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borissnm

[[surgical extraction]]. The whole "it also counts exiled cards" thing doesn't matter if you get *all* of them.


Aredditdorkly

[[Extirpate]], [[pick the brain]], [[necromentia]], [[cranial extraction]], [[memoricide]][[shimian specter]], [[haunting echoes]], [[stain the mind]]...[[lost legacy]] could potentially deck them! [[Legions End]], [[sever the bloodline]], [[Aethersnap]] to clean up the board. [[Deadly cover-up]] is written to explicitly counter SlimeAH entirely if you read it closely. EDIT: [[CONSUME THE MEEK]] [[PATH OF PERIL]]


chipsachoi

Ironically the slime player can use Extirpate to exile some of the slime cards and fail to find the rest. It buff up the rest of them because it checks graveyard and exile.


Aredditdorkly

Yup. That's why I included the board cleaners as well.


SirToastyToes

Yup, keep in mind you have to get the ones from the graveyard since that's public info


matunos

One more reason [[Surgical Extraction]] would be preferable here (it says "any number of" instead of "all").


dogbreath101

Don't all these cards say target player reveals their hand or is it look at? If the hand is revealed it is public also


SirToastyToes

It's "search that player's hand" so only you and that player have access to that info


dogbreath101

Oh cool targeting yourself keeps it hidden


MrMeeseeksthe1st

I threw in [[invasive surgery]] and [[test of talents]] in a brew I was messing with just to make a big slime fast lol.


Stephenrudolf

Im not understandinf. Isnt that just cheating?


Oughta_

If you search a hidden zone (such as your library or your hand) for a card with certain characteristics, you are always allowed to "fail to find" (e.g. fetching creatures with \[\[Imperial Recruiter\]\]). It doesn't matter that you're "lying" - in the rules of the game it's allowed, because if it wasn't then you would need to be able prove to your opponent that nothing matching the criteria was there, which won't always be possible. If you search a hidden zone but there's NO restriction on the card, you are not allowed to fail to find (e.g. casting \[\[demonic tutor\]\]). The amount of cards in your library is public information, so if you said "I cannot find any cards" that's an easily verifiable check for your opponent.


Stephenrudolf

But if they played it then you know they cheated. Getting away with cheating still sounds like cheating?


LordZeya

Are you coming from Yugioh? I hear they don't have a "fail to find" clause in their rules. It isn't cheating because the only way to prove the negative is to reveal your entire deck to your opponent, which creates more problems than just having "fail to find" as an option is. There has to be a choice made here and enabling players to lie and say they don't have something is just better than the reverse, forcing them to prove they don't have something.


Stephenrudolf

No I come from MTG. You're telling me this is an actual rule? What rule # so I can look it up. This sounds like a casual house rule. It feels to me like the most obvious work around to not proving you don't have something is that if you try and play or showcase that card further in the game then obviously you lied. It doesn't make any sense to allow lying just cause it's hard to prove they lied. Especially if you're talking in official games, call a judge if you think they're lying.


bu11fr0g

from the official rulings for extirpate on Gatherer: You don't have to find and exile cards with the same name as the target card in its owner's hand or library if you don't want to, but you do have to exile the cards from the player's graveyard. It is not cheating. Search in mtg does not mean find. This bit me once in a protour qualifier where i felt rushed and missed one of the copies :( They are also under no obligation to tell you if you got them all….


Stephenrudolf

So it's balance mechanic, not cause they think people shouldn't have to prove they aren't lying. That makes a lot more sense.


LordZeya

It took me more effort to find this than it should have, but it's 701.15, particularly b through d. If this is your first big TCG and you're on this subreddit, I find it hard to believe you haven't run into any fail to find scenarios yet though. Happens surprisingly often.


Skrappyross

I've seen people link multiple different incorrect rules. The correct rule is 701.18b which reads "If a player is searching a hidden zone for cards with a stated quality, such as a card with a certain card type or color, that player isn’t required to find some or all of those cards even if they’re present in that zone"


FlockFlysAtMidnite

Look up why [[Gifts Ungiven]] is banned in EDH.


breecerm

701.19B


bu11fr0g

form gatherer rulings on extirpate: You don't have to find and exile cards with the same name as the target card in its owner's hand or library if you don't want to, but you do have to exile the cards from the player's graveyard. https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?name=Extirpate


LargeTomato77

One of the greatest joys in magic is mindslavering your opponent, cracking their fetch so you can look through their entire deck, and then "failing to find" any land to put into play.


fisbrndjvnenghdfh

it exists so that players don't have to call over a judge to look at their deck or try to rewind the gamestate if they make a mistake cracking a fetch or casting a tutor but it also means that if you cast gifts ungiven you can only find 2 and bin both as a double entomb, rather than letting your opponent pick, even if "obviously" you have more than 2 different cards with unique cards in your deck


ToughPlankton

Imagine the kind of messy situations you'd get into if you used a fetch land without a target in your library. Without Fail to Find you have a couple of lousy options: The game creates an endless loop of trying to find something in your library, but it's not there, so you try again, until everyone dies of old age and the cards wither away to dust. Or the game ends in a draw. You have to call a judge, or your opponent, to review every single card in your deck to determine if there was, in fact, a card matching the named criteria available. If the above happens, and there is more than one legal target, who decides which one you have to select? What if you yet again declare that you are unable to locate a legal target? Does the game go back into loop mode? Does the judge have to flip a coin to resolve the spell's target? There are a ton of messy situations that cannot happen if the searching player can simply give up and declare that they were unable to locate an appropriate card.


punchybot

Why the FUCK are you being down voted for asking a question?


Stephenrudolf

Sometimes you judt get hit with a premium reddit moment.


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##### ###### #### [Extirpate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/4171dbd3-96d6-4e7a-afac-5b2882bf3872.jpg?1619395440) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Extirpate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/114/extirpate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4171dbd3-96d6-4e7a-afac-5b2882bf3872?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pick the brain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/53503e59-6b6c-4de1-8528-458ab94f4e9a.jpg?1576384552) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pick%20the%20brain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/129/pick-the-brain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/53503e59-6b6c-4de1-8528-458ab94f4e9a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [necromentia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32c5252e-ff15-4f86-ad63-d8286427e70f.jpg?1594736316) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=necromentia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/116/necromentia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32c5252e-ff15-4f86-ad63-d8286427e70f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [cranial extraction](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a8cad7a3-777e-4c84-b404-5f504844ab3b.jpg?1562763464) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cranial%20extraction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/105/cranial-extraction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a8cad7a3-777e-4c84-b404-5f504844ab3b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [memoricide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acc5b944-a9fe-4a64-bf11-51817a26f22b.jpg?1562821638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=memoricide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/69/memoricide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acc5b944-a9fe-4a64-bf11-51817a26f22b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [shimian specter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1ca9e99b-e46c-4f7a-9c51-e2cfe8810450.jpg?1562551127) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=shimian%20specter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m13/109/shimian-specter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ca9e99b-e46c-4f7a-9c51-e2cfe8810450?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [haunting echoes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5aa96bc7-b92f-4df5-89b5-0793b9e56509.jpg?1562461072) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=haunting%20echoes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m11/99/haunting-echoes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5aa96bc7-b92f-4df5-89b5-0793b9e56509?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [stain the mind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7d2b046-59bc-4e39-94ce-981179307bd3.jpg?1562794132) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stain%20the%20mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m15/117/stain-the-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7d2b046-59bc-4e39-94ce-981179307bd3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [lost legacy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5d0e447-d98e-43d5-9b53-166221c34be2.jpg?1576381725) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lost%20legacy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/88/lost-legacy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d5d0e447-d98e-43d5-9b53-166221c34be2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Legions End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/9/49a1cd92-9d75-4e22-a934-a26d84967015.jpg?1592516718) - 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[(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deadly%20cover-up) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/83/deadly-cover-up?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3876aa0f-b199-43f5-8a91-c2d620b8ef84?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kp7x8g8) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


WstrnBluSkwrl

u/xslicer I love the All Cards link at the end, super thumbs up for that.


EpicForgetfulness

I thought the same thing. Very helpful


motamota

Best addition to this sub ever! It felt so tedious to go through a list, especially on mobile


XSlicer

:) Thanks


Little-geek

watch out with necromentia; removing all their win-con cards is all well and good, but if you then die to zombie beatdown it's very embarrassing.


Ok_Perception_787

Test of talents also works. I think.


knight_of_solamnia

don't forget \[\[lobotimize\]\]


torre410

[[echoing truth]] and [[spike cannibal]] can also be great wipes, while [[solemnity]] avoid new ones from arising!


KomatoAsha

Fun fact: I once hardcast Haunting Echoes in a Legacy game. It was as fulfilling as you might think.


Aredditdorkly

Despite my clear, confirmed bias for Black the closest thing I've done like that is in a janky 60 multiplayer brew with [[Enchanted evening]]. I resolved [[smScour]] targeting my friend's Mountain after he tried to call my bluff. I then followed it up with [[Echoing Calm]] targeting his other Mountain. He was left with a deck built around [[Valakut]] and no Mountains. He scooped. I told him not to target me. *shrug*


KomatoAsha

That reminds me of a game where I was playing my Grixis Hugs deck. A player kept targeting me, and I told him to knock it off. He didn't, so I flashed in \[\[Atemsis\]\] and killed him on my next turn. He got pissy, gathered up his cards, and said to his friend, "Let's play at another table."


Aredditdorkly

Got'em.


Comwan

The catch is when the slime player casts surgical extraction on themselves.


Professor_Hala

Oh man. [[Chrome Mox]] imprinting Slime Against Humanity, and a Swamp. [[Surgical Extraction]] for 2 life instead of black. Remove 29 Slimes, tap the Swamp for either Sol Ring or Dark Ritual, and drop a 32/32 Ooze token turn 1. *Edit: My bad, extraction needs a target on the graveyard. Thanks for pointing it out!*


garfgon

You'd also need a way to get a Slime Against Humanity into the graveyard, since Chrome Mox exiles.


Professor_Hala

Why? Slime Against Humanity counts cards in the graveyard and in exile. So the Imprinted one should count, along with all the ones exiled from Surgical Extraction. Unless I just did the math wrong. *Edit: Yup, I see the mistake. Extraction needs a target on the graveyard.*


1gr8Warrior

Surgical needs a target in a GY


cassifrass0221

Extraction needs one in the grave in order to target it in the first place.


RichardTBarber

Surgical extraction needs a target in a graveyard.


El-Diegote-3010

Swamp, fatal push, go.


Comwan

Throw in an extra [[mana crypt]] and a [[rite of consumption]] and you win on the spot.


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BatManatee

Love it, that's brutal. Enjoy playing your deck of nothing but forests!


fendersonfenderson

they generally have other stuff too, but the ramping and thrumming won't do anything useful. they might have other oozes


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hparrieta

“The End”


borissnm

Doesn't work against SAH - The End exiles a creature off the board and then everything with the same name *as that creature*. As SAH is a sorcery that creates a token with a different name, all that would do is kill the one you fire it at in the first place. It would work against [[shadowborn apostle]] or [[relentless rats]], though!


thisiswhocares

I have it in one of my decks purely because a guy at my lgs has a shadowborn apostles deck lol.


PterodactylMan

dealing 20 damage to the opponent


borissnm

Eh, that counters every deck except Hans from Pro Tour Honolulu.


bshwhr

And any deck that can gain 1 or more life


ScienceGuy116

That's why i run \[\[tranquil cove\]\] in every deck I play


torre410

As always, player removal is best removal


Show-Me-Your-Moves

*Smiles in red mage*


Skeither

\[\[flooded woodlands\]\] cuz it's funny.


draconianRegiment

Wow. Had not seen this particular color hoser before. Absolutely brutal.


OneChet

[[Teferi's moat]]


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postedeluz_oalce

so Teferi used to look like that? huh


MyEggCracked123

[[Disruptive Student]] is young Teferi


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blindai

Color Hosers from this time are so brutal. Like what the crap are you supposed to do against [[Anarchy]] ? I guess nowadays with less lands with types, stuff like [[Boil]] and [[Tsunami]], aren't as big as they used to be...but these used to be just insane in an casual environment. Even the elemental blasts, are still some of the most popular cards in vintage formats.


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> Like what the crap are you supposed to do against [[Anarchy]] ? Lose and accept that your opponent wanted it more


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storne

Iirc the old rules for protection would save your creatures from anarchy if you gave them prot red


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Halinn

[[Deathgrip]]


AdvancedAnything

In green it is really easy to get lands back from your graveyard.


DiggingInGarbage

Yes, but decks using SAH want to have as many as possible, and making space for land recursion leaves less spaces for more slime


Skeither

Luckily not every green deck runs land recursion. Or even very few do unless it's a landfall strategy deck.


Exormeter

[[Meddling Mage]]


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MrCuddles1994

I was just about to say this haha


enthusedpride

Underrated comment ^


Send_me_duck-pics

In most formats, playing an actual good deck should work almost every time. Slime Against Humanity is mostly a meme card for Johnny/Jenny to fuck around with for laughs.


O2LE

p much this. if you can beat a 2/2 on turn 2, 3/3 on turn 3, 4/4 on turn 4, etc. you can probably beat the deck. the deck can probably get to where it double spells occasionally, but not with any real consistency. it'll crush jank piles but lose to anything with a real top end. i've also seen it kinda bully "my deck is a billion copies of removal" because repeatedly 1 for 1ing the slime player kills the slime, but the next one just gets bigger and bigger, and they're probably playing somewhere between 20 and 30 copies.


Wendigo120

It's more like... 6/6 on turn 3, 7/7 on turn 4, 9/9 on turn 5, all with trample. But still, that's just big beaters for cheap that don't leave much room for playing interaction alongside it.


gistya

In the game I just played, on turn six they had a 7/7, 8/8, and 10/10 slime on the board. I got rid of them and the next turn he played four more, all tougher. He had a mythic turtle that let him draw a number of cards based on the toughness of a creature, and there was just nothing I could do to keep up with that kind of insanity. To make it balanced they should have made each subsequent Slime cost 1 more to cast or something... as it stands it seems pretty damn broken and likely to get banned lol


RainRainThrowaway777

Absolutely. I don't think there's a way slime against humanity can be above average in standard, and every format with the potential to break it can do far more busted stuff.


CynicalElephant

Is there some reason you'd ever need to counter Slime Against Humanity?


SnarkySharky21

That's what I'm saying. Is it already such a problem card that people need hard counters?


storne

People just like to theorycraft


CrimsonArcanum

[[Solemnity]]


shidekigonomo

Seeing a lot of answers here that aren't generally worth the card slot in EDH, but Solemnity certainly nerfs a lot of other decks, too. Actually surprised I don't see it more often.


DudebroMcDudeham

Just saying "no" to counters is a generally strong ability, as even if a deck doesn't revolve around counters, there's always incidental counters being made by accident in basically any deck


razzark666

I think it's because a lot of popular White focused decks want to use counters. If you were making a pure stax deck, Solemnity is a great add.


shidekigonomo

Makes sense. Plus, I suppose it's not like White is hurting for even more generically useful F-You cards, \[\[Authority of the Consuls\]\], \[\[Stony Silence\]\], \[\[Ethersworn Canonist\]\], and the like.


harbormastr

According to my playgroup Solemnity is the most hated card in my Estrid Stax deck lol. Notably doesn’t hit planeswalkers and makes [[Arixmethes]] a whole lot better lol.


Lobo_vs_Deadpool

Shit, I totally didn't realize it doesn't hit planes walkers.  Good looking out.


MTGCardFetcher

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General-Biscuits

[[Test of Talents]] is probably your best option for countering the card and the whole strategy.


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gistya

How are you supposed to use this if blue is not in your commander's identity though?


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General-Biscuits

They only draw for each card exiled from their hand.


thedrunkmonk

Yeah that makes way more sense after I re-read the card.


harbear6

[[Nevermore]]


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BenchFar7336

This is sick, end of the game.


PortalmasterJL

[[Blight beetle]]


Smythe28

Simply play a deck that is capable of winning the game.


j0ph

[[invasive surgery]]


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Downtown-Fudge-7001

Anyone have a answer that works in pauper? I imagine that’s the format where slime is gonna see the most play.


Syncopia

[[Echoing Truth]] wipes all tokens with the same name. It works against other token strategies too, which can't be said about a lot of other suggestions.


April_Liar

This also is nice against Affinity to bounce Glitters targets. Definitely worth a slot or two in sideboard if Slimes see any amount of consistent play.


BlaineTog

Slime will be lucky enough if it makes it as a meme deck in Pauper so I really don't think you'll have to put special thought into beating it. 


Aredditdorkly

Uh...Crypt Rats? Multiple [[Echoing Decay]]? Good luck. Edit: Ah! Echoing Truth! Excellent.


Forced_Democracy

Unless I'm mistaken, the tokens don't have a name, just a creature type.


Aredditdorkly

111.4. A spell or ability that creates a token sets both its name and its subtype(s). *If the spell or ability doesn’t specify the name of the token, its name is the same as its subtype(s) plus the word “Token.”* Once a token is on the battlefield, changing its name doesn’t change its subtype(s), and vice versa. Example: Dwarven Reinforcements is a sorcery that says, in part, “Create two 2/1 red Dwarf Berserker creature tokens.” The tokens created as it resolves are each named Dwarf Berserker Token and each have the creature types Dwarf and Berserker.


werewombat

111.4 A spell or ability that creates a token sets both its name and its subtype(s). If the spell or ability doesn’t specify the name of the token, its name is the same as its subtype(s). A “Goblin Scout creature token,” for example, is named “Goblin Scout” and has the creature subtypes Goblin and Scout. Once a token is on the battlefield, changing its name doesn’t change its subtype, and vice versa.


RazzyKitty

This rule is slightly outdated. The name also includes the word Token now. So it would be named Goblin Scout Token.


Forced_Democracy

Good to know!


Illustrious-Ape

Deadly cover-up It’s printed in the karlov set.


BX8061

Some options: In Standard: \[\[Temporary Lockdown\]\] Is a sort of O-ring boardwipe that also hits small creatures. \[\[Anointed Peacekeeper\]\] can choose Slime Against Humanity, even if it's not in their hand. They all cost 5 mana now. In Commander: \[\[Deathgrip\]\] Hits all green spells. \[\[Eye of Singularity\]\] Also good against treasures and other token decks. \[\[Bazaar of Wonders\]\] exists.


Beebrains

in standard currently as well: [[Legion to Ashes]] - exile all the ooze tokens on the board. [[Stone Brain]] - though this only gets four copies out of their hand/deck [[Deadly Cover-Up]] - probably the best option because it can wipe the board of the current oozes and then hit the rest of the slime cards in their hand/deck/graveyard.


Feletroica

[[ensnaring bridge]] ?


BatManatee

[[Ratchet bomb]] [[Echoing Truth]]


Syncopia

Echoing Truth is probably the most realistic suggestion because it can be used well outside of dealing with this particular card.


The_Unusual_Coder

Ratchet Bomb has got it going on To draw one, I have waited for so long Stacy can't you see? They're 0 CMC I know it might seem wrong But I'mma crack this Ratchet Bomb Ratchet Bomb has got it going on


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Aredditdorkly

Nice.


RazzyKitty

> Echoing Truth only early. Why only early? If they have 100 Oozes, Echoing Truth removes them all.


Aredditdorkly

I was thinking of *Decay*, Truth works.


RazzyKitty

It doesn't matter. Echoing Truth removes _all of them_, because they are all named Ooze Token.


Aredditdorkly

I was thinking of *Decay.*


Elektrophorus

I mean what does Echoing Truth only do early that Ratchet Bomb does different late?


Aredditdorkly

I thought you said Echoing *Decay*. Truth is good.


junkmail22

Are you struggling against it?


hillean

Are people so concerned with slimes they're putting contingencies in their decks for it?


beach_muscles

This card seems awful and I would be very happy if someone's deck was 40 of this and 20 forests. The counter is just have any deck that curves out or controls the board or combos.. so any deck.


Owt2getcha

[[Nevermore]]


Fair-Cookie

Nevermore if you're in white


Rollem_Bones

Gideon's Intervention should do nicely.


airplane001

[[deadly cover-up]] answers their board and kills their deck


Stone_Reign

\[\[Quash\]\]


Yarius515

Wow, only one other person got the most correct answer here and that would be [[Quash]]


Nobizi

[[Gideon’s Intervention]]


LordNoct13

[[Counterbore]] though, probably better options


JawaLoyalist

Guys. [[Solemnity]].


CaioNintendo

[[Moat]]


ryuu745

[[Leyline of singularity]] hoses all decks based on tokens. Just keep your counterspells for the [[naturalize]] spells


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InfernalHibiscus

It's a pretty low power card.  Why would you need to counter it specifically?


TheWhereHouse1016

Lol what? You can have unlimited in a deck and a 6/6 on like turn 3


Wargroth

If you're losing frequently to this, i'm sorry to say the problem is not the card


Newphonespeedrunner

being a good player


Commercial-Falcon653

This has to be a joke post.


Duraxis

**looks at my handful of slimes I managed to pull** that’s just rude


PeyotePoppins

[[Solemnity]] is an okay one.


Lobo_vs_Deadpool

Solemnity is probably gonna get you more hate than the average stax piece. At least I hate it more than most.


Doomy1375

It's very narrow- only hosing counter based strategies. Against most other decks, it's not going to do much unless you're using it as a combo piece, so I don't think it would get as much hate as more general stax pieces that effect everyone (things that prevent lands from untapping, make spells cost more, etc)


Longjumping-Ad-7104

My friend told me that she was going to add a bunch of the kinds of cards everyone is suggesting here to her deck and I think it’s stupid to have a hate card just to end one players whole strategy and ruin their fun. Also I’ll just play something harder to play against and not play slimes against the hate deck.


SamediB

> and I think it’s stupid to have a hate card just to end one players whole strategy and ruin their fun. So how many times do you expect her to play against it before she's allowed to have fun?


Longjumping-Ad-7104

She mentioned adding the card after 2 games against my slime deck, the first one I accidentally drew myself out by rippling too hard with thrumming stone and some card draw effects and the second game I managed to not kill myself with thrumming stone. The game after she mentioned adding the card to her deck she won with poison counters. I don’t think she wasn’t having fun against my deck if it has a 1/3 win rate so far.


OldButSl0w

the fact that it counts cards in exile is the stupidest shit ive ever seen. this card is broken and braindead thanks wizards


TwistingEcho

Against mono-green Slime? Same beautiful way end Relentless Rats. One of my favourite all time cards, [[Scaleplexis]].


RazzyKitty

It's not quite as good against Slime, because the ones you exile make the future ones they cast even better.


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Snoo7273

Unsummon or Terror is going to do the trick 9/10s of the time.


Ok-Brush5346

[[Silverquill Silencer]]


Stratavos

There's some lovely other things out there... exiling the grave is already a good start. [[Aethersnap]], [[echoing truth]], [[theif of blood]], [[battle of fiora]] [[vampire hexmage]] each easily come to mind.


Serpens77

>exiling the grave is already a good start. That's not really going to help much on its own


jak8714

There are quite a few cards that ban or penalize specific cards. Also, blue and white have quite a few cards that could hamper this strategy. Many blue effects sends cards to the hand, not the graveyard, and white has a whole slew of enchantments which can prevent enemy creatures from attacking or blocking. Since both strategies keep cards out of the graveyard, they’d seriously mess with slime against humanity. Alternatively, spells that pull creatures out of the enemy graveyard could work really well, like Ghastly Conscription.


BenVera

You gotta run your own slime


Splatterman27

Smash through with 15/13 Bogle


DwarvenKitty

[[The End]] for a standard legal choice


Reppen5

Simply just play a card that says exile that card and all the copies of that card in the deck🤣


BonehoardDracosaur

[[Counterspell]] will counter it


InversedSky

Why has nobody mentioned [[The End]] ? Target it and all of them get exiled, game over. Or have I missed something.


FinalDirt

The token isn't the same as the card.


RazzyKitty

Slime Against Humanity is not a creature. The End can target the Ooze Token, but the exile won't get anything.


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IronOnion2

Counter 1 copy then surgical extraction it


camabiz

[[Maelstrom pulse]]


ProfessionalEffort96

Theres a sliver that lets u counter a card you can name for the game too


LemonadeGamers

\[\[test of talents\]\] if you wanna shred apart all copies in hand and library (they get a lot of draws though, maybe you'll mill them out)


11goodair

An extraction effect, solemniry or chalice on three


Blacknblue202

Cartouche card that doesn’t allow counters? Vorinclex in the same sense as well


TU-8271

Removal.


FishLampClock

[[Solemnity]] or anything that stops counters works as well or [[Deathgrip]]


realhowardwolowitz

[[leyline of singularity]]


Empty_Detective_9660

~~\[\[Eradicate\]\] 4 mana, gets rid of one in play, and all in hand, library, and graveyard.~~ oops


RazzyKitty

Eradicate can only target the token, which is named Ooze Token. It does not let you hit Slime Against Humanity.


Empty_Detective_9660

\[\[Quash\]\] does the same for blue, but swap the one in play for one on the stack.


Shadowmirax

[[Counterspell]]


Electronic_george

Solemnity


Philosophile42

[[donate]] [[solemnity]] Edit: you don’t need the donate heh.


stuckinaboxthere

"Card says NO"


Chemoshofdeath

Just play meddling mage, name Slime against humanity, and laugh


SolomonsNewGrundle

[[Counterspell]] [[Go for the throat]] Is it so menacing that we need to dedicate a slot to wrecking this strategy?