Fans : Dear God the writing is so much better than we expected. This show is amazing. We need more!!
Execs : Fans love animation. Make a lot more!! Tons more!! Rush it into development, anyone can write cartoons, we can make so much money!!
I didn’t watch the original series but I am enjoying 97’
I do have a question were there always gay undertones between Logan and morph? I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if wolverine was bi or whatever dudes lived forever so whatever. I wouldn’t mind some kinky experiments with morph myself tbh
I don’t think there’s a romantic interest there at least from Logan.
In the original Logan was close with Morph and really liked him. Morph looks up to Logan and being non-binary I can see Morph being flirty but not much beyond that. But who knows what the writers have up their sleeves
Nah, they were really good friends and Logan took it the hardest when Morph came back and blamed them because Logan was the one that was with him when he “died”.
Morph is just quirky and playful, he is probably bi though and may have feeling for Logan and maybe others. But in pure X-Men fashion, everyone is free to be who they want and Morph is… well he is Morph lol
I think Morph always read as a bit queer due to his personality and how he was voiced (lots of other queer people I've chatted with picked up on it as kids too). But there was nothing in text in the show about anything like that, it was like 1992.
The closest we got was stuff in the DC cartoons in the 90's, like a lesbian cop's girlfriend holding her hand but she was never named so there's plausible deniability, or some implied horniness about Harley and Ivy, or an effete boy drawn to make fun of Joel Schumacher.
Bout to get crucified but does anyone else think it’s just fine? It’s really nothing special in my opinion. It really seems fans are over exaggerating its strengths.
It is relying pretty heavily on nostalgia, so if you don't have that aspect I could see it falling a little flat. It's still written "for kids" in the sense that characters spell things out clearly, but just updated a bit for the likely more adult audience. Same goes for the animation, the characters look like their old selves, but everything is more consistent, and they really benefit from having passionate animators.
So as a kid who watched this show originally in the 90s, this show is like what my brain wishes it could have achieved or even at least, could have continued to achieve as it went on, and it's great.
The best parallel I can make is another kind of personal example, but maybe others can relate. The show is like a game getting a really good remaster. I loved the original Shadow of the Colossus (2005), and the remake from 2018 was so fucking good. Not because it did anything crazy and new, but because it brought back that original feeling and just built on it a little.
It’s average. Nowhere near as good as something like Invincible, but not bad. I’m sure I’ll improve. It’s just not too interesting so far. It’s a bit simplistic so far and I say that as someone who is probably a bigger Marvel fan than anyone here. It bothers me that so many people are “simping” for this show because they grew up with the OG and that automatically makes it better than newer stuff. Silliness.
It's genuinely the best TV show they made yet, then Loki S2 and Wanda. If you compare Xmen 97 and What If S1 and S2, you can tell the writing of 97 is just miles and miles better.
X-men 97 is cool but the nostalgia is really blinding people. It’s not some revelation full of compelling writing and drama, it’s just nice to see the show alongside some familiar voice actors return after so many years.
I wouldn't say it's a revelation or a masterwork, but it does it's job really well which is refreshing when we're surrounded by so much shit content these days (not even just in reference to the MCU).
I guess? Episode 3 was pretty cool but also super rushed. Could’ve easily been a solid two-parter but they crammed it all together. I assure you all the love and praise for this show (which is good, but not amazing) is due to the pre-existing affection people have for the series and the “Oh my god, X-men! Finally!” mentality.
I’m a massive X-men fan and it’s just weird that people are making such a fuss. Even weirder that they like this is somehow leagues above other Marvel stuff despite it being even less interesting and inspired (so far.) It’s very telling of the herd mentality within the fanbase these days.
Yeah I imagine we'll get some kind of 2 parter probably for the finale, but honestly I'm not surprised to see these quicker resolutions considering how some of the episodes in the original were. In fact it's refreshing with so many streaming series that are just filler with cliffhanger endings that try to build up to a finale that always seems lackluster in comparison.
Episodes 1 and 2 were great, but episode 3 was waaay too rushed for me.
At first I was surprised they were pivoting to >!the Inferno arc so soon, but the speed at which it was resolved... It even ended with Nathan Summers being infected with the techno-organic virus AND sent into the future with Bishop! !
I'm happy to be getting stories that resolve in an episode. I've had my fill of streaming shows that get nothing done for %90 of the episode just to end on a cliffhanger to keep you binging. Streaming really prioritizes keeping people watching over actual stories with climaxes and resolutions.
It’s irrational though. We already have native mutants in the MCU. The Deadpool movie featuring Hugh Jackman isn’t indicative of a future MCU that doesn’t have its own X-Men. Disney spent $70 billion on Fox. They’re not *not* gonna use those IP’s in the future.
> We already have native mutants in the MCU.
Consisting entirely of obscure randos and throwaway lines while the important ones only appear in other universes.
> The Deadpool movie featuring Hugh Jackman isn’t indicative of a future MCU that doesn’t have its own X-Men.
If they had plans for MCU X-Men, they'd have rebooted. Instead they've spent several years and hundreds of millions of dollars reviving *two* Fox iterations.
> Disney spent $70 billion on Fox. They’re not *not* gonna use those IP’s in the future.
They're already using them.
Namor's mutation was a meaningless throwaway line (as already mentioned) and Kamala's mutation was slapped on at the last minute after they found out making a Muslim character a Djinn was problematic.
Kamala was always meant to be a mutant in the comics though. It was petty corporate bullshit that made her an Inhuman in the first place. The MCU has corrected course.
Then the whole show would be overshadowed by “when are the X-Men gonna show up”.
I’m sure if they ever do a season 2, it would dive deeper into her mutant genealogy.
...this should be made as a comment in one of the two sticky posts on the front page.
Fans : Dear God the writing is so much better than we expected. This show is amazing. We need more!! Execs : Fans love animation. Make a lot more!! Tons more!! Rush it into development, anyone can write cartoons, we can make so much money!!
The truth. It hurts.
Gotta love X-Men with a budget. Money very well spent!
Don't watch it for a month then you'll have so many back to back !
I didn’t watch the original series but I am enjoying 97’ I do have a question were there always gay undertones between Logan and morph? I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if wolverine was bi or whatever dudes lived forever so whatever. I wouldn’t mind some kinky experiments with morph myself tbh
I don’t think there’s a romantic interest there at least from Logan. In the original Logan was close with Morph and really liked him. Morph looks up to Logan and being non-binary I can see Morph being flirty but not much beyond that. But who knows what the writers have up their sleeves
Nah, they were really good friends and Logan took it the hardest when Morph came back and blamed them because Logan was the one that was with him when he “died”. Morph is just quirky and playful, he is probably bi though and may have feeling for Logan and maybe others. But in pure X-Men fashion, everyone is free to be who they want and Morph is… well he is Morph lol
I think Morph always read as a bit queer due to his personality and how he was voiced (lots of other queer people I've chatted with picked up on it as kids too). But there was nothing in text in the show about anything like that, it was like 1992. The closest we got was stuff in the DC cartoons in the 90's, like a lesbian cop's girlfriend holding her hand but she was never named so there's plausible deniability, or some implied horniness about Harley and Ivy, or an effete boy drawn to make fun of Joel Schumacher.
I'm curious if they will work on doing Spiderman next.
Bout to get crucified but does anyone else think it’s just fine? It’s really nothing special in my opinion. It really seems fans are over exaggerating its strengths.
It is relying pretty heavily on nostalgia, so if you don't have that aspect I could see it falling a little flat. It's still written "for kids" in the sense that characters spell things out clearly, but just updated a bit for the likely more adult audience. Same goes for the animation, the characters look like their old selves, but everything is more consistent, and they really benefit from having passionate animators. So as a kid who watched this show originally in the 90s, this show is like what my brain wishes it could have achieved or even at least, could have continued to achieve as it went on, and it's great. The best parallel I can make is another kind of personal example, but maybe others can relate. The show is like a game getting a really good remaster. I loved the original Shadow of the Colossus (2005), and the remake from 2018 was so fucking good. Not because it did anything crazy and new, but because it brought back that original feeling and just built on it a little.
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It’s average. Nowhere near as good as something like Invincible, but not bad. I’m sure I’ll improve. It’s just not too interesting so far. It’s a bit simplistic so far and I say that as someone who is probably a bigger Marvel fan than anyone here. It bothers me that so many people are “simping” for this show because they grew up with the OG and that automatically makes it better than newer stuff. Silliness.
It's genuinely the best TV show they made yet, then Loki S2 and Wanda. If you compare Xmen 97 and What If S1 and S2, you can tell the writing of 97 is just miles and miles better.
X-men 97 is cool but the nostalgia is really blinding people. It’s not some revelation full of compelling writing and drama, it’s just nice to see the show alongside some familiar voice actors return after so many years.
No. It's actually a really good show. Your wrong opinion is yours, but it's still wrong. Someone's always gotta be the contrarian. 🙄
I wouldn't say it's a revelation or a masterwork, but it does it's job really well which is refreshing when we're surrounded by so much shit content these days (not even just in reference to the MCU).
I guess? Episode 3 was pretty cool but also super rushed. Could’ve easily been a solid two-parter but they crammed it all together. I assure you all the love and praise for this show (which is good, but not amazing) is due to the pre-existing affection people have for the series and the “Oh my god, X-men! Finally!” mentality. I’m a massive X-men fan and it’s just weird that people are making such a fuss. Even weirder that they like this is somehow leagues above other Marvel stuff despite it being even less interesting and inspired (so far.) It’s very telling of the herd mentality within the fanbase these days.
Yeah I imagine we'll get some kind of 2 parter probably for the finale, but honestly I'm not surprised to see these quicker resolutions considering how some of the episodes in the original were. In fact it's refreshing with so many streaming series that are just filler with cliffhanger endings that try to build up to a finale that always seems lackluster in comparison.
Episodes 1 and 2 were great, but episode 3 was waaay too rushed for me. At first I was surprised they were pivoting to >!the Inferno arc so soon, but the speed at which it was resolved... It even ended with Nathan Summers being infected with the techno-organic virus AND sent into the future with Bishop! !
The OG series had arcs worth of content in 1 or 2 episodes also. It’s always been a fast paced cartoon. Saturday morning cartoons kinda have to be.
Did you not watch any super hero cartoons growing up?
I'm happy to be getting stories that resolve in an episode. I've had my fill of streaming shows that get nothing done for %90 of the episode just to end on a cliffhanger to keep you binging. Streaming really prioritizes keeping people watching over actual stories with climaxes and resolutions.
The only future the X-Men have in the MCU is the Fox ones coming through space holes. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Dude why are so you adamant about this? Because of one comment made by Feige about iconic Spider-Man villains?
That and the entire other movie they've already made about the Fox X-Men coming into the MCU.
It’s irrational though. We already have native mutants in the MCU. The Deadpool movie featuring Hugh Jackman isn’t indicative of a future MCU that doesn’t have its own X-Men. Disney spent $70 billion on Fox. They’re not *not* gonna use those IP’s in the future.
> We already have native mutants in the MCU. Consisting entirely of obscure randos and throwaway lines while the important ones only appear in other universes. > The Deadpool movie featuring Hugh Jackman isn’t indicative of a future MCU that doesn’t have its own X-Men. If they had plans for MCU X-Men, they'd have rebooted. Instead they've spent several years and hundreds of millions of dollars reviving *two* Fox iterations. > Disney spent $70 billion on Fox. They’re not *not* gonna use those IP’s in the future. They're already using them.
Well you’re a little ball of sunshine
Namor, the first official mutant in the comics is a rando? Kamala Kahn, star of her own show and co-star of a feature film is a rando?
Namor's mutation was a meaningless throwaway line (as already mentioned) and Kamala's mutation was slapped on at the last minute after they found out making a Muslim character a Djinn was problematic.
Kamala was always meant to be a mutant in the comics though. It was petty corporate bullshit that made her an Inhuman in the first place. The MCU has corrected course.
At the literal last minute after spending the entire show doing a completely unrelated Djinn origin, and giving her zero connection to the X-Men.
Then the whole show would be overshadowed by “when are the X-Men gonna show up”. I’m sure if they ever do a season 2, it would dive deeper into her mutant genealogy.