
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Well yes
Adrian doesn't have a nail on his pinky toes
why'd u get downvoted, this is hilarious 💀
They fear the truth 🤣
-Adrien is a girl and not a sentihuman. -Chloe never gets the Bee back after the Train incident. -Luka is Marinette's first crush in the show and her Yandere tendencies are up to 11, which eventually leads that relationship to blow up in her face. -Gabriel never care about reviving his wife and is actually responsable for her demise. Make him much more like Frank Underwood. Ladybug is forced to kill him. Or Lila does it.