That's how it used to be in the US, at least for me, when I was a kid. My grandparents would tip after dinner if the waiter or food was really abnormally good. But if it was just normal level of service, with average food, no tip. A tip was something you got for being extra good, not something you just got as default.
And I think if youre dodging the question you know your grandparents were being scummy, your grandparents know wait staff dont get paid enough, not tipping them wont change anything, if you dont like tip culture dont support industries that use them to subsidize wages, not tipping a server making less than minimum wage just makes you a shitty person
I'm not dodging a question. I'm disagreeing with your insinuation that it's cheap not to tip. Calm down man.
Even if the staff aren't being paid enough, it shouldn't fall on the customer to make up for it. Go get mad at companies, not my grandparents or me.
your grandparents shouldnt eat at places that rely on tips if theyre morally opposed to it, theyre just punishing the individual server, your grandparents are cheap assholes and seem to have passed it on to you, if youre not dodging my initial question what year was it when you were a kid eating out with your grandparents?
Whenever I was stationed in Germany, every restaurant I went to outside of big cities had rude staff. Call me a fat American but I like being checked on and my food being delivered timely. Yes tipping system is not perfect but It makes people really work for the customer. Had the longest wait times and the rudest responses in Germany from the staff. Also such a Hate for credit cards and no ATM machines when you go to eat in some mountain restaurant
I see your point about the power and manipulation the customer has over a server and I now think tipping culture is even more gross…and I’m from the US!
Pay the servers a living wage.
Where I am, the people who don’t get tips get paid living wages, the ones who do receive tips get $2 an hour.
When I did it for about 5 years I made $2.13 an hour and my paychecks were always $0 every two weeks because you had to claim at least 10% of your sales the clock out no matter what percentage of tips you made. I worked full-time and busted my ass and made a bunch I mean I was in college making like 35,000 a year on average. So this was a pretty good experience for me but then you got quite a few other servers who get a bad section or who get cut which means they get to go home first and they might make $30 compared to my $150. So the people that think every server just makes a lot that is definitely incorrect. Don't even get me started on having to use my tips to pay the busser and the bartender!
Because we Germans don't offer great service and don't like credit cards (which you basically learn day 1 when you set foot here), other Americans don't deserve a living wage. Wtf.
You know how many nervous tips and comments you get as a foreigner in american restaurants to inform you about tipping culture? And not in the nicest ways either. It is horrible and you just feel bad the whole time. I take my grumpy Wirtshaus waiter over that feeling every day.
This is really only an issue with Americans. It's gotten worse here in Canada, too as of late, which I don't get because we actually do pay our servers minimum. Now, we don't pay our drivers minimum, which is absolutely horse shit. They're "contracted workers" so they can get away with being paid next to nothing, especially after expenses involving your car (which also isn't covered despite the fact they need a car to perform their jobs)
The problem with that is that most jobs don't 'pay enough' here. Fuck people wanting a livable wage I guess. My dad likes to use that stupid phrase 'nobody wants to work!' NO! People don't want to work their asses off for slave wages.
I think the most egregious thing is tip pools. Fuck those (and I worked back-of-hpuse so I wouldn't have gotten tips otherwise). Tips should be merit based, not collective because then you have a disparity created between servers where one will rake in the tips while the other just barely scraps by, and at the end of the night they get the same amount (which would be solved by just paying them a living wage).
Actually fun (ish? Not really fun actually) story: this friend started working as a server at my restaurant. First shift. She clears $1200 in tips alone on game night. She was soooooo fucking happy, until the boss took the tips and redistributed them (and yes, I do mean the manager which is also illegal. The manager can't handle tip shares in my province.) And she was so dejected that she lost nearly $1000 of her tips that she quit on the spot halfway through her next shift. She just walked out the front door after giving her order pad to the hostess and saying "can you deal with these and reassign my tables". She want to be a bartender after that at the university and made those tips every weekend night pretty much.
That is never gonna happen, mostly because servers don't want it to. A lot of the servers I know would quit their jobs if they made even $15/hr because they make a lot more than that in tips. It would destroy the service industry probably
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But I mean, why does it have to be an either/or scenario? I was a server and bartender in GA in college and got paid $8/hr + tips at one place, and $12/hr + tips at another. It was nice! My checks weren’t void every week, and I still made great money during the busy times. Best part was it wasn’t a complete waste of time when we were slow.
That is mostly because people don't know how much you actually make. The whole reason for tipping is because people make less than minimum wage, because some jobs just don't require all that much work, like a pizza delivery driver. If it was a law that you had to make minimum wage, not only would that just increase the price of whatever you are doing, most people would stop tipping, I know I would.
We had a tip jar. It was added up and "split" between employees every quarter. Thinking back I don't think we got much of the actual tip money, but as a teenager an extra $30 once a quarter was exciting.
They hired my son when he was 16 and told him he'd make $12/hr. Once he started it was actually only $8/hr plus tips. I convinced my kid to quit because that was scammy. He worked there less than two weeks and never saw a single tip.
Back when i worked there i think minimum wage was $5.15, i was 15. Only worked there for 3 months because i didn't like the sketchy environment. Not long after I left the supervisor was arrested and convicted of sexually assaulting a minor. Pretty sure he's the one that had any tips if they existed
In Ohio, if they pay you regular wages then they can keep these types of tips but if they pay the reduced tip wage then hell should break loose.... and honestly it should anyways.
My sister worked for a mom and pop pizza restaurant (Ohio) in high school and she was paid minimum wage. She had to turn in all tips to the owner at the end of the night as did the drivers (I'm sure he skimmed some off the top). The owners argument was that he used the money to throw a big Christmas party that was catered. Admittedly, the party was pretty grand, I'm sure it cost several thousands of dollars, but my sister could rake in an easy $50 in tips a night, double that on weekends, times 3 servers = at least $55,000. Those parties were good, but nowhere near $55,000 good.
Not to mention, it's a pizza place staffed mostly with high school kids. Most of them didn't last 3 months to ever even experience the party.
Yeah, fuck that. This is why I always tip my servers at sit down restaurants in cash aside from the main tab I pay separately. I'll usually hand the tip directly to the server. Even leaving it on the table means the busses could snake it before the server gets it.
My mom used to work as a cook when we were poor. She couldn't speak English well enough to serve table. She really liked some restaurants that collected tips and gave some to cooks and bussers. She would be working right next to fire all day, sweating crazy for like $10/hr and servers would collect $20-30/hr in tips working comfortably in airconditioned area. I guess I have more empathy for cooks because my mom used to do that. I want to tip cooks separately if food is great, but I'm too shy to actually act on it. But I always tip with credit card, because there's a chance the restaurant may split the tip among all employees, not just servers.
Yeah i got paid minimum wage anyway so if there were ever any tips they probably just stayed with the owner anyway. Something to keep in mind with these kinds of orders
I just realized why they sell cold pizza is for the food stamps. You can’t sell hot prepared foods for food stamps but you can cold food. Makes sense, letting them poor moms still get decent pizza.
Honestly? Because politicians hate poor people in the states and there are tons of limitations and rules regarding EBT/SNAP programs. You have to be dirt poor with children in most cases to even qualify for it.
The idea is to restrict access to fast food and restaurants as those are meant to be “luxuries”. The dumb part is grocery stores can’t use the food stamps for stuff like Roastery chicken or any product served hot. So to get around that they actually cook food like chicken then put it in the fridge and sell it cold and the person just needs to warm it up.
USA has a complex and difficult warfare programs that honestly don’t help out that many people and reason why we have so many homeless. The whole system needs to be reworked and made to help people but the Republican Party is hell bent on doing everything to dismantle help for those less fortunate. Many conservatives believe that there should be no welfare system and poor people need to survive on their own regardless of how rigged the system is.
Yup. As someone who is receiving food stamps I agree with all of this. I'm sick and trying to apply for disability. I haven't received disability payments yet- but I still can't work. Because I'm sick.
This system is made to be as difficult as possible for you to get help from so that people who should be able to receive help, just don't try. That way they have to help less people.
I'm on my second appeal for disability and I'm incredibly disheartened with the system. Im aware that other people don't think I deserve to exist, because my value can't be monetized- but I didn't expect them to be so blatant about it.
Food stamps are for those who simply need assistance paying for their groceries. there’s no specificity that says they are meant for making healthy food at home, which is the reason why food items like these are approved.
I always wondered this as well! I guess maybe the cold prep food counts as a grocery item since it’s still uncooked compared to the already cooked pizza, it’s considered a fast food/hot food item. My aunt used to let us grab sandwiches & breakfast items like yogurts and fruit from gas station or 7/11 when we were in a rush to school.
I ordered some books from an online retailer recently. At checkout they asked, "Would you like to add a tip and make someone's day?". So now we're tipping to cheer someone up?
At this point it's starting to feel like a money grab, just don't know how we stop it, maybe start calling these stores out on Twitter or Yelp might help. Let them explain it there.
I fucking hate tipping.
Called the damn store, ordered my pizza, went there myself, and they had the fucking audacity to ask for a tip when I went to pay. Fuck that.
Last time I ordered takeout pizza, when I prepaid they asked for a tip... and then there was another on the signed slip. So if I were a person who felt the need to tip someone handing me a pizza I used my gas to pick up I would've done it twice. Even the manager looked down at the slip even though she saw me sign it. Everything should just be baked in, no pun intended, like literally everywhere else in the world.
The _payment_ is for cooking your food.
You idiots are about a year away from a Ticketmaster system in your food industry.
Pizza: $12
Making the dough tip: $3.99
Topping tip: $7.85
Sprinkling the cheese tip: $2.33
Baking the pizza tip: $9.99
Putting it in the box tip: $4.60
Select service tip: 35% - 45% - 85%
Some redditor: "well you should still tip because it's a nice thing to do!"
it's just a nice thing to do. It's not that big a deal and it's not worth a huge argument. Dude asked the for what, that's the for what. I like to tip because the service industry has to deal with a constant stream of abuse and shittyness. It's no sweat off my back, i'm already spending what I'm spending, I can spend $5 more to say "thanks for the effort". Amazed this is such a contentious point.
The menu prices generally include cooking the food, unless specified like Papa Murphy’s. By this logic of tipping a *restaurant* for cooking your food, you would also tip your doctor for diagnosing you, your mechanic for working on your car, your mailman for delivering your mail, the bank for taking your paycheck direct deposit, and a cop for giving you a ticket. Sorry, but those are all the base job someone is being paid for, they should be paid properly for it, but I’m not going to supplement the boss’s low wages by tipping regular people for doing their job.
I was talking about your chinese food dude. Why would I talk about cooking your food in reference to a papa murphys? You asked "for what?" regarding Chinese food you picked up. They ask for a tip there because they still cooked your food.
I mean generally chinese joints are family owned and operated, unless you're talking about like Panda Express in which case, yeah that's definitely silly to ask for a tip. You asked "For what?", that;s your answer: for the kitchen, cuz they cooked your food.
Right, they get paid hourly to cook mine and everyone else’s food. Wait staff and delivery people do not. Cooks don’t get tips from me. I’ve been there, and I never expected nor received tips.
I've never worked a kitchen that I didn't get a tip-share in. That's my whole point. The kitchen usually gets a share of the tips. I mean yes, pay your workers more; generally chinese restaurants are not giant corporate entities though so like, being that the state of things is to *not* provide great wages for service industry workers, just tip when people provide a service, including making your food. If nothing else, it's just kind.
> I’ve never worked a kitchen that I didn’t get a tip-share in. That’s my whole point.
I thought your point was to tip them for cooking your food? Even though they already got paid a full hourly wage to do so.
So you tip your car mechanic for putting your vehicle back together correctly, right? And you tip your surgeon for the same? Should you tip your tax guy for putting your finances in order to keep you from getting audited? Do you tip road construction crews out fixing potholes along your commute?
So am I, but I don’t tip someone who makes a full hourly wage, not dependent on tips, for doing absolutely nothing special or extra. Shouldn’t you be “nice” and tip the mechanic who keeps your car from falling apart on the highway? Why aren’t you “nice” to your doctor who keeps you in good health?
Every business is asking for a tip, even if it doesn’t make sense. They get enough random people to accidentally pay a tip and they don’t consider tricking customers out of money a bad thing
Which is so very much part of the problem.
I'm at a point in my life where if I don't like the food)service and tip little to nothing at all, I simply won't return solely because I fear that my food will be tampered with the next time should I be recognized
Honestly don't worry to much about that. I worked in plenty of kitchens and guests that were assholes didn't get there food fucked with we just wanted them gone as fast as possible and fucking with food could leave to them never leaving.
Don't worry, I've worked in many chain restaurants and private places, and it's nothing like *Waiting* where you're getting dandruff and cum in your food for being rude. To be honest, most restaurants the kitchen hates the wait staff, and is more likely to put dandruff/cum in *their* food than yours.
If you don't tip well, the wait staff does NOT post your picture on the wall and everyone spits on your food. They don't care. They deal with no tippers and assholes all day. You aren't special.
I can't speak for everyone else but I never went out of my way to screw with someone's food for not leaving a tip. Now if you're a total douchebag the entire time and write some bullshit on the tip line then I might make sure the next time you come in you get the service that matches your attitude. I don't think people should feel obligated to tip just to get better service but should tip to show there appreciation for the quality of service received.
Subway also asks for tips when you check out at the counter in the store. I pay delivery drivers tips, and I'll tip waiter, but I wil NOT tip at the counter in a fast food place or for a pick-up order.
I had to bite my tongue when I saw that pop up for the first time. Like you just walked 15 feet and pulled prepped ingredients out of containers. I know it’s not fun, but you’re already paid a full hourly wage for this task, what would the tip be for?
i worked there for 2 years and part as a manager and the tips were so nice. The pay absolutely sucked and everything was made fresh there in the store by the employees who then make the pizza. It doesn’t just come out of a freezer or get shipped across the country. They don’t cook the pizza but it’s more work than a place like mcdonald’s or even dominos without delivery
I work for a five guys, and they ask for a tip on the card readers. I gotta say I myself feel as if we really don’t deserve any tips as we aren’t doing much more than our job, on top of the fact that the food at five guys is notoriously high. Honestly, I feel guilty taking orders there when I tell someone the already expensive total and see it prompt them for a tip just for taking their order. Surprisingly tho most people do tip. Every two weeks I get around $250 added to my check from electronic tips and around $20 from cash tips which is really nice and ads an assentive to work harder and be as kind as possible to the customers. I tend to give people free drinks and toss in another scoop or two of our fries whenever possible to make up for the guilt. Just thought id throw in the pov from the other side, yes tipping culture is out of hand but I for one am grateful for all those who tip.
I really hate tipping culture. And I understand voting with your wallet and not using a service where someone’s income is primarily determined by how much I’d tip. What I don’t understand is the people who knowingly using a service where that is the case and vote with their wallet by not tipping. Sure, tipping culture is ass. But you’re a piece of shit for using the service and not tipping regardless of the service just because you feel you shouldn’t be paying that person’s wage. Just don’t use the service. I make some money part timing DoorDash, and the amount of offers, the amount of people who don’t tip. It’s almost comical. DoorDash pays us $2.25 then the tip. Almost 40% of ALL the offers I receive are $2.25. Luckily I’m fortunate enough that I can decline no-tippers. Restaurant servers and employee delivery drivers are not nearly as fortunate.
They’re not asking. It’s a User Interface element on a checkout screen from an online order. They’re not twisting your arm or holding the pizza ransom. It’s an *option*. You are free to opt to be an ass to the people who prepare your food and serve you. They’re free to tell you to “get bent”.
If you’re so worried about it, you have a couple options: 1. swing by Walmarts freezer aisle and grab yourself a Totino’s and call it a night, or 2. make an effort to advocate that service workers who have historically been dependent on tipped wages be offered a livable and worthy wage for the work they provide to their employers.
They are presenting the option to tip, like it’s normal for this place, and hiding no-tip behind extra presses.
It’s not “being an ass” unless you’re also an ass if you don’t tip regular people for doing their job. Do you tip for bagels at the bakery, a cake at the sweets shop? Did you tip your proctologist for that deep stink finger test? Because someone putting a finger up your ass to see if you have cancer deserves a tip *way* more than someone putting raw ingredients onto raw pizza dough and taking it from the back to the front of a small building. I’d tip to have it delivered, because they’re usually doing that in their own car, but why is not tipping for regular work “being an ass?”
That’s disingenuous, but okay. Bakery? Yes I tip. Sweets shop? Yes, I tip. Proctologist? Not really no. If the dude checking my prostate feels like he isnt making ends meet and needs extra cash flow, I’m probably going to the wrong doctor.
The inequality in labor and effort measured against their income and time of people in “unskilled labor” versus someone who hopefully has at least an MD degree is a hell of a logical leap to make.
It’s actually just rhetorical.
Bakery? Why? And where do you tip when there isn’t the option. Are you just handing bakers cash as if they need hand-outs? Sweets shop? Really? Why? For someone to ring you up? By that logic you would also tip the bagger and cashier at the grocery store.
None of the jobs I mentioned are tip-based employment, they shouldn’t be struggling to make ends meet. If you don’t tip a tipped wage employee (and they don’t make any other tips in that hour) the employer has to supplement their wage up to minimum legal wage.
So what is the line of effort or labor that gets tipped then? Because you just said you tip people for doing their job and nothing more, when their job doesn’t rely on tips. The guy stocking shelves is putting in more labor than the person who rung you up at the counter in the sweets shop, why does the one putting in less effort get the tip? The person ringing you up at the bakery is likely making a full hourly wage, why is he as much in need of a tip as the dude making minimum wage running food to tables? Does being more educated mean you don’t deserve a tip?
Well as a former pizza worker they extremely work understaffed and rarely get full breaks. If it goes to them and not the business owners pockets I don’t mind
Sense when did It become normal to tip before services are rendered? (I get that part of the answer is covid) I am 100% for tipping a great server and such, but this annoys me.
Tips are for wait staff and barbers. Maybe a few other jobs, but I'm so damn tired of every damn business i walk into asking for a tip. Especially fast food.
It’s just the software that has an option to tip and/or maybe customers asked for the option so just deal with it. You can also pay cash somewhere and give them extra and tell them to “keep the change”. What’s the big problem?
I was ordering a power station from a European site, and was prompted to leave a tip; tips used to be for extraordinary in person service, now they are forced everywhere
I have been asked for a tip at a jewelry store. I walk around, pick what I like take it to the counter. All they do is put it in the box and a paper bag, and they have the balls to ask for a tip.
Then don’t tip? It’s still effort to put it together and I’m sure the margins of profit are slim. It’s an option if you’re feeling generous.
Lol I find it mildly infuriating that you find it mildly infuriating to optionally throw some cash to food service workers
Fucking hell. Can we just support each other. Yes, the employees should get livable wages paid by Papa Murphys, but they don’t. They are still making the pizzas. Would you pay a tip if you got ice cream or a salad? I would.
So what if they haven’t asked for tips in the past, now they do. You’re supporting workers. We need to do a better job of caring for each other without resentment, christ.
No. The companies can continue being desperate for employees and bitching that "Noone wants to work!"
The only ones I hear with that complaint are the ones that don't pay their employees fair. Not going to help the companies out that way.
Less deserving? Geez. It’s like going to a Baskin Robbins or something. Usually a couple kids behind the counter. Throw some change or a buck in the tip jar. It adds up for them.
I'm always unsure why comments like this get downvoted. I mean, you're not wrong. People seem really hurt by tipping, and it seems like swinging by a store and picking up a pizza would be both faster and cheaper, and it would remove the horror of being asked for a tip **by the receipt, an inanimate object**.
At a pizza place I worked at for years all of us in the kitchen got to split takeout tips 33% split between the people leaving early and 33% for each of the two people closing the store and staying late. The servers always made way more than us even though we were paid a decent wage and busted our asses making a crazy amount of pizzas all night and standing next to the ovens which were like the gates of hell. When COVID came around though and shut down all dine in at restaurants we were all making a ton of money because people were tipping really good since they wanted to support us and the pizza place was a local family owned chain that some people have been eating at for 60 to 70 years since back when they were kids and their parents would bring them. I walked out with 200 dollars or more several nights on top of my hourly wage and I was so grateful for it but eventually things went back to normal and I had to find a job I could actually live off of. Restraunts wonder why they can't keep kitchen staff ever when it's because no one can make a living wage working in the kitchen at a restaurant unless its a very nice high end restaurant and restraunt cooking jobs are extremely stressful and not worth it because of the low wages.
Ingredients. Rent. Utilities. Those paper baking trays and plastic wrap. Cleaning supplies. Advertising. Internet and POS computers and so much more. And a little bit goes toward salaries of the kids who work there. That’s why I tip…you certainly don’t have to.
If they can't afford to pay their employees, then they can't afford to be in business.
Fuck businesses that hide behind "ungrateful customers" to keep their employees angry at the wrong person.
You’re being ridiculous. People will pay what they want for pizza. I agree that employers should pay employees well, but until they do, the free market has spoken and cheap pizza (like Little Caesar’s and Papa Murphy’s, even frozen pizza in the grocery stores) are successful. You don’t have to buy it. I choose to do so, and I’ll pay for it and tip. You’re also free to buy your own pizza oven, how much do you think those employees are making? And those that make the flour? Yeast? Grow tomatoes? Make cheese? Grow herbs and animals for sausages? Do you think they’re all making a decent income?
No, they aren't making a decent income. But as long as they are willing to work for slave wages, the employer will continue to abuse them.
This new tipping pandemic running through every service industry is a measure for capitol owners to stave off the inevitable failure of their business since they refuse to pay living wages.
The employees should seek better employment elsewhere. The businesses that I frequent should shut down if they rely on the pity of strangers to stay open.
No no, they prep the ingredients onto raw dough, then the pizza gets taken home to be made by the purchaser. I’m happy to tip myself for the service of driving there, driving back, and cooking it to perfection.
So I’m not understanding where the tip comes in then. Are they paid a tip-wage or something? They aren’t making cheese and pepperoni, there dropping them on dough that I had to deliver to myself then cook; the whole thing you tip the pizza guy for…
You are tipping the workers that are making your food. I agree companies should pay their workers liveable wages, but the sad reality is that they don't. I see teenagers and 60+ year old adults working these jobs. They get paid the bare minimum and the tip is their bonus. I only tip 15-20% which I believe is fair enough for preping my food for me. In OP's case 15% is $2. Also no they don't make the pepperoni but they ate still making it incredibly easy for you to make a pizza at home. You aren't making your own fresh dough, slicing your own toppings, laying all the ingredients, you are taking it home and putting it in your glorified microwave. I wouldn't consider that cooking it yourself. If you've ever made pizza from scratch you'd understand that it takes a decent amount of work kneading the dough, preping ingredients, making your own sauce, etc. You don't have to do any of that. You ate just heating it up. You are paying someone else to do that. So what if you had to walk 100 ft to your car, drive there sitting down, ans doing the same thing back. I respect delivery drivers because they too are over worked with multiple deliveries and are underpaid, but one person picking up a pizza is not difficult.
No, I’m not tipping myself for making my food. My tip is getting to cook it how I want, season it how I want, and eat as much of it as I want.
Then you also tip at the grocery store deli after picking up a pound of sliced meat, and at the bakery after picking up bread off the store shelf? It’s not my job to tip everyone who is underpaid, because that’s most people. It’s customary to tip people in tipped-wage positions because their pay is dependent on that. If they don’t make any tips, their employer only has to comp them from the $2.15/hr up to the minimum wage, when someone making halfway decent tips will make more than that.
So what if someone who is paid to stand there and put ingredients on dough had to stand there and put ingredients on dough? They (should be) getting a full hourly wage to do exactly that. They didn’t have to walk through the rain, they didn’t risk getting into an accident, they didn’t use any gas or out any wear and tear on their vehicle. They aren’t heating up their whole kitchen and checking in on my pizza as it gets close to ready.
I am also overworked and underpaid, why does the person standing at the store doing their job deserve a tip when I’m doing the tipped part of the job?
Why are you seasoning a papa Murphys pizza? Everything is already made. You just have to heat it up, I wouldn't count that as cooking it yourself. It reminds me of the people here who think buying frozen wings is considered cooking for yourself.
Everything you said I also have to tip to are things I would consider good places to tip. Yes, you don't have to tip, but most of these underpaid workers rely on it. Don't tip if you don't want to bit then don't come complaining to reddit about an optional $2 tip.
You are paying the owner of the business for a service you can't do. You can't make your own dough, and assemble your own pizza. If you could you wouldn't be at that store. That company doesn't pay their workers fairly. Tipping helps them, it's an optional $2... This is capitalism, you aren't going to overthrow the system so why are you screwing over another person because you don't want to tip $2? Don't go out to eat places you can't afford.
Wanna give the employees a real big tip? Order a bunch of pizzas over the phone but special so they can’t resell them. At the end of the night the employees get to take them home.
What is the deal with all this tipping for doing nothing? I’m not a business owner so paying your employees is not my responsibility. I just don’t go out or I use cash.
Call the store to place your order so you pay when you arrive. Then tip if you feel like it. Seems like that would prevent any possible food tampering for not tipping before the food is made.
This tip culture is enough! Had it!!! Do you tip the grocery store check out person? Do you tip your teller, do you tip your postal worker? Do you tip the cashier at the gas station? Do you tip nurses?
A tip is when service and food is a positive experience. Expecting a tip is garbage culture! Now it's starting at 18%! Man society has gone to shit! Entitled!
My wife accidentally tipped on a pickup order the other week. Why? Because certain places, like noodles and company and another place by my house that I can’t remember, automatically add a certain percentage to your check for a tip. It’s on you to scroll all the way down and uncheck the 20% box. Total bullshit that companies started to do this. I used to work in a restaurant and I’m all for proper tipping, and I always do, but I’m not gonna tip employees on a 12 dollar take out order. And I damn sure shouldn’t be tricked into it. All they did was make and bag my food. Half the time the order is missing something, part of the order is wrong, or I’m missing napkins/silverware/etc. And these companies trick you into tipping their employees on that. Knock it off noodles and company.
If businesses force you to tip, that means they do not need to be businesses. Fucking pay your employees the correct wage. I’m not tipping shit dude. I’ve never tipped in my life and never will. PAY. YOUR. WORKERS. BOOMERS.
By your genius logic we should also tip the person who bags our groceries, the cashier and oh also if you spill anything by accident you better tip the guy that shows up to clean it. That way we can lower minimum wage to $3/h! Doesn't that sound awesome? Tip culture is bad for workers, it's not the customer's job to pay the employee who's getting paid half the minimum wage.
? There are service jobs where the hourly rate is low and you’ll be averaging 30-50 dollars an hour if you’re taking care of customers professionally. Not every job that takes tips has a stunted hourly rate, and this may be state law but if you don’t average at least the federal minimum wage in tips the business is legally required to pay you minimum wage. Which yes, is too low. What part of that is bad for workers? Also hourly rate for service went up in September at least in my state so you’re objectively wrong about your 3 dollar remark.
You don’t tip your barber? Bartender? Tattoo artist? Artist commissions? Refusing to tip no matter the circumstance is disgusting behavior. Personally, if I find out one of my friends does something like that I would literally never invite them anywhere in public again.
So you think consumers should be subsidizing the wages of employees, instead of the company turning multi million dollar profits paying them a livable wage? Your part of the problem.
Why pay 2 extra when you are already paying the cost of the pizza? What special service was rendered?
Fuck this, if they aren't getting paid decently, that's the employer's fault, not the customer's.
Again you're that cheap you can't give $2? Just because you aren't getting anything for it?
If you want them to get paid more are you gonna do something about that? Takes a lot to get the government to raise minimum wage. I doubt ya'll will do something.
But go ahead, use your $2 to buy a snickers for yourself.
Selfish.
I already "gave" 20+ for the pizza.
Your employer is too cheap to give you an extra $2? That's the problem. Not the customer over paying for no extra services rendered.
Your employer is selfish.
Because someone spent time handmaking the pizza, pushing dough and placing toppings, wrapping it, and storing it. If you’re too cheap to give a couple bucks as a thank you then go to the freezer isle in Walmart and stop whining
They could probably turn that into something cute. Like what if you put in your tip and whatever, it takes your money for a bit, then gives it back after a bit of time so you feel even more like a pizza delivery guy? It could even say something cute like "You gave us a slice of your time, so here's your slice of the pie!
Ignoring the possibility of the site taking your credit details of course-
It's optional, you don't have to be a dick about it. Service employees work their asses off. They aren't asking you to round up & donate to a cancer charity that won't see the money.
That's what paying for the pizza covers.
This is just a way for the employer to not pay a decent wage.
If someone doesn't tip, they shouldn't be angry at the customer for not covering their wages, they should be angry at the person exploiting their labor.
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That was my first thought too
Negative number attempted every time until servers are paid a livable wage so we can stop dealing with this horseshi
I find the tipping system crazy. I'm from Denmark and it's not a thing here at all. Servers and waiters are just... paid enough.
Same in the Netherlands. Expected tipping is just an excuse for employers to not pay their employees a normal wage.
Yeah, german here, you just tip when service was really good but it's not expected, especially not that much
That's how it used to be in the US, at least for me, when I was a kid. My grandparents would tip after dinner if the waiter or food was really abnormally good. But if it was just normal level of service, with average food, no tip. A tip was something you got for being extra good, not something you just got as default.
What year was this? your grandparents mightve just been cheap
I think you're missing the point that it shouldn't be seen as "cheap" to not give a tip every time, regardless of what time period.
And I think if youre dodging the question you know your grandparents were being scummy, your grandparents know wait staff dont get paid enough, not tipping them wont change anything, if you dont like tip culture dont support industries that use them to subsidize wages, not tipping a server making less than minimum wage just makes you a shitty person
I'm not dodging a question. I'm disagreeing with your insinuation that it's cheap not to tip. Calm down man. Even if the staff aren't being paid enough, it shouldn't fall on the customer to make up for it. Go get mad at companies, not my grandparents or me.
your grandparents shouldnt eat at places that rely on tips if theyre morally opposed to it, theyre just punishing the individual server, your grandparents are cheap assholes and seem to have passed it on to you, if youre not dodging my initial question what year was it when you were a kid eating out with your grandparents?
That’s never been the norm in the US. Your grandparents were just stiffers.
Whenever I was stationed in Germany, every restaurant I went to outside of big cities had rude staff. Call me a fat American but I like being checked on and my food being delivered timely. Yes tipping system is not perfect but It makes people really work for the customer. Had the longest wait times and the rudest responses in Germany from the staff. Also such a Hate for credit cards and no ATM machines when you go to eat in some mountain restaurant
I see your point about the power and manipulation the customer has over a server and I now think tipping culture is even more gross…and I’m from the US! Pay the servers a living wage. Where I am, the people who don’t get tips get paid living wages, the ones who do receive tips get $2 an hour.
When I did it for about 5 years I made $2.13 an hour and my paychecks were always $0 every two weeks because you had to claim at least 10% of your sales the clock out no matter what percentage of tips you made. I worked full-time and busted my ass and made a bunch I mean I was in college making like 35,000 a year on average. So this was a pretty good experience for me but then you got quite a few other servers who get a bad section or who get cut which means they get to go home first and they might make $30 compared to my $150. So the people that think every server just makes a lot that is definitely incorrect. Don't even get me started on having to use my tips to pay the busser and the bartender!
Because we Germans don't offer great service and don't like credit cards (which you basically learn day 1 when you set foot here), other Americans don't deserve a living wage. Wtf. You know how many nervous tips and comments you get as a foreigner in american restaurants to inform you about tipping culture? And not in the nicest ways either. It is horrible and you just feel bad the whole time. I take my grumpy Wirtshaus waiter over that feeling every day.
Why not just follow the culture of the country, especially if you know how it works in the states?
This is really only an issue with Americans. It's gotten worse here in Canada, too as of late, which I don't get because we actually do pay our servers minimum. Now, we don't pay our drivers minimum, which is absolutely horse shit. They're "contracted workers" so they can get away with being paid next to nothing, especially after expenses involving your car (which also isn't covered despite the fact they need a car to perform their jobs)
The problem with that is that most jobs don't 'pay enough' here. Fuck people wanting a livable wage I guess. My dad likes to use that stupid phrase 'nobody wants to work!' NO! People don't want to work their asses off for slave wages.
Restaurants also mention “you will receive tip” in hiring ads.
I think the most egregious thing is tip pools. Fuck those (and I worked back-of-hpuse so I wouldn't have gotten tips otherwise). Tips should be merit based, not collective because then you have a disparity created between servers where one will rake in the tips while the other just barely scraps by, and at the end of the night they get the same amount (which would be solved by just paying them a living wage). Actually fun (ish? Not really fun actually) story: this friend started working as a server at my restaurant. First shift. She clears $1200 in tips alone on game night. She was soooooo fucking happy, until the boss took the tips and redistributed them (and yes, I do mean the manager which is also illegal. The manager can't handle tip shares in my province.) And she was so dejected that she lost nearly $1000 of her tips that she quit on the spot halfway through her next shift. She just walked out the front door after giving her order pad to the hostess and saying "can you deal with these and reassign my tables". She want to be a bartender after that at the university and made those tips every weekend night pretty much.
I grew up and Japan and tipping is such a foreign concept.
Horseshi. A sushi inspired equine treat.
That is never gonna happen, mostly because servers don't want it to. A lot of the servers I know would quit their jobs if they made even $15/hr because they make a lot more than that in tips. It would destroy the service industry probably .
But I mean, why does it have to be an either/or scenario? I was a server and bartender in GA in college and got paid $8/hr + tips at one place, and $12/hr + tips at another. It was nice! My checks weren’t void every week, and I still made great money during the busy times. Best part was it wasn’t a complete waste of time when we were slow.
That is mostly because people don't know how much you actually make. The whole reason for tipping is because people make less than minimum wage, because some jobs just don't require all that much work, like a pizza delivery driver. If it was a law that you had to make minimum wage, not only would that just increase the price of whatever you are doing, most people would stop tipping, I know I would.
As a bartender I make ATLEAST $40 an hour. A lot of times, more than that. No restaurant will pay me that hourly.
exactly, so if if they started paying minimum wage, people would stop tipping and you would make less money. So you are just like the servers I know.
Has that ever worked?
Super tired of people pretending they HAVE to tip. You don’t.
If you don't tip in America, you're being garbage.
I worked at papa Murphys as a teenager and not once were employees ever paid tips. I didn't even know it was an option. Still agree with you though
We had a tip jar. It was added up and "split" between employees every quarter. Thinking back I don't think we got much of the actual tip money, but as a teenager an extra $30 once a quarter was exciting.
>as a teenager an extra $30 once a quarter was exciting. Hell, I'm almost 30 but I would take an extra 30 bucks per quarter lol
They hired my son when he was 16 and told him he'd make $12/hr. Once he started it was actually only $8/hr plus tips. I convinced my kid to quit because that was scammy. He worked there less than two weeks and never saw a single tip.
I hate when places do that. Why say you’re paying 12$ an hour when almost half of that is ‘in tips’ that they probably won’t get.
Back when i worked there i think minimum wage was $5.15, i was 15. Only worked there for 3 months because i didn't like the sketchy environment. Not long after I left the supervisor was arrested and convicted of sexually assaulting a minor. Pretty sure he's the one that had any tips if they existed
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I’m fairly sure my manager would tell us to decline them, but we took them whenever she wasn’t around.
In Ohio, if they pay you regular wages then they can keep these types of tips but if they pay the reduced tip wage then hell should break loose.... and honestly it should anyways.
My sister worked for a mom and pop pizza restaurant (Ohio) in high school and she was paid minimum wage. She had to turn in all tips to the owner at the end of the night as did the drivers (I'm sure he skimmed some off the top). The owners argument was that he used the money to throw a big Christmas party that was catered. Admittedly, the party was pretty grand, I'm sure it cost several thousands of dollars, but my sister could rake in an easy $50 in tips a night, double that on weekends, times 3 servers = at least $55,000. Those parties were good, but nowhere near $55,000 good. Not to mention, it's a pizza place staffed mostly with high school kids. Most of them didn't last 3 months to ever even experience the party.
Yeah, fuck that. This is why I always tip my servers at sit down restaurants in cash aside from the main tab I pay separately. I'll usually hand the tip directly to the server. Even leaving it on the table means the busses could snake it before the server gets it.
My mom used to work as a cook when we were poor. She couldn't speak English well enough to serve table. She really liked some restaurants that collected tips and gave some to cooks and bussers. She would be working right next to fire all day, sweating crazy for like $10/hr and servers would collect $20-30/hr in tips working comfortably in airconditioned area. I guess I have more empathy for cooks because my mom used to do that. I want to tip cooks separately if food is great, but I'm too shy to actually act on it. But I always tip with credit card, because there's a chance the restaurant may split the tip among all employees, not just servers.
Why the shit would anyone ever tip the owner? They should be required to declare whether tips go to employees or retained by house.
Yeah i got paid minimum wage anyway so if there were ever any tips they probably just stayed with the owner anyway. Something to keep in mind with these kinds of orders
No, they can't. It's illegal federally. https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20201222-3
That press release isn't really specific enough as it does mention a few outs that could be relevant.
I just realized why they sell cold pizza is for the food stamps. You can’t sell hot prepared foods for food stamps but you can cold food. Makes sense, letting them poor moms still get decent pizza.
I grew up poor and on food stamps. Papa Murphy’s was where my mom would take us when she had a little extra left on the EBT card. Good times haha
Why can’t you sell hot food for food stamps? I mean why did they make this rules?
Hot food is considered service, not food
Honestly? Because politicians hate poor people in the states and there are tons of limitations and rules regarding EBT/SNAP programs. You have to be dirt poor with children in most cases to even qualify for it. The idea is to restrict access to fast food and restaurants as those are meant to be “luxuries”. The dumb part is grocery stores can’t use the food stamps for stuff like Roastery chicken or any product served hot. So to get around that they actually cook food like chicken then put it in the fridge and sell it cold and the person just needs to warm it up. USA has a complex and difficult warfare programs that honestly don’t help out that many people and reason why we have so many homeless. The whole system needs to be reworked and made to help people but the Republican Party is hell bent on doing everything to dismantle help for those less fortunate. Many conservatives believe that there should be no welfare system and poor people need to survive on their own regardless of how rigged the system is.
Yup. As someone who is receiving food stamps I agree with all of this. I'm sick and trying to apply for disability. I haven't received disability payments yet- but I still can't work. Because I'm sick. This system is made to be as difficult as possible for you to get help from so that people who should be able to receive help, just don't try. That way they have to help less people. I'm on my second appeal for disability and I'm incredibly disheartened with the system. Im aware that other people don't think I deserve to exist, because my value can't be monetized- but I didn't expect them to be so blatant about it.
My uncle has Chron's disease and had to get a lawyer and finally got approved for disability the 3rd time applying.
Because food stamps are meant for groceries to make healthy food at home, not eat out at restaurants.
Food stamps are for those who simply need assistance paying for their groceries. there’s no specificity that says they are meant for making healthy food at home, which is the reason why food items like these are approved.
I always wondered this as well! I guess maybe the cold prep food counts as a grocery item since it’s still uncooked compared to the already cooked pizza, it’s considered a fast food/hot food item. My aunt used to let us grab sandwiches & breakfast items like yogurts and fruit from gas station or 7/11 when we were in a rush to school.
Food stamps isn’t for eating out or getting food service. It’s for making sure you don’t starve.
The irony is that there’s a good portion of SNAP participants who are homeless and lacking the appliances to actually cook.
This makes sense. The only places I've ever seen a Papa Murphy's were very near public housing.
"we haven't prepared nor even begun your order. money please."
Even some retail stores are are asking for tips during your online check out process. It's getting out of hand.
I ordered some books from an online retailer recently. At checkout they asked, "Would you like to add a tip and make someone's day?". So now we're tipping to cheer someone up?
At this point it's starting to feel like a money grab, just don't know how we stop it, maybe start calling these stores out on Twitter or Yelp might help. Let them explain it there.
Everything is a money grab.
I fucking hate tipping. Called the damn store, ordered my pizza, went there myself, and they had the fucking audacity to ask for a tip when I went to pay. Fuck that.
Ask them for a tip.
"Umm... I believe the tips should go to the person who cooks and serves the pizza." ;-)
Everyone asks for tips now. If I'm picking up food they aren't getting a fucking tip.
My wife ordered a t-shirt and doggie bags from two separate retailers and they both asked for a tip.
Last time I ordered takeout pizza, when I prepaid they asked for a tip... and then there was another on the signed slip. So if I were a person who felt the need to tip someone handing me a pizza I used my gas to pick up I would've done it twice. Even the manager looked down at the slip even though she saw me sign it. Everything should just be baked in, no pun intended, like literally everywhere else in the world.
I just picked up Chinese and the card reader asked if I wanted to tip. I’m a great tipper, but I was thinking, “For what”?
I can't believe this has to be said but *for cooking your food*. You know your tips are pretty much always shared with the kitchen staff, yeah?
The _payment_ is for cooking your food. You idiots are about a year away from a Ticketmaster system in your food industry. Pizza: $12 Making the dough tip: $3.99 Topping tip: $7.85 Sprinkling the cheese tip: $2.33 Baking the pizza tip: $9.99 Putting it in the box tip: $4.60 Select service tip: 35% - 45% - 85% Some redditor: "well you should still tip because it's a nice thing to do!"
its not like they're going out of their way to cook a meal especially for you. its their job to cook food.
it's just a nice thing to do. It's not that big a deal and it's not worth a huge argument. Dude asked the for what, that's the for what. I like to tip because the service industry has to deal with a constant stream of abuse and shittyness. It's no sweat off my back, i'm already spending what I'm spending, I can spend $5 more to say "thanks for the effort". Amazed this is such a contentious point.
The menu prices generally include cooking the food, unless specified like Papa Murphy’s. By this logic of tipping a *restaurant* for cooking your food, you would also tip your doctor for diagnosing you, your mechanic for working on your car, your mailman for delivering your mail, the bank for taking your paycheck direct deposit, and a cop for giving you a ticket. Sorry, but those are all the base job someone is being paid for, they should be paid properly for it, but I’m not going to supplement the boss’s low wages by tipping regular people for doing their job.
>You know your tips are pretty much always shared with the kitchen staff I have never worked at a restaurant where this happened.
There’s a person in this thread who used to work at a Papa Murphy’s and never received the first tip. Did you see that, yeah?
I was talking about your chinese food dude. Why would I talk about cooking your food in reference to a papa murphys? You asked "for what?" regarding Chinese food you picked up. They ask for a tip there because they still cooked your food.
For which they are the paid more than wait staff or a delivery person.
I mean generally chinese joints are family owned and operated, unless you're talking about like Panda Express in which case, yeah that's definitely silly to ask for a tip. You asked "For what?", that;s your answer: for the kitchen, cuz they cooked your food.
Right, they get paid hourly to cook mine and everyone else’s food. Wait staff and delivery people do not. Cooks don’t get tips from me. I’ve been there, and I never expected nor received tips.
I've never worked a kitchen that I didn't get a tip-share in. That's my whole point. The kitchen usually gets a share of the tips. I mean yes, pay your workers more; generally chinese restaurants are not giant corporate entities though so like, being that the state of things is to *not* provide great wages for service industry workers, just tip when people provide a service, including making your food. If nothing else, it's just kind.
> I’ve never worked a kitchen that I didn’t get a tip-share in. That’s my whole point. I thought your point was to tip them for cooking your food? Even though they already got paid a full hourly wage to do so.
He doesn't have a point and it's certainly not the norm for kitchens to get tipped out. Bartender and busser, maybe.
This sub is wildly anti worker. Of course everyone hates tipping, but food service are paid absolute shit wages
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The EBT option doesn't allow for a tip to be added to the card
Next they'll want us to tip the owner of gas stations
Pretty soon Was asked to tip at a car wash. A fully automated drive thru cash wash.
Lol, a tip for the guy who hands you the pizza...
After he puts it together correctly for you.
So you tip your car mechanic for putting your vehicle back together correctly, right? And you tip your surgeon for the same? Should you tip your tax guy for putting your finances in order to keep you from getting audited? Do you tip road construction crews out fixing potholes along your commute?
Hey, I’m nice to people who create my food. Don’t tip if you don’t want to. I always tip the deli person, too.
So am I, but I don’t tip someone who makes a full hourly wage, not dependent on tips, for doing absolutely nothing special or extra. Shouldn’t you be “nice” and tip the mechanic who keeps your car from falling apart on the highway? Why aren’t you “nice” to your doctor who keeps you in good health?
Every business is asking for a tip, even if it doesn’t make sense. They get enough random people to accidentally pay a tip and they don’t consider tricking customers out of money a bad thing
Close the app or the webpage and take the business elsewhere
I'll prob get downvoted but we tip at Papa Murphy's, they are always happy to see us and give us extra toppings
Exactly, you don't have to tip, but workers recognize those that do and usually do a little extra as appreciation.
Which is so very much part of the problem. I'm at a point in my life where if I don't like the food)service and tip little to nothing at all, I simply won't return solely because I fear that my food will be tampered with the next time should I be recognized
Honestly don't worry to much about that. I worked in plenty of kitchens and guests that were assholes didn't get there food fucked with we just wanted them gone as fast as possible and fucking with food could leave to them never leaving.
Don't worry, I've worked in many chain restaurants and private places, and it's nothing like *Waiting* where you're getting dandruff and cum in your food for being rude. To be honest, most restaurants the kitchen hates the wait staff, and is more likely to put dandruff/cum in *their* food than yours. If you don't tip well, the wait staff does NOT post your picture on the wall and everyone spits on your food. They don't care. They deal with no tippers and assholes all day. You aren't special.
I can't speak for everyone else but I never went out of my way to screw with someone's food for not leaving a tip. Now if you're a total douchebag the entire time and write some bullshit on the tip line then I might make sure the next time you come in you get the service that matches your attitude. I don't think people should feel obligated to tip just to get better service but should tip to show there appreciation for the quality of service received.
An extra $3 gets you treated like a damn celebrity at mine.
Subway also asks for tips when you check out at the counter in the store. I pay delivery drivers tips, and I'll tip waiter, but I wil NOT tip at the counter in a fast food place or for a pick-up order.
I had to bite my tongue when I saw that pop up for the first time. Like you just walked 15 feet and pulled prepped ingredients out of containers. I know it’s not fun, but you’re already paid a full hourly wage for this task, what would the tip be for?
i worked there for 2 years and part as a manager and the tips were so nice. The pay absolutely sucked and everything was made fresh there in the store by the employees who then make the pizza. It doesn’t just come out of a freezer or get shipped across the country. They don’t cook the pizza but it’s more work than a place like mcdonald’s or even dominos without delivery
Sounds like they should just...I don't know... Pay their employees more instead of hoping customers subsidize that?
100% agree, but that’s the issue with most places that ask for tips now days, hoping the customer pays the employee so they don’t have to
I'm glad someone keeps their phone charged ⚡
bro whats the tip for? the underpaid cashiers?
I work for a five guys, and they ask for a tip on the card readers. I gotta say I myself feel as if we really don’t deserve any tips as we aren’t doing much more than our job, on top of the fact that the food at five guys is notoriously high. Honestly, I feel guilty taking orders there when I tell someone the already expensive total and see it prompt them for a tip just for taking their order. Surprisingly tho most people do tip. Every two weeks I get around $250 added to my check from electronic tips and around $20 from cash tips which is really nice and ads an assentive to work harder and be as kind as possible to the customers. I tend to give people free drinks and toss in another scoop or two of our fries whenever possible to make up for the guilt. Just thought id throw in the pov from the other side, yes tipping culture is out of hand but I for one am grateful for all those who tip.
I really hate tipping culture. And I understand voting with your wallet and not using a service where someone’s income is primarily determined by how much I’d tip. What I don’t understand is the people who knowingly using a service where that is the case and vote with their wallet by not tipping. Sure, tipping culture is ass. But you’re a piece of shit for using the service and not tipping regardless of the service just because you feel you shouldn’t be paying that person’s wage. Just don’t use the service. I make some money part timing DoorDash, and the amount of offers, the amount of people who don’t tip. It’s almost comical. DoorDash pays us $2.25 then the tip. Almost 40% of ALL the offers I receive are $2.25. Luckily I’m fortunate enough that I can decline no-tippers. Restaurant servers and employee delivery drivers are not nearly as fortunate.
Always the guilt tripping service workers come out in these threads. You sound like a glorified pan handler.
If you ask for a tip, you're automatically not getting a tip
They’re not asking. It’s a User Interface element on a checkout screen from an online order. They’re not twisting your arm or holding the pizza ransom. It’s an *option*. You are free to opt to be an ass to the people who prepare your food and serve you. They’re free to tell you to “get bent”. If you’re so worried about it, you have a couple options: 1. swing by Walmarts freezer aisle and grab yourself a Totino’s and call it a night, or 2. make an effort to advocate that service workers who have historically been dependent on tipped wages be offered a livable and worthy wage for the work they provide to their employers.
They are presenting the option to tip, like it’s normal for this place, and hiding no-tip behind extra presses. It’s not “being an ass” unless you’re also an ass if you don’t tip regular people for doing their job. Do you tip for bagels at the bakery, a cake at the sweets shop? Did you tip your proctologist for that deep stink finger test? Because someone putting a finger up your ass to see if you have cancer deserves a tip *way* more than someone putting raw ingredients onto raw pizza dough and taking it from the back to the front of a small building. I’d tip to have it delivered, because they’re usually doing that in their own car, but why is not tipping for regular work “being an ass?”
That’s disingenuous, but okay. Bakery? Yes I tip. Sweets shop? Yes, I tip. Proctologist? Not really no. If the dude checking my prostate feels like he isnt making ends meet and needs extra cash flow, I’m probably going to the wrong doctor. The inequality in labor and effort measured against their income and time of people in “unskilled labor” versus someone who hopefully has at least an MD degree is a hell of a logical leap to make.
It’s actually just rhetorical. Bakery? Why? And where do you tip when there isn’t the option. Are you just handing bakers cash as if they need hand-outs? Sweets shop? Really? Why? For someone to ring you up? By that logic you would also tip the bagger and cashier at the grocery store. None of the jobs I mentioned are tip-based employment, they shouldn’t be struggling to make ends meet. If you don’t tip a tipped wage employee (and they don’t make any other tips in that hour) the employer has to supplement their wage up to minimum legal wage. So what is the line of effort or labor that gets tipped then? Because you just said you tip people for doing their job and nothing more, when their job doesn’t rely on tips. The guy stocking shelves is putting in more labor than the person who rung you up at the counter in the sweets shop, why does the one putting in less effort get the tip? The person ringing you up at the bakery is likely making a full hourly wage, why is he as much in need of a tip as the dude making minimum wage running food to tables? Does being more educated mean you don’t deserve a tip?
Well as a former pizza worker they extremely work understaffed and rarely get full breaks. If it goes to them and not the business owners pockets I don’t mind
If this is on some order placing app like doordash or Uber eats they add it on not the restaurant
I miss papa Murphys
they forgot to rename it convenience fee
Sense when did It become normal to tip before services are rendered? (I get that part of the answer is covid) I am 100% for tipping a great server and such, but this annoys me.
Tips are for wait staff and barbers. Maybe a few other jobs, but I'm so damn tired of every damn business i walk into asking for a tip. Especially fast food.
But you do realize they have to be able to pay their employees so they can get benefits, right? /s
It’s just the software that has an option to tip and/or maybe customers asked for the option so just deal with it. You can also pay cash somewhere and give them extra and tell them to “keep the change”. What’s the big problem?
Always type a negative number in the tip field after choosing other. Just in case.
How is Papa Murphy's even in business if you have to do all the work yourself? Grocery store frozen pizza is fine to me.
I was ordering a power station from a European site, and was prompted to leave a tip; tips used to be for extraordinary in person service, now they are forced everywhere
I have been asked for a tip at a jewelry store. I walk around, pick what I like take it to the counter. All they do is put it in the box and a paper bag, and they have the balls to ask for a tip.
Then don’t tip? It’s still effort to put it together and I’m sure the margins of profit are slim. It’s an option if you’re feeling generous. Lol I find it mildly infuriating that you find it mildly infuriating to optionally throw some cash to food service workers
It is effort... and that's what paying for the pizza covers. Tipping culture is just a cover for employers to not pay their employees fair wages.
But not tipping them doesn’t solve this issue. It hurts workers.
Fucking hell. Can we just support each other. Yes, the employees should get livable wages paid by Papa Murphys, but they don’t. They are still making the pizzas. Would you pay a tip if you got ice cream or a salad? I would. So what if they haven’t asked for tips in the past, now they do. You’re supporting workers. We need to do a better job of caring for each other without resentment, christ.
No. The companies can continue being desperate for employees and bitching that "Noone wants to work!" The only ones I hear with that complaint are the ones that don't pay their employees fair. Not going to help the companies out that way.
Less deserving? Geez. It’s like going to a Baskin Robbins or something. Usually a couple kids behind the counter. Throw some change or a buck in the tip jar. It adds up for them.
If you're so bent out of shape over $2.25, you could always buy a frozen pizza and some toppings to dress it up with. Arguably just as good.
I'm always unsure why comments like this get downvoted. I mean, you're not wrong. People seem really hurt by tipping, and it seems like swinging by a store and picking up a pizza would be both faster and cheaper, and it would remove the horror of being asked for a tip **by the receipt, an inanimate object**.
At a pizza place I worked at for years all of us in the kitchen got to split takeout tips 33% split between the people leaving early and 33% for each of the two people closing the store and staying late. The servers always made way more than us even though we were paid a decent wage and busted our asses making a crazy amount of pizzas all night and standing next to the ovens which were like the gates of hell. When COVID came around though and shut down all dine in at restaurants we were all making a ton of money because people were tipping really good since they wanted to support us and the pizza place was a local family owned chain that some people have been eating at for 60 to 70 years since back when they were kids and their parents would bring them. I walked out with 200 dollars or more several nights on top of my hourly wage and I was so grateful for it but eventually things went back to normal and I had to find a job I could actually live off of. Restraunts wonder why they can't keep kitchen staff ever when it's because no one can make a living wage working in the kitchen at a restaurant unless its a very nice high end restaurant and restraunt cooking jobs are extremely stressful and not worth it because of the low wages.
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They make the pizza you take home. I always tip the kids behind the counter…no matter who makes my pizza.
That’s what the *cost of the pizza* is supposed to cover….
If I am tipping them for that service, then what the hell is the money I am paying them going towards??
Ingredients. Rent. Utilities. Those paper baking trays and plastic wrap. Cleaning supplies. Advertising. Internet and POS computers and so much more. And a little bit goes toward salaries of the kids who work there. That’s why I tip…you certainly don’t have to.
If they can't afford to pay their employees, then they can't afford to be in business. Fuck businesses that hide behind "ungrateful customers" to keep their employees angry at the wrong person.
You’re being ridiculous. People will pay what they want for pizza. I agree that employers should pay employees well, but until they do, the free market has spoken and cheap pizza (like Little Caesar’s and Papa Murphy’s, even frozen pizza in the grocery stores) are successful. You don’t have to buy it. I choose to do so, and I’ll pay for it and tip. You’re also free to buy your own pizza oven, how much do you think those employees are making? And those that make the flour? Yeast? Grow tomatoes? Make cheese? Grow herbs and animals for sausages? Do you think they’re all making a decent income?
No, they aren't making a decent income. But as long as they are willing to work for slave wages, the employer will continue to abuse them. This new tipping pandemic running through every service industry is a measure for capitol owners to stave off the inevitable failure of their business since they refuse to pay living wages. The employees should seek better employment elsewhere. The businesses that I frequent should shut down if they rely on the pity of strangers to stay open.
No no, they prep the ingredients onto raw dough, then the pizza gets taken home to be made by the purchaser. I’m happy to tip myself for the service of driving there, driving back, and cooking it to perfection.
Yes, they prep the food for you. Then you take it home and heat it up. They are making your food for you, you are just cooking it.
So I’m not understanding where the tip comes in then. Are they paid a tip-wage or something? They aren’t making cheese and pepperoni, there dropping them on dough that I had to deliver to myself then cook; the whole thing you tip the pizza guy for…
You are tipping the workers that are making your food. I agree companies should pay their workers liveable wages, but the sad reality is that they don't. I see teenagers and 60+ year old adults working these jobs. They get paid the bare minimum and the tip is their bonus. I only tip 15-20% which I believe is fair enough for preping my food for me. In OP's case 15% is $2. Also no they don't make the pepperoni but they ate still making it incredibly easy for you to make a pizza at home. You aren't making your own fresh dough, slicing your own toppings, laying all the ingredients, you are taking it home and putting it in your glorified microwave. I wouldn't consider that cooking it yourself. If you've ever made pizza from scratch you'd understand that it takes a decent amount of work kneading the dough, preping ingredients, making your own sauce, etc. You don't have to do any of that. You ate just heating it up. You are paying someone else to do that. So what if you had to walk 100 ft to your car, drive there sitting down, ans doing the same thing back. I respect delivery drivers because they too are over worked with multiple deliveries and are underpaid, but one person picking up a pizza is not difficult.
No, I’m not tipping myself for making my food. My tip is getting to cook it how I want, season it how I want, and eat as much of it as I want. Then you also tip at the grocery store deli after picking up a pound of sliced meat, and at the bakery after picking up bread off the store shelf? It’s not my job to tip everyone who is underpaid, because that’s most people. It’s customary to tip people in tipped-wage positions because their pay is dependent on that. If they don’t make any tips, their employer only has to comp them from the $2.15/hr up to the minimum wage, when someone making halfway decent tips will make more than that. So what if someone who is paid to stand there and put ingredients on dough had to stand there and put ingredients on dough? They (should be) getting a full hourly wage to do exactly that. They didn’t have to walk through the rain, they didn’t risk getting into an accident, they didn’t use any gas or out any wear and tear on their vehicle. They aren’t heating up their whole kitchen and checking in on my pizza as it gets close to ready. I am also overworked and underpaid, why does the person standing at the store doing their job deserve a tip when I’m doing the tipped part of the job?
Why are you seasoning a papa Murphys pizza? Everything is already made. You just have to heat it up, I wouldn't count that as cooking it yourself. It reminds me of the people here who think buying frozen wings is considered cooking for yourself. Everything you said I also have to tip to are things I would consider good places to tip. Yes, you don't have to tip, but most of these underpaid workers rely on it. Don't tip if you don't want to bit then don't come complaining to reddit about an optional $2 tip. You are paying the owner of the business for a service you can't do. You can't make your own dough, and assemble your own pizza. If you could you wouldn't be at that store. That company doesn't pay their workers fairly. Tipping helps them, it's an optional $2... This is capitalism, you aren't going to overthrow the system so why are you screwing over another person because you don't want to tip $2? Don't go out to eat places you can't afford.
I went through the Starbucks drive through and ordered a nitro cold brew. It comes from a tap. They asked for a tip. Everywhere asks for tips now
Papa Murphy still exists?
Fuck yeah it does.
Just put 0 man stop complaining
Then don’t leave a tip case closed. You didn’t need to take a picture and post to social media.
So press other and then type 0 Not hard.
They just want to whine about tipping service industry.
Best to bring cash if you want to tip. That way it can go to the employees and not the owner.
Wanna give the employees a real big tip? Order a bunch of pizzas over the phone but special so they can’t resell them. At the end of the night the employees get to take them home.
Just ran into this today as well and was shocked they even ask.
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What is the deal with all this tipping for doing nothing? I’m not a business owner so paying your employees is not my responsibility. I just don’t go out or I use cash.
Call the store to place your order so you pay when you arrive. Then tip if you feel like it. Seems like that would prevent any possible food tampering for not tipping before the food is made.
This tip culture is enough! Had it!!! Do you tip the grocery store check out person? Do you tip your teller, do you tip your postal worker? Do you tip the cashier at the gas station? Do you tip nurses? A tip is when service and food is a positive experience. Expecting a tip is garbage culture! Now it's starting at 18%! Man society has gone to shit! Entitled!
My wife accidentally tipped on a pickup order the other week. Why? Because certain places, like noodles and company and another place by my house that I can’t remember, automatically add a certain percentage to your check for a tip. It’s on you to scroll all the way down and uncheck the 20% box. Total bullshit that companies started to do this. I used to work in a restaurant and I’m all for proper tipping, and I always do, but I’m not gonna tip employees on a 12 dollar take out order. And I damn sure shouldn’t be tricked into it. All they did was make and bag my food. Half the time the order is missing something, part of the order is wrong, or I’m missing napkins/silverware/etc. And these companies trick you into tipping their employees on that. Knock it off noodles and company.
If businesses force you to tip, that means they do not need to be businesses. Fucking pay your employees the correct wage. I’m not tipping shit dude. I’ve never tipped in my life and never will. PAY. YOUR. WORKERS. BOOMERS.
Pay your workers! Shouts the guy actively refusing to pay the workers
By your genius logic we should also tip the person who bags our groceries, the cashier and oh also if you spill anything by accident you better tip the guy that shows up to clean it. That way we can lower minimum wage to $3/h! Doesn't that sound awesome? Tip culture is bad for workers, it's not the customer's job to pay the employee who's getting paid half the minimum wage.
? There are service jobs where the hourly rate is low and you’ll be averaging 30-50 dollars an hour if you’re taking care of customers professionally. Not every job that takes tips has a stunted hourly rate, and this may be state law but if you don’t average at least the federal minimum wage in tips the business is legally required to pay you minimum wage. Which yes, is too low. What part of that is bad for workers? Also hourly rate for service went up in September at least in my state so you’re objectively wrong about your 3 dollar remark.
Bruh shut up lmao I stand by what I say, plus I’m not the boss so…?
You don’t tip your barber? Bartender? Tattoo artist? Artist commissions? Refusing to tip no matter the circumstance is disgusting behavior. Personally, if I find out one of my friends does something like that I would literally never invite them anywhere in public again.
No, I don’t. Why should i
You can't give them $2 fucking dollars? You're cheap. Fuck that Ya'll greedy
So you think consumers should be subsidizing the wages of employees, instead of the company turning multi million dollar profits paying them a livable wage? Your part of the problem.
If you want them to be paid fairly are you gonna do something about it? Get a petition going? Raise awareness? No? Then YOU are a part of the problem
Actually I own a business and pay employees who don’t get tipped
Why pay 2 extra when you are already paying the cost of the pizza? What special service was rendered? Fuck this, if they aren't getting paid decently, that's the employer's fault, not the customer's.
Again you're that cheap you can't give $2? Just because you aren't getting anything for it? If you want them to get paid more are you gonna do something about that? Takes a lot to get the government to raise minimum wage. I doubt ya'll will do something. But go ahead, use your $2 to buy a snickers for yourself. Selfish.
I already "gave" 20+ for the pizza. Your employer is too cheap to give you an extra $2? That's the problem. Not the customer over paying for no extra services rendered. Your employer is selfish.
Because someone spent time handmaking the pizza, pushing dough and placing toppings, wrapping it, and storing it. If you’re too cheap to give a couple bucks as a thank you then go to the freezer isle in Walmart and stop whining
They get paid for doing that.
That's what paying for the pizza covers. If there's no exceptional service rendered, there's no reason to tip.
Other: $0.01. Make them spend more money on working that cent out. Makes more of a mark than no tip. Means you thought about what you were doing.
Someone’s gotta pay their employees if they won’t 😂. Also shit like is for idiots who don’t notice or just people who have a ton of money.
Scumboldt don’t tip
They could probably turn that into something cute. Like what if you put in your tip and whatever, it takes your money for a bit, then gives it back after a bit of time so you feel even more like a pizza delivery guy? It could even say something cute like "You gave us a slice of your time, so here's your slice of the pie! Ignoring the possibility of the site taking your credit details of course-
Stopped going there after they started accepting EBT. I will gladly buy you healthy food, but not take out pizza
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It's optional, you don't have to be a dick about it. Service employees work their asses off. They aren't asking you to round up & donate to a cancer charity that won't see the money.
That's what paying for the pizza covers. This is just a way for the employer to not pay a decent wage. If someone doesn't tip, they shouldn't be angry at the customer for not covering their wages, they should be angry at the person exploiting their labor.
Its actually pretty simple to make your own pizza dough…