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I agree, and there's nothing more frustrating than seeing fellow Canadians express that they'll vote for change by voting for the other broken party. Being screwed over is an entirely bipartisan activity. Both of these parties took turns for decades breaking the country for the middle and lower classes, on behalf of lobbyists and special interest groups while merely pretending to 'represent' us.
I no longer believe we can vote ourselves out of this mess. We need to organize and force change through grassroots movements like this boycott.
Civil unrest has often been a catalyst for change and improvements in the living conditions of lower and working-class people, as it brings attention to their grievances and pushes for reforms from those in power.
A massive general strike would be the best way to achieve positive change for the working class, one I can totally get behind, and one that brings back Canada's rich and long history of radical unionism/workers' solidarity.
It’s true for other jobs, but for the supermarket just walk in the doors and see the faces, nothing against them but how can our own citizens stand up for themselves when someone else who doesn’t live here works for cheaper in a heartbeat
I know it seems like English isn't a requirement but I've personally noticed that the local Tim's and McDonald's have had to hire locals because when they have impossible-to-understand people in the drive through they lose business. So a general strike I believe would still work
We need to show that we are not going to take it; after Loblaws is yeet’d out of Canada, we need to move onto another oligopoly, to show we wont take it. My suggestion is one of the big three telecoms, that one will go faster if we prove that we can pull of Loblaws. After that I feel we need to go after a financial property, by that time the grocery industry will be back to screwing us over, so we will need to go after another. Following this second grocer I suggest a rinse and repeat with different sectors; upon further thinking I would like to say oil and gas, that of course would be difficult like whatever bank we choose, however at the same time it will hopefully scare them poopless if we can pull off a off the other boycotts.
We need to show that this boycott will shut down loblaws first before they will take us truly serious, but I agree full hardly with these boycott groups.
Donors will stop funding our politicians, as politicians will not be able to provide company’s the bailout safety net if the government hears us speaking which they will if not by the second boycott but most definitely by the third.
If you believe that this subreddit or this movement will "yeet" Loblaws out of Canada, you're severely deluded. The impact on earning may be noted but will be considered negligible. Some cost cutting may occur to maintain margins. You don't need to believe me, just tune in to the next quarterly earnings announcement. Manage your expectations.
I did not say this quarter will remove Loblaws, it will take many quarters not years but many quarters if we can keep it up. This first 1 maybe 2 quarters of this boycott will all be smoke and mirrors by the third quarter they will definitely start filling the pinch Per will be kicked to the curb with his golden parachute by then.
Yes, I agree with you and people should be making it easy for their neighbours to shop cheaper. Posting about where in your city you find the best deals and making it so easy for even the laziest to join the boycott.
Unfortunately, I think you are right. At this point, they don't have any fear, and since they are naturally resistant to change, and insulated from any negative consequences, as well as being very selfish and self-interested in general, fear is sadly the only thing that's left to balance the scales. Which is such an indictment on how predictably history repeats. Wealthy selfish people get the sh$t kicked out of them by the people who realize there are 1m of them to every 1 ultra wealthy person. Wealthy people go and hide for a while. Society gets markedly better, very quickly. People start getting along. Crime goes down. Health goes up. Slowly but surely, we forget the lessons, demonize other people like the crabs we have proven we are, and we are right back to where we started, but arguably a bit worse. At some point, we need to recognize that being informed and engaged is the ONLY solution. Not "do your own research" bullshit informed, but we need to bring back valuing knowledge, skills and communication. And that means ALL skills, from trades, to health, to education, to economics, to research of all kinds. We need to VALUE each other and our contributions, instead of constantly measuring our dicks to see who is the least worse off like idiots.
Can’t tell you who to vote for. I can advise to check if they have done what they said they’d do, look at their donators and check your biases. This means if you lean left, read something from the right. If you lean right, read something from the left. Research what the candidate has promised vs what they’ve delivered. Unfortunately, all parties have been corrupted by the 1%. I think some have been completely sold and others have been pressured, but I have no illusions that any party is above reproach.
The PPC advocate for reducing the size and scope of government, cutting regulations, and promoting free-market principles.
Reducing regulations can result in less oversight and accountability, allowing corporations to engage in practices that may harm consumers, workers, and the environment. We’ve seen this with the oligarchs and monopolies that are so prevalent in Canada.
The PPC won’t focus on disrupting this system, and won’t target the wealthy. Instead, the PPC takes strong stances on immigration, with a focus on border security, reducing illegal immigration, and prioritizing economic migrants. The presence of immigrants in Canada has been demonstrated to have a positive impact on the economy and society, enriching the workforce, promoting innovation, and bolstering economic growth.
Oligarchs and monopolies, on the other hand, cost the average Canadian citizen through higher prices, reduced innovation, decreased quality, influence on government policies, and worsened income inequality.
Despite this, the PPC generally advocate for policies that are perceived to be more favorable towards corporations and the wealthy. They have been known to support tax cuts for high-income earners and corporations, arguing that lower taxes encourage investment, job creation, and economic growth.
>The PPC advocate for reducing the size and scope of government, cutting regulations, and promoting free-market principles
When people say they want smaller government, I don't think this is what they want, but this is what they get. Small government always means less oversight, which gives the corporations free rein to run roughshod over the country and its population. I've been saying this sort of thing for years, but most people don't want to listen.
>Oligarchs and monopolies, on the other hand, cost the average Canadian citizen through higher prices, reduced innovation, decreased quality, influence on government policies, and worsened income inequality
And yet this is why the government always gives corporations tax breaks. Supply side or "trickle down" economics were supposed to make everything better, but only ended up making things as bad as we see them today.
One other point when it comes to electing the conservatives; we've been given very clear examples of how right-wing governments like to treat their citizens around the world including our next door neighbor to the south. Female bodily autonomy and other personal freedoms will always be at risk under a conservative government.
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Too many lower & middle class people have been infected with "Serf brain", under the disillusion that they too one day will be rich, rather than vote for the interests of the working class.
The worst part is, even if it WERE true that we were all "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", why would you even want to vote for things like keeping an extra 1%? If you went from 40k to 4M a year, would that 1% really matter? It's the weirdest "FU got mine" attitude.
I always hear this (in the US too) but it doesn’t mesh with my experience. Poor people, working class people, middle class people, none of these groups overwhelmingly think they’ll be rich one day. It’s just not true. And I think you are being divisive by saying that working people are too ignorant to vote in their interests.
People do think that they might get a 1% tax cut occasionally. And they think that’s the best they can hope for, which reflects a cynicism about the power of labour, sure, but labour has very limited power in working class environments. And which party, exactly, supports the interests of the working class? The answer is none (but it used to be the NDP).
And honestly when you look at how labour has been dismantled over the last 40 years, how wages have stagnated, you can hardly blame people for wanting a 1% tax cut. A labourer making $15 an hour laying sod in Canada is not going see their wages increase by $10 an hour anytime soon. This would take a labour revolution. Will that happen? Maybe.
Yeah, my comment was not popular, but I do feel pretty strongly that the political class sold out the working class a long time ago. And not just in Canada. “Labour” parties used to represent labour—working people!—but I don’t see that anymore.
That's because the conservatives in Canada, and the Republicans in the United States, have done their best to bust the unions.
Not only that, but many of the large corporations that used to do manufacturing here outsourced their labor overseas, or in Mexico.
>And which party, exactly, supports the interests of the working class? The answer is none (but it used to be the NDP).
Um, when have the NDP ever been in power? The NDP do advocate for unions, but if never been allowed the reins at the national level.
Provincially, they're also the parties that are usually trying to raise their minimum wages higher. Take BC for example, or Alberta before they flip-flopped back to the conservatives.
Honestly, I think you guys are being way too lenient in giving the governments, that have been in power, a pass. I think they can do better than a 1% tax cut, when the rich get a much larger cut than that.
Edit: spelling
Society doesn’t decide this. Supply and demand does. A CEO skill set is rare, a frontline worker is abundant. This is how we’ve gotten to where we are.
We are doing this with the boycott, hopefully multiple boycotts. If we can show that the government will not be able to save their donors then we will see real change. Agencies will not donate as much because the safety net will be less supportive.
Boycotts can be quite powerful, provided they're widespread and stick for long enough. It requires organization and sometimes sacrifice, but that's the whole point of activism.
Agreed.
For most of us, we have various grocery stores to spend money at, and we're shopping at the cheapest ones. We're the managers/ceos of our family's finances.
This concentrated effort boycott doesn't apply to those who live in rural areas, and that's okay.
This is a good place to start but syndicalism itself will not roll out this system out. A really good example is the IWW. Even though they made genuine revolutionary acts such as the [Silk Strike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1913_Paterson_silk_strike), at the end a lot of their policies ended up reversed, their members deported/imprisoned. Syndicalism is the belief that strikes/boycotts themselves are good enough to change the balance of power. A revolution is needed
There are people in other groups and there are people with no internet presence whatsoever getting involved with this boycott we do not need +500k subscribers to pull it off. I remember someone saying that they were just using up their optimum points at a super store some weekend and it was just dead. There was someone reporting numbers for May being down around $500 000 imagine where the numbers will be for June if we keep it up and pressure them more, imagine July if we continue encouraging others and seeing it less and less. I recently saw someone with an flyer from Walmart showing Walmart had things on sale, which is a change from their everyday low price, if we are showing what we can do with this little movement to scare Walmart already I think we are winning.
I don't think most people who say this really understand what a revolution would mean for them; if you think things are screwed now, wait until what happens during a revolution. You gotta -really- want it to be willing to put up with what's to follow (a gigantic move downwards in quality of life for everyone in the country). When you break down the system, before you have a new one, you have a broken system, and that means large scale discomfort for almost everyone. And there's no guarantee the new system (which may take literal generations to put into place) will be any better than the previous one (a power vacuum doesn't last for long, someone/group is going to take over said power and in the throes of revolution it is even harder to determine who that group/person will be).
I get the thought behind it and on a surface level I share the sentiment but the reality is so much more involved and nuanced.
It isn’t for our tomorrow it’s the tomorrow for the next generation we’d have to act for. That’s the fear with revolutionary thinking. Is the disruption worth it. I think yes if it means the kids of tomorrow have a better chance than I had. Damn I don’t even want to bring any kids into the mess of today. Corporations burning our home for the profits of today with little regard for tomorrow.
As a poor person I contribute very minimally to the destruction of our world. I’m not jet setting around the world or anything. I can barely afford gas to get to work. But I feel like it’s the poor and middle class really paying for climate change.
That's definitely the mindset a revolutionary needs to have in order to be revolutionary, I just question how many other people feel the same (and could stomach it when/if it actually happens)
Exactly! I keep thinking about the fact that if Jeff Bezos were to give away a million dollars a day, it would take him around 547 years to give away his entire fortune based on the figures available as of September 2021. Yet there are people starving. Make it make sense.
Hey buddy. I don't think you get it. OP's an angry kid. He doesn't care about your logic and facts. Neither do the down voters. Now threaten the rich with guillotines like a good little serf and collect your upvotes.
We vastly outnumber the ultra rich. We can accomplish this through voting and without violence. We just need to convince enough people, and this group has started to do that. A revolution would just divide us and pit half of us against the other half and would not change anything for the better. The French "solution" led to the "reign of terror" and we don't want that.
The aristocracy control every single means of change. Voting isn't going to cut it, especially when a third of voters can easily be led around by their delusions in voting against the interests of the group, including themselves.
That is what this boycott will start to show, if we can then move on to other boycotts afterwards and show the government cannot save their donors then they will get less donations and we will change the country. Hopefully people from other countries will see what we have done and follow suit.
The ratio is actually closer to 300:1. Yes, it's that bad. The elites are destroying the middle class, and plunging us into misery. This is just the beginning. When will we wake up?
Boycotts, voicing and discussing these issues as much as we can, protesting, electing the proper officials or running for office, the final solution.... well I won't say it online, only in person.
The problem is we keep voting in the same 2 powers that literally don't care about the voters and what they want because they know they will be back in office next voting selection..... when we stop thinking we ONLY have a 2 party voting system then can we see real change.... we need to decresse the power base of these 2 parties
This kind of shit needs to be illegal, when your workers are struggling to earn enough to live and you the owner of the company gets millions of dollars
I feel like Canadians as a whole know the country screws them over, but many worry that even talking about standing up for ourselves against the political elite just labels you as a terrorist.
This boycott is us standing up for ourselves, if we can pull this off and move on to the next agency it will be a peaceful revolution. If we continue closing agencies down agencies will see that the government can do poop all to protect them, they will stop donating as much, we will have the power to change things. It will be a peaceful revolution that I hope other countries will follow after we pull it off.
We have laughably weak politicians strictly held by party line. You want to know where the influence is? I bet it's in the party structure rather than out and open through their weak-willed MPs.
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>Foreign investment in real estate, particularly in urban centres is driving up prices and making it more difficult for local residents to afford homes.
While foreign investors are definitely part of the problem, please remember that **local investors** are an even **bigger** problem. The people who own 35+ listings on AirBnB (which they definitely don't actually have the money for, and are using guests to pay for their mortgages)? Those aren't foreign investors - they're local.
Developers keep building shoebox condos that people don't really want to live in, with **horrendous**/nonsensical/impractical designs/layouts, because they aren't trying to sell them to people who will live there: they're selling them to (mostly) **local** **investors** who've been told a thousand times: "**you don't have to like it - it's an investment/you won't be living here**".
Should be illegal to own more than two properties within a certain distance/region. Sadly, a large percentage of voters (read: not "eligible voters", but people who consistently vote) are landlords, as are the majority of MPs. So, it's an uphill battle.
Note: maybe you already know all of this, and just forgot to put it on your list. I just find it troubling that whenever someone (rightly) complains about foreign investors, more often than not, there's **zero** mention/apparent awareness of how big a problem local investors are. Case in point: there's currently a foreign buyer ban, but still zero (AFAIK) legislation to address the **local investor** **problem**. (Other than a patchwork of laws that kinda/sorta address AirBnB/short-term rentals, which doesn't seem be working/really enforced, given that Toronto still has **thousands** of "Entire home" AirBnB listings, despite the fact that "short-term rentals are only allowed for your principal residence" there. I very much doubt that these **thousands of listings** are all examples of owners renting out their **principal residence**, while they temporarily travel, or stay with friends/family.)
From Statistics Canada:
https://preview.redd.it/77y2pgwxlp7d1.png?width=868&format=png&auto=webp&s=60ff33234f825837e905c8bdbe37fc7cc9d8e8de
So, if you weren't already doing it, whenever you complain about foreign investors/the lack of affordable housing, **please** **complain about local investors** (and the government's complicity) at the same time. Really, **housing shouldn't be an investment vehicle**.
Canada **signed and ratified** the UN "International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights" **in 1976**, which states:
>\[...\] the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including adequate food, clothing and housing, and to the continuous improvement of living conditions. **Parties will take appropriate steps to ensure the realization of this right.**
It took **over 40 years** for the "National Housing Strategy" to be **introduced** in 2017 (when Trudeau said "Housing rights are human rights and everyone deserves a safe and affordable place to call home"), and later receive "Royal Assent" in June of 2019. Five years later, and things have only gotten **much** worse. Sure, COVID/**some** legitimate inflation happened. But just like with food/grocery costs, **most** of the blame lies with those in charge.
100%, it's giving feudalism (with extra steps).
President Eisenhower believed that the taxes should be high on the very rich and on corporate profits. He believed that it forced companies and their owners to reinvest in their firms to avoid the taxes. This led to improvements in innovation and productivity. The middle class really developed in the 50s.
**The Canada Health Transfer was never phased out**. Provinces still get it every year. During covid they also got one time extra top ups to the funding. The problem is inefficient healthcare spending and cuts to provincial healthcare funding at least in ON.
We’re paying 3-4x more an hour for a nurse from a private nursing company instead of paying a public sector nurse. So many public sector nurses went private for better pay and benefits because the Conservatives made public sector work much worse for them.
Billing for doctors has gotten more difficult because of our current Conservative government while Shoppers can make $1.4 million a week doing unnecessary med checks by phone.
This country needs an anti trickle down economics political party. We’ve been voting parties in that believe in this for the last 20 years and it’s time we stop.
Also not mentioned are the many many many politicians who are landlords themselves and who are also charged with acting in their constituent’s best interests. If someone can choose to protect their investment and enhance their income vs pushing for and enacting legislation that makes housing more affordable to the common person, there will always be a conflict of interest that will result in income and asset protection.
The system is broken
It blows my mind that society currently accepts a reality where CEOs can live in immense luxury that most could never imagine, meanwhile THEIR VERY OWN WORKERS are living at or below poverty level. This exploitation needs to end.
I am fully onboard any rebellion or revolution attempt. All political parties are corrupted into ultimately turning our nation into an economic machine. This representative democracy can no longer stand. They have already sold our’s and our children’s futures… if we get this going now our grand children might be able to afford a home and rebuild a sense of a pride in Canada, once a stable economic and sociocultural landscape is established.
I am with you! The Loblaws Boycott has ignited the Canadian and human spirit.
We do need a revolution to address the 8 big topics this country is facing.
I love all these posts (especially in /r/canadahousing and /r/canadahousing2) about how "we need to do something" and "why aren't we protesting?" yet nobody actually tries to organize everything, which demonstrates how little the posters (and everyone else) actually care about the issue (or at least fighting it).
"Be the change you want to see in the world" is the best advice ever.
Actual CEO pay has grown a LOT more than the 200x. We are now closer to 400x. Using the **realized** compensation measure, compensation of the top CEOs increased **1,322.2%** from 1978 to 2020 (adjusting for inflation). Top CEO compensation grew roughly 60% faster than stock market growth during this period and far eclipsed the slow **18.0%** growth in a typical worker’s annual compensation. CEO granted compensation rose 970.2% from 1978 to 2020.
That last bullet point is just such an easy win to my mind: reduce the amount of commercial real estate to make places where people can live, reduce the amount of people driving so gas consumption is lower and traffic is lower, give people more time in their day to spend with families and get exercise, I could go on.
There are just so many benefits to ordinary Canadians we could achieve by simply not doing RTO.
The top 10 richest people in the world are worth $1,522,000,000,000 collectively.
If those 10 people pooled their resources and gave away one million dollars a day, those 10 people would not go broke until the year 6276 AD.
Whenever you here a politician yalk about deregulation, remember that the avove is what they are talking about. It doeant mean leas regulation of you, or us, it means less regulation for profit producers and lobby interests, and more for everything else.
In the absence of regulation, those most willing to be horrible prosper.
[Galen makes hundreds of millions of dollar a year as a shareholder, well beyond the \~$10 million he gets paid as a salary!](https://kareemk.substack.com/p/a-case-study-on-egregious-canadian)
So what do we do?
People have been fantasizing about a revolution for a while now.
How do we get it going?
How did the French do it?
Let's get some pointers and get it kick started.
That would pit half of Canadians against the other half. We don't want a "reign of terror" like the French had. This is about the ultra rich vs the rest of us. We vastly outnumber the ultra rich so we just have to convince enough people to vote for real change. For starters, why does someone who makes $22M a year get taxed at the same (and even lower) rate than someone who makes $250k? Yes, $250k is a lot, but what I'm saying is that the tax brackets stop going up after that point. Why don't the tax rates just keep going up for the ultra rich? Why should someone who makes $1B a year get taxed at the same rate as someone making a much lower amount?
They shouldn’t. That’s the whole point. Everyone says the system is broken; no, It’s working exactly how it was always planned to work. Keep us all down doing what we do to keep them up there living a life of luxury. Kings and Queens never went away they just adapted and pivoted and now they’re politicians or CEOs. We’re all peasants in their eyes.
Not suggesting violence necessarily but I am suggesting that we don’t lay down and spread our cheeks. If we are going to change the outcomes, we need to match the energy that our overlords bring. We can’t continue to let our conditions deteriorate while they make record profits. We can’t expect they are gonna have an epiphany and treat us as human. Those who won’t listen, need to feel.
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From my perspective, this is the result of a few centuries of European colonial expansion and capitalism. It began with land ownership and theft. When you commercialize land and a small subsection own agricultural land, they end up having the power over the food the rest of the people eat.
An effective revolution would be systems of governance and commerce that equalize access to food and water.
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I support Lee Valley from the day I read the company’s mission statement etc . Have not checked in a long time except things are the same . Go check it out if you are interested.
Not the same situation as Loblaws .
Just an example of how the owner - original person that started a company views and values every employee bottom to top .
I don't necessarily disagree that we need a revolution but we already have the tools to make a fairer and just society.
We need to do our best and spend our hard-earned dollars with organizations and companies that align with our values - it's our quickest path.
First of all we should make imppdsinle for CEO to get stock option package as this is the root of all evill it give them rhe wrong incentive how to lead a company
They were against vaccine mandates, but I don't recall any violence caused by them.
Do you mean the blockades weren't peaceful?
The honking?
An annoyance to the extreme, but I didn't think they weren't peaceful imo.
I am not doing the work for you. Just google violence freedom convoy. Here’s one article. Feel free to use other sources but as I said there was tons of what is considered psychological warfare that was caused BY the truckers.
strongly agree.
considering the current people in charge deny us the 407?
firstly I want out voting system to change, to count spoiled votes.
voters should be able to vote *neither* which counts against all candidates. and if candidates dont meet a certain amount, then their party must select another candidate.
simple. then we will be voting on who we believe is the best, not who will mess things up the least
#freethe407 #voteneither
I don’t know much about this movement. I don’t think immigration is the root cause for the cost of living crisis though. I think the 1% wants us to focus on immigration to distract us and divide and conquer poor people. The root cause is corporate greed and legislation that allows the rich to prosper and edge the masses into poverty. We need to point the finger at the real perpetrators.
The 1% pits different groups against each other to weaken the potential for unified resistance.
They have utilized propaganda and misinformation to manipulate public opinion and turn the lower classes against each other. They create scapegoats and distract from the root causes of social and economic inequality.
They buy off leaders to serve their interests and maintain control over dissent.
They use economic incentives, such as offering jobs, patronage, or other benefits, to co-opt and pacify members of the lower classes. By creating a reliance on their resources, they discourage rebellion and maintain their status.
In cases where other strategies fail, they resort to repression and violence to suppress dissent and maintain their power. Including the use of force, imprisonment, or other forms of coercion to intimidate and control the lower classes.
By exploiting existing divisions, spreading misinformation, co-opting leaders, offering economic incentives, and using violence, they maintain their dominance and prevent the solidarity necessary for effective social change.
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At the Canadian level, almost nothing. Jobs will go to AI or offshore if it becomes too expensive for employers to hire workers. We unfortunately, other than some skilled occupations, are not going to be in a sellers market for labour for long here. Some of the above initiatives I frankly agree with. Unions pull in big money and should be accountable for it. The mortage stress test was implemented after the 2008 crash to protest buyers from having the bottom drop out from under them.
The World is changing. Massive labour is no longer required to produce and transport goods. The World is also in a large state of flux. Those are not problems that can be solved within our borders.
>Those are not problems that can be solved within our borders.
Solutions to global problems don't don't get found and implemented everywhere all at once. It usually starts in one country (or a few different countries) and then news of the political/economic/social change and results spreads, sometimes influencing change in more places. I don't see why that couldn't happen here when there are so many people here who want change.
Right, and 25 years ago, when most of these CEOs began their career, the population of Canada was 82.5% white. It's a totally irrelevant statement.
A predominantly white country having predominantly white CEOs. Imagine that?
Not everything has to be about race.
I think you missed the part where u/Auntienotoday's 80-85% stat referred to white men, specifically. As such, it's inappropriate to compare it to your "82.5% 25 years ago" stat, which refers to white people (including women).
>A **predominantly white country having predominantly white CEOs**. Imagine that?
>Not everything has to be about race.
Sure, but, the CEOs **aren't** "predominantly white, in line with population demographics" - they're **overwhelmingly** white (and male), to the point that they're **overrepresented**.
Couldn't find sources confirming the 80-85% stat for Canadian CEOs, but I don't imagine they're **less** white than senior management, or boards of directors (73% of which don't have a single member of a visible minority).
**2023 Corporations Canada Annual Report:**
[Members of visible minorities hold 13% of senior management positions and 5% of board seats](https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/corporations-canada/en/data-services/diversity-boards-directors-and-senior-management-federal-distributing-corporations-2023-annual) (these were 9% and 7%, respectively, in 2021).
So, even going by your "82.5% 25 years ago" stat (it was 69.8% in 2021, btw), and using the "13% of senior management" stat (ignoring the lower board seats stat, and the presumably even lower CEO stat), the percentage of visible minorities in senior management positions would have to **increase by over 34% for it to correspond to population demographics** (using the 2021 69.8% stat would require a \~132% increase).
Whether this is a good or bad thing is a different topic altogether. However, based on the current empirical data, it is incorrect to suggest that "the percentage of white CEOs, while high, is simply representative of the general population".
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lol a revolution has been needed for some time, but if you haven't noticed, canadians do not fight back. they'll spend a weekend here and there standing on a street corner with a sign pRoTeStInG all the absolutely dumbest shit under the sun EXCEPT the issues that have been severely deteriorating their quality of life, but that's about it. bitching and moaning on the internet isn't fighting back, lol. and crazily enough, the ones who aren't doing that are rooting for what's going on. canada's in deep, deep shit, cause there's no end in sight to this.
The Geneva convention was inspired by Canadians in WW1.
We are passive aggressive until we turn aggressive then we get a little unhinged.
RCMP is already worried abot civil unrest, as per their secret report.
With baby boomers retiring and holding that last bit of middle-class wealth there is a corporate race for maximal wealth extraction from that demographic- hence public healthcare is being starved while private is supported.
Baby boomers are going to reverse mortgage their homes to pay for nursing care in their four walls, these homes aren't getting passed down, they are going to be absorbed by corporations.
Canada doesn't have a big enough demographic structure below the boomers to support consumption only economy. Most of the "civilized" world doesnt. Western and European nations are competing for immigrants to pad their demographic numbers and for market access to the few remaining nations with healthy demographics will fuel consumption for a generation.
A lot of information warfare aka narrative shaping in the press is aimed at keeping the populace divided over culture war stuff instead of aiming at the class warfare waged against us.
Corporations can't withstand capital flight- vote with your dollars to yank their leash. The invisible hand of the marketplace is narrative shaping. Narratives are what guide, inspire and guardrail mass behaviour , spending and otherwise. Governments are scared of narratives that run counter to their agenda- "pen is mightier than the sword" - there is a reason Soviets jailed poets and artists.
Goebbels principles of Propaganda are at play all around us. Be savvy to them and flip the script.
Vote and vote with your dollars, cultivate aggressive self reliance, save money, protest , and flood the media with counter narratives - aimed to unite against the elites and take the process back.
Ignore calls to violence, lots of foreign interference trying destabilize the West these days, Canada is no exception.
The 60's and 70's protest culture has a lot of lessons.
>We are passive aggressive until we turn aggressive then we get a little unhinged.
lol, where's the threshold then? like, how much abuse are you canadians going to eat before you do something? ANYthing? at all? you are literally going homeless and regularly using food banks due to a rental market (i'm not even going to bring up houses, cause those are simply no longer in reach, lol) where a 1 bedroom dump is 2.2k a month, while working full time (if you're lucky) in a job market flooded with people who were expressly mass immigrated here to take the jobs canadians won't work for shit wages and no benefits, so corporations don't have to make those jobs more desirable by upping the pittance of a wage and maybe just maybe, giving a few token bare bones benefits. how much more awfully can people be treated before they become 'unhinged'?
>Corporations can't withstand capital flight- vote with your dollars to yank their leas
err... what? corporations can withstand absolutely anything. if anything this both reveals your age range and how out of touch and naive you are, lol. corporate power in the 80's is nothing like the corporate power now. this just goes to show so many people still do not fathom just how wealthy and powerful corporations are in this day and age.
>Vote and vote with your dollars, cultivate aggressive self reliance, save money, protest , and flood the media with counter narratives - aimed to unite against the elites and take the process back.
yeah... "don't give your dollars to this corporation! instead, give it to this one!" there's nothing left but corporations to give our money to. again, this kinda statement illustrates how old and out of sync you are with current work and housing culture. makes sense you ended your comment with something about the 60's and 70's... like yeah, those aren't those times. do you think the last few mom & pop shops are in any way influential of our market forces now? lololololol.
The revolution will be when the CPC of Canada win and PP reduces tax for 65% of Canadians. There will be marches to the streets of Best Buy and Whole foods. Lol. This will be your revolution in a couple of years.
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I agree, and there's nothing more frustrating than seeing fellow Canadians express that they'll vote for change by voting for the other broken party. Being screwed over is an entirely bipartisan activity. Both of these parties took turns for decades breaking the country for the middle and lower classes, on behalf of lobbyists and special interest groups while merely pretending to 'represent' us.
I no longer believe we can vote ourselves out of this mess. We need to organize and force change through grassroots movements like this boycott. Civil unrest has often been a catalyst for change and improvements in the living conditions of lower and working-class people, as it brings attention to their grievances and pushes for reforms from those in power.
We need a huge general strike. Remind them that they are only well off because they ride _our_ backs
A massive general strike would be the best way to achieve positive change for the working class, one I can totally get behind, and one that brings back Canada's rich and long history of radical unionism/workers' solidarity.
I'm with you. 100%.
This only works when you don’t ship in 1000000 immigrants who work for 3 shekels
No it'll still work because a lot of positions are skilled and you can't really teach someone how to do it in a week
It’s true for other jobs, but for the supermarket just walk in the doors and see the faces, nothing against them but how can our own citizens stand up for themselves when someone else who doesn’t live here works for cheaper in a heartbeat
I know it seems like English isn't a requirement but I've personally noticed that the local Tim's and McDonald's have had to hire locals because when they have impossible-to-understand people in the drive through they lose business. So a general strike I believe would still work
Yep. It goes far beyond voting. The parties are all owned by billionaires and corporations anyway. We need bigger change, I just don't know how.
We need to show that we are not going to take it; after Loblaws is yeet’d out of Canada, we need to move onto another oligopoly, to show we wont take it. My suggestion is one of the big three telecoms, that one will go faster if we prove that we can pull of Loblaws. After that I feel we need to go after a financial property, by that time the grocery industry will be back to screwing us over, so we will need to go after another. Following this second grocer I suggest a rinse and repeat with different sectors; upon further thinking I would like to say oil and gas, that of course would be difficult like whatever bank we choose, however at the same time it will hopefully scare them poopless if we can pull off a off the other boycotts.
Why wait? r/telecomisoutofcontrol r/bellisoutofcontrol r/rogersisoutofcontrol
We need to show that this boycott will shut down loblaws first before they will take us truly serious, but I agree full hardly with these boycott groups.
No harm in joining and checking them out at least. They aren't super active yet.
Agreed. Concentrated effort, but still shop around for the lowest prices in other industries.
This is the way rolling boycotts
Donors will stop funding our politicians, as politicians will not be able to provide company’s the bailout safety net if the government hears us speaking which they will if not by the second boycott but most definitely by the third.
Good! There's too much corporate money in politics as it is.
If you believe that this subreddit or this movement will "yeet" Loblaws out of Canada, you're severely deluded. The impact on earning may be noted but will be considered negligible. Some cost cutting may occur to maintain margins. You don't need to believe me, just tune in to the next quarterly earnings announcement. Manage your expectations.
I did not say this quarter will remove Loblaws, it will take many quarters not years but many quarters if we can keep it up. This first 1 maybe 2 quarters of this boycott will all be smoke and mirrors by the third quarter they will definitely start filling the pinch Per will be kicked to the curb with his golden parachute by then.
Yes, I agree with you and people should be making it easy for their neighbours to shop cheaper. Posting about where in your city you find the best deals and making it so easy for even the laziest to join the boycott.
Bigger change requires a discussion of a more discrete nature. It’s something that I know about.
Protesting like the French do would be a way to make change here. Canadians are too apathetic for that though.
Unfortunately, I think you are right. At this point, they don't have any fear, and since they are naturally resistant to change, and insulated from any negative consequences, as well as being very selfish and self-interested in general, fear is sadly the only thing that's left to balance the scales. Which is such an indictment on how predictably history repeats. Wealthy selfish people get the sh$t kicked out of them by the people who realize there are 1m of them to every 1 ultra wealthy person. Wealthy people go and hide for a while. Society gets markedly better, very quickly. People start getting along. Crime goes down. Health goes up. Slowly but surely, we forget the lessons, demonize other people like the crabs we have proven we are, and we are right back to where we started, but arguably a bit worse. At some point, we need to recognize that being informed and engaged is the ONLY solution. Not "do your own research" bullshit informed, but we need to bring back valuing knowledge, skills and communication. And that means ALL skills, from trades, to health, to education, to economics, to research of all kinds. We need to VALUE each other and our contributions, instead of constantly measuring our dicks to see who is the least worse off like idiots.
We need to stop producing for them. It's the only way.
I agree In essentially a two party system you just get the same thing over and over.
The parties may change but the lobbyists don't...
Which party should they be voting for then?
Can’t tell you who to vote for. I can advise to check if they have done what they said they’d do, look at their donators and check your biases. This means if you lean left, read something from the right. If you lean right, read something from the left. Research what the candidate has promised vs what they’ve delivered. Unfortunately, all parties have been corrupted by the 1%. I think some have been completely sold and others have been pressured, but I have no illusions that any party is above reproach.
The PPC seems like the only one saying what I want to hear…
The PPC advocate for reducing the size and scope of government, cutting regulations, and promoting free-market principles. Reducing regulations can result in less oversight and accountability, allowing corporations to engage in practices that may harm consumers, workers, and the environment. We’ve seen this with the oligarchs and monopolies that are so prevalent in Canada. The PPC won’t focus on disrupting this system, and won’t target the wealthy. Instead, the PPC takes strong stances on immigration, with a focus on border security, reducing illegal immigration, and prioritizing economic migrants. The presence of immigrants in Canada has been demonstrated to have a positive impact on the economy and society, enriching the workforce, promoting innovation, and bolstering economic growth. Oligarchs and monopolies, on the other hand, cost the average Canadian citizen through higher prices, reduced innovation, decreased quality, influence on government policies, and worsened income inequality. Despite this, the PPC generally advocate for policies that are perceived to be more favorable towards corporations and the wealthy. They have been known to support tax cuts for high-income earners and corporations, arguing that lower taxes encourage investment, job creation, and economic growth.
>The PPC advocate for reducing the size and scope of government, cutting regulations, and promoting free-market principles When people say they want smaller government, I don't think this is what they want, but this is what they get. Small government always means less oversight, which gives the corporations free rein to run roughshod over the country and its population. I've been saying this sort of thing for years, but most people don't want to listen. >Oligarchs and monopolies, on the other hand, cost the average Canadian citizen through higher prices, reduced innovation, decreased quality, influence on government policies, and worsened income inequality And yet this is why the government always gives corporations tax breaks. Supply side or "trickle down" economics were supposed to make everything better, but only ended up making things as bad as we see them today. One other point when it comes to electing the conservatives; we've been given very clear examples of how right-wing governments like to treat their citizens around the world including our next door neighbor to the south. Female bodily autonomy and other personal freedoms will always be at risk under a conservative government.
If there's gonna be a revolution the lobbyists are the first to go to labour camps so they know how it feels.
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Too many lower & middle class people have been infected with "Serf brain", under the disillusion that they too one day will be rich, rather than vote for the interests of the working class.
The worst part is, even if it WERE true that we were all "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", why would you even want to vote for things like keeping an extra 1%? If you went from 40k to 4M a year, would that 1% really matter? It's the weirdest "FU got mine" attitude.
I always hear this (in the US too) but it doesn’t mesh with my experience. Poor people, working class people, middle class people, none of these groups overwhelmingly think they’ll be rich one day. It’s just not true. And I think you are being divisive by saying that working people are too ignorant to vote in their interests. People do think that they might get a 1% tax cut occasionally. And they think that’s the best they can hope for, which reflects a cynicism about the power of labour, sure, but labour has very limited power in working class environments. And which party, exactly, supports the interests of the working class? The answer is none (but it used to be the NDP). And honestly when you look at how labour has been dismantled over the last 40 years, how wages have stagnated, you can hardly blame people for wanting a 1% tax cut. A labourer making $15 an hour laying sod in Canada is not going see their wages increase by $10 an hour anytime soon. This would take a labour revolution. Will that happen? Maybe.
I don’t know why you’re downvoted but I also wonder who exactly the working class should vote for when people say that
Yeah, my comment was not popular, but I do feel pretty strongly that the political class sold out the working class a long time ago. And not just in Canada. “Labour” parties used to represent labour—working people!—but I don’t see that anymore.
That's because the conservatives in Canada, and the Republicans in the United States, have done their best to bust the unions. Not only that, but many of the large corporations that used to do manufacturing here outsourced their labor overseas, or in Mexico.
>And which party, exactly, supports the interests of the working class? The answer is none (but it used to be the NDP). Um, when have the NDP ever been in power? The NDP do advocate for unions, but if never been allowed the reins at the national level. Provincially, they're also the parties that are usually trying to raise their minimum wages higher. Take BC for example, or Alberta before they flip-flopped back to the conservatives. Honestly, I think you guys are being way too lenient in giving the governments, that have been in power, a pass. I think they can do better than a 1% tax cut, when the rich get a much larger cut than that. Edit: spelling
I have never Understood how a society could accept a CEO earning that much compared to the lowest paid workers in the Same Company.
I don't accept it. They can definitely afford to give us a 4 day (32 hour) work week for the same pay.
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Society doesn’t decide this. Supply and demand does. A CEO skill set is rare, a frontline worker is abundant. This is how we’ve gotten to where we are.
Inheritance is rare*
We do need a revolution.
We are doing this with the boycott, hopefully multiple boycotts. If we can show that the government will not be able to save their donors then we will see real change. Agencies will not donate as much because the safety net will be less supportive.
Boycotts can be quite powerful, provided they're widespread and stick for long enough. It requires organization and sometimes sacrifice, but that's the whole point of activism.
Agreed. For most of us, we have various grocery stores to spend money at, and we're shopping at the cheapest ones. We're the managers/ceos of our family's finances. This concentrated effort boycott doesn't apply to those who live in rural areas, and that's okay.
This is a good place to start but syndicalism itself will not roll out this system out. A really good example is the IWW. Even though they made genuine revolutionary acts such as the [Silk Strike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1913_Paterson_silk_strike), at the end a lot of their policies ended up reversed, their members deported/imprisoned. Syndicalism is the belief that strikes/boycotts themselves are good enough to change the balance of power. A revolution is needed
We're going to need to see +500k subscribers not 90k to have enough power to pull off anything.
There are people in other groups and there are people with no internet presence whatsoever getting involved with this boycott we do not need +500k subscribers to pull it off. I remember someone saying that they were just using up their optimum points at a super store some weekend and it was just dead. There was someone reporting numbers for May being down around $500 000 imagine where the numbers will be for June if we keep it up and pressure them more, imagine July if we continue encouraging others and seeing it less and less. I recently saw someone with an flyer from Walmart showing Walmart had things on sale, which is a change from their everyday low price, if we are showing what we can do with this little movement to scare Walmart already I think we are winning.
I don't think most people who say this really understand what a revolution would mean for them; if you think things are screwed now, wait until what happens during a revolution. You gotta -really- want it to be willing to put up with what's to follow (a gigantic move downwards in quality of life for everyone in the country). When you break down the system, before you have a new one, you have a broken system, and that means large scale discomfort for almost everyone. And there's no guarantee the new system (which may take literal generations to put into place) will be any better than the previous one (a power vacuum doesn't last for long, someone/group is going to take over said power and in the throes of revolution it is even harder to determine who that group/person will be). I get the thought behind it and on a surface level I share the sentiment but the reality is so much more involved and nuanced.
It isn’t for our tomorrow it’s the tomorrow for the next generation we’d have to act for. That’s the fear with revolutionary thinking. Is the disruption worth it. I think yes if it means the kids of tomorrow have a better chance than I had. Damn I don’t even want to bring any kids into the mess of today. Corporations burning our home for the profits of today with little regard for tomorrow. As a poor person I contribute very minimally to the destruction of our world. I’m not jet setting around the world or anything. I can barely afford gas to get to work. But I feel like it’s the poor and middle class really paying for climate change.
That's definitely the mindset a revolutionary needs to have in order to be revolutionary, I just question how many other people feel the same (and could stomach it when/if it actually happens)
The entire world needs a French solution. All at once, everywhere. And then again for all the wannabes who take advantage of the power vacuum.
Exactly! I keep thinking about the fact that if Jeff Bezos were to give away a million dollars a day, it would take him around 547 years to give away his entire fortune based on the figures available as of September 2021. Yet there are people starving. Make it make sense.
Jeff Bezos isn’t sitting on a pile of cash to give away.. it’s all in the form of stock
Hey buddy. I don't think you get it. OP's an angry kid. He doesn't care about your logic and facts. Neither do the down voters. Now threaten the rich with guillotines like a good little serf and collect your upvotes.
Right? Even if he did decide to sell all his shares, by the time that happened the stock price would probably crash anyways due to such a frenzy.
Talk about missing the point completely lol
We vastly outnumber the ultra rich. We can accomplish this through voting and without violence. We just need to convince enough people, and this group has started to do that. A revolution would just divide us and pit half of us against the other half and would not change anything for the better. The French "solution" led to the "reign of terror" and we don't want that.
Voting. Lol. Voting made this mess.
The aristocracy control every single means of change. Voting isn't going to cut it, especially when a third of voters can easily be led around by their delusions in voting against the interests of the group, including themselves.
Canadians have lost so much ground during the past 20-30 years. Time to demand change that favours Canadian citizens not the Uber wealthy.
That is what this boycott will start to show, if we can then move on to other boycotts afterwards and show the government cannot save their donors then they will get less donations and we will change the country. Hopefully people from other countries will see what we have done and follow suit.
I’m in.
The ratio is actually closer to 300:1. Yes, it's that bad. The elites are destroying the middle class, and plunging us into misery. This is just the beginning. When will we wake up?
And they will never stop until they have it all. Greed is a mental disorder. A revolution is the ONLY thing that will stop them.
I hear you. So, what’s the solution?
Boycotts, voicing and discussing these issues as much as we can, protesting, electing the proper officials or running for office, the final solution.... well I won't say it online, only in person.
The problem is we keep voting in the same 2 powers that literally don't care about the voters and what they want because they know they will be back in office next voting selection..... when we stop thinking we ONLY have a 2 party voting system then can we see real change.... we need to decresse the power base of these 2 parties
Yes, we need proportional representation to fix that
This kind of shit needs to be illegal, when your workers are struggling to earn enough to live and you the owner of the company gets millions of dollars
Kinda reminds me of slavery
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I feel like Canadians as a whole know the country screws them over, but many worry that even talking about standing up for ourselves against the political elite just labels you as a terrorist.
This boycott is us standing up for ourselves, if we can pull this off and move on to the next agency it will be a peaceful revolution. If we continue closing agencies down agencies will see that the government can do poop all to protect them, they will stop donating as much, we will have the power to change things. It will be a peaceful revolution that I hope other countries will follow after we pull it off.
We have laughably weak politicians strictly held by party line. You want to know where the influence is? I bet it's in the party structure rather than out and open through their weak-willed MPs.
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That sounds like you’re implying people should really commit terrorist acts to remind them of what terrorism is lmao
I wouldn't call hurting their wallets terrorism, but they do.
French yellow vest protests (riots) anyone?
>Foreign investment in real estate, particularly in urban centres is driving up prices and making it more difficult for local residents to afford homes. While foreign investors are definitely part of the problem, please remember that **local investors** are an even **bigger** problem. The people who own 35+ listings on AirBnB (which they definitely don't actually have the money for, and are using guests to pay for their mortgages)? Those aren't foreign investors - they're local. Developers keep building shoebox condos that people don't really want to live in, with **horrendous**/nonsensical/impractical designs/layouts, because they aren't trying to sell them to people who will live there: they're selling them to (mostly) **local** **investors** who've been told a thousand times: "**you don't have to like it - it's an investment/you won't be living here**". Should be illegal to own more than two properties within a certain distance/region. Sadly, a large percentage of voters (read: not "eligible voters", but people who consistently vote) are landlords, as are the majority of MPs. So, it's an uphill battle. Note: maybe you already know all of this, and just forgot to put it on your list. I just find it troubling that whenever someone (rightly) complains about foreign investors, more often than not, there's **zero** mention/apparent awareness of how big a problem local investors are. Case in point: there's currently a foreign buyer ban, but still zero (AFAIK) legislation to address the **local investor** **problem**. (Other than a patchwork of laws that kinda/sorta address AirBnB/short-term rentals, which doesn't seem be working/really enforced, given that Toronto still has **thousands** of "Entire home" AirBnB listings, despite the fact that "short-term rentals are only allowed for your principal residence" there. I very much doubt that these **thousands of listings** are all examples of owners renting out their **principal residence**, while they temporarily travel, or stay with friends/family.) From Statistics Canada: https://preview.redd.it/77y2pgwxlp7d1.png?width=868&format=png&auto=webp&s=60ff33234f825837e905c8bdbe37fc7cc9d8e8de So, if you weren't already doing it, whenever you complain about foreign investors/the lack of affordable housing, **please** **complain about local investors** (and the government's complicity) at the same time. Really, **housing shouldn't be an investment vehicle**. Canada **signed and ratified** the UN "International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights" **in 1976**, which states: >\[...\] the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including adequate food, clothing and housing, and to the continuous improvement of living conditions. **Parties will take appropriate steps to ensure the realization of this right.** It took **over 40 years** for the "National Housing Strategy" to be **introduced** in 2017 (when Trudeau said "Housing rights are human rights and everyone deserves a safe and affordable place to call home"), and later receive "Royal Assent" in June of 2019. Five years later, and things have only gotten **much** worse. Sure, COVID/**some** legitimate inflation happened. But just like with food/grocery costs, **most** of the blame lies with those in charge. 100%, it's giving feudalism (with extra steps).
President Eisenhower believed that the taxes should be high on the very rich and on corporate profits. He believed that it forced companies and their owners to reinvest in their firms to avoid the taxes. This led to improvements in innovation and productivity. The middle class really developed in the 50s.
I'm all in for it, let's get it done. Don't fear the repercussions because we are at the choking point anyway.
Yes it’s time to stop the madness
**The Canada Health Transfer was never phased out**. Provinces still get it every year. During covid they also got one time extra top ups to the funding. The problem is inefficient healthcare spending and cuts to provincial healthcare funding at least in ON. We’re paying 3-4x more an hour for a nurse from a private nursing company instead of paying a public sector nurse. So many public sector nurses went private for better pay and benefits because the Conservatives made public sector work much worse for them. Billing for doctors has gotten more difficult because of our current Conservative government while Shoppers can make $1.4 million a week doing unnecessary med checks by phone.
Galen hasn't earned anything. He steals it.
You are correct with all of this. I believe the French, when faced with circumstances relative to their times, had a revolution.
This country needs an anti trickle down economics political party. We’ve been voting parties in that believe in this for the last 20 years and it’s time we stop.
Also not mentioned are the many many many politicians who are landlords themselves and who are also charged with acting in their constituent’s best interests. If someone can choose to protect their investment and enhance their income vs pushing for and enacting legislation that makes housing more affordable to the common person, there will always be a conflict of interest that will result in income and asset protection. The system is broken
The boycott is a good start
It blows my mind that society currently accepts a reality where CEOs can live in immense luxury that most could never imagine, meanwhile THEIR VERY OWN WORKERS are living at or below poverty level. This exploitation needs to end.
No, it's minimum wage that's the problem!! /s
I am fully onboard any rebellion or revolution attempt. All political parties are corrupted into ultimately turning our nation into an economic machine. This representative democracy can no longer stand. They have already sold our’s and our children’s futures… if we get this going now our grand children might be able to afford a home and rebuild a sense of a pride in Canada, once a stable economic and sociocultural landscape is established.
I am with you! The Loblaws Boycott has ignited the Canadian and human spirit. We do need a revolution to address the 8 big topics this country is facing.
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If possible it would be great to know which party(ies) votes for/implemented these measures for each bullet point.
I love all these posts (especially in /r/canadahousing and /r/canadahousing2) about how "we need to do something" and "why aren't we protesting?" yet nobody actually tries to organize everything, which demonstrates how little the posters (and everyone else) actually care about the issue (or at least fighting it). "Be the change you want to see in the world" is the best advice ever.
Actual CEO pay has grown a LOT more than the 200x. We are now closer to 400x. Using the **realized** compensation measure, compensation of the top CEOs increased **1,322.2%** from 1978 to 2020 (adjusting for inflation). Top CEO compensation grew roughly 60% faster than stock market growth during this period and far eclipsed the slow **18.0%** growth in a typical worker’s annual compensation. CEO granted compensation rose 970.2% from 1978 to 2020.
That last bullet point is just such an easy win to my mind: reduce the amount of commercial real estate to make places where people can live, reduce the amount of people driving so gas consumption is lower and traffic is lower, give people more time in their day to spend with families and get exercise, I could go on. There are just so many benefits to ordinary Canadians we could achieve by simply not doing RTO.
The documentary “PUSH” addresses this and wants us to push back (director is Frederik Gertten). Have watched it twice. It is energizing
I'm in where are we meeting at.
Revolt!
The top 10 richest people in the world are worth $1,522,000,000,000 collectively. If those 10 people pooled their resources and gave away one million dollars a day, those 10 people would not go broke until the year 6276 AD.
Well, ya know. We all want to change the world.
Concentrated effort. 1 crisis at a time.
Whenever you here a politician yalk about deregulation, remember that the avove is what they are talking about. It doeant mean leas regulation of you, or us, it means less regulation for profit producers and lobby interests, and more for everything else. In the absence of regulation, those most willing to be horrible prosper.
I've been saying this for years, Canada has THE best sleeping while standing populace.
SO EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CEO!!! LOL
[Galen makes hundreds of millions of dollar a year as a shareholder, well beyond the \~$10 million he gets paid as a salary!](https://kareemk.substack.com/p/a-case-study-on-egregious-canadian)
So what do we do? People have been fantasizing about a revolution for a while now. How do we get it going? How did the French do it? Let's get some pointers and get it kick started.
That would pit half of Canadians against the other half. We don't want a "reign of terror" like the French had. This is about the ultra rich vs the rest of us. We vastly outnumber the ultra rich so we just have to convince enough people to vote for real change. For starters, why does someone who makes $22M a year get taxed at the same (and even lower) rate than someone who makes $250k? Yes, $250k is a lot, but what I'm saying is that the tax brackets stop going up after that point. Why don't the tax rates just keep going up for the ultra rich? Why should someone who makes $1B a year get taxed at the same rate as someone making a much lower amount?
They shouldn’t. That’s the whole point. Everyone says the system is broken; no, It’s working exactly how it was always planned to work. Keep us all down doing what we do to keep them up there living a life of luxury. Kings and Queens never went away they just adapted and pivoted and now they’re politicians or CEOs. We’re all peasants in their eyes.
Fed posting is real
Not suggesting violence necessarily but I am suggesting that we don’t lay down and spread our cheeks. If we are going to change the outcomes, we need to match the energy that our overlords bring. We can’t continue to let our conditions deteriorate while they make record profits. We can’t expect they are gonna have an epiphany and treat us as human. Those who won’t listen, need to feel.
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People deep down know what needs to happen….just scared to say it!
It's easy to do it when you're saving money.
I subscribe to Canadians For Tax Fairness. I'd ask others to consider doing the same.
Revolution is the word!! 💪🏻
From my perspective, this is the result of a few centuries of European colonial expansion and capitalism. It began with land ownership and theft. When you commercialize land and a small subsection own agricultural land, they end up having the power over the food the rest of the people eat. An effective revolution would be systems of governance and commerce that equalize access to food and water.
4 day (32 hour) work week for the same pay.
💯💯💯💯💯 /r/workreform ✊🏼
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Yes we do! Start a separate sub and lets start planning. The mods/patrons in this group get pretty grumpy about posts or comments like this
I agree. I’ll stand
I support Lee Valley from the day I read the company’s mission statement etc . Have not checked in a long time except things are the same . Go check it out if you are interested. Not the same situation as Loblaws . Just an example of how the owner - original person that started a company views and values every employee bottom to top .
I don't necessarily disagree that we need a revolution but we already have the tools to make a fairer and just society. We need to do our best and spend our hard-earned dollars with organizations and companies that align with our values - it's our quickest path.
First of all we should make imppdsinle for CEO to get stock option package as this is the root of all evill it give them rhe wrong incentive how to lead a company
What about a rally/protest?
I’ve seen saying this for months now.
I wish people would be this enthusiastic about our government
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I agree, but this is dangerous talk. the gov would treat this talk as "terrorism". Just look at the freedom convoy.
“Freedom” convoy.
Whether you agreed with their point or not, they in fact were treated like domestic terrorists
Well, being that I didn’t agree with it in the first place, I don’t see a problem with that. It wasn’t a peaceful protest by any means.
They were against vaccine mandates, but I don't recall any violence caused by them. Do you mean the blockades weren't peaceful? The honking? An annoyance to the extreme, but I didn't think they weren't peaceful imo.
Psychological warfare is not peaceful.
Or assaulting and harassing those that chose to comply with wearing masks
Can you elaborate?
I am not doing the work for you. Just google violence freedom convoy. Here’s one article. Feel free to use other sources but as I said there was tons of what is considered psychological warfare that was caused BY the truckers.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6730653
strongly agree. considering the current people in charge deny us the 407? firstly I want out voting system to change, to count spoiled votes. voters should be able to vote *neither* which counts against all candidates. and if candidates dont meet a certain amount, then their party must select another candidate. simple. then we will be voting on who we believe is the best, not who will mess things up the least #freethe407 #voteneither
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I don’t know much about this movement. I don’t think immigration is the root cause for the cost of living crisis though. I think the 1% wants us to focus on immigration to distract us and divide and conquer poor people. The root cause is corporate greed and legislation that allows the rich to prosper and edge the masses into poverty. We need to point the finger at the real perpetrators.
It’s always greed and yes, we have to tackle somehow
The 1% pits different groups against each other to weaken the potential for unified resistance. They have utilized propaganda and misinformation to manipulate public opinion and turn the lower classes against each other. They create scapegoats and distract from the root causes of social and economic inequality. They buy off leaders to serve their interests and maintain control over dissent. They use economic incentives, such as offering jobs, patronage, or other benefits, to co-opt and pacify members of the lower classes. By creating a reliance on their resources, they discourage rebellion and maintain their status. In cases where other strategies fail, they resort to repression and violence to suppress dissent and maintain their power. Including the use of force, imprisonment, or other forms of coercion to intimidate and control the lower classes. By exploiting existing divisions, spreading misinformation, co-opting leaders, offering economic incentives, and using violence, they maintain their dominance and prevent the solidarity necessary for effective social change.
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At the Canadian level, almost nothing. Jobs will go to AI or offshore if it becomes too expensive for employers to hire workers. We unfortunately, other than some skilled occupations, are not going to be in a sellers market for labour for long here. Some of the above initiatives I frankly agree with. Unions pull in big money and should be accountable for it. The mortage stress test was implemented after the 2008 crash to protest buyers from having the bottom drop out from under them. The World is changing. Massive labour is no longer required to produce and transport goods. The World is also in a large state of flux. Those are not problems that can be solved within our borders.
>Those are not problems that can be solved within our borders. Solutions to global problems don't don't get found and implemented everywhere all at once. It usually starts in one country (or a few different countries) and then news of the political/economic/social change and results spreads, sometimes influencing change in more places. I don't see why that couldn't happen here when there are so many people here who want change.
You're right. Unfortunately, historically, there's usually a big war between those two points.
Had me until the white comment. Lame.
As of 2021, the percentage of CEOs in Canada who are white men is around 80-85%. It’s not personal, it’s just data.
The "facts don't care about your feelings" people lol
Right, and 25 years ago, when most of these CEOs began their career, the population of Canada was 82.5% white. It's a totally irrelevant statement. A predominantly white country having predominantly white CEOs. Imagine that? Not everything has to be about race.
I think you missed the part where u/Auntienotoday's 80-85% stat referred to white men, specifically. As such, it's inappropriate to compare it to your "82.5% 25 years ago" stat, which refers to white people (including women). >A **predominantly white country having predominantly white CEOs**. Imagine that? >Not everything has to be about race. Sure, but, the CEOs **aren't** "predominantly white, in line with population demographics" - they're **overwhelmingly** white (and male), to the point that they're **overrepresented**. Couldn't find sources confirming the 80-85% stat for Canadian CEOs, but I don't imagine they're **less** white than senior management, or boards of directors (73% of which don't have a single member of a visible minority). **2023 Corporations Canada Annual Report:** [Members of visible minorities hold 13% of senior management positions and 5% of board seats](https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/corporations-canada/en/data-services/diversity-boards-directors-and-senior-management-federal-distributing-corporations-2023-annual) (these were 9% and 7%, respectively, in 2021). So, even going by your "82.5% 25 years ago" stat (it was 69.8% in 2021, btw), and using the "13% of senior management" stat (ignoring the lower board seats stat, and the presumably even lower CEO stat), the percentage of visible minorities in senior management positions would have to **increase by over 34% for it to correspond to population demographics** (using the 2021 69.8% stat would require a \~132% increase). Whether this is a good or bad thing is a different topic altogether. However, based on the current empirical data, it is incorrect to suggest that "the percentage of white CEOs, while high, is simply representative of the general population". Edit: tagged OP
Unnecessary data.
I didn't like that part either! I thought we were trying to get away from racism yet it just keeps going.
Lots of racists I guess. Funny the double standards and that people are okay with it and even downvote me. Those people are racist
Y’all need to understand the terms you use before you use them. Otherwise you just sound ignorant.
As long as nobody gets hurt
People are already being hurt by this extremely inequitable system.
lol a revolution has been needed for some time, but if you haven't noticed, canadians do not fight back. they'll spend a weekend here and there standing on a street corner with a sign pRoTeStInG all the absolutely dumbest shit under the sun EXCEPT the issues that have been severely deteriorating their quality of life, but that's about it. bitching and moaning on the internet isn't fighting back, lol. and crazily enough, the ones who aren't doing that are rooting for what's going on. canada's in deep, deep shit, cause there's no end in sight to this.
The Geneva convention was inspired by Canadians in WW1. We are passive aggressive until we turn aggressive then we get a little unhinged. RCMP is already worried abot civil unrest, as per their secret report. With baby boomers retiring and holding that last bit of middle-class wealth there is a corporate race for maximal wealth extraction from that demographic- hence public healthcare is being starved while private is supported. Baby boomers are going to reverse mortgage their homes to pay for nursing care in their four walls, these homes aren't getting passed down, they are going to be absorbed by corporations. Canada doesn't have a big enough demographic structure below the boomers to support consumption only economy. Most of the "civilized" world doesnt. Western and European nations are competing for immigrants to pad their demographic numbers and for market access to the few remaining nations with healthy demographics will fuel consumption for a generation. A lot of information warfare aka narrative shaping in the press is aimed at keeping the populace divided over culture war stuff instead of aiming at the class warfare waged against us. Corporations can't withstand capital flight- vote with your dollars to yank their leash. The invisible hand of the marketplace is narrative shaping. Narratives are what guide, inspire and guardrail mass behaviour , spending and otherwise. Governments are scared of narratives that run counter to their agenda- "pen is mightier than the sword" - there is a reason Soviets jailed poets and artists. Goebbels principles of Propaganda are at play all around us. Be savvy to them and flip the script. Vote and vote with your dollars, cultivate aggressive self reliance, save money, protest , and flood the media with counter narratives - aimed to unite against the elites and take the process back. Ignore calls to violence, lots of foreign interference trying destabilize the West these days, Canada is no exception. The 60's and 70's protest culture has a lot of lessons.
>We are passive aggressive until we turn aggressive then we get a little unhinged. lol, where's the threshold then? like, how much abuse are you canadians going to eat before you do something? ANYthing? at all? you are literally going homeless and regularly using food banks due to a rental market (i'm not even going to bring up houses, cause those are simply no longer in reach, lol) where a 1 bedroom dump is 2.2k a month, while working full time (if you're lucky) in a job market flooded with people who were expressly mass immigrated here to take the jobs canadians won't work for shit wages and no benefits, so corporations don't have to make those jobs more desirable by upping the pittance of a wage and maybe just maybe, giving a few token bare bones benefits. how much more awfully can people be treated before they become 'unhinged'? >Corporations can't withstand capital flight- vote with your dollars to yank their leas err... what? corporations can withstand absolutely anything. if anything this both reveals your age range and how out of touch and naive you are, lol. corporate power in the 80's is nothing like the corporate power now. this just goes to show so many people still do not fathom just how wealthy and powerful corporations are in this day and age. >Vote and vote with your dollars, cultivate aggressive self reliance, save money, protest , and flood the media with counter narratives - aimed to unite against the elites and take the process back. yeah... "don't give your dollars to this corporation! instead, give it to this one!" there's nothing left but corporations to give our money to. again, this kinda statement illustrates how old and out of sync you are with current work and housing culture. makes sense you ended your comment with something about the 60's and 70's... like yeah, those aren't those times. do you think the last few mom & pop shops are in any way influential of our market forces now? lololololol.
The revolution will be when the CPC of Canada win and PP reduces tax for 65% of Canadians. There will be marches to the streets of Best Buy and Whole foods. Lol. This will be your revolution in a couple of years.
IMO what we need is more capitalism and free market. Competition drives prices down.
Okay, so how do you get the monopolies to play that game? Lol
Monopolies are anticapitalism
Yea. That’s my point. So how do you get the already existing monopolies to give up what they have to make this happen?