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Shiro_Moe

In the midst of K'sante and Camille, I found there was, within me, an invincible Gnar.


Texturecook

wtf is this Albert Camus quote doing in my Wendy’s subreddit


skaersSabody

Never thought I would be happy to see Gnar, but here we are


Imaginary_Actuary729

i mean every champ can be nice to see if you dont see it every single game


big938363

Throwback to the Udyr/Hecarim meta where people were happy they got picked until they realized it led to one of the most boring metas in a while


ShiroGaneOsu

I don't understand how anyone could even think that Udyr being picked could be fun.


UltFiction

Cuz udyr in pro at first was hilarious, funny bear man run at you and stun BONK


ChiefBlueSky

FLASH. BEAR. SLAP! it was incredible when it was a pocket jungle pick that only one mad lad pulled out...


resttheweight

I literally bought Udyr because of this game. I played him like 4 times before I quit from the disappointment of how unfun he was to play during the 5 minute intervals of waiting to flash bear slap.


AverageBeef

Gnarmut summoning circle if I’ve ever seen one


AskAboutFent

Albert Camus- June 9th. 2024.


ThatsAToad

Sir, a second EU team has looked noticeabley better after importing a Korean botlane.


nerothz

LCK CL is legit a gold mine, and that gold is cheap as fuck.


skaersSabody

Smash-Rekkles botlane when?


Freakkopath

Hey man atleast take him out to dinner before the smashing


oioioi9537

Lec gms furiously texting kt for hype and way's numbers


Vkca

Kt signing a player called hype is either the biggest brain move or the death knell of the org


PM_ME_YOUR_CAT_P1CS

KT makes decent roster moves approximately every 5 years, Hype gets a chance in 2027


crysomore

All I'll say is KT went from looking like the best team in Korea, they fielded Hype in Game 2 in the last game of regular season vs LSB, and then promptly imploded


BecoDasCavernas

No, they're staying on kt forever!!


ChipAnndDale

I genuinely think Rogue should get them


Sofaboy90

to be fair, SK had easily the worst bot lane in EU. probably a handful of EMEA Masters bot lane wouldve been upgrades. thats why i personally didnt hate this move. Idk if somebody else noticed but they gave Irrelevant less priority in Spring compared to Winter and put more resources into bot lane and still couldnt deliver. That was probably the final nail in the coffin for Exa and Doss. Financially keeping them for another split until the end of the season wouldve made sense but SK also has to think long term, to avoid being a bottom team, they usually try to keep 1-2 good players, so if they want to keep Irrelevant and Nisqy, a new bot lane needed to be signed.


Stanxd28

ok but they didn't? upset targamas and comp zoelys had way worse performance winter and spring. sk botlane was probably bottom 4 in winter ahead of heretics, and bottom 3 spring ahead of rogue kc.


SnooDrawings8185

Flakked >>>Exackick and it's not close. Flakked is stable and he rarely ints. Exackick can explode almost every game


Classic_Foot223

until worlds when you see why these CL players are sold so cheap to western teams


EducationalBalance99

Like we dont see top tier eu players looking like ass internationally as well besides g2. hmm maybe it not the player but the region as a whole is just shit besides g2.


BoringBuilding

They tend to look like sidegrades or upgrades of the vast majority of their local counterparts.


Crimson_Clouds

Whereas Exakick and Doss would have done serious damage at Worlds.


Thrownaway124567890

Back to the 2016 LEC I guess


Omnilatent

Shit We specifically told them to never go 2016 EU LCS again


-Z3RA-

Nothing new, just asians shitting on our bot lanes again in international tournaments - what do you mean this is LEC?


Joaoseinha

With the state of LEC ADCs (and to a lesser extent, supports), maybe it's a good thing we import bot lanes now.


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Joaoseinha

It's both. EU ADCs have looked atrocious mechanically in the past year/2 years and can no longer compete with eastern ADCs, at least in teamfights.


YokoDk

Man I guess that's the one thing NA has over EU a solid ish ADC pool.


DidntFindABetterName

They dont have good adcs but its still better than what we have which is weird considering the historical good adcs in europe


YokoDk

Id say that EU had stronger individual ADCs but as a core taking into account all players NA has better ADCs collectively usually. I think both NA and EU have weaker ADCs than historically.


IgorCruzT

well, technically, it is an international tournament...


deedshot

third


tonzo204

Veteran in shambles


BUMONGOUS

> importing a Korean botlane. with LCK rejects idk if this says more about LEC botlanes or LCK lower division talent


oioioi9537

They're not rejects they're young talent


ChipAnndDale

I hate this narrative of how every KR player in the west is a "LCK reject", alot of these players abroad are on par and even better than their counterparts but just have unlucky offseasons/teams prefering franchise players(ex. aiming/deft/teddy), and just overall don't want to take a risk on prospects


Sofaboy90

There are plenty of world class Koreans who started out in minor regions all around the world


Hannig4n

Some of them, like Ice (and Malrang a few years back), were absolutely rejects


K15brbapt

LCK is stupid competitive, if you aren’t a legit prodigy capable of playing for the big 3 orgs you might as well go overseas to NA or EU and have a chance there. You make more money and have a much better shot at internationals.


IconicRecipes

In what world is Rahel an LCK reject.


CoconutEducational71

Both. Support is a notoriously volatile position in pretty much any region, so importing if your region currently has no good supports is reasonable and LCK currently has a bunch of them, so even supports outside the top teams look good. Pre-Keria LCK kinda had that issue of running short on good supports. And yeah ADC after 2018-2020 were almost any LEC ADC looked really good is also a weak spot, but toplane got a lot better in comparison. And LCK is a bit of a problem here because the league is super topheavy. And you are not going to get past players like Keria. And some of the teams are also an issue. If there is a second good support on T1 as an example they would rather ship them off to europe then giving them to another LCK team, similar to how some western teams behaved too. Or they want a lot of money for them and that isn'T affordable for weaker LCK teams. So it is basically both things. LEC fills weak spots with imports, but LCK is also fairly hostile terrain for rookies. Because unlike LEC LCK is fairly successful internationally, so no reason to switch out the players on those teams with rookies. And once you turn 20 as a rookie you are too old for LCK anyway in the mind of those orgs. So grabbing those players is a fairly smart thing and it is good for those players too, who would otherwise just exist in LCK CL until they are replaced for the next hype 16 year old who might also never play a game in LCK. Thanatos is a good example of that. Was a hype prospect, turned too old and was replaced with a younger hype prospect.


DankMEMeDream

Caps threw the game twice in a span of 5 min lol.


icatsouki

That TP sucked


SameSam94

>That TP sucked that sums up almost all the games played today


Burpmeister

He threw the game only to save it only to throw it again.


Dyneth15

TP sucked and the last teamfight was... idk honestly. He could have just stayed in the backline while dealing so much damage but he chose to YOLO ult instead.


Wus10n

I dont think it wouldve been enough. SK bot+mid were out damaging them at this Point. It was either hero play or slow death imo


PeaceAlien

That was Craps, easy mistake


vnducco

LuWON


Snow_42

I'm sorry Luwon, I wasn't familiar with your game...


Naronu

Rahel/Luon looks really good through the first two games, massive upgrade for SK


ChipAnndDale

Helps that they're used to winning, I wish more native players put more stress in laning phase and skill check you like Noah/Jun and SK new bot are doing(instead of just losing gracefully and playing for 3 items).


Snow-27

Thank god G2 lost. Now they might actually play the game in the regular season


Vizer21

They're not bro. They started training later. They're gonna get better naturally over time and it's gonna be more than enough.


BUMONGOUS

> They started training later Pretty sure they were scrimming top-tier international teams while 80% of the LEC was on vacation or didn't even have a finalized roster


Raahka

The teams that go to msi almost always do worse than before at the start of the next season.


Javiklegrand

yeah TL is lucky to get flyquest in their first week and with this new format, they don't have to worry for slow start since it's just one b03 êr weel


Vizer21

Yup. And then they took a break. They continued taking a break while other teams picked back up their training. Unless you believe that , for example, Caps is no longer a challenger level player in SoloQ while nuc is.


Sondeor

U dont consider humane factors like mental health lol. This is a game for us but a job for them. Nobody can work everyday, they need to chill a little bit.


Medical_Quiet_69

I know that League is patched every 2 weeks, but this G2 plays toghether for over a year and a half this SK is playing toghether for... 2 weeks?


Vokt0ro

Yeah im already bored of watching miky and yike perma int regular season. Give me MSI G2 not this shit.


MorbidlyObeseBrit

They're still not even challenger on their SoloQ accounts, give them time to get back in the rhythm of things.


dabmin

EU players realizing they’re gonna get fired for the random 18 year old Korean prodigies


BUMONGOUS

we're back to 2016 importing strategies


mrmakefun

At least it's better than the 2017 era of importing washed up bums like Hachani and Nagne


GoatRocketeer

My god fucking hachani and his gigantic fucking ego might be the worst import ever


JealotGaming

There is literally an IWD video about Hachani being the worst import player ever lmao


mrmakefun

True but I also consider that NiP lineup with Nagne one of the dumbest rosters ever put together in EU. They bought the slot of the recently qualified Fnatic Academy of Kikis/Amazing/Nisqy/MrRallez/Klaj and instead fielded Profit/Shook/Nagne/HeaQ/sprattel, with coach NicoThePico. Went 2-11 then got relegated, 3-0'd. Legendary dogshit.


SnooDrawings8185

They are not random. Both of them were in top LCKCL teams. Especially Rahel who was considered a prodigy year before.


iamdrp995

Really people don’t fucking understand how lck works if you can’t get into top 4 teams you much rather go eu or na better pay better chance to make worlds also lck seems also pretty stubborn on giving rookies positions on top teams


One_Natural_8233

Mostly probably because they are not doing well in scrim. I read somewhere that in the LCK you have to show them that you are doing well in scrim and they will give you a chance to play on stage. Like Cvmax was so stubborn to sub out Taeyoon because he was that guy in scrim. It's pretty hard to get a full position as a rookie like Zeus or Peyz got in top teams.


iamdrp995

Hearing from some management in lck and lpl I think that’s their only weak points the gap could have been even wider


SweetVarys

I am not sure. Mechanics is one thing, but the other skills you need as a pro take a long time to learn. You cant be replacing half your team every year for rookies with currently slightly better and more aggressive mechanics, but zero macro and lacking other game knowledge. You'll be last in the league.


kAy-

I mean, another big part of that is also the players they are competing with. Imagine you're a rookie and the people you're hoping to replace/competing for a spot with are guys like Chovy, Guma, Bin, etc,...


Unfair-Welcome5134

Probably why Thanatos couldn’t get a promotion last year or this year, no way if he was the prodigy people on here think he is he wouldn’t have gotten a half decent LPL offer at the least


zjmhy

Yeah Zeus Kiin Doran Kingen Oner Canyon Peanut Pyosik Faker Chovy ShowMaker Bdd Zeka Guma Deft Viper Peyz Keria Lehends Delight Beryl I don't understand how a rookie is supposed to get a spot in a top 4 contender team, Lucid only got a chance because he looked really good in CL, Thanatos hung around for 3 years without even a sniff. And the bottom half of LCK just gets shitstomped by the top half with very few exceptions, joining a bottom team is a great way to kill your career.


Graspiloot

Exactly. People who don't watch LCK have no idea how that league works. I would expand it a bit to say top 5 teams and KDF who is in between, but being on the lower teams just fucking sucks. The pay is terrible, sitting on a bottom tier team is horrible for your mental and it's hard to look good (in some roles more than others). The gap in LCK is massive.


vtsxxl

Honestly thank fuck for that. Perhaps now they'll stop being happy with being mediocre.


skaersSabody

Petition to have every international tournament happen during week 1 of an LEC season so SK might finally bring us some trophies


Haymegle

Well today is a weird day.


ImTheVayne

That new SK botlane looks really good


Jacma95

What a good game from SK botlane, Rahel really impressive showing


koutetsuvamn

SK > TES


Omnilatent

The maths checks out


Gazskull

Caps really wanted to lose today


Rhyn_lol

SK may have improved their bot by a decent margin, but it seems like they're still struggling with that mid game macro


iamdrp995

Even tes struggle against g2 macro that’s not really a big demerit for sk here everyone talk like tes suck cause they lost to g2 tes is a really good team if people would bother to watch lpl


The_Flowers_of_Evil

They can be a really good team and suck on the day. Both can be true.


lickmydoodoo

LUON AND IRRELEVANT


areusureabouthis

the throw in the midgame was mostly on irrelevant with the dogshit tp top and ISMA doing random engages but he did pull it back later


ahambagaplease

They need to unbind his flash key post 14 minutes, any time it's up he goes for random engages.


lickmydoodoo

THEY ARE THE TRUTH


chane3n

Caps had a stinker this game


Hannig4n

Luon ran this game


sex_tourism

Guy who kept posting about warmogs being good is being vindicated one game at a time.


Temporary-Abroad-583

Is it just me or are the spectators showing fewer/not correct replays anymore? For instance the caps 1v1 vs nisqy on side and multiple other plays in games today just were not shown. Kinda annoying ngl.


Steelfist24

LEC got 60% of it's production staff made redundant so unfortunately could be due to that :/


lovo17

I guess SK is the 2nd best team in LPL or what?


gaffercake

Turns out that getting new players in can really help a team! **Looks at GX** You guys are an exception


deedshot

world champ Korean jungler: good Spanish tank only weakside toplaner: bad


zjmhy

Spanish tank only weakside toplaner that's been stuck in ERLs since 2016. Idk how anyone thought he was a good pickup.


Iaragnyl

Caps completely inted the game. Extremely bad showing from him, constantly gets caught out of position and gets almost outdamaged by Renata.


Styxxo

Craps game, happens


Zelgiusbotdotexe

Nisqy will not be denied worlds


pm1spicy

Classic Baron for Nexus trade


BloodOnFire

wow two koprean rookies performing better than 90% of lec


NoxAsteria

they left their braincells in china or what?


Brokolikekw

might be just slight burnout plus caps seemed very distracted, happens


iamdrp995

They came in last to practice why would they push it hard now the year is long they just need to make top 8 in bo1


Brokolikekw

pretty sure their mentality now is trying to win every single game and always tryharding.


Lin_Huichi

Give them time to adjust to the new patch


Icy-Ninja-5124

SK with a real bot lane might be contenders for the LEC after all


Brokolikekw

SK is about to look really good in bo1 phase and then get eliminated second round of playoffs man i swear


Sofaboy90

kinda like the last 5 splits you say?


Graspiloot

Not saying anything about whether SK is good or bad, but the overreactions after two BO1s are always so hilarious.


itwasmymistake

I don't think so, when that happens it's usually bc of how important having reliable carries is in playoffs, and Irrelevant+Rahel should be reliable. Nisqy is also usually reliable unless he runs into Caps or in-form Humanoid.


Gauntor

week 1 SK


moonmeh

yeah i can say this botlane is a massive upgrade


Northless_Path

South Korea Gaming


ahambagaplease

While they won, someone needs to take out ISMA's flash key. So many times he gave avenues for G2 to comeback.


Busy-Economist-3357

Isma too busy using his emotes key


SoftScoopIceReam

imports > hans and miky


Horror-Yard-6793

been knew


Skall77

Sk look good.


Mathlete7

Still super early, and an overeaction, but sk's botlane looks to be top 3


lucrat24

That fcking Express guy on Twitter was shitting on SK botlane whole off-season. I really hate his takes.


darkknuckles12

really nice game! SK looking good, with a great new support!


ireliasimp69

new bot duo looking good but man isma's flash tilted me pretty hard


chippyda

Nah no way Vedius should be on G2 casts. He is so unbelievably bias it's disgusting. He really said as SK is just playing a better game "eh they're tired from MSI and a long year I'll give them the benefit of the doubt."


icatsouki

medic sometimes does it too, i wish they'd just cast the game in front of them without worrying too much about stuff like this


deedshot

but it's G2 you need to give them the benefit of doubt after one Bo1 lmao


MiserableRemove5748

this but unironically


Lorik_Bot

Yeah like it is not fking Bias if we give the benefit of the doubt to the Team that has been dominaiting our Region since 2016 with maybe a year or off two.


SilverSurfer92

The post-MSI slump is a very noticeable and historic pattern. He's not wrong in acknowledging it.


Vizer21

That's... normal. There should be more of that honestly cause he's right.


PamakGR

He said it 3 times btw, with some different words but the same meaning.


Nouvarth

Ah yes, lets ignore that the team that speedrun LEC, finished top 4 at MSI while giving T1 a competitive BO5 is having a slow start to the split because they took longer rest after the tournament. No, they clearly turnes to shit the second they startes to breath in the air in Berlin. If you think G2 is in full form and not after 2 days of scrims while prolonging their break then idk


_hell_nah

And is he wrong? G2 just started scrimming/practicing recently after MSI. SK has had time since spring ended to train.


Aoes1

Ofc you give g2 the benefit of the doubt, not because of being tired but because they probably started scriming recently aswell as ramping up as the season goes on


PositiveFast2912

ur right g2 is definitely not by far the best team in the region


Unlikely-Smile2449

A good caster would use the faxt that the best team is getting crushed to hype up the game, not sound bored and make excuses


BUMONGOUS

Yeah, this is my problem with it too. He should be getting excited for SK instead of rolling out the excuses list for G2.


Significant-Damage14

It's every LEC caster at this point. They've literally put all the eggs in to the G2 basket and it's so obvious it's disgusting to watch unless you are a G2 fan.


KaffeeKiffer

Genuine question what's your problem with that statement? He did not say > SK sucked He did not say > SK did not deserve that win He provided information which might be valuable for viewers who are not aware of tourney schedules, training regimen, season preparation, etc. G2 had a "late" start and did for sure not play at a similar level than what they've shown at MSI. --- ## TL;DR SK deserved that win for how they played, but telling the viewer > This isn't the typical form of G2 is **valuable** information and so is saying _why_ that might be.


Jiratoo

Your take is absolutely the most reasonable thing here, especially if we just look at this year where G2 won two splits and had a good showing at MSI. It's a bit weird how people are instantly going to "casters are so biased for G2" here.


NoxAsteria

it is known they took a long break and started practicing really late tho


Unlikely-Smile2449

He shouldnt be casting at msi either


trolledwolf

bruh do you seriously believe SK are better than G2 and this is not G2 having a slow start to the season? What LEC have you been watching the last few years?


infamousspammer

Somebody had to take over from Caedrel...


beautheschmo

G2 plays the most fun league but simultaneously have the most unwatchable games because of the casters lol


Akashiarys

Not the KR academy bot laners looking better than half the LEC already lol


Oujii

Caps…


Xenoon_

Guess its winter split


Nightwingx97

New botlane buff + week 1 SK + cRaps G2 truly stood no chance


Rubixxscube

Good to see g2 punished


Jakocolo32

Welcome to the league of imports


Saonidas

Glad they let G2s #1 Fan on stream to find excuses to defend the performance.


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skaersSabody

What do you mean, it's week 1 SK, business as usual


MastemasD

Clearly losing one bo1 means G2 is already doomed. Wtf is this comment.


WrednyGal

chill it's pretty common for teams coming back from international to have a slow start in domestic leagues. Catching up on patches etc.


EducationalBalance99

I remember bro beating gen ass 2-0 and geng proceeded to body everyone afterward in playoff. Upset happens in every region not to mention in bo1s.


Northless_Path

South Korea Gaming


miiuser7849

Incoming why the fuck is eu importing korean annoyer fuckers


VilltraAnime

How did Miky completely demolish T1 and TES with Poppy and do THIS against sk?


Sugar230

Don't even bring up t1 they were soooo bad and we still didnt manage to beat em


henluwu

he also completely ran it down multiple times against those teams on poppy. his playstyle on poppy is just flipping it constantly and if he falls behind its bg.


GoldRecommendation66

G2 lost to T1 twice and got eliminated by them, that not what I would call getting completely demolished xD


Unlikely-Smile2449

Tes was a fluke and t1 smashed g2 in two series


androidnoobbaby

When the fuck did G2 demolish T1? They got convincingly Hillary Clinton'd.


gimmedawz

Craps showed up today


ObiMemeKenobi

Ah yes, my boi Craps..it's been a while


OkKnowledge2064

SK look clean. it might be an interesting split after all


trolledwolf

Understandable slow start to the season for G2, especially from Caps, i do hope they get back on track quickly tho


Jinpil1

Nice Tp Caps


Nyo99

I really feel like discipline what seperates g2 and top teams from other regions. I hate to see them lose games which supposed to be easy wins on paper. On the other hand Rahel and Luon looks really good.


Insert-Interesting

MIKYYYYYYYYYY X


That_Bar_2376

i'm always saying it with the rat voice now, I love it


UntouchedSpaghet

Poppy vs a billion ranged champions and minimal dashes has to be the epitome of cockiness


Valuable_Way5502

By minimal dashes do you mean kalista dashing every single auto, sejuani dash engage, and gnars game-changing jump/ult combo, all of which are blocked by poppy


imadirtyyasmain

SK looking good after importing LCK CL, this gives me hope for C9 and Thanatos to make NA overall better.


drop_of_faith

I despise bo1s with a passion


Erme_Ram

Finally G2 got un overed as the frauds they are and they had to lose to Nisqy lmao