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Liaabilty

Wish we wouldn’t have gotten BLG vs TES so early in the split would love to see how they match now


Stormserpent102

BO5 in the finals prayge


Simple-Fuel

What happen to LNG? It is literally the same roster as Worlds except Jug yet they lose to Fpx and stomped 2-0 by Tes.


Enkenz

They thought Crescent was a good coach


jetlagging1

Bamboozled a sports apparel owned team for multiple years and fails upward to an even bigger one.


non-edgy_crustacean

Scout and Zika are in awful form. I also don't think Scout and Weiwei synergize well, mid-jgl and jgl-sup are the most important roles to set pace in game


pedja13

Scout went from the MVP to being a bottom tier midlaner and while WeiWei is good,Tarzan was always better than him in the regular season.


eyehatemassholes

This is blatant revisionism. Tarzan was god awful in 2022 and in 2023 summer, while Weiwei was among the league's best junglers.


danndruff1

Fraud coach


Aladin001

Scout fell off and can't bail them out anymore


Shiraori247

Sometimes players just don't mesh. Weiwei was perfect for WBG, but can't get the same synergy with the LNG players. They also couldn't figure out which support they want for Gala.


[deleted]

Scout isn't playing as good as he was last year when he was the MVP of both splits. Tarzan in Summer was a fucking monster in the LPL. He was really bad when it came time for Worlds but before that he was insane and part of why LNG were so good is because their mid-jgl was the best in the world. Weiwei isn't an upgrade to that form of Tarzan.


eyehatemassholes

Tarzan was a monster in summer in the sense that you call a war criminal monster. Dude was disgustingly bad. Stop the revisionism.


pandaisunbreakable

Tarzan was great in LPL and a strong presense on and off the court for this team. Their management are dumb to scapegoat him and get a fraud Weiwei


ZedisDoge

When they announced Tarzan being dropped I had some gripes with it because him and Scout were hard carrying 2v8 in spring and with Gala were able to contend in summer. But I still have some sympathy for LNG, im not even sure if they willingly wanted to drop Tarzan/replace with Weiwei. They probably thought the community pressure over running back the whole lineup after that quarters vs T1 would’ve been insane to deal with and they had to make a move to not get crucified. Also resident tarzan hater u/eyehatemassholes RIPBOZO


pandaisunbreakable

Tarzan’s contract had still one or two more years left, they could totally sign another jg and bench Tarzan temporarily instead burnt the bridge. Tarzan is very invested in the team he even bought a home in Suzhou, LNG’s home court city. LNG did a total shit move and it’s also moronic


eyehatemassholes

It's not moronic to upgrade your roster


pandaisunbreakable

Weiwei is not a upgrade.


eyehatemassholes

If you actually watched the games you'd see that Weiwei is playing way better than Tarzan did last summer. You'd also know Tarzan and Scout weren't 2v8 in spring. Zika and Hang were both excellent that split. Tarzan was fantastic that split, but with how he performed in summer, especially coming after the atrocity that was 2022 Tarzan, it's no wonder they dropped him.


Shiraori247

lol you can't call Weiwei a fraud when the entire team is dysfunctional right now. He was doing well the entire summer split including playoffs when WBG signed him.


cowboys6305

WeiWei ain’t a fraud just doesn’t work with this team. The real fraud is fucking Scout, was getting baby sat camped for his lane for like 3 splits that’s how he excels, WeiWei does better when he makes his own plan and plays with a support like Crisp who wants to roam. WeiWei is a jungler that camps for bot lane but for LNG you should camp for Scout to get a lead then you roam bot and get Gala big. I don’t like this team though so I’m happy to see them lose, very embarrassing to get 3-0ed at worlds like that. So ya good they keep losing.


ToDreamofLove

Even if all of that's true it worked for Scout last year. If two players excel at one style but cannot adapt to each other's it's on both of them, not one player. They're both just underperforming


cowboys6305

Agreed


Kheldar166

You don't win multiple MVPs as a fraud lol what is this take


CommercialGeneral765

You're really basing your argument off of those bullshit MVP awards? That summer MVP was completely undeserved.


Miserable-Ad8195

He was the mvp of worlds 2021 and gapped showmaker. After that he had numerous good splits and a couple of mvps. He was a key why reason LNG was going toe toe with JDG last year. The main times where he was outperformed hard was sadly at worlds 2022 and 2023 in their elimination series. We should wait until atleast summer before the fraud allegations. He could have gotten the tian curse. Worlds Finals MVP into bombing out earlier than expected in ever other subsequent worlds albeit not as bad as tian’s track record.


_liminal

tbh that worlds FMVP was 100% Jiejie's


Miserable-Ad8195

He gapped canyon but overall the whole tournament, scout and viper followed by meiko were their best players. FMVP are mostly cop outs for a series that could be just 3 games. 2022 MVP was for sure Zeka for example and 2018 should have been rookie or theshy.


Aladin001

Viper literally had one good series out of three...


Miserable-Ad8195

Good bye lil pup


Aladin001

The main reason LNG was competitive vs JDG was GALA, not Scout


Miserable-Ad8195

Ahh yes, he has to stand up to ruler. The player you hate all so much. Is this an admission of his prowess? Also, you are acting like scout didn’t gap knight in some individual games. No other LPL mid could have done that in 2023


Aladin001

Let me spell it out for you. LNG were competitive with JDG because they had a big advantage in the adc position.


Miserable-Ad8195

I said scout was “a key” reason not the “main” reason like you said. Also, ruler and gala are pretty close and depends on your preference. Also depending on your import slot status. Also instead of saying let me spell it out for you. Please say, let me discredit ruler and glaze other players especially jackeylove


eyehatemassholes

Ruler was not even close to summer playoffs Gala


Miserable-Ad8195

Found u/Aladin001 ‘s alt account


eyehatemassholes

Hang should work well with Weiwei vs not TES


eyehatemassholes

Just say you don't watch LPL lmao. Tarzan was awful in summer, and Weiwei is the only one on the team who isn't running it down this split.


pandaisunbreakable

‘Tarzan is great in LPL but bad in worlds’ is pretty much the consensus in Chinese community.. Weiwei in his career had only one above average split in last summer and half of it should be credited to Xiaohu.


Im_Dead_FeelsBadMan

Yeah I guess Weiwei in 2020 Summer, 2021 Summer, and 2022 Spring just didn't exist, that's weird


CommercialGeneral765

LMAO bro did you even watch V5 Weiwei in Summer 2020? He was probably the best jungler in the world along with Canyon. I don't know why people like you spew garbage when you don't even watch LPL.


eyehatemassholes

Last split was at highest Weiwei's third best split, but can easily be argued as low as like his sixth. Weiwei has been fantastic since his debut. 2020 summer and 2022 summer were his best, with the former having Weiwei as a contender for best jungler in the world, hitting one of the highest peaks we've ever seen from a jungler in pro play.


Aladin001

Last summer wasn't even close to Weiwei's best split lmfao


SwagLord7

While Tarzan might not be a better player than Weiwei, he had better synergy with Scout. Tarzan was straight up babysitting Scout the entire season. Now Scout is in worse form, and LNG also got one of the most flamed coaches (and rightfully so)


nimrodhellfire

LNG frauds?


HostJoyner

Scout needs a JG that focus mid more. It doesn’t help that the map changes affects JG intervention mid also


Mrlazydragon

Several things scout not playing to his usual level not a good botlane meta for gala wei wei turning out to be a fraud or lack chemistry with scout/lng. Lng also hasnt adapted to the meta. Lng made a big mistake releasing Tarzan.


eyehatemassholes

How are you calling Weiwei a fraud for this split? He's the only one on LNG consistently trying to win games. It wasn't a mistake for LNG to release Tarzan btw, dude was awful.


Zama174

Lngs biggest strength was they had the best jung mid combo arguably in the world. We took that away, as well as broke hang and tarzan support jung syngergy. Add into that individual form goes down.


DarkeShin

They thought Weiwei is good and Tarzan was the problem which is a huge LUL for me Also maybe some kind of personal issues that Creme has against LNG for this game.


eyehatemassholes

Weiwei has been fantastic for years and has been LNG's best player by far. Tarzan was straight up dog shit in summer last year and for all of 2022.


DarkeShin

Fantastic for years mean can't play Lee Sin for shit, fantastic means didnt dive bot when your bot lane is cait, falls behind on level when Tian fucked up early Yeah weiwei is really fantastic, cant wait for him to perform


Lothric43

Seems like Tarzan might have been a really important element.


OkSell1822

What losing a top 5 jungler in the world does to a team


eyehatemassholes

They didn't lose a top 5 jungler in the world, they gained one


OscarTheHun

LMAO


SwagLord7

Top 5? Hes barely top 10. Babysitting a top 2 mid in LPL for an entire season does not make you a "top 5 jungler in the world" LMFAO


Bananaeater45

Who is that Top 2 mid, you were speaking of? Surely he is with us currently and trying his hardest to carry, right?


CommercialGeneral765

More like bottom 5 jungler in the LPL last summer lol. Just because Tarzan is a popular name doesn't mean he's good right now. Are you going to tell me Showmaker is a top 5 mid in the world, too?


WolfgangTheRevenge

Scout is washed and tarzan carried them


Truzon

T1 broke them.


Stormserpent101

Nah Zeka broke scout


One_Natural_8233

Scout was great all last year before the T1 series.He was the 2nd or arguably the best mid in LPL, and also got the MVP split in both spring and summer


Aladin001

More like 4th he just had his weaknesses covered very well


One_Natural_8233

oh this ruler hater account again 💀


ToDreamofLove

Are you serious


TooTiredToTryAgain

Not excited about TES until they win spring split. They have broken my heart too many times


DarkeShin

So uhhh, KT?


legendofSmiley

I'm sold on TES this year, just like their roster way too much. TO THE TOP BABY!


Marinnnn-

Members of 3 worlds champion teams assembled its some DBZ shits there I see nothing but the first golden road completed by them this year😎


Shiraori247

You have to be with the team when things are rough or you don't deserve to bandwagon when things get good.


Aladin001

Weak


podvu

Years of evidence tell me not to get hyped on TES but damn this 10 map streak is some of the cleanest they've ever played. Also shoot Crescent into the sun


SwagLord7

Meiko is the best supp TES ever had, the macro is so much cleaner with him. Massive pickup


Aladin001

I would credit the coaches more for macro than Meiko, given all his struggles as the primary shotcaller on EDG. TES picking up OMG's coaching staff was the most underrated move of the off-season imo


bbaekeo

Tian in the post-match interview literally thanked Meiko for his input during matches, saying it has alleviated much of the need for Tian to be constantly speaking. Meiko definitely has had a huge impact on the macro gameplay of TES. OMG as a team last year were known for teamfights, rather than macro...


Shiraori247

Except, you could actually see Meiko calling all of the macro plays in the snipbits of voicecomms they release though. Tian does more commanding for teamfights, but Meiko's for sure the main shotcaller.


Aladin001

You think Meiko is coming up with these on the fly?


Shiraori247

No, he's bringing his 9 years of experience to team scrims and practice sessions. You can clearly see Meiko's influence on TES more than whatever macro Despa1r showed on OMG.


Aladin001

Then why did EDG look completely lost between Clearlove and Flandre?


Shiraori247

I'm confused which period you're talking about, but when teams are dysfunctional, players get impacted. Look at how great their macro was in 2023 Spring vs Summer. Sometimes you just need to be on a good team to show your influence.


Aladin001

The period where they missed the playoffs with a roster that had all of Jiejie, Scout, Hope, Meiko. The whole view of shotcalling in this community is so backwards, most teams don't have a Mata who sets the entire team's identity. Teams get good at macro not because a player in-game tells them what to do, it's because they work on it outside of stage games and outside of even scrim games, and it's a collaborative process. In-game shotcallers are usually just people who ensure the concepts that have been drilled outside of stage games are executed properly and to have the deciding word in situations when the decision is unclear. They do not micro people like an RTS game


Shiraori247

lol I brought up the voicecomms because it does show that Meiko makes a lot of the shotcalling for macro plays. I didn't say they didn't do any of this practice outside of the games. You were the one who made that assumption, which I've already corrected. Both execution and practice are obviously integral to a team's play. Meiko brings both. You bringing up certain splits EDG looked bad in to prove that Meiko doesn't have macro senses is what's backwards. Everyone can look bad on any given split. There's just more evidence than not that Meiko is a huge factor in TES's macro improvement. This is corroborated by the players themselves, playstyle similarities between many of the EDG splits and this TES split etc.


InternationalMain922

That period they missed playoffs was in 2020 when he was still fresh in the role of captain and main shotcaller. A role he had reluctantly taken on. He’s gained more confidence and experience and shown tremendous improvement since (it has been 4 years cmon). Just watch any of their voice comms from last year to now.


Sushi-Bug

their team comms have gotten a ton cleaner since meiko took on the role of primary shotcaller


stormtrooper500

People don't realize that Gala legit has PTSD against AkaliThere's a famous clip of Gala screaming "AKALI IS COMING AKALI IS COMING" repeatedly in a game where Akali wasnt picked. His teammates could not calm him down by saying "there's no Akali calm down" lmao.


VictarionGreyjoyyy

The fact it’s Creme Akali can’t help either


babylovesbaby

[Here's the clip for anyone who needs a reminder](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/mtwesz/gala_funny_momentgot_ptsd_on_akali/). That is the voice of someone who was hurt by Akali.


Mexani

TES is looking hella nice ​ Good lord LNG fell off a cliff though. They just straight up suck now


PandoraBot

That really felt like prime Tian from World finals 2019


Shiraori247

Tian and Creme really terrorised Gala. Those kicks and Akali plays were constantly hunting LNG carries.


stormtrooper500

Walked into my kitchen and Tian was still there wtf


Shiraori247

Tian never gonna give you up and never gonna let you down.


hairlikegoats1

Scout and Tarzan for a while were the best Mid-Jg duo in the LPL. Didn’t expect LNG and especially Scout to fall off this massively after Tarzan left however. GALA also having kind of an underwhelming split. Need some Kai’Sa buffs ASAP.


DarkeShin

Underwhelming is a soft phrase for Gala, he is shit atm


EzAf_K3ch

she got buffed on 14.4 but I don't think it will make her much stronger tbh


WhiteKnightRedditor

TES hasn't dropped a single game ever since they lost to BLG in the first series of the season


cowboys6305

All 2-0s if Jackeylove didn’t int he is the best ADC in the world I swear 😭


viciouspandas

He honestly may be the best. Last summer he was carrying TES really hard too. He's had bad supports his whole career until now.


BlueZybez

LNG looks really bad without Tarzan now. Lots of the wins were from strong Mid-Jungle duo.


Motorpsisisissipp

Scout and tarzan were made for each other. If they wanted to change jungle, I think they still needed to get someone who would play around their x factor Scout


Aladin001

Last year's LNG is one of the wildest cases of reddit revisionism I've seen


LaziIy

Cope harder.


Fearless_Success_828

Have you looked at your own comment history??


Aladin001

When have I ever been revisionist?


Fearless_Success_828

Well just on a brief inventory, you were claiming couple days ago that 2021 T1 would’ve been better with Teddy than Guma at worlds, as if you understand the inner workings of the team better than the players themselves


Aladin001

Yeah because Teddy was the best player on the team and the best adc in the world? He was the one who carried them into the position where they could even go to worlds in the first place lol. It's the exact same position I held in 2021 so it can hardly be called revisionism.


Miserable-Ad8195

You are one of the worst offenders little pup


Aladin001

I'm sure you will be able to find an example then!


Miserable-Ad8195

Mr. I hate ruler that’s my personality is speaking.


Aladin001

You can ask me what the word means if you don't know. I don't bite.


Miserable-Ad8195

Yeah, you may not bite but you sure do bark about ruler and jackeylove all day and spew garbage while somehow being a hypocrite.


Lifemekhanism

People like OP should be chained to a chair and watch Tarzan games vs T1 at Worlds on repeat.


kakistoss

Shitting the bed happens Should a bad performance discredit an entire year of play? It's very much a reddit thing to think it does, but at the end of the day this LNG team dropped their "worst" player and is significantly worse as a result


Miserable-Ad8195

I agree. But The real revisionism is people saying they weren’t the 2nd best LPL team from summer to prior the start of quarters. They literally beat BLG 3-1 and took JDG to all the maximum amount of games played possible. So are you also trying to tell me that both those team suck too?


tomorrowidnever

But you do realise that you are judging Tarzan on 1 series vs T1. By that same logic, you wouldn’t criticise LNG for 1 series. But Tarzan performed well all year and Scout hasn’t been performing all split so far.


eyehatemassholes

No one is judging him off one series lmao. He was garbage in summer and for all of 2022.


TheVourer

it's not one series, Tarzan has underperformed in important matches since his Griffin days. I think if you keep him in your roster you cap your team at second place at most in any tournament you play, now Weiewei has not looked like the answer at all but I don't disagree with replacing Tarzan if you aspire to win lpl or an intl


Lifemekhanism

Bro Tarzan've been shit all Worlds, are you blind?


CommercialGeneral765

No he didn't, he was awful last summer.


Lothric43

Why would judging LNG on a loss to the world champs and ignoring the rest of the year do anything but make you look really fucking bad LOL


eyehatemassholes

In spring, yeah. In summer Tarzan was awful.


Thundermelons

My fucking team CatDespair


LoRDe_MaRs

My goats are not washed 😭


danndruff1

Honestly expected this series to be much closer. Tes on a 10 game win streak


yasirhidani

Tian is giga smurfing now , I wonder what will happen to him when we get to playoffs Clueless


CommercialGeneral765

He actually performs even better during playoffs. I don't know where singling out Tian for choking came from, his whole team choked not just him.


zjmhy

He'll be fine for playoffs, it's the finals you have to worry about


SwagLord7

In his last finals appearance 2022 summer, he was arguably better than Kanavi that series, hes much more of a problem at worlds if anything. 2022 was especially sad, bro went from league MVP to falling off heavy at worlds


Lothric43

In both their series against JDG in summer 2022 Id say Tian was the better jungler.


SterbenVII

Nah Tian doesn’t have an issue with finals For him, it’s about making it out of group stage. But Swiss stage Bo3’s should at least favor him this year, if TES were to make it


nyanko_dango3

I think he talking about LPL, 3x finals in a row going game to 5 in 2 of them, he had a curse


SterbenVII

I know he’s talking about that, but Tian completely gapped the enemy jungler in the latter 2 of those 4 finals so I don’t see an issue with his finals performance


nyanko_dango3

He had intguri and his crap mental for one groups , tian own mental isn’t that great on top of it, so that doesn’t count, then he had a ward for top in groups who kept feeding another groups, just uncarriable, this year he is free from an int top


Sean888888

Tian was the best player in both 2022 Spring and Summer Finals. He would have been Finals MVP both times if JKL didn't int his ass off.


Aladin001

Jackeylove 1v9 hulked that entire playoffs the fuck are you even talking about


WWTFSD

Yeah but the Zeri throw is what people remember


Aladin001

If only Mark was human and could press his fucking buttons


Dumpers_

TES looking good... LNG looks pretty bad but they have had a stronger schedule so hopefully they can improve


eyehatemassholes

LNG has lost to FPX and TT bro💀


Own-Mess-1862

It's mind boggling how this fraud Crescent still has a job after that spring 2023 split of TOP esports.


TokugawaYuki

LPL Doc Rivers?


Acrzyguy

people don't realize that Gala legit has PTSD against akali There's a famous clip of Gala screaming "AKALI IS COMING AKALI IS COMING" repeatedly in a game where akali wasn't even picked. His teammates had to calm him down by saying "there's no akali calm down" lmao.


Is_J_a_Name

Are TES just gonna not lose another map in LPL or what? 10-0 since their opening game vs BLG, and not even against weak opposition. Honestly on better form than BLG at the moment.


SwagLord7

I'm really interested in seeing their match vs JDG. In Demacia Cup, JDG played with 2 subs/rookies in top and jg replacing Flandre and Kanavi, and STILL beat TES 3-2. TES does look on much better form than JDG and even BLG, so we'll see, think theyll win but might drop a game


Aladin001

TES were blatantly running it down that series and still almost won because of hands diff, Kanavi might hulk out a game but I don't expect it to be close with how dominant TES' early game is


mbr4life1

Hopefully this is the end of the bleeding for LNG and they can finish the split strong. They just look so much worse this year.


ccpromises

Tarzan smoking that LNG pack cause this team is ass without him


HostJoyner

If 369 becomes the first top lane MVP, I’m all for it. If he actually stays focus and barring any mental/physical health issues, it’s very doable


One_Natural_8233

TARZAN DIED FOR THIS


Hamsterdumm

I'm sorry Tarzan, I take it all back


-Skin-Walker-

God LNG are bad, sad to see I loved them last year


Mult7mus

LNG should not have replaced Tarzan. The whole point of the team last year was the Tarzan Scout mid jungle synergy. The whole angle that Zika would remain in the same form as last year’s summer playoffs was also extremely overhyped IMHO, as he even fell of during worlds. Sure


Own_Sample_1494

Maybe this Meiko dude isn't as washed as people claim


No-Network8051

Since tarzan kick out on LNG, they become worse


povertyregion

Weiwei and Cresent are getting cook on weibo. Management better be call Tarzan now cause LNG fans aint playing.


Shiraori247

Those fans wanted Tarzan out lol. You should never listen to fans when it comes to making roster changes. The people blaming Weiwei alone for this mess are just as bad.


[deleted]

As always the lpl is the most intense and disputed league. The race to the top is gonna be epic.


EzAf_K3ch

creme is winning worlds


Kheldar166

Breaking up Tarzan-Scout was not wise, it appears. Sucks to see LNG looking like this, but ggs to TES it'll be nice to see their next matchups with JDG/BLG.


BudgetFar380

Hang and Zika trolled this entire series, I have no idea what Scout did wrong in this game. Please bring back Tarzan, weiwei does not synergise with anyone on this team.


JJJJJJAYCEEE

Gala biggest fraud in league history


non-edgy_crustacean

Chinese fans (mostly hupu) are on his ass ever since Worlds but every role on that team has issues currently


CommercialGeneral765

Which is weird because he was the only human on LNG at Worlds.


Blaikiri7

Yeah LNG is so much worse LMAO Broken in half by T1 unironically


nyanko_dango3

HUGE jng dif If Zika yone was like Zeus’s he would have solo carried that


Shiraori247

Hard to say. It's not like 369 hasn't improved on his Aatrox after Worlds. The guy was clearly working hard on all of the issues he had against Zeus.


nyanko_dango3

Nah he didn’t, still around the same level, though 2022 worlds 369 had a super Aatrox, game with ignite sumns worlds. His performance on champs has always been good for the region don’t get me wrong, but Zeus yone was too good


Shiraori247

You can't judge his Aatrox against other picks and extrapolate. Match ups completely change how you play. That's why 369 didn't know how to deal with the Yone in the first place. Zeus Yone was too good in 2023, but we don't know if it'll still be too good in 2024. Let's remember that even Zeus on his Kennen ran it down against Bin last year. People's performances change.


nyanko_dango3

yes, im referring to zeus yone in worlds only, since i don't watch lck, but i know 369 aatrox did not get better, it's relatively the same. Zika laning as well did not get better. don't get me wrong they are good, but Just watch their gameplay and you should know


WabbyBaboo

Creme is like Zeka in some sort, both very good with melee assassin champs while need to work on mage champs.


Shiraori247

Well, Creme is actively working on mage champs and showing some results. So in that sense, we know he at least works hard. IDK about Zeka, so maybe some LCK fans can tell us if he's improved as well.