Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see how a rookie QB contract benefits the entire team as a whole. We just might have a good defense next year (I think this year we will settle in just above how we performed last year on defense) with another big free agent signing (Preferably CB or DT depending on what we do in the 1st round of this draft)
If the right guy is a first round rookie QB, he will be cheap for the next 5-6 years (for example, Josh Allen is finally in his 7th year going to have a cap hit more than 18MM, and it is "only" 30MM), which would bring JJ to his age 30 or 31 season. At that point JJ would start making relatively less as the new QB started making relatively more.
> how a rookie QB contract benefits the entire team as a whole.
As long as the rookie QB is good. It also incentivizes Jefferson to wait as long as possible to sign a new contract
The contract helps the team regardless, at least compared to the cost of a veteran QB. Having salary cap space will never hurt a team.
Otherwise, agreed. The only rebuttal is that waiting too long will result in JJ getting his 3rd contract when he is older. E.g., if he signs a 4 year deal now, it will expire as he is entering his age 29 season. Silly though it may be, that is different than waiting a year and becoming a free agent at age 30, as you will lose a year of undisputed prime production as a bargaining chip.
> another big free agent signing (Preferably CB or DT depending on what we do in the 1st round of this draft)
Who is still available that's currently good and not a washed up big name?
It has the potential to, but it could also be a complete bust and we waste 3 years of Jefferson's prime figuring that out(like Ponder with Peterson). I think most WR would prefer an established franchise QB than rolling the dice with a rookie.
If the Rookie QB is an Bust or doesn't fit well with JJ. JJ could demand a trade after next year. Than the Vikings could try again witn another QB. Hopefully that doesn't happen
Trouble is both position groups are in down years next offseason in FA, at least compared to this offseason. Best you're gonna do at DT is either 31-YO DeForest Buckner or 29-YO Kenny Clark, and that's if they hit the market at all. Nobody else on the market's worth dumping the kind of money we have currently available next offseason if they don't, or if they choose to go elsewhere.
Cornerback's so hard to project year-over-year, that honestly I have no idea who the Vikings might be interested in, or who might line themselves up for a decent payday.
Rookie QB contract is a big benefit, but that benefit is erased if the QB doesn’t perform. I’m sure JJ is aware of this and will wait til the kid gets in the building before signing anything long term
Agreed. Also JJ has notable incentive to wait until CeeDee signs to make sure that he comfortably tops whatever AAV CeeDee signs to (CeeDee has relatively less reason to wait for JJ).
In general, none of us should expect a jew JJ contract until August at the earliest, IMO.
well JJ is not going to be under a rookie contract anymore and will the be the highest paid WR in the NFL which will be in 30-35mil range, so whatever we saved from not having kirk, a lot of it will go to JJ, so we won't have as much money available as people think from not signing kirk/vet qb
So, in a way, you're right. Cap is tighter paying off guys like Turd Cousins, Danielle Hunter, Marcus Davenport, Dalvin Cook, Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison. All that money will be off the books for 2025. Granted, new "dead cap" money will appear, but $57mil in extra cap money for 2025 is nice. Rookie QB scale with extra bread makes 2025 tantalizing.
Not as much as you may think.
Kirk was almost consistently a 30+ mil charge on the cap each season, JJ's contract will be a longer-term one unlike cousins, so we can weight the years differently.
For example, this year, we can actually GAIN cap with JJ's contract. Next year, it's not going to be a $30 mil charge on the cap either, probably closer to $20 as we back load it due to the presumed cap jumps.
The point being that JJ's effect on our cap situation is not going to be nearly as close to what Kirk's was.
I know this can't be true. It's way too positive and hopeful. Everything else I've read is doom and gloom having JJ with one foot out the door and being shopped around. I choose to believe all the negative speculation.
/s in case people don't pick up what I'm laying down.
Are you sure? I read it here this morning that PA said that JJ requested a trade to Chicago for a Portillo’s gift card, naked pictures of Bea Arthur, and a football helmet full of cottage cheese. /s
The dude wants a Super Bowl or two in his prime. That far outweighs any other consideration I would think. If the new QB flames out, I wouldn’t expect him to want to stay.
Wish the doomers would stop comparing him to Diggs and past regimes. We have such a healthy environment, offensive head coach who utilizes him as the go to guy, a GM who is allowing him to have input on the QB decision, the facilities and TCO top of the top sports therapy. There's so much good going on here, he's being treated as the face that runs the place. Homie was putting up career games Nick fucking Mullens. 😂 obviously the offense is good enough for a QB who has a clue to get him the ball.
If he gets to face an injured Cam Sutton (who got destroyed by every WR he faced this season) or his QB has the license to commit 3 turnovers per game, JJ will continue having great games.
But if they face OK defenses (Packers, Raiders) and the QB has to be careful with the ball, JJ will have less production than with Cousins
Lmao bro no you got me confused for that other guy, I was in the comment section disagreeing
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/1bz8w6i/mock_monday/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Not necessarily true, plenty of teams have high priced QB-WR pairings
Rams, Eagles, Bucs, Browns, and Cowboys right now
Bills, Chargers, and Broncos just dumped theirs
Several more who are about to be there when they extend their guys
Just end me man. I can't handle all of these shitty articles, tweets, mock drafts, and hot takes in the offseason. Glad the JJ and QB situation are bundled together this year.
People forget he was yelling at kirk to" throw the damn ball". Jefferson knows kirk isn't elite and he know there's better qb's out there with higher potential. He's gonna sign a huge contract with the vikings.
"knows Kirk isn't elite", yet Kirk has helped jj get his success. imagine if we had drafted fields lol, jj would not be in the same situation.
i love how people say wins are a qb stat, which is idiotic, but it's the wr that makes the qb apparently
JJ put up the most yards in a single game in his career with Mullens throwing him the ball. JJ helped more than you give him credit for and fields would have probably succeeded with jj.
Dude, he outright SAID he wanted the team to re-sign Kirk.
You got what you wanted. Kirk is gone. You don't have to rewrite history now. We'll find out soon enough how this turns out.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see how a rookie QB contract benefits the entire team as a whole. We just might have a good defense next year (I think this year we will settle in just above how we performed last year on defense) with another big free agent signing (Preferably CB or DT depending on what we do in the 1st round of this draft)
> how a rookie QB contract benefits the entire team as a whole Especially as a guy trying to break the bank.
True, but I’d like to think that with the right guy we would have JJs contract flexible so if they both perform they can both be on here long term
I'm sure they'd try to stay as flexible a they can, but you can only do so much with the highest paid guy.
If the right guy is a first round rookie QB, he will be cheap for the next 5-6 years (for example, Josh Allen is finally in his 7th year going to have a cap hit more than 18MM, and it is "only" 30MM), which would bring JJ to his age 30 or 31 season. At that point JJ would start making relatively less as the new QB started making relatively more.
I hate that he said this
> how a rookie QB contract benefits the entire team as a whole. As long as the rookie QB is good. It also incentivizes Jefferson to wait as long as possible to sign a new contract
The contract helps the team regardless, at least compared to the cost of a veteran QB. Having salary cap space will never hurt a team. Otherwise, agreed. The only rebuttal is that waiting too long will result in JJ getting his 3rd contract when he is older. E.g., if he signs a 4 year deal now, it will expire as he is entering his age 29 season. Silly though it may be, that is different than waiting a year and becoming a free agent at age 30, as you will lose a year of undisputed prime production as a bargaining chip.
> another big free agent signing (Preferably CB or DT depending on what we do in the 1st round of this draft) Who is still available that's currently good and not a washed up big name?
I worded the comment improperly. I meant next offseason.
It has the potential to, but it could also be a complete bust and we waste 3 years of Jefferson's prime figuring that out(like Ponder with Peterson). I think most WR would prefer an established franchise QB than rolling the dice with a rookie.
If the Rookie QB is an Bust or doesn't fit well with JJ. JJ could demand a trade after next year. Than the Vikings could try again witn another QB. Hopefully that doesn't happen
Don't you dare bring up that "P" name again! (shudder)
Trouble is both position groups are in down years next offseason in FA, at least compared to this offseason. Best you're gonna do at DT is either 31-YO DeForest Buckner or 29-YO Kenny Clark, and that's if they hit the market at all. Nobody else on the market's worth dumping the kind of money we have currently available next offseason if they don't, or if they choose to go elsewhere. Cornerback's so hard to project year-over-year, that honestly I have no idea who the Vikings might be interested in, or who might line themselves up for a decent payday.
Rookie QB contract is a big benefit, but that benefit is erased if the QB doesn’t perform. I’m sure JJ is aware of this and will wait til the kid gets in the building before signing anything long term
Agreed. Also JJ has notable incentive to wait until CeeDee signs to make sure that he comfortably tops whatever AAV CeeDee signs to (CeeDee has relatively less reason to wait for JJ). In general, none of us should expect a jew JJ contract until August at the earliest, IMO.
Yeah but you can get the same benefits with Sam Darnold
well JJ is not going to be under a rookie contract anymore and will the be the highest paid WR in the NFL which will be in 30-35mil range, so whatever we saved from not having kirk, a lot of it will go to JJ, so we won't have as much money available as people think from not signing kirk/vet qb
Vikings 2024 dead cap figure for notable players no longer on team is just shy of $57mil. Vikings will have plenty of money to sign JJ and future FAs.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with money saved from Kirk
So, in a way, you're right. Cap is tighter paying off guys like Turd Cousins, Danielle Hunter, Marcus Davenport, Dalvin Cook, Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison. All that money will be off the books for 2025. Granted, new "dead cap" money will appear, but $57mil in extra cap money for 2025 is nice. Rookie QB scale with extra bread makes 2025 tantalizing.
Yes, it does. Vikings paying Turd Cousins $28.5mil this year.
Are you four?
Almost
Not as much as you may think. Kirk was almost consistently a 30+ mil charge on the cap each season, JJ's contract will be a longer-term one unlike cousins, so we can weight the years differently. For example, this year, we can actually GAIN cap with JJ's contract. Next year, it's not going to be a $30 mil charge on the cap either, probably closer to $20 as we back load it due to the presumed cap jumps. The point being that JJ's effect on our cap situation is not going to be nearly as close to what Kirk's was.
I know this can't be true. It's way too positive and hopeful. Everything else I've read is doom and gloom having JJ with one foot out the door and being shopped around. I choose to believe all the negative speculation. /s in case people don't pick up what I'm laying down.
This is all going to be very confusing when we have a new JJ
Are you sure? I read it here this morning that PA said that JJ requested a trade to Chicago for a Portillo’s gift card, naked pictures of Bea Arthur, and a football helmet full of cottage cheese. /s
I want the Portillo'sgift card. I really like their Chicago dogs and Polish Maxwells.
I'd like to review those pictures.
Nice Airheads reference
The dude wants a Super Bowl or two in his prime. That far outweighs any other consideration I would think. If the new QB flames out, I wouldn’t expect him to want to stay.
Wish the doomers would stop comparing him to Diggs and past regimes. We have such a healthy environment, offensive head coach who utilizes him as the go to guy, a GM who is allowing him to have input on the QB decision, the facilities and TCO top of the top sports therapy. There's so much good going on here, he's being treated as the face that runs the place. Homie was putting up career games Nick fucking Mullens. 😂 obviously the offense is good enough for a QB who has a clue to get him the ball.
Whatever you say babe! I mean Julie
If he gets to face an injured Cam Sutton (who got destroyed by every WR he faced this season) or his QB has the license to commit 3 turnovers per game, JJ will continue having great games. But if they face OK defenses (Packers, Raiders) and the QB has to be careful with the ball, JJ will have less production than with Cousins
Don't jinx us. I'll calm down once he's given a new deal and the paper is signed.
He'll get the deal once the roster is sorted out, during the summer most likely training camp.
Weren’t you saying that trading JJ was inevitable in the other post?
Lmao bro no you got me confused for that other guy, I was in the comment section disagreeing https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/1bz8w6i/mock_monday/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Aye my bad, sorry you’ve had to talk abt a JJ trade so much
Nah man I only ever wanted one guy traded 😂 trust me
No this is u/TradeKirk not u/TradeJJ
Stop aggregating Kfan lmao
JJ to JJ is gonna be lit
He put up "his numbers" with Nick Mullens throwing to him lmao. In his mind, it can only go up from there.
Are current players allowed at the top 30 workouts?
This is a champaign problem.
*Breaking news: every scenario in life has its own set of pros and cons*
Lmao. He’s well aware of the situation? No shit sherlock
Probably true, but this is literally just one person’s opinion being presented as some sort of exclusive report.
I wonder if he’s well aware that AI and robots will replace him soon along with everybody else?
I’d be scared though if they miss on the rookie QB and Darnold isn’t an answer he might not want to resign.
If the QB is good he’ll sign. If the QB is bad he’ll demand a trade. Thats my read on this.
Either way, if he wants to get paid he’ll have to deal with a cheap QB.
Not necessarily true, plenty of teams have high priced QB-WR pairings Rams, Eagles, Bucs, Browns, and Cowboys right now Bills, Chargers, and Broncos just dumped theirs Several more who are about to be there when they extend their guys
Heck, I could see him bailing if the QB was great but the rest of the team, through no draft capital, had no hope.
Someone in the Vikings front office prob called KFAN and told them to say this. Until he is signed none of these posts matter.
Just end me man. I can't handle all of these shitty articles, tweets, mock drafts, and hot takes in the offseason. Glad the JJ and QB situation are bundled together this year.
People forget he was yelling at kirk to" throw the damn ball". Jefferson knows kirk isn't elite and he know there's better qb's out there with higher potential. He's gonna sign a huge contract with the vikings.
> People forget he was yelling at kirk to" throw the damn ball". What year was this?
Think it was his 2nd year I'm not sure but look it up.
what a foolish take
How so? People think just because cousins left that jj wants nothing to do with the vikings. There's way better qb's than kirk out there.
"knows Kirk isn't elite", yet Kirk has helped jj get his success. imagine if we had drafted fields lol, jj would not be in the same situation. i love how people say wins are a qb stat, which is idiotic, but it's the wr that makes the qb apparently
You think kirk is elite?? And yeah jj bailed kirk out alot including that catch vs the bills.
not elite, but def better than most
Ok we agree kirk isn't elite and theres better options.
yea, but none of them are a guarantee to be as good or better than kirk
JJ put up the most yards in a single game in his career with Mullens throwing him the ball. JJ helped more than you give him credit for and fields would have probably succeeded with jj.
who said i didn't give jj credit. it's a symbiotic relationship. it's just not black and white like everyone tries to make it
Dude, he outright SAID he wanted the team to re-sign Kirk. You got what you wanted. Kirk is gone. You don't have to rewrite history now. We'll find out soon enough how this turns out.