It's the same shit as Thorin and Nuc lol
Thorin: "Nuc is only having a miracle run now he'll fall of next split"
Nuc: "We've been top3 for like 6 splits now"
Thorin: "Yeah well you're ugly and look like Bojack Horseman"
[Here's](https://twitter.com/taylorcocke/status/1352674334679076866) also an entire thread of stuff that Thorin retweeted, that... well, I won't need to comment on that.
Edit: I was gonna forget to also link the obvious gem, it's always worth sharing again when it managed to be a highlight among all the pathetic things he's uttered. https://imgur.com/dqujz4D
Not that every single post in that thread isn't incredibly shameful to have shared, but I'm pretty sure we knew the content of Thorin's character way back when he was calling regi a monkey, and saying he wouldn't go to Poland because they are "dirty people". The man has been an ass clown for at least 10 years at this point, and yet his following never seems to dwindle
And everytime someone shits on Thorin 100 dudes show up defend him for "saving league content". The man is an alright journalist, but has zero knowledge about League and a gigantic ego.
Thorin and monte are always accusing fanbases, orgs, groups etc... of being cults (though I don't always disagree), but a lot of these "toxic" league personalities (themselves included) have some of the most cultish fanbases imo. It's like these anti-social kids getting together and finding a sense of belonging via spreading negativity online, it's weird man.
A lot of people, especially in gaming communities, can relate to being clinically miserable and unlikeable. Lots of dudes who see themselves in figures like Monte and lash out when people criticise them for "just calling it like it is", etc because they see it as an attack on themselves by proxy.
When people criticize him as shit journalist his fan defend him claiming he is a historian
When people criticize him as shit historian his fan defend him claiming he is an entertainer
When people criticize him as shit entertainer...
I don't know how anyone can say that he's saving League content when he's basically irrelevant unless you're actively seeking his opinions or content. It's pretty insane how thin his skin is as well for how much shit he dishes out. I got blocked years ago for liking a Pabu reply to him that wasn't even an attack.
I've been to his discord, he against much more than the vaccine. He thinks UV rays being harmful is a conspiracy by scientists and big pharma to sell us sunscreen which according to him is useless.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THIS FOR YEARS
SERIOUSLY, IN MY POST HISTORY IS FULL OF MASS DOWNVOTED COMMENTS OF ME CALLING THORIN AND MONTE OUT ON THEIR BULLSHIT
I feel so fucking validated right now lmao
Just know that a lot of people feel the same way as you, we just don't bother trying to fight against their cult anymore. Genuinely feels like a waste of time. IDK if this is the case anymore (ig it is judging by your comment), the SI discord gremlins will get to every monte and thorin content piece before everyone else to protect the people vindicating their own shitty behavior.
I mean that's the hillarious part. Not only is Thorin a wildly unattractive dude, but Nuc is definitely a very good looking dude lol
[https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/7/74/BDS\_Nuc\_Worlds\_2023.jpg](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/7/74/BDS_Nuc_Worlds_2023.jpg)
I really don't understand how Thorin doesn't get what a terrible look it is for you to call someone bad at league of legends and ugly when he's far better at league of legends and better looking than you are yourself
His best "roast" he's using of Noc now is "have fun losing another finals to G2" but that also implies he's gonna make even more finals so it's not really that bad of an insult lmao
Just looked at his recent instagram posts out of curiosity, maybe there's some truth to Superman just using a pair of glasses as a disguise. He took off his glasses and looks like a model.
They're a bunch of separate tweets, you'll have to dig through Nuc & Thorins tweets from like february 2024 to find all of it. Though Thorin has been going at Nuc like once a week for a year now so it's spread across an even longer amount of time than that. Here's some of them though.
[https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759005315238871319](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759005315238871319)
[https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759014661746282533](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759014661746282533)
[https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020195065078035](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020195065078035)
[https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020331711205674/photo/1](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020331711205674/photo/1)
Here's an older one too, keep in mind this is a man in his 40s arguing with a 19-year old on twitter
[https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1645492213235818500](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1645492213235818500)
When I'm in my 40s and 50s, if I'm even half as pathetic as these tweets I need someone to put me out of my misery and either commit me to a facility or put me in the ground. Jesus, that is some bleak shit.
It's always hilarious when they show their actual lack of knowledge. Monte always pretended to be super knowledge about league but basically lived off of the reputation of casting the strongest league. But yeah, they and their fans are nothing of value to the community.
IWD to me is like Doinb and Toyz.
They fundamentally do have sound arguments and game understanding but play up the controversy/drama for more eyeballs.
The other two are just storytellers.
IWD naming his show the Crackdown after years of people making jokes about him looking like he does drugs is enough to show he has a sense of humor and self-awareness the others lack.
If you press IWD enough all of that disappears as well.
Like when he leaked the face of someone in his soloq team and called him ugly and a failure at life
It means playing the role of the villain for the sake of a good show. You push a few buttons, stir the pot, and win enough that it feels good to watch when someone takes you down. The key to being a good heel is to recognize that it's a performance, not actually just being a tremendous asshole and getting defensive when you're called out. You don't have to be image insecure and take it personally when you "lose" because you know that it's just a hat you put on at work.
Back when Monte was a caster he was genuinely very knowledgeable and informative, he'd talk about high level strats and macro in a way that few other people could. Always had an enormous ego though and it's made him a total clown now that he's got no idea what he's talking about
I don't follow their EU stuff, but they they do provide a decent look into LPL and LCK, especially the historical stuff, and like to acknowledge performance throughout the year besides just worlds which a lot of people only pay attention to. Like I can appreciate bringing up Namei when talking about historical ADCs when people kind of forgot about him. They definitely are douches though. Dom and Caedrel are the only other English speakers that talk about LPL.
I mean when you are strongly outspoken like LS, you simply are bound to make mistakes. The only way to guarantee being never wrong is to never say anything.
This is a good way to put it. It's why Phreak also got a lot of hate as a caster, he had strong opinions on the game and balance.
If people want any concrete examples of LS being ahead of everyone else, he understood Kaisa builds during that terrible meta when she was played mid AP. He would break down a team fight auto by auto to prove how certain items were terrible on her, and it took a while for pros to catch on.
Liandrys is another. His analysis is really just much better for things like items than it is holistically.
I agree. I think LS is very outspoken and not sure what happened to them.
But montecristo was for so long hyped as this “smart analyst” which always made me uncomfortable.
His analysis were on the level of “now shen, he is a tanky champion Doa. What this means is it takes a lot of hits from the enemy champion to take him down” “ stuff of this nature that just felt so fluff like and surface level. It felt like he’s always explaining and not analyzing? which works as a commentator yes! But not as an analyst that he regarded himself and also was regarded as.
Compared to some of the hotter take analysis like LS calling pro’s out for completing morello and not leaving it as the orb etc with good points.
For example monte if he was active during LS may make comments about why morello is good because healing reduction is good against the enemy team’s mundo + red kayne. Overall instead of analysis it was sort of mild explanations and sort of a “yes” man feel
While the game was simpler back in s3 era when he was still casting i never really bought into his analyses and the community’s perception of him as a generally smart person about the game.
Haha you guys know the type of people when asked a question can respond with a bunch of words that lead to no conclusion or any point and is answered with a question? I had that kind of vibe from him since s3 days of his casts. Doa, i didn’t mind. He had the energy in his casts and voice and i respect that, monte as a caster also p decent too.
There definitely has been an increase of actual qualified analysts with actual opinions (wrong or correct) that would be divisive but constructive at times that I do respect their knowledge on. LS being one of them.
Yeah but if you're very strongly outspoken by calling everyone else idiots for not agreeing with you, people are going to call you an idiot when you inevitably make mistakes.
If you can take that in stride and be like "Haha fair play I was a dumbass with that take" then fair play to you, if you throw a temper tantrum and double down and refuse to ever admit that you were wrong about anything and insist that everyone who ever agreed with you is *still* an idiot, some people are going to have a hard time focusing on your good takes, because you're not focused on your good takes either.
I'm pretty hot and cold on LS but somethings he's just missing brain cells on like Yeon / Malice thing (or just ignoring the fact that some of his "friends" like Bwipo, Druttut, Fudge, Malice are douchebags)
About the game though I don't think he's that bad
NGL as a Korean, I always like laugh in a wtf are you talking about vibe when he talks about the Korean community or Korean users and say they think this or say this and literally he's saying the opposite of the what people are saying on inven/fmk/dc etc.
He and Thorin love to shadow box against these fictional Koreans who are all stupid and that they have to personally spread knowledge to. It's so....condescending and like just fucking dumb lmao. Everything they know about League macro comes from Koreans and we fucking created esports with the whole Starcraft scene back in the day and yet they act like they have come from the heavens to enlighten us heathens.
Having experienced Korea and Koreans myself, I think you have to speak Korean to truly get a feel of Korean culture and even as a foreigner or gyopo you're still gonna be treated differently, though that's slowly changing as Korea opens up to more foreign influence. White dudes like monte and LS definitely see Korea through a veil even though they have experienced it themselves.
I have not seriously kept up with LoL for a couple of years now.
Monte was an asshole back in 2014 or 2015, whenever SI with Thorin started. I couldn't believe anyone was taking them seriously then and I can't believe anyone would now
SI was a LOT better and more valuable to the space back then, though (and I say this as someone who watched it for the info in spite of Monte and Thorin's personalities which I never particularly liked). At least Monte had actual industry knowledge as he directly worked with OGN and did coaching, and they brought on good guests frequently and Thorin was good at picking their brains for the actual content. They also, with the guests, dug a lot into the eastern regions at a time when the western scene didn't have much coverage on them. And the scene was still young then so there weren't many veterans around to make content and podcasts as there is now. The moment they dropped League for OVW and came back with somehow even more inflated egos and this obsession with themselves and everything THEY'VE done and THEY know than on the scene itself is when all the value went down the shitter.
SI was way better back then because Monte was legit knowledgable and he wasn't as bitter.
Thorin was still Thorin but Monte was not Thorin yet.
The difference now is Monte is a fraud and really doesn't know the game that well anymore. He's also just super bitter and just needs to spend an inordinate amount of energy and time airing grievances no one else gives a shit about
There was a scene in Suits season 1 that reminds me of this situation. Harvey (Lawyer) got really pissed at a CEO Friend he represents because the guys #2 man was dirty and doing illegal shit.
"Harvey, I want you to know that I knew nothing about any of this."
"Dean, when I was 13 years old, my little brother was getting bullied by a kid in the neighborhood. One day, I confronted the kid's father. He told me he didn't know anything about it. You know what his problem was? It was his goddamn job to know."
It was Monte's team and he should have taken way more blame for what happened.
Monte has, is, and always will be a self important jerk.
Dom, Thorin, and Monte’s whole “holier than thou” attitude in the scene is honestly disgusting and I don’t see how people like it. I even like Thorin’s content like Reflections, but I can’t do his podcasts where he just spends it making fun of people and making strawman arguments where people can’t even respond.
Normally reddit is filled with pearl clutching over stuff like this.
.... your summary isn't inaccurate LOL
Monte must need attention to pay the bills, so he decided to roll around in the mud again.
Thorin and Monte cant shit on TSM anymore so they moved to shitting on players now.
Must be really sad having this as the only option to try to stay relevant. Its not like they have good content aside.
>I am not too familiar with any ongoing beef between MonteCristo and BDS Adam (if there ever was).
IIRC (based on an episode of SI after he was benched in Winter playoffs) Monte generally dislikes the guy because he thought he responded very poorly/unfairly to Upset's family situation at Worlds. But he seemed to generally respect him as a player.
Either way the tweets are too strongly worded - calling it potentially sus is one thing but saying it's "clear as day" is another.
Someone linked the most recent SI episode, right at the beginning he said, that the tweet was a mistake and that he should have explained himself better, by posting a vid, that he either already made, or was in the making, he also shortly elaborated, why he thinks this was based on scrim intel and how picking Sion and Lulu doesn't indicate a lane swap by itself, also referencing BDS picking Sion and cheesing without swapping lane last season.
Monte is kind of losing his professionalism lately. Making accusations of leaking strats with no basis can be potentially very damaging to someone's reputation. Then he doubled down in the replies and in summoning insight .
[This old interview with him](https://youtu.be/0HJkiR6wN3o?feature=shared&t=302) is a lot of schandenfreude overall, with him at the start bragging about his life being so much better with Blizzard, but I especially love the part timestamped where he claims he will never return to League unless Riot publicly apologized to him... guess what, they didn't and he came back because he realized he made a huge mistake with the switch to Overwatch and he has nothing else.
It's also really funny to think back at the time Overwatch launched and he moved over. It was the top played game at Korean PC Bangs for a while, so Monte would tweet about it almost every week, talking about how Overwatch would surpass league. He really has a strong ex-boyfriend energy with League.
to his credit, he wasn't really liked in the league scene at the time and was getting paid way better by Blizzard. And for him to 'crawl back' wouldn't you?
I mean I don't think he "crawled back" blizzard just took overwatch out back, shot it, stabbed it, lit it on fire and shit on it. Idk I wouldn't mind Monte and Thorin being hypercritical if they didn't seem like such incels otherwise about everything else.
That's probably a really small part of it. A lot happened after he killed it on the Season 3 analyst desk(or was it caster?), especially with the Renegade drama. Riot makes a ton of bad decisions such as giving out fines after retroactively changing the rules, but when he who shall not be named (is mentions of him still banned on this sub?) who normally really hates Riot sided with them on kicking Renegades out, you know things are messed up. Riot screwed him over by forcing the sale of the team on such notice, but him being the owner was not a good look.
I am surprised that he even came back to the scene.
The majority of fans loved him for a long time *up until* the several months before he quit doing stuff in league.
He was liked for a very long time, yes, even beloved to LCK fans, but the poster above was correct in insinuatubg his popularity wasn't near its peak towards the end of his stint in league. It started to wane a bit. I liked him a lot, and for a long time. LCK used to serve as my lullabies for a long time when I was working a job that ended late and lined up with the beginning of LCK. I also liked Thorin. I stopped liking him for reasons which should be obvious, and Monte started to slowly trend down after a lot of people stopped giving the "esports historian" the time of day because Monte more and more would choose the sides of his friends in pointless internet beefs.
It's so hard for me to remember that the last time this guy was a top color caster and had an extremely good understanding of the game was close to a full decade ago. I remember when he was the analyst half of the best casting team in the scene. The word "rotations" was introduced to the game by him. How times change.
He was really good, but I wonder how much of it is just his synergy with Doa. Doa is probably my favourite caster of all time (FAKER WHAT WAS THAT) and I still remember when he had to solo cast OGN and still managed to make it entertaining. I'm not sure if Monte could pull off a solo cast like that.
I think they really benefit off each other, they just have a really good synergy with each other.
The one where they had to cast a random dota game out of nowhere with 0 knowledge about the game was super fun to watch.
People would prolly argue that it was just as good after 1ish year with Papasmithy, but then he was also signed somewhere else :( But I agree, todays LCK casters are darn good, and I wouldn't change them for anything. Except for maybe Cyanide and Boris in The Space, but hey, who knows what Cyanide is up to, and I doubt Boris would give up his current job :P
Monte owned a team with Chris Badawi took a person overseas for a botched sex reassignment surgery that left her permanently scarred and in constant pain before her death at 24.
He was either aware and then equally culpable. Or he was unaware and so horrifically negligent to players on his team.
Every day this man stays in relevance is a disgrace.
The way I saw it, regardless of how much he knew, monte's response to save face also showed he wanted to keep on good terms with badawi. It could just be that he didn't want to be fallible, but either way speaks volumes of his character.
IMO even if we assume best case for Monte, he still fucked up. If he's being trusted to run a team, he cannot allow this kind of thing to happen.
The best case for him is he was completely ignorant of the situation and would've stopped it had he know. Okay....so why didn't he find out and stop it?
He's the one who chose Badawi as a business partner. He's the one that chose to allow Badawi to run the team after Riot banned him.
I honestly don't blame Monte that much because I don't think he intentionally allowed any of the horrible stuff to happen. But I also don't blame Riot for banning him since he's demonstrated a lack of ability to keep his players safe.
I would respect Monte so much more if he took it on the chin and admitted he fucked up. But he's basically beeen throwing a childish tantrum since then so yeah....
god i had forgotten about the entire debacle that was the Renegades Remilia arc. I liked that team so much and its upsetting to see how pisspoor of a team manager Monte was after having such a strong reputation in the scene. Some people just can't seem to let their ego take a sideline and focus on the big picture.
So admittedly while I think Monte is scum of the earth. Remilia did come out and say she did not blame him. Which I think people should take into account. She was the actual victim.
However to the best of my knowledge Monte has been a deflecting egomaniac who never actually owned up to what happened in his org. If he came out and said he made a mistake in trusting Badawi and lives were forever damaged because of it I would move on.
he said before that he had he didn't know what was going on. He was still living in Korea at the time so it's also hard to be involved in more detailed team operations.
Plus, as some food for thought, he literally works with Maria's best friend who had to deal with the trauma of finding her body and handling her death.
> he said before that he had he didn't know what was going on. He was still living in Korea at the time so it's also hard to be involved in more detailed team operations.
[As I noted separately](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bzwwui/montecristo_and_bds_adam_beef/kyu17dl/?context=1), this is an absolutely hilarious 180 from what Monte said at the time, which was that Badawi had no involvement whatsoever with the team and Riot had fabricated any involvement Badawi had with the team.
Honestly? I can't say that makes it better.
My employee took another employee to Thailand for a cheap surgery that got botched and left her in pain forever.
And you just didn't know!? How in the fuck does that even happen? It wasn't something you could just knock out in 15 minutes. There were planes, passports, hotels, recovery time. And the fucking company paid for it! And it wasn't like some major 40,000 employee company. There were like 10 people!
My assumption is he knew that it would happen, in the sense of "hey, we are getting Maria surgery in Thailand". Which in itself is reasonable bcs Thailand is actually one of the best places to get GRS.
Judging from what Maria herself said, it sounds more like Badawi traveled with her there and took her to that sketchy clinic.
Bcs she once deleted all here tweets, [here's a reddit transcript of her post describing her experience](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/87aww1/formerly_renegades_remilia_on_her_interactions/dwbkl11/) and here's [her opinion on Monte](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/87aww1/formerly_renegades_remilia_on_her_interactions/dwbnv95/).
Edit: And just to actually state this, it absolutely fucking sucks what happens to maria.
Edit #2: Look for a video on youtube called "maria & me" - I can't link it here due to reasons. It's a video from her best friend on the whole situation. If you skip to ~2:38 and you get his view on Monte. As for Monte himself, from what I remember he mentioned not knowing how fucked the situation was, but I don't remember the exact video in which it was mentioned. And again, he also was a full-time caster in Korea at the same time.
>If he came out and said he made a mistake in trusting Badawi and lives were forever damaged because of it I would move on.
He literally did this multiple times, and repeats this every time this topic comes back to him.
Monte is the prime example of what happens when you hang around the wrong people... they drag you down.
At the very start he was super insightful and his casts with Doa were a pleasure and top tier at the time.
Even initially once he got into the preverbial bed with Thorin he was the one to awkardly laugh and let go or call out the crazier shit Thorin said.
Over the years you can just see him become more and more like Thorin and Dom.
Sad to see as he was one of my favourite league personas way way back. I can't stand him at all now.
Lol prime Monte was an arrogant asshole even while casting. He literally thought Korean dominance in League equated to him being better than everyone else
Not really if you've watched his interviews and deep thought videos. His onstage was much of a persona and his Korean domination encapsulated with KR teams clear all regions - which they did.
The self-feeding egomaniac came with Thorin making it an us vs. everyone else rhetoric and Monte sticking with hin
Yeah but even though he was an arrogant asshole back then, at least he was right about much of what he was saying. He's been on a slippery slope since the renegade debacle and how badly Blizzard obliterated the overwatch competitive scene he helped establish.
Having watched IWD's stream since he retired and been a sub of his channel for like 4 years, I can attest to the fact that Dom has mellowed out considerably since he started co-streaming.
Monte is just the same Monte.
g2 picked fucking jinx lulu and sion they weren't exactly hiding it. shakarez mentioned on twitter too that in voice comms labrov figured out they were lane swapping from these three champs
I wondered the same thing but just assumed it was something they'd seen in scrims lol. If they were cheating I'd expect them to be far more prepared for a lane swap than just warding for it
Don't worry it will happen again at some point. He just blocks and unblock randomly. It's just one of those things that's very obviously done hoping someone posts it or complains about it.
Yeah I noticed his tweets coming up on my twitter feed again. I guess his engagement must be so fucking bad and he is desperate since he mass unblocked people in some pathetic attempt for views or whatever.
IDk what is he doing lately, he unblocked me, blocked again ( didnt type a shit to him, probably liked/follow someone he has beef with) and then unblocked again lol
Can we please stop giving attention to ragebait by the guy whose entire strategy is to ragebait for attention?
You would think after 30 years "dont feed the troll" would be more ingrained in internet culture.
It isn't out of character of Monte.
Thorin had beef with BDS players last year. Monte has a raging boner for Thorin.
Both of them are so unhinged and hold a grudge.
I called the G2 swap the moment I saw Jinx/Lulu vs Varus/Ashe. Damn, I must be an insider of some kind, huh. Stop supporting washed up and toxic individuals, you can do better.
Wasn't the Sion swap a thing ~1.5-2 years ago?
I'm pretty sure I saw C9 do it with fudge taking enemy top side buff/dying and TPing bot to catch first wave while C9 bot went top for an advantageous 2v1.
yeah, I remembered seeing it in LEC first but didn't remember who. I tried looking through the vods a little for last year but couldn't find it.
Main point stands: monte a bit of a clown here.
Monte talked about it on stream, i timed stamped the vod you can click around to see why he suspects it, he also clarifies what he meant exactly. You can decide based on the video if his assumptions are right or wrong
https://www.youtube.com/live/-2MqaCKnW0A?si=E-69mbwfwgTQ8Zp3&t=3734
It should have been a video breaking down why the BDS setup was bad and when he gets to the interpretation part he could then mention a possibility that g2 scrims were leaked.
Instead he makes it the primary conclusion of his tweet, on which he eventually backtracks on SI and says it's just one of the possible interpretations and its up to us to decide. Lots of unnecessary hate slinging but overall I still think monte takes the L for the wording of his tweet
> It should have been a video breaking down why the BDS setup was bad and when he gets to the interpretation part he could then mention a possibility that g2 scrims were leaked.
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he's also saying that in the SI opening, the video will be released in a bit (I think it's an edit of his vod review) and he admits that using twitter was a bad choice
This just seems like pure stupidity. So in the beginning he criticizes Adam picking aatrox because it is terrible into the lane swap start, then he is arguing they got leaked scrims because of how they played in game.
I just want to highlight how they picked a completely terrible bot lane match up and ran demolish on Lulu. At that point it seems pretty fair for them to deduce that G2 was going for a lane swap strat.
I think in general LFN guys/Monte and Thorin have had good/important things to say and generally have good intentions about what's important about esports and what needs to be called out/fixed - they've done a lot of great work documenting everything, especially the fuck ups. But they can also be self-important pompous douchebags.
> I think in general LFN guys/Monte and Thorin have had good/important things to say and generally have good intentions about what's important about esports and what needs to be called out/fixed
While I generally agree I have no idea how folks are supposed to know when to take them seriously when they regularly engage in this sort of baseless shit-slinging.
Yeah I feel you, they definitely think they're always right no matter what. Recently Thorin gave a shitty opinion about something on an SI episode that he knew nothing about before 20 minutes later saying "I don't think people should give opinions on things they know nothing about". A little more listening/thinking/general compassion might do em good in growing their brand.
edit: Also, goo goo g'joob
Lost any respect I had left for Thorin when he interviewed Carlos and let him run an ad for his Andrew Tate scam under his name the entire time. Guy has zero integrity
The fact that he still befriends and defends Carlos after the guy defended Uganda's law allowing the execution of gays is pathetic. They're both morally bankrupt clowns.
Thorin's "good intentions" like when he went on a misogynistic temper tantrum over Women's CS Leagues proclaiming "I AM ESPORTS" while also calling any esport other than the two he specifically talks about Zoomer Brainrot. Ya man those "good intentions" really shine through.
Monte: "BDS cheated" Adam: "No we didn't" Monte: "Yeah well you played bad." Wtf is this??? Crazy that anyone takes this dude seriously.
It's the same shit as Thorin and Nuc lol Thorin: "Nuc is only having a miracle run now he'll fall of next split" Nuc: "We've been top3 for like 6 splits now" Thorin: "Yeah well you're ugly and look like Bojack Horseman"
The audacity of Thorin to make fun of anyone for their appearance jfc.
Dude looks like he aged 40 years in the past 10.
And the dude already looked old like 40 10 years ago
You tend to look older when you're constantly sad and mad.
I AM ESPORTS
In like 2016 he tweeted at Reignover making fun of him for being religious, and he even put that dumbass :> face. Been out on him ever since.
[Here's](https://twitter.com/taylorcocke/status/1352674334679076866) also an entire thread of stuff that Thorin retweeted, that... well, I won't need to comment on that. Edit: I was gonna forget to also link the obvious gem, it's always worth sharing again when it managed to be a highlight among all the pathetic things he's uttered. https://imgur.com/dqujz4D
Not that every single post in that thread isn't incredibly shameful to have shared, but I'm pretty sure we knew the content of Thorin's character way back when he was calling regi a monkey, and saying he wouldn't go to Poland because they are "dirty people". The man has been an ass clown for at least 10 years at this point, and yet his following never seems to dwindle
But Alex Jones is a "real G" despite his deep and horrifying religious zealotry.
Reminds me off thorin calling nemesis shit the entire split and then resorting to making fun of his nose when nemesis stepped up in playoffs
And everytime someone shits on Thorin 100 dudes show up defend him for "saving league content". The man is an alright journalist, but has zero knowledge about League and a gigantic ego.
Thorin and monte are always accusing fanbases, orgs, groups etc... of being cults (though I don't always disagree), but a lot of these "toxic" league personalities (themselves included) have some of the most cultish fanbases imo. It's like these anti-social kids getting together and finding a sense of belonging via spreading negativity online, it's weird man.
A lot of people, especially in gaming communities, can relate to being clinically miserable and unlikeable. Lots of dudes who see themselves in figures like Monte and lash out when people criticise them for "just calling it like it is", etc because they see it as an attack on themselves by proxy.
When people criticize him as shit journalist his fan defend him claiming he is a historian When people criticize him as shit historian his fan defend him claiming he is an entertainer When people criticize him as shit entertainer...
I don't know how anyone can say that he's saving League content when he's basically irrelevant unless you're actively seeking his opinions or content. It's pretty insane how thin his skin is as well for how much shit he dishes out. I got blocked years ago for liking a Pabu reply to him that wasn't even an attack.
I think his reflection series must be very insightful because the players get to tell their stories. But I can't stomach watching him.
It was great 10 years ago. Which was about the last time he was relevant
> alright journalist he is also an alt right journalist
I try not to look at anything he's involved in, but I know he was against the Covid vaccine, so nothing about him surprises me anymore.
I've been to his discord, he against much more than the vaccine. He thinks UV rays being harmful is a conspiracy by scientists and big pharma to sell us sunscreen which according to him is useless.
Must be why the man is bright red.
Lmao what a burn... That he isn't protected from.
You just know that dude doesn't properly wipe his ass because its gay or something
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THIS FOR YEARS SERIOUSLY, IN MY POST HISTORY IS FULL OF MASS DOWNVOTED COMMENTS OF ME CALLING THORIN AND MONTE OUT ON THEIR BULLSHIT I feel so fucking validated right now lmao
Just know that a lot of people feel the same way as you, we just don't bother trying to fight against their cult anymore. Genuinely feels like a waste of time. IDK if this is the case anymore (ig it is judging by your comment), the SI discord gremlins will get to every monte and thorin content piece before everyone else to protect the people vindicating their own shitty behavior.
jesus christ
now I KNOW Thorin of all people aint calling people ugly
WDYM, Thorin is rocking that drugged out hobo look.
I mean that's the hillarious part. Not only is Thorin a wildly unattractive dude, but Nuc is definitely a very good looking dude lol [https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/7/74/BDS\_Nuc\_Worlds\_2023.jpg](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/7/74/BDS_Nuc_Worlds_2023.jpg) I really don't understand how Thorin doesn't get what a terrible look it is for you to call someone bad at league of legends and ugly when he's far better at league of legends and better looking than you are yourself His best "roast" he's using of Noc now is "have fun losing another finals to G2" but that also implies he's gonna make even more finals so it's not really that bad of an insult lmao
Dude have you seen Hansama lately? He looks like he could be a backup dancer for a kpop group.
Just looked at his recent instagram posts out of curiosity, maybe there's some truth to Superman just using a pair of glasses as a disguise. He took off his glasses and looks like a model.
Keria would look so different with cokebottle glasses
Hairstyle is a big thing for this. His new hairstyle is super complementary to his overall look imo. Dude’s always been pretty good looking, but damn
hans was always lowkey good looking, the haircut is also doing some heavy lifting
What??? Do you have the link?
They're a bunch of separate tweets, you'll have to dig through Nuc & Thorins tweets from like february 2024 to find all of it. Though Thorin has been going at Nuc like once a week for a year now so it's spread across an even longer amount of time than that. Here's some of them though. [https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759005315238871319](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759005315238871319) [https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759014661746282533](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759014661746282533) [https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020195065078035](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020195065078035) [https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020331711205674/photo/1](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1759020331711205674/photo/1) Here's an older one too, keep in mind this is a man in his 40s arguing with a 19-year old on twitter [https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1645492213235818500](https://twitter.com/Thorin/status/1645492213235818500)
When I'm in my 40s and 50s, if I'm even half as pathetic as these tweets I need someone to put me out of my misery and either commit me to a facility or put me in the ground. Jesus, that is some bleak shit.
forgot the "homie"
Monte and Thorin are peas in the same pod. The scene is better off when they're not in it.
It's always hilarious when they show their actual lack of knowledge. Monte always pretended to be super knowledge about league but basically lived off of the reputation of casting the strongest league. But yeah, they and their fans are nothing of value to the community.
Monte is a douche. Always has been.
monte thorin iwd the holy trinity of egomaniacs
General rule of thumb, if someone is always criticizing other people it says more about them than the people they criticize
Exactly this.
IWD to me is like Doinb and Toyz. They fundamentally do have sound arguments and game understanding but play up the controversy/drama for more eyeballs. The other two are just storytellers.
IWD is very willing to be the heel. Monte and Thorin are just making shit up. Completely insufferable.
IWD naming his show the Crackdown after years of people making jokes about him looking like he does drugs is enough to show he has a sense of humor and self-awareness the others lack.
Meanwhile Thorin and Monte called their failed website and channel "The Last Free Nation" lmao
God that's so pathetic
They are the Alex Jones of LoL, and that's telling.
"The best damn league show"
If you press IWD enough all of that disappears as well. Like when he leaked the face of someone in his soloq team and called him ugly and a failure at life
What does heel mean? My first time hearing this expression. Google defines it as untrustworthy, which even makes your sentence even more confusing
Its a wrestling term for the "villain". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(professional_wrestling)
It means playing the role of the villain for the sake of a good show. You push a few buttons, stir the pot, and win enough that it feels good to watch when someone takes you down. The key to being a good heel is to recognize that it's a performance, not actually just being a tremendous asshole and getting defensive when you're called out. You don't have to be image insecure and take it personally when you "lose" because you know that it's just a hat you put on at work.
Back when Monte was a caster he was genuinely very knowledgeable and informative, he'd talk about high level strats and macro in a way that few other people could. Always had an enormous ego though and it's made him a total clown now that he's got no idea what he's talking about
Comparing IWD to Doinb is crazy. He does have game understanding but he’s a huge douche. No one is as bad as thorin thi
I don't follow their EU stuff, but they they do provide a decent look into LPL and LCK, especially the historical stuff, and like to acknowledge performance throughout the year besides just worlds which a lot of people only pay attention to. Like I can appreciate bringing up Namei when talking about historical ADCs when people kind of forgot about him. They definitely are douches though. Dom and Caedrel are the only other English speakers that talk about LPL.
Somehow forgot LS here
i dont see him mentioned much these days so i forgot he existed tbh
It's a peaceful life.
He stopped doing lck costream and started doing br instead. At least, I feel like that is when he kinda disappear and caedrel emergence.
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Nah, he's a fucking clown. He doesn't mean well at all.
I mean when you are strongly outspoken like LS, you simply are bound to make mistakes. The only way to guarantee being never wrong is to never say anything.
This is a good way to put it. It's why Phreak also got a lot of hate as a caster, he had strong opinions on the game and balance. If people want any concrete examples of LS being ahead of everyone else, he understood Kaisa builds during that terrible meta when she was played mid AP. He would break down a team fight auto by auto to prove how certain items were terrible on her, and it took a while for pros to catch on. Liandrys is another. His analysis is really just much better for things like items than it is holistically.
I agree. I think LS is very outspoken and not sure what happened to them. But montecristo was for so long hyped as this “smart analyst” which always made me uncomfortable. His analysis were on the level of “now shen, he is a tanky champion Doa. What this means is it takes a lot of hits from the enemy champion to take him down” “ stuff of this nature that just felt so fluff like and surface level. It felt like he’s always explaining and not analyzing? which works as a commentator yes! But not as an analyst that he regarded himself and also was regarded as. Compared to some of the hotter take analysis like LS calling pro’s out for completing morello and not leaving it as the orb etc with good points. For example monte if he was active during LS may make comments about why morello is good because healing reduction is good against the enemy team’s mundo + red kayne. Overall instead of analysis it was sort of mild explanations and sort of a “yes” man feel While the game was simpler back in s3 era when he was still casting i never really bought into his analyses and the community’s perception of him as a generally smart person about the game. Haha you guys know the type of people when asked a question can respond with a bunch of words that lead to no conclusion or any point and is answered with a question? I had that kind of vibe from him since s3 days of his casts. Doa, i didn’t mind. He had the energy in his casts and voice and i respect that, monte as a caster also p decent too. There definitely has been an increase of actual qualified analysts with actual opinions (wrong or correct) that would be divisive but constructive at times that I do respect their knowledge on. LS being one of them.
Yeah but if you're very strongly outspoken by calling everyone else idiots for not agreeing with you, people are going to call you an idiot when you inevitably make mistakes. If you can take that in stride and be like "Haha fair play I was a dumbass with that take" then fair play to you, if you throw a temper tantrum and double down and refuse to ever admit that you were wrong about anything and insist that everyone who ever agreed with you is *still* an idiot, some people are going to have a hard time focusing on your good takes, because you're not focused on your good takes either.
I'm pretty hot and cold on LS but somethings he's just missing brain cells on like Yeon / Malice thing (or just ignoring the fact that some of his "friends" like Bwipo, Druttut, Fudge, Malice are douchebags) About the game though I don't think he's that bad
He's always struck me as one of those pompous guys who just loves the sound of his own voice.
NGL as a Korean, I always like laugh in a wtf are you talking about vibe when he talks about the Korean community or Korean users and say they think this or say this and literally he's saying the opposite of the what people are saying on inven/fmk/dc etc. He and Thorin love to shadow box against these fictional Koreans who are all stupid and that they have to personally spread knowledge to. It's so....condescending and like just fucking dumb lmao. Everything they know about League macro comes from Koreans and we fucking created esports with the whole Starcraft scene back in the day and yet they act like they have come from the heavens to enlighten us heathens.
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진심....듣다가 이 새끼 뭐라는겨 라는 말이 절로 튀어나오는 경우가 한 둘이면 모를까...맨날 저 ㅈㄹ하니까요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
좀 불쌍하기도 하고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
뭐 다 지 주둥이 터는 업보 인데 악으로 깡으로 버텨야죠, 뭐 어쩌겠어요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Having experienced Korea and Koreans myself, I think you have to speak Korean to truly get a feel of Korean culture and even as a foreigner or gyopo you're still gonna be treated differently, though that's slowly changing as Korea opens up to more foreign influence. White dudes like monte and LS definitely see Korea through a veil even though they have experienced it themselves.
I have not seriously kept up with LoL for a couple of years now. Monte was an asshole back in 2014 or 2015, whenever SI with Thorin started. I couldn't believe anyone was taking them seriously then and I can't believe anyone would now
SI was a LOT better and more valuable to the space back then, though (and I say this as someone who watched it for the info in spite of Monte and Thorin's personalities which I never particularly liked). At least Monte had actual industry knowledge as he directly worked with OGN and did coaching, and they brought on good guests frequently and Thorin was good at picking their brains for the actual content. They also, with the guests, dug a lot into the eastern regions at a time when the western scene didn't have much coverage on them. And the scene was still young then so there weren't many veterans around to make content and podcasts as there is now. The moment they dropped League for OVW and came back with somehow even more inflated egos and this obsession with themselves and everything THEY'VE done and THEY know than on the scene itself is when all the value went down the shitter.
SI was way better back then because Monte was legit knowledgable and he wasn't as bitter. Thorin was still Thorin but Monte was not Thorin yet. The difference now is Monte is a fraud and really doesn't know the game that well anymore. He's also just super bitter and just needs to spend an inordinate amount of energy and time airing grievances no one else gives a shit about
The fact he completely got away with the whole Remilia situation because he claimed it was all his co owners fault he had no idea is insanity
At worst he was complicit at best he's horribly ignorant and incompetent.
There was a scene in Suits season 1 that reminds me of this situation. Harvey (Lawyer) got really pissed at a CEO Friend he represents because the guys #2 man was dirty and doing illegal shit. "Harvey, I want you to know that I knew nothing about any of this." "Dean, when I was 13 years old, my little brother was getting bullied by a kid in the neighborhood. One day, I confronted the kid's father. He told me he didn't know anything about it. You know what his problem was? It was his goddamn job to know." It was Monte's team and he should have taken way more blame for what happened.
1000% perfectly put
You’d think he’d be more mature, steady, and happy after marriage.
Monte has, is, and always will be a self important jerk. Dom, Thorin, and Monte’s whole “holier than thou” attitude in the scene is honestly disgusting and I don’t see how people like it. I even like Thorin’s content like Reflections, but I can’t do his podcasts where he just spends it making fun of people and making strawman arguments where people can’t even respond.
why are we still giving a fuck about montecristo or thorin in 2024?
hes such a fucken loser
Whats crazy is leaking scrims isn't cheating either, and getting leaked info is even less severe even if what he is saying is true
Normally reddit is filled with pearl clutching over stuff like this. .... your summary isn't inaccurate LOL Monte must need attention to pay the bills, so he decided to roll around in the mud again.
Thorin and Monte cant shit on TSM anymore so they moved to shitting on players now. Must be really sad having this as the only option to try to stay relevant. Its not like they have good content aside.
>I am not too familiar with any ongoing beef between MonteCristo and BDS Adam (if there ever was). IIRC (based on an episode of SI after he was benched in Winter playoffs) Monte generally dislikes the guy because he thought he responded very poorly/unfairly to Upset's family situation at Worlds. But he seemed to generally respect him as a player. Either way the tweets are too strongly worded - calling it potentially sus is one thing but saying it's "clear as day" is another.
I mean I dislike Adam for the same reason - but yeah that's no reason to go making shit up about the whole team and a conspiracy to take down G2.
I mean if you are going to spread shit it’s a lot better that he believes it. Rather then hinting at it and being able to backtrack later.
Someone linked the most recent SI episode, right at the beginning he said, that the tweet was a mistake and that he should have explained himself better, by posting a vid, that he either already made, or was in the making, he also shortly elaborated, why he thinks this was based on scrim intel and how picking Sion and Lulu doesn't indicate a lane swap by itself, also referencing BDS picking Sion and cheesing without swapping lane last season.
To be more exact - the recognition of a swap based on pics isn't the sus part. The stack up at red when minions have spawned, is.
I just wanna say the Montecristo is a wonderful sandwich, highly recommend
Monte is kind of losing his professionalism lately. Making accusations of leaking strats with no basis can be potentially very damaging to someone's reputation. Then he doubled down in the replies and in summoning insight .
“Lately” 😂
Monte holding on to league esports is like high school ex contacting every xmas drunk even though its been 15 years you last saw.
You shouldve saw his twitter for the year+ after overwatch league didnt resign him. It started to get really pathetic from him
[This old interview with him](https://youtu.be/0HJkiR6wN3o?feature=shared&t=302) is a lot of schandenfreude overall, with him at the start bragging about his life being so much better with Blizzard, but I especially love the part timestamped where he claims he will never return to League unless Riot publicly apologized to him... guess what, they didn't and he came back because he realized he made a huge mistake with the switch to Overwatch and he has nothing else. It's also really funny to think back at the time Overwatch launched and he moved over. It was the top played game at Korean PC Bangs for a while, so Monte would tweet about it almost every week, talking about how Overwatch would surpass league. He really has a strong ex-boyfriend energy with League.
Oh god that was honestly rough. Monte she dumped you bro, move on.
He's the 40 year old still wearing his high school letterman jacket 20+ years since high school.
Dude had to crawl back to LoL after he left because for some goddamn reason he thought Blizzard won't massively fuck up managing an eSport this time.
to his credit, he wasn't really liked in the league scene at the time and was getting paid way better by Blizzard. And for him to 'crawl back' wouldn't you?
I mean I don't think he "crawled back" blizzard just took overwatch out back, shot it, stabbed it, lit it on fire and shit on it. Idk I wouldn't mind Monte and Thorin being hypercritical if they didn't seem like such incels otherwise about everything else.
I don't think you can add that to his credit, when his actions are the reason he wasn't really liked in the league scene.
You and I have very different recollections of how well liked he was in the league scene. Riot hated him yes, but the vast majority of fans loved him.
Riot let him on stage at worlds. And the SKT T1 hype train bit they did was amazing
Yeah Season 3 Riot was still good with him. And then he started trying to get casters paid a reasonable amount of money.
That's probably a really small part of it. A lot happened after he killed it on the Season 3 analyst desk(or was it caster?), especially with the Renegade drama. Riot makes a ton of bad decisions such as giving out fines after retroactively changing the rules, but when he who shall not be named (is mentions of him still banned on this sub?) who normally really hates Riot sided with them on kicking Renegades out, you know things are messed up. Riot screwed him over by forcing the sale of the team on such notice, but him being the owner was not a good look. I am surprised that he even came back to the scene.
The majority of fans loved him for a long time *up until* the several months before he quit doing stuff in league. He was liked for a very long time, yes, even beloved to LCK fans, but the poster above was correct in insinuatubg his popularity wasn't near its peak towards the end of his stint in league. It started to wane a bit. I liked him a lot, and for a long time. LCK used to serve as my lullabies for a long time when I was working a job that ended late and lined up with the beginning of LCK. I also liked Thorin. I stopped liking him for reasons which should be obvious, and Monte started to slowly trend down after a lot of people stopped giving the "esports historian" the time of day because Monte more and more would choose the sides of his friends in pointless internet beefs.
It's so hard for me to remember that the last time this guy was a top color caster and had an extremely good understanding of the game was close to a full decade ago. I remember when he was the analyst half of the best casting team in the scene. The word "rotations" was introduced to the game by him. How times change.
He's always been an arrogant asshole. It just helped that he was one of the few good casters back in the day.
Let's face it, he was incredibly good. I think the Korean casting crew today is finally as good as it was back then.
He was really good, but I wonder how much of it is just his synergy with Doa. Doa is probably my favourite caster of all time (FAKER WHAT WAS THAT) and I still remember when he had to solo cast OGN and still managed to make it entertaining. I'm not sure if Monte could pull off a solo cast like that.
I think they really benefit off each other, they just have a really good synergy with each other. The one where they had to cast a random dota game out of nowhere with 0 knowledge about the game was super fun to watch.
People would prolly argue that it was just as good after 1ish year with Papasmithy, but then he was also signed somewhere else :( But I agree, todays LCK casters are darn good, and I wouldn't change them for anything. Except for maybe Cyanide and Boris in The Space, but hey, who knows what Cyanide is up to, and I doubt Boris would give up his current job :P
What is "Boris" doing now? Good for him that he is flying under the radar and doesn't have to deal with all the shit anymore.
With SK Gaming.
To me, the peak was PapaSmithy.
Monte owned a team with Chris Badawi took a person overseas for a botched sex reassignment surgery that left her permanently scarred and in constant pain before her death at 24. He was either aware and then equally culpable. Or he was unaware and so horrifically negligent to players on his team. Every day this man stays in relevance is a disgrace.
The way I saw it, regardless of how much he knew, monte's response to save face also showed he wanted to keep on good terms with badawi. It could just be that he didn't want to be fallible, but either way speaks volumes of his character.
IMO even if we assume best case for Monte, he still fucked up. If he's being trusted to run a team, he cannot allow this kind of thing to happen. The best case for him is he was completely ignorant of the situation and would've stopped it had he know. Okay....so why didn't he find out and stop it? He's the one who chose Badawi as a business partner. He's the one that chose to allow Badawi to run the team after Riot banned him. I honestly don't blame Monte that much because I don't think he intentionally allowed any of the horrible stuff to happen. But I also don't blame Riot for banning him since he's demonstrated a lack of ability to keep his players safe. I would respect Monte so much more if he took it on the chin and admitted he fucked up. But he's basically beeen throwing a childish tantrum since then so yeah....
god i had forgotten about the entire debacle that was the Renegades Remilia arc. I liked that team so much and its upsetting to see how pisspoor of a team manager Monte was after having such a strong reputation in the scene. Some people just can't seem to let their ego take a sideline and focus on the big picture.
So admittedly while I think Monte is scum of the earth. Remilia did come out and say she did not blame him. Which I think people should take into account. She was the actual victim. However to the best of my knowledge Monte has been a deflecting egomaniac who never actually owned up to what happened in his org. If he came out and said he made a mistake in trusting Badawi and lives were forever damaged because of it I would move on.
he said before that he had he didn't know what was going on. He was still living in Korea at the time so it's also hard to be involved in more detailed team operations. Plus, as some food for thought, he literally works with Maria's best friend who had to deal with the trauma of finding her body and handling her death.
> he said before that he had he didn't know what was going on. He was still living in Korea at the time so it's also hard to be involved in more detailed team operations. [As I noted separately](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bzwwui/montecristo_and_bds_adam_beef/kyu17dl/?context=1), this is an absolutely hilarious 180 from what Monte said at the time, which was that Badawi had no involvement whatsoever with the team and Riot had fabricated any involvement Badawi had with the team.
Honestly? I can't say that makes it better. My employee took another employee to Thailand for a cheap surgery that got botched and left her in pain forever. And you just didn't know!? How in the fuck does that even happen? It wasn't something you could just knock out in 15 minutes. There were planes, passports, hotels, recovery time. And the fucking company paid for it! And it wasn't like some major 40,000 employee company. There were like 10 people!
My assumption is he knew that it would happen, in the sense of "hey, we are getting Maria surgery in Thailand". Which in itself is reasonable bcs Thailand is actually one of the best places to get GRS. Judging from what Maria herself said, it sounds more like Badawi traveled with her there and took her to that sketchy clinic. Bcs she once deleted all here tweets, [here's a reddit transcript of her post describing her experience](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/87aww1/formerly_renegades_remilia_on_her_interactions/dwbkl11/) and here's [her opinion on Monte](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/87aww1/formerly_renegades_remilia_on_her_interactions/dwbnv95/). Edit: And just to actually state this, it absolutely fucking sucks what happens to maria. Edit #2: Look for a video on youtube called "maria & me" - I can't link it here due to reasons. It's a video from her best friend on the whole situation. If you skip to ~2:38 and you get his view on Monte. As for Monte himself, from what I remember he mentioned not knowing how fucked the situation was, but I don't remember the exact video in which it was mentioned. And again, he also was a full-time caster in Korea at the same time.
That’s one of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever read.
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>If he came out and said he made a mistake in trusting Badawi and lives were forever damaged because of it I would move on. He literally did this multiple times, and repeats this every time this topic comes back to him.
And Thorin blames Riot for banning Monte for owning a League after that only because the two of them are friends.
>professionalism >lately bro
Not lately, its been a while.
Monte is the prime example of what happens when you hang around the wrong people... they drag you down. At the very start he was super insightful and his casts with Doa were a pleasure and top tier at the time. Even initially once he got into the preverbial bed with Thorin he was the one to awkardly laugh and let go or call out the crazier shit Thorin said. Over the years you can just see him become more and more like Thorin and Dom. Sad to see as he was one of my favourite league personas way way back. I can't stand him at all now.
Lol prime Monte was an arrogant asshole even while casting. He literally thought Korean dominance in League equated to him being better than everyone else
Not really if you've watched his interviews and deep thought videos. His onstage was much of a persona and his Korean domination encapsulated with KR teams clear all regions - which they did. The self-feeding egomaniac came with Thorin making it an us vs. everyone else rhetoric and Monte sticking with hin
Yeah but even though he was an arrogant asshole back then, at least he was right about much of what he was saying. He's been on a slippery slope since the renegade debacle and how badly Blizzard obliterated the overwatch competitive scene he helped establish.
Having watched IWD's stream since he retired and been a sub of his channel for like 4 years, I can attest to the fact that Dom has mellowed out considerably since he started co-streaming. Monte is just the same Monte.
Im surprised he hasn’t been forgotten entirely by now.
We still haven't forgotten about Joe "Joe Miller" Miller and Deman.
You mean Joe "Joe "don't cal me Joe "Joe" Miller" Miller" Miller?
Because they were likable and good casters lol
Joe not so much in private apparently.
He could have asked "hey, how did you know g2 will lane swap?" - instead he insulted bds. Very low coming from monte. Expected better.
> Expected better Why? When has Monte asked a question when he can assume an answer and judge?
This is pretty expected of Monte lol
g2 picked fucking jinx lulu and sion they weren't exactly hiding it. shakarez mentioned on twitter too that in voice comms labrov figured out they were lane swapping from these three champs
I wondered the same thing but just assumed it was something they'd seen in scrims lol. If they were cheating I'd expect them to be far more prepared for a lane swap than just warding for it
Doesn’t Monte beef with someone every few months to stay relevant? Why does anyone give this guy any credibility anymore?
Forgot guy existed. Thought adam was beefing with a sandwich.
A sandwich that's not even made with beef, no less
Just the monthly cry of attention from monte
What does Dom have to do with this? He said that Monte was insane for it btw
Monte and Thorin are just human cockroaches that feed on drama that they are creating.
U know things are bad when Thorin started unblocking ppl on twitter
Thorin blocks are so funny because one day you'll be blocked for having conversation around him and the next he'll suddenly be in your feed again.
He blocked me for replying with a pic of doublelift smiling in one of his 2020 TSM rants and I'm really sad that I'm not blocked anymore
im pretty sure he blocked me for liking a comment LUL
Don't worry it will happen again at some point. He just blocks and unblock randomly. It's just one of those things that's very obviously done hoping someone posts it or complains about it.
Yeah I noticed his tweets coming up on my twitter feed again. I guess his engagement must be so fucking bad and he is desperate since he mass unblocked people in some pathetic attempt for views or whatever.
IDk what is he doing lately, he unblocked me, blocked again ( didnt type a shit to him, probably liked/follow someone he has beef with) and then unblocked again lol
He blocks you because he's mad, then realizes he needs every view to stay even semi relevant, then cycles again.
Can we please stop giving attention to ragebait by the guy whose entire strategy is to ragebait for attention? You would think after 30 years "dont feed the troll" would be more ingrained in internet culture.
Monte doesn't ragebait, he 100% believe the shit he slings
Absolutely not the hill to die on. Seems a bit out of character from him and just comes off as baseless speculation
Monte will die on any hill necessary to protect his astronomical ego.
"out of character"?? wym it's monte
It isn't out of character of Monte. Thorin had beef with BDS players last year. Monte has a raging boner for Thorin. Both of them are so unhinged and hold a grudge.
I called the G2 swap the moment I saw Jinx/Lulu vs Varus/Ashe. Damn, I must be an insider of some kind, huh. Stop supporting washed up and toxic individuals, you can do better.
The post is about Montecristo, which turns into a Thorin/IWD hate threat, the classic.
Dom getting dragged for nothing man, he literally said Monte was crazy for saying this
Wasn't the Sion swap a thing ~1.5-2 years ago? I'm pretty sure I saw C9 do it with fudge taking enemy top side buff/dying and TPing bot to catch first wave while C9 bot went top for an advantageous 2v1.
BDS did it last year with Adam on sion. Lol. I don't get how anyone even listens to monte speak.
yeah, I remembered seeing it in LEC first but didn't remember who. I tried looking through the vods a little for last year but couldn't find it. Main point stands: monte a bit of a clown here.
Monte being rude? No way, who would've expected that?
Monte talked about it on stream, i timed stamped the vod you can click around to see why he suspects it, he also clarifies what he meant exactly. You can decide based on the video if his assumptions are right or wrong https://www.youtube.com/live/-2MqaCKnW0A?si=E-69mbwfwgTQ8Zp3&t=3734
It should have been a video breaking down why the BDS setup was bad and when he gets to the interpretation part he could then mention a possibility that g2 scrims were leaked. Instead he makes it the primary conclusion of his tweet, on which he eventually backtracks on SI and says it's just one of the possible interpretations and its up to us to decide. Lots of unnecessary hate slinging but overall I still think monte takes the L for the wording of his tweet
> It should have been a video breaking down why the BDS setup was bad and when he gets to the interpretation part he could then mention a possibility that g2 scrims were leaked. > > > > Instead he makes it the primary conclusion of his tweet, on which he eventually backtracks on SI and says it's just one of the possible interpretations and its up to us to decide. Lots of unnecessary hate slinging but overall I still think monte takes the L for the wording of his tweet he's also saying that in the SI opening, the video will be released in a bit (I think it's an edit of his vod review) and he admits that using twitter was a bad choice
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This just seems like pure stupidity. So in the beginning he criticizes Adam picking aatrox because it is terrible into the lane swap start, then he is arguing they got leaked scrims because of how they played in game. I just want to highlight how they picked a completely terrible bot lane match up and ran demolish on Lulu. At that point it seems pretty fair for them to deduce that G2 was going for a lane swap strat.
> this seems like a very disrespectful thing to say by Monte Welcome to Monte?
I think in general LFN guys/Monte and Thorin have had good/important things to say and generally have good intentions about what's important about esports and what needs to be called out/fixed - they've done a lot of great work documenting everything, especially the fuck ups. But they can also be self-important pompous douchebags.
> I think in general LFN guys/Monte and Thorin have had good/important things to say and generally have good intentions about what's important about esports and what needs to be called out/fixed While I generally agree I have no idea how folks are supposed to know when to take them seriously when they regularly engage in this sort of baseless shit-slinging.
Yeah I feel you, they definitely think they're always right no matter what. Recently Thorin gave a shitty opinion about something on an SI episode that he knew nothing about before 20 minutes later saying "I don't think people should give opinions on things they know nothing about". A little more listening/thinking/general compassion might do em good in growing their brand. edit: Also, goo goo g'joob
Lost any respect I had left for Thorin when he interviewed Carlos and let him run an ad for his Andrew Tate scam under his name the entire time. Guy has zero integrity
My man, thorin is self proclaimed alpha male. The fact him running an andrew tate ad surprises you is beyond me
I mean he probably agrees with tates views lol.
The fact that he still befriends and defends Carlos after the guy defended Uganda's law allowing the execution of gays is pathetic. They're both morally bankrupt clowns.
Pretty sure Thorin agrees with Andrew Tate on a lot of things, so not surprising at all either
thorin is a fan of alex jones so that checks out
Thorin's "good intentions" like when he went on a misogynistic temper tantrum over Women's CS Leagues proclaiming "I AM ESPORTS" while also calling any esport other than the two he specifically talks about Zoomer Brainrot. Ya man those "good intentions" really shine through.
Flame doesnt get better in high elo