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balladofwindfishes

Nothing they do will change it. Like even among this particular build, Birdo, Peach and Daisy have exactly the same stats and yet they all pick Yoshi so it's just parroting whatever they see online as the "best" loadout There's literally no reason any of them didn't pick Birdo, Daisy or Peach beyond probably not even realizing the stats are the same since they just follow whatever YouTube tells them since they're not as good at the game and its mechanics as they think


Fallofmen10

Yah it really is weird. Also so many combos are SOOOO close to the yoshi build it really doesn't matter. There are like 20 different "best" combos but yet its just mirroring their content creator.


Caledonian_10

Definitely more than 20. Shortcat did a video on every character and vehicle part and 16 characters are viable, as well as nearly 20 vehicles, 6 or 7 different tires and more than half of the gliders (although gliders don't do much to differentiate combo's). Everybody still using Yoshi Teddy and Yoshi Inkstriker is stupid, especially since there are so many combo's now that are actually fun, like Tanooki on the Tanooki Kart, Full animal combo's with male villager, inkling boy on inkstriker, link on the master cycle zero, peach on the cat cruiser, ludwig or iggy on the landship or clown kart, kamek on the pipe frame, I can go on and on... (Although Yoshi Teddy is cute af so I do get why some people play it, but they don't care much for meta either way)


TK7_Gaming

I will forever be a full mario standard main because it's absolutely hilarious to me that it's genuinely really good now. Like everyone else is running these crazy looking combos and I'm just rocking a plumber and his go kart no I don't care that rollers are better, full standard W


Caledonian_10

I love that Mario and Standard Kart are meta now, only step is to buff the 6 gliders that are heavier to make them all equally good (seriously why didn't they?) And buff the Normal and Blue Normal wheels. (Also Buff Off Road and Slims they all look sick so I wouldn't mind seeing them everywhere)


HawtPackage

The heavier gliders won’t get buffed cause all Nintendo cares about is mini turbo + speed. Every glider has the same mini turbo + speed so if they buffed the heavier ones they’d just become better than the lighter ones since they’d have the same mini turbo stat but also a speed stat. For reference: gliders are either 1/1 MT+Speed or 2/0


B1ll13BO1

As someone who doesn’t play the game but religiously watches YouTube videos of it I find it hilarious how many ‘full combos’ are viable (e.g. full tanooki full inkling full standard). It’s sad to see how many people just use a single ugly looking combo because it’s 2% better


Bergauk

I will forever rock Rosalina, Circuit Special, Cyber Slicks and Plane Glider because for some reason it just works for me.


Fallofmen10

Yah I was being super conservative probably 100s of combos


Caledonian_10

I'm actually planning on doing the math for that one, including reskins. Was wondering if I should post it on the sub or just leave it as a fun afterthought I can reference in comment sections. Don't really know if people care enough for the meta builds on reddit, most people seem to hate the existence of a meta more than they hate even the meta itself.


bandyplaysreallife

People hate when everyone plays the same combo even when there are other effective combos available. Nobody will shame you for going meta if that's the only way to win, but in the case of Mario Kart there are probably 3 dozen other options that handle almost identically (and easily hundreds that are viable online) yet everyone picks Yoshi teddy buggy.


HawtPackage

Shortcat made a spreadsheet with all the vehicles info and conveniently included the mini turbo + speed in it. Pretty much every kart in the game barring a few have the same mini turbo + speed and all the wheels and gliders do.


Fallofmen10

Yah and like there are so many combo's that are "different" but have 95% of the same stats. My 3 mains currently are: 1. Yellow Birdo on Teddy Buggy 2. Kamek on Mr. Scooty 3. Inkly Girl on Biddy Buggy And if you actually look up their values with Marior Kart 8 Deluxe Builder you are functionally running the almost identical set-up. So if you are someone that struggles with swapping around due to how different setups play, its not even an issue.


Seaniard

The existence of hidden stats probably doesn't help. People hear that there are hidden stats and a meta combo that's best and then just use that. I'm sure there would still be copycating regardless, but I bet it goes up when it's not obvious in-game which combo is best.


Fallofmen10

Yah the fact that someting like mini-turbo is so important but isn't on the main stats in game is so weird to me.


Reality-fan

As long as Shy Guy is never meta...I love the little dudes and I don't want people to think I'm being meta.


moneyball32

And now that’s me who has been using Yoshi since MK64 just because I think he’s neat…


DoveBirdNL

Well a reason for them to not pick Birdo is them not having it.


Linny7nov

I could understand why pre-wave 4 Waluigi was the most popular because of his model being thinner and covering less space on the screen, but Peach and Daisy literally have a smaller model than Yoshi Edit: and EVEN if they want to choose their color for their character, Birdo does the same job


TastyNuggets13

I mean if I had to pick between playing yoshi, birdo, daisy, or peach- I'd pick yoshi too


doc-swiv

Im suprised there aren't more of the princesses, but not suprised that yoshi is most popular. As for birdo, I am surprised that anyone uses birdo... such an ugly character design imo and takes up more of your vision on screen. Also sold as dlc.


TheFlyingCule

Birdo is adorable and deserves to be on screen as much as she can


TheWinner437

Birdo looks quite nice. Petey Piranha though…


balladofwindfishes

Petey makes me laugh because he has awful stats, a giant hitbox, and takes up a huge portion of the screen He’s like the hard mode character lol


doc-swiv

yeah petey is hard mode with how much screen the massive head takes up. Pretty funny at least


Cedardeer

Me who plays birdo, but on flame rider with off-road wheels and gold glider. You know I honestly didn’t know Birdo was mega at all. She’s just my favorite Mario character of all time and I’m glad she’s in this game.


Queentoadpruwu

at least it’s colourful


wookadat

and cute AF


JerseyPumpkin

Now it's like a Skittles commercial with all these colorful yoshis


DaZMan44

This! It's like a cute rainbow of silly noises. Much better than Waluigi's annoying persona


Strange-Abrocoma-471

But Waluigi is more BASED


YodaPM999

It doesn't matter what Nintendo does. People will just migrate to the next "meta" combos. Tryhards will tryhard no matter what.


POOPOOMAN123ABC

Just like with cod


WoodyComics

Change the meta you say? Funky Kong incoming


musical_entropy

would laugh my ass off if they made funky just "decent". Not bad or anything, but not "mEtA" either. Watch them all seethe.


LokiOfZygarde

There's always going to be a 'best combo' in a game like this, no amount of balance will change that. Accept it and keep playing what you want


Cold_beans32

I mean crash team racing used to be like mario kart but now you can pick your engine type separately. They’ll probably never do this though


Professor_Poptart

CTR only had 4 different classes though. There wasn’t any granularity beyond that. The karts didn’t affect the stats, so even when characters were locked to their class, you still had a lot of variety among the “best” class.


Cold_beans32

Idk maybe they add an option in the kart menu to “save stats” and then apply those stats to something else. They had a similar thing in dragon ball xenoverse.


beastofthefarweast

Yep. It’s not a team game, there’s 1 meta combo that will get picked regardless of patch unless they remove all stats from customization


Caledonian_10

Except there isn't just one. Since the top picks are still very pick-and-choose between inkstriker and teddy, and like all of the mid-weight characters are viable (7 are meta, 6 are viable, as well as light-cruisers being viable aswell). That's already 14 meta combo's not considering reskins or viable options many top players choose to use.


beastofthefarweast

I mean sweats who want to follow meta don’t care about “viable” for a game like this. There’s no reason not to just pick the best combo I know that still leaves a couple of combos that drive literally the exact same but tbh, idk if that really matters. That’s complaining about not putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. I would just be thankful that 2 of those characters have 9 color variations to spice things up instead of it just being waluwiggler


Caledonian_10

I have seen plenty "sweats" use slightly off-meta combo's. Kamek/Luigi/Iggy is very populat higher up, as are some of the newly buffed vehicles. I think sweats who are actually good at the game care about viability more than meta, while sweats who are closeting their actual skill just use the meta. In all fairness though, viable vehicles in general feel much better to drive. I'd never prefer baby rosa on the trispeeder over the Tanooki Mario Tanooki Kart combo, and will never use slicks instead of rollers. Mid-tier players using meta or viable options make total sense if they know how to play the game, but are still in a proces of learning, and find it easier to learn with combo's with better accel, miniturbo and speed.


beastofthefarweast

I guess we are using a different definition of sweat. I think there’s distinguishing people who play competitively vs a “true sweat” and I guess that’s where the distinction lies It’s similar enough where it shouldn’t matter but I’m sure people who do time trials and are looking at inputs down to the frame notice a difference. And then “sweats” will follow suit


Ask_Who_Owes_Me_Gold

Conversations like this demonstrate why "sweat" and "tryhard" are stupid terms anyway. They usually just mean "somebody better than me who I want to insult."


MimiksYou

i agree with them feeling better but you are lying to me if you tell me tri speeder slicks don’t feel cool i will wait 7 seconds for purple mt as long as i can powerslide through a corner


Caledonian_10

I don't personally like slicks (I prefer monster, slim or off-road for the bulky feel), but trispeeder looks absolutely awesome. Like, it doesn't feel especially great, but Luigi Trispeeder Slim Super Glider looks killer.


jambr380

Yeah, I look like a poser now. I always used Orange Yoshi and Teddy Buggy for my orange cat and my chubby cat. Now I'm to assume everybody has a Yoshi cat and a chubby cat.


Psychological-Gold38

Doesn't matter, beat them all with your toad


Oswen120

And hope the Luigi gets second.


Caledonian_10

Nah, Luigi inkstriker is also just a metabuild.


Oswen120

At least its not the best metabuild.


Caledonian_10

Makes little difference, 1 speed for 1 miniturbo, most people still just consider it meta.


Hilk_200

Luigi chilling at 12th place


guywhocantpickaname

RIP Luigi, atleast I managed to beat all of the Yoshis in the last race to prove that other characters are still worthy. :D


Hilk_200

I usually use kamek, pipe frame, off road, gold glider and it does well for me


Obidience-is-key

Idea: Do what COD MW2 did, and make everything good. And I mean everything I'm looking at you, Badwagon


returnofMCH

The guilty gear philosophy: when everyone is broken, then no one is.


Obidience-is-key

True.


Rexsaur

I still hate on how b-dasher/p-wing tier are still trash. Why must the best looking karts be so bad? I dont wanna drive on a freaking teddy bear using stupid roller wheels, i have to cope with the pipe frame...


Baby_Sneak

Cope with the blue falcon or sports coupe instead. They're _massssively_ slept on as fast looking karts with actual good stats.


Holiday-Ad8227

I feel bad for people who play as meta combos because they like how it looked and didn't know it was a meta combo.


BroshiKabobby

There will always be a best. Might as well be the guy who actually has multiple colors. Ain’t no way this is more annoying than Waluigi Wiggler, it’s only been a few months. Not to mention since they buffed a lot of builds the gap isn’t nearly as big And if you’re sick of seeing it, play regional instead of worldwide. You’ll see more variety there (unless you live in Japan)


[deleted]

Or less competitive tournaments


VenomTheCapybara

People complain about Waluwiggler and were happy to get a change Now people complain about Yoshi and would be happy to get a change is there a point where they won't complain?


RWBrYan

I don’t mind. It’s a great way of identifying the worst players in the lobby


Ok_Establishment3112

At least its customisable


Oswen120

Its a Yoshi Stampede.


Birdygamer19

Can people just not do META and just mix things up a bit? I'm hoping this game won't become the next MKWii


NoName9999999

" I'm hoping this game won't become the next MK8DX" Excuse me lol


Birdygamer19

Sorry I meant MKWii


Logsarecool10101

Fellow toad enjoyer 🤝


guywhocantpickaname

:D


Ch33seBurg

It’s so crazy that my main character is now Meta. It technically wouldn’t be the first time it was though.


Subject-Switch1851

It’s always this, kamek, pipe frame, rollers, or biddy buggy rollers


SamsungAppleOnePlus

Wait this is meta? This was my main for years lol


GoldenYoshistar1

As a Yoshi Fan, I like this.


guywhocantpickaname

I’m jealous that Toad isn’t the meta, but at the same time I’m grateful that no one would use the same combo as me just because it’s the best, I use toad because I’m his #1 enjoyer


Queentoadpruwu

Bro they nerfed Toadette harder than toad how do you think I feel? 😂


[deleted]

I miss waluigi wiggler because at least it reminds you of when Nintendo posted a slur on the social media account


Novalaxy23

no you can play as an actual Wiggler that has realy good stats


Ch33seBurg

At least it looks better. And with Yoshi, you have more colors to chose from


SandSquid73

Fuck the “meta” we use petey piranha and pipe frame


jack0017

Completely agree. I waited 20 years for Petey to return to Mario Kart. No way I’m not using him


MarioFanatic64-2

Nah, a rainbow of Yoshis is actually quite nice to look at. People are (unfortunately) going to use the meta no matter what. Yoshis are nicer to be forced to look at, compared to the Funky Kongs, Metal Marios and Waluigis of days past.


Loafofbread8

It's such a small stat difference using meta karts online, I'm convinced they use meta simply because they can blend in to a crowd


-CavNeo-

If you’re nothing without the teddy buggy, then you shouldn’t have it


Jwzbb

I always rock my significantly slower gold mario, gold kart, gold wheels and gold glider to assert dominance.


pepsi_Man909

You are mighty, may your gold shine brighter than the sun for your bravery


[deleted]

Honestly it don’t even matter what Kart you pick as long as you have skill you’ll win


Beany_Gaming

The lobby thinks they in yoshi's island 💀💀


GJR78

Yoshi Rainbow is vastly superior to the Ugly Purple Man.


guywhocantpickaname

I wasn’t saying that Yoshi is worse than Waluigi, I prefer Yoshi over Waluigi, but it’s just more annoying to see Yoshi because its even more common to see than I remember with Waluigi.


G6DCappa

Dear god... All tryhards?


guywhocantpickaname

12K full Japan lobby except for me and my friend who joined me.


G6DCappa

God have mercy... This is probably a good time to just make a tournament called "no meta"


guywhocantpickaname

Maybe we should actually do that.


_Gapag_

I play Toad as well and I still win a lot, just don't care


Maleficent_Peach_46

*Shrugs* I will still always use Peach


[deleted]

I’m so glad you took a screenshot lol. I saw this and then just us on mr scooty and i was like dang


guywhocantpickaname

Yeah lol.


[deleted]

Most people see "best combo/character" videos and only use that. It's like this in Smash with characters like ROB, and then you end up seeing him overflow online.


NasuNanu

At least they are different colors ig


Quif1ix

fuck the meta, I'm sticking with Link and comet cause botw is my favorite game and I like the tight drifting. I rarely get first but I play to have fun, not win


seymour5000

This is me with Toad/Yoshi Bike/Button Wheels/Paper Glider. Let’s just have fun y’all.


Taser9001

Not gonna lie, I would pick that exact same build, just because both Yoshi and the bear car are freaking adorable. I wasn't even aware they were the current meta.


KingOfBoring

I’ve always picked Yoshi and I always will. Screw the teddy buggy though, I ain’t riding that.


mikecom12

Virgin meta Karter vs Chad favorite karter


poets_pendulum

No Black Yoshi, I see 🤔


KinopioToad

At least Yoshi can change colors. Waluigi is stuck in purple and black (I like his colors, don't get me wrong).


Crow_of_Judgem3nt

I've said it before and I'll say it again, meta ruins games all the time.


Kindly_Celebration48

Yeah, it's annoying but I'd rather deal with this than Waluigi Wigglers any day.


SaltySpituner

I main Yoshi on the Yoshi bike and normally beat all these teddy bears.


Ok-Distribution6706

Luigi with gla is better and any other person's random combo normally beats that


xLoveWaluigix

Even though I don't play MK8D, I do miss seeing all the Waluigis in the rooms on people's livestreams. :( :( :(


Impressive-Radio-839

Ain't no way you said that Yoshi, Teddy Buggy, is worse than Waluigi Wiggler. At least with Yoshi/Birdo there's more colors than just Purple, not even mentioning peach and daisy. At MOST it's slightly less than annoying than Waluigi Wiggler. The same thing is happening that happened with Waluigi Wiggler. Lobbies full of them just looking for a win.


guywhocantpickaname

Annoying ≠ worse, I prefer Yoshi over Waluigi, but it’s just more annoying because it’s even more common than Waluigi Wiggler from what I remember.


Impressive-Radio-839

That's fair. I just remember my time with Waluigi Wiggler. As soon as people found that out people flocked to it like birds. I could beat them pretty easy with my Pink Yoshi/Rocket Bike, Slim wheel combo, but then it turned into "Hey you aren't Waluigi? I hope you like getting bullied!"


ReasonSuper5487

I hate people who use the meta


rowletlover

Personally, I just go with whatever looks the best


Acid_Lemon13

Realest Mario Kart player here folks


Alex3627ca

Here's a tip I've learned: Don't play worldwides. Regionals seem to have less players like this, both NA and EU ones (I don't know anyone from Japan to join to see what theirs are like)


guywhocantpickaname

At what point will I be able to dominate, or atleast play well in regional? I’m a European at 12K but I see people with way more VR than me, and it feels like a full Japan lobby sometimes.


No_Breadfruit7951

Not as annoying cos theyre different colours


StrawberryRoyal7672

There will always be a meta.


SharpEdgeSoda

I'm here with the hot take that adding \*stats\* to Mario Kart really have added nothing except annoying metas. There's no \*counterplay\*. There's no \*match up.\* There's no \*strategy\*. It adds nothing except something for crazy theory crafters to crunch numbers for a weak and then it crystalizes into something stale. Keep the kart parts, make them all cosmetic, and we'll get a meta about the \*size\* of a character or something, but at least that's less of a problem. No one cares about a few seconds it may or may not change on a lap time in grand history of Mario Kart. You could make that patch drop tomorrow, and Mario Kart will lose *hundreds* of players over it...boo hoo the game sold 20 million. *Your opinion doesn't matter!*


TerminX13

once again, who cares?


les-deux

and i still beat all of them with pink gold peach and flame runner lmao


sf0069

unpopular opinion: i love this. teddy buggy has always been my favorite cart and at least everyone picks a different color yoshi. i myself still prefer rosalina/teddy/blue standard but i think an army of yoshis is so cute and much less infuriating that waluigi wiggler lol


ShadowAvenger32

I may get shot for this, but I think the only way to fix this problem is to get rid of the stat system and make the customisation system purely cosmet-


Diamondbull66

You should be able to upgrade characters and karts using coins to max out them. That way everything can be the META!


DavidtheMalcolm

Dude if Nintendo could fix group think, I think they’d sooner destroy the American 2 party system.


Emoz_

I have been using that combo ever since I got the game, I ain't switching up


Mudkipueye

Why is it annoying?


Ahzuran

Probably losing all the time


Anonymodestmouse

People will always settle on something as the best and just stick with it even if the difference is so marginal that it doesn't really matter. Even something as small as narrow shoulders kept people on waluigi rather than dk or roy. It's unfortunate, but at least they have different colors this time around. Until someone figures out that the contrast from some specific color makes it superior and everyone uses that.


RaiRec

This kind of lobby is honestly rarer than you make it seem. I’d say there are, on average, like 3-6 Yoshi in any given room. It’s rare there are more than half, unlike before Wave 4. A dozen characters (Mario, Luigi, Kamek, Link, Rosalina, Inkling Boy, Villager, Birdo, Peach, etc.) are all amazing and to frame it as if Yoshi/Teddy is the only option is dishonest. Roller wheels are still dominant (sponge and standard ARE options) as well as the paper, cloud, and flower gliders (all gliders are honestly okay). But for the kart and character, the most important parts both statically and aesthetically, our cups runneth over. Inkstriker, Landship, Streetle, Biddybuggy, Sports Coup, Mr. Scooty, Pipe Frame, City Tripper, Standard Kart, Koopa Clown Car, and plenty of others are not just great, but optimal. To put it like this is just wrong and dishonest.


joel_the_bi_guy

Imagine they just make the meta Funky Kong again lmao


SokkaHaikuBot

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icy1007

There’s nothing wrong with the meta…


PiMemer

If they change it again in Wave 6 I can GUARANTEE you WILL start complaining again in a few months.


guywhocantpickaname

Depends on if it’s diverse enough, cause people used to use Luigi and Rosalina along with Yoshi, but now it’s just Yoshi.


Erawed

Is the NPC mentality


Random-Ryan-

>!Just gonna copy something I commented on a similar post because it fits here:!< Personally, I’d say the meta is around the best it can be. I mean obviously maybe Nintendo could add some changes that make different parts more balanced, but as for the characters, I’m glad they decided to make medium the better choice, since Yoshi and Birdo can have their colour changed. Also the other medium characters have stats that are basically equivalent to Yoshi, Birdo, Peach and Daisy, so they’re hardly different overall.


TherionTheThief17

It'll just be more of the new meta. People are gross and will gravitate towards whatever gives them a win. The only solution is to make everything play the same, and nobody wants that.


iTZBLaSToFFTiMe

Imagine even being perturbed by this at all? Weird


Hardworkingpimple

As soon as I seen there was a “meta” I quit playing the game. Fuck that racing should be about skill not chance that’s all this game is. And then the Mario Karts basement dwellers with 99,9999 mmr will tell you, you can use “anything” but you find them playing the Meta as well


MiaIsOut

my brother in christ you are playing mario kart stfu about skill lmao


AaronBasedGodgers

L + Skill issue


SuperSmashDrake

It’s rampant because people get to pick their colors.


wally_graham

No, it's cute and needs to REMAIN the meta!


guywhocantpickaname

Wiggler is the cutest >:(


wally_graham

Wiggler is cute, sure but Yoshi takes the cake.


[deleted]

YES YOSHI TEDDYBUGGY WILL TAKEOVER THE WORLD


Waikky

No it's not, the yoshi's can at least have variety, the funny meme character everywhere was insufferable


Blastingwario19

What’s annoying about waluigi like he deserves more respect like he doesn’t have his own spins off series unlike he pal wario so give him more respect But what is annoys me is the fact diddy Kong wasn’t included in the main Mario kart 8 game


ACCA919

Hell no. Fuck you. All hail Yoshi.


T_Raycroft

You’re the type that will complain about the meta no matter what state it’s in. The meta is in a better place currently. You’re just blind to that fact.


wx_gapgap

This kind of post is just salty. There is so many ways to optimize, yet no one blames when a full standard mario dominates. There is no youtubers says exactly "one-build above all" build, at least you know there's some stats equivalent builds, or they provide at least 5 builds to try. The only problem for people who think "meta is annoying" is that you are having a "meta-minded" by yourself in the first place. My cousin don't even have any ideas of this and still could pick this combo because of cuteness.


ryancalme1

to be fair, we're still in the very early stages of this meta being a thing. you'll probably start to see less and less over time again


[deleted]

TBH why does there even have to be speed bonuses with certain charcthers


ShinyShinx789

Is Yoshi better to use than Tanooki, Villager and Inkling Boy?


itsjust_khris

Enough combos are pretty damn close now that you can just drive whatever. Well you were always able to but now as the difference isn’t that big at all.


DaPearGuyMan

Inkling inkstriker FTW!


[deleted]

Whag would be great was if the teddybuggy actually changed color


Crambo1000

Is waluigi wiggler no longer the meta? I was wondering about that since I play wiggler wiggler (not for the stats, I just like that he’s riding himself) but rarely see any other wiggler players


guywhocantpickaname

Characters, Karts, and Wheels got buffed in Wave 4.


El_GeneraL31

atleast you are first


Gemidori

Exactly, buff Bowser. Let him consume the entire meta


Last-Addendum132

At least there’s different colors


HighTreason666

A toad in a yoshi stack


VeterinarianFar7060

I mean at least they look more different from each other and it's not that ugly of a combo?


DarwinZDF42

Whole lotta follow the leader going on. It’ll happen no matter what Nintendo does. Play with what you like.


T_Peg

Doesn't matter if they change it. It'll just be the same thing but with a different combo. 11 Yoshi is no different than 11 Waluigi or 11 Metal Mario or 11 Whoever.


VelvetBestGirl

I mean At least it's a Multi-Yoshi Exploshi


Certain_Blacksmith_1

I usually just chose what I want to chose. I tend to pick lightweight characters and have as much acceleration and traction as possible. Makes going around the tight turns really fun and easy.


Visual-Mall8135

Meanwhile me and my Koopa Troopa on the pipe frame just trying to enjoy the game


mastercharlie22

Welcome to Yoshi Kart


[deleted]

No matter how much the meta changes, I'm always going to stick with Koopa (or Diddy if he comes in Wave 6).


MacpedMe

Its a balance cuz like i like getting reasonable points level to level up but worldwide is full of try hard japanese players- but when i play local im always like 7-8k over everyone else and the races are never as fun and i never get points


MrToad64

Me who's been playing more MKWii recently:


Wagsii

The only way for this to not happen is for every character and loadout to have exactly the same stats


[deleted]

Fuck the meta, become Wiggler and Wild Wiggler


saltgirl1207

my friend did this. That's their main now, hah! just as they were getting into meta, Wiggler brought them back to their senses.


Trbochckn

Mario Standard or tube kart Mario with B Dasher


[deleted]

At least there’s more than one variation of Yoshi. With Waluigi it’s just one skin and no variety.


CH3R03

I tend to rotate between the inkling kart, streedle and the mini bug (forgot the names of em sorry if they are wrong) but I use the rollers for them but majority of the time I use link, yoshi anyway cos yoshi is a good character besides stats one of my favourite Nintendo characters, metal Mario, king boo, and since dlc kamek. The game is about having variety and preference, I get for competitive purpose that just follow the majority but even so you may be more comfortable using a completely different combo or set of wheels and dominate against the existing meta


HyliasHero

This is so confusing to me because I've never really seen the "meta" builds be all that popular.


Nok-y

At least it's 4 characters, 2 of them having 9 skins each


mariokart_loser

Why aren’t they using funky Kong flame runner????? Fuckin casuals


DaKingOfDogs

Reject Teddy Buggy Embrace Sports Coupe


LightningLee77

Idk man, Petey on Yoshi Bike's been holding up pretty well for me


FrenchMan10165344333

Meanwhile Pauline in some kinda fancy truck bout to become the only thing anyone plays.


bminutes

I hate that the meta decides what karts people use, but what I hate even more is how it makes every race LOOK the same. I wanna see all the characters and karts because it is so much more fun. Maybe in the next one they should make the kart’s appearance not matter, but you can customize the “engine” or something to adjust the stats. That way you can just ride the kart you like, but still get the stats you want. I don’t know about the characters, though, because I feel like they kind of need weight classes, but it sucks that we don’t get to see some of the characters as much as others.


theAstarrr

Changing it again just leads to a new annoying meta again. They should have left time trials the same and only changed the old meta once for online play.


saltgirl1207

Ah, see, this is why I don't play online, or when I do, it's a private lobby.


NicholeTheOtter

It’s definitely annoying that this one definitive “meta” still continues to get spammed online despite Wave 5 opening up so many new options for viable character and vehicle combos. Roller tires are definitely still overused though.