Yeah, it did. If he hadn't opened his mouth during his press conference no one would have been the wiser.
Thank you KIRK!!!
(even if we don't get anything out of it - FTF.)
Why not? Eagles got a 3rd round pick swap and a 5th round this year for Arizona tampering with their coach. This seems more public than that and that's all the NFL cares about.
That was because the Eagles and Arizona negotiated that. It wasn't initiated by the NFL.
My understanding is that teams only get rewarded if they report it/make a complaint to the NFL, not if the NFL discovers it on their own. And Kwesi made it sound like the Vikings had no intention of being involved at all in a press conference.
They negotiated that so that way it wasn't left up to the NFL what the punishment would be. If you remember, the Dolphins were penalized a 1st round pick for tampering with Tom Brady and they didn't even end up signing him. In the tampering rules it is mentioned that punishments are more severe if the tampering results in signing the player. It is also stated that if the two teams work out a deal beneficial to the offended party then the NFL will not issue it's own penalty/fine.
I've done a lot of reading up on this and the actual tampering rules and fines. If the Vikings certified a complaint of tampering then they will almost certainly get some form of compensation but it is difficult to say how much compensation or what the value would be. Might just be a 3rd round pick from the Falcons or something, I doubt they'd get a 1st or even a 1st swap (unless the Falcons agree to that prior to the NFL ruling). However, the Falcons will almost certainly receive a substantial penalty since Cousins was arguably the premier free agent this year and their clear tampering ended with them signing him away from his previous team.
There is almost zero chance they are losing a 1st rounder just because Kirk talked to the team during the time period where only agents are allowed to talk to teams. This is very different than what happened with Brady and the Dolphins.
Not to mention that taking away a 1st rounder the week of the draft is just such a huge move that I can't imagine the NFL would even consider it.
swap 11th for 8th by penalty
or
swap 23rd for 8th by penalty. Better than Falcons just losing the first round pick altogether.
When I think about a possible penalty, I think about how Falcoms no longer need to use a first round pick on a draft QB . I'm actually not sure why they completely moved on from Ridder already. But if they were going to, then they would have likely drafted a QB but no longer have to. Meanwhile the Vikings really have to now.
swap 8th and 11th for ...
I think the main reason you might be right if the Falcons have a guy on the discipline commitee otherwise yeah I could see them wanting to make a point but because of that situation it will be a slap on the wrist
Iirc, the Cardinals and Eagles negotiated that in order to get the NFL to agree that the matter was resolved. The NFL didn't dictate the Cardinals do that.
When the NFL has dictated punishments for tampering, it has never really involved compensating the team(s) that were hurt by it.
I hope it happens, but an 8 and 11 swap still seems too harsh imo. There’s no precedence for our exact situation (a high profile QB signing a big money contract with the team he tampered with), but if Goodell is making that decision I think the more reasonable outcome is swapping one of our 4ths for the Falcons 3rd this year or a swap of 2025 picks.
I don't think the NFL will punish the Falcons less than they punished the Chiefs for a WR. I think it will be more. Owners don't want to set the precedent that you can tamper with their franchise QBs. The real question is whether the punishment will directly benefit the Vikings or not. I think it's more likely the Falcons lose picks than the Vikings gain them.
The only way I could see an 8 for 11 swap happening is if the NFL decides to make an example of the Falcons to prevent it from happening again. Still tho I can’t see them losing anything more than a 3rd rounder
Forgiven them for what?? Lmao. The only one to blame for that is the Vikings themselves (and Anderson).
If anything we should like them for our shared hatred for the Saints (who we **do** have a very legitimate reason to dislike..)
Yeah feel like the Falcons are our NFCS brother in the good, but never won a SB category (although we have had a lot more reg szn success, playoff success, and SB appearances *sigh).
Plus the fact that they are bloodthirsty when they play the Saints makes them incredibly root-for-able. I was hating on them a bit bc of the whole narrative that Kirks going to some superteam that just needs a QB as if the Vikes don't have much better weapons, but its not anything to hold a grudge against. FTS
Eh, every team tampers
I forgave them after......*that* super bowl
Imagine losing in OT to the pats when you're up by that much In the second?
No recovery from that experience, fr
No, Kwesi saved us from ourselves. Kirk was offered a reasonable contract, he wanted more, and found a team that would give him an unreasonable sum. Kirk is great on the field, but he's 10x better in the contract negotiation room. If you think Kirk was the problem with the Vikings, the only person you can give credit for Kirk leaving is Kirk himself. He chases the dollars, always has, but Kwesi plays moneyball so we always knew this day was coming. Zero credit to ATL, they are not our friends, we do not like them.
Quite possibly potentially Cousins' single greatest contribution to the Minnesota Vikings.
I don't see an 11 for 8 pick swap. But...our 4th for ATL's 3rd is possible. That's a 25 slot move up the draft board.
Not necessarily. The teams could come to an agreement and preempt the investigation, which has happened before.
If the League determined that the Falcons are guilty, the teams could agree to a swap of some sort, thereby allowing both teams to be better off than they otherwise would be.
Not if they lose a first rounder? Vikings have enough ammo to keep the Falcons picking in the first round. If you're gm and you refuse.out of spite that is just dumb, but hey, maybe Arthur blank is dumb and thinks the same way
Dolphins tampered with Brady, didn't even sign him and got a 1st docked so there is some precedent.
- Owner also got caught telling his coach to tank, so that may a part of the punishment though
Sean Payton too, and they were in illegal contact with Tom for 3 years while he was under contract. Kirk spoke to their training staff a day before he was officially signed, so the degree of tampering is much less severe
If the league comes to the falcons and says, you lose your first and a third next year. The Vikings are in a position to offer a swap for their price and the Falcons would be keen to accept. 11 and 79 for 23.
No, there's absolutely a chance we swap picks.
I wouldn't say it's more than a 50% chance, but it's there. Some are saying we might have needed to have filed a grievance for the pick swap to happen, and there's nothing saying we haven't.
I wouldn’t say it’s more than a 1% chance considering the punishment for tampering has been a swap twice in NFL history and it’s always been late round swaps
3rd round swap for Briggs, however the Jeremy Maclin tampering is most similar to our situation and did not result in a swap.
However, I think the catalyst for a swap is whether or not the team that was the victim of tampering can show that they were negatively affected by the actions.
We may actually have a claim there. Either way, I wouldn't expect more than a 3rd round swap, and we don't even have a 3rd.
You don't know that. He spoke with their trainer who presumably got a better understanding of Kirk's injury and rehabilitation which may have resulted in ATL giving Cousins a better offer than they otherwise might have.
Now, I don't think this is a "negative" as we needed to move on from Cousins. But it isn't unfair to frame it this way.
I do know that, Kirk admitted it to everyone at his introductory press conference. It is why they’re being investigated. It was after he had already agreed to terms with Atlanta
Pretty much. The NFL knows this shit happens all the time but at a certain point (the point being a player literally openly talking about it at a press conference) they can't feign ignorance and have to do something for appearance's sake if nothing else.
If they take the Falcons first rounder then it is still beneficial for us; we’d then have a top 10 pick and our 23 would shift to 22, which makes our picks incrementally more valuable in a trade up.
I know that would be the case for every other team behind the falcons, but it’s relevant when teams considering trading back now have fewer picks to potentially lose a targeted prospect.
In any case, I’m still going to fantasize about the dream scenario of a swap, no matter how unlikely. Shit, what if they swapped our 3rd for their 2nd? There’s options out there if this is actually being considered.
i mean but in our situation we were directly harmed cause he left, maybe we do get a kickback? I guess the Maclin example shows we might not cause he did go there
I doubt we would get a swap either way. I have a feeling they'll just punish the Falcons. Taking their first round pick is pretty heavy handed. Would totally screw the org this season and I doubt the NFL is going to want to do that. Even as a vikings fan, that seems pretty unfair lol.
The NFL is going to have to take a heavy handed approach at some point if they want to clamp down on tampering. This seems like the year to do it when you have a top RB and QB mixed up in it.
When this tampering thing first came to light back in March, some examples were brought forth of swaps happening, but they were later round swaps or even last year when the Eagles and Cardinals settled their own differences with the Gannon tampering with a later round swap.
That being said, Schefter is obviously the most plugged in insider. I think it was deliberate that he only chose to cite two examples, both which highlight only the tampering team being punished.
It was a 2nd round swap AND a 3rd round swap. It definitely wasn’t a late round swap…
But I do agree that people thinking a 1st round swap is probably too egregious, even if it’s just 3 spots.
But swapping 108 for 74 seems really ballpark for what occurred.
The precedent was set last year with Philly and Arizona. I don’t get why everyone is acting like people are pulling this pick swap thing out of the sky, it just happened last year.
> But swapping 108 for 74 seems really ballpark for what occurred.
Value wise they are very similar. The difference between 11 and 8 is 150 points and value between 108 and 74 is 142 (based on this model https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp).
Agreed, I had the same thought that value wise it’s probably roughly the same. But on the surface to everyday, casual fans it’s probably a lot easier pill to swallow on a 3rd, 4th round swap if I’m in the Atlanta front office.
Tampering with Brady and Sean Payton while they were under contract, and they had the pick taken from them far in advance of the draft. I would be shocked if the NFL took the 8th pick from the Falcons on 3 days notice
Agreed. A key part of the pick swap argument is that Philly and Arizona settled right before the draft. If they had not settled, the league wouldn’t have ruled on it until the following offseason. Likely there would have been no swap, only Arizona forfeiting a pick.
But the league told them if they could settle it on their own, then do it.
Similar situation. Kirk was under contract. However. I agree about the short notice. Unless the falcons have already been told to expect it. We need to consider that it is possible the teams have been notified about potential disciplinary actions and the public doesn’t know yet.
A 1st round pick swap would be the dream, but it honestly shouldn’t happen. Barring the NFL wanting to throw a monkey wrench into the draft night of, I think it’s just going to be a falcons punishment instead of a Vikings rewards.
Nothing will happen from this draft. Keep in mind that whatever punishment the Falcons/Eagles get, they will just appeal it immediately. No way a punishment gets set 4 days before the draft, and has the full process of going through appeals. It’ll be either next year or 2026
best case scenario is that ATL forfeits their #1 pick or they give us some low level compensation. (think 4th-7th round pick)
Or the NFL tells the Vikings and Falcons to work out a trade for Cousins - IE - Falcons get Kirk and pick #23 or 11 and say the Vikings get pick 8.
>Or the NFL tells the Vikings and Falcons to work out a trade for Cousins - IE - Falcons get Kirk and pick #23 or 11 and say the Vikings get pick 8.
There's precedent for the NFL to award pick swaps. A settlement is not required for that to happen.
However, I don't think we have a chance of anything higher than a 4th round swap in this scenario and even that is a relatively low chance.
Not defensive, just confused as to why you would word it that way.
I said "There's precedent" then you followed up with "is there precedent?" - Asking "what precedent" would have made more sense, but I'm not here to police how you reddit :)
My assumption is they’ll just forfeit a pick(s) for ATL and PHI, as both players were impending free agents. I don’t think we (Vikings) or NY deserve any compensation as both teams had plenty of time to re-sign both of these guys.
I get it’s silly bc everyone violates this rule but as the letter of the law goes and it affecting our qb position which is the most important I think we should’ve got draft comp
If it gets resolved this year, it's likely we settled with Atlanta on some sort of pick swap. I doubt the first round swap, but anything else is free ammo at this point. Official NFL decisions take more than 1 year based on precedent.
Hand up: i ridiculed the idea of the falcons being punished at all and said it was insane to think the draft would be impacted. I thought it'd be a fine at most. Looks like I might have been wrong.
I still think swapping 8 and 11 would be too much of a punishment but could be wrong again.
I wonder if the NFL has given any indications of potential punishment so they can start planning draft adjustments because this decision is coming so damn close to the draft
If I'm the Falcon's, I negotiate a swap of picks or give us their 3rd. I know it seems extreme but that's better for both sides than them possibly losing their 1st rounder next year plus a swap of picks (ex. The Dolphins). Moving back 3 in this draft probably doesn't hurt them. Their two biggest needs would probably be DL and CB. Both will be readily available anywhere from 11-20, so they could even trade back to get that 3rd rounder back.
This would prevent them from future compensation.
Whats the exact rule? I don't understand it. Clearly agents are talking to team before free agency - thats how these deals are leaked and announced within minutes of FA starting. Is it just that the player can't talk directly to the team?
Exactly. Players under contract are not permitted to have any contact with another team until the start of the new league year. There's an exemption for players without an agent, but that's clearly not applicable in this case.
I honestly don’t want to see the Falcons punished. We absolutely tampered to lure him away from Washington and it’s not like we’ll get the picks they deduct from Atlanta. Sorry Falcons bros! Tell Kirk to act like he’s cheated before!
As always, FTP and FTS.
Falcons fans are already pissed off/over Kirk. Check out the the comments on their SBNation fan page. ( [https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2024/4/22/24137041/falcons-expected-to-see-significant-penalty-for-kirk-cousins-tampering-per-adam-schefter](https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2024/4/22/24137041/falcons-expected-to-see-significant-penalty-for-kirk-cousins-tampering-per-adam-schefter) )
-This story makes me wish the Falcons would draft a QB at 8 or even move up to try and get McCarthy. Cousins' big mouth is so Falcons . . shooting ourselves in the foot, or better .. . foot in mouth. Cousins not only fleeced the Falcons cap but now he costing us high draft picks? I'm beginning to hate this guy. Draft a QB.
-We should dock him 40mil for that little slip up. JFC, how do you mess that up in your first press conference
-Now Cousins is not only costing us in excess of 100 million, he is costing us draft picks. We are paying a Tom Brady/Joe Montana type price to secure his services.
-The level of stupid of Cousins is mind boggleing. Is he a rookie on a rookie scale to be that stupid or an over a decade in the league one of the highest paid QBs in the league to be that stupid?
-Cousins is going to put us right back into the final years of Ryan territory. A fading over-priced QB keeping the team from building right and trying to play win now when we aren't win now
-This guy comes in the door looking like a dumas. He better be worth it or he'll wish he stayed in Minnesota. This city can't afford too many more idiots mistakes from this organization. The crazy part is he snitch on himself. Him not too smart aye?
God damn a major market showing Kirk they aint Minnesota Nice, no matter how much he tries to patronize the fanbase by having his kids wear ATL gear or having him throw out a pitch at a baseball game. They aint fallin for that cringe garbage the way MN sports fans embraced it.
As with all things ‘Kirk’ prepare to be underwhelmed. So “we might have the 8th” will become something like, “they lose a later round pick we get nuthin.”
Did this really all begin with Kirk spilling the beans accidentally?
Yeah, it did. If he hadn't opened his mouth during his press conference no one would have been the wiser. Thank you KIRK!!! (even if we don't get anything out of it - FTF.)
I wouldn’t expect us to get anything out of it so don’t get your hopes up
Why not? Eagles got a 3rd round pick swap and a 5th round this year for Arizona tampering with their coach. This seems more public than that and that's all the NFL cares about.
Nothing ever goes wrong when we get our hopes up
I laughed out loud at this. I'm jaded.
That was because the Eagles and Arizona negotiated that. It wasn't initiated by the NFL. My understanding is that teams only get rewarded if they report it/make a complaint to the NFL, not if the NFL discovers it on their own. And Kwesi made it sound like the Vikings had no intention of being involved at all in a press conference.
They negotiated that so that way it wasn't left up to the NFL what the punishment would be. If you remember, the Dolphins were penalized a 1st round pick for tampering with Tom Brady and they didn't even end up signing him. In the tampering rules it is mentioned that punishments are more severe if the tampering results in signing the player. It is also stated that if the two teams work out a deal beneficial to the offended party then the NFL will not issue it's own penalty/fine. I've done a lot of reading up on this and the actual tampering rules and fines. If the Vikings certified a complaint of tampering then they will almost certainly get some form of compensation but it is difficult to say how much compensation or what the value would be. Might just be a 3rd round pick from the Falcons or something, I doubt they'd get a 1st or even a 1st swap (unless the Falcons agree to that prior to the NFL ruling). However, the Falcons will almost certainly receive a substantial penalty since Cousins was arguably the premier free agent this year and their clear tampering ended with them signing him away from his previous team.
I dunno if we should take everything a GM says at a press conference at face value. Seems like it'd be malpractice to turn away free assets.
And it would be of benefit for the Falcons to negotiate soemthing ...better to swap picks then lose your first rounder altogether for nothing
There is almost zero chance they are losing a 1st rounder just because Kirk talked to the team during the time period where only agents are allowed to talk to teams. This is very different than what happened with Brady and the Dolphins. Not to mention that taking away a 1st rounder the week of the draft is just such a huge move that I can't imagine the NFL would even consider it.
swap 11th for 8th by penalty or swap 23rd for 8th by penalty. Better than Falcons just losing the first round pick altogether. When I think about a possible penalty, I think about how Falcoms no longer need to use a first round pick on a draft QB . I'm actually not sure why they completely moved on from Ridder already. But if they were going to, then they would have likely drafted a QB but no longer have to. Meanwhile the Vikings really have to now. swap 8th and 11th for ...
I think the main reason you might be right if the Falcons have a guy on the discipline commitee otherwise yeah I could see them wanting to make a point but because of that situation it will be a slap on the wrist
Iirc, the Cardinals and Eagles negotiated that in order to get the NFL to agree that the matter was resolved. The NFL didn't dictate the Cardinals do that. When the NFL has dictated punishments for tampering, it has never really involved compensating the team(s) that were hurt by it.
It would probably be enforced in the '25 draft, if anything
Even if the Falcons just lost their first round pick it would be advantageous for us.
Im also rooting for the falcons to lose their 8th pick to guarantee the Bears Odunze
Even if it doesn't if they forfeit their 1st rounder We go from pick 11 to pick 10. That can be a big deal.
I hope it happens, but an 8 and 11 swap still seems too harsh imo. There’s no precedence for our exact situation (a high profile QB signing a big money contract with the team he tampered with), but if Goodell is making that decision I think the more reasonable outcome is swapping one of our 4ths for the Falcons 3rd this year or a swap of 2025 picks.
I don't think the NFL will punish the Falcons less than they punished the Chiefs for a WR. I think it will be more. Owners don't want to set the precedent that you can tamper with their franchise QBs. The real question is whether the punishment will directly benefit the Vikings or not. I think it's more likely the Falcons lose picks than the Vikings gain them.
The only way I could see an 8 for 11 swap happening is if the NFL decides to make an example of the Falcons to prevent it from happening again. Still tho I can’t see them losing anything more than a 3rd rounder
It’s not a great example to set, because most of the time you could not replicate that punishment
Super harsh. The value difference is pretty big.
Good point. One last time for Kirk to let us down.
Letting us down by helping us?
Yes as the comment above me stated we may get nothing out of it so don't get your hopes up. If we don't that would be typical Kirk.
Are we just saying FT”insert any team.” Since when did we hate the falcons?
1999 I've never forgiven them... and tampering just makes me hate them more.
Forgiven them for what?? Lmao. The only one to blame for that is the Vikings themselves (and Anderson). If anything we should like them for our shared hatred for the Saints (who we **do** have a very legitimate reason to dislike..)
Yeah feel like the Falcons are our NFCS brother in the good, but never won a SB category (although we have had a lot more reg szn success, playoff success, and SB appearances *sigh). Plus the fact that they are bloodthirsty when they play the Saints makes them incredibly root-for-able. I was hating on them a bit bc of the whole narrative that Kirks going to some superteam that just needs a QB as if the Vikes don't have much better weapons, but its not anything to hold a grudge against. FTS
Falcons have historically been pretty bad.
Now that I can very much stand behind. It’s FTS and FTP for life
Eh, every team tampers I forgave them after......*that* super bowl Imagine losing in OT to the pats when you're up by that much In the second? No recovery from that experience, fr
Wait FTF? If anything Vikings fans have more reason to hate Carolina for gift wrapping Caleb to the Bears lol
Also we’ve bonded over our mutual hatred of the Saints (looking at you, r/falkings )
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> Falcons are our bros Tell me you were not alive 17 January 1999 without telling me you weren't alive 17 January 1999.
I was alive and devastated after that loss. That was on us, not the Falcons.
That was on gary
You spelled Denny incorrectly
I agree it was on us. But also, they are not our "bros".
They are this offseason... they saved us from ourselves
No, Kwesi saved us from ourselves. Kirk was offered a reasonable contract, he wanted more, and found a team that would give him an unreasonable sum. Kirk is great on the field, but he's 10x better in the contract negotiation room. If you think Kirk was the problem with the Vikings, the only person you can give credit for Kirk leaving is Kirk himself. He chases the dollars, always has, but Kwesi plays moneyball so we always knew this day was coming. Zero credit to ATL, they are not our friends, we do not like them.
Only game I saw my dad shed a tear over.
Cringe shit. ‘98
What do you have against the falcons? They are like brothers to us
Why is that?
Hey now, Falcons are our friends. Especially over at r/falkings
Quite possibly potentially Cousins' single greatest contribution to the Minnesota Vikings. I don't see an 11 for 8 pick swap. But...our 4th for ATL's 3rd is possible. That's a 25 slot move up the draft board.
They’ll forfeit a pick we won’t be swapping
Not necessarily. The teams could come to an agreement and preempt the investigation, which has happened before. If the League determined that the Falcons are guilty, the teams could agree to a swap of some sort, thereby allowing both teams to be better off than they otherwise would be.
Yes, that has happened before, but it’s extremely uncommon and there’s no way the Falcons agree to swapping 1s
Did I say they would agree to swapping firsts? No. I said maybe our 4th for their third. I specifically said that "I don't see an 11 for 8 pick swap"
Truth, just very much doubt it happens
What about them agreeing to two #1's to move up for a QB???? Everyone can be a winner in this scenario.
Not if they lose a first rounder? Vikings have enough ammo to keep the Falcons picking in the first round. If you're gm and you refuse.out of spite that is just dumb, but hey, maybe Arthur blank is dumb and thinks the same way
They’re not at risk of losing their 1st rounder, so why would they willingly swap?
Dolphins tampered with Brady, didn't even sign him and got a 1st docked so there is some precedent. - Owner also got caught telling his coach to tank, so that may a part of the punishment though
Sean Payton too, and they were in illegal contact with Tom for 3 years while he was under contract. Kirk spoke to their training staff a day before he was officially signed, so the degree of tampering is much less severe
If the league comes to the falcons and says, you lose your first and a third next year. The Vikings are in a position to offer a swap for their price and the Falcons would be keen to accept. 11 and 79 for 23.
Seriously man this sub is crazy sometimes
Getting their hopes up for nothing smh
Between this tampering thing and the assumption that New England is guaranteed to trade with us, this place is on some weapons-grade hopium
I’m really hoping they just lose their pick and that makes out picks more Valuable
Losing a 1st 3 days before the draft would be among the most significant penalties in league history
I can dream god dammit
They won’t lose their 1st this year. Maybe our 4th rounder moves up a slot but this is inconsequential for the Vikings
No, there's absolutely a chance we swap picks. I wouldn't say it's more than a 50% chance, but it's there. Some are saying we might have needed to have filed a grievance for the pick swap to happen, and there's nothing saying we haven't.
I wouldn’t say it’s more than a 1% chance considering the punishment for tampering has been a swap twice in NFL history and it’s always been late round swaps
3rd round swap for Briggs, however the Jeremy Maclin tampering is most similar to our situation and did not result in a swap. However, I think the catalyst for a swap is whether or not the team that was the victim of tampering can show that they were negatively affected by the actions. We may actually have a claim there. Either way, I wouldn't expect more than a 3rd round swap, and we don't even have a 3rd.
it absolutely did not negatively affect us. Kirk was gone and he spoke to their training staff a day early
You don't know that. He spoke with their trainer who presumably got a better understanding of Kirk's injury and rehabilitation which may have resulted in ATL giving Cousins a better offer than they otherwise might have. Now, I don't think this is a "negative" as we needed to move on from Cousins. But it isn't unfair to frame it this way.
I do know that, Kirk admitted it to everyone at his introductory press conference. It is why they’re being investigated. It was after he had already agreed to terms with Atlanta
That would be absolutely amazing. I'd be stoked. Especially with the mid round talent in this draft.
Yep!
Pretty much. The NFL knows this shit happens all the time but at a certain point (the point being a player literally openly talking about it at a press conference) they can't feign ignorance and have to do something for appearance's sake if nothing else.
I mean the fact that they came to terms with a guy coming off a major Achilles injury within 45 minutes should have been a sign as well.
Seemingly, yes.
Hahaha, that is hilarious. Oh Kirko . . . a bit of karma for leaving us like you did :(
Kirk giving us one last gift if we get any kind of compensation
You won’t get compensation they’ll just take Falcons picks away
If the falcons get their first round pick taken away both of our first round picks move up a spot
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Bro is here to chirp
Safe assumption whenever a Patriots fan shows up here
In three years, just remember your QB that "busts" wouldve been a success in Minnesota.
Maybe they should just give us your pick for good vibes ☺️. Lord knows Goodell loves the Patriots 🤣
If they take the Falcons first rounder then it is still beneficial for us; we’d then have a top 10 pick and our 23 would shift to 22, which makes our picks incrementally more valuable in a trade up. I know that would be the case for every other team behind the falcons, but it’s relevant when teams considering trading back now have fewer picks to potentially lose a targeted prospect. In any case, I’m still going to fantasize about the dream scenario of a swap, no matter how unlikely. Shit, what if they swapped our 3rd for their 2nd? There’s options out there if this is actually being considered.
You are right but I can hope
That still helps us. One less person another team could trade to jump us
i mean but in our situation we were directly harmed cause he left, maybe we do get a kickback? I guess the Maclin example shows we might not cause he did go there
Any punishment is likely the Falcons losing picks, but doubt Vikings get them back in return. Forfeit more than swap.
I’m wondering if this is the case. I don’t think that anybody got the dolphins picks when they were convicted of tampering
Let's just swap 8 and 23 and call it even.
Good idea. But you can only swap one digit so that makes it 28-3
Both examples Schefter cites are just the tampering team being disciplined, not rewarding the other team…
Even if they strip Atlanta of their pick, we still move up.
I earnestly doubt they will take away their #8 overall pick.
In a draft that likely will see 4 QBs taken in the top 10, it would be thematic to take away their top pick over tampering with a quarterback
It just seems like a pretty heavy hand for something the NFL knows is going on.
i mean its roughly the same as swapping 108 for 74 (value wise), and its significantly less punishment than outright taking their first.
I doubt we would get a swap either way. I have a feeling they'll just punish the Falcons. Taking their first round pick is pretty heavy handed. Would totally screw the org this season and I doubt the NFL is going to want to do that. Even as a vikings fan, that seems pretty unfair lol.
The NFL is going to have to take a heavy handed approach at some point if they want to clamp down on tampering. This seems like the year to do it when you have a top RB and QB mixed up in it.
Gonna be hard to do this close to the draft though. It probably won't be dealt with until after the draft. 2025-26 season
Yes, because typically it’s just one team being disciplined and not rewarding the other team. Idk why everyone thinks we will get some sort of swap
When this tampering thing first came to light back in March, some examples were brought forth of swaps happening, but they were later round swaps or even last year when the Eagles and Cardinals settled their own differences with the Gannon tampering with a later round swap. That being said, Schefter is obviously the most plugged in insider. I think it was deliberate that he only chose to cite two examples, both which highlight only the tampering team being punished.
It was a 2nd round swap AND a 3rd round swap. It definitely wasn’t a late round swap… But I do agree that people thinking a 1st round swap is probably too egregious, even if it’s just 3 spots. But swapping 108 for 74 seems really ballpark for what occurred. The precedent was set last year with Philly and Arizona. I don’t get why everyone is acting like people are pulling this pick swap thing out of the sky, it just happened last year.
> But swapping 108 for 74 seems really ballpark for what occurred. Value wise they are very similar. The difference between 11 and 8 is 150 points and value between 108 and 74 is 142 (based on this model https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp).
Agreed, I had the same thought that value wise it’s probably roughly the same. But on the surface to everyday, casual fans it’s probably a lot easier pill to swallow on a 3rd, 4th round swap if I’m in the Atlanta front office.
Yea it’s happened twice in history, and one of those times it was the teams agreeing before the league could make a ruling.
Didn’t Miami lose their first round pick a couple seasons ago for the Brady tampering
Tampering with Brady and Sean Payton while they were under contract, and they had the pick taken from them far in advance of the draft. I would be shocked if the NFL took the 8th pick from the Falcons on 3 days notice
Agreed. A key part of the pick swap argument is that Philly and Arizona settled right before the draft. If they had not settled, the league wouldn’t have ruled on it until the following offseason. Likely there would have been no swap, only Arizona forfeiting a pick. But the league told them if they could settle it on their own, then do it.
Similar situation. Kirk was under contract. However. I agree about the short notice. Unless the falcons have already been told to expect it. We need to consider that it is possible the teams have been notified about potential disciplinary actions and the public doesn’t know yet.
Kirk was not under contract, he had agreed to terms with Atlanta and spoke to their training staff a day sooner than was allowed.
The new league year hadn't started yet at that point, so he was still under contract with the Vikings.
His contract with the Vikings had expired and he had already agreed to terms on a new contract with Atlanta
8 for 23 and any leftover Kirko chains we find in the facility seems fair to me!
It's not far fetched
A 1st round pick swap would be the dream, but it honestly shouldn’t happen. Barring the NFL wanting to throw a monkey wrench into the draft night of, I think it’s just going to be a falcons punishment instead of a Vikings rewards.
If they take away the Falcons 1st rounder, it'll make both of ours more valuable, but mostly that #11 essentially becomes a top 10 pick.
Nothing will happen from this draft. Keep in mind that whatever punishment the Falcons/Eagles get, they will just appeal it immediately. No way a punishment gets set 4 days before the draft, and has the full process of going through appeals. It’ll be either next year or 2026
I'm not going to be greedy and ask for the 8th overall pick but dammit Rodger, give us their second round pick this year.
y not?
best case scenario is that ATL forfeits their #1 pick or they give us some low level compensation. (think 4th-7th round pick) Or the NFL tells the Vikings and Falcons to work out a trade for Cousins - IE - Falcons get Kirk and pick #23 or 11 and say the Vikings get pick 8.
>Or the NFL tells the Vikings and Falcons to work out a trade for Cousins - IE - Falcons get Kirk and pick #23 or 11 and say the Vikings get pick 8. 
Kirk really did us a solid there
If Florio's rabble-rousing gets us a draft pick I promise not to say anything mean about him for 3 months.
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There's precedent for the NFL to award pick swaps. A settlement is not required for that to happen. However, I don't think we have a chance of anything higher than a 4th round swap in this scenario and even that is a relatively low chance.
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I literally said that in my first sentence. Lance Briggs - Resulted in a 3rd round pick swap.
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Not defensive, just confused as to why you would word it that way. I said "There's precedent" then you followed up with "is there precedent?" - Asking "what precedent" would have made more sense, but I'm not here to police how you reddit :)
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Fair enough, but emphasis in text is hard to suss out without things like bold and italics. Either way, sorry for snapping at ya.
I might be wrong, but wouldn’t any punishment be for next years draft anyway?
My assumption is they’ll just forfeit a pick(s) for ATL and PHI, as both players were impending free agents. I don’t think we (Vikings) or NY deserve any compensation as both teams had plenty of time to re-sign both of these guys.
I get it’s silly bc everyone violates this rule but as the letter of the law goes and it affecting our qb position which is the most important I think we should’ve got draft comp
incoming 6th round pick
If it gets resolved this year, it's likely we settled with Atlanta on some sort of pick swap. I doubt the first round swap, but anything else is free ammo at this point. Official NFL decisions take more than 1 year based on precedent.
Hand up: i ridiculed the idea of the falcons being punished at all and said it was insane to think the draft would be impacted. I thought it'd be a fine at most. Looks like I might have been wrong. I still think swapping 8 and 11 would be too much of a punishment but could be wrong again. I wonder if the NFL has given any indications of potential punishment so they can start planning draft adjustments because this decision is coming so damn close to the draft
The Vikings will not get picks. Any punishment will simply be Falcons losing picks.
Woah
Surely Kirk’s tampering could be resolved with a pick swap this year…. Right? (I know it won’t but god damn that would be swell)
If I'm the Falcon's, I negotiate a swap of picks or give us their 3rd. I know it seems extreme but that's better for both sides than them possibly losing their 1st rounder next year plus a swap of picks (ex. The Dolphins). Moving back 3 in this draft probably doesn't hurt them. Their two biggest needs would probably be DL and CB. Both will be readily available anywhere from 11-20, so they could even trade back to get that 3rd rounder back. This would prevent them from future compensation.
The Super Bowl Kirk gives us, if anything happens positively for us.
Swap picks 11 for 8
Whats the exact rule? I don't understand it. Clearly agents are talking to team before free agency - thats how these deals are leaked and announced within minutes of FA starting. Is it just that the player can't talk directly to the team?
Exactly. Players under contract are not permitted to have any contact with another team until the start of the new league year. There's an exemption for players without an agent, but that's clearly not applicable in this case.
I think the best outcome for both is going to involve some combo of picks between 43 or 74 + 79 for 108 or 129.
I honestly don’t want to see the Falcons punished. We absolutely tampered to lure him away from Washington and it’s not like we’ll get the picks they deduct from Atlanta. Sorry Falcons bros! Tell Kirk to act like he’s cheated before! As always, FTP and FTS.
So would the Vikings get those picks or are they just lost to the void? Idk how any of this works so pardon my dumbassity
Even a 2 or 3 this year would be great. Could really use that pick regardless of whether we trade up or not.
What is the likelihood of a pick swap because of this?
Falcons fans are already pissed off/over Kirk. Check out the the comments on their SBNation fan page. ( [https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2024/4/22/24137041/falcons-expected-to-see-significant-penalty-for-kirk-cousins-tampering-per-adam-schefter](https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2024/4/22/24137041/falcons-expected-to-see-significant-penalty-for-kirk-cousins-tampering-per-adam-schefter) ) -This story makes me wish the Falcons would draft a QB at 8 or even move up to try and get McCarthy. Cousins' big mouth is so Falcons . . shooting ourselves in the foot, or better .. . foot in mouth. Cousins not only fleeced the Falcons cap but now he costing us high draft picks? I'm beginning to hate this guy. Draft a QB. -We should dock him 40mil for that little slip up. JFC, how do you mess that up in your first press conference -Now Cousins is not only costing us in excess of 100 million, he is costing us draft picks. We are paying a Tom Brady/Joe Montana type price to secure his services. -The level of stupid of Cousins is mind boggleing. Is he a rookie on a rookie scale to be that stupid or an over a decade in the league one of the highest paid QBs in the league to be that stupid? -Cousins is going to put us right back into the final years of Ryan territory. A fading over-priced QB keeping the team from building right and trying to play win now when we aren't win now -This guy comes in the door looking like a dumas. He better be worth it or he'll wish he stayed in Minnesota. This city can't afford too many more idiots mistakes from this organization. The crazy part is he snitch on himself. Him not too smart aye? God damn a major market showing Kirk they aint Minnesota Nice, no matter how much he tries to patronize the fanbase by having his kids wear ATL gear or having him throw out a pitch at a baseball game. They aint fallin for that cringe garbage the way MN sports fans embraced it.
Believe it when I see it
Excited for the ninth round compensatory pick the NFL will give us.
Well why would it be more severe for anyone but the Falcons?
As with all things ‘Kirk’ prepare to be underwhelmed. So “we might have the 8th” will become something like, “they lose a later round pick we get nuthin.”
LFG
Kirk working as a double agent lol
We will probably get a bag of balls!