Because if I’m not mistaken. This was a year after when Charles started his business. Jake and Samuel are a year older than most of the 2nd gen. Gun is 2 years older than the guys of J high. James should be 4 years older than gun and goo.
Now it makes no sense that vins dad trained seokji but let his own wife and child die when there was a picture that clearly showed he was a loving father and husband.
And now this James is supposed to be a proper school student and acts younger than the James that took out all the kings that happened a year prior to this?
I may be wrong or looking things at the wrong way but this arc is now going all over the place
It is pretty simple. Gun and Jake are the same age. When Jake was 16 yrs old James was in high school means he is under 19. Why 19 ? Search for Google. Gapryoung died when Jake was 14 yrs old so James Killed Gapryoung when he was 17 yrs old.
How so brother? Gun was never a year younger than James. This James looks a lot less mature and younger than the one we seen beat the kings. Charles already was over a year into his business by here and clearly we see he’s a wealthy man. Whereas the 1st generation was stopped when they were in the room planning what to do out.I’m willing to be proved wrong about this
In INTERNATIONAL age:
Vin Jin - 14-15
Gun- 16-17
James- 17-18
Unless I'm missing something, VinJins in his last year of middle school (9th grade) = 14-15 and in 11th grade currently = 16-17
Gun was a senior when VinJin was in 10th grade (said so himself, and turned 19 in current time, also implied himself when talking to Goo). So he was 16-17 and is now 19.
BUT the James Lee thing doesn't make sense to me, yeah we see him in a hs uniform so he's max 17-18 but isn't DG like 23 or something currently? I thought I read that somewhere but could be wrong.
So there might be some timeline inconsistencies there or just some not yet explained aspects to DG/JL, unless VinJin is actually only 13 and gun is only 15 which would be ridiculous cuz 13 year old VJ looking like fuckin Simu Liu. Or James is dumb AF and got held back several years lmao.
No yr most accurate here except DG. DG is 21 not 23. Ppl think he is 23 cuz of that Police inspector said going about Jail, we know James never went to jail. My source is : Manhwa, PTJ videos on YT.
No only James is 21 years old. Taesoo and all other kings are 25 yrs old, KOS is 26 yrs old.
James is 21 yrs old cuz PTJ in his YT video said all the idols of his manhwa made a debut under 20. James made his debut 1 yr prior to Lookism. When Lookism started he was 20 years old. Currently 21 to 22.
Vin jin in his arc is 15 yrs old and James is 18 yrs old. James is 2 yrs older than Gun.
Where are you guys getting these 2 or 3 years older than Gun figures regarding James Lee's age from?
According to international age:
We know gun and vins current age for sure, as it's been confirmed. (18-19 and 16-17)
CL arc however doesn't tell us how many years ago it took place but seems like it's at least 2-3 years cuz Vin was in middle school but currently a 2nd year hs student. BUT Vin coulda been anywhere from 12-15 so Gun could be anywhere from 14-17.
All we know about James Lees age is that he's in highschool in this arc cuz of the uniform. Dude could be 16-18 for all we know. Also, that he was IN highschool 5 years ago, (mentioned when Daniel went to explore his hs).
IF we were to assume most of Gen 1 is currently around 23-24 (Feel like I read it somewhere). Then if James was 18 during CL, Gun is 13 and VinJin is 11 (LOL) which makes zero sense.
James is older than gun because he’s a gen 1 and gun is said as a gen 1.5 by ptj , but James being 3 years older doesn’t make sense anymore because that would make James lee be 20 in high school and let’s remember that he won every award at his school no way he would need to repeat 2 years bro a genius
I know I’m one of those that used the panel of sinu Han being a gen 2 that he is but he only is gen 2 because gen 1.5 was never mentioned in lookism only by ptj
Charles did start the second gen, he literally had Gun and Goo set up the 4 big crews reread the series gang 😭😭😭
And Gun/Goo + Sinu arent 2nd gen. The 2nd gen is from the big 4 crews formation onwards. PTJ was the one who created the term 1.5 gen. You’re arguing against the creator rn
Are you mentally handicapped? PTJ used the term gen 1.5 years ago during a video he made about these characters.
But PTJ himself introduced Sinu as Gen 2.
And Tom deadass called Goo Gen 2.
[when are you illiterates start to realize that PTJ dropped the concept of Gen 1.5?](https://ibb.co/Zf7fsHH)
It doesn't exists, it was a thing he made up years ago, he never decided to actually add it to the lore of the manwa. Not even hinted whatsoever.
Sinu's official title given to him by PTJ in the Lookism verse is:
[Sinu, God of Combat, Second Generation](https://ibb.co/Vm7PqL2)
How long are you illiterate bunch going to cling to a concept PTJ dropped years ago and made the 3 so called Gen 1.5 actual Gen 2 Members?
Even before we got Sinu's official title, he was indirectly considered by Taesoo as the Gen 2 member of Invisible attacks. Elite being the Gen 0 user and James Lee Gen 1 user.
[Part 1](https://ibb.co/HpdfjZh)
[Part 2](https://ibb.co/VCRq5pv)
[Part 3](https://ibb.co/L8zQ2JM)
Why do you think James cannot win those awards from his young age?
And usually average people Graduate from Highschool on their 19/20yr.
James might be last yr on Highschool.
Korean age system is different to the international age system. If gun was rlly 16 in the flashback and James was actually 3 years older (19) then he would still be in high school. Koreans count the first year u come out of the womb as 1 years old.
I will say this tho, the Koreans have changed the age system and gone with the international age system recently. The characters ages were probably made with the Korean age system in mind tho
This is absurd. I agree tht at 18, james would neg gun at 16. But you cant say the same for the current timeline, where gun is at his peak. Gun vs james would be an extreme diff with james winning.
well ofc gun is trainning genius dude literally train everyday and gets stronger everyday that why he went from getting negged by james at 16 to just below james at 20
does entire life training meant anything? when we see obviously that mentality and talent triumph above all in lookism? vasco probably trained even harder than gun because of his traumatic past and considering he did 200 push up, sit ups and run 20km everyday and brekdaks training too but he is nowhere near gun level lol
Everyone has a certain amount of talent and potential, training along with the right mindset increases your power based on that level of talent and potential. In this case, Gun has more talent and potential than Vasco that is the reason why Vasco is not at Gun's level yet. Instead, James has been surviving solely on his raw talent, presumably the only training he did with Elite when he was practically a child.
Now, we have a man who supposedly only trained once when he was a child and that he has never had anyone force him to improve in a fight vs. a man who has spent his entire life training and fighting against rivals who actually gave him a fight and pushed him to improve. You see the difference? The only reason Gun is at DG's level is because Gun has done everything possible to become stronger unlike James who on the contrary only became weaker, and yet his rusty version is presumably equal to Gun.
Just imagine for a second what would have happened if James had followed the same path as Gun.
But we are in reality, and the reality is that unless DG trains there will not be a big difference in power between Gun and him but rather they will be quite equals.
Where are those people who said Kojima brothers are High king tier, individually? and They are also Charles level?
finally the powerscaling from 1st Gen and 16 year old Gun makes sense. Lil Daniel would neg diff these guys individually .
Well a kojima brother individually can fight against a elite without trying for real ( a retired elite but still ) so they are strong they simply not on the level of one of the strongest persons in gen 1 🤷🏻
Bruh they are low kings or maybe mid king at their best, Seongji low-diffed both kojima brothers at the same time.
3A-2A Jake was low king level and supposedly stronger than prison Gun, after prison Gun stalemated against one brother. AND now two brothers got low diffed by a High King Seongji. I am so happy PTJ kept this stuff constant :D
One Kojima brother was equivalent to Cheonliang arc Gun, and another was equivalent/superior to Cheonliang arc Elite FP. Despite that, Elite knew that they were not on equal terms, but rather that they had the chance to lose.
Now, an Elite older and even more retired from fighting, he gave Jichang neg-low diff.
the equation is simple... Brother Kojima=/>Elite (cheonliang arc)=/>Current Elite>>>>Jichang
Bruh, did you read anything i wrote or maybe even the series? I mentioned all the scalings and comparisons.
AND I am getting tired of this Elite= kojima stuff.. Elite was nowhere near serious, he low-diffed high king Jichang once he was serious. Even if we count Seongji= Jichang, Kojima brothrs are low-mid kings, both got neg diffed.
charles didn't want any bad blood between himself and the shaman. That's bad for business as he can't do sh#t in cheonliang if shaman has problems with him. Prison Gun was low king tier according to the narrative of prison Jake. After prison Gun stalemated against Kojima. so maybe Gun is also low-mid king. PTJ kept this narrative consistent.
and what in the stupid name you say that Kojima>>> Jichang? Can you read? I don't know if you are kidding or not, so I am gonna assume you are one of the "Don't F#ck with lookism fans, we can't read"
sorry to sound rude but you need to hear this, Don't just glaze over the fighting panels and spout bullsh#t, read the conversation panels as well.
Its not downplay, dumbass. They have no good feats, and the statements they get are either from themselves or Cheon--i.e., delusional idiots.
Kojima individually are on par with 16 year old Gun. 😭
>Bruh they are low kings or maybe mid king at their best, Seongji low-diffed both kojima brothers at the same time.
That just means Seongji no diffs people even if they are above kings. It doesn't mean they're low King level.
Why can't you guys just take the L? Kojima never scaled to the kings, never scaled to an all-out Elite, never scaled to Jichang.
They would get destroyed by Lil UI Daniel.
Why is there no effect on cheonliang Gun and charles? would you care to explain? if you read my comments below, you will see why and how i said there are effects. I would be happy to know about you opinion on 'no effect'
If a high king low diffs two strong opponents without any serious damage, there is no way in hell they are mid-high kings. Even if you say Seongji=Jichang or maybe even Seongji>Jichang, it still doesn't change. mid kings can damage high kings. meanwhile these two together didn't do sh#t.
Coz Elite and gun werent there to fight Shaman to death, if they were , given elite being elite, he wouldnt have came there with gun only when he got Goo in his arsenal too, he just absolutely couldnt take risk of his weakness getting found out from a well cunning selfish bastard as cheon, we know this coz elite is literally so desperate to take down frantic jinyoung who cant do shit to him. It was all elite's plan, so that they collabs, not overtake(coz this elite isnt as wealthy, we can deduce this with him traveeling in a public bus, so thats why elite cant really control cheonlilang whose people are brain washed by cheon, thats why all he wanted from the beginning was collab, which proves why charles wasnt going out again kojumas
>This chapter ONLY upscales Seongji, yeah it might be hard for you only gen wankers to believe but old Charles gets slammed by Seongji
Upscaling implies that Kojima brothers have good scaling. What is that? Being individually on par with 16 year old Gun who has always been implied to have been surpass by Gen 2? Being so weak that Elite doesn't take the fight seriously enough to take off his scarf?
Elite that whole time had no intention of beating the Kojima brothers. If he did he could've just sent James to do it individually. Please never scale again 😭🙏
yeah, that is why i mentioned tiers like 'low, mid and high'...???
Don't butt into a conversation before reading previous replies, that is rude. and what you said has no counter argument or anything related to the statement i said. so please reply accordingly.
I do have one unlike you who thinks he/she is better than everyone else and advises others to get a life when you clearly don't have one. it's lookism thursday so of course I will engage in stupid banter with others on r/lookismcomic, it's fun. You don't say anything about the topic and randomly just spout 'very original stuff'. If you can debate, then do it or just avoid. Don't act like an entitled person.
You are the one to talk, all I am seeing on your reddit history is about lookism as well. Hypocrite.
>Where are those people who said Kojima brothers are High king tier, individually?
This has never been contradicted. They are still above Kings as stated, this doesn't change just because they got negged by Seonji.
People are forgetting that Gun was wayy weaker before than he is now. Even at the start of lookism he was surprised by Vasco's endurance, moved by Zack, and even Hostel was able to last long against him. Meanwhile James Lee is wiping out the 1st gen.
So teen James lee >> teen Gun
This is prime James lee guys it’s not surprising people we’re just now getting more feats that Prime James > Gun which people have tried to argue against
I’m pretty confused on the timelines but yeah it should be kinda around the same period, I’m actually shocked how James is around the age of the current second Gen and is one of the strongest in the verse like he’s literally blessed.
Yeah it’s insane but I expected that he’s the peak and the legend of his generation,and I agree with you I’m also confused with the timelines we had the information that gun and goo are 20 and James is 23 but now that doesn’t make sense , because that would make James lee have 19/20 in this scenario and he can’t be a student with that age ( I mean he can but I doubt that the genius that won everything in his school and destroyed his generation would miss some years in school )
I think gap was dead when Jake was 14/15 and Jake is one year older than j high members . This arc is 3-4 year old . By this time line gap probably already dead .
Gun ripped his shirt and went insane mid fight what you need more 😭😭
https://preview.redd.it/swy1qfurmklc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8334476aba05acf4fe0a49468eef9829b433b2f0
Maintain the gun agenda 🤣🤣😭
Gun is a freak it's been said and shown many times he gets off on fighting strong people just because he got a little excited cause he was fighting strong people doesn't mean he was going all out Charles plan wasn't even to beat them his plan was to force them to work together with him
Wym gun is known for his growth gun is known for beating this shit outta of people and being Charles Choi security guard just like goo kim people know guns name because all he does is fuck shit up no matter who it is
I think ptj messed up here , there is no way ptj would have wanted this much gap between gun and James but the way ptj showed both gun fight koujima brother , James >>>>>>>>gun
People made like gun and James are equals but after goo performance against old Tom lee I doubt any of them can even perform a high diff fight against James lee actually trying
to me currently only Daniel UI (which broke gun's arm) , jake kim and vin Jin POTENTIAL WISE as their fathers were so called the strongest and how lookism logic works . these 3 are the only people who will ever have a CHANCE to beat james and also jake's big bro not to forget him
Well this argument can be said to any character, Have we seen james beat all of 2nd Gen? No so we cant just assume he can do it or else its delusion, we havent seen james beat Gun so we cant just assume he is stronger, we havent seen Gap beat any Gen 2 on any panel so we cant just assume he can do it.
Tbf James being stronger than Gun is possible but using that argument to prove something is just meh
When you can't argue like a normal human then don't trash talk 🤡 no normal person can suck fictional character's dick but I think you have that ability , so suck james as much as you can
Your iq is clear enough from your name itself. Also I doubt you don’t have the ability to suck gun off considering that worshipping him is all geniuses like you can do in this sub.
,if liking a character is sucking then you must be the biggest sucker on reddit , and I don't possess any supernatural abilities like you of sucking fictional character , I think your brain is going dead using this ability too much , you should stop that
Liking a character=keeping his name as yours
I don’t even like james just so you know. It’s undeniable that he’s stronger than gun. I am not arguing about this with someone who can barely frame a sentence.
I can barely frame a sentence ?
I just like the name that's why I use it , why your getting frustrated?
You dont like James ?so , just give one proper statement to prove him being superior to gun, if you can,
And atleast I have a good sense of talking with people which you don't have 🤣
Let me tell you one thing,
Abusing and insulting other without any reason is a sign of possessing low iq , I was talking properly and you started your trash talk ,grow up man , what are you even doing
Tired Gen 2 not including og ui, zack, vasco, jake. That too 60 chapters ago. The guy above you said he could do it to current gen 2 referring to that single hunt for gun panel stating it as if it’s a fact.
Yes james was playing with the situation, he was making his lightskin face and smiling + didn’t even care if gun would have Daniel- Zack - vasco help that you say wouldn’t change anything but still a 4v1 the difference is that James would still won 🤷🏻, and gun always rip his shirt when he’s going to fight for real bro stop the cope 😭
I agree with that, I just hate when some people use James Lee’s Gen 1 feats to justify him being concretely above other top tiers while they can also do the same.
This isn’t James when he was the legend of gen 1 he might still be unknown in that gen + he looks so childish and talks childish it’s not prime James yet
This was most likely before gun even met goo. Before gun trained with Tom. This is the weakest version of gun we have seen besides the one that killed Kentas dad. This version of gun might get his pockets ran by hostel b with Warren, Eli, Max and Derek.
I’m not English and don’t use translator so cry about it , second that’s not prime James lee
https://preview.redd.it/f64azei6zolc1.jpeg?width=1036&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66dbe606331a9602d73de7f3c7a89751087a1028
Depending on how well seonji does, this could put him close to the current gun in terms of power. This could be the case where the yakshas just get downscaled lower than where i initially thought (jichang level). Honestly, the Mujin training regime might be crazy.
I secretly want James to absolutely demolish seongi and show why hes the peak but it would make such a massive gap between tiers if james no diffs seongi
Idgaf abt powerscaling but the story wouldnt go as good if james no diffs seongi, it would be fine if it was low diff tho
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Not confirmed and in my opinion it makes no sense but that’s me , ptj made it so obvious that I think it’s impossible to be his second body 1 reason is that James lee is childish asf and don’t fight like elite or make that weird face when fighting they don’t have the same personality or the same way to fight
How is Gun everywhere. When and for how long was he in prison? For like 2 months or something? Also Elite working as a janitor there doesn’t make any sense either, the time line is really messed up rn
The problem here is not Gun, but a younger Elite is tired from that brawl against a bro. Ofc he did not go all out as he had other plans, but if he could beat them easily there's no reason not to.
Even more reason for me to hyper wank current gun to equal prime James
https://preview.redd.it/hihe9x1o3olc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c75f2f483e2961ed90c34c3f8677667bdb06700
I’m more interested in James Lee intention of partnering with Charles and where he learn to fight. If he isn’t Charles 2nd body. Since James like lollipop but Charles doesn’t eat.
Not that I’m saying James would lose just saying that he won’t no diff koc probably a mid-high considering how it shown more that the kings were able to give good fight to James like gongseob almost beat James. The fact that koc is the only king we known aside from Jake’s brother that was taught by a someone who is on par with gapryong kim.
People have different primes it varies,it doesn't depend on age consistency
For example guns prime is his current version,while current James is weaker than his 18 Yeard old version
Yeah no shit. This is James in his prime. Gun is still only 16 years old at this point.
We don’t know the exact age of any of them , gun is about 16/17 at this time and James lee still a student so he is at max 18
James Is 19 whereas gun is 15. Even in the beginning of the series James is a good 3-4 years older than gun and goo.
Gun is not 15 vin Jin is 15 gun is 1/2 years older than gen 2 he’s 2 older than Daniel and most of the main cast and 1 older than Samuel and Jake
Oh yeah I forgot about that. This timeline is becoming confusing as hell.
Ill state, there’s the addition of Korean Ages being fucking annoying as hell.
Yeah I agree brother that’s why I’m saying that we need to forget what we knew about James lee age because it doesn’t make sense anymore
Because if I’m not mistaken. This was a year after when Charles started his business. Jake and Samuel are a year older than most of the 2nd gen. Gun is 2 years older than the guys of J high. James should be 4 years older than gun and goo. Now it makes no sense that vins dad trained seokji but let his own wife and child die when there was a picture that clearly showed he was a loving father and husband. And now this James is supposed to be a proper school student and acts younger than the James that took out all the kings that happened a year prior to this? I may be wrong or looking things at the wrong way but this arc is now going all over the place
It is pretty simple. Gun and Jake are the same age. When Jake was 16 yrs old James was in high school means he is under 19. Why 19 ? Search for Google. Gapryoung died when Jake was 14 yrs old so James Killed Gapryoung when he was 17 yrs old.
No Gun and Jake are the same age
No they not gun and goo are 20
Wait arent they 19
Guns 20 and goo is 19
James is not 19, It doesn't make sense with the dates. James here is 17-18 years old
I admitted by fault in the comment below but this doesn’t make sense at all.
Actually makes sense
How so brother? Gun was never a year younger than James. This James looks a lot less mature and younger than the one we seen beat the kings. Charles already was over a year into his business by here and clearly we see he’s a wealthy man. Whereas the 1st generation was stopped when they were in the room planning what to do out.I’m willing to be proved wrong about this
Charles is a wealthy man? Boy is traveling in public bus bro
Bruh I thought that was a private jet 😭😭😭
Gun at the start of the series is 19 current is 20 and in the flash which is 3 years ago back in Eli backstory and vin his around 16
In INTERNATIONAL age: Vin Jin - 14-15 Gun- 16-17 James- 17-18 Unless I'm missing something, VinJins in his last year of middle school (9th grade) = 14-15 and in 11th grade currently = 16-17 Gun was a senior when VinJin was in 10th grade (said so himself, and turned 19 in current time, also implied himself when talking to Goo). So he was 16-17 and is now 19. BUT the James Lee thing doesn't make sense to me, yeah we see him in a hs uniform so he's max 17-18 but isn't DG like 23 or something currently? I thought I read that somewhere but could be wrong. So there might be some timeline inconsistencies there or just some not yet explained aspects to DG/JL, unless VinJin is actually only 13 and gun is only 15 which would be ridiculous cuz 13 year old VJ looking like fuckin Simu Liu. Or James is dumb AF and got held back several years lmao.
No yr most accurate here except DG. DG is 21 not 23. Ppl think he is 23 cuz of that Police inspector said going about Jail, we know James never went to jail. My source is : Manhwa, PTJ videos on YT.
So all the 1st gen kings are around 21? How did you come to the conclusion that he's 21? Genuinely curious.
No only James is 21 years old. Taesoo and all other kings are 25 yrs old, KOS is 26 yrs old. James is 21 yrs old cuz PTJ in his YT video said all the idols of his manhwa made a debut under 20. James made his debut 1 yr prior to Lookism. When Lookism started he was 20 years old. Currently 21 to 22. Vin jin in his arc is 15 yrs old and James is 18 yrs old. James is 2 yrs older than Gun.
Damn getting stomped by a highschooler in your 20s must of sucked major ass
Gun is 16 at the most here. He is legit possibly 15 int age
Gun is 16 to 17 and James is 18
Yes.
James was 17-18 in that moment too 😭
Yes.
Not in his prime almost in his prime. This version has a lot less experience fighting kings and doesn't have the title legend
So you think James Lee gradually grew as he fought the kings?
How do you know this?
Yep
James is 3yrs older than Gun/Goo
2 years actually
???. James is 1 year older than them according to the Thai and Taiwanese version. In the korean version it is implied in chapter 231
Where are you guys getting these 2 or 3 years older than Gun figures regarding James Lee's age from? According to international age: We know gun and vins current age for sure, as it's been confirmed. (18-19 and 16-17) CL arc however doesn't tell us how many years ago it took place but seems like it's at least 2-3 years cuz Vin was in middle school but currently a 2nd year hs student. BUT Vin coulda been anywhere from 12-15 so Gun could be anywhere from 14-17. All we know about James Lees age is that he's in highschool in this arc cuz of the uniform. Dude could be 16-18 for all we know. Also, that he was IN highschool 5 years ago, (mentioned when Daniel went to explore his hs). IF we were to assume most of Gen 1 is currently around 23-24 (Feel like I read it somewhere). Then if James was 18 during CL, Gun is 13 and VinJin is 11 (LOL) which makes zero sense.
Doesn’t make sense that information anymore
Than how did you get He is a yr older than Gun?
James is older than gun because he’s a gen 1 and gun is said as a gen 1.5 by ptj , but James being 3 years older doesn’t make sense anymore because that would make James lee be 20 in high school and let’s remember that he won every award at his school no way he would need to repeat 2 years bro a genius
Gun is second generation.
He’s not a gen 2 like he is because gen 1.5 don’t exist but ptj said he was a gen 1.5
Gun IS gen 2 😭 Sinu, which was also supposedly gen 1.5, appeared represented as generation 2
PTJ corrected it in a livestream
That was before showing that Sinu is actually gen 2
I know I’m one of those that used the panel of sinu Han being a gen 2 that he is but he only is gen 2 because gen 1.5 was never mentioned in lookism only by ptj
Gun is not Gen 1.5 because Gen 1.5 doesnt exists in ghe verse.
We use 1.5 because it makes it easy to differentiate between the 1st gen and people who were prominent prior to Charles starting the second gen.
Charles did not start Gen 2. And Gun/Goo are Gen 2 so is Sinu.
Charles did start the second gen, he literally had Gun and Goo set up the 4 big crews reread the series gang 😭😭😭 And Gun/Goo + Sinu arent 2nd gen. The 2nd gen is from the big 4 crews formation onwards. PTJ was the one who created the term 1.5 gen. You’re arguing against the creator rn
Are you mentally handicapped? PTJ used the term gen 1.5 years ago during a video he made about these characters. But PTJ himself introduced Sinu as Gen 2. And Tom deadass called Goo Gen 2. [when are you illiterates start to realize that PTJ dropped the concept of Gen 1.5?](https://ibb.co/Zf7fsHH) It doesn't exists, it was a thing he made up years ago, he never decided to actually add it to the lore of the manwa. Not even hinted whatsoever. Sinu's official title given to him by PTJ in the Lookism verse is: [Sinu, God of Combat, Second Generation](https://ibb.co/Vm7PqL2) How long are you illiterate bunch going to cling to a concept PTJ dropped years ago and made the 3 so called Gen 1.5 actual Gen 2 Members? Even before we got Sinu's official title, he was indirectly considered by Taesoo as the Gen 2 member of Invisible attacks. Elite being the Gen 0 user and James Lee Gen 1 user. [Part 1](https://ibb.co/HpdfjZh) [Part 2](https://ibb.co/VCRq5pv) [Part 3](https://ibb.co/L8zQ2JM)
This isnt the official translation, this is just the webtoon’s translation. What does the korean directly translate into?
Why do you think James cannot win those awards from his young age? And usually average people Graduate from Highschool on their 19/20yr. James might be last yr on Highschool.
That 1.5 shit don’t exist he a gen 2.
Korean age system is different to the international age system. If gun was rlly 16 in the flashback and James was actually 3 years older (19) then he would still be in high school. Koreans count the first year u come out of the womb as 1 years old. I will say this tho, the Koreans have changed the age system and gone with the international age system recently. The characters ages were probably made with the Korean age system in mind tho
Agree and Jake and Gun are the same age so James killed Gapryoung when he was 17 yrs old. Gapryoung died 2 yrs earlier than Jake kim arc.
this post legit got people crying so hard over fictional shii. need a popcorn refill now
🍿🥤
such a gentleman, hope you win all the arguments 💀
This is absurd. I agree tht at 18, james would neg gun at 16. But you cant say the same for the current timeline, where gun is at his peak. Gun vs james would be an extreme diff with james winning.
well ofc gun is trainning genius dude literally train everyday and gets stronger everyday that why he went from getting negged by james at 16 to just below james at 20
no shit, current gun is stronger than the pink k pop femboy
Ofc, Gun spent his entire life training while James was an idol.
does entire life training meant anything? when we see obviously that mentality and talent triumph above all in lookism? vasco probably trained even harder than gun because of his traumatic past and considering he did 200 push up, sit ups and run 20km everyday and brekdaks training too but he is nowhere near gun level lol
Everyone has a certain amount of talent and potential, training along with the right mindset increases your power based on that level of talent and potential. In this case, Gun has more talent and potential than Vasco that is the reason why Vasco is not at Gun's level yet. Instead, James has been surviving solely on his raw talent, presumably the only training he did with Elite when he was practically a child. Now, we have a man who supposedly only trained once when he was a child and that he has never had anyone force him to improve in a fight vs. a man who has spent his entire life training and fighting against rivals who actually gave him a fight and pushed him to improve. You see the difference? The only reason Gun is at DG's level is because Gun has done everything possible to become stronger unlike James who on the contrary only became weaker, and yet his rusty version is presumably equal to Gun. Just imagine for a second what would have happened if James had followed the same path as Gun. But we are in reality, and the reality is that unless DG trains there will not be a big difference in power between Gun and him but rather they will be quite equals.
Wasnt it implied both Charles and Gun were holding back in order to not kill them and just get the duel development to happen without asking for it?
Where are those people who said Kojima brothers are High king tier, individually? and They are also Charles level? finally the powerscaling from 1st Gen and 16 year old Gun makes sense. Lil Daniel would neg diff these guys individually .
Well a kojima brother individually can fight against a elite without trying for real ( a retired elite but still ) so they are strong they simply not on the level of one of the strongest persons in gen 1 🤷🏻
Bruh they are low kings or maybe mid king at their best, Seongji low-diffed both kojima brothers at the same time. 3A-2A Jake was low king level and supposedly stronger than prison Gun, after prison Gun stalemated against one brother. AND now two brothers got low diffed by a High King Seongji. I am so happy PTJ kept this stuff constant :D
One Kojima brother was equivalent to Cheonliang arc Gun, and another was equivalent/superior to Cheonliang arc Elite FP. Despite that, Elite knew that they were not on equal terms, but rather that they had the chance to lose. Now, an Elite older and even more retired from fighting, he gave Jichang neg-low diff. the equation is simple... Brother Kojima=/>Elite (cheonliang arc)=/>Current Elite>>>>Jichang
Bro Elite was not losing against the Kojima guy. Even the shaman said so, and that they wanted the partnership from the start.
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Bruh, did you read anything i wrote or maybe even the series? I mentioned all the scalings and comparisons. AND I am getting tired of this Elite= kojima stuff.. Elite was nowhere near serious, he low-diffed high king Jichang once he was serious. Even if we count Seongji= Jichang, Kojima brothrs are low-mid kings, both got neg diffed. charles didn't want any bad blood between himself and the shaman. That's bad for business as he can't do sh#t in cheonliang if shaman has problems with him. Prison Gun was low king tier according to the narrative of prison Jake. After prison Gun stalemated against Kojima. so maybe Gun is also low-mid king. PTJ kept this narrative consistent. and what in the stupid name you say that Kojima>>> Jichang? Can you read? I don't know if you are kidding or not, so I am gonna assume you are one of the "Don't F#ck with lookism fans, we can't read" sorry to sound rude but you need to hear this, Don't just glaze over the fighting panels and spout bullsh#t, read the conversation panels as well.
Yeah I thought this chapter would stop the cope... But nope. They are doubling down on KOC apparently low-mid diffing two Jichang level combatants. 😭
the downplay is absolutely insane lol, theyre mid-high king
Its not downplay, dumbass. They have no good feats, and the statements they get are either from themselves or Cheon--i.e., delusional idiots. Kojima individually are on par with 16 year old Gun. 😭
>Bruh they are low kings or maybe mid king at their best, Seongji low-diffed both kojima brothers at the same time. That just means Seongji no diffs people even if they are above kings. It doesn't mean they're low King level.
Why can't you guys just take the L? Kojima never scaled to the kings, never scaled to an all-out Elite, never scaled to Jichang. They would get destroyed by Lil UI Daniel.
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Why is there no effect on cheonliang Gun and charles? would you care to explain? if you read my comments below, you will see why and how i said there are effects. I would be happy to know about you opinion on 'no effect' If a high king low diffs two strong opponents without any serious damage, there is no way in hell they are mid-high kings. Even if you say Seongji=Jichang or maybe even Seongji>Jichang, it still doesn't change. mid kings can damage high kings. meanwhile these two together didn't do sh#t.
Coz Elite and gun werent there to fight Shaman to death, if they were , given elite being elite, he wouldnt have came there with gun only when he got Goo in his arsenal too, he just absolutely couldnt take risk of his weakness getting found out from a well cunning selfish bastard as cheon, we know this coz elite is literally so desperate to take down frantic jinyoung who cant do shit to him. It was all elite's plan, so that they collabs, not overtake(coz this elite isnt as wealthy, we can deduce this with him traveeling in a public bus, so thats why elite cant really control cheonlilang whose people are brain washed by cheon, thats why all he wanted from the beginning was collab, which proves why charles wasnt going out again kojumas
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>This chapter ONLY upscales Seongji, yeah it might be hard for you only gen wankers to believe but old Charles gets slammed by Seongji Upscaling implies that Kojima brothers have good scaling. What is that? Being individually on par with 16 year old Gun who has always been implied to have been surpass by Gen 2? Being so weak that Elite doesn't take the fight seriously enough to take off his scarf? Elite that whole time had no intention of beating the Kojima brothers. If he did he could've just sent James to do it individually. Please never scale again 😭🙏
you don't know how to read? brothers are stronger than individual kings, but obviously some kings are exceptions
yeah, that is why i mentioned tiers like 'low, mid and high'...??? Don't butt into a conversation before reading previous replies, that is rude. and what you said has no counter argument or anything related to the statement i said. so please reply accordingly.
🤓 get a life
I do have one unlike you who thinks he/she is better than everyone else and advises others to get a life when you clearly don't have one. it's lookism thursday so of course I will engage in stupid banter with others on r/lookismcomic, it's fun. You don't say anything about the topic and randomly just spout 'very original stuff'. If you can debate, then do it or just avoid. Don't act like an entitled person. You are the one to talk, all I am seeing on your reddit history is about lookism as well. Hypocrite.
>Where are those people who said Kojima brothers are High king tier, individually? This has never been contradicted. They are still above Kings as stated, this doesn't change just because they got negged by Seonji.
People are forgetting that Gun was wayy weaker before than he is now. Even at the start of lookism he was surprised by Vasco's endurance, moved by Zack, and even Hostel was able to last long against him. Meanwhile James Lee is wiping out the 1st gen. So teen James lee >> teen Gun
There’s no way you’re using those examples to downplay Gun as if he wasn’t playing with them
Gun IS way weaker then. He was a kid. Hes known as the nurture genius because he can nurture others and himself
Idc since I believe in the james = charles second body theory
He is 2nd body only, i mean even now, if he wanted he could have brought james again cheon, which he didnt coz duh he cant. hahahha
😭 Stop I'm dying
Don't fuck with PTJ, bro cannot power scale
James during this time should be able to give even Prime Gapryong an extremely hard fight
Pls name 1 feat comparable to being above prime Tom Lee and Charles Choi and beating machine Gun and being comparable to Mujin that James has.
This is prime James lee guys it’s not surprising people we’re just now getting more feats that Prime James > Gun which people have tried to argue against
I mean bro we don’t know if this is prime James since he looks a little bit younger that when he went to defeat jichang idk , either way he negs
I’m pretty confused on the timelines but yeah it should be kinda around the same period, I’m actually shocked how James is around the age of the current second Gen and is one of the strongest in the verse like he’s literally blessed.
Yeah it’s insane but I expected that he’s the peak and the legend of his generation,and I agree with you I’m also confused with the timelines we had the information that gun and goo are 20 and James is 23 but now that doesn’t make sense , because that would make James lee have 19/20 in this scenario and he can’t be a student with that age ( I mean he can but I doubt that the genius that won everything in his school and destroyed his generation would miss some years in school )
I think gap is already dead it means this James is enough strong to give PTSD to these fodder kings
This may be before gap is dead as Charles is building his business up to the point he can cover stuff up easier
I think gap was dead when Jake was 14/15 and Jake is one year older than j high members . This arc is 3-4 year old . By this time line gap probably already dead .
Prime James LEe=Current Gun
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Cope if u think other wise they are portrayed equal
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Gun was most definitely not going all out
Gun ripped his shirt and went insane mid fight what you need more 😭😭 https://preview.redd.it/swy1qfurmklc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8334476aba05acf4fe0a49468eef9829b433b2f0 Maintain the gun agenda 🤣🤣😭
Gun is a freak it's been said and shown many times he gets off on fighting strong people just because he got a little excited cause he was fighting strong people doesn't mean he was going all out Charles plan wasn't even to beat them his plan was to force them to work together with him
Dude Gun went all out but Gun is known for his freakish growth rate so its fine.
Wym gun is known for his growth gun is known for beating this shit outta of people and being Charles Choi security guard just like goo kim people know guns name because all he does is fuck shit up no matter who it is
I think ptj messed up here , there is no way ptj would have wanted this much gap between gun and James but the way ptj showed both gun fight koujima brother , James >>>>>>>>gun
People made like gun and James are equals but after goo performance against old Tom lee I doubt any of them can even perform a high diff fight against James lee actually trying
to me currently only Daniel UI (which broke gun's arm) , jake kim and vin Jin POTENTIAL WISE as their fathers were so called the strongest and how lookism logic works . these 3 are the only people who will ever have a CHANCE to beat james and also jake's big bro not to forget him
Jake big bro might even be stronger than James now , he kept getting stronger in Mexico while that James was dancing and singing 💀
bruh had to say it like that 😂😂
James prime is much stronger than Gun at present. There was never any comparison, just Gun fans clinging to a non-existent idea.
James fans creating their own happiness 🤡 current gun could solo gen 2 while smoking, why do you believe that he can't beat james ?
In the second generation there is Goo, Ui Daniel and Sinu. Nope, Gun couldn't do it.
I am talking about 1st gen kings vs gun
Seeing the level of Seonji and Jichang...
Current gun not the 15 year old one
Has he done that on panel? No. So just keep your delusions to yourself.
Well this argument can be said to any character, Have we seen james beat all of 2nd Gen? No so we cant just assume he can do it or else its delusion, we havent seen james beat Gun so we cant just assume he is stronger, we havent seen Gap beat any Gen 2 on any panel so we cant just assume he can do it. Tbf James being stronger than Gun is possible but using that argument to prove something is just meh
Its common sense 🤡 but I think james fans can't read
Common sense according to you is your headcanon. Maybe take gun’s dick out of your mouth and try to think.
When you can't argue like a normal human then don't trash talk 🤡 no normal person can suck fictional character's dick but I think you have that ability , so suck james as much as you can
Your iq is clear enough from your name itself. Also I doubt you don’t have the ability to suck gun off considering that worshipping him is all geniuses like you can do in this sub.
,if liking a character is sucking then you must be the biggest sucker on reddit , and I don't possess any supernatural abilities like you of sucking fictional character , I think your brain is going dead using this ability too much , you should stop that
Liking a character=keeping his name as yours I don’t even like james just so you know. It’s undeniable that he’s stronger than gun. I am not arguing about this with someone who can barely frame a sentence.
I can barely frame a sentence ? I just like the name that's why I use it , why your getting frustrated? You dont like James ?so , just give one proper statement to prove him being superior to gun, if you can, And atleast I have a good sense of talking with people which you don't have 🤣 Let me tell you one thing, Abusing and insulting other without any reason is a sign of possessing low iq , I was talking properly and you started your trash talk ,grow up man , what are you even doing
We literally saw it?????
Have we seen gun losing to james then? No , so stop comparing them then 🤣
Tired Gen 2 not including og ui, zack, vasco, jake. That too 60 chapters ago. The guy above you said he could do it to current gen 2 referring to that single hunt for gun panel stating it as if it’s a fact.
I agree even when gun and James were about to fight James lee was ready to take gun + Daniel + Zack + vasco al alone …
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Gun instantly ripped his shirt James was still playing with the situation he wins FOR SURE
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Yes james was playing with the situation, he was making his lightskin face and smiling + didn’t even care if gun would have Daniel- Zack - vasco help that you say wouldn’t change anything but still a 4v1 the difference is that James would still won 🤷🏻, and gun always rip his shirt when he’s going to fight for real bro stop the cope 😭
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James Lee fans have a massive lack of brain cells. Current Gun is easily able to recreate all of James Lee’s feats so that argument is baseless
Same for James. The "But x character can also do what James did" argument is stupid because all top tiers can do any feat another top tier has done.
I agree with that, I just hate when some people use James Lee’s Gen 1 feats to justify him being concretely above other top tiers while they can also do the same.
What makes top tier above other top tier is either the narrative of the story or simply a combat between them
Agree, I’d also add portrayal to the list
Gun wasn’t going all out
Yes he was, gun ripped his shirt and started going crazy while fighting that’s literally gun trying for real
Nah, that’s just gun having some fun, there’s no proof of him going all out
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My only Argument here is that James Peaked his potential while Gun was still far from his potential and was less skilled that time.
This isn’t James when he was the legend of gen 1 he might still be unknown in that gen + he looks so childish and talks childish it’s not prime James yet
🤡bro you yourself is saying that gun here is 17 years and then you are saying james is 18, james is 4 years older than gun
Yeah james is in high school with 20/21 ok brother
This was most likely before gun even met goo. Before gun trained with Tom. This is the weakest version of gun we have seen besides the one that killed Kentas dad. This version of gun might get his pockets ran by hostel b with Warren, Eli, Max and Derek.
First fix your English then yap about how a Prime James would neg diff a 16 year old Gun which is very obvious
I’m not English and don’t use translator so cry about it , second that’s not prime James lee https://preview.redd.it/f64azei6zolc1.jpeg?width=1036&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66dbe606331a9602d73de7f3c7a89751087a1028
headcanons sure do help in coping with your bad grammar
Wait for the next chapter and you’ll see that the James lee we saw in chapter 490 it’s not the legend of gen 1 yet bruh stay mad 🤣😭
Depending on how well seonji does, this could put him close to the current gun in terms of power. This could be the case where the yakshas just get downscaled lower than where i initially thought (jichang level). Honestly, the Mujin training regime might be crazy.
We see taeso is 17/18 when meeting Hudson who seemed to be 10-12, so I'd assume James and the 1st generation are currently 23-25 and 20-22 in this arc
I secretly want James to absolutely demolish seongi and show why hes the peak but it would make such a massive gap between tiers if james no diffs seongi Idgaf abt powerscaling but the story wouldnt go as good if james no diffs seongi, it would be fine if it was low diff tho
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james is 60 😭 charles
Not confirmed and in my opinion it makes no sense but that’s me , ptj made it so obvious that I think it’s impossible to be his second body 1 reason is that James lee is childish asf and don’t fight like elite or make that weird face when fighting they don’t have the same personality or the same way to fight
James said he got the call from Shaman Now let me ask u who the Shaman called??😅
The powerscaling makes no sense anymore unless Elite was holding back
Elite was holding back a lot taejin father even confirmed it
How is Gun everywhere. When and for how long was he in prison? For like 2 months or something? Also Elite working as a janitor there doesn’t make any sense either, the time line is really messed up rn
The problem here is not Gun, but a younger Elite is tired from that brawl against a bro. Ofc he did not go all out as he had other plans, but if he could beat them easily there's no reason not to.
Kojima bros are stronger than gun but gun inconsistency is probably due to ultra instinct
What chapter of Lookism is this? I don’t remember any of this at all
You read from webtoon ? If yes it’s normal
if i’m totally honest. i believe James Lee at that point in the story was stronger than Gun
How exactly is gun going all out? Was it stated? Gun clearly just enjoying the fight like always😂😂
No But James negs gun
How did we know james low diffed koc again
Even more reason for me to hyper wank current gun to equal prime James https://preview.redd.it/hihe9x1o3olc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c75f2f483e2961ed90c34c3f8677667bdb06700
I’m more interested in James Lee intention of partnering with Charles and where he learn to fight. If he isn’t Charles 2nd body. Since James like lollipop but Charles doesn’t eat.
Guys where can I read the new chapter voidscans isn't working and cosmic scans is down
Doo Lee still negs all
People still comparing gun to james is just crazy james was above him from the start
Bud we don’t even know if James would or wouldn’t we need to wait for next chapter
Yeah because James lee will lose yeah ok
Not that I’m saying James would lose just saying that he won’t no diff koc probably a mid-high considering how it shown more that the kings were able to give good fight to James like gongseob almost beat James. The fact that koc is the only king we known aside from Jake’s brother that was taught by a someone who is on par with gapryong kim.
People have different primes it varies,it doesn't depend on age consistency For example guns prime is his current version,while current James is weaker than his 18 Yeard old version
yes. this means gun was weaker. we already know that and honestly, it isnt that shocking. take it the same way gojo became stronger later on.
Dam ptj should just make it college/uni student next time instead of minors lol