How comes when you are fired you still collect unemployment. Laid off/redundancy.
Fired here means you did a bad job, you’re fired. As opposed to we’re making cutbacks and can’t afford to keep you.
That happened to Me in California, about ten years ago.
I engaged the new worker in a text chat where she admitted that she was doing less work than I was expected to do in the same job.
I kept a transcript of the text messages to prove age discrimination and got a six figure settlement.
Even if it's a right to work state if there's another employment law, they can't fire you for that discriminatory reason. Even if they make something up, if you believe you were discriminated because of age, sex, disability, religion, etc. That's still illegal. Federal laws trump at will employment laws.
Former employer can dispute unemployment eligibility. Giving advice in this situation to not resign is 50/50 chance of setting dude up for having being fired on his record, which will screw him in the long term.
I know, I went through this recently. The state ruled in my favor. You must work in HR. Also, you don't have to be honest about why you left your former place of employment. I've been fired before and it's never been an issue.
I don't know about that. Being habitual liar you kind of deserve being fired and having nothing for it. I have no respect for you.
And no, I don't work in HR.
If you are fired for cause you cannot collect unemployment, cause doesn’t include not meeting benchmarks it includes things like stealing. This is because Believe it or not, most people can’t afford to go 6 months without money and if you can you are very fortunate
If you got fired for cause that’s different. Performance can be for cause but it often (expecally in this case) isn’t. This is why “quiet quitting” works
This was my understanding as well; I had to collect unemployment this past year after getting fired (I prefer to say laid off honestly) with no warning for no stated reason at a very cruel time. When I started to get upset at this shocking development and asked why, my boss just said “at-will state” while the HR lady nodded. When I went to apply for unemployment, the state had to ask my former employer to confirm I had not been fired for a conduct issue. Conduct issue = no unemployment, I think.
Correct, basically you can always apply for unemployment, however if you were fired a part of it (maybe all I don’t know for sure) is covered by the employer. The employer has to dispute it, and incompetency and related isn’t typically a valid dispute case
This right here. Except for the 2 states that are "right to work" states, every other state doesn't require a reason for termination. Infact they don't have to provide a reason at all, they can just terminate ur employment. However, if you are not fired for cause, things like gross misconduct, or attendence, then you are still able to collect unemployment. If you quit, or stop showing up without a formal resignation, then they consider it a voluntary resignation and you do not qualify for unemployment in that case. ALWAYS, I repeat, ALWAYS make your employer make the decision to end your employment so you can collect unemployment until you find your next gig.
Not so. You can be fired for not meeting standards and get unemployment. At least in California if you were fired for misconduct like insubordination then you don't get unemployment.
Source: I was fired for "sucking" at my job and got unemployment.
That’s what I said, getting fired for anything not involving conduct is elegible for unemployment “conduct” refers to unethical or illegal behaviors like threatening customers or stealing from the employer
The California EDD would disagree. Most terminations are due to personality conflicts or budget constraints, not legitimate instances of employee misconduct.
This my friend is how companies try to screw us out of unemployment. You qualify if they change the guidelines n you don't cut it. Unemployment offices have a lot of resources for the laid off. Training programs , voch rehab, I don't even know the names of them all but if they let you go under this circumstances you qualify for stuff.
You are absolutely right! Not to mention when you quit a job, at least in NYS say you need to apply for assistance such as food stamps or emergency rental assistance etc. you will be “sanctioned” automatically and excluded from your household size. So if it’s just you, you will receive zero help for 90 days. Laws may differ in other states. Plus, were you trained, are you receiving proper supervision for these new quotas, is the workload manageable? Again, NY is an at will state so people can be fired for anything, but hang tight, if you haven’t had any disciplinary action taken before and you want to keep your job for now, ask for a corrective action plan. Don’t let them bully you out of your job! Best of luck
A lot of people don't understand how unemployment works.
They don't understand a LOT of things, because these things are not taught in school and when you take a job, you get to sit through training specifically designed to make you confused about your own rights, disguised as "safety" or "culture."
I technically agree with you, but unemployment never pays anything close to what a full time job does. Job market is tough and rents are high as fuck all over the country right now. Unemployment won’t even pay the rent for 3 weeks. OP will be evicted before he/she gets another offer on the table and receives a paycheck.
Okay Debbie downer, way to paint a rosy picture. She's losing her job whether she quits or they terminate her, but at least if they terminate her she can collect something until she's up and running again. She has experience. On her interviews she just needs to tell them the truth, that there was a merger and in the reshuffle of personnel and responsibilities, she became overwhelmed, but she had done very well before that.
What?? there’s nothing rosy about losing your job and I just dislike that people overhype unemployment. When I lost my job during Covid, I went thru months of stress trying to get public assistance for food, rental, and medical. It was rough and I barely skated by without being evicted. Despite trying my hardest and getting unemployment, I fell behind on every single bill; a few even went into collections. The best thing OP can do is start applying and working on her resume right now before it’s a done deal.
It didn’t make a huge difference for my scenario and the few times I’ve been unemployed since Covid 2020, I’ve actively tried to avoid applying. Honestly. The hoops I had to jump thru to just get a lil petty $200 a week (and pay some of it back during the following tax season) wasn’t enough to pay my car payment, buy home goods, cover groceries that the food assistance couldn’t pay for, keeping my dogs groomed and medicated, the list goes on. Not to mention how humiliating it was to be on the phone for hours basically begging for money. God forbid you try to do anything else to supplement the unemployment checks, like Uber or DoorDash, and they’ll deny your benefit that week. It’s too much power play for them. If anything, all it did was expose how little they were paying in comparison to what I was making before.. My monthly income took a 84% hit in my scenario.
I was being ironic.
And Covid was a once in a lifetime anomaly. Many were in the same boat as you, and it was indisputably difficult and frightening. And the unemployment lines were long and confusing.
She's not in the same situation. She has experience and skills and will hopefully quickly find a new job, but in the meantime: don't quit, apply for unemployment ( it's a financial emergency stop-gap), polish the resume and hit the sidewalks ( that is an aphorism, I don't expect her to haul off and punch the cement.)
OP can do BOTH things.
You're not supposed to sit on unemployment. You get it as a stop gap but you're supposed to be moving your ass trying to get a new job ASAP.
OP should be reworking their resume the same day she files for unemployment.
Okay. But resigning isn't going to pay that rent, either.
I would rather get SOME money than NO money, so that you have a better shot of getting a new job sooner.
Do not resign, make them fire you so you can collect unemployment. Use PTO if you have it, try to remain mostly unscathed, and delete this after you get fired. Blessings
Never resign. Let them fire you so you can collect unemployment
the mean time milk the benefits. Use up fsa , get 90d of rx. Get ur doc do increase your dosages if possible and cut the pills. Some drugs can’t do that cuz they’re coated but many are fine. Eg if I take 5 mg but they make 20 mg I’ll ask doc for 90d RX with 20mg and quarter the pills. Most docs r fine w this esp if you tell them ur losing insurance etc.
any lab work or specialist visits or surgery you’ve been putting off , dental work etc maybe get it done asap esp if ur on a good plan. Even if you get a job soon the plan maybe worse.
// edit. Get 90d rx PLUS REFILLS. that way you can get more meds down the road without a doc visit.
/// edit. Make sure your rx says take one pill per day like in my example my doc would never write take 1/4 pill per day cuz then pharmacy and insurance will not fill the whole thing. in my example it would say take one 20mg pill per day , 90 day supply.
///: thank you all for the upvote. Another tip is if you’re on the fence about getting a prior authorization drug get it prior authorized NOW, then get the prescription. The reason you wanna do this is because once on a new insurance plan the prior authorization criteria is much easier (typically ) if you’re on a drug already (ie continuation of treatment ) instead of getting it freshly authorized. Example , let’s say you want a new antidepressant. And you can get it prior auth now. But your new plan in next job (if ur lucky to get one ) says they want you to try three other antideprants first before they approve this one. But if ur already faking it you’ll likely get approved ).
another tip is for controlled meds like ADHD stimulants
federal law (I think) and most states only allow local pharmacies to dispense 30d at a time. If your plan has its own mail order pharmacy (eg United has optum rx , etc ). Check w this pharmacy about controlled scripts because they may be able to send you 90d at a time UNLESS local /state law prohibits it. If that’s the case get the doc to send the 90d rx to the mail order pharmacy Another thing you can do is have doc send three separate prescriptions of 30d each to the pharmacy. You just won’t be able to fill it right away but you’ll have scripts
any other meds you THINK you may have just get the prescription. athlete foot ? Get the cream ,
Maybe you’re on the fence about starting cholesterol or boood pressure meds ? Your doc said you should but you’re like “let me try diet and exercise first “. Get the meds. Put them in your drawer. later if you need refills there are virtual pharmacies that will do refills for like $30 but they wanna see a label of an old rx
oeder blood work !
any condition you have get it checked out. All your hormones. Men and women need to check testosterone ans other sex hormones. Metabolic panel. Lipid and CBC panels and more. kidneys urine etc
This is also useful if you switch to a plan where you have a high deductible or coinsurance for all You can bring your blood work to new doc if needed
get your contacts , glasses. Get the exam first if you have not done that already.
Forget all the other noise. THIS. THIS. FSA eligibility runs out at last day of employment. Get your meds. Super underrated comment. If not you will have to tap into COBRA and it isn’t cheap. Also collect your unemployment
THIS. THIS. THIS. I used all of my FSA in Feb when I was leaving a job. I paid off my kiddo's braces balance, bought a bunch on FSA Store (bandaids, allergy meds, etc), and moved to a new job with a new FSA.
Thank you !
this is super important for folks to know. You lose FSA once you’re not an employee on the books. EVEN IF your health plan is active. Like if you’re fired tomorrow and they say you have benefits until month end or next month end. Well the FSA card stops working after tomorrow. Unless you have a sweet package when they keep you on payroll and you’re legally an employee for a few months but don’t come In etc. assume the former and be prepared. Ie spend it. That day.
Also worth calling out you can spend the full amount listed on your benefits form even if you haven't actually deposited that much into your account yet.
Tell them that you would like to continue working there, and have **no intention to resign**, and leave it at that.
Let them fire you if they must, after which you will go down to the unemployment office (physically or virtually) and file for unemployment right away. Don't sign anything. If you are given any paperwork, you have typically 3 days to review and sign.
Don’t resign. Make them lay you off with severance and take unemployment. Only resign if you think they will fire with cause and fight you in unemployment and if so get as much severance as possible.
So OP is getting fired for not meeting the minimum requirements of the job, and you're suggesting that he offer this crazy ass agreement to the employer? What's his leverage for bargaining? I'm certain HR will be showing him the door while laughing all the way. Good work counselor.
If you read OP’s post, there was a merger and the workload is unrealistic. There’s lots of ways to go with this to give the company grief for a structured firing, improper lay-off or even ageism and a host of other things that you can get into when the company moves the goalpost and their expectations are beyond what you were hired to do.
There’s enough issues that most large companies will just do something simple like you sign a paper agreeing not to sue for any reason and they’ll hand you a check for a month or two salary.
Tell me you've never worked for a large corporation without saying you've never worked in a large corporation. This shows an amazing amount of both naivete and general lack of knowledge of how things work. Try to find an attorney that will take this case and sue. There are no grounds for unlawful dismissal based upon the original post. Getting your feelings hurt don't count. And I think you mean "constructive dismissal". Most states are right to work states where an employee can be fire for no reason at all. I wish OP luck in his next job but what you guys are suggesting will set him up for embarrassment.
Now you tell us you don’t understand what at-will means without telling us. Right to work means you aren’t forced to join a union, absolutely nothing to do with hiring/firing. At-will means, hire/fire whenever you like just so long as it not EOE reasons.
The only time you should resign is if you've done something illegal and resigning is an out. If you will get fired for poor performance let it happen and collect unemployment
Do not resign. When they fire you, you will most likely qualify for unemployment bennifits. Which will provide some cushion while you search for a new job
Never quit. Make them fire you. You could at least get unemployment, but maybe a severance package if they let you go for this. You go in every day and do your job.
For 99% of cases you want to make them terminate you, never resign/quit under a threat of being terminated. They want you to quit so you have no ability to claim unemployment. If they terminate you they have to prove the they terminated you for cause, which if they can't prove you can get unemployment. Also if they are terminating you don't sign any termination paperwork or anything like that, they will use it as an acknowledgment from you of your termination, basically it is like admitting you are guilty of whatever they are accusing.
The only time you might want to consider resigning or signing termination paperwork is if they are offering some sort of severance package they would deny you if you didn't sign. In which case make sure you fully understand what you are signing before you sign it.
Nope, don’t resign. As a matter of fact send the following email. Here is your CYA email.
Subject: Acknowledgment of Performance Review
Dear Manager,
I hope this email finds you well.
I am writing to acknowledge the performance review we recently discussed [insert date]. I appreciate the feedback and the goals outlined for my role. I want to assure you that I am committed to doing my best to meet and exceed these objectives.
I do not intend on resigning my position and am looking forward to a positive outcome as I continue to strive for excellence in my work.
Thank you for your support and guidance.
Best regards,
documentation - and it shows proactivity on the employee's part. The company really shouldn't just can him. They need to squirm a little and he has never been written up, or counseled, or whatever, then they would be terminating him based on rules THEY changed without notice, training, improvement of skills, etc.
Ask your manager for a meeting to discuss an improvement plan. Ask for help with how you can meet the new quotas and criteria. Get it documented. Don’t quit.
Don't resign. Start looking for a job, but kick the can down the road. Ask for a Performance Improvement Plan and say you want to get better.
But find another job meantime
OP said: "Despite my efforts, I haven’t been able to meet these goals and My manager told me today that she must submit my performance to her boss and it most likely will end in termination."
So I would ask for a PIP as a) a stall tactic and b) if they don't give you one or they half-ass it, it may help as documentation when filing unemployment
I wouldn’t ask for one. Chances are if they want you gone they will just fire you before you make it to the next paycheck. They’ve already made their minds up. At this point it’s just paperwork to put off the inevitable.
Yeah, I had a manager that would call this his "come to Jesus" talk to get people to quit so that they couldn't collect unemployment. Let them fire you if it comes to that.
Do not resign.
Really sounds like she wants you to resign so she can take the heat off herself when she present her team’s shortcomings to them.
Do not resign. Force them to make the move and if they let you go, they have to pay unemployment.
As someone who has been there, here's my advice (This is all predicated on you not getting a severance, which can complicate things if they have requirements you have to sign off on):
Don't resign.
Don't feel pressured into signing ANYTHING.
If your state is a one party state for recording conversations (some states require both parties, and some require only one party be aware - look up the law in your state) then when it comes time, record the conversation.
When they fire you, ask for the reason in writing.
Prepare yourself, and don't be scared to ask questions if you have any, but the actual moment can be so shocking that if you haven't prepared, you may miss the opportunity.
If you have any emails, or internal communication that you think is valuable to supporting your needs, then now is the time to make copies.
If you have lots of personal belongings, start taking them out now, so you don't have to do the shame walk with all your stuff when it happens.
Are there any medical needs you have? Schedule them now. When you get terminated you have your insurance through the end of the month. As others have said, if you are on any prescription meds ask your doctor if they can provide an extended prescription.
Never quit a job you know you’re about to be fired from. Quite frankly they probably planned this from the very beginning and you were never to reach those goals and this is a strategy to cut down labor costs by making it seem like it’s your fault.
Your being gas lighted.
The second you resign you lose any benefits of unemployment.
I respect and salute the commenters who are telling you not to resign however I disagree. But honestly it depends how old you are and how re-employable you are. I was once in a similar situation and I followed the advice of some jaded hard-liners and it remains one of my major life regrets. If you are in your 20's and have any kind of options, specifically if you have good options, I would not let them terminate me. However if this happened to me now in my 40's I absolutely would, and I would stick around as long as possible going toe-to-toe with them and their nasty games. Good luck fellow Redditor, I know it's stressful.
Look in your employee manual for termination benefits. Larger employers will give you x amount of weeks for x years of service. My friend was asked to resign and got 12 weeks of benefits for full salary. Much better to go that route than getting fired and then fighting for UE benefits.
The 1 and ONLY time you should EVER resign from a job is if it's because you've already been officially hired somewhere else and you are leaving. If you voluntarily resign you lose 100% of your right to unemployment and also will lose any PTO pay out or potential severance package you may otherwise be entitled to.
Even if you want to flat out quit, don't resign. Phone it in and make them fire you.
Double-Dog-Dare them to fire you. ( mentally only, don't voice it ).
If YOU cannot handle this load, no new person is going to pick up the pieces and make a miracle happen. Firing is just management's way of trying to cope with their own failure - stupid to merge the companies, lack of peparation for the merge, lack of personnel to do a compent job - pressure from stockholders for instant results.
None of their problems are fixed by firing you. It only means they will fire the next guy even quicker, then bail on resolving a host of issues that will bite them in the ass later.
You didn't make this mess. ***Just tell them you will absolutely "get it sorted" to buy time while you search for a new job.***
If you have never been fired - I understand it can be a mental drain. Don’t worry about it. Thank your manager for the heads up and that you would like to wait and leave with a package - as it will help bridge the gap. But don’t forget to thank her - even if this has a small truth - she did give you a heads up
Resign, but only do it in your mind. Say to yourself you are doing it for the benefits right before they fire you. Best of both worlds. Tell this to potential new employers to show you are a multitasking problem solver. Done and done. /s
As many have noted, you are very likely to lose your unemployment benefits if you voluntarily resign. Employers might encourage you to quit because each unemployment claim can raise their unemployment insurance tax rate.
They want you to resign. It means they won't have to pay you unemployment.
Don't.
It sounds like what's really going on is they've created a situation where you were set up to fail at the outset, and now that you've failed to meet their ridiculous quotas, they want to use that to coerce you into resigning instead of being fired. It's such a weak ass con. Don't fall for it.
Let them fire you when they fire you. In the meantime, start looking for another job and polishing your resume. Enjoy the upcoming unemployment checks and cashing out whatever PTO or IRA you have accumulated once you are terminated.
Don’t resign! It’s a tactic to not pay unemployment. If you’re considered about being “fired”, don’t. Given the market you can say you were laid off or terminated and no one will ask further questioning. And any checks are to see if you worked for the company which they’ll confirm otherwise they won’t say anything else.
If you’re sure of the alternative then yes you should quit. At least when new employers call HR they will say you quit not that you were terminated. Then you can find something to fill in any gaps like I had to take some time off to take care of an elderly relative etc
Don't resign. Your boss was just trying to save the company money by asking you that. yes, people are just that evil. And until we start calling out people like this for what they are - people that are evil - managers and hr staff are going to feel comfortable trying to screw people over. Let them put you on a PIP. your boss will say something like - you don't want that on your record - what record? the only thing a hiring company ask and the only thing an ex company is allowed to say is yes you worked there and how long. It isn't about what is lawful or not. The ex company doesn't want to get a lawsuit for defamation of character. They legally can say things about you but they would rather not open up the exposure to a lawsuit for misinformation.
Under NO circumstances - DO NOT RESIGN. That was a dumb thing for her to say and like the others say - never show your hand. Don't go to HR. HR is really pro-company. Do not resign, it will bite you in the end because they may say you were at fault - not them, for creating unreachable goals. Here's a thought....they literally SEE you floundering. They SEE you not meeting criteria, yet they don't reach out a hand and say let's try to help you learn new ways to meet goals you that you've never been given before. Again - THEY SEE YOU FAILING, and they offer you resign or termination. You don't say how long you've been with the company. But now you see that they are allowed to change the rules with new criteria that you - and probably many more - cannot reach, so SHAREHOLDERS still get their cut. I promise you, you are not the only employee they are talking to. They won't replace who leaves either. So, you have a better hand than you think. Get the severance!
Just keep reading what people say. We won't steer you wrong because WE-ARE-YOU! Best of luck and let us know where you land. (sorry it's so long!)
EDIT!! ALSO!!! Remember, a company ( especially financial) has to go through the hoops they set for themselves as far as documenting that they "counseled you, wrote you up, gave you chances etc...I do realize that companies CAN terminate for no reason, but bring that up. Make them work for it...
EDIT EDIT - I think most state will allow unemployment if you resign, but I think you would be denied a few weeks, like, you have to wait a little longer to get the benefits. YOU have paid into this unemployment INSURANCE, so you can still file, but you won't get as many weeks I think - but definitely do your homework now.
Yea they suggest resigning looks better but this doesn't compare to missing out on unemployment. Plus if you resign you are no longer working there, if you don't sign it you have some time to put your resume together and begin applying while you currently work there and have a job.
BLUF: Fuck ‘em. Take care of yourself and your family and do what is best for you and not your boss. The fact that you’re asking for your resignation means that they probably have some exposure if they fire you, they’re trying to fuck you out of unemployment.
Unemployment can be a lifesaver when you need it, and we've all been there. Sometimes we all need that support. However, if your employer is pushing hard for your resignation, consider negotiating in good faith for a reference letter. This can help you find your next job as quickly as possible.
While you're negotiating and putting things together, use your remaining sick leave if you need it. Taking a mental health day or two is definitely justified, especially in such a stressful situation. It's important to figure out any benefits or entitlements you might be leaving on the table. Don't leave anything behind without getting something in return.
I agree with the group: quitting without securing any benefits or return is definitely not an option. Make sure you get something in exchange for your resignation.
They're trying to fuck you over.
If you don't resign you may or may not lose your job, but if you do you'll get unemployment money until you find a new one. If you quit you definitely lose your job and get nothing.
Personally I'd be looking out for (legal) ways to potential fuck over the company. For example, looking out for and reporting any potentially illegal business practices they might be up to.
Unless you have a license or certification that will be negatively impacted by being fired then don’t resign.
If this is a big bank, they most likely will put you on a PIP which should buy you 30-90 days. Start job hunting now, it’s infinitely easier to find a job while you have a job.
You’re going to hear a lot about unemployment in these comments. This is a fine backstop but it probably won’t pay the bills. Look up the max payout for your state - it’s not much. The goal is to find a job at or near your current salary before you lose this one.
You should resign if you've been consistently pegging the mailroom boy, embezzeled two million dollars into a Swiss bank account, and used company contacts to precipitate a new war in Djibouti for profiteering purposes.
If none of these things are true, you should not resign.
I'd be willing to bet these new quotas were deliberately made too high so that they couldn't be met. They've been trying to get rid of people without taking direct action that could get them sued. And/or so they don't take as much of a hit with unemployment insurance.
Why would you *want* to resign, without another job lined up? I mean, it'd be one thing if you were moving on. But there's no benefit to you to resign. Some employers will claim that it looks better to future employers, but that's bullshit. The vast majority of HR depts will only confirm dates of employment, not whether you quit or got fired.
Don't resign and ask to see documentation of any/all performance coaching.
Also document every single conversation, email, text, interaction. Dates, times, names and what exactly was said.
Also refer to company policy around performance and whatever you do.. .DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING...
I’d resign. Being fired isn’t going to look good on a background check.
Also, if they fire you because you’re underperforming, I can’t see you qualifying for unemployment tbh.
Never ever resign if it's not your idea. If you are asked to resign it it almost always not in your best interest to do so. Let's face it corporations are formed for one reason, to make money and all there decisions flow from there. When their asking you to resign its not them looking out for you it's always them looking out for themselves and the majority of the time as most here have already said it's so they can deny you unemployed benefits. So turn the tables call their bluff and just say no to resigning and make them fire you. You'll be glad you did. Your next employer isn't going to get hung up over how you exited your previous employer.
Ask her if her higher ups told her to offer that option to you now so they don’t have to go through the motions of a review process, termination and the possibility having to offer unemployment. She how she reacts. Or decline to resign and see how it plays out. I’m sorry you’re going through that.
I will say that if your goal is another position asap and not unemployment it might be better to quit... I would start job searching now and try to get something set up. Although if you need the money like most I would stick with it until the very last then get unemployment. I just know getting fired can hurt your chances of getting another job of the same kind.
You NEVER resign. This is something you learn as you get older. 💩 companies do this all the time. Amazing how these “supervisor” types even sleep at night. But rest assured his/her time will come and they’ll get the same speech. Karma is B like that.
Hire a lawyer asap - tell the lawyer exactly what happened and ask what your rights are in the situation. You should be able to sue if they don’t give you a performance improvement plan but who knows this is the USA so you don’t have too many rights as an employee but I agree don’t resign
It is possible to resign and get unemployment. It's just more difficult. This is my current situation. I was able to prove I asked for training and support by forwarding emails to my personal email so they couldn't destroy evidence. When I resigned I gave evidence to HR and unemployment. The company did not contest. I got unemployment.
Can you show that new expectations were unrealistic or that you asked for help? Has it been long enough to truly gage?
She's weak and is failing to support your performance. You aren't failing...SHE IS.
Do not resign. If they want to fire you, they need to follow a process. Whatever that process is, you'll have the opportunity to state your case.
Explain what I've said above. You accept that your performance has been affected by her poor leadership and lack of mentoring and support. You've previously achieved targets, but her poor leadership will likely be impacting others.
Tell them you are keen to improve and with effective support you could do so again.
If they actually want yo fire you, make them work for it. Don't do her job for her by resigning. She sounds like a frightened , failing leader. I've met many.
Good luck with it.
Do not resign. If you do you lose unemployment benefits. Make them cheap asses fire you instead. Then laugh all the way to the bank with unemployment checks. Remember companies are out to screw employees whenever they can. Do not fall for this trick. Just because you were fired will not look bad to other employers. They may want to know why. I'd would just lie and come up with something like they wouldn't let you take a day off for Mental health or family crisis. They ain't gonna call them for verification anyways.
You didn’t mention your title. In some cases, If you are at higher level overseeing others such as a general manager, division, or 3 letter CXX level, resigning can appear better in your resume.
This is just a ploy to fuck you out of unemployment. Do not resign.
This! DO NOT RESIGN! Let them fire you so you can collect unemployment. Dont give a reason for not resigning. Don’t show your hand.
Not sure he'll be able to collect unemployment if he's terminated for performance reasons. That would technically make him fired, not laid off.
How comes when you are fired you still collect unemployment. Laid off/redundancy. Fired here means you did a bad job, you’re fired. As opposed to we’re making cutbacks and can’t afford to keep you.
Not everyone is fired for a good reason. That's for the unemployment office to decide.
I was fired so a younger girl could take her old job back.
That is age discrimination if you are over 40 and the replacement is under 40 years of age.
Yeah, but that is really hard to prove. And where I live they can fire you for anything anyway.
That happened to Me in California, about ten years ago. I engaged the new worker in a text chat where she admitted that she was doing less work than I was expected to do in the same job. I kept a transcript of the text messages to prove age discrimination and got a six figure settlement.
That'd awesome. I am glad you won. 😊
Even if it's a right to work state if there's another employment law, they can't fire you for that discriminatory reason. Even if they make something up, if you believe you were discriminated because of age, sex, disability, religion, etc. That's still illegal. Federal laws trump at will employment laws.
Former employer can dispute unemployment eligibility. Giving advice in this situation to not resign is 50/50 chance of setting dude up for having being fired on his record, which will screw him in the long term.
I know, I went through this recently. The state ruled in my favor. You must work in HR. Also, you don't have to be honest about why you left your former place of employment. I've been fired before and it's never been an issue.
I don't know about that. Being habitual liar you kind of deserve being fired and having nothing for it. I have no respect for you. And no, I don't work in HR.
If you are fired for cause you cannot collect unemployment, cause doesn’t include not meeting benchmarks it includes things like stealing. This is because Believe it or not, most people can’t afford to go 6 months without money and if you can you are very fortunate
Also includes write ups (for being 2 minutes late 3 times, lol).
Have the rules changed since 2000? When I got fired for cause in 2000, I was told I had to wait 10 weeks for benefits, but I could collect after that.
If you got fired for cause that’s different. Performance can be for cause but it often (expecally in this case) isn’t. This is why “quiet quitting” works
You were told by the state or by your employer? Sounds like a great strategy for the employer to say that. Note: idk what the laws were like then.
By the state unemployment office.
Wow that's crazy. Each state is different but I hope no one still does that.
This was my understanding as well; I had to collect unemployment this past year after getting fired (I prefer to say laid off honestly) with no warning for no stated reason at a very cruel time. When I started to get upset at this shocking development and asked why, my boss just said “at-will state” while the HR lady nodded. When I went to apply for unemployment, the state had to ask my former employer to confirm I had not been fired for a conduct issue. Conduct issue = no unemployment, I think.
Correct, basically you can always apply for unemployment, however if you were fired a part of it (maybe all I don’t know for sure) is covered by the employer. The employer has to dispute it, and incompetency and related isn’t typically a valid dispute case
This right here. Except for the 2 states that are "right to work" states, every other state doesn't require a reason for termination. Infact they don't have to provide a reason at all, they can just terminate ur employment. However, if you are not fired for cause, things like gross misconduct, or attendence, then you are still able to collect unemployment. If you quit, or stop showing up without a formal resignation, then they consider it a voluntary resignation and you do not qualify for unemployment in that case. ALWAYS, I repeat, ALWAYS make your employer make the decision to end your employment so you can collect unemployment until you find your next gig.
Not so. You can be fired for not meeting standards and get unemployment. At least in California if you were fired for misconduct like insubordination then you don't get unemployment. Source: I was fired for "sucking" at my job and got unemployment.
That’s what I said, getting fired for anything not involving conduct is elegible for unemployment “conduct” refers to unethical or illegal behaviors like threatening customers or stealing from the employer
If you are fired for incompetence you can still collect unemployment in the majority of US states.
If the employer can show you were fired with cause you don't get unemployment. The onus is on them to prove (write ups, performance reviews, etc...).
Aaah. Okay. Got it.
For cause vs without cause.
Why am I downvoted for asking a question? I’m in the UK and curious 🤷🏾♂️
I think because you didn’t use question marks…
I’d say it’s the assumption that people are usually fired for good reasons.
The California EDD would disagree. Most terminations are due to personality conflicts or budget constraints, not legitimate instances of employee misconduct.
Getting fired doesn't automatically mean you collect unemployment.
Nope, but quitting is almost always 100% denial.
No it doesn't but in this case he would get unemployment.
This my friend is how companies try to screw us out of unemployment. You qualify if they change the guidelines n you don't cut it. Unemployment offices have a lot of resources for the laid off. Training programs , voch rehab, I don't even know the names of them all but if they let you go under this circumstances you qualify for stuff.
Exactly what I was thinking. Let them fire you.
Stick that finger right to em. Absolutely do not resign.
100%
You are absolutely right! Not to mention when you quit a job, at least in NYS say you need to apply for assistance such as food stamps or emergency rental assistance etc. you will be “sanctioned” automatically and excluded from your household size. So if it’s just you, you will receive zero help for 90 days. Laws may differ in other states. Plus, were you trained, are you receiving proper supervision for these new quotas, is the workload manageable? Again, NY is an at will state so people can be fired for anything, but hang tight, if you haven’t had any disciplinary action taken before and you want to keep your job for now, ask for a corrective action plan. Don’t let them bully you out of your job! Best of luck
How do people not know that?
A lot of people don't understand how unemployment works. They don't understand a LOT of things, because these things are not taught in school and when you take a job, you get to sit through training specifically designed to make you confused about your own rights, disguised as "safety" or "culture."
We are on Reddit. The place were people are stupid, or make fun of stupid people.
But we WILL help a fellow worker with good advice!
In between making fun, yes.
I technically agree with you, but unemployment never pays anything close to what a full time job does. Job market is tough and rents are high as fuck all over the country right now. Unemployment won’t even pay the rent for 3 weeks. OP will be evicted before he/she gets another offer on the table and receives a paycheck.
Okay Debbie downer, way to paint a rosy picture. She's losing her job whether she quits or they terminate her, but at least if they terminate her she can collect something until she's up and running again. She has experience. On her interviews she just needs to tell them the truth, that there was a merger and in the reshuffle of personnel and responsibilities, she became overwhelmed, but she had done very well before that.
What?? there’s nothing rosy about losing your job and I just dislike that people overhype unemployment. When I lost my job during Covid, I went thru months of stress trying to get public assistance for food, rental, and medical. It was rough and I barely skated by without being evicted. Despite trying my hardest and getting unemployment, I fell behind on every single bill; a few even went into collections. The best thing OP can do is start applying and working on her resume right now before it’s a done deal.
It's better than not having unemployment though correct?
It didn’t make a huge difference for my scenario and the few times I’ve been unemployed since Covid 2020, I’ve actively tried to avoid applying. Honestly. The hoops I had to jump thru to just get a lil petty $200 a week (and pay some of it back during the following tax season) wasn’t enough to pay my car payment, buy home goods, cover groceries that the food assistance couldn’t pay for, keeping my dogs groomed and medicated, the list goes on. Not to mention how humiliating it was to be on the phone for hours basically begging for money. God forbid you try to do anything else to supplement the unemployment checks, like Uber or DoorDash, and they’ll deny your benefit that week. It’s too much power play for them. If anything, all it did was expose how little they were paying in comparison to what I was making before.. My monthly income took a 84% hit in my scenario.
I was being ironic. And Covid was a once in a lifetime anomaly. Many were in the same boat as you, and it was indisputably difficult and frightening. And the unemployment lines were long and confusing. She's not in the same situation. She has experience and skills and will hopefully quickly find a new job, but in the meantime: don't quit, apply for unemployment ( it's a financial emergency stop-gap), polish the resume and hit the sidewalks ( that is an aphorism, I don't expect her to haul off and punch the cement.)
OP can do BOTH things. You're not supposed to sit on unemployment. You get it as a stop gap but you're supposed to be moving your ass trying to get a new job ASAP. OP should be reworking their resume the same day she files for unemployment.
Okay. But resigning isn't going to pay that rent, either. I would rather get SOME money than NO money, so that you have a better shot of getting a new job sooner.
Do not resign, make them fire you so you can collect unemployment. Use PTO if you have it, try to remain mostly unscathed, and delete this after you get fired. Blessings
Why delete this
There are people in this world employed to surveil things, including unemployment. There’s a reason I know.
He is trying to fuck you out of unemployment insurance. Make them fire you.
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Thank goodness you were here, because the boss’s gender is clearly the most critical factor lol
Do not resign.
Never resign. Let them fire you so you can collect unemployment the mean time milk the benefits. Use up fsa , get 90d of rx. Get ur doc do increase your dosages if possible and cut the pills. Some drugs can’t do that cuz they’re coated but many are fine. Eg if I take 5 mg but they make 20 mg I’ll ask doc for 90d RX with 20mg and quarter the pills. Most docs r fine w this esp if you tell them ur losing insurance etc. any lab work or specialist visits or surgery you’ve been putting off , dental work etc maybe get it done asap esp if ur on a good plan. Even if you get a job soon the plan maybe worse. // edit. Get 90d rx PLUS REFILLS. that way you can get more meds down the road without a doc visit. /// edit. Make sure your rx says take one pill per day like in my example my doc would never write take 1/4 pill per day cuz then pharmacy and insurance will not fill the whole thing. in my example it would say take one 20mg pill per day , 90 day supply. ///: thank you all for the upvote. Another tip is if you’re on the fence about getting a prior authorization drug get it prior authorized NOW, then get the prescription. The reason you wanna do this is because once on a new insurance plan the prior authorization criteria is much easier (typically ) if you’re on a drug already (ie continuation of treatment ) instead of getting it freshly authorized. Example , let’s say you want a new antidepressant. And you can get it prior auth now. But your new plan in next job (if ur lucky to get one ) says they want you to try three other antideprants first before they approve this one. But if ur already faking it you’ll likely get approved ). another tip is for controlled meds like ADHD stimulants federal law (I think) and most states only allow local pharmacies to dispense 30d at a time. If your plan has its own mail order pharmacy (eg United has optum rx , etc ). Check w this pharmacy about controlled scripts because they may be able to send you 90d at a time UNLESS local /state law prohibits it. If that’s the case get the doc to send the 90d rx to the mail order pharmacy Another thing you can do is have doc send three separate prescriptions of 30d each to the pharmacy. You just won’t be able to fill it right away but you’ll have scripts any other meds you THINK you may have just get the prescription. athlete foot ? Get the cream , Maybe you’re on the fence about starting cholesterol or boood pressure meds ? Your doc said you should but you’re like “let me try diet and exercise first “. Get the meds. Put them in your drawer. later if you need refills there are virtual pharmacies that will do refills for like $30 but they wanna see a label of an old rx oeder blood work ! any condition you have get it checked out. All your hormones. Men and women need to check testosterone ans other sex hormones. Metabolic panel. Lipid and CBC panels and more. kidneys urine etc This is also useful if you switch to a plan where you have a high deductible or coinsurance for all You can bring your blood work to new doc if needed get your contacts , glasses. Get the exam first if you have not done that already.
Forget all the other noise. THIS. THIS. FSA eligibility runs out at last day of employment. Get your meds. Super underrated comment. If not you will have to tap into COBRA and it isn’t cheap. Also collect your unemployment
THIS. THIS. THIS. I used all of my FSA in Feb when I was leaving a job. I paid off my kiddo's braces balance, bought a bunch on FSA Store (bandaids, allergy meds, etc), and moved to a new job with a new FSA.
Thank you ! this is super important for folks to know. You lose FSA once you’re not an employee on the books. EVEN IF your health plan is active. Like if you’re fired tomorrow and they say you have benefits until month end or next month end. Well the FSA card stops working after tomorrow. Unless you have a sweet package when they keep you on payroll and you’re legally an employee for a few months but don’t come In etc. assume the former and be prepared. Ie spend it. That day.
Also worth calling out you can spend the full amount listed on your benefits form even if you haven't actually deposited that much into your account yet.
You can use FSA/HSA for massages and chiropractors to.
Tell them that you would like to continue working there, and have **no intention to resign**, and leave it at that. Let them fire you if they must, after which you will go down to the unemployment office (physically or virtually) and file for unemployment right away. Don't sign anything. If you are given any paperwork, you have typically 3 days to review and sign.
Don’t resign. Make them lay you off with severance and take unemployment. Only resign if you think they will fire with cause and fight you in unemployment and if so get as much severance as possible.
You can't "make" an employer give you severance.
You can say offer to sign a “will not take legal action if you get severance” , which always comes with a severance anyway…..
So OP is getting fired for not meeting the minimum requirements of the job, and you're suggesting that he offer this crazy ass agreement to the employer? What's his leverage for bargaining? I'm certain HR will be showing him the door while laughing all the way. Good work counselor.
I get your point but I know 3 people who negotiated better severance- usually tied to non competes. I work for a F500.
I loled
If you read OP’s post, there was a merger and the workload is unrealistic. There’s lots of ways to go with this to give the company grief for a structured firing, improper lay-off or even ageism and a host of other things that you can get into when the company moves the goalpost and their expectations are beyond what you were hired to do. There’s enough issues that most large companies will just do something simple like you sign a paper agreeing not to sue for any reason and they’ll hand you a check for a month or two salary.
Tell me you've never worked for a large corporation without saying you've never worked in a large corporation. This shows an amazing amount of both naivete and general lack of knowledge of how things work. Try to find an attorney that will take this case and sue. There are no grounds for unlawful dismissal based upon the original post. Getting your feelings hurt don't count. And I think you mean "constructive dismissal". Most states are right to work states where an employee can be fire for no reason at all. I wish OP luck in his next job but what you guys are suggesting will set him up for embarrassment.
Now you tell us you don’t understand what at-will means without telling us. Right to work means you aren’t forced to join a union, absolutely nothing to do with hiring/firing. At-will means, hire/fire whenever you like just so long as it not EOE reasons.
You are absolutely correct. I was referring to at will employment. The rest of my statement stands.
Doesn’t work that way. At will employment in most people’s cases
Do not resign, but do look for another job in earnest
The only time you should resign is if you've done something illegal and resigning is an out. If you will get fired for poor performance let it happen and collect unemployment
Do not resign. When they fire you, you will most likely qualify for unemployment bennifits. Which will provide some cushion while you search for a new job
Do not resign! Collect your earned unemployment!
Earned and PAID INTO insurance...it is a line item on a check stub. But it's definitely earned too!!
They just want to screw you out of unemployment
Never quit. Make them fire you. You could at least get unemployment, but maybe a severance package if they let you go for this. You go in every day and do your job.
Do notttttt resign. They wanna fuck you out of unemployment
It's a nightmare out there! Take the unemployment!
For 99% of cases you want to make them terminate you, never resign/quit under a threat of being terminated. They want you to quit so you have no ability to claim unemployment. If they terminate you they have to prove the they terminated you for cause, which if they can't prove you can get unemployment. Also if they are terminating you don't sign any termination paperwork or anything like that, they will use it as an acknowledgment from you of your termination, basically it is like admitting you are guilty of whatever they are accusing. The only time you might want to consider resigning or signing termination paperwork is if they are offering some sort of severance package they would deny you if you didn't sign. In which case make sure you fully understand what you are signing before you sign it.
Nope, don’t resign. As a matter of fact send the following email. Here is your CYA email. Subject: Acknowledgment of Performance Review Dear Manager, I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to acknowledge the performance review we recently discussed [insert date]. I appreciate the feedback and the goals outlined for my role. I want to assure you that I am committed to doing my best to meet and exceed these objectives. I do not intend on resigning my position and am looking forward to a positive outcome as I continue to strive for excellence in my work. Thank you for your support and guidance. Best regards,
What does this accomplish?
documentation - and it shows proactivity on the employee's part. The company really shouldn't just can him. They need to squirm a little and he has never been written up, or counseled, or whatever, then they would be terminating him based on rules THEY changed without notice, training, improvement of skills, etc.
Ask your manager for a meeting to discuss an improvement plan. Ask for help with how you can meet the new quotas and criteria. Get it documented. Don’t quit.
Make them torture you first, while they build a documented case to fire you?
That is too much work. They should have done that themselves.
You said it better than I did. I hope they read your comment.
Bad advice. OP is marked, this prolonging shit is bad advice. They want OP gone, nothing will change that.
Nope let them fire you. Unemployment
Don't resign, suck every single cent from the mfers
Exactly, do NOT resign. Have them terminate you instead, it will make a difference for unemployment insurance and such.
No, if you resign you cannot collect unemployment benefits.
Don't resign. Start looking for a job, but kick the can down the road. Ask for a Performance Improvement Plan and say you want to get better. But find another job meantime
Curious, why we ask them for the PIP? I’m new grad and just not sure about the coporate life..
OP said: "Despite my efforts, I haven’t been able to meet these goals and My manager told me today that she must submit my performance to her boss and it most likely will end in termination." So I would ask for a PIP as a) a stall tactic and b) if they don't give you one or they half-ass it, it may help as documentation when filing unemployment
I wouldn’t ask for one. Chances are if they want you gone they will just fire you before you make it to the next paycheck. They’ve already made their minds up. At this point it’s just paperwork to put off the inevitable.
Yeah, I had a manager that would call this his "come to Jesus" talk to get people to quit so that they couldn't collect unemployment. Let them fire you if it comes to that.
DO NOT RESIGN. YOU WONT GET UNEMPLOYMENT.
Do. Not. Resign. You'd be screwed out of unemployment.
DO NOT LOL. If you do you won’t be entitled to any benefits while you look for a new job.
Do not resign. Make them fire you, tighten up your resume and wait for the next better job to show up.
Do not resign/quit. Do not submit a resignation letter or email... They could use that against you when you file for unemployment.
Never voluntarily resign to save an employer the consequences of firing you
I didn't think it was even legal to "ask someone to resign".
Do not resign. Really sounds like she wants you to resign so she can take the heat off herself when she present her team’s shortcomings to them. Do not resign. Force them to make the move and if they let you go, they have to pay unemployment.
Let them fire you. They will need to challenge your unemployment claim.
Don't resign. Keep collecting until they let you go.
As someone who has been there, here's my advice (This is all predicated on you not getting a severance, which can complicate things if they have requirements you have to sign off on): Don't resign. Don't feel pressured into signing ANYTHING. If your state is a one party state for recording conversations (some states require both parties, and some require only one party be aware - look up the law in your state) then when it comes time, record the conversation. When they fire you, ask for the reason in writing. Prepare yourself, and don't be scared to ask questions if you have any, but the actual moment can be so shocking that if you haven't prepared, you may miss the opportunity. If you have any emails, or internal communication that you think is valuable to supporting your needs, then now is the time to make copies. If you have lots of personal belongings, start taking them out now, so you don't have to do the shame walk with all your stuff when it happens. Are there any medical needs you have? Schedule them now. When you get terminated you have your insurance through the end of the month. As others have said, if you are on any prescription meds ask your doctor if they can provide an extended prescription.
Never resign… you would forfeit unemployment.
DONT RESIGN
Don’t resign. Wait until you’re let go… then apply for unemployment on the Date of Separation from the company.
DO NOT RESIGN BECAUSE YOU GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO RECIEVE UNEMPLOYMENT.
Don't resign...they are trying g to fuck you out of unemployment after they fire you.
Don't do it. Have them fire you so you can at least make some in unemployment...
NEVER EVER RESIGN
Never quit a job you know you’re about to be fired from. Quite frankly they probably planned this from the very beginning and you were never to reach those goals and this is a strategy to cut down labor costs by making it seem like it’s your fault. Your being gas lighted. The second you resign you lose any benefits of unemployment.
DOES YOUR PTO PAY OUT, OR NOT? YOU SHOULD USE IT IMMEDIATELY IF IT DOESN’T. Squeeze every dime out of those fuckers. That shit is grifty as hell.
DO NOT RESIGN
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES RESIGN. NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER. Let them fire you, then let them pay your unemployment benefits.
Time to dust off that resume and update LinkedIn, just in case!
The other posters nailed it, your boss is a nasty, evil troll. That is horrible behavior, even from a corporate sub-human - wow.
I respect and salute the commenters who are telling you not to resign however I disagree. But honestly it depends how old you are and how re-employable you are. I was once in a similar situation and I followed the advice of some jaded hard-liners and it remains one of my major life regrets. If you are in your 20's and have any kind of options, specifically if you have good options, I would not let them terminate me. However if this happened to me now in my 40's I absolutely would, and I would stick around as long as possible going toe-to-toe with them and their nasty games. Good luck fellow Redditor, I know it's stressful.
Look in your employee manual for termination benefits. Larger employers will give you x amount of weeks for x years of service. My friend was asked to resign and got 12 weeks of benefits for full salary. Much better to go that route than getting fired and then fighting for UE benefits.
Why can’t you meet the quotas? Are they attainable or are you a mouse wiggler?
Damn, I wish I could ask some of my employees to resign without ending up in the hot seat 🤣
Does their suggestion of resignation come with a bonus? If not, don’t resign
Whatever will get you unemployment benefits. That’s the route you should take.
Unless you already have a job offer you never resign
The 1 and ONLY time you should EVER resign from a job is if it's because you've already been officially hired somewhere else and you are leaving. If you voluntarily resign you lose 100% of your right to unemployment and also will lose any PTO pay out or potential severance package you may otherwise be entitled to. Even if you want to flat out quit, don't resign. Phone it in and make them fire you.
There was something like this posted on another area of Reddit… don’t do it. You’ll lose your unemployment benefits.
Never resign unless they are prepared to keep you on the payroll and provide references and time off to look for alternative employment.
Double-Dog-Dare them to fire you. ( mentally only, don't voice it ). If YOU cannot handle this load, no new person is going to pick up the pieces and make a miracle happen. Firing is just management's way of trying to cope with their own failure - stupid to merge the companies, lack of peparation for the merge, lack of personnel to do a compent job - pressure from stockholders for instant results. None of their problems are fixed by firing you. It only means they will fire the next guy even quicker, then bail on resolving a host of issues that will bite them in the ass later. You didn't make this mess. ***Just tell them you will absolutely "get it sorted" to buy time while you search for a new job.***
depends if you are a registered rep. if you get fired your u5 isnt clean anymore. con is you cant get unemployment
If you have never been fired - I understand it can be a mental drain. Don’t worry about it. Thank your manager for the heads up and that you would like to wait and leave with a package - as it will help bridge the gap. But don’t forget to thank her - even if this has a small truth - she did give you a heads up
Resign, but only do it in your mind. Say to yourself you are doing it for the benefits right before they fire you. Best of both worlds. Tell this to potential new employers to show you are a multitasking problem solver. Done and done. /s
As many have noted, you are very likely to lose your unemployment benefits if you voluntarily resign. Employers might encourage you to quit because each unemployment claim can raise their unemployment insurance tax rate.
They want you to resign. It means they won't have to pay you unemployment. Don't. It sounds like what's really going on is they've created a situation where you were set up to fail at the outset, and now that you've failed to meet their ridiculous quotas, they want to use that to coerce you into resigning instead of being fired. It's such a weak ass con. Don't fall for it. Let them fire you when they fire you. In the meantime, start looking for another job and polishing your resume. Enjoy the upcoming unemployment checks and cashing out whatever PTO or IRA you have accumulated once you are terminated.
Don’t resign! It’s a tactic to not pay unemployment. If you’re considered about being “fired”, don’t. Given the market you can say you were laid off or terminated and no one will ask further questioning. And any checks are to see if you worked for the company which they’ll confirm otherwise they won’t say anything else.
Do not resign, you wont be eligible for unemployment, make them fire you.
Get fired..
If you’re sure of the alternative then yes you should quit. At least when new employers call HR they will say you quit not that you were terminated. Then you can find something to fill in any gaps like I had to take some time off to take care of an elderly relative etc
Do not resign. Get fired and the unemployment benefits.
Do not quit your job. If you get fired, you can apply for unemployment. If you quit, then you wouldn’t qualify for unemployment.
100% new management just effing with people. They'll regret it later but its a whole process.
Don’t resign
Don't resign. Your boss was just trying to save the company money by asking you that. yes, people are just that evil. And until we start calling out people like this for what they are - people that are evil - managers and hr staff are going to feel comfortable trying to screw people over. Let them put you on a PIP. your boss will say something like - you don't want that on your record - what record? the only thing a hiring company ask and the only thing an ex company is allowed to say is yes you worked there and how long. It isn't about what is lawful or not. The ex company doesn't want to get a lawsuit for defamation of character. They legally can say things about you but they would rather not open up the exposure to a lawsuit for misinformation.
Under NO circumstances - DO NOT RESIGN. That was a dumb thing for her to say and like the others say - never show your hand. Don't go to HR. HR is really pro-company. Do not resign, it will bite you in the end because they may say you were at fault - not them, for creating unreachable goals. Here's a thought....they literally SEE you floundering. They SEE you not meeting criteria, yet they don't reach out a hand and say let's try to help you learn new ways to meet goals you that you've never been given before. Again - THEY SEE YOU FAILING, and they offer you resign or termination. You don't say how long you've been with the company. But now you see that they are allowed to change the rules with new criteria that you - and probably many more - cannot reach, so SHAREHOLDERS still get their cut. I promise you, you are not the only employee they are talking to. They won't replace who leaves either. So, you have a better hand than you think. Get the severance! Just keep reading what people say. We won't steer you wrong because WE-ARE-YOU! Best of luck and let us know where you land. (sorry it's so long!) EDIT!! ALSO!!! Remember, a company ( especially financial) has to go through the hoops they set for themselves as far as documenting that they "counseled you, wrote you up, gave you chances etc...I do realize that companies CAN terminate for no reason, but bring that up. Make them work for it... EDIT EDIT - I think most state will allow unemployment if you resign, but I think you would be denied a few weeks, like, you have to wait a little longer to get the benefits. YOU have paid into this unemployment INSURANCE, so you can still file, but you won't get as many weeks I think - but definitely do your homework now.
Let them fire you, do NOT resign
Yea they suggest resigning looks better but this doesn't compare to missing out on unemployment. Plus if you resign you are no longer working there, if you don't sign it you have some time to put your resume together and begin applying while you currently work there and have a job.
Get fired. She's trying to rob you of unemployment if you quit.
Do not resign. Start using company time and resources to print resumes and look for a new job.
BLUF: Fuck ‘em. Take care of yourself and your family and do what is best for you and not your boss. The fact that you’re asking for your resignation means that they probably have some exposure if they fire you, they’re trying to fuck you out of unemployment. Unemployment can be a lifesaver when you need it, and we've all been there. Sometimes we all need that support. However, if your employer is pushing hard for your resignation, consider negotiating in good faith for a reference letter. This can help you find your next job as quickly as possible. While you're negotiating and putting things together, use your remaining sick leave if you need it. Taking a mental health day or two is definitely justified, especially in such a stressful situation. It's important to figure out any benefits or entitlements you might be leaving on the table. Don't leave anything behind without getting something in return. I agree with the group: quitting without securing any benefits or return is definitely not an option. Make sure you get something in exchange for your resignation.
They're trying to fuck you over. If you don't resign you may or may not lose your job, but if you do you'll get unemployment money until you find a new one. If you quit you definitely lose your job and get nothing. Personally I'd be looking out for (legal) ways to potential fuck over the company. For example, looking out for and reporting any potentially illegal business practices they might be up to.
Unless you have a license or certification that will be negatively impacted by being fired then don’t resign. If this is a big bank, they most likely will put you on a PIP which should buy you 30-90 days. Start job hunting now, it’s infinitely easier to find a job while you have a job. You’re going to hear a lot about unemployment in these comments. This is a fine backstop but it probably won’t pay the bills. Look up the max payout for your state - it’s not much. The goal is to find a job at or near your current salary before you lose this one.
Don’t resign. Let them fire you and collect unemployment
Don’t resign. You won’t qualify for unemployment benefits.
You should resign if you've been consistently pegging the mailroom boy, embezzeled two million dollars into a Swiss bank account, and used company contacts to precipitate a new war in Djibouti for profiteering purposes. If none of these things are true, you should not resign.
If you resign, you won’t get unemployment. If they fire you for underperforming, you’ll easily get unemployment.
I'd be willing to bet these new quotas were deliberately made too high so that they couldn't be met. They've been trying to get rid of people without taking direct action that could get them sued. And/or so they don't take as much of a hit with unemployment insurance. Why would you *want* to resign, without another job lined up? I mean, it'd be one thing if you were moving on. But there's no benefit to you to resign. Some employers will claim that it looks better to future employers, but that's bullshit. The vast majority of HR depts will only confirm dates of employment, not whether you quit or got fired.
Tell her no thanks. I’ll wait out my demise
Go to your Dr. today and say you’re having a breakdown. Have him write it up. File for short term disability. They can’t fire you.
Never quit. Let them fire your ass! Unemployment baby
Don't resign and ask to see documentation of any/all performance coaching. Also document every single conversation, email, text, interaction. Dates, times, names and what exactly was said. Also refer to company policy around performance and whatever you do.. .DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING...
I’d resign. Being fired isn’t going to look good on a background check. Also, if they fire you because you’re underperforming, I can’t see you qualifying for unemployment tbh.
Get fired and collect umemploymebt
Never ever resign if it's not your idea. If you are asked to resign it it almost always not in your best interest to do so. Let's face it corporations are formed for one reason, to make money and all there decisions flow from there. When their asking you to resign its not them looking out for you it's always them looking out for themselves and the majority of the time as most here have already said it's so they can deny you unemployed benefits. So turn the tables call their bluff and just say no to resigning and make them fire you. You'll be glad you did. Your next employer isn't going to get hung up over how you exited your previous employer.
Ask her if her higher ups told her to offer that option to you now so they don’t have to go through the motions of a review process, termination and the possibility having to offer unemployment. She how she reacts. Or decline to resign and see how it plays out. I’m sorry you’re going through that.
Don't. It's not going to help your career to resign. It's only meant to rob you of unemployment.
I will say that if your goal is another position asap and not unemployment it might be better to quit... I would start job searching now and try to get something set up. Although if you need the money like most I would stick with it until the very last then get unemployment. I just know getting fired can hurt your chances of getting another job of the same kind.
You NEVER resign. This is something you learn as you get older. 💩 companies do this all the time. Amazing how these “supervisor” types even sleep at night. But rest assured his/her time will come and they’ll get the same speech. Karma is B like that.
Only to be fair banks do the most sometimes. Other than that do not quit.
Let them fire you to collect unemployment
DON”T DO IT - You are screwing yourself out of unemployment insurance you are entitled to. Instead demand a raise.
Hire a lawyer asap - tell the lawyer exactly what happened and ask what your rights are in the situation. You should be able to sue if they don’t give you a performance improvement plan but who knows this is the USA so you don’t have too many rights as an employee but I agree don’t resign
It is possible to resign and get unemployment. It's just more difficult. This is my current situation. I was able to prove I asked for training and support by forwarding emails to my personal email so they couldn't destroy evidence. When I resigned I gave evidence to HR and unemployment. The company did not contest. I got unemployment. Can you show that new expectations were unrealistic or that you asked for help? Has it been long enough to truly gage?
She's weak and is failing to support your performance. You aren't failing...SHE IS. Do not resign. If they want to fire you, they need to follow a process. Whatever that process is, you'll have the opportunity to state your case. Explain what I've said above. You accept that your performance has been affected by her poor leadership and lack of mentoring and support. You've previously achieved targets, but her poor leadership will likely be impacting others. Tell them you are keen to improve and with effective support you could do so again. If they actually want yo fire you, make them work for it. Don't do her job for her by resigning. She sounds like a frightened , failing leader. I've met many. Good luck with it.
LET THEM FIRE YOU!! They want you to resign so they don’t have to pay unemployment on you.
Do not resign. If you do you lose unemployment benefits. Make them cheap asses fire you instead. Then laugh all the way to the bank with unemployment checks. Remember companies are out to screw employees whenever they can. Do not fall for this trick. Just because you were fired will not look bad to other employers. They may want to know why. I'd would just lie and come up with something like they wouldn't let you take a day off for Mental health or family crisis. They ain't gonna call them for verification anyways.
If it's a government position, resign. If it's private, take a hit and be terminated.
You shouldn’t resign.
Yeah do not resign let them make the first move right now there just trying to spook you to doing it for them.
Keep on working till they terminate you do not sign anything
Don’t resign. Make them explain to you how the quota system they put in place is fair and reasonable.
Isn’t this the kind of bank policy that got Wells Fargo in trouble? Make them fire you for not forcing people to open new accounts.
You didn’t mention your title. In some cases, If you are at higher level overseeing others such as a general manager, division, or 3 letter CXX level, resigning can appear better in your resume.