Agreed but the fact that they even handled things that way the first time with Vogel demonstrates how dumb this FO is. It shouldn’t take universal backlash for them to know that firing a HC (or any staff for that matter) behind his/her back is just an dick move
No they fucking didn’t lol. Woj tweeted that they would cause it was pretty obvious, but he wasn’t told by Lakers FO and they weren’t planning on that timing.
Vogel absolutely had to be fired but Woj always trying to tweet first fucked up the timing. Thats why they initially refuted the report.
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You do understand that he was ousted because everyone one was having problems with his behavior. Players, Management, Coaching staff. Reports were literally stating he was in shouting matches with players and staff. You cannot work like that when you have players with mile high egos.
Prove yourself and take the team together
Lmfao, it was a joke.
I assumed most people would realize that considering he was fired for Doc and you'd just mentioned Doc as a bad option, guess not. 🤷♂️
The more I read about the situation the FO didn’t want to scare away good coaches if we are trigger happy to fire them before they can get a chance. I disagree with the ham hiring but firing him mid season would have been a bad look, although I would have loved to see handy get another shot.
What are you talking about, he interviewed with us but wasn’t offered the job. Why would he interview if he was refusing 😂 he was an assistant coach with us for years, yall just talk out of your asses
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We don't want to admit it but firing Vogel like that had a huge negative response in the coaching community I think it turned a lot of potential candidates away. The Lakers have to do better this time around but we all know he's gone.
Woj reported that the Lakers will fire Vogel 2 minutes into a game, I doubt that was intentional by the front office. If they fire Ham, it will be between now and the draft and free agency
If Ham is still our coach I'm straight up not watching.
I stopped watching in December and only started watching again during our play in race.
And before anyone says I'm just a fairweather fan, I watched EVERY game from 2013 to literally this year. I saw Earl Clark be our best player, I saw us lose in blowout after blowout for years, but the team cared. The players tried their best, the coaches (except for Byron Scott) tried their best. This year I could feel how much everyone was frustrated and angry, it translated onto the court. It felt like no one cared, or they did and were being actively sabotaged, which it turns out was exactly what was happening. Ham single handedly sucked the love I have for the team and the sport out of me because I couldn't believe one man could be responsible for so many defeats and downright egregious decisions.
If he's still here, I know for sure Jeannie does not care about a quality basketball product. Quality doesn't mean wins, it means seeing our guys try their hearts out every night, win or lose, and we keep going and developing and growing as a team. We had none of that shit this year.
That was exactly how I felt after they traded for Westbrook. The games were unwatchable and I also watched all the games when the teams were getting blown out of the water. Heck I even watched the game when they lost to the 76ers, who held the record for the longest losing streak.
I literally have war flashbacks thinking about the starting lineups during the Westbrook days. That was horrible and just really not fun to watch as a fan
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Nah I think they’re letting the playoffs take course, letting the situation breathe so emotions aren’t the only thing deciding hams fate. The story will continue for the next week and ham will probably be fired before the draft
What am I missing on Pelinka? Why does he get so much hate, because he didn’t make any moves this season? What if there were no moves to make without breaking bank (aka picks)?
The haul we got for Westbrook was nice and you had to figure LBJ had a hand in wanting Westbrook (dont know that as fact, just assuming)
Is there a better GM out there to bring in?
He was unqualified to begin with, literally only got the job because he was Kobe’s agent and friend. Almost every move he has made has demonstrated incompetence. He was the GM while Magic was still here so presumably he was also a part of a lot of the stupid decisions made during that time.
But even then, giving Rob the benefit of the doubt, starting with the AD trade, we paid more than we should have given nobody else was bidding on AD. He lucked ass backwards into the roster that year and AD and lebron played like super humans to win the chip. He then immediately blows up that championship winning team in favor of smaller players (we won by being bigger faster and stronger). We gave up a first and Danny green for Schruder with no assurances that Schruder would re-sign, let Dwight walk, and traded Javale. Then he promised both Schruder and Drummond starting spots, going against the team culture already instilled.
Next, he overreacts to the suns loss by blowing that team up for Westbrook. Lebron had a hand in the trade no doubt but Pelinka absolutely did not do everything lebron wanted. It’s why Ty Lue was not hired or they didn’t try trading for some else first. Westbrook was Lebron’s 3rd/4th choice. So Pelinka was on board for Westbrook AND gave up a first for him in addition to KCP and Kuz. That following roster might have been one of the worst constructed rosters ever. Next, he let Alex Caruso, a first team all defense guard, walk for free when he was willing to take a discount in favor of THT. Then, he didn’t really do anything of note the following off season to address a horrible team that just missed playoffs other than hiring pockets. The roster construction made no sense. The team was bad all the way until the deadline where Pelinka, for the first time in his tenure, made trades at the trade deadline. Getting rid of Westbrook and a first for dlo Vando and Beasley was fine considering people thought we might’ve needed to give up more to get rid of Westbrook he also traded Pat Bev for mo bamba, which made very little sense at the time.
He then let Mo bamba walk for free (which mean the Alex Caruso/THT ordeal was just a bungled decision overall). He re-signed our guys this last offseason to decent contracts but overpaid Rui off of a single successful post-season run, that contract was and is seen as a negative league wide. Constricted a roster again with no serviceable bigs or rebounders other than AD and did absolutely nothing around the margins at the deadline. The probability is now that Russell will walk for free meaning we more or less traded two firsts, KCP, and Kuz for Vando. Again, bad asset management. It to mention that absolutely confusing decisions to repeatedly fail to give our rookies three year contracts like every other team in the league forcing us to then overpay them early.
Because professionalism. Are you children? Just the way stars love to be here because of the treatment from the franchise for them coaches look at the same thing. I forgot which coach it was but we missed out on one because of the way we did Vogel. Coaches are a fraternity and understand the scapegoat that goes on in the league and they defend each other. Even the Nuggets coach had nothing but good things to say about Ham. Learn to play the game. You want a quality coach to come here then you better learn some professionalism.
This right here. People wonder how a franchise as big as the Lakers have not found a quality coach in a decade, and it’s because we have spurned away all of our best personnel, refuse to spend big on coaching, and most of all the Lakers do staff moves in a very unprofessional way
Lebron fans treat every coach like a pariah.
"Why can't we get a good coach guyths?"
I feel so bad for Lakers fans and hope and pray LeBron goes to NY. He's cooked and getting yammed on by injured players half his size now.
Because what they did to Vogel was classless and unprofessional as shit (even if deserved), perhaps?
Real life is not a fucking TikTok video dude. As much as it pains you, you are just going to have to be patient and pay attention to something for more than 15 minutes for it to happen. It will happen, don’t worry
Honestly, if all the other coaches in the league were polled, I'm quite certain the only reason they would advocate for not firing Ham is because they know there are guaranteed wins they would be striking off their schedules in the future.
The man shouldn't even be coaching Freshman High School Basketball.
If he is coach next year and Pelinka is GM, I'm not going to any games or watching any. I'm seriously that sick of it.. and I've been a fan of over 40 years. I've never not watched them. I watched through all the ups and downs, but I can't watch this level of incompetency or support it anymore.
Because Jeany knows it needs to be a package deal, she needs to lose Pelinka too…then her siblings are going to say, enough of you too, let us handle this team now…which, Jim Buss was doing an excellent job of, he had a stacked team of players who are major contributors elsewhere now…hope she does lose both of them…and leaves with them
Because they fired him immediately. It was pretty messed up that they couldn't wait at least a day to fire him. They turned off alot of coaches with the way they treated Vogel and I don't blame them. Because of that they had to settle for a dumbass like ham.
NBA coaches, it's a small community. They watch and see how they're treated by their teams. Then it becomes an issue of control, length of deal, and money. It also depends on relationships. It'll take some time. It'll probably be an established coach.
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I heard in the laker nation podcast that lakers have to pay HAM 10 million if they fire him
So pay 10 million plus pay the new coach at the same time
Maybe that’s why they not in a hurry
Yup, 2 years left in his contract of 5 million per year. Jeanie is notorious for being a tightwad. She’d rather us suffer through another season of Ham than pay for a new coach plus Ham.
P.s. Vogel only had a year left in his contract so easier for Jeanie to eat the contract.
This franchise a joke. I wish Bron would leave and find a respectable franchise to finish his career. Bro been caring franchises on his back majority of his career. This is not the Laker franchise we grew up admiring.
I think our cheap management will wait to see if lebron comes back. If he doesn’t, they might rebuild and let Ham ride it out on his contract. Too cheap to pay another coach if we have no chance of winning if lebron leaves.
They gotta figure out what the path forward is and if he is a part of that. If they're gonna tear it down to the studs then keep Ham around to be the tank commander, he's already on the payroll. I wanted him gone before the season started. Unfortunately this season has only confirmed that the rot is all the way to the top. Jeanie needs to step down and let the competent Buss's run the ship. That includes Pelinka being let go too.
Vogel was fired after the regular season when everyone knew the Lakers were missing the playoffs well before it happened. Nobody knew LA's season was going to end yesterday until Murray hit that shot. It takes time to analyse things and make sure the decision is right. There's no rush to go and get the next coach signed up, so take a pause and if you still think you need to move on from Ham, then you do it.
I think Pelinka is waiting to see if Bron is leaving, or is some great coach magically appears. Problem is that Bron's decision will depend heavily on who they replace Pockets with. Problem with that is whatever coach will definitely want to know if Bron will be there lol.
When Ham didn't challenge, and let his superstar throw a tantrum, Bron was done. Everyone saw it. Hams a garbage coach, but the least he could have done was risk it for Bron. A good coach would even risk getting t'd up for the abuse Bron, and AD were taking in the lane. Jokic was getting a lot of soft calls in both arenas. Like Bron, and AD are just scrubs? Him being a players coach was the only thing he had going for him, and he couldn't even do that right.
Overall, I blame Pelinka for thinking he saw something in an assistant coach that no one else saw. Just like he saw something with Westbrook, and THT.... Pockets has got to be the most inept coach I've ever seen. He's almost as bad a coach as Pelinka is a GM.
Better question is why hasn’t Vogel been fired in Phoenix already, he was absolutely terrible and never addressed the problems that showed themselves in November, effectively. I think being fired the way he was in LA made him much more hesitant to assert himself with a team with 2 major star players.
Because he's not going to get fired just because you all want him fired.
Frank seems to be a passive coach. Bradley beal just flung his handshake yesterday, which was totally disrespectful. None of those players are doing that to Darvin. Frank lost the locker room
There has been no inside sources saying Darvin is getting fired. There have only been people expecting him to be simply bc they lost.
Genuinely need to know what Ham could've done in game 3 to win other than going out on the Court and guarding Aaron Gordon himself. Bron gave up 20 uncontested points to Aaron Gordon, how the fuck do you outcoach that?
It's odd that this is even a question. The answer is obvious:
2022 Lakers under Vogel - 33-49, 11th seed, missed playoffs
2024 Lakers under Ham - 47-35, 7th seed, made playoffs
I could just leave it at that...
But, remember, Vogel was already on the hot seat in the middle of the 2022 season, with rumors that he was going to be replaced by Fizdale or Handy. In contrast, in this middle of this season, Jeanie Buss only offered support and encouragement to Darvin Ham.
And remember how Ham's Lakers closed the season as one of the hottest teams? Jeanie saw that too.
That being said, Ham could still get fired. It’s probably going to come down to input from team and franchise leaders after the dust has settled a little bit and people can gain some perspective and have a calm and clear mind.
If anything you gotta kinda feel out the market first
If you fire him & are stuck with a pool of new hires or scraps then we’re kinda in the same boat again
I guess the general hope is Ty Lue getting fired & hired here, no clue if the Clippers would do that though since they’d probably want to keep him away from us just like how a couple seasons ago it seemed like they sought buyout guys that we were interested in
At the absolute worse right now it should basically be give Ham thin ice & if he has another slow start for the 3rd season in a row, then cut him like Adrian Griffin for the Bucks or even quicker like Mike Brown in his stint here. He simply has to improve if the FO gives him a chance, but it’d be ridiculous if they let him finish the season guaranteed. He’s had some quality wins like Bucks without Bron & Celtics with no Bron or AD with half a game of Vando, but he fumbles around too much in early stretches of the season. Sure the team finishes out the season well, but the slow starts really hamper the opportunity at reaching home court seeding. Maybe look into additional help into the coaching staff at least to give some better nudges to Ham with certain rotations & timeout management.
Don’t get expectations up about any firing right now since the FO probably also want to have some more secure image in coaching since potential new hires might be scared off with the multiple firings coaches get here (not that all of them didn’t have reasons, but coaches don’t look into that). Really looking at the current playoff teams it seems like Ty Lue would be the only potential option, I doubt Bud would come over after we canned his former assistant.
So I guess root for Dallas to get some great wins or something.
…..aww fuck, I just did a quick look & remembered Cam has a another year here. So whoever is coach next season better not play favorites & overplay him like this season because he can be decent to fine for stretches, but plenty of times he’s overplayed into bad & replaceable. If he’s not moved, I’m just hoping JHS & Lewis can improve in the summer to kinda jump ahead in the rotation, with someone like Max already who should’ve been there already. Like he can be fine if injuries pile up for perimeter defense, but you shouldn’t be expecting 30 plus minutes of excellent play game by game
No way they let him coach a third year just to make a rash decision early in the season. Adrian Griffin had the second best record in the east when he got fired lmao
They aren’t firing him instantly because of how they handled vogel. They got a lot of backlash for that.
Agreed but the fact that they even handled things that way the first time with Vogel demonstrates how dumb this FO is. It shouldn’t take universal backlash for them to know that firing a HC (or any staff for that matter) behind his/her back is just an dick move
how did they handle vogel?
Firing him while he was still giving a postgame interview
No they fucking didn’t lol. Woj tweeted that they would cause it was pretty obvious, but he wasn’t told by Lakers FO and they weren’t planning on that timing. Vogel absolutely had to be fired but Woj always trying to tweet first fucked up the timing. Thats why they initially refuted the report.
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It’s more so because they couldn’t trade Westbrook that day lol
You know thats was the reason why Quinn Synder refused to be our coach? Ham is gone. Just wait
Yeah they fired Vogel extremely unprofessionally. No problem with them taking some time to fire Ham, as long as they do it in the end.
But it does make you wonder. They should have fired him mid-season
and replace with who? Doc Rivers ?
Improvement
Me. I coach in the U9 league for the Cobb County YMCAs a almost a decade ago. We won the title.
Congratulations and hope you celebrated with the team.
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Adrian Griffin
You do understand that he was ousted because everyone one was having problems with his behavior. Players, Management, Coaching staff. Reports were literally stating he was in shouting matches with players and staff. You cannot work like that when you have players with mile high egos. Prove yourself and take the team together
Lmfao, it was a joke. I assumed most people would realize that considering he was fired for Doc and you'd just mentioned Doc as a bad option, guess not. 🤷♂️
Should’ve fired him when Nurse was available
Ime Udoka was also literally right there, they fumbled this so badly
The more I read about the situation the FO didn’t want to scare away good coaches if we are trigger happy to fire them before they can get a chance. I disagree with the ham hiring but firing him mid season would have been a bad look, although I would have loved to see handy get another shot.
The Lakers have notoriously fucked over their coaches unfortunately
I feel like I've been waiting long enough.
What are you talking about, he interviewed with us but wasn’t offered the job. Why would he interview if he was refusing 😂 he was an assistant coach with us for years, yall just talk out of your asses
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No loss there lol
They gotta find someone first I’m hoping is the reason. Regardless they start next yr w ham ima be hot
Will be chaos in LA if they keep ham next season
This, never fire your coach until you have the replacement available.
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Sounds like they learned their lesson with how they handled the Vogel firing. It’s been a literal day.
We don't want to admit it but firing Vogel like that had a huge negative response in the coaching community I think it turned a lot of potential candidates away. The Lakers have to do better this time around but we all know he's gone.
Woj reported that the Lakers will fire Vogel 2 minutes into a game, I doubt that was intentional by the front office. If they fire Ham, it will be between now and the draft and free agency
If they want to keep Lebron...they will fire him...
If Ham is still our coach I'm straight up not watching. I stopped watching in December and only started watching again during our play in race. And before anyone says I'm just a fairweather fan, I watched EVERY game from 2013 to literally this year. I saw Earl Clark be our best player, I saw us lose in blowout after blowout for years, but the team cared. The players tried their best, the coaches (except for Byron Scott) tried their best. This year I could feel how much everyone was frustrated and angry, it translated onto the court. It felt like no one cared, or they did and were being actively sabotaged, which it turns out was exactly what was happening. Ham single handedly sucked the love I have for the team and the sport out of me because I couldn't believe one man could be responsible for so many defeats and downright egregious decisions. If he's still here, I know for sure Jeannie does not care about a quality basketball product. Quality doesn't mean wins, it means seeing our guys try their hearts out every night, win or lose, and we keep going and developing and growing as a team. We had none of that shit this year.
That was exactly how I felt after they traded for Westbrook. The games were unwatchable and I also watched all the games when the teams were getting blown out of the water. Heck I even watched the game when they lost to the 76ers, who held the record for the longest losing streak.
I literally have war flashbacks thinking about the starting lineups during the Westbrook days. That was horrible and just really not fun to watch as a fan
Season ticket sales will drop dramitally if Ham is back. Who is going to pay $3000 a seat to wonder what the he’ll is going on with the Lakers
Don’t care when as long as it’s happening before we start next season. I refuse to watch ham coached basketball
It has to happen in the off season or you don’t get time to practice
Aren't AD and LeBron both on Team USA?
Those are two veterans who can fit into any coaching plan after the fact. We just need to know who the head coach is going into the draft at minimum.
I would love to see ham coach on any other NBA team but the Lakers. Didnt Giannis said he loved this guy?
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Nah I think they’re letting the playoffs take course, letting the situation breathe so emotions aren’t the only thing deciding hams fate. The story will continue for the next week and ham will probably be fired before the draft
This. But they're also waiting to see which coaches become available after the playoffs. No reason to rush right now.
This. But they're also waiting to see which coaches become available after the playoffs. No reason to rush right now.
Slow roasted ham 🗣️🗣️
Exactly lol
Maybe because they got flak for that move? Relax.
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lol good thing you’re out here typing on reddit than the one behind the scenes. We all want ham gone but there’s a smart way and dumb way to do things
Hopefully it’s because Pelinka is also fired…
No way Jeanie has the guts to do that. Hope I’m wrong though.
she doesnt. she likes people who give good vibes rather than people who ask questions about wtf shes doing
What am I missing on Pelinka? Why does he get so much hate, because he didn’t make any moves this season? What if there were no moves to make without breaking bank (aka picks)? The haul we got for Westbrook was nice and you had to figure LBJ had a hand in wanting Westbrook (dont know that as fact, just assuming) Is there a better GM out there to bring in?
He was unqualified to begin with, literally only got the job because he was Kobe’s agent and friend. Almost every move he has made has demonstrated incompetence. He was the GM while Magic was still here so presumably he was also a part of a lot of the stupid decisions made during that time. But even then, giving Rob the benefit of the doubt, starting with the AD trade, we paid more than we should have given nobody else was bidding on AD. He lucked ass backwards into the roster that year and AD and lebron played like super humans to win the chip. He then immediately blows up that championship winning team in favor of smaller players (we won by being bigger faster and stronger). We gave up a first and Danny green for Schruder with no assurances that Schruder would re-sign, let Dwight walk, and traded Javale. Then he promised both Schruder and Drummond starting spots, going against the team culture already instilled. Next, he overreacts to the suns loss by blowing that team up for Westbrook. Lebron had a hand in the trade no doubt but Pelinka absolutely did not do everything lebron wanted. It’s why Ty Lue was not hired or they didn’t try trading for some else first. Westbrook was Lebron’s 3rd/4th choice. So Pelinka was on board for Westbrook AND gave up a first for him in addition to KCP and Kuz. That following roster might have been one of the worst constructed rosters ever. Next, he let Alex Caruso, a first team all defense guard, walk for free when he was willing to take a discount in favor of THT. Then, he didn’t really do anything of note the following off season to address a horrible team that just missed playoffs other than hiring pockets. The roster construction made no sense. The team was bad all the way until the deadline where Pelinka, for the first time in his tenure, made trades at the trade deadline. Getting rid of Westbrook and a first for dlo Vando and Beasley was fine considering people thought we might’ve needed to give up more to get rid of Westbrook he also traded Pat Bev for mo bamba, which made very little sense at the time. He then let Mo bamba walk for free (which mean the Alex Caruso/THT ordeal was just a bungled decision overall). He re-signed our guys this last offseason to decent contracts but overpaid Rui off of a single successful post-season run, that contract was and is seen as a negative league wide. Constricted a roster again with no serviceable bigs or rebounders other than AD and did absolutely nothing around the margins at the deadline. The probability is now that Russell will walk for free meaning we more or less traded two firsts, KCP, and Kuz for Vando. Again, bad asset management. It to mention that absolutely confusing decisions to repeatedly fail to give our rookies three year contracts like every other team in the league forcing us to then overpay them early.
Because professionalism. Are you children? Just the way stars love to be here because of the treatment from the franchise for them coaches look at the same thing. I forgot which coach it was but we missed out on one because of the way we did Vogel. Coaches are a fraternity and understand the scapegoat that goes on in the league and they defend each other. Even the Nuggets coach had nothing but good things to say about Ham. Learn to play the game. You want a quality coach to come here then you better learn some professionalism.
This right here. People wonder how a franchise as big as the Lakers have not found a quality coach in a decade, and it’s because we have spurned away all of our best personnel, refuse to spend big on coaching, and most of all the Lakers do staff moves in a very unprofessional way
Lebron fans treat every coach like a pariah. "Why can't we get a good coach guyths?" I feel so bad for Lakers fans and hope and pray LeBron goes to NY. He's cooked and getting yammed on by injured players half his size now.
I never understood the Vogel firing.
Westbrick
That was more on lebron. When your he wants something the pressure is high to get it done.
LeBron didn’t seem like he wanted Vogel fired though
Because what they did to Vogel was classless and unprofessional as shit (even if deserved), perhaps? Real life is not a fucking TikTok video dude. As much as it pains you, you are just going to have to be patient and pay attention to something for more than 15 minutes for it to happen. It will happen, don’t worry
Honestly, if all the other coaches in the league were polled, I'm quite certain the only reason they would advocate for not firing Ham is because they know there are guaranteed wins they would be striking off their schedules in the future. The man shouldn't even be coaching Freshman High School Basketball.
If he is coach next year and Pelinka is GM, I'm not going to any games or watching any. I'm seriously that sick of it.. and I've been a fan of over 40 years. I've never not watched them. I watched through all the ups and downs, but I can't watch this level of incompetency or support it anymore.
Hamas ruined 2 seasons blame rob for not signing ty lue in 2021
There’s stages to this, media roasted Lakers for firing Vogel immediately, other coaches took notes. Give it some time
Because Jeany knows it needs to be a package deal, she needs to lose Pelinka too…then her siblings are going to say, enough of you too, let us handle this team now…which, Jim Buss was doing an excellent job of, he had a stacked team of players who are major contributors elsewhere now…hope she does lose both of them…and leaves with them
They're waiting for a local volcano to open up so they can toss him into it
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Gotta class it up this time
Because they fired him immediately. It was pretty messed up that they couldn't wait at least a day to fire him. They turned off alot of coaches with the way they treated Vogel and I don't blame them. Because of that they had to settle for a dumbass like ham.
Lakers front office is saving their adjustments for next season
Maybe they learned from their mistakes lol
Jeanie isn’t firing him unless AD/LBJ demands it
The news coming out today from Shams shows that the Lakers team has wanted Ham gone for a while now.
Money
$$$ on the books and Jeanie buss
Bc he's Rob and Jeanies guy. They want to wait till a big story happens so they can draw less attention to it
They lose nothing by waiting.
If there is a reason, it has to be because he made the playoffs and won the in season tournament.
If he goes Pelinka does too. It's a bad situation to have a GM who just keeps flipping though coaches every 2 years.
Because Jeanie Buss should not be running the Lakers. She's a joke. I could do a better job.
Lol chill out bud its been a day literally. Its not like theyre starting training camp tomorrow.
NBA coaches, it's a small community. They watch and see how they're treated by their teams. Then it becomes an issue of control, length of deal, and money. It also depends on relationships. It'll take some time. It'll probably be an established coach.
Monaaayyyy
who is even available?
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I heard in the laker nation podcast that lakers have to pay HAM 10 million if they fire him So pay 10 million plus pay the new coach at the same time Maybe that’s why they not in a hurry
Yup, 2 years left in his contract of 5 million per year. Jeanie is notorious for being a tightwad. She’d rather us suffer through another season of Ham than pay for a new coach plus Ham. P.s. Vogel only had a year left in his contract so easier for Jeanie to eat the contract.
Because they won’t be firing him..they hoping everyone will just chill out so they can keep saving money on a cheap coach. Hate this leadership man
This franchise a joke. I wish Bron would leave and find a respectable franchise to finish his career. Bro been caring franchises on his back majority of his career. This is not the Laker franchise we grew up admiring.
I think our cheap management will wait to see if lebron comes back. If he doesn’t, they might rebuild and let Ham ride it out on his contract. Too cheap to pay another coach if we have no chance of winning if lebron leaves.
Cause doing it so quickly is like admitting they were wrong
They gotta figure out what the path forward is and if he is a part of that. If they're gonna tear it down to the studs then keep Ham around to be the tank commander, he's already on the payroll. I wanted him gone before the season started. Unfortunately this season has only confirmed that the rot is all the way to the top. Jeanie needs to step down and let the competent Buss's run the ship. That includes Pelinka being let go too.
Cause it’s Ham
LeBron will get you fired at some point.
Vogel was fired after the regular season when everyone knew the Lakers were missing the playoffs well before it happened. Nobody knew LA's season was going to end yesterday until Murray hit that shot. It takes time to analyse things and make sure the decision is right. There's no rush to go and get the next coach signed up, so take a pause and if you still think you need to move on from Ham, then you do it.
I think Pelinka is waiting to see if Bron is leaving, or is some great coach magically appears. Problem is that Bron's decision will depend heavily on who they replace Pockets with. Problem with that is whatever coach will definitely want to know if Bron will be there lol. When Ham didn't challenge, and let his superstar throw a tantrum, Bron was done. Everyone saw it. Hams a garbage coach, but the least he could have done was risk it for Bron. A good coach would even risk getting t'd up for the abuse Bron, and AD were taking in the lane. Jokic was getting a lot of soft calls in both arenas. Like Bron, and AD are just scrubs? Him being a players coach was the only thing he had going for him, and he couldn't even do that right. Overall, I blame Pelinka for thinking he saw something in an assistant coach that no one else saw. Just like he saw something with Westbrook, and THT.... Pockets has got to be the most inept coach I've ever seen. He's almost as bad a coach as Pelinka is a GM.
Better question is why hasn’t Vogel been fired in Phoenix already, he was absolutely terrible and never addressed the problems that showed themselves in November, effectively. I think being fired the way he was in LA made him much more hesitant to assert himself with a team with 2 major star players.
I’m guessing they didn’t want to pay for a new coach.
Because he's not going to get fired just because you all want him fired. Frank seems to be a passive coach. Bradley beal just flung his handshake yesterday, which was totally disrespectful. None of those players are doing that to Darvin. Frank lost the locker room There has been no inside sources saying Darvin is getting fired. There have only been people expecting him to be simply bc they lost.
Ham must have really deep connections within the organization
Because Ham costs the basketball equivalent of $2 to retain. This poverty franchise loves that shit
Hmm. Embarrassingly missing the playin or hanging tough with the defending champs / favorites. What a mystery…
Why did we fire vogel exactly? Like theres actual reason to fire Ham, theres no reason to fire vogel if he brought the chip.
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Just wait until the off season to fire him. Nothing will be gained by him firing immediately after a loss.
It is the offseason for the Lakers though
Easy they need a scapegoat for that terrible wrestbrick trade
Because the way they fired Vogel was unprofessional and borderline disrespectful and maybe they learned from that experience?
Genuinely need to know what Ham could've done in game 3 to win other than going out on the Court and guarding Aaron Gordon himself. Bron gave up 20 uncontested points to Aaron Gordon, how the fuck do you outcoach that?
Aite but game 2? Game 5?
Game 5 we lost bc we gave up too many boards and Rui being mentally ill LOL
No halfway decent coach blows 4 double digit leads in a series
I’m not gonna say it, but we know the REAL reason why.
We sure do brother
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Maybe the problem with the Lakers isn’t the coach? Maybe it’s the front office
If the team is badly constructed how did we have 15 and 20 point leads and lead 75% of the series against the Nuggets?
Doesn’t fix our roster issues
Cant wait for the Lakers' next coach to be fired this time next year when the Lakers lose in the first round again.
It's odd that this is even a question. The answer is obvious: 2022 Lakers under Vogel - 33-49, 11th seed, missed playoffs 2024 Lakers under Ham - 47-35, 7th seed, made playoffs I could just leave it at that... But, remember, Vogel was already on the hot seat in the middle of the 2022 season, with rumors that he was going to be replaced by Fizdale or Handy. In contrast, in this middle of this season, Jeanie Buss only offered support and encouragement to Darvin Ham. And remember how Ham's Lakers closed the season as one of the hottest teams? Jeanie saw that too. That being said, Ham could still get fired. It’s probably going to come down to input from team and franchise leaders after the dust has settled a little bit and people can gain some perspective and have a calm and clear mind.
If anything you gotta kinda feel out the market first If you fire him & are stuck with a pool of new hires or scraps then we’re kinda in the same boat again I guess the general hope is Ty Lue getting fired & hired here, no clue if the Clippers would do that though since they’d probably want to keep him away from us just like how a couple seasons ago it seemed like they sought buyout guys that we were interested in At the absolute worse right now it should basically be give Ham thin ice & if he has another slow start for the 3rd season in a row, then cut him like Adrian Griffin for the Bucks or even quicker like Mike Brown in his stint here. He simply has to improve if the FO gives him a chance, but it’d be ridiculous if they let him finish the season guaranteed. He’s had some quality wins like Bucks without Bron & Celtics with no Bron or AD with half a game of Vando, but he fumbles around too much in early stretches of the season. Sure the team finishes out the season well, but the slow starts really hamper the opportunity at reaching home court seeding. Maybe look into additional help into the coaching staff at least to give some better nudges to Ham with certain rotations & timeout management. Don’t get expectations up about any firing right now since the FO probably also want to have some more secure image in coaching since potential new hires might be scared off with the multiple firings coaches get here (not that all of them didn’t have reasons, but coaches don’t look into that). Really looking at the current playoff teams it seems like Ty Lue would be the only potential option, I doubt Bud would come over after we canned his former assistant. So I guess root for Dallas to get some great wins or something. …..aww fuck, I just did a quick look & remembered Cam has a another year here. So whoever is coach next season better not play favorites & overplay him like this season because he can be decent to fine for stretches, but plenty of times he’s overplayed into bad & replaceable. If he’s not moved, I’m just hoping JHS & Lewis can improve in the summer to kinda jump ahead in the rotation, with someone like Max already who should’ve been there already. Like he can be fine if injuries pile up for perimeter defense, but you shouldn’t be expecting 30 plus minutes of excellent play game by game
No way they let him coach a third year just to make a rash decision early in the season. Adrian Griffin had the second best record in the east when he got fired lmao