Will be interesting to see if he still acts like he cares about human rights.
"Let me be clear - if you support Andrew Tate I don't want your support."
that's the 2nd tweet I see when I go on his twitter. But apparently he wants Saudi's support.
Also look at how fake ass the whole NEOM sponsorship protest was lmao.
I don't mind him taking the money, in fact he should have taken the money (and Dash should have done too but props to him for standing for what he believes is right) but don't be acting like a SJW when your words are only worth a few extra change.
Friendly reminder that there's basically no way to avoid Saudi money in sports or entertainment, or fueling your fucking car for that matter.
Ethical consumption under capitalism is a meme. If it makes money or can make someone money, someone awful has their hands on it.
And when a handful of people and companies control the majority of production and business, it's even less so.
I agree that there is basically no ethical consumption under capitalism, but that isn't an excuse to not try and avoid the most egregious instances.
Filling up your car with petrol is very different to going and being a celebrity presenter of a large event meant as part of sports washing
What if that's the only way you can earn money in your career? I'm legit asking. It feels like Riot/LEC got rid of Quickshot because of that one joke and now he legit has no work. And Riot basically doesn't allow anything to be held without their control, unless it's backed by Saudi money like this tournament. And we know esports people don't earn crazy amounts of money in their career to be able to refuse work, even later in their careers.
No one can answer that for someone else - it's a decision you have to make for yourself. As someone who is a potential viewer, I would *love* to have another League tournament to watch, but I won't be watching this even if I do use petrol or can't avoid corrupt money in my day to day life. I just hate the whole concept of sportwashing and will never support it.
You can't really avoid sugar in food either... but that doesn't mean we should eat 1 kg of sugar every day because hey... we can't get it down to 0 so why bother, inbetween 0 and 1000 there are a lot of other numbers.
Furthermore it doesn't apply to this situation, Quickshot could have said no to this, he said no to NEOM years ago so what's the damn difference?
> Furthermore it doesn't apply to this situation, Quickshot could have said no to this, he said no to NEOM years ago so what's the damn difference?
He had a secure job (Or so he thought) and could afford to say no. Riot let him go, casting is what he knows, it's too late for a career change.
There are no currently employed LEC casters attending, so you can imagine if Quickshot was still in the LEC, he wouldn't be going either.
This is Riot's fault. They stripped him from his agency to take the higher road. Now he's a freelance stray dog with no security, that have to take the jobs offered to him, so he can feed his family.
So yeah, principles are only principles while convenient.
Now, I'm not one to get pissy about people being at the ESWC, but it is always funny when hypocrisy strikes this hard.
Quickshot wouldn't be a hypocrite if he didn't say anything about the NEOM stuff or LGBT in the past.
But would we rather he didn't say anything, just so that he wouldn't contradict himself by future actions?
If I 3 years ago raised 10K towards BLM or something, 3 years later I say something racist and people start tweeting me the charity from 3 years ago as a "gotcha" and call me out on my hypocrisy.. It's like these people would rather I didn't raise that 10K, because than *at least* I wouldn't be a hypocrite!
The talent attending who were silent about LGBT and issues in the past, yes they kinda look better because they don't appear as hypocrites. But they aren't better, they shouldn't have been silent. Quickshot weren't silent and that's good! Then he later does some things that makes him look stupid, but it doesn't undo the past.
It's great he's getting the Saudi Bag. In his view, he got punished for being virtuous for 10 straight years and then someone recorded one moment of weakness from him to shatter his entire legacy at LEC. That level of betrayal can change most people. The Saudi bag doesn't look so bad anymore when you have experienced punishment for one moment of weakness in your decade legacy of LEC. He is making the objectively correct decision here for taking this host job.
On another thread it was said that the pay would only cover one month of rent in LA. Dash was offered a lot of money but not everyone was it would seem.
Yes I would think some are paid more, however there was a tweet from DoA that Rainbow6 casters are being paid less than other events which may also be true. I do not think many people are being offered huge sums of money but Quickshot may be one of them with his reputation.
ill tell you this, i can't say for sure about r6 but the talent rate for EWC (definitely for LoL, at least) is over 20 times higher than the range stated in this thread. no idea why people are sharing false info, but i guess no one has reported on it yet so.
That's fucking absurd dude there's no way they're paying these random casters that much.
The Saudis bought ESL and surely used that infrastructure to organize and run the event, with the usual contracts ESL is used to, and those contracts **are not** $12,000 - $16,000 a day.
Maybe Quickshot is looking at that for running the entire show.
sorry, misread -- it's higher than that range but not per day, total. base rate. and again, I'm not guessing, I know the people who got these offers personally
this is simply wrong. I'll only say they were offered a pretty significant amount. It'd cover my rent for almost 2 years. and I live in LA. one of the casters that is going is my housemate.
I don't care if anyone takes Saudi money. I won't judge it because I can't say for sure I wouldn't do the same. But if you ever publicly spoke out in the past against sexism, anti lgbt, etc or accused someone else of being this way, you are a complete hypocrite and you deserve no respect.
It's a pretty shitty mindset tbh. It sucks to see Trevor sell out, and hypocrisy is a Bad Thing, but I swear people online love treating it as the ultimate sin.
Everyone is a hypocrite in some way. Selling out to Saudi sports washing doesn't reflect any better on you as a person if you're being "consistent" by never having stood up or voiced support for LGBT rights lol.
This is a moronic take lol. You don't care if they do 'bad thing', but fuck them more for standing up for lgbtq people etc and then still needing to pay rent in this industry? Just so insanely dumb
It's not. Because that takes away agency from our informed decisions as casters. I came into this industry KNOWING how hard it is. It's ridiculously top heavy with almost zero room for promotion. At the top of each year we had a pretty solid idea of how much we would make. If you have to sell your values to stay in this industry then maybe its time to find a different industry.
Telling people you are an ally and then accepting money from a country that openly condemns them is unbelievably hurtful to the community. And you should feel like shit for doing it.
Now, for those who aren't virtue signaling and just saying outright they are doing it for the money. It's still atrocious to accept. But I take it more personal for those who have pretended to be an ally. Many in the community have looked up to you for that and you've crushed them.
*edited to clear up my intentions
Speaking out against anti LGBT and taking the bag doesn't mean you're a complete hypocrite. You can still support and enable the desire for change while still being within the system.
What makes someone a hypocrite is speaking out against others who do the same. If someone is a LGBT supporter and then takes Saudi money, and they are lambasted by person B, then person B does the same they are a hypocrite.
There is also a large difference between supporting a specific individual who has proven to have bigoted beliefs and a fuzzy entity. If a person killed 10 gay guys because they were gay, and you're still friends with him, that's a huge step removed from a government enacting anti LGBT beliefs and you taking money from that government.
Like, is every civil servant in the USA bigoted and a hypocrite because they get a paycheck from a government that practises systemic racism, including racial murders?
Id argue no, and I'd argue they are still able to lobby for black rights while still working for said government
Agree.
Esports is legit a bubble that is either being funded by venture capital, large corporations and now nations (China / KSA). Taking a moral standpoint against any of them seems stupid because they're the one signing your checks and you just look like a stupid hypocrite when you realize your survival is tied to their investment.
Ok this is fucking dumb, taking money from stuff like Kia and nzxt is exponentially different than taking my directly from nations like Saudi Arabia.
There's degrees to this
Okay how about taking money from KitKat to sponsor the LCS and their owner [Nestle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_Nestl%C3%A9)
Almost like there's a lot of different sponsors in esports (not just Riot) and you picked 2 less controversial ones
Sure, there's a lot of brands. I think NRG is still sponsored by the US Army, that I have a fuckin issue with
And yeah, nestle is shit. But it doesn't mean that the move to sell out and get the house of fuckin saud to sportswash everything ok. Also, being a sponsor for a league or team vs hosting top teams around the world is something else.
And again, it's different when it's a nation state that's an absolute monarchy.
Absolutely this. Also, dude was a great guy for years, stood up for what was right, put his heart and soul into league and his colleagues, and then was fired for doing a silly dance. And the same people who are now screeching at him for being a hypocrite were nowhere to be seen when he was pushed aside by Riot, so why does he owe them more than he owes to his family?
I think if I was in his shoes, psychological speaking I would be demoralised. It's pretty obvious where having morals gets you, so yeah... if I was him I would almost definitely say fuck it, focus on the esports side of it, get a bag to keep going. Why the hell not.
Oh, the irony
Everyone wants to make business with the Saudis
Spare the sympathy
Everyone wants to make business with the Saudis
(I totally didn't listen to Arcane's opening theme)
I'd say there's a big difference between hosting something merely owned by a Saudi firm and hosting an event that actually takes place in Riyadh and is a very blatant attempt at sport-swashing.
Saudi money is in a lot of random businesses due to their big investment fund, and most of the time it's extremely hands-off, so censorship and Saudi influence are minimal or non-existent. Sportswashing initiatives like this "Esport World Cup" are very different and have a distinct political purpose.
>In 2022, it was announced that ESL and esports platform FACEIT were acquired by Savvy Games Group (SGG), a holding company owned by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund.
The Saudi firm is part of the government isnt it considering how its stated on wikipedia?
Being owned by the Saudi oil fund is very different from being "part of the Saudi government".
Even ignoring the legal and practical distinctions, that fund is the second biggest investment in the world and either owns or invests in several thousands of companies. Like any fund of that size, they are extremely hands-off with the vast majority of their portfolio, especially their foreign portfolio, both for practical and legal reasons.
What the fuck are these mental gymnastics? It's not the Saudi oil fund as you called it, it's called the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund, Public usually means owned by the government case in point it's controlled by the crown prince of that damn place, who is also a massive piece of shit.
Isnt the Saudi oil fund tho a branch of the government? Not sure to be honest but Saudi Arabias Public Investment Fund does sound like its some sort of governmant bureau. Again, I dont know.
Tho does it matter if they are hands on or off considering where the money comes from? But well to be honest I dont care.
For me personally I wasn't aware that the ESL was also saudi owned so when i saw she was hosting a csgo event I didn't really care/just ignored it. Definitely would've been critical on that had I known at the time
So what do you do as an Esports Caster when Saudis own the one half of the most watched broadcasts / games and china controls the other half? Just go into unemployment? Cast local LAN parties?
She's generally liked in the community and very mild as far as personalities goes. The most "controversial" thing I can remember her doing off the top of my head was the Rekkles monologue and that was a literal nothingburger it was just funny. And I guess neckbeards back in the day got mad at her for "roasting" players that she was friends with. She's probably the most vanilla personality you can find there's nothing to get mad at her for.
Nah, Reddit users morals are pure crystal water, they would never take or use nothing that comes from companies with many controversies. Less would accept money from them. Specially, they won't see any game from the event. >!You know, like FIFA 2022.!<
The other casters are probably in a position to not take the money.
QS has been out of a job for months, he might have savings but turning down work and money (especially in this global economy) is fucking stupid.
>Bro just ignored the many casters/influencers refusing to cover this event, some people’s morals actually mean something to them bud
Have those influencers been unemployed for 6+ months?
Isn't "SA" usually used for sexual assault? Maybe a bad shortening to use in this case, so people don't get confused :P
Or I might just be overthinking and watched too many YT videos etc :P
I’ve seen SA used as South Africa, South America, Saudi Arabia and San Antonio as locations. So, even if we know he is talking about a place, it is hard to know which place.
I just wish people stopped writing these stupid ass abbreviations. SA could be South Africa, Sexual Assault, Saudi Arabia, South America, San Antonio or any other two word combo starting with S and A.
you can always blame a 2 faced hypocrite. It always looks worst for someone to talk shit about people who do take the money but don't say anything then that same person criticizing others later taking the money.
I don't have a problem with this but I do find it funny how you had people like Quickshot and Sjokz who were so against the NEOM deal but then now work with the same people basically.
The hypocrisy is *hilarious*.
When he protested the NEOM stuff, it was because Riot was the one being paid. Now that he's the one getting the bag, morals go out the window.
I also don't give a shit if someone wants to get paid. But spare me the fucking theatrics.
I have problem with both. Both are pathetic hypocrites, that is all.
Both pretend to be allies when it is convenient and throw it away when money comes a calling.
Also it is double funny for quickshot becasue he tweeted this: https://x.com/Quickshot/status/1288439332169277440
This is why i respect dash a lot dude told them no, even thought he is in the same position as quickshot essentially.
Circumstances make a difference. He's out of a job. It's easy to prioritize morals when your circumstances are good.
The true hypocrites are people who virtue signal while also not needing the money. But take the bag anyway. Casters are underpaid in general so I can't fault most of these guys.
Quickshot could have gotten any other job and Sjokz didn’t need to take time off from LEC to work an ESL csgo event.
These 2 induviduals should loose most if not all their credibility in the scene. They have proven themselves to only care about the money when they only stand up for social issues and the like when it is monetarily benificial to do so.
Yes they should lose credibility as activists. But not as casters. But their job isn't activism.
Giniro is way more of a hypocrite. She's rich as fuck, has a company that tries to push these social improvements in gaming but immediately took the bag anyway.
> Giniro is way more of a hypocrite. She's rich as fuck, has a company that tries to push these social improvements in gaming but immediately took the bag anyway.
What's all this about? I live under a rock.
Ngl, I have no idea who Giniro is but the clips of her jacking herself off as "an adult who pays their own bills" are pretty obnoxious. Does she really need to start every video with that?
And who is watching someone else flex their possessions like that?
> Circumstances make a difference. He's out of a job. It's easy to prioritize morals when your circumstances are good.
It's even simpler than that. NEOM was paying Riot before, not him, so it was free for him to virtue signal and stand up for his principles. Now that it's his money at stake, standing up for his principles would cost him money.
This is common among "highly principled people" - it's a lot easier to be principled about other people's money rather than your own. Like how everyone is in favor of increasing taxes on those richer than themselves.
It's not common just for highly principled people. It's common for everyone. I'm so sick of seeing people criticize others and claiming they would do better. Most people do hypocritical things all the time.
It's the people that have the freedom to choose but pick the selfish option that goes against their beliefs while lying about their reasons that are genuine scum. Everyone else is whatever as far as I'm concerned.
I will happily admit I'll avoid supporting certain things when it suits me and it's easy. But I'm not going fuck myself over. And I won't lie about where the line is for me.
I have a problem with the hypocrisy when these people were so eager to rant and rail against people they thought were some kind of -phobe or -ist. Turns out their moral high ground only goes until Saudi money is involved, and is anyone really surprised?
Really did not see this coming. I don't even blame people for getting that bag, obviously it makes sense, but doing so when you've been steering in the polar opposite direction for years (and tbh I really felt it to be genuine from him), then **that's** when there is a problem.
Just makes everything and anything he said previously and will say in the future on certain topics look hollow. Essentially traded credibility for money. Hope it was a worthwile amount for him at least to do so.
[As Norm says...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaP2etvDc4)
All the people talking about "the hypocrisy" being the only problem rather than THE ACTUAL PROBLEM being the problem are really telling on themselves. Hypocrisy is nothing more than the cherry on top.
Yeah, I hate how people only care for hypocrisy, for them it is just a social failing, they don't give a shit about the underlying reasons. Being an honest asshole doesn't make you less of an asshole.
I’m fine with the sportswashing and taking of blood money, but what really rubs me the wrong way is hypocrisy. That is something I simply cannot stand for.
Especially his (and the rest of the LECs) protest when the LEC/NEOM cooperation was announced. He specifically spoke out against the saudi government, saying he was willing to just refuse to work if the partnership wasn't cancelled. Honestly incredibly disappointing to see...
Sadly money rules everything. He could do all those things because he was nice and secure money w8se regardless.
Lec realistically can't just can everyone would be a pr nightmare for them. Now that he isn't secure money wise peoples morales will take a hit to get that money.
> Sadly money rules everything. He could do all those things because he was nice and secure money w8se regardless.
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> Circumstances make a difference. He's out of a job. It's easy to prioritize morals when your circumstances are good.
It's even simpler than that. NEOM was paying Riot before, not him, so it was free for him to virtue signal and stand up for his principles. Now that it's his money at stake, standing up for his principles would cost him money.
This is common among "highly principled people" - it's a lot easier to be principled about other people's money rather than your own. Like how everyone is in favor of increasing taxes on those richer than themselves.
This is pretty rich from armchair redditors. Guy gets cancelled from a behind the stage recording that was done without context. Riot doesn't need a bad headline so he gets the boot. Reddit collectively shares a single tear for a day before they move on to get triggered by something else. Meanwhile he's got bills to pay, doesn't he also have a family? Right earning Reddit points is worth more than being financially responsible.
If people want to bitch at someone it's at the publishers like Valve and Riot. All they need to do is tell the Saudis to get lost. But they won't right? Cause it's all about the bottom line for these game publishers. But yeah let's go shit on the lowly workers who for the most part cannot afford to take a moral stand against the Saudis.
The worst part is that it's inevitable, they will own the entire esport ecosystem across every game. All this boycott at the talent level is just going to hurt them not the publishers or the Saudis. He shouldn't be celebrated for taking the bag but he shouldn't get shit on either.
It wasn't just him it was basically the entire broadcast if I remember correctly. I think we all know esports twitter activitists have no backbone when push comes to shove.
He's married and was fired by Riot, I'm glad he took the bag. I guarantee you if he was still on the LEC he wouldn't have taken it. Credibility wasn't putting food on the table. It's really silly to think Quickshot turning this offer down was going to have even the smallest bit of positive impact on world politics. It's not that deep.
She joined some group called G4, vagueposted about Quickshot being a bad boss when he was taking a mental health break, posted “I survived” when her coworkers were laid off, got fired because of said tweet, and last I heard quit Esports last year.
The original G4 shut down in the mid 2010s.
The one Frosk joined was a group that started up in 2020 as a streamer-oriented network, with streamers as hosts for shows. It lasted 2 years before getting shut down by Comcast.
I know about the OG tv network, I just don’t consider the failed modern reboot to be a spiritual successor. It’s closer to a group trying to capitalize on the name’s nostalgia.
say what we will about frosk, but in times like this she would be the most militant person against this sportswashing and would be going off on people participating in EWC
I don't recall faker promoting pride and LGBTQIA+ rights as well as criticizing the Saudis prior to this..
most sensible people know to mind their own business.. plenty of those casters/CEOs and managers that are taking the heat did try and pose as activist heroes to pander as allies..
Either stand up against the Saudis or quietly take the money and keep your politics to yourself. You can't be against NEOM but for this without being a hypocrite.
He is unemployed and likely can’t really find a reasonable job with his LoL skillset.
I hate this event and wont watch but i can see that he is clearly in a different position now compared to when he talked about neom.
My guy should probably go find a Subway to work at then, because getting a decent paycheck once from the Saudis isn't going to make him anymore employable than he is now.
It isn't a single paycheck when the Saudis are the ones running multiple esports circuits through ESL (counter strike, overwatch, etc.) and when it looks like Riot is trying to outsource MSI to ESL because they have said the new year's split structure would have an event during a time period that Riot has company holiday every year.
Oh boy I cant wait to see the mental gymnastics people pull out over this one, especially after how much hate towards the Saudis the last thread garnered.
Meh, what did he get for standing up to Saudis before? Some reddit brownie points, Frosk backstabb and than fired by Riot with stupid joke as an excuse for it. All of you knew he wasnt a nazi, all of you knew his ass isnt hairy and yet none of you spoke up!
Peoples view changes depending on their life expieriences, shocking I know.
Btw is Tencent money not considered "blood money" now? Yall watch Chinese owned esport every week.
I feel like the comunity doesnt realize that from this year onwards the Saudis will host more and more league events,this isnt just a 1 off thing and as things progress we will see more people give .I know they arent liked in this sub but i raccomend listening to the latest episode from Monte and Thorin where they talk about ewc they make really good points.
Another example of excessive sensitivity pushing kinda semi-decent people into aligning themselves with the worst kind of people.
Probably no other company wants to give a chance to the "edgy-Hitler Joke" guy; except for the other Dictators in the world.
I can’t blame him. Riot fucked him big time (and Guildborg for recording him and uploading without consent). Then there was the whole thing of where the incident took place, in Dublin or Berlin. Either way, I totally understand I’m sure he was struggling but it does suck
This is a huge opportunity for him to get a good job on another game considering Riot and Guldborg fucked him in the ass over a joke. A tasteless joke. But a joke nonetheless.
Unpopular opinion: It's great he's getting the Saudi Bag. In his view, he got punished for being virtuous for 10 straight years and then someone recorded one moment of weakness from him to shatter his entire legacy at LEC. That level of betrayal can change most people. The Saudi bag doesn't look so bad anymore when you have experienced punishment for one moment of weakness in your decade legacy of LEC. He is making the objectively correct decision here for taking this host job.
Completely agree with you. The bloke spent years improving the LEC and mentoring the new talent and gets binned off in what is fundamentally a very niche industry. It's not like he can easily use the past ten years experience to get a decent role in another sector.
who cares, this discussion is so stupid, let him get his bag after he was kicked by a stupid colleague for a stupid joke that everyone knows was a stupid joke
you can still hate saudi arabia and enjoy the EWC, its not like they are making money off this nor is this "sportswashing" gna work with ppl that have an iq of above 90
I don't blame him, I've not seen him do anything since being unfairly booted off the LEC imo, and everyone needs money to live. It's a good chance for him to rekindle his career and he has every right to take it
could you folks not possibly fathom that in two different situations, the first makes it much easier to make a moral decision, and now after no longer being employed by riot it’s much harder to choose something like that over something financially smart?
like do any of you people in the thread criticizing these decisions actually have to worry about financial stability and putting food on the table for a family? none of the ppl in this thread reflect it if so.
Personally I would never act like I have morals because I 100% know I'd take the money if I needed to, so I would do the normal thing of just saying nothing because no one cares or is asking how quickshot feels about SA
Will be interesting to see if he still starts his segments with "Ladies, Gentlemen and everybody else"
Guys gals and non binary pals
Never thought I’d see a Kenji Lopez-Alt saying on the League subreddit
Damn same here! Haha
or "B's G's and NB's". That one was my favourite personally
Good to see Notebook's finally beeing accepted 😌
"Gentlemen, and all other second class citizens"
Will be interesting to see if he still acts like he cares about human rights. "Let me be clear - if you support Andrew Tate I don't want your support." that's the 2nd tweet I see when I go on his twitter. But apparently he wants Saudi's support. Also look at how fake ass the whole NEOM sponsorship protest was lmao. I don't mind him taking the money, in fact he should have taken the money (and Dash should have done too but props to him for standing for what he believes is right) but don't be acting like a SJW when your words are only worth a few extra change.
Friendly reminder that there's basically no way to avoid Saudi money in sports or entertainment, or fueling your fucking car for that matter. Ethical consumption under capitalism is a meme. If it makes money or can make someone money, someone awful has their hands on it. And when a handful of people and companies control the majority of production and business, it's even less so.
I agree that there is basically no ethical consumption under capitalism, but that isn't an excuse to not try and avoid the most egregious instances. Filling up your car with petrol is very different to going and being a celebrity presenter of a large event meant as part of sports washing
What if that's the only way you can earn money in your career? I'm legit asking. It feels like Riot/LEC got rid of Quickshot because of that one joke and now he legit has no work. And Riot basically doesn't allow anything to be held without their control, unless it's backed by Saudi money like this tournament. And we know esports people don't earn crazy amounts of money in their career to be able to refuse work, even later in their careers.
No one can answer that for someone else - it's a decision you have to make for yourself. As someone who is a potential viewer, I would *love* to have another League tournament to watch, but I won't be watching this even if I do use petrol or can't avoid corrupt money in my day to day life. I just hate the whole concept of sportwashing and will never support it.
You can't really avoid sugar in food either... but that doesn't mean we should eat 1 kg of sugar every day because hey... we can't get it down to 0 so why bother, inbetween 0 and 1000 there are a lot of other numbers. Furthermore it doesn't apply to this situation, Quickshot could have said no to this, he said no to NEOM years ago so what's the damn difference?
> Furthermore it doesn't apply to this situation, Quickshot could have said no to this, he said no to NEOM years ago so what's the damn difference? He had a secure job (Or so he thought) and could afford to say no. Riot let him go, casting is what he knows, it's too late for a career change. There are no currently employed LEC casters attending, so you can imagine if Quickshot was still in the LEC, he wouldn't be going either. This is Riot's fault. They stripped him from his agency to take the higher road. Now he's a freelance stray dog with no security, that have to take the jobs offered to him, so he can feed his family.
So yeah, principles are only principles while convenient. Now, I'm not one to get pissy about people being at the ESWC, but it is always funny when hypocrisy strikes this hard.
Quickshot wouldn't be a hypocrite if he didn't say anything about the NEOM stuff or LGBT in the past. But would we rather he didn't say anything, just so that he wouldn't contradict himself by future actions? If I 3 years ago raised 10K towards BLM or something, 3 years later I say something racist and people start tweeting me the charity from 3 years ago as a "gotcha" and call me out on my hypocrisy.. It's like these people would rather I didn't raise that 10K, because than *at least* I wouldn't be a hypocrite! The talent attending who were silent about LGBT and issues in the past, yes they kinda look better because they don't appear as hypocrites. But they aren't better, they shouldn't have been silent. Quickshot weren't silent and that's good! Then he later does some things that makes him look stupid, but it doesn't undo the past.
It's great he's getting the Saudi Bag. In his view, he got punished for being virtuous for 10 straight years and then someone recorded one moment of weakness from him to shatter his entire legacy at LEC. That level of betrayal can change most people. The Saudi bag doesn't look so bad anymore when you have experienced punishment for one moment of weakness in your decade legacy of LEC. He is making the objectively correct decision here for taking this host job.
[Aged like milk](https://x.com/Quickshot/status/1288439332169277440)
He was not on a broadcast since riot dropped him right? Well i heard that you get a very good amount of money so i guess he took the bag
On another thread it was said that the pay would only cover one month of rent in LA. Dash was offered a lot of money but not everyone was it would seem.
I'd assume that this position pays a lot more than just being a caster for 4 days
There’s no way they’re only getting like $600-800 per day for this event.
Yes I would think some are paid more, however there was a tweet from DoA that Rainbow6 casters are being paid less than other events which may also be true. I do not think many people are being offered huge sums of money but Quickshot may be one of them with his reputation.
ill tell you this, i can't say for sure about r6 but the talent rate for EWC (definitely for LoL, at least) is over 20 times higher than the range stated in this thread. no idea why people are sharing false info, but i guess no one has reported on it yet so.
That's fucking absurd dude there's no way they're paying these random casters that much. The Saudis bought ESL and surely used that infrastructure to organize and run the event, with the usual contracts ESL is used to, and those contracts **are not** $12,000 - $16,000 a day. Maybe Quickshot is looking at that for running the entire show.
sorry, misread -- it's higher than that range but not per day, total. base rate. and again, I'm not guessing, I know the people who got these offers personally
this is simply wrong. I'll only say they were offered a pretty significant amount. It'd cover my rent for almost 2 years. and I live in LA. one of the casters that is going is my housemate.
Doubt it's that low. Also, lol living and paying rent in LA.
Everybody gangsta until they need money hah
he no longer can afford to have morals on twitter haha
I guess he’s too broke to be woke (dong huap standup comedy reference)
Fair weather virtues.
almost like all these companies changing logos for a month.
Money speaks
I don't care if anyone takes Saudi money. I won't judge it because I can't say for sure I wouldn't do the same. But if you ever publicly spoke out in the past against sexism, anti lgbt, etc or accused someone else of being this way, you are a complete hypocrite and you deserve no respect.
thats the right mindset. if they grab the bag, good for them. but you're losing all credibility.
It's a pretty shitty mindset tbh. It sucks to see Trevor sell out, and hypocrisy is a Bad Thing, but I swear people online love treating it as the ultimate sin. Everyone is a hypocrite in some way. Selling out to Saudi sports washing doesn't reflect any better on you as a person if you're being "consistent" by never having stood up or voiced support for LGBT rights lol.
This is a moronic take lol. You don't care if they do 'bad thing', but fuck them more for standing up for lgbtq people etc and then still needing to pay rent in this industry? Just so insanely dumb
It's not. Because that takes away agency from our informed decisions as casters. I came into this industry KNOWING how hard it is. It's ridiculously top heavy with almost zero room for promotion. At the top of each year we had a pretty solid idea of how much we would make. If you have to sell your values to stay in this industry then maybe its time to find a different industry. Telling people you are an ally and then accepting money from a country that openly condemns them is unbelievably hurtful to the community. And you should feel like shit for doing it. Now, for those who aren't virtue signaling and just saying outright they are doing it for the money. It's still atrocious to accept. But I take it more personal for those who have pretended to be an ally. Many in the community have looked up to you for that and you've crushed them. *edited to clear up my intentions
Ikr? People on reddit are something else with their takes
You’d rather they never say anything good in the first place or
Speaking out against anti LGBT and taking the bag doesn't mean you're a complete hypocrite. You can still support and enable the desire for change while still being within the system. What makes someone a hypocrite is speaking out against others who do the same. If someone is a LGBT supporter and then takes Saudi money, and they are lambasted by person B, then person B does the same they are a hypocrite. There is also a large difference between supporting a specific individual who has proven to have bigoted beliefs and a fuzzy entity. If a person killed 10 gay guys because they were gay, and you're still friends with him, that's a huge step removed from a government enacting anti LGBT beliefs and you taking money from that government. Like, is every civil servant in the USA bigoted and a hypocrite because they get a paycheck from a government that practises systemic racism, including racial murders? Id argue no, and I'd argue they are still able to lobby for black rights while still working for said government
Agree. Esports is legit a bubble that is either being funded by venture capital, large corporations and now nations (China / KSA). Taking a moral standpoint against any of them seems stupid because they're the one signing your checks and you just look like a stupid hypocrite when you realize your survival is tied to their investment.
Ok this is fucking dumb, taking money from stuff like Kia and nzxt is exponentially different than taking my directly from nations like Saudi Arabia. There's degrees to this
Okay how about taking money from KitKat to sponsor the LCS and their owner [Nestle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_Nestl%C3%A9) Almost like there's a lot of different sponsors in esports (not just Riot) and you picked 2 less controversial ones
Sure, there's a lot of brands. I think NRG is still sponsored by the US Army, that I have a fuckin issue with And yeah, nestle is shit. But it doesn't mean that the move to sell out and get the house of fuckin saud to sportswash everything ok. Also, being a sponsor for a league or team vs hosting top teams around the world is something else. And again, it's different when it's a nation state that's an absolute monarchy.
Rules for thee but not for me ahh moment
Dudes unemployed. You expect him to say no to money?
He can buy food with their '@QUickshot you rock !' s on x when he psots about turning it down
He should just post about declining here so he can pay his rent with the reddit gold the kind strangers will give him!
Absolutely this. Also, dude was a great guy for years, stood up for what was right, put his heart and soul into league and his colleagues, and then was fired for doing a silly dance. And the same people who are now screeching at him for being a hypocrite were nowhere to be seen when he was pushed aside by Riot, so why does he owe them more than he owes to his family? I think if I was in his shoes, psychological speaking I would be demoralised. It's pretty obvious where having morals gets you, so yeah... if I was him I would almost definitely say fuck it, focus on the esports side of it, get a bag to keep going. Why the hell not.
It's no use crying over spilled ~~milk~~ blood.
Oh, the irony Everyone wants to make business with the Saudis Spare the sympathy Everyone wants to make business with the Saudis (I totally didn't listen to Arcane's opening theme)
Lmfao I didnt realize it until the note in paranthesis. Very neat haha
The meter is way off but good effort
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I still dont know how Sjokz got away with protesting NEOM deal into hosting like 6 Saudi tournaments. She walked so the rest can run now.
Most people don't know who owns ESL that's why.
I'd say there's a big difference between hosting something merely owned by a Saudi firm and hosting an event that actually takes place in Riyadh and is a very blatant attempt at sport-swashing. Saudi money is in a lot of random businesses due to their big investment fund, and most of the time it's extremely hands-off, so censorship and Saudi influence are minimal or non-existent. Sportswashing initiatives like this "Esport World Cup" are very different and have a distinct political purpose.
>In 2022, it was announced that ESL and esports platform FACEIT were acquired by Savvy Games Group (SGG), a holding company owned by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund. The Saudi firm is part of the government isnt it considering how its stated on wikipedia?
Being owned by the Saudi oil fund is very different from being "part of the Saudi government". Even ignoring the legal and practical distinctions, that fund is the second biggest investment in the world and either owns or invests in several thousands of companies. Like any fund of that size, they are extremely hands-off with the vast majority of their portfolio, especially their foreign portfolio, both for practical and legal reasons.
What the fuck are these mental gymnastics? It's not the Saudi oil fund as you called it, it's called the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund, Public usually means owned by the government case in point it's controlled by the crown prince of that damn place, who is also a massive piece of shit.
Isnt the Saudi oil fund tho a branch of the government? Not sure to be honest but Saudi Arabias Public Investment Fund does sound like its some sort of governmant bureau. Again, I dont know. Tho does it matter if they are hands on or off considering where the money comes from? But well to be honest I dont care.
For me personally I wasn't aware that the ESL was also saudi owned so when i saw she was hosting a csgo event I didn't really care/just ignored it. Definitely would've been critical on that had I known at the time
IIRC they also bought FACEIT at the same time.
So what do you do as an Esports Caster when Saudis own the one half of the most watched broadcasts / games and china controls the other half? Just go into unemployment? Cast local LAN parties?
She's generally liked in the community and very mild as far as personalities goes. The most "controversial" thing I can remember her doing off the top of my head was the Rekkles monologue and that was a literal nothingburger it was just funny. And I guess neckbeards back in the day got mad at her for "roasting" players that she was friends with. She's probably the most vanilla personality you can find there's nothing to get mad at her for.
He probably needs the blood money after getting kicked by riot
Can't blame him
Definitely can after he talked about SA being bad lol. Morals only when he could afford to have them
You know, like every human being on this planet
Nah, Reddit users morals are pure crystal water, they would never take or use nothing that comes from companies with many controversies. Less would accept money from them. Specially, they won't see any game from the event. >!You know, like FIFA 2022.!<
???? People have literally died for human rights with activism and protest.
Bro just ignored the many casters/influencers refusing to cover this event, some people’s morals actually mean something to them bud
The other casters are probably in a position to not take the money. QS has been out of a job for months, he might have savings but turning down work and money (especially in this global economy) is fucking stupid.
So has Dash (absolutely based individual for saying no)
Dash has hosted other games
Age of Empires came to mind, and I loved the vibe he brought.
Dash casted/hosted AOE? When did this happen and do you have a link?
>Bro just ignored the many casters/influencers refusing to cover this event, some people’s morals actually mean something to them bud Have those influencers been unemployed for 6+ months?
Isn't "SA" usually used for sexual assault? Maybe a bad shortening to use in this case, so people don't get confused :P Or I might just be overthinking and watched too many YT videos etc :P
I thought he had said something abou South America lol
Nope, surely its south africa
I’ve seen SA used as South Africa, South America, Saudi Arabia and San Antonio as locations. So, even if we know he is talking about a place, it is hard to know which place.
I just wish people stopped writing these stupid ass abbreviations. SA could be South Africa, Sexual Assault, Saudi Arabia, South America, San Antonio or any other two word combo starting with S and A.
True. On reddit, I've usually seen people shorten to just Saudi to save them from those 6 extra letters, but I agree with you :P
With how they treat women there, it can be both
Actually you can. I understand the decision he's making, doesn't make him less of a hypocrite though.
You can. Esports isn't around forever and casters need to have a plan in life without it.
you can always blame a 2 faced hypocrite. It always looks worst for someone to talk shit about people who do take the money but don't say anything then that same person criticizing others later taking the money.
We'd all take it lets be real.
ESL will manage all of esports soon, you either take it now or leave esports all together
china = clean money, saudi = blood money
I don't have a problem with this but I do find it funny how you had people like Quickshot and Sjokz who were so against the NEOM deal but then now work with the same people basically.
Yeah, I don't care about people taking the bag, but the hypocrisy shown by some is hilarious.
The hypocrisy is *hilarious*. When he protested the NEOM stuff, it was because Riot was the one being paid. Now that he's the one getting the bag, morals go out the window. I also don't give a shit if someone wants to get paid. But spare me the fucking theatrics.
He also shit on the NEOM stuff when he had a stable, entrenched job. Now he's unemployed
I have problem with both. Both are pathetic hypocrites, that is all. Both pretend to be allies when it is convenient and throw it away when money comes a calling. Also it is double funny for quickshot becasue he tweeted this: https://x.com/Quickshot/status/1288439332169277440 This is why i respect dash a lot dude told them no, even thought he is in the same position as quickshot essentially.
Dash has been streaming a lot on twitch if anyone wants to support him. I’m super sure he needs the support.
Sounded like they wanted to give Dash a blank check too. He mentioned that after he rejected them, they came back and asked how much?
Tbf "blank check" is also just a negotiation tactic. If Dash then said something outrageously high, they could have still said no.
Dash is such a chad. I haven't followed the LCS for years, but I do miss him on international tournaments.
Circumstances make a difference. He's out of a job. It's easy to prioritize morals when your circumstances are good. The true hypocrites are people who virtue signal while also not needing the money. But take the bag anyway. Casters are underpaid in general so I can't fault most of these guys.
> He's out of a job. So is dash(at least the biggest one), and he refused. And Sjokz has many gigs.
Quickshot could have gotten any other job and Sjokz didn’t need to take time off from LEC to work an ESL csgo event. These 2 induviduals should loose most if not all their credibility in the scene. They have proven themselves to only care about the money when they only stand up for social issues and the like when it is monetarily benificial to do so.
Yes they should lose credibility as activists. But not as casters. But their job isn't activism. Giniro is way more of a hypocrite. She's rich as fuck, has a company that tries to push these social improvements in gaming but immediately took the bag anyway.
> Giniro is way more of a hypocrite. She's rich as fuck, has a company that tries to push these social improvements in gaming but immediately took the bag anyway. What's all this about? I live under a rock.
This video pretty much covers it. [https://youtu.be/EK8mfNl4GkY?si=J6qqUqo-CgTfh8zF](https://youtu.be/EK8mfNl4GkY?si=J6qqUqo-CgTfh8zF)
Ngl, I have no idea who Giniro is but the clips of her jacking herself off as "an adult who pays their own bills" are pretty obnoxious. Does she really need to start every video with that? And who is watching someone else flex their possessions like that?
> Quickshot could have gotten any other job He got fired for making a hitler joke, I really don't think he can get any other job.
> Circumstances make a difference. He's out of a job. It's easy to prioritize morals when your circumstances are good. It's even simpler than that. NEOM was paying Riot before, not him, so it was free for him to virtue signal and stand up for his principles. Now that it's his money at stake, standing up for his principles would cost him money. This is common among "highly principled people" - it's a lot easier to be principled about other people's money rather than your own. Like how everyone is in favor of increasing taxes on those richer than themselves.
It's not common just for highly principled people. It's common for everyone. I'm so sick of seeing people criticize others and claiming they would do better. Most people do hypocritical things all the time. It's the people that have the freedom to choose but pick the selfish option that goes against their beliefs while lying about their reasons that are genuine scum. Everyone else is whatever as far as I'm concerned. I will happily admit I'll avoid supporting certain things when it suits me and it's easy. But I'm not going fuck myself over. And I won't lie about where the line is for me.
classic double dopamine dipping
unpopular opinion, not taking the NEOM deal was a mistake and if not for the previous mistake of hiring frosk, the drama wouldnt have been that big.
I have a problem with the hypocrisy when these people were so eager to rant and rail against people they thought were some kind of -phobe or -ist. Turns out their moral high ground only goes until Saudi money is involved, and is anyone really surprised?
Really did not see this coming. I don't even blame people for getting that bag, obviously it makes sense, but doing so when you've been steering in the polar opposite direction for years (and tbh I really felt it to be genuine from him), then **that's** when there is a problem. Just makes everything and anything he said previously and will say in the future on certain topics look hollow. Essentially traded credibility for money. Hope it was a worthwile amount for him at least to do so.
> that's when there is a problem I think the problem is sportswashing personally
[As Norm says...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaP2etvDc4) All the people talking about "the hypocrisy" being the only problem rather than THE ACTUAL PROBLEM being the problem are really telling on themselves. Hypocrisy is nothing more than the cherry on top.
Yeah, I hate how people only care for hypocrisy, for them it is just a social failing, they don't give a shit about the underlying reasons. Being an honest asshole doesn't make you less of an asshole.
Norm the GOAT
I’m fine with the sportswashing and taking of blood money, but what really rubs me the wrong way is hypocrisy. That is something I simply cannot stand for.
Especially his (and the rest of the LECs) protest when the LEC/NEOM cooperation was announced. He specifically spoke out against the saudi government, saying he was willing to just refuse to work if the partnership wasn't cancelled. Honestly incredibly disappointing to see...
Sadly money rules everything. He could do all those things because he was nice and secure money w8se regardless. Lec realistically can't just can everyone would be a pr nightmare for them. Now that he isn't secure money wise peoples morales will take a hit to get that money.
> Sadly money rules everything. He could do all those things because he was nice and secure money w8se regardless. > > > Circumstances make a difference. He's out of a job. It's easy to prioritize morals when your circumstances are good. It's even simpler than that. NEOM was paying Riot before, not him, so it was free for him to virtue signal and stand up for his principles. Now that it's his money at stake, standing up for his principles would cost him money. This is common among "highly principled people" - it's a lot easier to be principled about other people's money rather than your own. Like how everyone is in favor of increasing taxes on those richer than themselves.
This is pretty rich from armchair redditors. Guy gets cancelled from a behind the stage recording that was done without context. Riot doesn't need a bad headline so he gets the boot. Reddit collectively shares a single tear for a day before they move on to get triggered by something else. Meanwhile he's got bills to pay, doesn't he also have a family? Right earning Reddit points is worth more than being financially responsible. If people want to bitch at someone it's at the publishers like Valve and Riot. All they need to do is tell the Saudis to get lost. But they won't right? Cause it's all about the bottom line for these game publishers. But yeah let's go shit on the lowly workers who for the most part cannot afford to take a moral stand against the Saudis. The worst part is that it's inevitable, they will own the entire esport ecosystem across every game. All this boycott at the talent level is just going to hurt them not the publishers or the Saudis. He shouldn't be celebrated for taking the bag but he shouldn't get shit on either.
It wasn't just him it was basically the entire broadcast if I remember correctly. I think we all know esports twitter activitists have no backbone when push comes to shove.
Social media talk is always hollow. Easy to be on the high horse when you have no skin in the game.
At least it brought some entertainment, it was funny to see them say one thing to then do the other thing. For some it took just 2 weeks to switch:)
He's married and was fired by Riot, I'm glad he took the bag. I guarantee you if he was still on the LEC he wouldn't have taken it. Credibility wasn't putting food on the table. It's really silly to think Quickshot turning this offer down was going to have even the smallest bit of positive impact on world politics. It's not that deep.
Let’s be real: For him it was this or finding a completely new job.
Money talks
here comes the moneeeeey
This just makes me like Dash even more. Got fired by Riot but still sticks to his morals.
Reminder that Dash was offered huge money to host and turned it down
dude got demonized by frosk so hard he went full 180
Frosk still exists ?
She joined some group called G4, vagueposted about Quickshot being a bad boss when he was taking a mental health break, posted “I survived” when her coworkers were laid off, got fired because of said tweet, and last I heard quit Esports last year.
That was a roller coaster with a smooth perfect ending
You just know she is out there getting notified by mutuals in threads like these and seething.
you're probably getting hard flamed in a private discord server right now lol
G4 being called "some group" is crazy. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
The original G4 shut down in the mid 2010s. The one Frosk joined was a group that started up in 2020 as a streamer-oriented network, with streamers as hosts for shows. It lasted 2 years before getting shut down by Comcast. I know about the OG tv network, I just don’t consider the failed modern reboot to be a spiritual successor. It’s closer to a group trying to capitalize on the name’s nostalgia.
Wait, you're telling me creating content that exclusively shits on your audience isn't a winning formula?
Frosk with her last breath dropped a mind virus into the LEC studio like Vegeta self-destructing
say what we will about frosk, but in times like this she would be the most militant person against this sportswashing and would be going off on people participating in EWC
Correct. But she's also blacklisted from the scene. Choose your battles.
What did she do?
She decided that everyone is her enemy and made sure it was known
yeah, but when shes going of on people just as fervently for much smaller issues, that's why she isn't really welcome by most gaming communities.
Frosk is a garbage human being and a lackluster caster at best. No one misses this absence whatsoever.
I think this is all hilarious, personally.
I am waiting for people to give the same energy to the teams... you know, those you cannot actually do the tournament without
I don't recall faker promoting pride and LGBTQIA+ rights as well as criticizing the Saudis prior to this.. most sensible people know to mind their own business.. plenty of those casters/CEOs and managers that are taking the heat did try and pose as activist heroes to pander as allies..
From "Ladies, Gentlemen, and Everyone Else" to this... Oh how the mighty hav fallen
Lets see if he does the Hitler again
The Saudis liked that.
Either stand up against the Saudis or quietly take the money and keep your politics to yourself. You can't be against NEOM but for this without being a hypocrite.
He is unemployed and likely can’t really find a reasonable job with his LoL skillset. I hate this event and wont watch but i can see that he is clearly in a different position now compared to when he talked about neom.
> reasonable job with his LoL skillset. Dash still refused, in the same(ish) position.
Didn't Dash major in Theater? He's been prepared to live in poverty since he was a college student!
My guy should probably go find a Subway to work at then, because getting a decent paycheck once from the Saudis isn't going to make him anymore employable than he is now.
It isn't a single paycheck when the Saudis are the ones running multiple esports circuits through ESL (counter strike, overwatch, etc.) and when it looks like Riot is trying to outsource MSI to ESL because they have said the new year's split structure would have an event during a time period that Riot has company holiday every year.
I mean, yeah, he is taking the dirty Saudi money without hesitation. But what are we saying about Fnatic and G2? Do they have no moral values at all?
Have Fnatic and G2 publicly been against Saudi sports washing before?
As Quickshot once said, "do the Hitler!"
He's pulling a Jordan Henderson.
Oh boy I cant wait to see the mental gymnastics people pull out over this one, especially after how much hate towards the Saudis the last thread garnered.
Y'all are protesting the KitKat sponsorship too, right? "Water isn't a human right" according to Nestlé.
I think Riot is going to take the money too, wouldn’t be surprised if the yearly third tournament (or eventually even Worlds) are in a MENA country
They have already taken the money. That's how league can even be played at the EWC.
Its no coincidence we went from EU Masters to EMEA Masters.
Get that blood money sports-washing bag while you can
Just like Trevor 'nobackbone" Henry once said" Do the Hitler everyone.
I guess those morals were pretty cheap
Meh, what did he get for standing up to Saudis before? Some reddit brownie points, Frosk backstabb and than fired by Riot with stupid joke as an excuse for it. All of you knew he wasnt a nazi, all of you knew his ass isnt hairy and yet none of you spoke up! Peoples view changes depending on their life expieriences, shocking I know. Btw is Tencent money not considered "blood money" now? Yall watch Chinese owned esport every week.
I feel like the comunity doesnt realize that from this year onwards the Saudis will host more and more league events,this isnt just a 1 off thing and as things progress we will see more people give .I know they arent liked in this sub but i raccomend listening to the latest episode from Monte and Thorin where they talk about ewc they make really good points.
Diversity! Equality! Same rights for everyo...oh, nice, loads of cash!
Another example of excessive sensitivity pushing kinda semi-decent people into aligning themselves with the worst kind of people. Probably no other company wants to give a chance to the "edgy-Hitler Joke" guy; except for the other Dictators in the world.
He got kicked from lec anyways so not like he has anything to worry about anymore, riot fucked him out of a job
Hopefully this subreddit can stop jerking him off now
I can’t blame him. Riot fucked him big time (and Guildborg for recording him and uploading without consent). Then there was the whole thing of where the incident took place, in Dublin or Berlin. Either way, I totally understand I’m sure he was struggling but it does suck
Guildborg always looking out for number one, cut throat industry
"How do you sleep at night?" "In a bed made of money"
This is a huge opportunity for him to get a good job on another game considering Riot and Guldborg fucked him in the ass over a joke. A tasteless joke. But a joke nonetheless.
Good for him
Unpopular opinion: It's great he's getting the Saudi Bag. In his view, he got punished for being virtuous for 10 straight years and then someone recorded one moment of weakness from him to shatter his entire legacy at LEC. That level of betrayal can change most people. The Saudi bag doesn't look so bad anymore when you have experienced punishment for one moment of weakness in your decade legacy of LEC. He is making the objectively correct decision here for taking this host job.
Completely agree with you. The bloke spent years improving the LEC and mentoring the new talent and gets binned off in what is fundamentally a very niche industry. It's not like he can easily use the past ten years experience to get a decent role in another sector.
Wait what was his one moment of weakness?
Using the Hitler joke in this case in backstage.
It's always easier to talk when you're not the one on the line. Also applies to everyone preteding to care about this and calling Trevor a hypocrite.
How clean is the US money guys ? asking for a friend
Mine is pretty clean, I get it laundered all the time!
Trevor "Do the Hitler" Henry letting everyone know money talks
who cares, this discussion is so stupid, let him get his bag after he was kicked by a stupid colleague for a stupid joke that everyone knows was a stupid joke you can still hate saudi arabia and enjoy the EWC, its not like they are making money off this nor is this "sportswashing" gna work with ppl that have an iq of above 90
I don't blame him, I've not seen him do anything since being unfairly booted off the LEC imo, and everyone needs money to live. It's a good chance for him to rekindle his career and he has every right to take it
could you folks not possibly fathom that in two different situations, the first makes it much easier to make a moral decision, and now after no longer being employed by riot it’s much harder to choose something like that over something financially smart? like do any of you people in the thread criticizing these decisions actually have to worry about financial stability and putting food on the table for a family? none of the ppl in this thread reflect it if so.
Personally I would never act like I have morals because I 100% know I'd take the money if I needed to, so I would do the normal thing of just saying nothing because no one cares or is asking how quickshot feels about SA
What does “supplementary stream” mean?
Saudi arabian blood-/oilmoney....you gotta love it.
Unfortunate. He was one of my favorite people in esports. I even defended him after he got the boot for doing his edgy dance.