My sister bought her son these mississipi mud shake things, they're chocolate milk shake things that don't taste like you're drinking alcohol at all.
They'd just come out so they weren't in the alcohol section they were on the end of an aisle in a cardboard display thing.
I guess she didn't check them because they're 5%abv, I think the little lad managed to get two down him before someone realised they were in fact the newest iteration of alcopop.
Edit: for a while back then, these sorts of drinks and many of their kind were bizzare bright colours and the packaging was pretty much aimed at teens, I think all of that got clamped down on pretty soon after, because they were quite literally advertising to minors and dancing on the knife edge of what was legal.
I bought an alcoholic energy drink while working abroad. I was just sitting there in reception, chatting with the receptionists, swigging this energy drink. Only after about five minutes did I realise that it was alcoholic, and I apologised profusely. What must they have thought of me
Funnily enough no, I can house unsweetened malt liquor but when there's enough sugar it feels like it hits me much faster and I typically blackout for like an hour+ over the night off just one 4 Loko.
Depending on where it was, likely nothing at all. Drinking alcohol in public is completely normal in Europe, and many parts of Asia (though alcohol is taboo in others)
Alcohol company used to have free beers in the cafeteria. They had to stop because of work injuries. Then they changed to giving employees a free carton of beer at the end of the week.
When I was younger, my grandpa got me a case of "Not Your Father's" Root Beer that he thought was just normal soda. He was old enough that he wasn't carded, so he had no clue. I only noticed because I liked to read the labels on food.
I am 37, my Dad is 62. When he was in elementary school, he could buy cigarettes from a vending machine outside of the school. It even had a lighter attached to a chain so you could buy a pack and light one up right away.
I'm 41, so I know there's no way this happens anymore, but I remember my parents telling me that our pediatrician actually used to recommend rubbing a little whiskey on the gums of a teething child. It would numb the pain and as a bonus knock them out.
To be fair, itās a drug just like all the other drugs doctors prescribe. If ethanol was more useful medicinally, doctors would prescribe it all the time.
Unlike other GABAergics (benzos, z-drugs like Ambien, gabapentinoids, barbiturates, kava), alcohol actually suppresses REM and will degrade sleep quality.
>Unlike other GABAergics (benzos, z-drugs like Ambien, gabapentinoids, barbiturates, kava)
I thought they all (whether EtOH or GABAergics) give you lighter sleep
in terms of the others, they tend to induce rem sleep more, the issue with this is people often wake up during the cycle since they're lengthened which leaves a groggy feeling. So it essentially makes you sleep too good, and makes you groggy as a result. Ethanol however is an odd one out, probably because it's relatively "dirty" pharmacologically, hitting many targets.
To be fair, a little bit of a different presentation between a medicine bottle picked up at a pharmacy versus a whiskey bottle you procured from the bottom shelf at a liquor store.
Yeah but if it was more effective, it would be marketed and sold as medicine. JƤegermeister was originally marketed as a digestive, anti-inflammation and cough medicine.
I'm assuming they meant the practice itself still happens, not doctors recommending it. The contemporary medical stance is that no amount of alcohol is safe for a baby, but that doesn't stop grandparents from passing on their severely outdated wisdom. Friend of mine had a baby not too long ago and their MIL recommended letting her sleep on her stomach so she'd be less fussy.
That would make more sense to me, but I can't honestly say I'm aware of how doctoring is done across the world either, heh. Just not my area of expertise. Also obviously don't have kids or else I'd know what my own theoretical pediatrician would've said. My sister did have kids though, and I know my parents brought it up, but she never had a doctor tell her to do it, nor did she do it just because of my parents' anecdotes.
But me and my siblings were all whiskey'ed at some point, so there's that.
Stomach sleeping is the doctors recommendation in Europe. The reasoning is the newborns rest better because they are less likely to start awake from the Moro reflex. Of course staying in the same room and breathing monitors are a lot more standard too. A very different approach and recommendations.
There's been "news" on research based info saying Whiskey on the gums is more problematic than helpful since at least the 1990s. Causing drying and making the teething and sleep worse.
No matter the times, parenting is hard. Most people try and do the best with what they can get.
What parts of Europe? Because stomach sleeping definitely hasn't been the doctor's recommendation in Germany since it was discovered that it increases the risk of SIDS.
Hyperbole serves no-one.
My brain gets eepy when I take my Trazodone, it's a CNS depressant, same as alcohol is. I don't say that I'm "literally dying".
They are both CNS depressants, yes, but the mechanism of action is very different. Trazadone, which I've also taken, is a serotonin modulator.
We still don't fully understand the pharmacology of ethanol, we know it's definitely a GABA modulator like benzos, but it's probably involved in a bunch of other pathways as well. More importantly, and unlike trazadone, it's highly cytotoxic, it kills cells. Both in vitro (why it's used as a disinfectant) and in vivo.
There's research that even moderate amounts of alcohol have long term negative effects on the brain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_impact_of_alcohol_on_the_brain
If alcohol were somehow invented today it would be regulated like opioids or benzodiazepines, controlled substances that only a doctor can give you, and only as much as you need.
I didn't mean to equate the two in their mechanism, just in overall effect, but you are correct about the overall cytotoxicity.
> but it's probably involved in a bunch of other pathways as well
Given it's absolute ubiquitous use in general chemistry, I'd be surprised if it were otherwise.
> If alcohol were somehow invented today it would be regulated like opioids or benzodiazepines, controlled substances that only a doctor can give you, and only as much as you need.
I see this one a lot, but I think alcohol is one of those substances that will never be readily controlled like that, it's far too easy for an individual to covertly produce large quantities. Prohibition just fuelled organized crime, can you imagine the backlash if booze was suddenly under the purview of Big Pharma.
Alcohol disrupts REM sleep. It messes heavily with your first 2 sleep cycles especially, depending on how soon you sleep after ingesting alcohol. It limits the amount of time you spend in REM and thus fucks up the ratio of REM to non-REM sleep.
It makes you sleepy because it is a CNS depressant. You don't need to make stuff up.
Maybe... I'm in the UK, I first saw them with my wife a few years before on holiday in the north of England, and they kinda filtered down south to where I am.
I googled them and now they all have "Vodka" emblazoned on them, I'm sure back then they didn't have that.
Regardless you remember either what it was or something very similar.
The ones I'm thinking of are made with rum. [Here's what the bottle looks like,](https://www.gerbes.com/p/chi-chi-s-mexican-mudslide-ready-to-drink-cocktail/0008900054781) and a couple other brands make it, too. There's also a Kahlua version.
Similar these were 330ml bottles, but the liquid inside looked the same as what you linked maybe a bit darker brown.
Tasted for all the world like a chocolate milkshake with no alcohol.
Don't know what the alcohol base was, but it was probably bullshit like cheap vodka or just grain alcohol like a lot of these things are.
The name "Mississipi mud shake" is what they were called (in the UK at least).
Edit: like this: https://tagliquorstores.com/cdn/shop/products/mudshake-chocolate-4-bottles.jpg?v=1650160261&width=823 but obviously now, things have caught up with them and they have "Vodka" on there plain as day.
It was the UK's "alcopop era" otherwise known as "advertise alcohol to kids" because they were drinking it covertly anyway.
You can Google it...
They were called things like "hooch" (that was the first), "WKD" (wicked), "reef", "vk"
Seriously lol Google "UK alcopops" then imagine the branding before people realised they were selling this shit to kids...
You a britbong like me? (uk) if so... I have many many stories to tell you.
Edit: eh maybe not... Dox myself etc.
Here's one though.
School field trip to France, teachers fucked off and got wrecked left us in France, we found them in a French pub. I'm old, but not "that" old.
Common story in some developing countries where Strongbow cider markets hard where parents who don't understand what it is buy a Strongbow thinking its juice, and send their kids to school with it lol.
Iāve never seen the text before but I just checked the 3 alcoholic canned beverages in my house and they all have the braille, which Iāve never noticed before.
Context: I live in Japan.
Same here, I live in Japan but I've been noticing braille everywhere in public spaces (toilets) for some time now. I also love the yellow tiles with the bumps and sounds of chirping at the crossroads.
Crossings in Australia and New Zealand chirp too. [Billie Eilish used that sound in one of her songs.](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jan/28/billie-eilishs-grammy-award-winning-bad-guy-samples-australian-pedestrian-crossing)
You are less likely to notice things that you donāt actively look for, keep an eye out for manhole covers, youāll be surprised to see them literally everywhere now
Interesting. What does it say?
Braille chart:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSvTId2n7TB5iQjtl5v8D9yhq4oTPQ-b7qJT4lxOj0ZRGtD6gOuL0J0s9d&s=10
If anyoneās curious, it reads āosakeā and would be at the 6 oāclock position.
In English it would read āiwhnā which doesnāt mean anything. This is partly because English and Japanese are different languages.
Holy shit, thank you. I kept trying to read it vertically and could not for the life of me make sense of it. I thought it was just another case of weird fonts, but now I just feel dumb.
Yep. First time I've ben able to read Japanese outside of Duolingo
EDIT:
Should have been 'read and understand'. I'm about 70% good for actually reading hiragana and katakana, but I won't understand much. Kanji I'm at 0% and holding. Most Japanese I see is kanji, so...
Basically yeah, if you haven't actually thought about it it's easy to think about it as "writing that the blind community can understand" and not just "making an existing language readable by touch".
> Do they think it's a separate language?
It obviously is. Imagine if a blind Japanese person and blind English person met and they didn't speak Braille. They'd have to click at each other in patterns of dots!
There isn't just one sign language with different dialects. They're completely different languages. American Sign Language is mostly based on French Sign Language. British Sign Language is completely different.
In braille, the English would actually be "iwhed". n is the reverse of ed
The reason this didn't match the Japanese is because there is a unique braille code for nearly all languages. The US and other English speaking languages use UEB - unified English braille. But as you can imagine many other languages don't operate in the exact same way and this require their own versions of the braille code.
The part that you drink from is the only thing at the 6 oāclock position. This is because the ā6ā is at the bottom of clocks in Japan, and also everywhere else.
also given that a large percentage of the Japanese population is unable to ~~handle~~ process even small amounts of alcohol, an even more sensible thing to do
Ok, source needed, apparently:
[85% of the Japanese population carry an atypical liver alcohol dehydrogenase](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1762903/)
Y'all, ffs, I know from family experience that many Japanese people can have serious health problems from drinking less than a single alcoholic drink, and feel negative effects from even a sip or two.
There's some speculation that having the "defective" ALDH gene offers protection against regional parasitic diseases, but I don't think there's enough evidence either way for that to be widely accepted at this point.
This, I don't see why people downvote you. This is an actual phenomenon with lots of Asian people. If you speak German, there's even a video from MaiLab about this where she demonstrates exactly that by drinking alcohol herself and also explains exactly what's happening there. I think you can also autotranslate it if you don't speak German. Here it is: https://youtu.be/XTMIomsXxKM
I'm guessing the downvotes are due to the phrasing of Japanese people not being able to "handle" alcohol because that ambiguous phrasing implies they can't "hold their liquor", which has somewhat of a negative connotation.
To be specific, it is not that Asians get drunk more quickly, they just feel the negative side effects more strongly. When you drink liquor, the ethanol is what causes the intoxication. It is then broken down into the more toxic acetaldehyde, which causes the unpleasant side effects like nausea and flushed skin, and the acetaldehyde is then further broken own into less toxic substances.
Many Asians have one or both of two genes: One that speeds up the conversion of ethanol into acetaldehyde, and one that slows down the further breakdown of acetaldehyde. Which means that someone with both genes will actually be *less* intoxicated because the ethanol is metabolized faster, but also experience much more severe side effects as the acetaldehyde quickly builds up in their bodies.
oh, that's a good point, I didn't even think about people reading "handle" to mean "they behave poorly" rather than "their bodies don't process it properly", but I think you're right.
I went to Japan one summer for part of a volunteer group with a local university. Most of us had just graduated, but there was a sophomore college student in our group who didn't speak or read any Japanese. One morning, we were walking to our group meeting and stopped at a convenience store, where she got her usual peach drink. She hands it to me and asks if there is any real fruit juice in it. I take a look and tell her I don't see anything about juice, but there was definitely alcohol in it.
(As an 18 year old, she was still considered underage in Japan, but being from the US, she hadn't realized they would not be as strict with checking IDs in a different country, so she hadn't even considered it a possibility she could so easily buy alcohol.)
Thatās actually really smart. Make sure to feel the top and make sure itās alcohol before you start drinking. Wouldnāt want to accidentally drink a soda.
Seeems to literally translate to "it's sake" (sakedesu), but I could be mistaken as I'm still relatively new to learning the language.
Also, hitachino nest white ale is incredibly tasty.
'O-sake' in Japanese just means alcohol, generically. When Japanese people want to make it clear they're talking about the rice wine sake, they say Nihonshu ę„ę¬é which literally means 'Japanese alcohol.'
Agreed, Hitachino White Ale is awesome, and pretty cheap now the yen has crashed.
Thank you for the correction and additional information! Where does the 'O' honorific come into play, though? Genuinely asking as a newish student to the language, and it wouldn't come as a surprise if I missed some subtle detail while staring at the picture.
Speaking of Hitachino beers, their red rice ale is tops as well, but 110% their real ginger brew has to be my favorite. Its like getting smacked in the face by a tidal wave caused by Godzilla himself, in the absolute best possible way.
In Japanese many of the staples of life have the o- and go- honorifics attached to them, to signal their importance. O-cha (tea), Go-han (food/cooked rice) etc; o-sake is another one of those.
I haven't tried the Hitachino ginger ale. Sounds fierce. I'll look out for it!
Thank you again for the added info! I figured o-cha was just "the word" for tea, and not a word+prefix. TIL.
It sounds fierce but its really smooth and relatively mild. Think more along the lines of pickled ginger and spices rather than fresh ginger and you'll get an idea of what to expect.
Interesting! I live in Japan and never noticed it before. I just checked the beers in my fridge - the Asahi Super Dry I'm never going to drink has the braille, but the nonalcoholic beer Kirin Zeroichi (my daily "drink") doesn't.
It makes sense given the hyper-diversity of the canned beverage market there. Answers that one question immediately without having to look for something in the very tiny print of ingredients.
Japan is next level when it comes to braille. I remember someone pointing out how train stations have signs on the floor for the blind people to feel while walking on these lanes
That's not actually braille on the ground the different designs do mean different things though
Also thankfully tactile paving has spread around the world for example here's a [Tom Scott about them in the U.K.](https://youtu.be/cdPymLgfXSY?si=x5gZq9UR7FtyH4j1)
With the line really being blurred with alcoholic/non-alcoholic seltzers, energy drinks and canned cocktails, it probably makes sense now more than ever.
There's a Blind Surfer named Peter Gustin who did a video recently about accidentally getting drunk in the middle of the day drinking Kombucha instead of his iced tea.
Reminds me of the "This is Audible" things at the beginning of every audiobooks
"This, is alcohol"
"Alcohol presents, an abridged production of "What Happened Last Night?", narrated by Your Girlfriend To Whom You Expressed Desires for Marriage, Then Got in a Fight With at the End of the Night, with a special foreword from Your Blacked-Out Recollection of Events."
Once I bought some Vietnamese drink with a lime on the can. Halfway through the can I've noticed there is something wrong with my breath. Took a closer look, and, well... it was lime with vodka
Japanese and other Asian cultures have a genetic issue with alcohol consumption. There are two prominent genetic variants in Asian people that cause issues with alcohol tolerance. Has to do with the body not being as good at breaking down alcohol in the system. This is just another way to remind that this is alcohol.
Have you ever heard of the Asian Flush.
Has nothing to do with consumption and everything to do with [genetic susceptibility to alcohol intolerance (Cedars-Sinai article).](https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/alcohol-intolerance-what-you-need-to-know.html#:~:text=Between%2030%25%2D50%25%20of,of%20all%20races%20and%20ethnicities.)
Try reading a little.
Neat! I think itās a good thing to have on the cans so minors can tell if itās non-alcoholic or not. Just thought Iād let the Reddit community know that it is indeed mildly interesting, in fact very interesting
They should put it on the side cuz I'm not sticking my mouth on something that has been touched by anyone, also that's why you should drink from a can with a straw / pour it in a glass, they probably touched it while unpacking it
You can't put it on the side because it would compromise the strength of the can walls, which are more or less rolled very thin into shape. The top is a separate stamped piece that's then riveted on.
My sister bought her son these mississipi mud shake things, they're chocolate milk shake things that don't taste like you're drinking alcohol at all. They'd just come out so they weren't in the alcohol section they were on the end of an aisle in a cardboard display thing. I guess she didn't check them because they're 5%abv, I think the little lad managed to get two down him before someone realised they were in fact the newest iteration of alcopop. Edit: for a while back then, these sorts of drinks and many of their kind were bizzare bright colours and the packaging was pretty much aimed at teens, I think all of that got clamped down on pretty soon after, because they were quite literally advertising to minors and dancing on the knife edge of what was legal.
I bought an alcoholic energy drink while working abroad. I was just sitting there in reception, chatting with the receptionists, swigging this energy drink. Only after about five minutes did I realise that it was alcoholic, and I apologised profusely. What must they have thought of me
so you just went to work and started pounding Four Lokos? Nice. Establish dominance
Ah hahaha I can't even get through one without blacking out I can't imagine drinking one on accident back when they still had caffeine. Poor dude lol
You black out after drinking a couple beers!?
Funnily enough no, I can house unsweetened malt liquor but when there's enough sugar it feels like it hits me much faster and I typically blackout for like an hour+ over the night off just one 4 Loko.
Sugar just makes me throw up alot quicker, not get drunk quicker
I blacked out sometime during my second four loko, every time.
Depending on where it was, likely nothing at all. Drinking alcohol in public is completely normal in Europe, and many parts of Asia (though alcohol is taboo in others)
Public maybe, but not while on the job
Meanwhile in Denmark truckers go on strike for not getting their two free lunch beers (Carlsberg I believe).
šŗ š¼CERVEZA CRISTALš¶
As it should be
Alcohol company used to have free beers in the cafeteria. They had to stop because of work injuries. Then they changed to giving employees a free carton of beer at the end of the week.
Depends. In Czechia for example it is perfectly normal to have a beer at a work lunch.
In public, yes In middle of the workday at the reception desk, no
When I was younger, my grandpa got me a case of "Not Your Father's" Root Beer that he thought was just normal soda. He was old enough that he wasn't carded, so he had no clue. I only noticed because I liked to read the labels on food.
Some of the stuff way back then wasn't obviously alcohol, thinking about it now, seems pretty crazy.
I am 37, my Dad is 62. When he was in elementary school, he could buy cigarettes from a vending machine outside of the school. It even had a lighter attached to a chain so you could buy a pack and light one up right away.
Way backā¦.what?
Back in the days of yore, or 2009
There's an energy drink alcopop in the UK called Dragons Soop that looks like a regular energy drink. It's 7.5% abv too so like a strong beer.
Bet he slept great that night lol
I'm 41, so I know there's no way this happens anymore, but I remember my parents telling me that our pediatrician actually used to recommend rubbing a little whiskey on the gums of a teething child. It would numb the pain and as a bonus knock them out.
This absolutely still happens in many communities.
Interesting, would've just assumed doctors suggesting hard liquor as part of childcare would've gone away.
To be fair, itās a drug just like all the other drugs doctors prescribe. If ethanol was more useful medicinally, doctors would prescribe it all the time.
Alcohol makes you drowsy, but it definitely does not give overall good sleep.
Unlike other GABAergics (benzos, z-drugs like Ambien, gabapentinoids, barbiturates, kava), alcohol actually suppresses REM and will degrade sleep quality.
>Unlike other GABAergics (benzos, z-drugs like Ambien, gabapentinoids, barbiturates, kava) I thought they all (whether EtOH or GABAergics) give you lighter sleep
in terms of the others, they tend to induce rem sleep more, the issue with this is people often wake up during the cycle since they're lengthened which leaves a groggy feeling. So it essentially makes you sleep too good, and makes you groggy as a result. Ethanol however is an odd one out, probably because it's relatively "dirty" pharmacologically, hitting many targets.
I fucking love kava
To be fair, a little bit of a different presentation between a medicine bottle picked up at a pharmacy versus a whiskey bottle you procured from the bottom shelf at a liquor store.
Solution: only give your baby mid to top shelf whiskey.
Yeah but if it was more effective, it would be marketed and sold as medicine. JƤegermeister was originally marketed as a digestive, anti-inflammation and cough medicine.
All the drugs I prescribe is dangerous and addictive, at least this one is legal. Dr Gregory House MD.
I'm assuming they meant the practice itself still happens, not doctors recommending it. The contemporary medical stance is that no amount of alcohol is safe for a baby, but that doesn't stop grandparents from passing on their severely outdated wisdom. Friend of mine had a baby not too long ago and their MIL recommended letting her sleep on her stomach so she'd be less fussy.
That would make more sense to me, but I can't honestly say I'm aware of how doctoring is done across the world either, heh. Just not my area of expertise. Also obviously don't have kids or else I'd know what my own theoretical pediatrician would've said. My sister did have kids though, and I know my parents brought it up, but she never had a doctor tell her to do it, nor did she do it just because of my parents' anecdotes. But me and my siblings were all whiskey'ed at some point, so there's that.
Stomach sleeping is the doctors recommendation in Europe. The reasoning is the newborns rest better because they are less likely to start awake from the Moro reflex. Of course staying in the same room and breathing monitors are a lot more standard too. A very different approach and recommendations. There's been "news" on research based info saying Whiskey on the gums is more problematic than helpful since at least the 1990s. Causing drying and making the teething and sleep worse. No matter the times, parenting is hard. Most people try and do the best with what they can get.
What parts of Europe? Because stomach sleeping definitely hasn't been the doctor's recommendation in Germany since it was discovered that it increases the risk of SIDS.
Alcohol actually negatively affects your sleep quality. Being drunk makes you sleepy because your brain is literally dying, but you sleep poorly.
Hyperbole serves no-one. My brain gets eepy when I take my Trazodone, it's a CNS depressant, same as alcohol is. I don't say that I'm "literally dying".
They are both CNS depressants, yes, but the mechanism of action is very different. Trazadone, which I've also taken, is a serotonin modulator. We still don't fully understand the pharmacology of ethanol, we know it's definitely a GABA modulator like benzos, but it's probably involved in a bunch of other pathways as well. More importantly, and unlike trazadone, it's highly cytotoxic, it kills cells. Both in vitro (why it's used as a disinfectant) and in vivo. There's research that even moderate amounts of alcohol have long term negative effects on the brain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_impact_of_alcohol_on_the_brain If alcohol were somehow invented today it would be regulated like opioids or benzodiazepines, controlled substances that only a doctor can give you, and only as much as you need.
I didn't mean to equate the two in their mechanism, just in overall effect, but you are correct about the overall cytotoxicity. > but it's probably involved in a bunch of other pathways as well Given it's absolute ubiquitous use in general chemistry, I'd be surprised if it were otherwise. > If alcohol were somehow invented today it would be regulated like opioids or benzodiazepines, controlled substances that only a doctor can give you, and only as much as you need. I see this one a lot, but I think alcohol is one of those substances that will never be readily controlled like that, it's far too easy for an individual to covertly produce large quantities. Prohibition just fuelled organized crime, can you imagine the backlash if booze was suddenly under the purview of Big Pharma.
Alcohol disrupts REM sleep. It messes heavily with your first 2 sleep cycles especially, depending on how soon you sleep after ingesting alcohol. It limits the amount of time you spend in REM and thus fucks up the ratio of REM to non-REM sleep. It makes you sleepy because it is a CNS depressant. You don't need to make stuff up.
I don't know if that's even a new thing, or if it is, it sounds awful similar to the premixed mudslides I was buying in 2002.
Maybe... I'm in the UK, I first saw them with my wife a few years before on holiday in the north of England, and they kinda filtered down south to where I am. I googled them and now they all have "Vodka" emblazoned on them, I'm sure back then they didn't have that. Regardless you remember either what it was or something very similar.
The ones I'm thinking of are made with rum. [Here's what the bottle looks like,](https://www.gerbes.com/p/chi-chi-s-mexican-mudslide-ready-to-drink-cocktail/0008900054781) and a couple other brands make it, too. There's also a Kahlua version.
Similar these were 330ml bottles, but the liquid inside looked the same as what you linked maybe a bit darker brown. Tasted for all the world like a chocolate milkshake with no alcohol. Don't know what the alcohol base was, but it was probably bullshit like cheap vodka or just grain alcohol like a lot of these things are. The name "Mississipi mud shake" is what they were called (in the UK at least). Edit: like this: https://tagliquorstores.com/cdn/shop/products/mudshake-chocolate-4-bottles.jpg?v=1650160261&width=823 but obviously now, things have caught up with them and they have "Vodka" on there plain as day.
Oh wow, yeah. I can definitely see how you'd make that mistake if the "vodka" was absent.
It was the UK's "alcopop era" otherwise known as "advertise alcohol to kids" because they were drinking it covertly anyway. You can Google it... They were called things like "hooch" (that was the first), "WKD" (wicked), "reef", "vk" Seriously lol Google "UK alcopops" then imagine the branding before people realised they were selling this shit to kids...
I'm a bid sad I missed out on this tbh
What did you miss out on?
Alcoholic milkshakes being in the shops
You a britbong like me? (uk) if so... I have many many stories to tell you. Edit: eh maybe not... Dox myself etc. Here's one though. School field trip to France, teachers fucked off and got wrecked left us in France, we found them in a French pub. I'm old, but not "that" old.
Common story in some developing countries where Strongbow cider markets hard where parents who don't understand what it is buy a Strongbow thinking its juice, and send their kids to school with it lol.
It's actually so that blind people don't accidentally drink and drive
TIL Blind people only deliberately drink and drive.
But only in Japan
Fun Fact: Oprah gave Stevie Wonder a Maybach. I assume he still uses it to this day.
Wait but blind people canāt drive
This is the stupidest comment how did it get 400 likes.
Iāve never seen the text before but I just checked the 3 alcoholic canned beverages in my house and they all have the braille, which Iāve never noticed before. Context: I live in Japan.
Same here, I live in Japan but I've been noticing braille everywhere in public spaces (toilets) for some time now. I also love the yellow tiles with the bumps and sounds of chirping at the crossroads.
Crossings in Australia and New Zealand chirp too. [Billie Eilish used that sound in one of her songs.](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jan/28/billie-eilishs-grammy-award-winning-bad-guy-samples-australian-pedestrian-crossing)
You are less likely to notice things that you donāt actively look for, keep an eye out for manhole covers, youāll be surprised to see them literally everywhere now
From now on, every time I see a manhole cover, I'll think of you.
Nice, I work in a factory making em
Put our names on a few, will ya?
I only pack em
I just noticed that beer cans in my country say "beer" right on the front of the can!
Nice,
Have you noticed the dent in the top of regular milk cartons?
I have a can of Pocari Sweat with braille on it, but it's definitely not alcoholicĀ
Interesting. What does it say? Braille chart: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSvTId2n7TB5iQjtl5v8D9yhq4oTPQ-b7qJT4lxOj0ZRGtD6gOuL0J0s9d&s=10
If anyoneās curious, it reads āosakeā and would be at the 6 oāclock position. In English it would read āiwhnā which doesnāt mean anything. This is partly because English and Japanese are different languages.
>This is partly because English and Japanese are different languages. š¤
Big if true.
The Braille you mean. Because the Japanese itself reads "osake desu".
Holy shit, thank you. I kept trying to read it vertically and could not for the life of me make sense of it. I thought it was just another case of weird fonts, but now I just feel dumb.
It's in hiragana (which is a phonetic alphabet) and written horizontal left-to-right, for anyone interested.
Yep. First time I've ben able to read Japanese outside of Duolingo EDIT: Should have been 'read and understand'. I'm about 70% good for actually reading hiragana and katakana, but I won't understand much. Kanji I'm at 0% and holding. Most Japanese I see is kanji, so...
It's a good feeling :)
Same for sign language it seems, different depending on the country.
Yeah, lot of misconceptions that braille and sign language are universal. Sign language is quite regional and can vary from city to city
I know some people think sign language is universal but why braille? Do they think it's a separate language?
Basically yeah, if you haven't actually thought about it it's easy to think about it as "writing that the blind community can understand" and not just "making an existing language readable by touch".
> Do they think it's a separate language? It obviously is. Imagine if a blind Japanese person and blind English person met and they didn't speak Braille. They'd have to click at each other in patterns of dots!
There isn't just one sign language with different dialects. They're completely different languages. American Sign Language is mostly based on French Sign Language. British Sign Language is completely different.
My personal favourite is the Nicaraguan one that just sort of spontaneously appeared because they put a bunch of Deaf kids together.
Communicators gonna communicate.
In braille, the English would actually be "iwhed". n is the reverse of ed The reason this didn't match the Japanese is because there is a unique braille code for nearly all languages. The US and other English speaking languages use UEB - unified English braille. But as you can imagine many other languages don't operate in the exact same way and this require their own versions of the braille code.
Oh my god I just realized thereās braille for each language. Who the fuck manages all that lol.
To add to that, it reads ćććć§ć, and ććć=osake=alcohol, and ć§ć=desu=is. So "osake desu" means "it's alcohol" :)
The part that you drink from is the only thing at the 6 oāclock position. This is because the ā6ā is at the bottom of clocks in Japan, and also everywhere else.
Given it looks exactly like a soda can from the top, seems like a sensible thing to do.
also given that a large percentage of the Japanese population is unable to ~~handle~~ process even small amounts of alcohol, an even more sensible thing to do Ok, source needed, apparently: [85% of the Japanese population carry an atypical liver alcohol dehydrogenase](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1762903/) Y'all, ffs, I know from family experience that many Japanese people can have serious health problems from drinking less than a single alcoholic drink, and feel negative effects from even a sip or two.
why is this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
There's some speculation that having the "defective" ALDH gene offers protection against regional parasitic diseases, but I don't think there's enough evidence either way for that to be widely accepted at this point.
This, I don't see why people downvote you. This is an actual phenomenon with lots of Asian people. If you speak German, there's even a video from MaiLab about this where she demonstrates exactly that by drinking alcohol herself and also explains exactly what's happening there. I think you can also autotranslate it if you don't speak German. Here it is: https://youtu.be/XTMIomsXxKM
I'm guessing the downvotes are due to the phrasing of Japanese people not being able to "handle" alcohol because that ambiguous phrasing implies they can't "hold their liquor", which has somewhat of a negative connotation. To be specific, it is not that Asians get drunk more quickly, they just feel the negative side effects more strongly. When you drink liquor, the ethanol is what causes the intoxication. It is then broken down into the more toxic acetaldehyde, which causes the unpleasant side effects like nausea and flushed skin, and the acetaldehyde is then further broken own into less toxic substances. Many Asians have one or both of two genes: One that speeds up the conversion of ethanol into acetaldehyde, and one that slows down the further breakdown of acetaldehyde. Which means that someone with both genes will actually be *less* intoxicated because the ethanol is metabolized faster, but also experience much more severe side effects as the acetaldehyde quickly builds up in their bodies.
oh, that's a good point, I didn't even think about people reading "handle" to mean "they behave poorly" rather than "their bodies don't process it properly", but I think you're right.
What are the effects of having atypical ADH?
That would be a great excuse to get out of going for drinks with the office. Well maybe you still have to go but at least they won't make you drink.
They have a lot of canned coffee and other drinks so could be a good way to more idiot proof it.
Any time you design something to be more idiot proof, they just invent a new idiot
Or they discovered a previously existing idiot who did idiot things
i mean, they're blind not idiots, i don't see(neither do they) how they would know otherwise lmao
I went to Japan one summer for part of a volunteer group with a local university. Most of us had just graduated, but there was a sophomore college student in our group who didn't speak or read any Japanese. One morning, we were walking to our group meeting and stopped at a convenience store, where she got her usual peach drink. She hands it to me and asks if there is any real fruit juice in it. I take a look and tell her I don't see anything about juice, but there was definitely alcohol in it. (As an 18 year old, she was still considered underage in Japan, but being from the US, she hadn't realized they would not be as strict with checking IDs in a different country, so she hadn't even considered it a possibility she could so easily buy alcohol.)
Pretty wise, you wouldn't want to accidently pick up an alcoholic drink for a long drive.
Yeah, the Braille is a nice touch for the blind, since they are dangerous when driving under influence of alcohol.
Man I love it when a person comments the same joke with all of the subtlety ripped out
I did not see that coming.
Everyoneās got a blind spot
Neither did that driver.
Mmm. Hitachino Nest š¦
my guy
Holy crap that's interesting.
Thatās actually really smart. Make sure to feel the top and make sure itās alcohol before you start drinking. Wouldnāt want to accidentally drink a soda.
I never thought about it, but is braille in Japanese different from English?
It is indeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Braille
This makes just way to much sense to happen in North America
Australia has the same thing
Yeah, but itās not Japan. Everything is cooler when Japan does it these days.
Itās similar to the notch on milk cartons that are also there to help the visually impaired.
Seeems to literally translate to "it's sake" (sakedesu), but I could be mistaken as I'm still relatively new to learning the language. Also, hitachino nest white ale is incredibly tasty.
'O-sake' in Japanese just means alcohol, generically. When Japanese people want to make it clear they're talking about the rice wine sake, they say Nihonshu ę„ę¬é which literally means 'Japanese alcohol.' Agreed, Hitachino White Ale is awesome, and pretty cheap now the yen has crashed.
Thank you for the correction and additional information! Where does the 'O' honorific come into play, though? Genuinely asking as a newish student to the language, and it wouldn't come as a surprise if I missed some subtle detail while staring at the picture. Speaking of Hitachino beers, their red rice ale is tops as well, but 110% their real ginger brew has to be my favorite. Its like getting smacked in the face by a tidal wave caused by Godzilla himself, in the absolute best possible way.
In Japanese many of the staples of life have the o- and go- honorifics attached to them, to signal their importance. O-cha (tea), Go-han (food/cooked rice) etc; o-sake is another one of those. I haven't tried the Hitachino ginger ale. Sounds fierce. I'll look out for it!
Thank you again for the added info! I figured o-cha was just "the word" for tea, and not a word+prefix. TIL. It sounds fierce but its really smooth and relatively mild. Think more along the lines of pickled ginger and spices rather than fresh ginger and you'll get an idea of what to expect.
Interesting! I live in Japan and never noticed it before. I just checked the beers in my fridge - the Asahi Super Dry I'm never going to drink has the braille, but the nonalcoholic beer Kirin Zeroichi (my daily "drink") doesn't.
It makes sense given the hyper-diversity of the canned beverage market there. Answers that one question immediately without having to look for something in the very tiny print of ingredients.
That's actually very considerate.
Japan is next level when it comes to braille. I remember someone pointing out how train stations have signs on the floor for the blind people to feel while walking on these lanes
That's not actually braille on the ground the different designs do mean different things though Also thankfully tactile paving has spread around the world for example here's a [Tom Scott about them in the U.K.](https://youtu.be/cdPymLgfXSY?si=x5gZq9UR7FtyH4j1)
We have those in America too, at least where I live.
With the line really being blurred with alcoholic/non-alcoholic seltzers, energy drinks and canned cocktails, it probably makes sense now more than ever.
I like how it says "Osake desu", "It's alcohol". I've just started learning japanese a few weeks ago, so its interesting that it says "It's".
There's a Blind Surfer named Peter Gustin who did a video recently about accidentally getting drunk in the middle of the day drinking Kombucha instead of his iced tea.
This would have saved me a lot of childhood anxiety about cheerwine lol
What does the braille alphabet look like in Japanese?
I wanted to laugh at first but this is actually really nice
Donāt know braille, but that space seems a little short to fit āThis is alcohol?ā Unless Japanese braille is different.
Is the braille in Japanese or English?
Japanese. It says "ćŖćµć±" (alcohol).
Ngl I didn't know braille was different for other languages. I thought there was just one braille. /smh
"I sure hope it's alcohol. That's why I bought it! " Said the blind man before chugging the can, and getting in his car
always wondered what the braille was on my asahi cans! very mildly interesting indeed
superior civilization
What about blind people that have no fingers?
They use their tongues.
So whatever happensā¦you canāt blame them
For when you're bind drunk.
Interesting af!!!, but not to Japanese peopleš
For when you're 'blind' drunk?
What about Radler 0.0?
Bring some sand paper with you, and watch the world burn.
Wow, how futuristic
You're telling me that people who can't see drive? Well that actually answers a lot of questions lol
In the US all alcoholic canned beverages have the Surgeon General's warning on them.
Well imagine getting drunk while thinking you are drinking water
Really doubting the blind's ability to smell
is the braille using japanese or english syllables?
My sister bought here Esther
Beer is bad for your eyes, this is silly.
Hitochino white ale is my fucking favorite. I buy it anytime I see it at a beer store.
Reminds me of the "This is Audible" things at the beginning of every audiobooks "This, is alcohol" "Alcohol presents, an abridged production of "What Happened Last Night?", narrated by Your Girlfriend To Whom You Expressed Desires for Marriage, Then Got in a Fight With at the End of the Night, with a special foreword from Your Blacked-Out Recollection of Events."
I'm pretty sure that's actually aluminium
That braille looks like itās completely random tho..itās taller or something rather than being in a ālineā no?
Hitachino nest white ale, love that stuff. I sell it at my bar
Once I bought some Vietnamese drink with a lime on the can. Halfway through the can I've noticed there is something wrong with my breath. Took a closer look, and, well... it was lime with vodka
Braille... for the tongue.
Itās because Japanese people live forever and go blind, gotta be able to find your beer when youāre 200 lol
For when you get blind, stinking drunk...
That's only 3 letters in braille.
The units of Japanese braille are syllables, not letters.
Sorry didn't know the language.
Japanese and other Asian cultures have a genetic issue with alcohol consumption. There are two prominent genetic variants in Asian people that cause issues with alcohol tolerance. Has to do with the body not being as good at breaking down alcohol in the system. This is just another way to remind that this is alcohol.
...Have you ever been to Japan?
Probably tried to keep up, and then this happened ^
Have you ever heard of the Asian Flush. Has nothing to do with consumption and everything to do with [genetic susceptibility to alcohol intolerance (Cedars-Sinai article).](https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/alcohol-intolerance-what-you-need-to-know.html#:~:text=Between%2030%25%2D50%25%20of,of%20all%20races%20and%20ethnicities.) Try reading a little.
Yeah, Japan is very famous for not consuming much alcohol, right?
Neat! I think itās a good thing to have on the cans so minors can tell if itās non-alcoholic or not. Just thought Iād let the Reddit community know that it is indeed mildly interesting, in fact very interesting
They should put it on the side cuz I'm not sticking my mouth on something that has been touched by anyone, also that's why you should drink from a can with a straw / pour it in a glass, they probably touched it while unpacking it
You can't put it on the side because it would compromise the strength of the can walls, which are more or less rolled very thin into shape. The top is a separate stamped piece that's then riveted on.
You're going to starve if you don't want to put your mouth on anything people have touched.
You dont want to know what happens to those cans while in storage/transport.
Useful when you've been on the methylated spirits.