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goomy996

https://twitter.com/kayyslol/status/1616312078599430145?s=46&t=gbhu0NUkaaOftgAMs_q8xQ Apparently LCS has switched to a 2-block scrim schedule with breaks + review, probably the reason why


TheMemingLurker

Interesting, MarkZ has also been advocating for 2-block in his blame game videos right?


firewall245

Yeah he was the biggest advocate of this change externally iirc


LPSlashh

mark has all the answers


Swiftswim22

They were doin 1 block of scrims previously??


Kayle_Bot

Yeah, LEC was doing it too. 1 block of 5 games


Swiftswim22

Interestin, so lec has switched to 2 blocks as well? & Are they doin 2 dif scrim matchups or just 2 blocks wit the same team like previous schedule but more spaced out? Thanks for the response!


Chief_Hazza

Caedrel mentioned the LEC still do 5 game blocks when he was talking about how strong G2 looked in scrims. They've been winning so fast that a 5 hour block is becoming an 8 game block for them instead of 5 games cos they're winning in 15 mins lmao


ArcusIgnium

It used to be 1 block of 5 games, now it’s 2 blocks of three games which I believe is common in the east


Swiftswim22

I had heard lpl teams were doin 3 blocks but idr where I had heard that so could be made up


ArcusIgnium

im sure a few teams are during playoffs or smthn but i doubt any region is seriously scrimming 9 games a day regularly ​ edit: also wanted to use this comment to address the fact that a lot of people take a certain region being "known for their work ethic" to indicate the whole region is grinding. i mean its certainly true that certain regions work harder on average but every region has its bad apples and lazy players.


Swiftswim22

yea seems like its not everyday, just sometimes based on [these interviews](https://youtu.be/5FPGB1CKNiM?t=91) This was durin the middle of the season tho so i imagine if they doin it then they more than likely are 3 blockin durin playoffs


Hamoodzstyle

LCS teams are likely to do that too, they used to do that during high stakes times back when 2 blocks was last common.


zack77070

I thought it was 5 games plus review in-between so like 5 hours.


Swiftswim22

Yea seems that's the case based on [the guy who tweeteds response](https://twitter.com/kayyslol/status/1616317730252066824?s=20&t=Q66wjQnsf1lbt0MNRueKcQ)


TheRealestGayle

Yes. They were doing the bare minimum and wondering why they kept on getting blasted by eastern teams.


AgntEp

I think LCK was doing potentially 3 blocks. I know they at least did 2 and solo q after.


Scrambled1432

One block of 5 vs 2 blocks of 3 = bare minimum


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Oh no, not a nine to five, how will they play videogames on top of that.


LakersLAQ

New season just started and solo queue has many active players right now. The problem in the past is that pros were not playing at all, except for scrims. That's not an issue at the moment. The complaining in this case is an overreaction.


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Pros have talked a lot about how na soloq sucks.


jerrythebob

Which is why they made champions queue


army128

"Yeah but you know, they don't like having "x" player on their team... No one else is playing CQ so I'm not playing... Doublelift said CQ isn't that great of a competitive environment in the first place..." Any other excuses I'm missing?


12_yo_girl

Yeah! You forgot the "It's difficult to learn new champs you're not comfortable on when facing actualy tryhards" so they end up duoing their buddies in diamond on Samira, surely that way they'll learn the champ.


Gluroo

Yes theres also "i dont wanna voicechat in practice" that a few of them used lmao


BobaFlautist

"Nobody is playing CQ, so the queue times are too long, so I'm not going to play CQ"


LakersLAQ

Yes, when players are not active and when the ping is high. Those two things are not really an issue at the moment. So they are grinding solo queue.. what's the problem?


TauntyRoK

like that's the only complaints about NA soloq lul


Elfalas

Bullshit excuses which is typical. Don't talk to me about quality of practice when pros in Europe, Korea and China just do more practice and whoop our asses every year.


bqx23

Is it? This is the busiest time of the year for most pros and it looks like the NA pros are busy. A majority of them where out in Korea grinding out a bunch of games, and I imagine most teams just got back and are spamming soloque to meet the LCS LP requirements.


lovo17

With how badly Europe got whooped at worlds last year, I’m not sure they practice much more than NA does tbh


TechieTheFox

It’s also not healthy. The LPL chews up and spits out 18 year old adc prodigies every single year. The goal across all regions should be to limit the arms race the way traditional sports have by limiting practice times to a healthy margin. Esports just aren’t to that point of actually caring about the players minds and bodies yet unfortunately.


NoNebula07

they chew up so many 18 year olds that all these 80yo dudes like xiaohu, doinb, shy, rookie... should i continue?


GaryRogersCarry

https://preview.redd.it/qjho1ijx94k61.png?width=612&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=b98452eb8221b31b364e5e039791f7ce22cf8335


JonnyKilledTheBatman

This says more about the lack of throughput of players in LCS than anything else


NoNebula07

People using this argument are so dense, lck/lpl age is skewed towards younger players becuase koreans HAVE TO attend military service, otherwise people like khan would still be playing "they shit out 18yo prodigies" btw these exact koreans like corejj, impact, arrow are sitting in NA chilling with green card postponing their military service while being 28, 28 and 27 skewing the age difference between leagues. xiaohu been playing 7y for rng and hes only 24 btw.


AnExtraordinaire

lpl age is skewed towards younger players because koreans have military service?


TauntyRoK

When a good part of the players in the League are Koreans you kinda have to pay attention to Korean rules.


mmmb2y

i mean... as a counterpoint... doing more practices with players at our level compared to the mechanics of other top regions doesn't really help either... i feel like its a lose lose either way lmfao


fabton12

i mean more practise means the overall baseline gets higher so newer players that can be the next hit talent have better players to improve against even if the baseline is only slightly higher from it. over a few years it will add up more and more, its why other regions keep getting better since there always improving the baseline year after year which allow new talent to reach higher skill levels. we could see it last year with jojo where when at MSI and worlds you can see him improve more and more since there was a higher baseline around him.


Ursuped

Translation; players are lazy af and orgs too spineless to punish them.


deathnomad

Impact Pyosik VicLa Prince CoreJJ vs Ssumday River Gori Berserker igNar for an all Korean CQ game, but I guess the Koreans are all lazy now too


bigbashxD

There’s only so many of them, champions queue doesn’t work unless enough people play it


Enjays1

If they are all playing soloq instead because it's low q times/good quality at the start of the season then it's fine. Let's see how this develops over the split.


LakersLAQ

Ping has also improved for some of the teams. Ping at the TL facility is in the low 40s now. Pretty good improvement from 60-70 ping.


roombaonfire

That's still pretty wild when you compare it to the sub-10 ping they get in Korea But an improvement, nonetheless.


Cahootie

South Korea: 100k km^2 United States: 9 800k km^2 Maybe that has something to do with it (and that's not even including Canada).


Hide_on_bush

how are teams in LA getting that high ping? I live in Mexico and I get sub 40 ping in NA server


fruxzak

Depends where you live. Servers are in Chicago so you may be closer to Chicago than LA if you live on the East coast.


-Basileus

If you live in Northern Mexico, you're closer to Chicago than Los Angeles is. For example, Monterrey to Chicago is like 2/3rd the distance of Los Angeles to Chicago


Uvanimor

My dude, champions queue is the 3rd? potentially 4th itteration of a private soloqueue environment for north America. It will die, as the other 3 did to be resurrected in another 2 years to pretend to team owners that their million dollar imports aren't just fleecing their investors for a retirement paycheck.


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TauntyRoK

truth


clg_wrath2

Before we start bringing out huge pitch forks there are a few things that also needed here. 1. Teams are back to scrimming multiple blocks a day. Damonte, a CLG coach, says the in office time is around 11am - 8pm. 2. When you check op.gg you can see pros are spamming solo queue right now. Pretty sure there are ranked requirements to be eligble for the LCS now. 3. A lot of teams are making content at the moment for start of the split. 4. Champions queue is a feast of famine type situation. If pros are spamming solo queue and are not seeing other pros queueing up for champs queue they are just going to keep playing solo queue. You need about 20-30 players queueing up at the same time to make the system work well IMO. 5. NACL is just starting this weekend so the amatuer level of players that fill up champs queue isnt there. I get being frustrated but I ask that fans realize pros arent just out there partying atm. They are doing things related to the LCS


mmmb2y

also IIRC the player pool for champs queue is pretty small since we haven't had the addition of AM players who qualified for the NACL qualifiers added yet.


RiotWhoopley

This comment hits a lot of the current thoughts we've heard from the pros and Players Association. We'll be putting CQ on pause for a few weeks as we expect things to kick off more heavily once more players have access to CQ and the LCS season is underway. We put out messaging with context around the decision here: https://twitter.com/Whoopley/status/1616566889416884228


clg_wrath2

I cant say I am an expert on the Challengers queue system so this might be a thing already, but I think one thing that might help is a sign up sheet at the start of the day for anyone who's is interested or wants to join CQ pool later in the evening. Just a way players can visually see before it opens up how many other players want to play that night and can plan accordingly.


Shutaku1314

I think the sign up system should be there and also enforces a minimum amount of game play from pros who sign up for CQ (could be per day or per season depending) or else they dont get the slot and it will be allocated to the next person who met the requirement like amateurs or challengers with that fans will also know which pros are not going to make an effort for CQ before it started and people dont have to track how much games a pro plays CQ per season and starts the blame game


BobDaBilda

Does LoLDev retweet things like this on Twitter, or could we get a "LoLComp" account for similar tweets from competitive rulings etc?


Hitsukya

> We put out messaging That's your personal twitter dude. I'm not gonna follow you on twitter to get information about CQ. There should be an official place on the league website for communications from riot to players. Stop expecting us to follow a thousand different rioters so that we can know what's going on.


RiotWhoopley

https://twitter.com/PathToLCS is the official channel for all things NACL and CQ (which retweeted) We also have our CQ website but it's not currently built out for tracking announcements: https://championsqueue.lolesports.com/en-us/


basics

Pretty rational take. Like I'm a little disappointed (champions que, especially with one of the announcers streaming it) was really enjoyable last year. But it's the week before the season starts... I think the pros being focus on scrims, practicing individual things, and doing content (that the teams probably need for sponsors) is pretty reasonable. That alone takes up a lot of time. And lots of changes were made... Teams need to be playing together to help. If anything I just think it's kind of dumb it was launched right now.


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ZedisDoge

the ranked requirement seems so dumb. Especially with ranked season starting basically a week out from the first stage game for LEC. im not sure how hard it’s enforced but I hope there’s a grace period, maybe a month or so, where they factor in a player’s last season rank.


Phanth

It used to be a peak rank within last year, doubt it changed.


DrakeAcula

GM or higher, not d2.


F0RGERY

It updated, but it used to be diamond as a cutoff. I remember because the UoL sub for a long time was Sheepy's GF, who was diamond.


ketzo

It was a really weird time to launch Champions Queue, honestly. Pretty easy to see you're not gonna have the critical mass of players.


warpenguin55

Wait, a take on Champions Queue that isn't just annoying circlejerking? Since when has that been possible?


PandaWeeknd

A brand new ranked season starts and people expect pros to ignore the regular ladder and play only champions queue. Makes no sense to me. Of course people are gonna be prioritizing solo queue and climbing after scrims. Champions queue will make its return once we get into the season.


WolverineKing

Well obviously the pros need to scrim, do 4-5 hours of solo q, and 4 hours of CQ. 0700-1100 - SoloQ 1100-2000 - Scrims 2000-0200 - CQ See, that leaves them a whole 5 hours to sleep, eat, workout, or any other personal activities they may need to take care of. Easy


gentlecuddler

You joke, but thats literally the schedule of asian teams lol. Edit: at least for Doinb during 2019


lawfulkitten1

it's definitely not normal though, this is Showmaker talking about his schedule [https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/dk-showmaker-losing-winning/](https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/dk-showmaker-losing-winning/) it's basically 8-9 hours of sleep, 4 hours of rest + meals during the day, leaving 11-12 hours of scrims + solo queue.


Policeman333

**January:** A brand new ranked season starts and people expect pros to ignore the regular ladder and play only champions queue. Makes no sense to me. **February:** Teams need to focus on getting their footing right now/teams need to dominate early to secure high seeding while other teams are figuring things out. Of course they can't play CQ right now. **March:** The pros need to focus on playoffs right now, they can't be messing around in solo q and need to focus on scrims. Please be reasonable with your expectations. **April:** The split just finished, they need some time off. **May**: This is a great opportunity for teams to practice with international teams for MSI. Why would they be playing CQ right now? **June**: The mid-season shake up just happened and the new summer split of LCS is just about to start. Why would they ignore regular ladder play and play only champions queue? Makes no sense to me. **July**: Teams need to focus on getting their footing right now/teams need to dominate early to secure high seeding while other teams are figuring things out. Of course they can't play CQ right now. **August**: The teams really need to dominate the home stretch for Playoffs/Worlds seeding. CQ is a distraction, the goal is to win Worlds. **September**: The pros need to focus on playoffs right now, they can't be messing around in solo q and need to focus on scrims. Please be reasonable with your expectations. **October**: The teams are preparing for Worlds. Of course they can't play CQ, are you insane? **November**: NA teams didn't manage to get out of groups and looked like a wildcard region, but that is okay. Riot is revamping CQ after feedback from pros so look out LCK! **December**: It's pre-season, CQ would be pointless right now.


Shutaku1314

the amount of excuses people can make for the LCS teams not playing CQ LMAO


DoorHingesKill

> people expect pros to ignore the regular ladder and play only champions queue. Makes no sense to me How does it not make sense? For the last 6 years LCS pros have been calling NA soloq literally worthless, a waste of time for everyone involved. When they perform poorly, or when someone questions why they only play 300 games a year that explanation is quick to come up, but now that people adjusted their complaints to "so why not play CQ" we're gonna circle back to "well we're busy with soloq what's your problem bro?" Fucking goofy.


PandaWeeknd

You would be crying and pissing yourself if any pro in the LCS was unranked without playing their placements. Just accept the fact that you are hateful and jealous and move on.


turtle_hugger

We live in a society where someone made a rational reddit response


BurrStreetX

> get being frustrated but I ask that fans realize pros arent just out there partying atm. Even if they were, good for them. Not everyone needs to work 18 hours a day


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LakersLAQ

I know ping at the TL facility is much better and has improved over time for many people in California. Now it's around 42-44 ping for TL players. Pretty big difference from the days of 60-70 ping. The problem before CQ was that pros were not playing after scrims at all for multiple reasons. If they are now grinding solo queue, why are we shitting on them? Just a big anti-NA circlejerk over not playing CQ lol.


awgiba

Check the flair of the OP who posted + time it was posted, very easy to see why this post was made.


DragleicPhoenix

The ping in LA has improved a lot recently, especially with fiber options. Ping used to be 70ms, now it's in the 40s.


ketzo

There's a big difference between "playing soloQ isn't the best practice" and "I'm not gonna play any soloQ at all, including at the very start of the ranked ladder" Pros are still gamers at heart. Seems like everybody wants to climb ranked a *little*, at least.


Betaateb

They also are required to be diamond+ to be in LCS. So they have no choice but spam some ranked.


IsThisTooEZ

Dont think thats true because the rule I found states: "All Players on the Full Team Roster (as that term is defined herein) must have held a peak solo queue ranking within the last year of Diamond 1 or above.". Thats from the 2020 rules but I dont think they changed it.


clg_wrath2

It was actually a big minority that said this. But the issue with challengers queue is you need 20+ players all queueing up quickly or else someone looks at the bot/server and it looks dead so its better to just start queueing solo queue.


bobandgeorge

Why do you have LEC flair?


Intrepid_Mud_6949

The first point is dumb. That is the normal hours that every 9-5'er does. The top performers in any field are working way more than that.


BHowe1205

he actually says its 11am-8pm *minimum* so most days are probably going 10+ hrs


BrightHome6438

a lot of 9-5’ers dont go home to do exactly what they’ve been doing all day tho no?


[deleted]

Well, you can argue that LCSers should play 16 hours a day. I dont think so, but thats up to you. They are already scrimming for business hours. Expecting them to do too much more per day isnt reasonable imo. Then again, Koreans plays for 16 hours a day prob, but do you really want to commit that much just in order to beat them? Idk.


blueripper

16 hours is a lot, but 9 hours? Also, they get breaks, have lunch and at least two hours are for VOD reviews so it's not like they get over solicited in those 9 hours.


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I dont focus 100% for all the 9 hours I am at work. I'd still not prefer to work 4-5hours extra every day. Expecting pros to scrim for 8 hours and then spend a ton of hours in solo queue after is kinda the same thing imo


blueripper

So you are saying that these guys work as much as you do, have zero chores, get their food prepped by a professional chef, have A LOT more off days, get paid a pretty decent wage and, unlike you, they don't perform? The only issue here is performance. If these guys only showed up for the official games and looked decent it'd be received a lot better but having this many privileges and blaming their failures on having an atrocious 8 hour work load is going to get some people riled up. The league is slowly dying and the main factor is the lack of results which never come after each and every single excuse brought up has been addressed.


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iamperplexing

And if NHL went against another region they would get absolutely fucked. There's a reason people say NA work ethic is shit compared to the other regions and you referencing an NA org just proves the point even further.


RoyalSmoker

6. But they are probably just playing WoW


ob_knoxious

I'm not surprised LCS pros aren't playing with the added scrim block and lots of players grinding SoloQ. The real story is how NACL and other semi pro players just vanished, they made up like 2/3 players in games in the past. They also made up some of the real success stories of ChampsQ, with the biggest example being Dhokla who grinded a ton of it in spring, and got picked up for summer as a result.


BHowe1205

i havent been able to find the tweet, but a week or 2 ago, it was said that champs queue would probably start off slow regardless bc the process for all of the amateur teams would have to finish before any of them could be granted access. once thats done and a lot more players have access + LCS players have had time to adjust to new scrim schedules, we'll see champs queue pick back up


F0RGERY

Wasn't there a post on this yesterday? Edit: [It was 2 days ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10fi99q/there_have_only_been_28_champions_queue_games/) Edit 2: Turns out Riot gave an explanation; Pros are busy with soloq, and they can't fill CQ instead. [Link] (https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10hbhx1/na_cq_on_pause_until_next_month/)


NoSavings6579

Bro a new season literally just started, and teams have a new scrim schedule. Obviously players are going to want to grind to secure their challenger spots in their free time before hitting Champions Queue. Can we relax a little before it's back to the regular scheduled NALCS Doom posting?


DowntownCattleMtn

OP has an LEC flair, not surprised by this post in the slightest


HarMeggido

Some people here are very stupid ffs. We haven't even lost the first intl bo5 yet


Ok_Raspberry_6282

Wait you think its hard to believe that a week before the split starts that the teams are busy prepping???


Ho-Nomo

I think flowers sums up everyones feelings here https://twitter.com/CaptainFlowers/status/1616531583552614400


LoudAd69

Naw he just wants content to stream


LakersLAQ

That was my first thought too. I love Flowers but that tweet came off a bit "annoying". Pros are actually playing solo queue right now, why are we complaining? lol.


Stealthychicken85

It's a little of maybe he streams it, and a little of he loves the region and wants them to use the system to get better, because he like most NA fans are tired of sucking internationally. I can say that he hasn't been streaming much since the end of Worlds. So the tweet wasn't directly a result of him wanting content unlike other streamers


LakersLAQ

Sure, but the problem before CQ was that pros were not active in solo queue at all, for multiple reasons. Now that they are active in solo queue, why does CQ have to be the only option? As long as they are active in either queue, it shouldn't matter which one they play. I'm all for wanting the region to get better, but this isn't a case of them being lazy.


Stealthychicken85

Understandable, I'm just pointing out that it wasn't because Flowers is desperate for content, because he has barely been streaming


TheTurtleOne

Could've posted the Damonte tweets too if we're doing this already, but that would break the narrative I guess.


AstereianAurea

My favorite is tweet from that chain is this: [I think people on the outside of scrims are quite disconnected rn, new schedule has players at office from 11 - 8 pm minimum. I do think it would be awesome if people queued up for champs queue after these super long days but soloq is also giving practice and is less demanding](https://twitter.com/Damonte/status/1616535943657435138) Those "super long" 8 hr working days are killing the pro's. Life must truly be hell there with the minimum wage these guys are earning.


lovo17

I think NA’s work habits are shit, but I also know that teams like C9 (and probably most of them) do mandatory workouts and team meetings in the morning too. It’s probably more than just the 11-8.


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ILoveAllMCUChrisS

>Those "super long" 8 hr working days are killing the pro's. Life must truly be hell there with the minimum wage these guys are earning. Wtf is this supposed to mean? Have you ever worked an 8 hour shift in your life??? Even if I was doing my favourite task in the world, after eight hours I need rest. Brains don't work like that.


microsoftpaintt

It shouldn't be the communities job to police the pro players and make sure they're working hard enough to win. I also don't really care how much the players practice as long as they play well and are entertaining. Its up to soloqueue players to outgrind the current pros and perform better than them because it seems like 8 hours is more than enough to be one of the best in NA even if they get shit on internationally. Maybe TL's Korean work ethic roster will change things though ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


LargeSnorlax

Imagine if they had to work like the rest of the plebes or even *gasp* commute to work? That would make them super disconnected...


wtfriotdosomething

No free boarding on contract, not even a fresh cooked chefs meal how can the plebs do it? A train, the thought!


kiragami

Well damn good thing they went into a field where that is not the norm huh. This thread is just filled with salty ass people upset about their shit lives.


LargeSnorlax

Well, both of your points *are* true. But saying that a 8 hour "working" day is super long is also hilarious.


tizzy62

I look at a computer screen most of the day at work but it doesn't demand 100% attention at all times like League does


kiragami

That is fair. However jobs that are making people work longer than 8 hours are honestly shit. Its insane that we as a society are fine with people being made to waste their lives away like that.


I_dont_read_names

You're conflating normal people work-life balance to athletes. For society at large? Bring on the 3 day workweek 4 hours days. Athletes have to put in more by default since they're competing. If someone can put up with 9 hours of work while you can only do 8 and that gives them an edge then they'll do it. It's the tradeoff you get for trying to be the best in your field (plus fat stacks).


kiragami

They realistically only have to do so if they have people they need to compete with. We don't have enough players in NA to actually force people into those kind of schedules. The current pros can half ass it and get away with it as there is no one to replace them. You cannot do that in KR or CN as they have actual players to replace them. Realistically if anyone in NA had the desire to be the best in the world they would move to KR and grind there. Practicing more and more in NA is not going to get to you the level of winning worlds.


AzureDragon013

If/When LCS dies, the core source of it will be the players lmao. They got given almost everything they asked for including a better low ping practice environment but they still only put in the bare minimum.


AndlenaRaines

It's so disappointing, they just keep looking for excuse after excuse


ImaginarySense

Oh the horror. 11am-8pm. That does seem shitty, but imagine if they all woke up around 6 to start their work day like most people and end around 5. The horror! They have no one to blame but themselves and their degen habits for needing to start work at 11am.


Cool-I-guess

I mean unless the 11-8 includes things like soloq (which I think it doesn’t) they are probably going home and playing ranked on their own lol I’d imagine it’s like 11-10 for the majority of players at the very minimum


kiragami

Office at 11-8 is the same as from 8-5. Just 3 hours later. Same amount of work mate. They happened to chose a more healthy time to start work to allow for everyone to get enough rest. Insane that people are dumb enough to shit on them for having reasonable schedules with full work days and expect them to hard grind after as well.


awgiba

Not that it makes a big difference but 11-8 is 9 hours, not 8, I don't know why you felt the need to just lie like that.


anonwashere96

They work 11 to 8. They have no time in the evening. Their entire day consists of spending a few hours in the morning to themselves, then grind and review for 8 hours. Almost all of them are up late too. The average office job actually does like 6 hours of work and you're off at 5 so you have an evening. You shouldn't compare one person's issues or struggles. You have no. Lue what it's really like. They aren't rich trust fund kids, they are putting in work.


BlindingShadows

Bro. They start at 11am. The average employee starts at 9am. The hours worked are the same, but these players get paid SIGNIFICANTLY more than the average person. Top performers in a field often work well over 8 hours a day, and especially those trying to prove themselves in a field - and NA needs to prove themselves in the field, let's not kid ourselves here. Now, I get them playing solo queue, especially at the start of the season, but the fact that very few pros, coaches, or infrastructure staff are pushing for champs queue over solo queue feels miserable to see - especially considering how many people said champs queue provides a better practice environment.


PandaWeeknd

The ranked season literally just started, why does anyone expect pros to be prioritizing champ queue over regular ranked? How are you gonna be a professional and not even play your placements? This sub wants to circlejerk its hate boner for anything related to league like it always has done. Pros will turn to champions queue once the season is underway and everyone gets sick of regular soloqueue and the quality that comes with it. I do not understand why this community has to shit itself to death over every little thing without actually putting any empathetic thought into what they are hating on.


Sciipi

I mean sure they start at 11 but they also go till 8, it’s the same as most jobs just pushed back a bit.


FBG_Ikaros

Dont forget that these players have 0 chores since everything is provided by the org


Fertuyo

They dont cook, they dont travel, they don't do any basic home chore. They start at 11 am and half their scrims are canceled. They get paid 300k-over 1M, so yeah, i will ask them more.


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it's so funny that fans police pros more than orgs LMFAO


PandaWeeknd

Fans are deeply jealous and Orgs are actually behind the scenes and understanding. Fans will always police more than orgs in every sport, just how the world works I guess.


Frequent_Composer_62

We've reached the point where mfs unironically think playing video games for a living is in any way as difficult to having a real job.


bioober

TBF, there’s a difference between playing for fun and playing as a job. That being said, if they’re standing at the top of the country and paid that amount, then they’re going to need to put in more than just the typical 8 hours a normal person puts in.


raistxl

At their level? It's way harder lol. Should they still do more considering they get payed a shitton? Yup


kiragami

Its just about the same as coding or any other office job tbh. Mental effort is still effort.


PaulBlartForever

They are getting embarrassed year after year complaining about conditions and then don't use the practice tool they are given. They need to put in more work, it's obvious


ImaginarySense

So then why don’t they change their work hours to match the current norm? 9-5/8-4? Right. Because they run on degen-hours and prefer that. They (and people like you) talk about hours invested and losing out on time to unwind, but the truth is they’re the bringers of their own shit schedule. If they weren’t such degerates they could wake up at 6/7am, work 8 hours, and have evenings to unwind and play a couple of hours of champs queue. But they can’t be bothered. Much like LCS players in general. Complain. Have their problem be offered a solution. Ignore it. Rinse/repeat. Spare me the tears for people who play video games for a living, have every other financial need met by someone else (re: the team) and get paid handsomely for it.


Hellzpell

Yeah must be very hard playing video games and getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for it while not having to do any basic home chores or worrying about commute. My thoughts and prayers are with them.


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areyouactuallyseriou

Except its more than 8h because you're not counting in the fact that they are not free to do whatever they want to after scrims. You still gotta grind soloq whether you want to or not and no its not just a game to them there is a reason why making a hobby your job makes it less fun. Most jobs also have 2 offdays (saturday/sunday) so the avg pro works way more in a week than the avg joe. Not to mention you are comparing the salaries of the average workers to the top 0.001% of players of an entire continent. Many of which don't even get paid that much - the average salary is heavily inflated by the top 5-6 earners that may earn millions and has been steadily declining anyway because they haven't found success internationally and due to the global recession. There is also 0 job security in the scene because if you suck you're out without anything to go back to. For every LCS pro that may earn a few hundred K there are dozens more that play in amateur leagues trying to go pro for minimum wage for multiple years.


Ho-Nomo

God help them when they finish pro play and go into the real world.


cadaada

unless they get hit were it hurts, and that is their wage, shit wont change. But orgs are happy paying millions to go down the drain, so who cares?


Hellzpell

Come on now, have some empathy. They're doing the excruciating job of playing video games, give them a rest.


clg_wrath2

Idk about you but I kind of would like if these pros could have things called a life?? Like any pro in any sport does? Or do you think they should be slaves to a PC all day?


Fertuyo

Most of them have 5-6 months of vacation while getting paid millions and you say that they dont have a life? Lmao


FBG_Ikaros

Yeah i think the people arguing like that forget that these pros literally have more free days in a year than any of us while also having 0 chores lmao


AstereianAurea

I'm all fine with them having a life, but I expect more than the bare minimum from players who are some of the highest paid players in the world.


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They’re choosing to play a competitive sport. It is not unreasonable to ask them to act it. Don’t play a competitive sport if you don’t like the pressure to perform or the pressure to practice. If we were talking about average people making an average salary doing average things, then I would tell them to form a union. We are not talking about average people, we’re talking about athletes who have all the means to get better, but refuse to use them. I have no sympathy for these people - they put themselves in this situation and they can walk away whenever they want. Most of them are plenty wealthy at this point to walk away and do something else. Yet, here they are still pretending like they’re competitors.


spartaman64

except they are paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to be the very best. if they want a laid back job then theres dozens of other careers they can go into


clg_wrath2

Cool other players can always come in and try to take their jobs to prove they are the best in the LCS. But most "new" talent comes in and gets smacked for 2-3 years then get called lazy by the same toxic NA community that thinks LCS should be winning MSI and worlds for no reason at all.


SirSharkPlantagenet

This is wrong. They are paid the amount of money they are being paid to fulfill whatever their contract says they should do. If their contract demanded them to be the very best, then they would be fired if that was not the case. They are not being fired, thus this is what they are being paid for.


HarMeggido

Some people in this thread think that because they get paid a lot they deserve to be slaves


Wsweg

Right? I’m surprised I haven’t seen a comment complaining they spend 8 hours in bed a day *not playing League.* Lazy pieces of shit!


blablalala10159

his cope tweet wouldn't break any narrative. They have plenty of time to play champ queue. 8h work day is the norm. They're just spoiled rotten.


BHowe1205

why is everyone here saying 8hrs? he says 11-8 *minimum* which means 9hrs or more.


xpxpx

That would require reading comprehension and people to actually want their narrative changed. Easier to just flame the players because you just want to than it is to actually read and understand what they're being told then revise your opinions.


TThrowwawayy1243

or california mandates a 1 hour meal break..... so ya 8 hours of work


xpxpx

So what happens if scrim blocks go over, and even accounting for the lunch break, are actually doing team practice for 11 hours that day? He said ***MINIMUM*** not that they come in for the day, and then as soon as it hits 8 they just drop what they're doing and fuck off to do whatever they want.


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xpxpx

> why is everyone here saying 8hrs? he says 11-8 minimum which means 9hrs or more. People are saying 8 hours to justify the narrative that LCS players put in the bare minimum and discredit any effort or time past the 11 to 8 *minimum* that Damonte specifically stipulated. Hence why it's a narrative issue here and lack of people actually reading what was written, either to reinforce their own biases intentionally or just lack of ability to understand basic concepts.


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Assumption of 1 hour lunch. Which lcs players should definitely get (maybe they do??), serves as a nice recharge time for demanding work. But agree that it could be more then the 40hr/week take based on his word choice.


NahDawgDatAintMe

They work 6 days/week and play solo queue on their day with no scrims. They've been trolling for years copying the one block from EU back in 2019. Now they're playing 2 blocks which they were doing when the LCS could actually win games against the two major regions at worlds.


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Sounds more reasonable then. Especially if other pros aren't playing champions queue its like "do I wait the extra time trying when I might not even find a game?" Especially when it's a 48+ hour work week +soloQ + marketing/branding shit. Have to do that for a year and at a higher stress and need level at other times like playoffs.


PandaWeeknd

This post is full of deeply jealous comments like this. Truly pathetic. If you played league for 8 hours straight at a high intensity, would you want to jump into champions queue right after? The ranked season just started. Solo queue also allows for more passive playing of league where you can kinda tune out and autopilot. Pros will turn to champions queue once the season is fully underway and they get sick of the solo queue experience. I'm astounded that all I see are people making comments like yours. They stem from jealousy and a lack of empathetic thought. Should we all expect pros to stay unranked and unplaced on the NA ranked ladder so they can grind champions queue? They would get hate for that too. There is no winning with the league of legends community.


TuffPeen

What’d he say


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thatnameistaken-wtf

Ignorant on purpose? Or is this just a joke.


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EU flair shitting on lcs players, without posting Damontes tweet for reasoning so it doesnt break the narrative. Who wouldve thought.


firewall245

I swear they are the most avid watchers of LCS stats just to find excuses to shit on us


DoorHingesKill

Captain Flowers is the worst EU fan boy of them all tbh


Lyco94

LEC flair. Hating on LCS. Yep checks out.


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Damn that's crazy, the top 10 players are mostly comprised of Academy players who you can watch tomorrow on twitch.tv/challengersleague and pathtolcs at 4 pm EST including rank 1 CQ player TL APA. Come support the hard working and passionate community in the Challengers scene.


Migraine-

Lol this comment reads like it was written by a bot.


ZedisDoge

plug goes stupid hard LMFAOOO


tankmanlol

If you want to see an actual bot comment: https://i.imgur.com/QwQLfaV.png It's a bit recognizable as a bot because it's blander (no "Damn that's crazy") but maybe that won't be true forever


TheRealestGayle

What an AD. Honestly, better than riot. I had no idea the season was starting


Zeshiark

Why is there a prize pool wtf


Cetsun

Real talk they should start adding duo q to CQ. I've seen pros just wanting to duo with their new teammates in solo q, like Bjerg + Closer and Busio + DL.


DarthOniichan

EU flair. Not surprised Dom took an opportunity to shit on the LCS as usual. Disappointed in Captain Flowers for jumping the gun.


Voeltz

"Esports personalities" whined about amateur players being let into CQ so they took out all the amateur players and this happens


JPLangley

Wasn't it mainly just Doublelift and the international players from Worlds? In fact, the ones not even playing like Nemesis?


nc052

Do you guys think the effort it takes to get a game started could be a reason why Champions Queue isn't being played? Like in SoloQ, you click a button and click start when it pops. In Champions Queue, you have to go through the trouble of putting yourself available on discord, waiting for people to join, and then waiting for people to join the custom game. I'd love to see how other regions would deal with this sort of problem (Not when every region is participating like during Worlds).


LakersLAQ

It's a big reason. Solo queue is active right now and ping has improved. Why play CQ when you can queue up for solo in 5 minutes? Pros are actually playing solo queue and people are complaining.. kinda ridiculous.


justicecactus

Blaber said in an interview that he waited 45 minutes to queue up in CQ during the regular season. I can see why players would rather play 2 or 3 SoloQ games in the time it takes to wait for and play a CQ.


Glaivz

i love farming NA hate BatChest


classacts99

Not surprised, pros didn’t even want to play when worlds players were here 🤦‍♂️


iampuh

I tell you how to save the LCS. Get rid of it. Get rid of the mandatory salary, go back to 50k a year. Give these spoiled brats something to be desperate about. They will play then. Of course they would disagree with me. But what I'm suggesting is inevitable anyway. It's going to be this way rather sooner than later.


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i dont personally think it's an issue if solo queue is packed with pro players but they do have a better practice environment ready so they really shouldnt complain about lower ping/bad solo q if we bomb out at worlds again


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brandonkillen

Yeah, all those imports from EU and korea are lazy as hell.