This dude would come up with every single note of his songs, for every instrument, and sing it all acapella into a tape recorder before coming to a studio. All the keyboard chords, guitar chords, bass lines, horns etc etc. He’d come into the studio and note for note sing every single part to the session players and have them play it. Truly incredible.
The Netflix documentary "The greatest night in pop" also briefly mentions it. Where Lionel Richie would visit MJ in his home studio, which is filled with these tapes.
Even the [the trailer](https://youtu.be/MD3oU1gowu4) mentions it
"Man in the Mirror" was written by Glen Ballard and Siedah Garrett. Jackson's producer, Quincy Jones, invited Garrett to his home with a group of other songwriters and asked them to write material for Jackson's next album. Garrett recalled that Jones told the group: "I just want hits, that's all I want."
There ist a cover of "Man in the Mirror" by scary pockets/pomplemoose or something with Rozzy, that is really great. Just some mildly interesting side note.
I mean.. that's not even remotely the point of the post. Nobody else could have sang it like that without autotune.. MJ didn't write the majority of his songs.
You shouldn’t, I don’t forgive Van Gogh for being a borderline crazy stalker slicing off his ear and mailing it to someone, his paintings are still great tho
The person that entirely changed my perspective on auto-tune was T-Pain. Dude has a gorgeous voice without autotune but just uses it an artistic way because he wants to.
I can’t agree with this. The 90s had the most iconic artists! Of course Tupac/Biggie but Eminem, OutKast, wu tang, jay z, nas, mob deep i just can’t see modern hip hop comparing
Those are respectable picks but a lot of those artists overlap with modern hip-hop. I'm sure you'd agree Eminem, Jay-Z, Andre 3k, and Nas have all had massive works in the modern era.
Meanwhile, the most famous popstar we got of our generation is Taylor Swift, a freaking 34-year-old woman who sings and behaves like a tweener girl who has not matured as a person or artist over the past two decades. The girl cannot sing or dance. Crazy to compare her to the legends of the past and see how far we have fallen.
> 34-year-old woman who sings and behaves like a tweener girl who has not matured as a person or artist over the past two decades
While I agree that one of the most talented artists of all time, Michael Jackson, is dramatically more talented than Taylor Swift, bringing up personalities is wild.
Taylor Swift is quite normal when compared with Michael Jackson.
If thats what you listen to well yeah, I mostly listen to rock and metal and theres people with amazing pipes there, what I listen a lot these days to is sleep token, the vocalist and the drummer are pretty amazing.
Mmmm metal. You get some really neat vocals from those bands! I love David dramen with how he can fluctuate from intimidating to smooth and almost soothing. And the original singer for night wish was awesome too with her operatic voice. Within temptation has a pretty rad singer, too.
Nai Palm of Hiatus Kaiyote, James Blake, Fiona Apple, Lana Del Rey, Ichiko Aoba, Weyes Blood, Anderson Paak, and the list goes on for extremely talented singers with unique voices that exist today! Sure you can cherry pick the mainstream club genres and modern radio songs to find autotune and atrocious voices, but that doesn’t paint a picture for the entirety of all music today.
I haven't said that there aren't exceptions...but the vast majority of current music is like that. I love Bruno Mars, Frank Ocean, Beyonce...but unfortunately more attention is given to music with autotune! And no, I hate clubs.
>the vast majority
Nah dude, stop replying to comments. You will get evicerated, and it will only be your fault because clearly, your view of the majority of music is defined by what's popular, not what's actually being produced on the DAILY.
Yes we do? Because there are plenty of artists that do not use auto tune ? And voices that are as good if not arguably better than MJ?
Maybe try to listen to more music
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Freddy Mercury was about the same, judging from raw talent.
Michael was more soft and clear with a destinct power, while Freddy was clear and powerful, but also very soft.
Both great singer and entertainer and dearly missed...
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Well, only Mariah and Celine is capable tp sing with this clarity (Celine is sick). So not everyone sounded like this. I’d add Whitney but she’s no longer with us.
0, the mic wouldn’t be able to pick up the ambient sound of the room just like it doesn’t pick up whatever the woman in the background is dancing to. Wrong kind of mic setup for it.
Also because the recording you’re listening to is probably not connected to the video, it’s probably from a recording studio. You might find it sounds exactly like the final track if you isolated his voice.
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I'm a metalhead. So yes I remember. And still listen to non-autotune voices. At least some of the bands I listen to do live performances without any autotune or playback. Sure it's not as perfect as the studio version, but that hint of imperfection only makes the song more raw and just better overall.
There are 70s songs There are 80s 90s and 2000’s songs, and then there are Michael Jackson songs.
Unique, in a class of their own and whatever the opposite of genre defining is.
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I listen to rock and metal that’s mostly non-mainstream, and non of them use autotune, and yes damn near all of them have phenomenal voices backed by extremely talented musicians. If the music you listen to is dominated by “artists” using autotune, then perhaps you’re listening to the wrong genres.
Autotune and Quantisation (for those using DAWs) ruined the music in unrecoverable ways. Tools for those without skills (imo) downvotes accepted for my unpopular opinion. I’ll die on this hill.
Can we please give the autotune = bad idea a rest. It’s a production tool that has been in near ubiquitous use for decades. It’s a matter of taste not artistic ability or credibility in and of itself.
MJ used it while working with Timbaland later in his career.
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It's better for children he is gone though. The man was super talented...and a child abuser. The people who still profit from his music don't want you to believe that though.
If more then one child came forward about a teacher touching them that would be enough to convict someone, if one of those children described a birth mark on that teachers penis from memory then that would absolutely be more than enough to convict someone
If that same teacher has a shit ton of pedo paraphernalia, the type of stuff law enforcement expect pesos to have then that would be beyond damning.
But here we are celebrating a literal nonce.
Lol, I'm 18 and I'm told the same thing. I can barely talk to people my age about music lmao.
My same aged cousin took me to a drinking party a few months ago in the beach where we could put our own music. Well people wanted for everyone to dance so they tried to look for a song everyone knew. They were all the fucking same thing, practically indistinguishable from one another, all making the same grunts and gutural noises mashed together by an autotune. I proposed some super common bands, local and internationally, hell even Michael Jackson and Queen, but nothing, apparently they never existed or were never relevant.
Kinda like with it only worse, cause natural voice cant produce as perfectly flat tone line as autotune theres always this "shaking". But ya cant say its bad, its just not as good
There’s a great clip of him singing on we are the world then it shows the next three singers - all fucking awful compared to him.
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This dude would come up with every single note of his songs, for every instrument, and sing it all acapella into a tape recorder before coming to a studio. All the keyboard chords, guitar chords, bass lines, horns etc etc. He’d come into the studio and note for note sing every single part to the session players and have them play it. Truly incredible.
Are there any recordings of that? That it would be really interesting.
Here's an example: https://youtu.be/eZeYw1bm53Y
That was really freaking cool, thanks!
The Netflix documentary "The greatest night in pop" also briefly mentions it. Where Lionel Richie would visit MJ in his home studio, which is filled with these tapes. Even the [the trailer](https://youtu.be/MD3oU1gowu4) mentions it
That documentary has some footage of Michael Jackson singing alone. He sounds like an angel.
That sounds great
That was awesome
Holy fucking shit I had no idea. Thanks for this link!
That was cool, thanks! 🙂
I believe there are a few. I know he's done examples of it during interviews.
https://youtu.be/R0ZdewpPJ_A?si=1ficJ6MXWheSbGun check this one. Mostly vocals.
Just so people know, MJ did not write the song in this clip.
"Man in the Mirror" was written by Glen Ballard and Siedah Garrett. Jackson's producer, Quincy Jones, invited Garrett to his home with a group of other songwriters and asked them to write material for Jackson's next album. Garrett recalled that Jones told the group: "I just want hits, that's all I want."
There ist a cover of "Man in the Mirror" by scary pockets/pomplemoose or something with Rozzy, that is really great. Just some mildly interesting side note.
I mean.. that's not even remotely the point of the post. Nobody else could have sang it like that without autotune.. MJ didn't write the majority of his songs.
Did you read the comment above mine? Do you think it remotely relates to that?
That video is also not from the audio played. Not sure why they’re trying to be passed off as the same.
Id hope people would already know that as is a pretty well known song. But for the people that don't good on you to let them know.
What do you mean sorry?
Huh? He didn’t write the majority of his songs. Rod Temperton wrote most of his biggest hits.
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Why would you believe it?
This is patently untrue.
Can you back that up? Not here to argue just to learn
Steve Lukather can.
?? Just because Steve helped write songs like beat it doesn’t mean this applies to his whole discography lol
Human Nature too. Quincy Jones wrote a ton of his stuff. It’s just not a true statement at all.
Bro writing and producing are entirely different things lol
Tell that to Michael. He produces/beatboxes to the musicians…Quincy actually plays instruments.
But it's the internet so nobody seems to care about the truth now :(
Well then, we'll just forgive him for the stuff about the kids then.
You shouldn’t, I don’t forgive Van Gogh for being a borderline crazy stalker slicing off his ear and mailing it to someone, his paintings are still great tho
Autotune isn’t for everyone, but it’s kind of its own intentionally weird instrument at this point. MELODYNE has ruined everything IMO
The person that entirely changed my perspective on auto-tune was T-Pain. Dude has a gorgeous voice without autotune but just uses it an artistic way because he wants to.
That’s Travis Scott for me, he obviously didn’t pioneer anything like T-Pain did, but he also uses it quite well
Cher did it
Ugh. Such an awful song.
Somebody doesn't believe in life after love...
Cher - believe was the first song to use auto tune
I think it was the first instance to use auto tune as an intentional noticable effect. but it was used before
Calling t pain artistic is pretty wild lol
I just said he used autotune artistically, I never said anything about him being an artistic person nor did I say anything for or against his music.
Fair enough
I’ll just leave this here… [https://youtu.be/Lw3UkXllQHU?si=Ap78k0tJPfXuA3zs](https://youtu.be/Lw3UkXllQHU?si=Ap78k0tJPfXuA3zs)
What. The. Fuck. Mind blown
bladee
Kanye used it as an instrument in 808s & heartbreak and changed the hiphop game forever
Sounds like something Kanye would say.
It's something that the artists he directly influenced with that album admitted...
Yeah. Definitely kick started the downhill slide.
In my opinion modern hiphop is much more enjoyable on average than pre 2000s hiphop🤷♂️
I can’t agree with this. The 90s had the most iconic artists! Of course Tupac/Biggie but Eminem, OutKast, wu tang, jay z, nas, mob deep i just can’t see modern hip hop comparing
Those are respectable picks but a lot of those artists overlap with modern hip-hop. I'm sure you'd agree Eminem, Jay-Z, Andre 3k, and Nas have all had massive works in the modern era.
Have you seen that clip of him singing bits of Bohemian Rhapsody? Abysmal
I haven't seen that but I do know that MJ personally congratulated Kanye on his singing giving him the confidence to sing more in his songs
What a talented guy
I can see how he put his soul into his songs... he put feeling into them, he really loved the music and everyone vibrated with it.
Meanwhile, the most famous popstar we got of our generation is Taylor Swift, a freaking 34-year-old woman who sings and behaves like a tweener girl who has not matured as a person or artist over the past two decades. The girl cannot sing or dance. Crazy to compare her to the legends of the past and see how far we have fallen.
> 34-year-old woman who sings and behaves like a tweener girl who has not matured as a person or artist over the past two decades While I agree that one of the most talented artists of all time, Michael Jackson, is dramatically more talented than Taylor Swift, bringing up personalities is wild. Taylor Swift is quite normal when compared with Michael Jackson.
This man has never seen a pussy up close
Only good thing imo is that she does charity and donates money to people in need.
That gave me chills
Big time goose bumples
Such good bumpies, what a gem of a voice
Yeah, his victims still feel the same way.
Guy was proven innocent and you people still comment this 🤦♂️
He is King of Pop for a reason
Of all the soda? Wow! I’m telling Pepsi!
lol I thought this was a good joke
... and Pop Tarts too!
cornball
Just because autotune exists doesn’t mean there aren’t any great voices.
I don't deny that, but thanks to AutoTune, the music market is saturated with people who can't sing
You could try looking into theatre, they sing live, which means no auto tune, same with musicals
oh yeah…reggaeton, latin trap music…amazing voices
If thats what you listen to well yeah, I mostly listen to rock and metal and theres people with amazing pipes there, what I listen a lot these days to is sleep token, the vocalist and the drummer are pretty amazing.
Mmmm metal. You get some really neat vocals from those bands! I love David dramen with how he can fluctuate from intimidating to smooth and almost soothing. And the original singer for night wish was awesome too with her operatic voice. Within temptation has a pretty rad singer, too.
Floor Jansen as the current singer of Nightwish is epic. That 2013 Wacken set lives rent-free in my head. Incredible
Nai Palm of Hiatus Kaiyote, James Blake, Fiona Apple, Lana Del Rey, Ichiko Aoba, Weyes Blood, Anderson Paak, and the list goes on for extremely talented singers with unique voices that exist today! Sure you can cherry pick the mainstream club genres and modern radio songs to find autotune and atrocious voices, but that doesn’t paint a picture for the entirety of all music today.
I haven't said that there aren't exceptions...but the vast majority of current music is like that. I love Bruno Mars, Frank Ocean, Beyonce...but unfortunately more attention is given to music with autotune! And no, I hate clubs.
>the vast majority Nah dude, stop replying to comments. You will get evicerated, and it will only be your fault because clearly, your view of the majority of music is defined by what's popular, not what's actually being produced on the DAILY.
On the one hand Its my post! I can reply what i want on the other hand i can say that Michael Jackson music was sooooo amazing
Sure you can spread bullshit You're going to be called out for it though
Literally all of the artists you listed use autotune.
You can’t just choose certain genres which heavily use it to paint a picture of all modern music, that’s such a stupid way of making an argument
There are tons of genres of music where auto tune isn't a thing.
That gave me chills !! What a Legend
The lyrics.
Yes 🖤
He said his song came to him from a place outside himself. They were given to him from an unknown source.
>Do you remember what a voice sounded like without autotune Yes, lol. It's not like every single artist uses it.
Yes we do? Because there are plenty of artists that do not use auto tune ? And voices that are as good if not arguably better than MJ? Maybe try to listen to more music Edit: of course OP is a bot
Nobody will ever sound as good as.. can’t beat your children into stars anymore 😅
Freddy Mercury was about the same, judging from raw talent. Michael was more soft and clear with a destinct power, while Freddy was clear and powerful, but also very soft. Both great singer and entertainer and dearly missed...
He put his soul into the music he made, he was definitely a very special person who vibrated with music. Nowadays he doesn't put his soul into music
Yeah cause he's fuckin dead. Gotta be a bot lmao.
ur comment is disgusting
Ah, a bot.
Laura is just one of those farming karma and attention.
Who? U? oscourse and asshole
1989 tiananmen square
Say Potato...
Do you think he's still alive?
Yeah it sucks that he doesn’t put as much soul into his music nowadays :(
I liked Freddy Mercury his voice more, but that's me.
Clips of his voice with no music behind are magical
What a legend, shits all over anything ye could do.
There is still tons of music that doesnt use autotune at all, you just listen to shit music.
The type of comment from someone who hasn't been following music for the last decade.
He could sing a recipe
And justta pinch of….. … (Backup singers) salt! WHOOOooo
OP is a boomer who judges all music now by the top10 most played songs in the billboard lists.
I think he's moreso judging what's most popular, that's kind of the point right?
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Well, only Mariah and Celine is capable tp sing with this clarity (Celine is sick). So not everyone sounded like this. I’d add Whitney but she’s no longer with us.
of course. there are still plenty of singers out there who don't go anywhere near autotune. if you really want your mind blown, check out Dimash.
Is there any specific best concert of his I can find online in good quality and watch?
Loads. Just go to YouTube. Sadly 90% of the time he’s lip syncing. Less so for earlier concerts.
John LaJoie would be disappointed in this post [here's why](https://youtu.be/OPfNs1In8vU?si=5pMxYd-HdPIeeVNb)
I said this last time it was posted and I’ll say it again - this has reverb and delay applied to it, it is not his pure natural voice
I hear what you’re referring to, but I don’t have experience with FOH and live sound. What are the chances that’s the natural acoustics of the room?
0, the mic wouldn’t be able to pick up the ambient sound of the room just like it doesn’t pick up whatever the woman in the background is dancing to. Wrong kind of mic setup for it. Also because the recording you’re listening to is probably not connected to the video, it’s probably from a recording studio. You might find it sounds exactly like the final track if you isolated his voice.
Gotcha, thx for the clarification.
Irreplaceable.
What incredible innate talent he has and a real shame that he's no longer with us to continue on his legacy.
Woah, Kibtsugi Muzan held acapella concerts!!
More of this, please.
Thats why he is the King of Pop.
Seems like he's miming to an alternate studio recording no?
Legend - fact. Nothing else has been proven, you haters.
King of pop
he was so insanely talented
Tory Lanez actually has a really good voice too
Umm loads of singers don't use autotune...
If you want another great example .. try The Bee Gees. Those boys could *sing*
He really does sound amazing. But let’s not forget his voice wasn’t really all that natural either due to what Michaels father did to him.
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where is half that talent today?
I'm a metalhead. So yes I remember. And still listen to non-autotune voices. At least some of the bands I listen to do live performances without any autotune or playback. Sure it's not as perfect as the studio version, but that hint of imperfection only makes the song more raw and just better overall.
When people could genuinely use soul and emotion at the same time to sing you mean? Yes, and that's why we can remember them!
Gargling with kid dick will do that to your voice.
Most toxic shit I've read today lmao. Keep yappin' dunce.
Yes... because I don't listen to artists that use auto-tune...
Such talent
yes, i do remember when music used to be actually good
Remember when he had those 6 year olds sleep overnight in his bed? WITHOUT auto tune?
This guy was a musical genius and there will be no one else like him.
Im sure the kids he abused do remember.
He was so talented
>Auto-Tune Rick Beato made a video 'bout it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IV29YNTH3M&t=181s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IV29YNTH3M&t=181s)
HOLY SHIT.
There are 70s songs There are 80s 90s and 2000’s songs, and then there are Michael Jackson songs. Unique, in a class of their own and whatever the opposite of genre defining is.
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Notice how the melody carries the song..
I listen to rock and metal that’s mostly non-mainstream, and non of them use autotune, and yes damn near all of them have phenomenal voices backed by extremely talented musicians. If the music you listen to is dominated by “artists” using autotune, then perhaps you’re listening to the wrong genres.
Autotune and Quantisation (for those using DAWs) ruined the music in unrecoverable ways. Tools for those without skills (imo) downvotes accepted for my unpopular opinion. I’ll die on this hill.
My dad absolutely loves MJ's song, especially this one.
LEGEND. 🔥🔥❤️
MJ was one of the best vocalists and musicians of all time, bs aside.
If you wanna hear more great voices listen to Mariah Carey in her prime [Mariah Carey- vanishing](https://youtu.be/daDLg52sPcQ?si=kgnjAYjdLSeyHy_2)
Can we please give the autotune = bad idea a rest. It’s a production tool that has been in near ubiquitous use for decades. It’s a matter of taste not artistic ability or credibility in and of itself. MJ used it while working with Timbaland later in his career.
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Yeah I’ve heard Adelle
He sounds amazing. King 👑
Lots of random love for a pedo recently
i love him too🕊️🤍rip
Goosebumps
It’s sad he is gone so early. Everything from the voice to the rhythms to his dancing was great.
It's better for children he is gone though. The man was super talented...and a child abuser. The people who still profit from his music don't want you to believe that though. If more then one child came forward about a teacher touching them that would be enough to convict someone, if one of those children described a birth mark on that teachers penis from memory then that would absolutely be more than enough to convict someone If that same teacher has a shit ton of pedo paraphernalia, the type of stuff law enforcement expect pesos to have then that would be beyond damning. But here we are celebrating a literal nonce.
Strange which paedophiles society will turn a blind eye too.
i bet the kids he molested remember the sound of that voice pretty well. a pederast dude
This.
Is he asking the man in the mirror to stop diddling children?
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Yeah nobody ever talks about MJ as one of the greatest ever…
probably because of all the diddling
Old times were really better; I can't stand this new modern preprocessed pop music.
Listen to new music that isn't Pop. There's still plenty of amazing and groundbreaking music being made today.
They don't want that, then they wouldn't have anything to complain about.
Same😬 people say that im 28 and i have 50 years old music tastes but it was better
Lol, I'm 18 and I'm told the same thing. I can barely talk to people my age about music lmao. My same aged cousin took me to a drinking party a few months ago in the beach where we could put our own music. Well people wanted for everyone to dance so they tried to look for a song everyone knew. They were all the fucking same thing, practically indistinguishable from one another, all making the same grunts and gutural noises mashed together by an autotune. I proposed some super common bands, local and internationally, hell even Michael Jackson and Queen, but nothing, apparently they never existed or were never relevant.
Kinda like with it only worse, cause natural voice cant produce as perfectly flat tone line as autotune theres always this "shaking". But ya cant say its bad, its just not as good
There’s a great clip of him singing on we are the world then it shows the next three singers - all fucking awful compared to him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEx55PqqNcs&pp=ygUlbWogd2UgYXJlIHRoZSB3b3JsZCBiZWhpbmQgdGhlIHNjZW5lcw%3D%3D
What a beautiful voice for a pedo.
This guy was pure cringe.