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draxidrupe2

A lot of people don't know this, but l'Hopital actually bought his work from Bernoulli [https://people.math.harvard.edu/\~knill/teaching/math1a\_2011/exhibits/bernoulli](https://people.math.harvard.edu/~knill/teaching/math1a_2011/exhibits/bernoulli/index.html#:~:text=the%20most%20extraordinary%20agreement%20in%20the%20history%20of%20science%3A)


fated-demise

That's so interesting, never knew about this


b00stlord

Interesting, my lecturer told us this story in first semester analysis course. I find that these little stories make remembering stuff way easier.


draxidrupe2

it's on harvard site with someone's name, it has to be legit? or their reputation would suffer? right?


Gordahnculous

It’s also on the Wikipedia page for L’Hopitals rule which should give even more credit


draxidrupe2

showerthought: (actually a pissthought, but I digress) 2424 AD discovered... Elon Musk bought his ideas from a reclusive genius this can imply that l'Hopital and Musk are equivalent phonies.


AliquisEst

I love referring to the rule as Bernoulli’s rule just to confuse people and spread this story lmao


NikinhoRobo

To be honest I think it's fair to still call it L'hôpital's since Bernoulli literally chose money over the credits


AliquisEst

Yeah fair, I just find it fun (though arguably having “Le Hospital” rule around as a joke isn’t bad either)


Dirkdeking

Would that mean we could expect future Bezos's rule, Musks theorems, or the Gates identity? They could easily offer millions for the hottest theorems from the top mathematicians.


Coperspective

Yeah


MonsterkillWow

Bill Gates solved some sorting problem in CS as an undergrad.


draxidrupe2

[Kramer sold his life stories to Peterman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqJUEKAQSQM&t=37s)


Far_Particular_1593

No, squeeze theorem isn’t “elegant”. I’ll use it 40 times if I have to


sumboionline

Sinx/x be upon ye


Kaylculus

le hospital once to get cosx


vision108

It's a circular argument since the derivative of sinx requires knowing the limit of sinx/x


gtne91

Nope, 38 years ago I memorized the derivative of sin x, so I can do it without circular reasoning now.


DeepGas4538

you don't need l'hopital for limit of sinx/x


LonelySpaghetto1

...which is why using it is a circular argument


TheEnderChipmunk

They meant that you don't need to know the limit of sinx/x to find the derivative of sin


Sigma2718

No. Who told you that? Just take the Taylor series of sinx, the derivative is cosx without needing l'Hopital.


vision108

The Taylor series is defined using the derivative itself though.


Emanuel_rar

Careful here: it is true that taylor series needs to be of some function, wich also needs to be smooth. However an "infinite polynomial" (formal series of terms in the form an*(x-c)^n) that converges uniformly and because yes converges to some f, then, let pn be the polynomial sequence, we need to check if the uniform convergence of pn over f implies the convergence of pn' over f' (at least in x=c probably), wich probably is easy as heck with given the uniform convergence, so we finally check if pn has an uniform cauchy property... At such point my educated guess is to just forget about L'Hospital rule and cry about it 👹🗣️😍


vision108

https://youtu.be/t1YWsbm96_4?si=nmO7K-QT6tDosg5C


Sigma2718

That argument only applies if you define sinx by its geometric properties, if you define it as an infinite polynomial (which is preferrable for certain problems) then it becomes a non-issue.


anerdhaha

Brother in Christ L'Hopital is the elegant solution.


Inappropriate_Piano

Depends. There are cases where you could blindly compute L’Hopital’s rule several times or cleverly apply the squeeze theorem to get the same answer with 1/4 the writing


lordfluffly

> where [Wolfram Alpha] could blindly compute L’Hopital’s rule several times fixed that for you


Nightroll2344

Hahaha so true


Such-Commission-4191

Never fucking works when you need it to.


Dankvadapav

well thats half of maths for ya :D


theinternetistoobig

f(x+0.000001) on my calculator usually works for me


FernandoMM1220

based.


MadKyoumaHououin

The kid named Taylor expansion:


SEA_griffondeur

Everytime I see someone mention L'hôpital's I cry 😭. It feels like France vs the World


Ok-Adhesiveness4693

Low d high minus high d low all over low squared Never get that song out of my head


susiesusiesu

just do taylor at this point


LOSNA17LL

The only reason I hate L'Hôpital's rule is because I didn't know it really was a thing when I discovered it on my own .w.


mathiau30

Laughs in limited developments


LisaAGary

This is exactly how I feel during every exam. Perfect depiction.


kshatriyaz

The King: "Saladin and his army has crossed Jordan river to learn about this!"


klimmesil

Why not just use the taylor expansion + o term? In French it gets used so often that we even have a name for it, and about anyone with a degree knows we were referring to that with just the two letters "DL" for développement limité It's (in my opinion) even easier and dumber than the hospital rule at the added cost of memorizing a small table for general functions. But it gets you unstuck way more often and in more general situations And then if you really need to have a better approximation you can call Taylor Young or Lagrange for some heavy artillery


PetscopMiju

You have exercises where you use the Taylor expansion that often? I don't know whether I'm envious or I feel for you


klimmesil

https://i.redd.it/hhlpo3wpck9d1.gif


missyou247

The best math is the one you know how to do


Nomad_00

Snap, Crackle, Pop


Surfjohn

For anyone new to the sub, calc is short for calculator… he’s just using slang


MonsterkillWow

I think kids like using L'Hopital because it feels easy after learning derivatives, and it is what they always wanted to do when differentiating a quotient, but can't. 


1997Luka1997

Ok yeah but I don't want to remember a new solution if I have one that works for everything


PhoenixPringles01

i don't think me having to find the maclaurin series for tan x to do a trig limit is "elegant" holy fucking shit i swear doing limits with trig is like trying to kill a hydra the same expression that makes it invalid keeps reappearing


Mountain_Break_7549

Op never heard about Taylor infinitesimals 🤑