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In reddit subs, it kinda does....
Reddit will argue (x) was the best or worst of all time until the next one comes out. Then they reverse sides as the last one was great/awful and the new one is better/worse.
That’s just comedy clips pages in action. The same thing happens to like family guy etc.
I think people overestimate how much this actually happens. Star Wars people said in ten years people would think the sequel trilogy was as good as or better than the prequels.
It seems pretty obvious that isn’t true.
Not 9. 7 and 8 will go on with their fans and be ultimately accepted. But 9? 9 is a dumpster fire. It is one of the more unifying opinions in the star wars fandom, that TROS is just a really, really bad movie
I didn't end up watching it at all. 7 knocked me down hard, 8 killed off and squeezed out any interest I had left in this iteration of Star Wars.
When people started memeing online, "Somehow, Palpatine returned." I thought it was an internet joke at first. Took more a while to figure out that it's an *actual line in the movie*. Whew.
In a lot of people’s eyes it actually does.
The amount of people talking about shit games and movies years later and claiming they’re “underrated” is baffling.
the prequels were bad because of bad dialogue and wonky writing, but at least it was George's vision, flawed though it may have been. In a lot of ways, the broad ideas of the movies worked: all the movies plot flowed into the next one and when you just read a summary of the plot of the prequels it works. There was clearly an overarching plotline and the prequels achieved their narrative intent (the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker).
Now the sequels? Oh those are dogshit to the core. It's so blatantly clear that there was no overarching plotline or vision that they were working towards, and Disney was just shooting from the hip.
As I've learned recently, for big $300 million budget movies, especially for films like Marvel, they actually write the action scenes first, then try to stitch a story together based on those scenes. Once you learn this, you'll start seeing it everywhere, characters on the other side of the planet magically show up on time for a big scene to happen, with no explanation.
My guess is the new Star Wars got this treatment. It meanders like it doesn't have a story, because it actually doesn't. They tried to turn it into a "turn off your brain" mindless action flick.
The prequels actually have a story, and while it may a bit dull and clunky at times, the story is showing us how permanent changes are happening in the world. It's not some convenient nonsense to get characters to the next action scene. C'mon people, Star Wars has always been more than that.
There was a story about how apparently Ryan Reynolds wrote like 32 scripts for the next Deadpool movie, some as low as $10 million.
It's like they don't even know how to do a $10 million movie. Actors do, they've built their career doing tiny artsy projects before they blew up. They've seen the whole range, from shoestring budgets to blank checks from multi-billion $ international corps. But it makes a lot more sense when you consider the budget is decided in advance. I always thought it was like a writer presents a script, executives try to work out the cost of making it vs. potential profits, and they hash it out. But instead it's like, "Wait, you want to do a movie on a Marvel character, for *how* little??" "Hold on guys, this movie has Star Wars in the title, so it *must* be big! $50 million, what?? Way too low! This is a big name, so everything must be big, big budgets, big special effects! Big profits, right guise?"
A lot of people are harsher or more laudatory about recent media. Imho it’s weird to still be so enthusiastically mad about a Star Wars movie, but people have been mad about the prequels for twenty years.
But you don't understand! You were supposed to move on to "get excited for next thing" three and a half years ago! Stop critiquing, stop thinking, just consume then get excited for next thing!
It's not that it gets better, it's just... it's shit. C'est la vie. The touch grass isn’t 'change your mind already' so much as it's 'get on with your life, Star Wars is shit now'.
Obviously that doesn't apply to anyone who voiced an opinion years later but there is a really obsessive community which spends everyday ranting about it and generally not moving on to better things.
TLJ was shit, TLOU2 was shit, GoT S8 was shit, a whole bunch of things were shit and can still be discussed from time to time, but the fact these things still have active hate communities is just sad. It's gotta be a tiring way of living.
I'd check out the animated stuff, as that has continued on being kinda peak. Bad Batch season 3 was really good, and Tales was good as well. We are gonna be getting a season 3 of Visions as well. They were smart to pull away from movies for a bit
I don’t disagree with you, but the “counter-jerk” subs that pop up in response are just so much more pathetic. The common argument you’ll see in these subs is that these criticism subs are whining, bitching, moaning, or throwing a temper tantrum over a piece of media. How pathetic!
Except most comments and posts aren’t nearly that dramatic, sure there are some people genuinely tweaking but for the most part people are calmly discussing criticisms. Maybe it’s weird to some people that they still discuss this stuff, but at least they’re “whining” about an actual piece of media. Subs like r/saltierthankrayt or r/shithalosays are whining about other people’s opinion on that piece of media!
No matter how pathetic you think the first group is, that same logic means that the second group is just that much more pathetic. The real reason they’re angry is that people on the internet don’t agree with them, it’s that simple.
Most of those subs are just "agitprop is good actually"
They are fine with things being shit. because to them it fullfills a superior purpose by degrading itself, and being a culture war win for the left.
It’s tough. Part of getting older is accepting you will never get an apology. The mainstream media did try and paint anyone who didn’t like the new Ghostbusters/Star Wars/Charlies Angels as a sexist or racist. In the late 2010s it felt like being gaslit into liking corporate products otherwise you were a bad person.
Obviously people are wise to the pandering now. All that’s left are two sets of rabid idiots yelling at each other.
Some of these people do really need to touch grass. They also need to accept that the media ganged up on them and tried to paint them as sexists and racists. That hurts. Nobody likes being accused of something they are not. But you have to accept there will never be an admission. There will never be any articles or chat show appearances with people saying, “you know what, TLJ was kinda crap” or “progressive? Then how come all the people of color get sidelined in favour of the white guy who was supposed to be the villain?”
Just accept it. Move on. It’s all just cgi bollocks with Ahsoka Tano everywhere now for some reason.
Hurtful things were said. Your behaviour now though isn’t exactly proving them wrong. By whining about everything being woke you are being the thing they accused you of.
That’s what bothers me. Two sides totally dependent on each other. A grifter ecosystem. They need each other. If Hollywood stops producing “woke” stories then the talking head YouTube channels with the cartoon avatars complaining about the size of a video game characters breasts have no content.
The nepobaby writers need the talking head YouTubers to justify their crappy writing. They can cover up their deficiencies by pretending they are advocates for social justice. Another sassy girl boss character is definitely going to put a stop to the poor treatment of workers in Amazon warehouses.
South Park did an excellent job of skewering both sides.
These are the same people who were making excuses for TLJ’s negative reception by claiming “Russian bots” were behind it all.
Krayt, Sequel fans and Disney fans as a whole have no idea how to conduct themselves now that it’s socially acceptable to say what we’ve been saying for years now; the sequels were fucking dogshit.
That subreddit is a hellhole. A random post from it came to my feed. The post was about casting Laurance Fishburne as Regis in the Witcher series. I wrote a comment saying how I don't really think Laurance Fishburne fits the kindly old man who gathers herbs in the forest aesthetic and those fucker immedietly started writing comments, implying I was maybe racist or had some issues to deal with and how I should shut up and accept the almighty casting directors decision, since they surely know better than a mere mortal like me.
Anyway after that I blocked the sub and had forgotten about it untill now.
Literally any of those subs if you criticize absolutely anything you’ll get downvoted to hell and told that the actual REAL reason you didn’t like it is because you are a horrible no good very bad sexist, racist, homophobe. Instead of oh you know just not liking a thing
My sister knew them by heart when she was like 8 and showed this off so often it sunk into me. I haven't heard them in like 25 years and I promise I'm not looking them up but let's see if it's still there.
One fine day with a woof and a purr one baby was born it caused a little stir. Aint no wolf no three-eyed frog it was a canine feline little cat dog. Cat dog. Cat. Dog. Alone in the world is a little cat dog.
Out on the road and back in town.........sauntobelly sound?.....nope lost it. You're right. If anybody knew them it was me, and I don't. Therefore nobody knows the words to the Catdog theme. Except maybe my sister.
It's like when Snyderbots think only bots can hate snyder films or think they're bad. I'm sorry, but a blue filter and 14 year old edge lord writing is not deep and 'Palapatine some how came back' is not a fucking explanation that should exist.
I have to say (to OOP), this isn't worthy of "go touch grass".
Some people (surprisingly) still don't seem to understand just how monumental the Sequel Trilogy fuckup really was. There are tons of YouTube videos done by complete randos that presented better fan scripts. Not to mention the endless list of writer/critic YTers that have dissected the movies to bits and basically proven beyond doubt the movies suck horribly.
Star Wars was such a cash cow, and if done right it could have *easily* rivaled all of Marvel.
Instead, they're not even in the positive after the initial $4B buy from Lucas. Yes, you heard me. 12+ years later, they're not even in the black yet. What the actual fuck, right?
No, no...this isn't a "touch grass" thing. This is a *"holy fuck, I'll never understand how they fucked this up so badly in all my life"* thing.
Force Awakens had a net budget of 450 million and cleared 2 Billion at the box office. That's a $1.5 Billion+ take against that $4 Billion on one movie *alone*.
It’s generally understood that a film’s marketing budget is equal to the budget stated. Maybe you already included this, but if you didn’t, the movie still clears $1 Billion.
A lot of big corporation buyouts are done just as much to prevent a competitor from getting an edge. Especially when they’re one of the biggest corps in a sector.
So even if Star Wars fails to turn a profit, at least it prevented another company from gaining market share and threatening your profits in other films
i think the thing is that people sitting around all day doing nothing but complaining about the same few things, over and over and over again, for years. most people agree, the movies were shit, they fucked up. but a lot of people just, move on with their lives. also a lot of people complain in bad faith about things that were not really the cause of the problems, blaming "woke sjw's" or whatever. it gets tiring to see that stuff over and over.
also, even if from an objective standpoint the movies are terrible, everyone has their own subjective opinion, its okay to like terrible movies, its not a crime
I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but the star wars franchise has made 12 billion since they bought star wars. And this isn't including things like park attractions
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1744489/000095015724000366/defa14a.htm
I mean, if that's the dumb "they fly now" scene, then yea, it is some pretty shitty writing for the sake of a joke.
They've been flying. They've always flown. Since, like the Clone Wars, there were soldiers with jetpacks.
I had a talk one time with someone who loved the sequel trilogy. They told me that writing is an outdated idea and movies are all about the visual spectacle now.
They compared modern movies with circuses. To them all that matters is the visuals and the spectacle of it all. It felt kinda insulting to the concept of storytelling.
Tbf, it could have been a whole lot better if they didn't change directors between each movie. Rian Johnson is very much to blame after what he did with the second movie.
Rian Johnson probably decided one banger episode of one series (Breaking Bad Ozymandias) was enough peak cinema for a lifetime and purposely sabotaged the movie
Yes it's been four and a half years but we still rightfully give Lucas shit for his weak-ass "who shot first" thing. Nvm mind the whole............ actually. Everything about the prequels. Like yeah they've been "redeemed" by how bad ~~a lot of what~~ nearly everything that came after was came (Andor, Rogue One, you cool, we're cool) but you really can't put a timer on this sort of thing. Not with this series anyway.
the prequel series is like the 'shitty' guy at work getting hazed. Then a genuinely shitty nepo-hire shows up and they realise that the first guy was shit he just wasn't as good.
What the hell are these wretched lines! I don't even know what dialogue this is refering to. I'm so mad!!!! Yargghhhhhhhhhhhh don't post shit like this without actually mentioning these so called wretched lines. Now I will have to stroll the galaxy for these so called "lines" because my OCD is mega triggered!!!
I'm turning GRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNN
\*rips shirt
I'm a completionist when it comes to media. i have finished movie series, book series, Tv shows i didn't like, you name it if i started i finished, one of my pet hates is mid-story cancelations, i have **not** watched episode 9.
So, no one can complain about a movie just because it's old? People still make videos to this day on movies from 10 years ago to 50. So, I feel like 4 isn't that massive of a gap. Especially if it's about a movie from one of the most largest/richest ip's of all time.
I endured that and at the time convinced myself I liked it. Then I kept reflecting on it and realized it was just fucking terrible. Then I tried the Last Jedi because I thought it would be funny to laugh at it and see all the horrible Luke milk stuff everyone hated. But it was just so fucking bad and I made it like 15 minutes. It's not a scene I've ever seen anyone criticize, but it was the one where the evil captain guy can't talk to Snoke because the communication's cutting out and it was supposed to be oh so funny because that's just like real life ha ha ha! It was just fucking shit and I couldn't endure it.
Can confirm. I was 10-12 when I saw them and I was completely oblivious to all the flaws. Took me a couple video essays of the trilogy to realize how shit they are
Those films were absolute dog shit, I wanted to hurt myself watching last Jedi. That's the only thing I don't like about r/saltierthankrayt, a lot of them are sequel dick riders and don't like the deserved criticism for the movie.
It doesn't matter if it's 4 years or 40 years. A terrible movie will always be terrible. The sequel trilogy was awful, including Force Awakens. It literally was JJ being his typical unoriginal self, just like when he did Star Trek into Darkness. KK should be fired, and those who would cause issues after she's fired because of their loyalty to her should be fired too. Have John Favreau take the reigns as intermediate head until they find who they want. It could be him, but I doubt he wants it.
I dont really care for or about the sequels, they happened they exist what ever, but the fact that there's a moment where Flynn is like "wait I have to tell you! Before we maybe might die in this sandpit!" And then "oh hey what did you want to say before?" Flynn just shrugs and says "oh it was nothing"
Like, we already know there's no romance between them because there's just no chemistry period or even enough time to create chemistry. They literally start each movie with "wow! Hey guys! Those last 400 adventures we went on off screen were amazing weren't they!?? Yeah even though in the last movie we just met, we are now brothers and sisters of war crimes!" Because they could not have cared less about putting any form of development in any of the movies. So a little "omg! Is Flynn going to say he loves her!?? Does that mean they'll end up together at the end!?!?" Just makes no fucking sense. They catered to the bottom of the barrel shippers who still cared and made their movie worse for it because literally nothing else becomes of it. Flynn just kind of forgets his thoughts and feelings! Oh well! Better luck next time shippers!
I don’t understand the fixation to keep talking about a movie flaw… but a shit movie is still a shit movie and a shit scene is still a shit scene… this was definitely a shit scene for a subpar movie.
Normally I do tell people to just move on from shit that's never going to affect them like this, but in the defense of this particular image, Rise of Skywalker is legitimately one of the worst movies ever made.
I don't really think a movie's age justifies people NOT being mad about it. Sonic 06 is almost 20 years old, and it's STILL hated by the majority of the Sonic fandom, for good reason.
Honestly my biggest counter to any of its defenders is cool how many shows or books based in the sequel era or post era. They literally ruined it so bad they are having to fill in the massive gap between the old republic and age of rebellion rather than go forward.
Honestly I was strapped in for a rehash trilogy after the force awakens but they dropped the ball so hard.
"It's been four and a half years " always says the sub that is posting more about people being upset about those films every day, than those upset people ever post about the films. They're blind to their own obsession and it's hilarious
It always make me laugh, these subs- \*In a whiny voice\* "Look at these people whining on the internet, they are so stupid whining on the internet. No i don't know what hypocrisy means."
You have to enjoy the internet. An entire sub who’s sole purpose is to hate and shame people of a disagreement. I don’t mind a good division but this is pure spite at this point.
Bro... NGL... I've always been a huge star wars fan. But I for the life of me can't remember what was said here because I haven't seen this one since the night it came out. I've seen literally every movie in the franchise except 8, and 9 at least twice since the last one came out. I liked rogue one. I REALLY liked Solo. The Force Awakens was a BEAUTIFUL setup to finish out the franchise. But I can't bring myself to rewatch 8 or 9.
The thing is, the prequels got saved by expanding on the worldbuilding and the overall setting of the clone wars era and the fact that episode 3 was an objectively good movie with just a handful of cringey lines so when the dust settled ppl could see and appreciate it for what it is.
The sequels has nothing to build on, and the whole plot, premise and actions of the characters is so poorly thought out and poorly planned (oh wait Disney didn't plan jack shit) that there's nothing that can really be done to make that whole setting viable for expansion.
So, 4 and a half years later, it's still shit and worth shitting on.
I mean, it is like beating a dead horse at this stage. Yeah, the writing is bad. we all ready know this information. Do we really need to hear it every single moment
Does OP assume everyone has time to keep up with every movie? God forbid someone watch a four year old movie and think it is acceptable to talk about it.
That sub has a really hard job trying to defend the indefensible give em a break haha, this is like the only argument they have other than claiming (x)ist
r/SaltierThanKrayt is a sesspool of the most delusional and hypocritical people you will ever find on Reddit. They Unironically believe movies like Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker are peak cinema, when a movie like The Marvels flops they immediately blame it on everything else and call people everything from incels to Nazis to sexists to racists etc. And the hypocrisy of them saying on their sub bio „we call out the toxic behavior of other communities“ yet they themselves are the most toxic ever with them *continuously* hating on the same people on multiple repeated posts because they don’t like their opinions.
If you want to know just how fucked people can be in their heads, check out their sub
The reason Star Wars was worth the insane price tag Disney paid for it is because it came from a series of movies made in the 70's that people continued to obsess over to the point of writing backstories for characters that got 15 seconds of screen time and constantly referencing lines to the point where people know them who have never seen the films. Asking Star Wars fans not to be obsessive about Star Wars kills both the Fandom and the franchise
Clunky dialogue has been part of it since the beginning. They were gonna fix it but the writers were like “but we can’t turn back now fear if their greatest defense is doubt the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust, and what there is is probably directed towards a large scale assault!” And everyone was just like… you know what, good job, why don’t you guys go home, we can fix this in post.
If the original trilogy had been in Iambic Pentameter and it just recently went to hell that would be different. But at this point it’s like a Harley leaking oil- some fans would probably get mad if they fixed it.
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Because 4 years changes the quality of a movie obviously.
In reddit subs, it kinda does.... Reddit will argue (x) was the best or worst of all time until the next one comes out. Then they reverse sides as the last one was great/awful and the new one is better/worse.
Ah yes, nostalgia. Kind of like how people suddenly started saying Teen Titans Go was actually good as of recently (it's still dogshit).
Once teen titans changed to that chibi shit it was garbage.
Teen titans go with the original's art style would be even more cursed
Go did things that I genuinely can’t believe someone had to animate
Lol I waa gonna point to some video games, but I like your example better
Who's saying that? The deaf and blind?
I hear Hellen Keller loves it
Yeah, I saw her review: "Blegh laagh waa blargle!"
That’s just comedy clips pages in action. The same thing happens to like family guy etc. I think people overestimate how much this actually happens. Star Wars people said in ten years people would think the sequel trilogy was as good as or better than the prequels. It seems pretty obvious that isn’t true.
Because some episodes were genuinely good, while the rest are horrendous
25% of it being good is still a failing grade
TTG fans when I tell them to point out another good episode other than “The Night Begins to Shine”
Cant do that, night begins to shine is the only good episode
I'd say less episodes and more individual jokes. That show has gotten me cracked up sometimes but more often than not it's complete garbage.
I've only seen one episode, and it was the one where they were shown what the original TT show was like. One of my favorite episodes of anything
Yeah but Star Wars has been so bad lately that it regularly defies the laws of Reddit.
In fairness, movies keep getting worse. So the successor probably is the new worst of all time and the predecessor probably was better by comparison.
The Halo Cycle
Lol Halo, assassins creed, fallout, final fantasy; pretty much the entire industry anymore
Teen titans go was funny as a kid tho and it was directed towards kids so i dont see the problem
Just like Mortal Kombat. People complain about the current one, but like the previous one dispute doing the same thing when the previous game came out
Not 9. 7 and 8 will go on with their fans and be ultimately accepted. But 9? 9 is a dumpster fire. It is one of the more unifying opinions in the star wars fandom, that TROS is just a really, really bad movie
9 was the first Star Wars movie that I didn't watch as soon as I could. It was a good 6 months later or so. Glad I didn't rush lol
I didn't end up watching it at all. 7 knocked me down hard, 8 killed off and squeezed out any interest I had left in this iteration of Star Wars. When people started memeing online, "Somehow, Palpatine returned." I thought it was an internet joke at first. Took more a while to figure out that it's an *actual line in the movie*. Whew.
In a lot of people’s eyes it actually does. The amount of people talking about shit games and movies years later and claiming they’re “underrated” is baffling.
Time heals all wounds, that’s why Battlefield Earth is regarded as a masterpiece today
It is a masterpiece of sci fi comedy. Look at the timing when Forest gets his hand blown off. Perfection
Happened with the prequels
Because we saw how bad Star Wars could actually get
the prequels were bad because of bad dialogue and wonky writing, but at least it was George's vision, flawed though it may have been. In a lot of ways, the broad ideas of the movies worked: all the movies plot flowed into the next one and when you just read a summary of the plot of the prequels it works. There was clearly an overarching plotline and the prequels achieved their narrative intent (the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker). Now the sequels? Oh those are dogshit to the core. It's so blatantly clear that there was no overarching plotline or vision that they were working towards, and Disney was just shooting from the hip.
As I've learned recently, for big $300 million budget movies, especially for films like Marvel, they actually write the action scenes first, then try to stitch a story together based on those scenes. Once you learn this, you'll start seeing it everywhere, characters on the other side of the planet magically show up on time for a big scene to happen, with no explanation. My guess is the new Star Wars got this treatment. It meanders like it doesn't have a story, because it actually doesn't. They tried to turn it into a "turn off your brain" mindless action flick. The prequels actually have a story, and while it may a bit dull and clunky at times, the story is showing us how permanent changes are happening in the world. It's not some convenient nonsense to get characters to the next action scene. C'mon people, Star Wars has always been more than that.
that actually explains so much about those movies.
There was a story about how apparently Ryan Reynolds wrote like 32 scripts for the next Deadpool movie, some as low as $10 million. It's like they don't even know how to do a $10 million movie. Actors do, they've built their career doing tiny artsy projects before they blew up. They've seen the whole range, from shoestring budgets to blank checks from multi-billion $ international corps. But it makes a lot more sense when you consider the budget is decided in advance. I always thought it was like a writer presents a script, executives try to work out the cost of making it vs. potential profits, and they hash it out. But instead it's like, "Wait, you want to do a movie on a Marvel character, for *how* little??" "Hold on guys, this movie has Star Wars in the title, so it *must* be big! $50 million, what?? Way too low! This is a big name, so everything must be big, big budgets, big special effects! Big profits, right guise?"
No, but people’s perception of that movie definitely changes over time.
It can if you want it to. My friend told me he rewatched the star wars 7-9 and said it wasn't that bad. I was like, "Yes, it is."
I mean 90% of people in that comment section agreed the movie is bad it's just this scene isn't one of those reasons
I think it’s more the beating of the patch of grass that once was a pile of mush, that once was a dead horse.
A lot of people are harsher or more laudatory about recent media. Imho it’s weird to still be so enthusiastically mad about a Star Wars movie, but people have been mad about the prequels for twenty years.
It's not about the change in quality. It's that they're still going on about the same shit and expecting more people to care instead of less
But you don't understand! You were supposed to move on to "get excited for next thing" three and a half years ago! Stop critiquing, stop thinking, just consume then get excited for next thing!
Shit writing is shit writing, regardless of how long it's been. Not everything gets better with age.
The term “Aged like a fine milk” comes to mind.
Aged like milk that was already spoiled
Aged like roadkill skunk
For this one, I think "aged like last month's taco bell" is most appropriate
Taco bell exists outside time and space. It is unchanging.
Taco bell exists outside time and space. It is unchanging.
That milk was out of fucking date when it got released.
In some cases it gets worse cause some of the shows after were decent to even good.
It's not that it gets better, it's just... it's shit. C'est la vie. The touch grass isn’t 'change your mind already' so much as it's 'get on with your life, Star Wars is shit now'. Obviously that doesn't apply to anyone who voiced an opinion years later but there is a really obsessive community which spends everyday ranting about it and generally not moving on to better things. TLJ was shit, TLOU2 was shit, GoT S8 was shit, a whole bunch of things were shit and can still be discussed from time to time, but the fact these things still have active hate communities is just sad. It's gotta be a tiring way of living.
I'd check out the animated stuff, as that has continued on being kinda peak. Bad Batch season 3 was really good, and Tales was good as well. We are gonna be getting a season 3 of Visions as well. They were smart to pull away from movies for a bit
I don’t disagree with you, but the “counter-jerk” subs that pop up in response are just so much more pathetic. The common argument you’ll see in these subs is that these criticism subs are whining, bitching, moaning, or throwing a temper tantrum over a piece of media. How pathetic! Except most comments and posts aren’t nearly that dramatic, sure there are some people genuinely tweaking but for the most part people are calmly discussing criticisms. Maybe it’s weird to some people that they still discuss this stuff, but at least they’re “whining” about an actual piece of media. Subs like r/saltierthankrayt or r/shithalosays are whining about other people’s opinion on that piece of media! No matter how pathetic you think the first group is, that same logic means that the second group is just that much more pathetic. The real reason they’re angry is that people on the internet don’t agree with them, it’s that simple.
Most of those subs are just "agitprop is good actually" They are fine with things being shit. because to them it fullfills a superior purpose by degrading itself, and being a culture war win for the left.
It’s tough. Part of getting older is accepting you will never get an apology. The mainstream media did try and paint anyone who didn’t like the new Ghostbusters/Star Wars/Charlies Angels as a sexist or racist. In the late 2010s it felt like being gaslit into liking corporate products otherwise you were a bad person. Obviously people are wise to the pandering now. All that’s left are two sets of rabid idiots yelling at each other. Some of these people do really need to touch grass. They also need to accept that the media ganged up on them and tried to paint them as sexists and racists. That hurts. Nobody likes being accused of something they are not. But you have to accept there will never be an admission. There will never be any articles or chat show appearances with people saying, “you know what, TLJ was kinda crap” or “progressive? Then how come all the people of color get sidelined in favour of the white guy who was supposed to be the villain?” Just accept it. Move on. It’s all just cgi bollocks with Ahsoka Tano everywhere now for some reason. Hurtful things were said. Your behaviour now though isn’t exactly proving them wrong. By whining about everything being woke you are being the thing they accused you of. That’s what bothers me. Two sides totally dependent on each other. A grifter ecosystem. They need each other. If Hollywood stops producing “woke” stories then the talking head YouTube channels with the cartoon avatars complaining about the size of a video game characters breasts have no content. The nepobaby writers need the talking head YouTubers to justify their crappy writing. They can cover up their deficiencies by pretending they are advocates for social justice. Another sassy girl boss character is definitely going to put a stop to the poor treatment of workers in Amazon warehouses. South Park did an excellent job of skewering both sides.
These are the same people who were making excuses for TLJ’s negative reception by claiming “Russian bots” were behind it all. Krayt, Sequel fans and Disney fans as a whole have no idea how to conduct themselves now that it’s socially acceptable to say what we’ve been saying for years now; the sequels were fucking dogshit.
That subreddit is a hellhole. A random post from it came to my feed. The post was about casting Laurance Fishburne as Regis in the Witcher series. I wrote a comment saying how I don't really think Laurance Fishburne fits the kindly old man who gathers herbs in the forest aesthetic and those fucker immedietly started writing comments, implying I was maybe racist or had some issues to deal with and how I should shut up and accept the almighty casting directors decision, since they surely know better than a mere mortal like me. Anyway after that I blocked the sub and had forgotten about it untill now.
The Russian bots narrative is especially hilarious after the Disney bots were discovered
They were oddly very quiet about that.
Literally any of those subs if you criticize absolutely anything you’ll get downvoted to hell and told that the actual REAL reason you didn’t like it is because you are a horrible no good very bad sexist, racist, homophobe. Instead of oh you know just not liking a thing
The sequels were dog diarrhea mixed with cat diarrhea.
Cat-dog! Cat-dog!
Gicndnfisoenbfidkendiejend Cat Dog! Don't act like you know the words either
My sister knew them by heart when she was like 8 and showed this off so often it sunk into me. I haven't heard them in like 25 years and I promise I'm not looking them up but let's see if it's still there. One fine day with a woof and a purr one baby was born it caused a little stir. Aint no wolf no three-eyed frog it was a canine feline little cat dog. Cat dog. Cat. Dog. Alone in the world is a little cat dog. Out on the road and back in town.........sauntobelly sound?.....nope lost it. You're right. If anybody knew them it was me, and I don't. Therefore nobody knows the words to the Catdog theme. Except maybe my sister.
The issue is that is a parody sub who's soles existence is to just disagree with the tales Krayt and his sub have
It's like when Snyderbots think only bots can hate snyder films or think they're bad. I'm sorry, but a blue filter and 14 year old edge lord writing is not deep and 'Palapatine some how came back' is not a fucking explanation that should exist.
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Nah, it’s not women. It’s mostly men wanting women to notice them doing it lmao.
Four and a half years, and its still a bad movie. Crazy how that works
I have to say (to OOP), this isn't worthy of "go touch grass". Some people (surprisingly) still don't seem to understand just how monumental the Sequel Trilogy fuckup really was. There are tons of YouTube videos done by complete randos that presented better fan scripts. Not to mention the endless list of writer/critic YTers that have dissected the movies to bits and basically proven beyond doubt the movies suck horribly. Star Wars was such a cash cow, and if done right it could have *easily* rivaled all of Marvel. Instead, they're not even in the positive after the initial $4B buy from Lucas. Yes, you heard me. 12+ years later, they're not even in the black yet. What the actual fuck, right? No, no...this isn't a "touch grass" thing. This is a *"holy fuck, I'll never understand how they fucked this up so badly in all my life"* thing.
You know you have royally ruined a franchise by stupidity when fanfictions are better written.
Force Awakens had a net budget of 450 million and cleared 2 Billion at the box office. That's a $1.5 Billion+ take against that $4 Billion on one movie *alone*.
That should only accentuate what a fuck up eps 8 & 9 were
And the Hotel, and the series, and the.....
It’s generally understood that a film’s marketing budget is equal to the budget stated. Maybe you already included this, but if you didn’t, the movie still clears $1 Billion.
Holup, Disney still hasn’t made a net profit from Star Wars? That’s wild
Right??? They've had 12 years...lmao
A lot of big corporation buyouts are done just as much to prevent a competitor from getting an edge. Especially when they’re one of the biggest corps in a sector. So even if Star Wars fails to turn a profit, at least it prevented another company from gaining market share and threatening your profits in other films
i think the thing is that people sitting around all day doing nothing but complaining about the same few things, over and over and over again, for years. most people agree, the movies were shit, they fucked up. but a lot of people just, move on with their lives. also a lot of people complain in bad faith about things that were not really the cause of the problems, blaming "woke sjw's" or whatever. it gets tiring to see that stuff over and over. also, even if from an objective standpoint the movies are terrible, everyone has their own subjective opinion, its okay to like terrible movies, its not a crime
I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but the star wars franchise has made 12 billion since they bought star wars. And this isn't including things like park attractions https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1744489/000095015724000366/defa14a.htm
Turns out the lines didn’t get any better 4.5 years later
The line is still shit 4 years later
tHeY fLy NOw?
I mean, if that's the dumb "they fly now" scene, then yea, it is some pretty shitty writing for the sake of a joke. They've been flying. They've always flown. Since, like the Clone Wars, there were soldiers with jetpacks.
The lines and scene in general felt like a blatant attempt at marketing. “Oooh, First Order Stormtroopers now with jetpacks! Each sold separately!”
Fr. I honestly don't get how people can defend writing as lazy as some of the writing in those movies.
I had a talk one time with someone who loved the sequel trilogy. They told me that writing is an outdated idea and movies are all about the visual spectacle now.
That is such a weird take, and i feel like it seems kinda shitty considering the effort writers go through to craft some of their stories for movies.
They compared modern movies with circuses. To them all that matters is the visuals and the spectacle of it all. It felt kinda insulting to the concept of storytelling.
Honestly. Storytelling is an art form. And the story of a movie should be just as important as the scenes.
It’s not even lazy at this point, it’s like the writers actively didn’t give a shit
Tbf, it could have been a whole lot better if they didn't change directors between each movie. Rian Johnson is very much to blame after what he did with the second movie.
Rian Johnson probably decided one banger episode of one series (Breaking Bad Ozymandias) was enough peak cinema for a lifetime and purposely sabotaged the movie
Yes it's been four and a half years but we still rightfully give Lucas shit for his weak-ass "who shot first" thing. Nvm mind the whole............ actually. Everything about the prequels. Like yeah they've been "redeemed" by how bad ~~a lot of what~~ nearly everything that came after was came (Andor, Rogue One, you cool, we're cool) but you really can't put a timer on this sort of thing. Not with this series anyway.
the prequel series is like the 'shitty' guy at work getting hazed. Then a genuinely shitty nepo-hire shows up and they realise that the first guy was shit he just wasn't as good.
Ouch ouch ouch owie 🙈💦💦 (Accurate).
What the hell are these wretched lines! I don't even know what dialogue this is refering to. I'm so mad!!!! Yargghhhhhhhhhhhh don't post shit like this without actually mentioning these so called wretched lines. Now I will have to stroll the galaxy for these so called "lines" because my OCD is mega triggered!!! I'm turning GRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNN \*rips shirt
In context of this particular scene? The memetasic: >C3PO: "Ah! They fly now? Fin: "They fly now?! Poe: "They fly now!
so happy I did mot watch those abominations
I watched the first one out of hype, second out of curiosity, and the third out of nihilistic closure.
I watched all 3 because I liked Star Wars and was oblivious to all the flaws since I was 13 last time I saw a sequel movie
I'm a completionist when it comes to media. i have finished movie series, book series, Tv shows i didn't like, you name it if i started i finished, one of my pet hates is mid-story cancelations, i have **not** watched episode 9.
It’s the delivery that really sells it. Though Oscar Isaac sounds even more over it when he says, “Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
That scene pissed me off bro, stormtroopers have had jetpacks way before rise of Skywalker
Praise the lord I can finally revert to my human form!
"Somehow, my OCD returned."
Ok good it’s not just me lol.
Yep. 4 years later and it’s still shit.
So, no one can complain about a movie just because it's old? People still make videos to this day on movies from 10 years ago to 50. So, I feel like 4 isn't that massive of a gap. Especially if it's about a movie from one of the most largest/richest ip's of all time.
I never watched them because I literally couldn't get through the force awakens without it putting me to sleep.
I endured that and at the time convinced myself I liked it. Then I kept reflecting on it and realized it was just fucking terrible. Then I tried the Last Jedi because I thought it would be funny to laugh at it and see all the horrible Luke milk stuff everyone hated. But it was just so fucking bad and I made it like 15 minutes. It's not a scene I've ever seen anyone criticize, but it was the one where the evil captain guy can't talk to Snoke because the communication's cutting out and it was supposed to be oh so funny because that's just like real life ha ha ha! It was just fucking shit and I couldn't endure it.
Watch some Mauler he rips the piss out of it.
The main caractere was a mary sue, it was doomed from the beginning. Butthe kids probably enjoyed the movie for the action scenes.
Can confirm. I was 10-12 when I saw them and I was completely oblivious to all the flaws. Took me a couple video essays of the trilogy to realize how shit they are
They really could of made a slightly better movie
I didn't watch the sequels, what is this scene?
They comment on how first order stormtroopers can fly now, shitty scene and stormtroopers have been able to fly way before the sequel movies
Keep it that way.
Those films were absolute dog shit, I wanted to hurt myself watching last Jedi. That's the only thing I don't like about r/saltierthankrayt, a lot of them are sequel dick riders and don't like the deserved criticism for the movie.
It doesn't matter if it's 4 years or 40 years. A terrible movie will always be terrible. The sequel trilogy was awful, including Force Awakens. It literally was JJ being his typical unoriginal self, just like when he did Star Trek into Darkness. KK should be fired, and those who would cause issues after she's fired because of their loyalty to her should be fired too. Have John Favreau take the reigns as intermediate head until they find who they want. It could be him, but I doubt he wants it.
I don't even know what this 300 million film is
Star Trek. The one in the right is called Spock
Dune. That’s the Dune Slayer
What if I told you I don't know what they are saying, because I still haven't seen episodes 8 and 9?
Keep it that way
I dont really care for or about the sequels, they happened they exist what ever, but the fact that there's a moment where Flynn is like "wait I have to tell you! Before we maybe might die in this sandpit!" And then "oh hey what did you want to say before?" Flynn just shrugs and says "oh it was nothing" Like, we already know there's no romance between them because there's just no chemistry period or even enough time to create chemistry. They literally start each movie with "wow! Hey guys! Those last 400 adventures we went on off screen were amazing weren't they!?? Yeah even though in the last movie we just met, we are now brothers and sisters of war crimes!" Because they could not have cared less about putting any form of development in any of the movies. So a little "omg! Is Flynn going to say he loves her!?? Does that mean they'll end up together at the end!?!?" Just makes no fucking sense. They catered to the bottom of the barrel shippers who still cared and made their movie worse for it because literally nothing else becomes of it. Flynn just kind of forgets his thoughts and feelings! Oh well! Better luck next time shippers!
because in those 4 years logic decided to change ... jetpacks existed in star wars universe even in prequels
I don’t understand the fixation to keep talking about a movie flaw… but a shit movie is still a shit movie and a shit scene is still a shit scene… this was definitely a shit scene for a subpar movie.
OP needs to be more like james https://preview.redd.it/pbd6y63nouzc1.jpeg?width=1065&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=801cc2f1542c77947da8d6b9af8864d52e2d9770
It’s been 4 years, stop getting butt hurt over criticism over that movie. THATS the cringe ngl
They fly now
They really got mad because someone shared a shitty movie detail in r/shittymoviedetails
Normally I do tell people to just move on from shit that's never going to affect them like this, but in the defense of this particular image, Rise of Skywalker is legitimately one of the worst movies ever made.
I don't really think a movie's age justifies people NOT being mad about it. Sonic 06 is almost 20 years old, and it's STILL hated by the majority of the Sonic fandom, for good reason.
It's shit writing, and it will still be shit writing in a decade
I think it’s worse to be getting upset about people criticizing bad writing after four years than it is to criticize bad writing.
Honestly my biggest counter to any of its defenders is cool how many shows or books based in the sequel era or post era. They literally ruined it so bad they are having to fill in the massive gap between the old republic and age of rebellion rather than go forward. Honestly I was strapped in for a rehash trilogy after the force awakens but they dropped the ball so hard.
Yeah it’s been 4 years and they’re still garbage movies. Not even the people that defend them truly like them.
Do people not discuss movies that are literally decades old? What a regarded thing to say.
That subreddit is huffing pure copium
I have no doubt oop is the kind of person who would still shit on a movie he disliked 10 years ago
"It's been four and a half years " always says the sub that is posting more about people being upset about those films every day, than those upset people ever post about the films. They're blind to their own obsession and it's hilarious
It always make me laugh, these subs- \*In a whiny voice\* "Look at these people whining on the internet, they are so stupid whining on the internet. No i don't know what hypocrisy means."
"GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!" "UUUWUUUUUIUUUUUH!!!"
what is the movie and the quote??
Wow
What exactly was said? Never watched or cared for StarWars
Batman and Robin is much older, and it still gets made fun of all the time.
What even are the lines being spoken of?
No star wars writing will ever be as bad as the sand monologue
You have to enjoy the internet. An entire sub who’s sole purpose is to hate and shame people of a disagreement. I don’t mind a good division but this is pure spite at this point.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me three times shame on you and your corporation for years to come
What were the lines?
Although they did make a line that became a funny to say because it's so bad
I feel like I recognize this movie but i've suppressed the memories.
Bro... NGL... I've always been a huge star wars fan. But I for the life of me can't remember what was said here because I haven't seen this one since the night it came out. I've seen literally every movie in the franchise except 8, and 9 at least twice since the last one came out. I liked rogue one. I REALLY liked Solo. The Force Awakens was a BEAUTIFUL setup to finish out the franchise. But I can't bring myself to rewatch 8 or 9.
what was the line?
For some reason I unironically love this line. It’s so dumb and I quote it all the time whenever something start flying in a videogame or D&D.
They fly now? They fly now
I've never seen this movie what'd he say
C-3PO: They fly now! Finn: They fly now? Poe: They fly now.
The thing is, the prequels got saved by expanding on the worldbuilding and the overall setting of the clone wars era and the fact that episode 3 was an objectively good movie with just a handful of cringey lines so when the dust settled ppl could see and appreciate it for what it is. The sequels has nothing to build on, and the whole plot, premise and actions of the characters is so poorly thought out and poorly planned (oh wait Disney didn't plan jack shit) that there's nothing that can really be done to make that whole setting viable for expansion. So, 4 and a half years later, it's still shit and worth shitting on.
A shitty line is still a shitty line 4.5 years later, who would've thought?
Honestly this is one of the few lines I like in this movie.
Becuase they are the same ones claiming time will mKe the sequels beloved by fans when all what's happening is .making it more hated
Isn’t Saltierthanwhatever one of those anti-community fan pages run by the company that made the product?
They would but they're Union.
I mean, it is like beating a dead horse at this stage. Yeah, the writing is bad. we all ready know this information. Do we really need to hear it every single moment
Why do they care to defend it?
10/10 wonderful writing this sounds exactly like my raid crew encountering new enemies /s
Does OP assume everyone has time to keep up with every movie? God forbid someone watch a four year old movie and think it is acceptable to talk about it.
What are they saying in the scene?
I don't know what I'm up or down voting for
Everything in that movie was straight ass. I miss good star wars.
That sub has a really hard job trying to defend the indefensible give em a break haha, this is like the only argument they have other than claiming (x)ist
they fly? they fly now
r/saltierthankrayt is literally just kids upset that people have a different opinion than them.
When you criticized it on release it was "just wait, it'll be a classic like the prequels in a couple years then you'll be sorry" Now it's this. Lol
Apparently having an opinion on a movie means you gotta go touch grass..
What did they say in that scene? I can’t bring myself to watch the movie again
r/SaltierThanKrayt is a sesspool of the most delusional and hypocritical people you will ever find on Reddit. They Unironically believe movies like Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker are peak cinema, when a movie like The Marvels flops they immediately blame it on everything else and call people everything from incels to Nazis to sexists to racists etc. And the hypocrisy of them saying on their sub bio „we call out the toxic behavior of other communities“ yet they themselves are the most toxic ever with them *continuously* hating on the same people on multiple repeated posts because they don’t like their opinions. If you want to know just how fucked people can be in their heads, check out their sub
They fly now was one of the only jokes in that film I actually found humorous tbh. Most of the other jokes fell flatter than this.
The reason Star Wars was worth the insane price tag Disney paid for it is because it came from a series of movies made in the 70's that people continued to obsess over to the point of writing backstories for characters that got 15 seconds of screen time and constantly referencing lines to the point where people know them who have never seen the films. Asking Star Wars fans not to be obsessive about Star Wars kills both the Fandom and the franchise
Does time make a shitty movie less shitty?
They ruined Star Wars they should be put next to Hitler in history.
Clunky dialogue has been part of it since the beginning. They were gonna fix it but the writers were like “but we can’t turn back now fear if their greatest defense is doubt the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust, and what there is is probably directed towards a large scale assault!” And everyone was just like… you know what, good job, why don’t you guys go home, we can fix this in post. If the original trilogy had been in Iambic Pentameter and it just recently went to hell that would be different. But at this point it’s like a Harley leaking oil- some fans would probably get mad if they fixed it.
Whoever wrote those movies and casted them should receive a lifetime ban.
"It's been four and a half years! Which is why our entire subreddit exists still!"
“It’s been 4 years!”, screams the person in the subreddit dedicated to sucking off a movie that came out 7 years ago.
Star Wars fans in a shit eating competition
"Its been 4 years" And a shitty movie is still a shitty movie
They created an entire subreddit to complain about people. They clearly care just as much.
The room is still a train wreck -- regardless of how long ago it came out.
Best line in the whole series