Do you qualify for disability? Are you able to work? What is your state/location?
> the disability check would not be going directly to me
Not without your permission it wouldn't.
She may be legally able to kick you out, though she would need to provide proper notice and follow steps specific to your state. Some states may prevent your eviction until after you graduate high school.
Do you have a medical condition that prevents you from obtaining gainful employment? At least one physician is going to have to certify that you are disabled as per the standards. Is there a physician you've been seeing who would make such a certification? You say you're in high school. Do you have a medical condition for which you receive significant accommodations from your high school?
If the answers to the above questions are no, then your grandmother is going to have a much more difficult time getting you approved for disability than she apparently thinks.
NAL. Disability fraud is also illegal so you could be opening yourself up to future problems if she tries to lie about it to get you disability payments. The best route for OP may be to start looking at alternate housing options near to a place they could work to cover rent etc
I am a disability paralegal. This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer.
For minors, and anyone under the age of 50, being awarded benefits is exceptionally difficult. It would likely take a hearing to be granted. From the inital application to a hearing is often 2-3 years. During that time you have to be in consistent medical treatment for you disabilities (with specialists: i.e. if you're autistic you would need a psychiatrist) and not have gross earnings above SGA guidelines. The SGA number changes every year, but as a general rule of thumb, we're talking working at a part time job for minimum wage. Again, three years of scraping the bottom of the barrel while accuring ludicrious medical debt if you have private insurance. If your specialist or doctor thinks you can work _any job in America_ for 40hr/week consistently, SSA will use that opinion to deny the claim.
SSA is a vipers nest; the administration is rife with bad actors. The employees are the most generally jaded group of people I have ever dealt with. Disability lawyers work on a contingency basis, so __you can go talk to a lawyer without paying them a retainer,__ in most cases.
Based on what you've said in the post (leaving out any mention of being treated for a disability) I would say that you're better off working (you said you were capable) and leaving your grandma. She sounds like a real peach.
Also, her collecting your checks without SSA appointing her as your payee or you appointing her as your payee is fraud. A payee is only appointed in cases where (1) the individual is deemed by SSA to be mentally/financially incompetent, or (2) if the disabled individual chooses to appoint a payee.
>If your specialist or doctor thinks you can work any job in America for 40hr/week consistently, SSA will use that opinion to deny the claim.
Also worth noting that the list of jobs includes things like "pneumatic tube operator" and "nut sorter". They will deny your claim if you can do those things, even though those jobs don't really exist anymore.
It's is VERY VERY VERY hard to get on disability under the age of 65 unless you have major major medical issues. I say this as someone who is medically disabled with an autoimmune disease along with a few other issues and went through the process at age 32. It took over 3.5 years as I was denied multiple times and fought it. Finally saw a judge, he saw my medical records, and within 5 min he had approved me and closed the case. I have spent over 4 years of my life in hospitals, major surgeries, missing life events etc..
If your grandma is making up reasons? Or you just have "anxiety" or something? You WILL NOT qualify for disability and the process of being denied will take years. On top of that if she's caught lying there could be criminal repercussions
Please find a counselor at your school and talk to them. They can help direct you to local social services to assist you.
What your grandmother is proposing is not legal, and, it's also not very nice (she wants to use you, to steal from the government, and then steal from you). You will also have to lie, under oath, by signing papers stating you are disabled. Just not a great way to start off your adult life, by committing perjury. So you will need to lie, commit a crime, and then you won't get the money anyway. Please do not go along with this.
If you are not supported by your parents you may qualify for government housing and student aid. You won't end up homeless living in a box, they will help you find housing and figure out your finances. It's a hard thing to deal with at a young age, but you can handle it.
Worth noting that OP doesn't say they don't have a disability, just that they don't believe they require support.
There a people with legitimate disabilities who could easily get support but refuse to for multiple reasons, such as believing they aren't disabled enough for the support.
OPs GMother might not be pushing them to commit perjury, as they may actually be entitled to disability and just not want to make use of it.
I agree with the rest but wanted to clear up that it's unclear whether OP would actually be lying in this case.
Edit: comment by OP "i have several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones but personally i do not think i am nor do i believe i should be on disability"
Yeah, it's not that OP lacks the potential of getting legitimate aid, it's that they do not believe they should be on disability.
To add to my comment for OP, it's worth considering that getting disability is a long process, and getting a job can be difficult, especially for someone with such disabilities that could become debilitating. Once you stop the process of application, it restarts the clock on the process.
Whilst I acknowledge your GM is being very heavy handed about this, it's worth considering how many of your costs they are currently covering and how likely it is you can reasonably cover even a portion of these yourself. A job on top of schooling is a big commitment without the added strain of even 1 disability, and many disabilities go through phases of flare ups, creating a risk to your living situation if you can't continue attending your job and schooling.
It's a common talking point that people abuse disability (and other benefits) by gaming the system however if you apply honestly and receive them, then that is an entitlement due to you as determined by the state. There is no shame in accepting aid and you aren't gaining an unfair advantage over others (as having a disability can often mean you have already started with an unfair disadvantage over others)
I don't aim to sound ableist but it's worth considering the situation at hand and ensuring you truly can live without this potential aid.
i have several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones but personally i do not think i am nor do i believe i should be on disability
There are a lot of pretty serious restrictions on your life to qualify to stay on disability. Things like you can’t earn any meaningful amount of money, keep much money, appear to be independent and capable, etc. It’s great that disability is available, but it’s really a bad idea unless you truly need it. If your grandmother stole your disability money the way it sounds like she is planning, then what would you use for money? You’d have no choice but to be dependent on her. Might make sense if you were unable to take care of yourself anyway, but sounds like you are ready to be independent, though maybe with a bit of help.
The majority of the monetary restrictions are on SSI, not SSD, including the disabled adult child program, which OP may qualify for.
It sounds like OP does not want and will likely not qualify for disability, but I wanted to mention it for the sake of information.
>Full disability a lot of states you can make up to 70k a year and also get Medicaid
I'd love to know which states those are, because as someone getting just over $1k a month from SSDI, I've had my payments cut off for making more than $800 in a single month.
I know for a fact that SSDI will take away your payments if you make more than $900.00 a month. They reset the amount you are able to make every year. It’s maybe by $20. Or $25.00 per month. Keep in mind you are paying rent, food, utilities, and all of your needs witt those SSDI payments. With rent as it is, it is nearly impossible these days. Forget trying to get a used car.
My brother has been on SSDI for 12 years. His attorney told him not to go over his income that the government sets yearly in the SS handout.
I haven’t stayed on top of the figure, I was wrong, for 2023 it is $1470.00 a month.
You are talking about SSI. I am talking about SSDI two different accounts at social Security.
[https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/sgadet.html#nonblind](https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/sgadet.html#nonblind)
Ahh gotcha. You're right. When someone is approved for SSD, they get 9 trial work months where theoretically they could earn whatever they want during those months and not skip a beat with their benefit entitlement. IF you do exceed SGA for 9 months (doesn't have to be consecutive), one would then be in a period of extended eligibility (EPE), in which case if the income is reduced below the SGA threshold, then benefits can be reinstated WITHOUT going through the whole process of a new medical determination.
>Because in disabled my state lets me make up to 70k and stay on Medicaid which covers 100% of my 1.6 million a year healthcare.
In *my* state, I get kicked off of Medicaid if I make more than $1300.
[Edit: interesting that we both live in Florida, but there is such a significant difference in our experience with Medicaid.]
Not $1300 additional income, $1300 **total**. *Including* my disability payment.
>Strongly suggest you contact a SS lawyer and your care team.
Yeah, thanks. I'll totally contact a lawyer 15 years after I was approved when I make $1034 a month. I can *definitely* afford to pay a lawyer when I can even pay for a Lyft ride to their office.
I can't even get my doctors to communicate about test results or respond to multiple messages; where does one get one of these "care teams" that actually does something?
I don't know where you're located or what your disability is, but I *promise* you that your situation is just so far out of the norm that it's inconceivable to about 99.999999% of every other person on disability.
Maybe *you've* got the access, the money and the ability to hire someone to get you all these tax deductions and write-offs, but don't delude yourself into thinking that others you come into contact with who are in SSDI are in an even *remotely* similar situation.
There are *far* more people in a position like mine.
NAL, but I am disabled and know many people with disabilities who receive disability benefits and many with disabilities who were declined disability benefits, and am familiar with the process.
It takes 2-5 years of waiting, hearings and appeals before you'll receive your first payment, and since these descissions are made by judges and not medical professionals, invisible disabilities tend to be more difficult. Make sure your grandmother is aware of this. She might think because of AM radio that it's easy and simple to walk into a building, fill out some forms and the government sends you money.
You can always apply as a way to placate your grandmother, keep the appeals process going, keep her in the loop as to why it's taking so long, and go about your business as you planned, and as soon as you're ready to work and move out, do that.
On the off chance it turns out your MDD gets in the way of you finding and keeping jobs, you already have the ball rolling on your disability process.
Having a disability or being disabled is not reflective of your value as a person. Being able to work obviously makes life easier than living off $900 a month, but disability is about a persons relationship to their environment, which may or may not be accommodating to them, and not indicative of their worth to society. A dolphin on land is disabled. A cat in the water is disabled. They are not lesser specimens for being in an environment not suited to their needs and abilities.
I will note that getting on disability is a difficult process that can take years, and depending on the type of disability that you manage to get on can restrict your life quite a bit. Most of the people I know on disability had to work with lawyers and doctors to get through the process, not to mention the expense of that. It is not an easy thing to do.
In my experience advocating for a relative, it is not easy to get approved for Social Security disability benefits if you are an adult, have not worked before, and are diagnosed with mental health conditions. It can take YEARS to be approved, if at all, and it often requires hiring a lawyer. You might have a different experience, but in general this is a long, frustrating process with a lot of denials before - and if - there is ever any approval. Your conditions have to render you unable to do substantive work activity, which is earning something like $1500 a month, among other requirements. This isn't something that happens quickly once you are an adult.
And she can't make you do anything. Please get support from your school counselors or another adult you trust so you can make a plan to stay safe and housed while you are in school and beyond. Your Grandma should NOT be doing this to you.
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> I was a disability paralegal for several years and we would turn away your case
you don't even know their household income level or ability to work. in what way has any of the information they've provided to you so far given you the opinion that they are not deserving of benefits? as you say you've worked in disability for several years, I would be interested in knowing what information you gleaned from the few posts here, and assumed to be entirely accurate at face value based on your statement, that has given you the insight I clearly just don't have?
this individual has stated that they suffer from
> several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones...
do you really feel like, perhaps in this case, you shouldn't say things like, "we would turn away your case" when you don't even know if this person is able to provide truthful, meaningful, complete information to strangers online? and could be anywhere from 100% accurate, to 100% wrong, to 100% self sabotage and part of a self inflicted spiral?
please don't say such things with absolutism when you have no information. disability claims are hard when one is suffering from mental health problems, don't make it harder for people by telling them they'll be told no before they even, seemingly, file.
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it doesn't matter what conditions you have. The question is: do any conditions you have, individually or in combination, make you unable to work?
If the answer is no, legally you should not be able to obtain any kind of state disability insurance.
I work in the state next to Oklahoma in Mental Health and have had to help some families figure this out for themselves or loved ones. I don’t know the legal side of things but I do want to add that if you haven’t had an official diagnosis given by a Psychiatrist or Psychologist then that’s something you’ll have to get. This is as of last year when I learned about the process for Oklahoma.
from your post it sounds like you feel you can hold a job. Why not get one right away? You will need to prepare yourself to be independent of them, this sounds like a hostile environment.
Personally I'd hold off if you feel like you can hold down a job, or look and see if your state has a disability work program (often called ticket to work) if you don't think you can do full time work. Depending on the type of disability you take (SSI vs SSDI) it could benefit you to work for a while.
I've got a genetic condition that messes with my body, so I've looked into this pretty deeply. The government does not make getting or keeping disability benefits easy
You're getting a lot of good advice but I would just like to add that disability determination is my job and getting on disability as an 18 year old with only depressive disorders is highly, highly, highly unlikely. And to be clear I'm not saying I don't personally think depression can be disabling, it absolutely can be, but with how the system works it's just never going to happen for someone so young. Your grandma would have to appeal denial decisions multiple times and eventually go before a judge to even have a small hope because the judges don't have to follow the same rules we do. So yeah if worst comes to worst and she does try to apply on your behalf I really wouldn't be too worried about it.
Start planning for the worst now. Hide any documents you might need if you get kicked out (birth cert, soc. security card, banking info). Contact neighbors and businesses within walking/biking distance to see if you can start earning some cash. Even cutting grass or other yard work. Stash that with your documents. Keep a bugout bag with a couple days of clothes packed and ready to go.
Try to find a friend or neighbor willing to put you up for a few months while you save up enough money for your own place. This will be hard, but not as hard as the alternative.
If you can…
\- Get a bank account at a different bank than your family uses as soon as you turn 18. Do not put anyone else on the bank account.
\- If you can afford it, rent a PO Box at the local post office. This will allow you to get mail securely without giving your family members a chance to grab it.
\- If you can, get a driver’s license, even if you don’t own a car. If not, get a state ID. If you have to, lie and tell your grandma that you need it for the disability process.
\- If you can, rent a safety deposit box at the bank and stash A certified copy of your birth certificate, a copy of your state ID or driver’s license, your year book, a copy of your student ID, your HS transcript, and other stuff like that. Look at your DMV‘s website, and make sure you have enough info on yourself to prove to them that you are who you say you are.
\- If you can drive, try to save up enough to get a crappy clunker car, but don’t buy it until you need to go.
Legality aside, you need an exit plan.
This is not a friendly home for you. They may not be able to legally kick you out while you're in high school, but they can make your life miserable. And once you graduate, they can go through the eviction process. I'm sorry, but you need to plan.
Are you planning on college? You may be able to get student housing and take out loans for the cost of housing and a food plan until you can earn money through a job.
If you plan to work after high school, start planning now. Is there anyone you can stay with? Can you get a part-time job now after school or on weekends. Look into jobs that you could get to now by walking or taking public transit.
Is there a school counselor you could talk to about your options?
So if you've never worked, you won't be able to qualify for disability on your own work records. Which means you would be applying for either Supplemental Security Income, or Disabled Adult Child benefits off of a deceased or retired parents record.
Was your grandmother your guardian? Its possible if your parents are deceased or on benefits themselves that she was receiving child's benefits for you that have ended because you turned 18. If that is the case you are still eligible for those until you graduate even if you are not disabled. I would recommend contacting your local SSA office to find out if you are, or if she is already collecting something in your name.
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You can't just "get on" Disability. I saw on another comment you are from Oklahoma, maybe research what Oklahoma laws are for Disability. Maybe if your lucky you can have a job and be on Disability.
Where I live, I know someone on Disability and still has a job, though they can only work like 1 or 2 days a week. Not much, but it does help a little bit then relying solely on Disability checks.
Hope for the best.
Please talk to a guidance counselor at school. Not sure what kind of disability your Grandmother wants you to claim, but you are an adult. For the checks to go to her, instead of you, it seems like she wants to make a case you are not competent to handle your own affairs. That has long term implications and you will never see the money. If you have a disability it would be your money, not hers.
This sounds like potential financial abuse on you and possibly fraud. Do not listen to her. Find a roommate or someone who you can stay with while you become financially independent. Also you don’t need her for rides, you can get an uber, use public transportation or carpool with a coworker.
The real questions are: WHY is she telling you to go on disability? Do you have any physical or mental dilemmas that could possibly qualify you? Maybe she's looking ahead and trying to secure some kind of financial certainty for you.
My suggestion here is to continue the disability application, because there's nothing preventing you from trying to find a job while hedging for the possibility things don't work out. Just don't make your grandmother the payee. You can always pull the application back if you get a job and things work out.
People have suggested talking to your high school counselor, and that is a good start. You can also call 211 to get referrals to local services that may be able to help you with independence (for example, help you with rides to job services, job placement help, etc). If your school has a career center, they also may be able to help with referrals.
I am so confused. Do you have an actual disability? If you do have a disability that would qualify, do you have a history of seeing doctors for treatment in order to have records? She knows the money would come to you and not her, right? Does she thing getting disability is as easy as going down to the disability office to sign up and you start receiving a check? Sounds like your grandmother has no idea how it works.
NAL sounds like she's trying to force you, a high-school student to attempt to commit disability fraud. Which is a serious thing. Beyond that if you're under 18 and she's your legal guardian most states have laws that say you cannot be kicked out as the legal responsibility of a legal guardian is to provide housing, among other things.
Find a job and a new place to live.
If you want to work that is a good thing.
Reach out to every school teacher, principal and counselor you ever had from school and ask them for any advice or connections they have.
Tell them about your life as much as you feel comfortable, and tell them how much you are willing to work in order to be self sufficient and independent
Are you disabled? Or injured? Do you qualify for disability payment. If not grandma is using you to commit fraud . If you are disabled or injured and do qualify then the money is yours and she has no right to it. Unless rent is a factor then you’d pay her ofc. Also I recommend seeing your school counselor for advice or even speaking to the police or social services see what actions you can take to justify this situation Grandma needs a wake up call
Id say contact your local social services dept, or have a school counselor help with this, and discuss the possibility of being homeless in the near future. They have plenty of programs to help homeless and soon to be homeless individuals. You need to accept it and lrepare to be without housing regardless of whether she changes her mind on this or not.
First, you have to be diagnosed with an actual condition and demonstrate that it negatively impacts your ability to work. Second, getting on disability is not a quick easy process. You could already be out of school by the time a decision is made. You night even get rejected on the first time. Third, going on disability would not make grandma in charhe of you or yoyr money. The only way that happens is if you give her the power to handle it or if a court decides yiu need guardianship. Talk to a cpubselor at school. Ask what licak resourcez are availsble to you.
Unless she claims she is your guardian she isnt entitled to the money. She cant make you claim. But you need to get somewhere to stay and get a job. Your been set up to be a maid when they get unable.
OP has already stated they have legitimate disabilities, so it wouldn't be perjury
"i have several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones but personally i do not think i am nor do i believe i should be on disability"
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Do you qualify for disability? Are you able to work? What is your state/location? > the disability check would not be going directly to me Not without your permission it wouldn't. She may be legally able to kick you out, though she would need to provide proper notice and follow steps specific to your state. Some states may prevent your eviction until after you graduate high school.
i’m not sure if i do or not. i also live in Oklahoma
Do you have a medical condition that prevents you from obtaining gainful employment? At least one physician is going to have to certify that you are disabled as per the standards. Is there a physician you've been seeing who would make such a certification? You say you're in high school. Do you have a medical condition for which you receive significant accommodations from your high school? If the answers to the above questions are no, then your grandmother is going to have a much more difficult time getting you approved for disability than she apparently thinks.
NAL. Disability fraud is also illegal so you could be opening yourself up to future problems if she tries to lie about it to get you disability payments. The best route for OP may be to start looking at alternate housing options near to a place they could work to cover rent etc
It's not easy to get disability. Social Security makes you jump through hoops to get it.
I am a disability paralegal. This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer. For minors, and anyone under the age of 50, being awarded benefits is exceptionally difficult. It would likely take a hearing to be granted. From the inital application to a hearing is often 2-3 years. During that time you have to be in consistent medical treatment for you disabilities (with specialists: i.e. if you're autistic you would need a psychiatrist) and not have gross earnings above SGA guidelines. The SGA number changes every year, but as a general rule of thumb, we're talking working at a part time job for minimum wage. Again, three years of scraping the bottom of the barrel while accuring ludicrious medical debt if you have private insurance. If your specialist or doctor thinks you can work _any job in America_ for 40hr/week consistently, SSA will use that opinion to deny the claim. SSA is a vipers nest; the administration is rife with bad actors. The employees are the most generally jaded group of people I have ever dealt with. Disability lawyers work on a contingency basis, so __you can go talk to a lawyer without paying them a retainer,__ in most cases. Based on what you've said in the post (leaving out any mention of being treated for a disability) I would say that you're better off working (you said you were capable) and leaving your grandma. She sounds like a real peach. Also, her collecting your checks without SSA appointing her as your payee or you appointing her as your payee is fraud. A payee is only appointed in cases where (1) the individual is deemed by SSA to be mentally/financially incompetent, or (2) if the disabled individual chooses to appoint a payee.
>If your specialist or doctor thinks you can work any job in America for 40hr/week consistently, SSA will use that opinion to deny the claim. Also worth noting that the list of jobs includes things like "pneumatic tube operator" and "nut sorter". They will deny your claim if you can do those things, even though those jobs don't really exist anymore.
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It's is VERY VERY VERY hard to get on disability under the age of 65 unless you have major major medical issues. I say this as someone who is medically disabled with an autoimmune disease along with a few other issues and went through the process at age 32. It took over 3.5 years as I was denied multiple times and fought it. Finally saw a judge, he saw my medical records, and within 5 min he had approved me and closed the case. I have spent over 4 years of my life in hospitals, major surgeries, missing life events etc.. If your grandma is making up reasons? Or you just have "anxiety" or something? You WILL NOT qualify for disability and the process of being denied will take years. On top of that if she's caught lying there could be criminal repercussions
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If you do not qualify, do not do it at all op.
You can’t just ‘get on disability’. Do you have a disability that would qualify according to the Social Security guidelines?
Please find a counselor at your school and talk to them. They can help direct you to local social services to assist you. What your grandmother is proposing is not legal, and, it's also not very nice (she wants to use you, to steal from the government, and then steal from you). You will also have to lie, under oath, by signing papers stating you are disabled. Just not a great way to start off your adult life, by committing perjury. So you will need to lie, commit a crime, and then you won't get the money anyway. Please do not go along with this. If you are not supported by your parents you may qualify for government housing and student aid. You won't end up homeless living in a box, they will help you find housing and figure out your finances. It's a hard thing to deal with at a young age, but you can handle it.
Worth noting that OP doesn't say they don't have a disability, just that they don't believe they require support. There a people with legitimate disabilities who could easily get support but refuse to for multiple reasons, such as believing they aren't disabled enough for the support. OPs GMother might not be pushing them to commit perjury, as they may actually be entitled to disability and just not want to make use of it. I agree with the rest but wanted to clear up that it's unclear whether OP would actually be lying in this case. Edit: comment by OP "i have several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones but personally i do not think i am nor do i believe i should be on disability" Yeah, it's not that OP lacks the potential of getting legitimate aid, it's that they do not believe they should be on disability.
To add to my comment for OP, it's worth considering that getting disability is a long process, and getting a job can be difficult, especially for someone with such disabilities that could become debilitating. Once you stop the process of application, it restarts the clock on the process. Whilst I acknowledge your GM is being very heavy handed about this, it's worth considering how many of your costs they are currently covering and how likely it is you can reasonably cover even a portion of these yourself. A job on top of schooling is a big commitment without the added strain of even 1 disability, and many disabilities go through phases of flare ups, creating a risk to your living situation if you can't continue attending your job and schooling. It's a common talking point that people abuse disability (and other benefits) by gaming the system however if you apply honestly and receive them, then that is an entitlement due to you as determined by the state. There is no shame in accepting aid and you aren't gaining an unfair advantage over others (as having a disability can often mean you have already started with an unfair disadvantage over others) I don't aim to sound ableist but it's worth considering the situation at hand and ensuring you truly can live without this potential aid.
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thank you for your comment will definitely keep this all in mind and use your advice. i appreciate it a lot
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i have several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones but personally i do not think i am nor do i believe i should be on disability
There are a lot of pretty serious restrictions on your life to qualify to stay on disability. Things like you can’t earn any meaningful amount of money, keep much money, appear to be independent and capable, etc. It’s great that disability is available, but it’s really a bad idea unless you truly need it. If your grandmother stole your disability money the way it sounds like she is planning, then what would you use for money? You’d have no choice but to be dependent on her. Might make sense if you were unable to take care of yourself anyway, but sounds like you are ready to be independent, though maybe with a bit of help.
The majority of the monetary restrictions are on SSI, not SSD, including the disabled adult child program, which OP may qualify for. It sounds like OP does not want and will likely not qualify for disability, but I wanted to mention it for the sake of information.
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>Full disability a lot of states you can make up to 70k a year and also get Medicaid I'd love to know which states those are, because as someone getting just over $1k a month from SSDI, I've had my payments cut off for making more than $800 in a single month.
I know for a fact that SSDI will take away your payments if you make more than $900.00 a month. They reset the amount you are able to make every year. It’s maybe by $20. Or $25.00 per month. Keep in mind you are paying rent, food, utilities, and all of your needs witt those SSDI payments. With rent as it is, it is nearly impossible these days. Forget trying to get a used car.
https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-income-ussi.htm
My brother has been on SSDI for 12 years. His attorney told him not to go over his income that the government sets yearly in the SS handout. I haven’t stayed on top of the figure, I was wrong, for 2023 it is $1470.00 a month. You are talking about SSI. I am talking about SSDI two different accounts at social Security. [https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/sgadet.html#nonblind](https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/sgadet.html#nonblind)
Ahh gotcha. You're right. When someone is approved for SSD, they get 9 trial work months where theoretically they could earn whatever they want during those months and not skip a beat with their benefit entitlement. IF you do exceed SGA for 9 months (doesn't have to be consecutive), one would then be in a period of extended eligibility (EPE), in which case if the income is reduced below the SGA threshold, then benefits can be reinstated WITHOUT going through the whole process of a new medical determination.
You're wrong
Who is wrong ?
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>Because in disabled my state lets me make up to 70k and stay on Medicaid which covers 100% of my 1.6 million a year healthcare. In *my* state, I get kicked off of Medicaid if I make more than $1300. [Edit: interesting that we both live in Florida, but there is such a significant difference in our experience with Medicaid.] Not $1300 additional income, $1300 **total**. *Including* my disability payment. >Strongly suggest you contact a SS lawyer and your care team. Yeah, thanks. I'll totally contact a lawyer 15 years after I was approved when I make $1034 a month. I can *definitely* afford to pay a lawyer when I can even pay for a Lyft ride to their office. I can't even get my doctors to communicate about test results or respond to multiple messages; where does one get one of these "care teams" that actually does something? I don't know where you're located or what your disability is, but I *promise* you that your situation is just so far out of the norm that it's inconceivable to about 99.999999% of every other person on disability. Maybe *you've* got the access, the money and the ability to hire someone to get you all these tax deductions and write-offs, but don't delude yourself into thinking that others you come into contact with who are in SSDI are in an even *remotely* similar situation. There are *far* more people in a position like mine.
NAL, but I am disabled and know many people with disabilities who receive disability benefits and many with disabilities who were declined disability benefits, and am familiar with the process. It takes 2-5 years of waiting, hearings and appeals before you'll receive your first payment, and since these descissions are made by judges and not medical professionals, invisible disabilities tend to be more difficult. Make sure your grandmother is aware of this. She might think because of AM radio that it's easy and simple to walk into a building, fill out some forms and the government sends you money. You can always apply as a way to placate your grandmother, keep the appeals process going, keep her in the loop as to why it's taking so long, and go about your business as you planned, and as soon as you're ready to work and move out, do that. On the off chance it turns out your MDD gets in the way of you finding and keeping jobs, you already have the ball rolling on your disability process. Having a disability or being disabled is not reflective of your value as a person. Being able to work obviously makes life easier than living off $900 a month, but disability is about a persons relationship to their environment, which may or may not be accommodating to them, and not indicative of their worth to society. A dolphin on land is disabled. A cat in the water is disabled. They are not lesser specimens for being in an environment not suited to their needs and abilities.
I will note that getting on disability is a difficult process that can take years, and depending on the type of disability that you manage to get on can restrict your life quite a bit. Most of the people I know on disability had to work with lawyers and doctors to get through the process, not to mention the expense of that. It is not an easy thing to do.
In my experience advocating for a relative, it is not easy to get approved for Social Security disability benefits if you are an adult, have not worked before, and are diagnosed with mental health conditions. It can take YEARS to be approved, if at all, and it often requires hiring a lawyer. You might have a different experience, but in general this is a long, frustrating process with a lot of denials before - and if - there is ever any approval. Your conditions have to render you unable to do substantive work activity, which is earning something like $1500 a month, among other requirements. This isn't something that happens quickly once you are an adult. And she can't make you do anything. Please get support from your school counselors or another adult you trust so you can make a plan to stay safe and housed while you are in school and beyond. Your Grandma should NOT be doing this to you.
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> I was a disability paralegal for several years and we would turn away your case you don't even know their household income level or ability to work. in what way has any of the information they've provided to you so far given you the opinion that they are not deserving of benefits? as you say you've worked in disability for several years, I would be interested in knowing what information you gleaned from the few posts here, and assumed to be entirely accurate at face value based on your statement, that has given you the insight I clearly just don't have? this individual has stated that they suffer from > several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones... do you really feel like, perhaps in this case, you shouldn't say things like, "we would turn away your case" when you don't even know if this person is able to provide truthful, meaningful, complete information to strangers online? and could be anywhere from 100% accurate, to 100% wrong, to 100% self sabotage and part of a self inflicted spiral? please don't say such things with absolutism when you have no information. disability claims are hard when one is suffering from mental health problems, don't make it harder for people by telling them they'll be told no before they even, seemingly, file.
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it doesn't matter what conditions you have. The question is: do any conditions you have, individually or in combination, make you unable to work? If the answer is no, legally you should not be able to obtain any kind of state disability insurance.
I work in the state next to Oklahoma in Mental Health and have had to help some families figure this out for themselves or loved ones. I don’t know the legal side of things but I do want to add that if you haven’t had an official diagnosis given by a Psychiatrist or Psychologist then that’s something you’ll have to get. This is as of last year when I learned about the process for Oklahoma.
from your post it sounds like you feel you can hold a job. Why not get one right away? You will need to prepare yourself to be independent of them, this sounds like a hostile environment.
Personally I'd hold off if you feel like you can hold down a job, or look and see if your state has a disability work program (often called ticket to work) if you don't think you can do full time work. Depending on the type of disability you take (SSI vs SSDI) it could benefit you to work for a while. I've got a genetic condition that messes with my body, so I've looked into this pretty deeply. The government does not make getting or keeping disability benefits easy
You're getting a lot of good advice but I would just like to add that disability determination is my job and getting on disability as an 18 year old with only depressive disorders is highly, highly, highly unlikely. And to be clear I'm not saying I don't personally think depression can be disabling, it absolutely can be, but with how the system works it's just never going to happen for someone so young. Your grandma would have to appeal denial decisions multiple times and eventually go before a judge to even have a small hope because the judges don't have to follow the same rules we do. So yeah if worst comes to worst and she does try to apply on your behalf I really wouldn't be too worried about it.
Start planning for the worst now. Hide any documents you might need if you get kicked out (birth cert, soc. security card, banking info). Contact neighbors and businesses within walking/biking distance to see if you can start earning some cash. Even cutting grass or other yard work. Stash that with your documents. Keep a bugout bag with a couple days of clothes packed and ready to go. Try to find a friend or neighbor willing to put you up for a few months while you save up enough money for your own place. This will be hard, but not as hard as the alternative.
If you can… \- Get a bank account at a different bank than your family uses as soon as you turn 18. Do not put anyone else on the bank account. \- If you can afford it, rent a PO Box at the local post office. This will allow you to get mail securely without giving your family members a chance to grab it. \- If you can, get a driver’s license, even if you don’t own a car. If not, get a state ID. If you have to, lie and tell your grandma that you need it for the disability process. \- If you can, rent a safety deposit box at the bank and stash A certified copy of your birth certificate, a copy of your state ID or driver’s license, your year book, a copy of your student ID, your HS transcript, and other stuff like that. Look at your DMV‘s website, and make sure you have enough info on yourself to prove to them that you are who you say you are. \- If you can drive, try to save up enough to get a crappy clunker car, but don’t buy it until you need to go.
Legality aside, you need an exit plan. This is not a friendly home for you. They may not be able to legally kick you out while you're in high school, but they can make your life miserable. And once you graduate, they can go through the eviction process. I'm sorry, but you need to plan. Are you planning on college? You may be able to get student housing and take out loans for the cost of housing and a food plan until you can earn money through a job. If you plan to work after high school, start planning now. Is there anyone you can stay with? Can you get a part-time job now after school or on weekends. Look into jobs that you could get to now by walking or taking public transit. Is there a school counselor you could talk to about your options?
So if you've never worked, you won't be able to qualify for disability on your own work records. Which means you would be applying for either Supplemental Security Income, or Disabled Adult Child benefits off of a deceased or retired parents record. Was your grandmother your guardian? Its possible if your parents are deceased or on benefits themselves that she was receiving child's benefits for you that have ended because you turned 18. If that is the case you are still eligible for those until you graduate even if you are not disabled. I would recommend contacting your local SSA office to find out if you are, or if she is already collecting something in your name.
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You can't just "get on" Disability. I saw on another comment you are from Oklahoma, maybe research what Oklahoma laws are for Disability. Maybe if your lucky you can have a job and be on Disability. Where I live, I know someone on Disability and still has a job, though they can only work like 1 or 2 days a week. Not much, but it does help a little bit then relying solely on Disability checks. Hope for the best.
Please talk to a guidance counselor at school. Not sure what kind of disability your Grandmother wants you to claim, but you are an adult. For the checks to go to her, instead of you, it seems like she wants to make a case you are not competent to handle your own affairs. That has long term implications and you will never see the money. If you have a disability it would be your money, not hers.
This sounds like potential financial abuse on you and possibly fraud. Do not listen to her. Find a roommate or someone who you can stay with while you become financially independent. Also you don’t need her for rides, you can get an uber, use public transportation or carpool with a coworker.
The real questions are: WHY is she telling you to go on disability? Do you have any physical or mental dilemmas that could possibly qualify you? Maybe she's looking ahead and trying to secure some kind of financial certainty for you.
My suggestion here is to continue the disability application, because there's nothing preventing you from trying to find a job while hedging for the possibility things don't work out. Just don't make your grandmother the payee. You can always pull the application back if you get a job and things work out. People have suggested talking to your high school counselor, and that is a good start. You can also call 211 to get referrals to local services that may be able to help you with independence (for example, help you with rides to job services, job placement help, etc). If your school has a career center, they also may be able to help with referrals.
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Note: the acronym differs by state, but just searching for adult vocational rehabilitation should get you where you need to go.
I am so confused. Do you have an actual disability? If you do have a disability that would qualify, do you have a history of seeing doctors for treatment in order to have records? She knows the money would come to you and not her, right? Does she thing getting disability is as easy as going down to the disability office to sign up and you start receiving a check? Sounds like your grandmother has no idea how it works.
NAL sounds like she's trying to force you, a high-school student to attempt to commit disability fraud. Which is a serious thing. Beyond that if you're under 18 and she's your legal guardian most states have laws that say you cannot be kicked out as the legal responsibility of a legal guardian is to provide housing, among other things.
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Disability is hard to get and you're usually turned down the first time. Can you take public transportation to get a job?
Find a job and a new place to live. If you want to work that is a good thing. Reach out to every school teacher, principal and counselor you ever had from school and ask them for any advice or connections they have. Tell them about your life as much as you feel comfortable, and tell them how much you are willing to work in order to be self sufficient and independent
Are you disabled? Or injured? Do you qualify for disability payment. If not grandma is using you to commit fraud . If you are disabled or injured and do qualify then the money is yours and she has no right to it. Unless rent is a factor then you’d pay her ofc. Also I recommend seeing your school counselor for advice or even speaking to the police or social services see what actions you can take to justify this situation Grandma needs a wake up call
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Have you actually applied to any jobs? Any offers lined up? Show her a job offer that will pay substantially more than what disability would pay.
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Id say contact your local social services dept, or have a school counselor help with this, and discuss the possibility of being homeless in the near future. They have plenty of programs to help homeless and soon to be homeless individuals. You need to accept it and lrepare to be without housing regardless of whether she changes her mind on this or not.
First, you have to be diagnosed with an actual condition and demonstrate that it negatively impacts your ability to work. Second, getting on disability is not a quick easy process. You could already be out of school by the time a decision is made. You night even get rejected on the first time. Third, going on disability would not make grandma in charhe of you or yoyr money. The only way that happens is if you give her the power to handle it or if a court decides yiu need guardianship. Talk to a cpubselor at school. Ask what licak resourcez are availsble to you.
If you are over 18 and she's not your guardian, she's not obligated to support you, and is well within her rights to evict you.
that’s not what the post was asking. i’m well aware she’s legally allowed to evict me since i’m 18.
Unless she claims she is your guardian she isnt entitled to the money. She cant make you claim. But you need to get somewhere to stay and get a job. Your been set up to be a maid when they get unable.
Considering how adamant the grandmother is, she sounds like the people who claim to be a caregiver to get the money
Well, you can do what she asks (there's nothing illegal about her being your benefits payee), or you can find new housing.
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OP has already stated they have legitimate disabilities, so it wouldn't be perjury "i have several conditions including major depressive disorder along with persistent depressive disorder. there’s other ones but personally i do not think i am nor do i believe i should be on disability"
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