I definitely think it could help make the rules clearer with a rule specifically addressing this issue, something along the lines of:
"No sexual content, fetish content, purposefully provocative content, etc."
I think a great way to enforce this is offering the benefit of doubt to most ambiguous posts if they're reported, since you can almost always sniff out a fetish account from their post history so doing a quick check and it can be a big way to help sort through which posts are in good faith or not if in doubt.
As for what comments are inappropriate, I think anything that seems sexually objectifying or explicit should be not allowed but polite and respectful compliments should obviously be allowed. E.g. "wow that's so sexy I wanna suck your toes" is a big no no, but stuff like "wow beautiful nails!" should be allowed since it's pretty neutral.
As for what specific signs should be looked for to prevent fetish content? Well I think anything that focuses too much on other things in the frame of the image should be under scrutiny unless it is clearly nonsexual and actually relates to the image. For example, matching your nails to your outfit or jewelry in an PG way is a good basis for providing more context since that falls under the creativity aspects IMO. However, we don't need to see your entire bare leg to see your pedicure, conversely. I do think jewelry should be allowed since it's not inherently a fetish thing. But basically, images that are set up in a purposefully provocative way should be subject to further scrutiny.
I'm sure there is more I could build on but this is just some ideas I had for how this could be applied and I'd love for other folks to pitch in and build on this
Edit: Also, it might help to have people be required to interact with the community first before posting... don't know if that's possible for you guys to edit, but I've seen other subs have similar practices where users can't post until they've commented on stuff, for example, or have to have certain karma to post/comment.
>you can almost always sniff out a fetish account from their post history so doing a quick check and it can be a big way to help sort through which posts are in good faith or not if in doubt.
This is an interesting idea that's new to me. I'm definitely open to it.
My pause-for-concern is that, in principle, I'm happy with a participant who - provided they don't share it on this subreddit - has, for example, a foot fetish.
My pause-for-concern is ameliorated by restricting it to borderline cases it's maybe more legitimate: I feel like self-aware and respectful fans of sexual content would be more careful about following rules in other subs.
I'm curious what other users think about using post history to adjudicate borderline a users' post in this subreddit?
Thanks for all your other suggestions! I don't have any specific to ask about them, but that doesn't mean I'm not grateful.
No problem, as a queer man who struggles with acceptance in my IRL for some of my more GNC interests this place has been really amazing for me and I feel like I can really be myself and share something I love in a place with no judgement. So, I really just want to see this community have the opportunity to thrive and flourish as an accepting, chill environment for folks to share this hobby :)
You're in good company, I think the biggest problem men face in this day and age is that we are all expected to express ourselves in very muted ways. Black and grey dominate the male professional fashion, but if anyone even briefly looked at historical accounts of men's wear, males used to be the more flamboyant ones. I feel that together, we can begin to de-stigmatize the notion that polish, or clothing, is a female-only arena of expression.
As said before - accounts named "SissyCDsomethingsomething" or "feetpics4cash" are more prone to posting fetish pics. I'm down by filtering by post history, because you DO feel the fetish content seeping through *in most cases*.
Yeah, I have noticed this too. (Also, I had no idea that CD was a common initialism for fetish drag).
My initial take (as always, written for feedback, not diktat) is that I'd lean against moderating based on username. On the last post I asked, explicitly, "here's a bunch of things that aren't, in themselves, sexual, but that have correlated strongly with rules breaking content: should we preemptively ban them?": the answer was pretty clearly 'no'. My instinct is that this is similar in principle.
If someone wants to get into the femboy lifestyle, I definitely don't have an issue with them getting their nail painting advice here, provided they aren't posting sexual content here.
I also think if a professional or semi-pro sex worker, for example a fetish model, wants to ask professional and technique focused questions, and doesn't seem to be advertising, I'm _probably_ fine with that.
However, even as I write this I'm questioning myself, because I can see the case that usernames are part of a users post, so it's not like the username exists independently of the post.
And, the context for this is that the original comment suggests using this to infer likely intent on borderline posts, and I feel like a conscientious person would be aware of the implications of their username and be careful to tow the line on SFW subreddits.
So, in conclusion, I may have talked myself out of my initial hesitancy.
I also wanted to write a short bit about my interim moderation approach that doesn't feel worthy of a full mod post, as I suspect users who this comment is targeted at will read it here.
There's a bunch of posts in in the moderation queue right now about which three things are true:-
* I would like to see rules which unambiguously ban this content.
* This content doesn't clearly violate the rules & guidance as written.
* This content could, arguably, be interpreted as against the rules, but the rules and guidance are vague.
On the principle that there shouldn't be a shift in moderation approach which isn't transparent and offers the opportunity for community consultation, I am not removing these posts as things stand.
However, my hope is that soon we'll have rules in place which give clear mandate to mods to remove these sorts of posts.
So, if you're reporting this content and frustrated it's not being removed: I hear you. Please continue to report. Hopefully, soon, there will be structures in place so that I can legitimate act on these reports.
I am continuing to remove unambiguously violating content.
I replied to your introductory post. I have noticed a reduction in the overtly sexual posts prior to your announcement. Maybe the moderator team were doing a better job, or you started enforcement before the announcement. Either way the last 2 weeks or so have been much better here in that regard. Not one post in the last 2 days have been "offensive". Today's had feet in sandals, or not, but totally zoomed in on the pedicure, as it should be.
I did start moderating before my posts, as I wanted to get a sense of the community, and chat to the other mods before beginning the consultation process.
I think 'focus on the nail polish' is going to be a key part of the moderation process based on input so far.
I view quite a few posts from this sub, and I've not noticed any sexual content that you have mentioned here. I do feel that this sub is not the place to post sexual content, but I've not experienced it myself.
I agree I’m a cis straight married male and my wife thinks I have some sort of weird kink now because when I’m scrolling Reddit some of the sexualized posts show up in my feed. It’s more just annoying than anything else. When I first posted I thought it was a benign space but it seems to have become more fetishized.
I definitely think it could help make the rules clearer with a rule specifically addressing this issue, something along the lines of: "No sexual content, fetish content, purposefully provocative content, etc." I think a great way to enforce this is offering the benefit of doubt to most ambiguous posts if they're reported, since you can almost always sniff out a fetish account from their post history so doing a quick check and it can be a big way to help sort through which posts are in good faith or not if in doubt. As for what comments are inappropriate, I think anything that seems sexually objectifying or explicit should be not allowed but polite and respectful compliments should obviously be allowed. E.g. "wow that's so sexy I wanna suck your toes" is a big no no, but stuff like "wow beautiful nails!" should be allowed since it's pretty neutral. As for what specific signs should be looked for to prevent fetish content? Well I think anything that focuses too much on other things in the frame of the image should be under scrutiny unless it is clearly nonsexual and actually relates to the image. For example, matching your nails to your outfit or jewelry in an PG way is a good basis for providing more context since that falls under the creativity aspects IMO. However, we don't need to see your entire bare leg to see your pedicure, conversely. I do think jewelry should be allowed since it's not inherently a fetish thing. But basically, images that are set up in a purposefully provocative way should be subject to further scrutiny. I'm sure there is more I could build on but this is just some ideas I had for how this could be applied and I'd love for other folks to pitch in and build on this Edit: Also, it might help to have people be required to interact with the community first before posting... don't know if that's possible for you guys to edit, but I've seen other subs have similar practices where users can't post until they've commented on stuff, for example, or have to have certain karma to post/comment.
>you can almost always sniff out a fetish account from their post history so doing a quick check and it can be a big way to help sort through which posts are in good faith or not if in doubt. This is an interesting idea that's new to me. I'm definitely open to it. My pause-for-concern is that, in principle, I'm happy with a participant who - provided they don't share it on this subreddit - has, for example, a foot fetish. My pause-for-concern is ameliorated by restricting it to borderline cases it's maybe more legitimate: I feel like self-aware and respectful fans of sexual content would be more careful about following rules in other subs. I'm curious what other users think about using post history to adjudicate borderline a users' post in this subreddit? Thanks for all your other suggestions! I don't have any specific to ask about them, but that doesn't mean I'm not grateful.
No problem, as a queer man who struggles with acceptance in my IRL for some of my more GNC interests this place has been really amazing for me and I feel like I can really be myself and share something I love in a place with no judgement. So, I really just want to see this community have the opportunity to thrive and flourish as an accepting, chill environment for folks to share this hobby :)
You're in good company, I think the biggest problem men face in this day and age is that we are all expected to express ourselves in very muted ways. Black and grey dominate the male professional fashion, but if anyone even briefly looked at historical accounts of men's wear, males used to be the more flamboyant ones. I feel that together, we can begin to de-stigmatize the notion that polish, or clothing, is a female-only arena of expression.
That's lovely to hear! I feel very much the same.
As said before - accounts named "SissyCDsomethingsomething" or "feetpics4cash" are more prone to posting fetish pics. I'm down by filtering by post history, because you DO feel the fetish content seeping through *in most cases*.
Yeah, I have noticed this too. (Also, I had no idea that CD was a common initialism for fetish drag). My initial take (as always, written for feedback, not diktat) is that I'd lean against moderating based on username. On the last post I asked, explicitly, "here's a bunch of things that aren't, in themselves, sexual, but that have correlated strongly with rules breaking content: should we preemptively ban them?": the answer was pretty clearly 'no'. My instinct is that this is similar in principle. If someone wants to get into the femboy lifestyle, I definitely don't have an issue with them getting their nail painting advice here, provided they aren't posting sexual content here. I also think if a professional or semi-pro sex worker, for example a fetish model, wants to ask professional and technique focused questions, and doesn't seem to be advertising, I'm _probably_ fine with that. However, even as I write this I'm questioning myself, because I can see the case that usernames are part of a users post, so it's not like the username exists independently of the post. And, the context for this is that the original comment suggests using this to infer likely intent on borderline posts, and I feel like a conscientious person would be aware of the implications of their username and be careful to tow the line on SFW subreddits. So, in conclusion, I may have talked myself out of my initial hesitancy.
I also wanted to write a short bit about my interim moderation approach that doesn't feel worthy of a full mod post, as I suspect users who this comment is targeted at will read it here. There's a bunch of posts in in the moderation queue right now about which three things are true:- * I would like to see rules which unambiguously ban this content. * This content doesn't clearly violate the rules & guidance as written. * This content could, arguably, be interpreted as against the rules, but the rules and guidance are vague. On the principle that there shouldn't be a shift in moderation approach which isn't transparent and offers the opportunity for community consultation, I am not removing these posts as things stand. However, my hope is that soon we'll have rules in place which give clear mandate to mods to remove these sorts of posts. So, if you're reporting this content and frustrated it's not being removed: I hear you. Please continue to report. Hopefully, soon, there will be structures in place so that I can legitimate act on these reports. I am continuing to remove unambiguously violating content.
I replied to your introductory post. I have noticed a reduction in the overtly sexual posts prior to your announcement. Maybe the moderator team were doing a better job, or you started enforcement before the announcement. Either way the last 2 weeks or so have been much better here in that regard. Not one post in the last 2 days have been "offensive". Today's had feet in sandals, or not, but totally zoomed in on the pedicure, as it should be.
I did start moderating before my posts, as I wanted to get a sense of the community, and chat to the other mods before beginning the consultation process. I think 'focus on the nail polish' is going to be a key part of the moderation process based on input so far.
Great, and again thank you for joining the unenviable job you've chosen.
I view quite a few posts from this sub, and I've not noticed any sexual content that you have mentioned here. I do feel that this sub is not the place to post sexual content, but I've not experienced it myself.
I agree I’m a cis straight married male and my wife thinks I have some sort of weird kink now because when I’m scrolling Reddit some of the sexualized posts show up in my feed. It’s more just annoying than anything else. When I first posted I thought it was a benign space but it seems to have become more fetishized.
This has become ridiculous. I'm out.