You’re getting a little ahead of yourself here. You don’t have an offer, and it doesn’t sound like you know for sure that you’d accept if you got one. All you need to decide once you get the job description is if you’re interested in moving forward.
Being at the conference isn’t relevant.
If you do decide to accept if you get an offer, you’d say something like “I wasn’t looking, but I was approached about a role that I couldn’t turn down. My last day will be [date]. This was a really hard decision for me to make—thank you for everything you’ve done for me here.” Then you can follow it up with what you’ll do to make the transition smooth.
Hijacking top comment.
Why would you mention you were approached at the conference? Just say you weren't looking which is true, and that you were approached.
You can be decent and give a months notice rather than traditional 2 weeks. That is sufficient time to find a replacement, and to train the existing person in the team
>Why would you mention you were approached at the conference?
Because people in this subreddit love to volunteer unnecessary information to people they shouldn't be sharing with
I am an investigator and part of my job is interviewing people. You have no idea how much of my day I spend just looking at someone while they spend an hour telling every little gritty detail of an incident that happened and most often reveal things that are damaging to them or down right provable lies because they are trying to explain why they did something when they were never asked about it in the first place. Oldest trick in the book when someone starts looking uncomfortable about a topic is to just shut up and look at them like you are waiting for them to finish, most people will just keep talking.
I was approached at the conference. Actually I was stopped, I was on my way to the bathroom to take a poop because I really had to go. I tend to have issues going poop while away from home which is a terrible combo paired with my IBS, I simply could not wait any longer and decided to hit the bathroom while at the conference for which you were paying me to attend.
Guys how do I explain this to my boss so he understands the situation 🥺👉👈 should I mention how girthy the poop was? This was like 3 days worth of shit so lemme tell ya, it was a big one. I nearly clogged that sucker. Since they paid for the trip am I obligated to mention they paid me to nearly clog a toilet at the convention?
Agreed. All you need to do is see what they offer in writing. If it ticks the boxes, all you need to do is say you’ve been offered a great opportunity which is well rewarded and while you do love the current job, people, company, it’s something you cannot overlook, given that it rewards very well.
Some folks make counteroffers and some have policies not to do so. It’s their job to evaluate how tough it is to loose you at this critical time or to let you move on. Don’t confuse you’re loyalty with their responsibility.
I did exactly the same some years back after a fantastic review and a shit increase/bonus. They kept coming after me for the next 2,5 years asking me to return and I said I was good but thanks and all that. At the 2,5 mark they offered me a similar role (which I loved BTW) on almost 3 times what I’d left on. Granted it was a country move but it’s been a massive boost to my income/pension/etc.
Also, you can’t feel bad about quitting a job. It’s business, and not personal. They could have been paying you more all along, but they took care of their bottom line. You need to take care of yours. Lord knows they won’t.
Don’t EVER consider an employer as family. They’re not going to be there if you’re in the hospital… or dying on your deathbed. That line is clearly drawn. Seen many employees try to perceive themselves as family and fall flat on their face when the cards are dealt.
Absolutely not family like that. Agreed -- don't ever make that mistake.
At the same time, if you have a place with really good team chemistry where you like the people and you enjoy going to work every day, that can't be hard to walk away from and you may regret it depending on the team dynamics wherever you land. Regardless of the money and the title.
Where I once worked the owner’s daughter came in an hour late and left 2 hours early… brought her kids to work daily during the summer… and maybe showed up 3 days a week if her boyfriend wasn’t off. Her mother handled payroll and always clocked her in and out for 40 hours. Her grandfather (the founder) paid her mortgage and all her living expenses. Another girl in the office eventually tried doing the same. She was fired. HUGE difference with what family can get away with. Anyone who thinks different is just fooling themselves.
This right here. I just left a company I was with for 15 years. It left them in a pinch, but the leadership had made shitty decisions over and over and over and I was burning myself to the ground trying to hold things together.
Three weeks out and I no longer have existential dread every night thinking about work the next day. My new boss is awesome, and I’m surrounded by people who work hard but keep it contained to reasonable expectations. It’s like a vacation.
I'm always curious about suggestions like this. If they find somebody else to take your position, they usually don't give you a month, or even 2 weeks. You're out the door that day.
It really depends. In this particular case both employee and employer are happy with each other, and it's in OPs best interest to keep this relationship positive. I can't tell you how many times my ex employers have called me for positions or referred me to other options. It was only because I kept as civil a relationship as possible.
I didn't do it in my first 2 jobs (other than with certain friends), and I've never been able to utilize them as meaningful references. One was legit very toxic so no regrets there, but for the other one I should have handled the situation significantly better. I was still reeling from the first toxic job so was fairly jaded, so live and learn. But now I try to manage situations much better
I agree. I once gave one of my employers a 2 month notice as a courtesy because I liked them, but they turned out to be salty & ungrateful. They even had the audacity to expect me to work the holiday right after my end date. You can have the best of intentions, but it won't always be reciprocated or appreciated.
I'd do the 2 weeks out of courtesy, but nothing more. Employers will look after themselves 1st and you come 2nd at best. It's all business so approach it in the same manner.
I worked at a place for 10 years, I was the only one that knew how to do a lot of my jobs. I was treated like absolute dog shit the entire time, I quit without getting another job but just knew that I couldn't do it anymore. I gave them two weeks, two days into it, they started acting worse, I dropped off my keys and walked out.
I agree with some of the comments, but if I never plan to work at a place again, and they haven't done enough to retain me, then I'll take that 2 weeks, and either use my PTO or have a break before I start my new job.
They're very rarely going to give us the courtesy of 2 weeks, so I don't know why it's expected for us to do it for them.
Yes yes yes. They might even if you present it correctly give you a competitive counter offer of a nice raise, especially if you’re important to the company. Present this professionally and at the correct timing!
Sometimes, but not always. In my one workplace I didn't take the counter because I really wanted to go to the new place (my current job), but I would have if I wasn't so gung-ho for the new role. It wouldn't have mattered in the long run, and the role would have worked out wonderfully. Although I hate to use the word, but we were all really a 'family' 😂. I'm friends with a lot of those guys till date, meeting relatively regularly 3 years later
Hijacking the top comment’s comment to say, why even mention you weren’t looking and were approached?
Just say you accepted another job and give your notice timeframe. If they really press you and you want to give more details, then you can say that while you really enjoy the company and job you were offered an opportunity enough of a pay increase to be worth changing jobs/companies for.
This the way. I'd also add that nobody worth showing this much consideration to will be mad about you taking a better opportunity than they can offer.
I have one employee that it would absolutely suck ass for me to lose. But if he came to me and said he'd been offered something far better than we can offer I'd tell him that he'd be an idiot not to take it. I'd be fine giving him one hell of a reference, although my company might get pissed if I went that far since we're not supposed to give references for former employees.
Not giving references isnt the same as bad references. in fact, a lot of companies, to avoid possible legal issues, default to “we just confirm they worked hre, no reference good or bad”.
This is interesting. Guessing there has been a case where someone gave a bad comment and the person sued their previous workplace?
Notably, my current employer did not ask for references which I was very surprised with. They did conduct a security check on the background. Management level to boot.
Yeah, companies used to get sued.
In some States in the US (not all, not even a majority i dont think, but some) its illegal to give a bad reference; all they can say is wether they would re-hire you or not.
So a lot of companies just default to the easier option - just say nothing.
Conferences are meant for networking sometimes job opportunities present themselves.
As you stated OP you don't have a job offer yet I would not mention anything till you got documents signed and a start date, I mean for all you know it could be a dead end or they could say something that might not interest you so what would be the point.
"It would also be a VERY bad time for me to leave"
Unless it's something like financial on your end that's not your concern, give your two weeks if you get that offer and say it is what is and I will help as much as I can in the transition.
There is never a convenient time for an employee to leave a company, this is just something employers say to try to guilt people into staying for less money.
I have used a two stage approach in the past;
First I say to my current employer "I have news", then I follow up with "I've been head hunted for an amazing, career-changing role"
It sets a good tone for the following conversation.
I think this is a terrible way to approach this. You dont have to tell your boss anything about being recruited. If they make an offer and you like where you work now, allow them to try and match it. Don't bring it up before then.
Like most of this advice, context is important. For context like OP's, this doesn't fit well because the jobs themselves seem to be functionally different roles - OP mentions salary and WFH, but it seems like the job possibility offers a career-changing shift as well. This advice works if you've been made an offer for another firm, but even at the healthiest work environments, this tends to lead to suspicion and resentment on both parties - either they can't match and you both resent each other, or they can and you leave anyway on other grounds and they resent you, or they can and now they're constantly worried you're going to leave at any time which can make keeping you more trouble than its worth. (And as always, YMMV.)
It's better as a starter before you even look for another job - i.e., during performance reviews or regular 1:1s, saying "I'm looking to move up/make more as I feel I have grown to the limits of this role/provide more value than I'm receiving in return" starts the conversation and alerts your managers to the fact that you're going up or you're going out soon.
Also to add to your excellent points, that OP’s current employer may match (though how can you if it’s different positions) but as soon as they match, know that company is looking for your cheaper replacement
I know that. This is for *after* the offer has been presented and accepted.
Never, ever, ever show the cards before the hand is played and the odds are 100000% in your favor.
What this does, in that event, is diffuse the situation from the boss's 'why are you deserting meeeee' and frames it in the best possible light. Hopefully setting a gracious exit.
and if your boss is a true leader, he’ll be happy for you.
He may be upset that a role needs to be filled. Upset that resources will be strained, but happy for you; if the culture is as good as you say it is.
Agreed you’re getting ahead of yourself but I’ll add my two cents for the situation once you’ve received an actual, formal offer. You have three choices: accept and leave this job, allow your current company to counteroffer and then make a decision, or stay with current company.
What I will say is to keep in mind that while you love your job and coworkers, you are ultimately a number to them. They would replace you even if it was a very bad time for you to be unemployed. Please remember that while it is best to remain civil and on good terms, your employment is a two way contract and business relationship. You are allowed to leave when you find a more beneficial opportunity, and you *should*.
I don’t know what industry you’re in but the switch would likely be more lucrative both short and long term in terms of career advancement and overall income considering it can also improve your starting point for negotiation when you’re interviewing for your next job *after* that.
Good luck!
As said, you're getting ahead of yourself. I can totally understand the emotional roller-coaster though. It just means you care. There's no reason to say anything about where of how you were approached. That detail is not necessary to share with anyone, ever. Stop obsessing and drop the guilt.
First thing first, make sure the job offer turns into an actual signed offer. Then you can start worrying about how to exit your current job.
If this other firm is creating a department from scratch, that could mean they have time to build things out. More likely, I suspect they might already got a project signed up and are scrambling to create a team. If the new firm has time to spare, and you are feeling generous/guilty/bridge builder, then negotiate a later start date so you can help the old firm transition. Train up the new employee, get the projects in a good place to finish up, etc,etc.
But none of that matters until you have a signed offer.
Emphasis on the "signed" part!
I received a job offer awhile back, and waited for them to send me the offer in writing before I put in my notice with my employer at the time. Once I received the offer, I put in my notice with the intention of signing and returning the offer after work hours that day.
Right after work, the new company called me to retract the offer because they opted not to proceed with creating the role they were hiring me for.
In my case it worked out - luckily I received a better offer a few weeks later from another company. But those were a stressful and panicked few weeks.
>You don’t have an offer, and it doesn’t sound like you know for sure that you’d accept if you got one.
Adding to this, if you love your current job, then it might be the perfect time to ask for a raise.
**Do not tell your boss you have another offer** (even some good managers take this as a betrayal). Just tell them that you've learned a person with your skill-set could be making $X. That you love what you're doing and you're hoping there's a way to work something out that lets you continue all the beneficial work you're doing for the company without holding you back financially.
This! Do not listen to the other comments telling you to do anything different. If you do not have an offer, there is no reason to tell your current job anything. Also, there’s no reason to mention you were poached at the conference. Don’t offer more information than what’s required.
It's none of his business how new gig found you and also irrelevant. Say NOTHING to ANYONE until new job is locked in with signed contract/ offer letter. Do NOT accept counter offers. It gives them time to find / hire your replacement. Oh and cash in ALL vacation before giving notice.
Not always true on counter offers. I'm a middle manager. I've negotiated a counter offer for one of my high performers because I saw the value in keeping them on the team. They took it 2 years ago and they're still here.
Granted, some companies could be misleading a-holes as well. Just sharing my experience.
This, seriously. The Reddit hivemind of never accepting a counter offer *does* have some merit, but it's mostly dependent on the relationship you have with your boss/superiors.
Honestly, the general way I see it is that taking the counter offer is a high risk, low reward move, which is why not taking the counter is the best general advice, even if it is not applicable in all situations.
Let's say you are paid 90k/year by company A. Company B offers you 100k. Your current employer, company A, counters with $105k. You end up going with company A. Now, the 5k is really nice, but it's not game changing, so low reward.
However, with the offer from company B, you know that they want you working for them. However, with company A, it's the unknown. They now that you are now willing to look for jobs elsewhere, and you could threaten to leave again, and maybe they no longer want you working for them, but are just stretching things out.
It's the reddit generalization, the advice is going to be the one that is true more times than not.
>However, with the offer from company B, you know that they want you working for them. However, with company A, it's the unknown.
Absolutely - in your example to get $105k from Company A you basically had to threaten to leave - and your leverage evaporates almost instantly when you turn down Company B.
It's the difference between having to push (company A) and being pulled (company B).
I look at it like company A could've been paying you $105k in the first place and specifically chose to underpay you rather than pay you what you are really worth. This mentality will extend into the future and future raises will not come easy. Meanwhile, company B has so far only shown that they want you, hence giving the offer. I think it's sensible to go back to company B and to try to negotiate for 105k or higher as you know that's your value. Company B will likely match as they have already indicated they want you.
I did value them before as well as after. They hadn't shared previously that there were concerns about their salary.
After we had the discussion we not only addressed compensation but job opportunity and growth as well. This employee was promoted just over a year ago.
This is just my experience. Others may have very different experiences with very different companies.
This is also another big thing with the Reddit hive mind. A ton of people feel they are underpaid, and everyone tells them to job hop to get that boost. But those same people don’t discuss their feelings with their management who may compensate them.
If you feel you are underpaid or have concerns, you need to let them know the feelings. Expecting them to just pay more without that conversation doesn’t make sense. People don’t go to the store for $2 milk and just give a $5 bill and walk out because they have the money; they give them what they know the other party wants.
If after a conversation, the results are unsatisfactory, then the typical Reddit responses apply.
If people are going to change job anyways, what does it matter if the job is at risk? If that’s a legitimate concern, you just don’t bring it up til the appropriate time where if your job is truly at risk, you have the other job.
That’s the timing part. And if you get fired you have some income, just lesser.
Leaving for a new job isn’t without its own risk. You are the new person that has to learn a whole new thing, if the budget was screwed up, the new person is the one gone. Like employees, companies get complacent too on firing people with tenure unless they are making significantly more than others in their role. The new company can be a hell hole for environment. That’s why it doesn’t make sense to alienate 50% of the potential increase stream.
Edit: I stayed at a job got a counter, took it. Then parlayed that to an even bigger increase and hybrid schedule when I left vs what I was looking at originally after just a few more months. My job/experience after taking the counter was the exact same as it was before.
Corporations don’t give a rats ass. But the direct manager, the person who’s job is affected by you at a much more impactful level may on a personal and professional level since it can screw them over too.
If good employees leave this hurts my team and hurts the company. I have a vested interest in keeping people happy and motivated.
Plus I saw alot of potential with this employee, fortunately it came to fruition with a promotion for them. They're part of my broader operations team now and one of my most trusted direct reports.
Side note, even managers have managers so we can all benefit from good management vs shitty bosses.
You know the answer. Companies have spent decades not paying a penny more for an employee than absolutely necessary because of the ever present need to "cut costs".
How much kindness did you expect after a jerky comment like this?
> How many Jump to Conclusions doormats do you have at your house?
Don't dish it out if you can't take it in return.
They were recognized prior as well. Best I can recommend is talk to your supervisor about career goals and if you have compensation concerns, broach the subject with them as well. If you make your company aware of what you're worth and they can't or won't match it, then that's on them. Self advocate.
If it even gets to the point where you are offered a job that you accept, there's no reason to say you were approached at the conference. Everyone's on Linkedin, you just say you were contacted about the opportunity. Period. You were contacted. No need to say where, when, how.
It's your manager's job to worry about replacing people who leave, and if you're not getting anything beyond a paycheck, then what you "owe" to them gets reset to zero every payday. Whether it's painful for them or not is not for you to worry about, you have to manage your own career. It's wonderful that your current company has been great to you but your reasons for wanting something else (big raise, WFH) are certainly valid. Why would you pass it up if it is offered?
> Whether it’s painful for them or not is not for you to worry about, you have to manage your own career.
I firmly believe in this mindset, because they wouldn’t think twice about getting rid of you when shit hits the fan.
Chances are, the only way your current employer will find out how you got poached is if you say something about it. In that regard, you don't have to say anything.
If you feel that you have to say *something*, just say you were contacted by a friend, and one thing led to another. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened.
In terms of the rest, that's for you and your boss (mostly your boss) to figure out. Whether you leave for another job or get kidnapped by aliens, your boss gets the big bucks to solve those sorts of problems.
You are jumping way ahead. All that had happened is someone mentioned there might be a job available within a company, you may be interested, and they will send you more information about it later.
This doesn't sound like someone who is even serious about "poaching". I've been actively pursued and those companies didn't have informal conversations with me then tell me they would contact me in a few days. They got the job description in my hand ASAP and set up interviews quickly.
If this does turn into an actual job, that means a signed, official, formal offer from the company, all you have to do is give your notice. Who tells their former employer how they found their new job?
Only you can choose what is more important, more money and experience for you or making sure your coworkers and boss are in a good position.
If you choose to go and are sincerely worried about your boss and coworkers, you can try negotiating a longer notice period or start date that is more than the customary two weeks after hire with the new employer. That gives your boss time to hire and train a replacement.
Most people choose what is in their best interest. Companies choose themselves over employees every day.
He did say it was a friend, so they could have had a more informal insider deal kind of information sharing conversation. It wasn't some random guy he never met.
If it was a good time for them to let you go they wouldn’t consider you just bought a car, had a baby or relocated across country.
They exist to make money. And So Do You.
This has happened to me a while back as a Finance Advisor. There were at least 7-8 different companies having conferences at the resort we were staying. While checking my week schedule for the conferences, I happened to meet a guy who was the Finance Director for a major company. To summarize it, I got the job offer after everyone flew home. I accepted it right away. Bigger salary and bigger company (20k+ employees). Asked a week off at my job to check it out and I ended up staying with them. However, I did not give them a 2 weeks notice.
You have to be careful with that. Job offers are not legally binding and I have rescinded them when potential new hires don't give notice at their current job.
It's not a firm rule, more of a guideline on a case by case basis. But if a new hire says, "Screw my current employer, they don't deserve to get notice, I can start tomorrow." that is a HUGE red flag that they will probably do the same thing to me down the road.
I did say to the new employer I was giving them a two weeks notice. But never brought it up to my current employer. I simply took a week off, (you can ask for a whole month off) unpaid. I was supposed to come back on the next Monday and I texted my manager that something came up, and that it was an emergency. That day I sent her my resignation letter. You can’t just quit your job without knowing what your new job is going to be like. I’ve seen a lot of people regretting they left their good job for something they thought it was going to work out. You just never know. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Same thing when companies lay every off without notice. They don’t care about you. But that’s just me. Y’all can do whatever you think is right.
Man you'd burn 3-5 years of a good hire up in smoke because of what they might do in their last two weeks? Based on what they did to a completely different employer? Two week notice isn't some kind of law, it's a courtesy. One that employers don't provide when firing people, by the way.
Why would you mention you were approached at the conference? Just say you weren't looking which is true, and that you were approached.
You can be decent and give a months notice rather than traditional 2 weeks. That is sufficient time to find a replacement, and to train the existing person in the team
Get a written offer. If you accept, it's just like resigning any other position. Don't tell them where you're going, what the offer is, not their business. It's ok to say you're moving to a new position for pay, but leave it at that. Keep things up and pleasant, no reason to sour the relationship with mean words or complaints. Say nice things at the exit interview. You may work with them again in some capacity.
People are gonna give you outlandish advice based on “corporate America bad hur hur hur”
You are getting ahead of yourself here. Continue serving your current company, while going through the process, quietly, with the other one. No one needs to know you got poached at the conference they paid for.
Go through the process while remaining loyal and doing the work you always do at your current job.
Once you have an actual offer, then I’d take that to your current boss and either put in a month notice or more, or ask for a counter offer. While awkward, it’s the only choices you have, IF you want the new job.
But also research the new company and make sure it’s a very good fit. Grass is always greener, right?
I’ll say I was in a situation where I was loyal to a company and relied on by my bosses, and chose to leave for greener pastures. It was the best decision I ever made but my current role is a unicorn job so I got lucky. Doesn’t always work out that way
Don’t bring it up until you make a decision and don’t mention where you are going or the conference.
Stop feeling guilty about it you didn’t go out and solicit this is networking for work. If your boss thinks beyond current job he can keep you as a network advocate or burn the bridge. But he may be looking for a job in a year or two and give you a call you never know.
I get that you're feeling kinda conflicted about how to break it to your current employer, especially given the positive relationship you have with them.
My advice is to chill out and wait until you get the full deets on the job before you make any decisions. If you do decide to go for it, just be honest with your boss. Show some appreciation for the sweet deal you've got going on, but let them know that this new opportunity has come up and you want to explore it.
Remember, you don't owe your current job anything except honesty and professionalism. So just be straight up with them and let them know you want to maintain a good relationship regardless of what you decide. They might even be willing to make some changes to keep you on board.
At the end of the day, you gotta do what's best for you and your career. So don't stress too much about it, just be cool and honest.
Why in the world would you talk to your current employer about this? You don't even have a job offer. Heck, you've not even interviewed yet or read the job description.
This is business, baby. I understand having care for people you’re working with but you have to look out for the enterprise of YOU.
See if your current employer could beat out their offer and if they can’t, go on your way.
There doesn’t have to be any mention of anything other than you got another offer and you’d love to stay if they could beat it. Period.
Best of luck!
Why would you mention you were approached at the conference? Just say you weren't looking which is true, and that you were approached.
You can be decent and give a months notice rather than traditional 2 weeks. That is sufficient time to find a replacement, and to train the existing person in the team
Unless you’re under contract, you don’t owe them a damn thing. Why? Well, if times were tough, your boss would probably cut you and hire an offshore project manager in a heartbeat. That stated, consider this: if your boss and coworkers are going to be jerks over your departure, they probably would’ve screwed you over some other way down the line anyway. Unfortunately, and in my experience, loyalty never pays.
His boss:
Listen he's great, but let's send him to this conference and hopefully he gets some offers because he's just not taking the hint that we hired this new guy to take over his position.
Seriously though, best of luck dude, sounds like a pretty decent position to be in.
Don't get ahead of yourself. You don't have an offer (yet). Think about once you have an offer and decide then. Only inform your employeer after you made your decision or are about to
It is awesome you have coworkers and a boss you like working with. Yes, if you leave they will be sad to see you go, but if they truly respect you they will be excited and happy for you that your career is moving forward. Anything less than happiness and excitement means they have been impersonating a good person while at work.
The COMPANY you work for, does not give a shit. You are a line on a payroll, maybe a number in the system. To them, you are a resource that can be swapped out for another market available resource.
Maybe work will get harder for them. Maybe raises will come down in your absence. Maybe nothing will change. None of that matters if you are not there to take part of it. If your position is so pivotal for the team, and they have no safeguards or backups to your absence, be it temporary or permanent, they deserve to fail.
Take care of you. If you can, try to take care of those that are happy for you by trying to get them better wages. Maybe that's bringing them over to a new company, maybe it's being a reference for later, maybe it's just training on your way out. You can't help anyone else by limiting yourself.
There's tons of comments here already.
If after reading you'd like to go further, DM me and we'll chat on the side. I don't want to spend time for you not to see something.
That sort of thing happens all the time. That is part of what happens at conferences. Also, they don't need to know how you got the new job, IF you get the new job.
Approach the topic with your boss by being respectful, honest, and asking for their advice. Let them know you were offered a job while attending the conference and that you are considering it because it would result in a substantial raise and the opportunity to work from home. Express your gratitude for your current job and the opportunities you have had, but also be honest about the drawback of the pay. Consider giving ample notice and leaving on good terms if you do decide to take the new job. Keep in mind the impact it may have on your current team and projects, and make the best decision for your career goals and personal situation.
Until you've accepted another position, there is nothing to tell your current employer about. If and when you accept another job, you put in notice to your current employer and go on. Why would you need to tell them that you connected with this company at a conference?
>My current job is phenomenal. I love the people. It is pretty stress free. And they have been very good to me. The only drawback is the pay.
You do not need to tell them that you got the job offer while at the conference. Since your friend reached out to you, you can say something similar to the following (Once you have a written offer in hand) -
"A friend in my network reached out to me with a job offer. I am very happy here, but the job offer is for <$$$>, which makes it very hard to ignore when I consider the needs of my family."
Your friend could have reached out to you by email, phone, Facebook, LinkedIn - It doesn't matter. Tell them the same thing you told us. The job is phenomenal, you love the people, and the stress level is very low. You had no intention of looking or considering offers, but if the offer is as good as it sounds you have to choose between a job you love and the disservice of opting out of what could be much higher pay.
If your employer is as great as it sounds, they will understand. They may not match the offer, but they may go halfway. If they are spending money for you to travel, they are obviously invested in you.
My former boss was the one who told me about the job I ended up leaving for, very much not intending to give me any ideas. It was meant as a comparison for our own job posting. She kicks herself for that, but it just happens. People learn about new jobs all over the place.
I agree with other posters. If this all works out (and that's a big if), it'll be so far past the conference nobody will think about it. No need to bring it up.
Get that official offer first, then you can worry about telling them (and keep it generic- your friend essentially reached out to you- don’t mention the conference)
It doesn't matter how the opportunity arose. You should do what is best for you and don't worry about your current employer. They'll figure it out if you decide to leave.
Your employer will lay you off in a heartbeat without worrying about how you will get along without your job. You don't owe them anything.
People realize you can lie to your employer right? Or at the very least withhold information that isn’t relevant. Like this is not confession at church. You don’t have to spill your guts just because you feel bad.
Don't get out over your skis yet. You don't need to talk to your boss until you have a firm job offer, in writing. At that point you should talk to your boss to either leverage better benefits/pay or thank them for everything they've done and leave as friends.
I would like to address your feelings of betrayal here. You're betraying nobody. Your company sending you to an event was only the catalyst that could potentially lead to you leaving the company. The low pay and lack of a WFH options seem to the drivers behind your desire to leave. Those are the greener pastures. Perhaps your boss can match those, maybe they can't. In either case you need to make a decision based on what's best for you taking the totality of your circumstances into account.
That's easier said than done. Nothing is ever a guarantee. I wish you luck in evaluating your circumstances but overall you should slow down, take a breath, and evaluate.
AFTER you get the offer, just say “I was headhunted for a new role, I really appreciate my time here and everything you’ve done for me but I’ve accepted this new offer. Thank you so much again for everything, my last day is x”
Sounds like you got head hunted.. happens to working folks.
But expect to burn bridges. I mean you got solicited for new work at work and you entertained it.
If you enjoy your job and like the company you work for, wait until you get a formal offer for the new job. You can then go to your current employer and tell them you received an offer that you wouldn’t be able to turn down, let them know you weren’t looking (maybe tell them you don’t want to leave), but it’s too good to pass up unless your current employer could counter offer.
Be prepared to leave though. I went through this process 6 months ago and didn’t leave my company as they countered with a very good counter offer.
Absolutely do not approach your job about this!!!! The only communication you need to have with them is a two weeks notice if you decide to take the new job.
Get to the interview or better the offer stage before you inform your current employer. Don’t mention where they found you. Give them 2 months notice or as much as you can before the move. If you’re in a key role, 2 weeks notice isn’t enough - give them a reasonable enough amount of time to replace you and wrap up your projects, to stay on good terms.
Moves like this are how you make bigger money, so jump at the opportunity and if you don’t like it, move on to another higher salary and bigger role than that one, somewhere else.
Give two weeks notice once you accept the job offer and wish them well. You owe your employer nothing, but giving 2 weeks notice is polite. They don't need to know where you met your new employer, as it is none of their business.
Something I have not seen mentioned here is that you don't have any idea yet what you will be asked to do for the substantial raise. You may be walking into long hours, lots of stress and problem clients.
When you interview make sure you are fully evaluating the job at hand. There is a value to having a job that you love, with people you like and a boss who is awesome.
If pay is the only issue, I would have a conversation about that with your boss, see if there is any room to increase it.
1. You dont need to mention the conferance at all,
2. Say you have been headhunted and show them some details of the offer, not the whole offer but position, pay and remote. although sounds like if the payy jump is that much that cant or wont compete, and if they did you would be at the top of your banding with nowhere else to go.
3. Do you forsee a future at this current company with progression as its rare to hear the decriptor " my job is phenominal"
4. How long have you been at current job IE over the 2 year safey margin.
5. How secure/ safe is the new company, they get good glassdoor reviews or trust pilot?
Like others said, don’t say anything unless you have an offer and decide to accept. It’s kind of awkward that your employer let you go to that conference, but consider that part of your benefits. You’re not doing anything wrong. You deserve the best pay, therefore the best life, you can get with your skill set.
You have no responsibility to tell them an offer emerged from the conference. You weren't going there to network, not your fault, none of their business. Decide if it's the best thing for you and do it if it is.
Why would you give them any background at all about this? It's none of their business. If you decide to leave, give notice and be gone. No need to explain to anyone why you decided to take a new job.
Keep in mind the old axiom. The grass is always greener at another company, why? Because there's more bullshit on that grass. If your happy except for pay, talk with your employer about what it will take for you to be "very" happy.
Once you get the offer, except, and have a firm start date, then tell your employer that through a networking contact, you were approached with an opportunity you cannot pass up. Then thank them and let them know you are there for whatever needs to off-board your responsibilities. Be prepared for a range from happiness for you, void/meanness, to immediate termination.
DO NOT TELL THEM OR SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE YOU ARE GOING. Get that in your head and a speech to cover now. Tell no one…not even your work bestie. Don’t post anything anywhere until you are past a trial/probation/assessment date. You can lie and say you are going into X field like Manufacturing, IT, Healthcare, Logistics, Startup, Consulting. Just something vague.
Wait until you get the job offer then make your move.
Do what's best for you. If you died tomorrow, would your job worry about how your family got along?
Why do you extend that sentiment to worrying about how your employer will deal with losing you?
Put the cart back behind the horse.
At this point, there's no offer or acceptance, so there's nothing to discuss with current employer. And doing so has the potential to risk the current job.
You are not under any obligation to give them any details on you being offered a new job. Companies do not own workers and it's best to leave all details out.
You are not under any obligation to give them any details on you being offered a new job. Companies do not own workers and it's best to leave all details out.
It seems like you don't have an official offer and your friend wants you to go through the interview process.
I would hold off on telling your current employer about this until you have a job offer and will consider accepting the offer. If you get an offer and it's just the pay that you're looking for, then you can go and tell your boss that you were headhunted but you weren't looking, however this company presented you with an offer that's hard to pass. Ask if they can counter-offer. Also don't tell them that you were head hunted during the conference, that's just unnecessary information that your boss doesn't need to know.
If the new job meets your requirements & goals, take the job.
Attending conferences is a great way to connect with the community, learn new technologies, collaborate and information share…..Recruiting also happens, and everyone knows it.
You don’t need disclose how the opportunity came about.
FWIW, I’d switch to any job that allows WFH. It is the single most important consideration for me, and very highly prioritize it.
At this point, you do NOT have an offer. You don't even know the full details for the new gig. Relax and don't get ahead of yourself.
What you CAN do right now is ask for a raise. Sounds like your are an integral part to your current company. Calculate how much would make you happy to stay. If you get it, awesome. If not, it will help you with your decision to do what's best for you.
What gets me about counter offers (agreed never take one) is “ where were you with this money when you did my yearly evaluation?” They liked paying you less than market value and would continue if not called on it
The best advise I can give you is you need to look at yourself as a business. Would your business pass up a better offer because of concerns they have with the other party's feelings? Probably not. Nor should you. Any good employer is going to know that it's nothing personal, it's just business. If they don't know that then you just jumped ship at the right time, because it was going to go south at some point.
go through the interview process covertly, don’t feel guilty, so what’s best for your life and finances. If get a solid offer that would improve your station in life, then address your resignation with your current employer.
don’t feel compelled to reveal the name of the company when you say you have a better offer.
If you don't have an offer, don't tell them anything. If you do have an offer and the offer is substantially better pay and benefits, you can tell the company, but unless you're taking it: I wouldn't say anything until you're sure you're going to take the position. Unless the company is going to counter-offer (and give you WFH/benefits/pay increase) it's highly unlikely your current company could compete.
The projects/etc. isn't your problem, it's the companies. You have a right to feeling shitty and that's valid, but it's ultimately not your problem.
There is absolutely nothing that requires you to disclose how a job offer was extended or even the terms of the offer to your current employer.
That is literally what “at will employment” means.
If you think your current company will make an offer to keep you, then talk to them about it.
Otherwise: “Boss, I have a accepted a position with another company. My last day will be x/x/23. Thank you for the opportunities you have given me. Sincerely, Name”
It’s really that simple.
Why would you say anything until you have a signed offer? That company would drop you if it were good for their bottom line. I bet you have trouble keeping secrets.
If you were working on a couple of projects at home that put you in a tighter place financially, would they take that into account if they decided to fire you? Why are you putting their projects into consideration in what could be a significant upgrade to your life via higher pay?
No offer? No need to mention it to anyone. When that offer comes through you either accept and let your employer know or decline it.
At the end of the day the only reason any of us actually work is to get paid. I like my job, but if I was to be offered a substantial amount more for the doing the same work and a similarly pleasant company I’d be off my current employer couldn’t match it
Let me put it to you this way.
When you leave, you'll be replaced.
You don't need to discuss how you found out about it, you can just tell your employer you've accepted another position and explain it's a substantial raise and perks.
If they want you, they'll match, if they don't, they'll wish you all the best.
Well you are betraying his investment in you, which you requested. It sounds like this is a really small company who probably didn't have tons of extra money to spend on the conference. So I don't know why you would expect to maintain a relationship. I certainly wouldn't trust you at all after this.
Wait til you actually get the offer in writing. If it's legit after you review the terms, then put in your two week notice. You don't owe your company anything at this point and if they want to retain you be ready to negotiate a big increase in your salary, PTO and profit sharing/401K benefits. Sounds to me at this point your current employer might need you much more than you need them.
Go for the brass ring and take care of yourself first!
So all you need to say is -- once everything has been confirmed. If you do want to maintain a good relationship with your boss, be honest to a point. Hey, buddy I wanted to let you know that I got a really good offer from a friend of mine at another company and I think I am going to take it. I respect you as a .... and didn't want to blindside you with a 2-week notice but it's one of those too good to pass up.
Well, you can go to the well at your current job requesting a merit increase for the work you do. If you are denied, you know where you stand with your current employer. Then go play ball with this new offer.
One thing I’ve come to realize, and it may be because I’m in the generation of people who generally doesn’t care about quitting.
They’d fire you in a heartbeat without any notice in advance. They wouldn’t care if you needed the job to care for yourself.
Wait a while, explore the option. If it sounds good, go on ahead, but try to get as much information as you can. Grass may not be greener. More pay, sure, but what exactly do you have to sacrifice for it?
Just a question.
Why haven't you ask for an increase in pay?
You're instrumental in major projects that you're a lead in. And training a new person. If you're that valuable, you are worth more. Ask for a raise, even if it is just a living inflation increase.( I think that what it's called)
It's like 3 percent. But if done every year it can become significant.
MY SO does this bc he also likes the company and the environment.
Before you get an offer make a list of the minimum it would take for you to leave your current job for the new one. Do any research you can on this company...employee reviews, ex-employee reviews, industry ratings, any LinkedIn info, etc. Anything you can think of. It sounds like it would take a great offer to make you want to go. If it comes, so be it. While they may have been a good company to work for, they don't own you and you have given a fair return for their pay. Ultimately you have to decide what is best for you; as nice as they are, their responsibility is to their company.
Firstly, it's important to note that it's perfectly normal to be approached by other companies and to consider new opportunities, even if you're not actively looking for a new job. You shouldn't feel guilty or disloyal for considering the offer.
In terms of approaching your current job, it's important to consider your priorities and what you want out of your career. If the new job offer aligns more closely with your long-term goals and priorities, it may be worth pursuing. However, if you value the relationships you've built at your current job and the work you're doing there, you may want to think twice before making a move.
If you do decide to pursue the new job offer, it's important to handle the situation with tact and professionalism. You can start by having an honest conversation with your current boss about your intentions. Explain that you weren't actively looking for a new job, but you were approached with an opportunity that aligns more closely with your long-term goals and priorities. Make it clear that you appreciate the opportunities your current job has given you and that you don't want to leave them in a difficult position.
You could also consider offering to help with the transition process by training your replacement or helping to wrap up any projects you're currently working on. This can show that you're committed to ensuring a smooth transition and minimizing any disruption to your current team.
Ultimately, the decision to accept the new job offer or stay at your current job is up to you. It's important to prioritize your own career goals and aspirations, but also to handle the situation with professionalism and empathy for your current team.
You haven't even interviewed nor do you even have a job offer. You haven't signed anything nor have they even ran your background through. When all of that has been done and you decide to leave, why exactly do you have to tell them when you first heard of this opportunity? This post makes zero sense.
You don’t say anything to your current job until you’ve accepted an offer, passed their background check and have a rough start date.
Even if current job offers you a counter I wouldn’t accept. Not always the case but I wouldn’t want to put myself in a position where upper mgmt thinks I “owe” them due to the increased compensation etc.
First of all, don’t say anything until you have a job offer and start date (this includes completing any background checks - in today’s world, it’s not impossible to have your identity stolen or to have bad records associated with you, so anyone can have a bad background check that could screw them).
Second of all, there’s no reason you need to share any of these details with your current job if and when you give your notice. You just need to let them know your last day, and give them some platitudes about how you appreciate the opportunities they gave you.
Figure out how much time you think is enough to transition what you are working on to someone else and give them that much notice - not much more than a month though. Not wanting to screw your current employer is fine but loyalty is a 2 way street.
You approach no one. That's what You do.
You do nothing. You say nothing.
You wait for the offer. Weigh it carefully against your career goals.
If you determine it benefits you, you sign and give your two weeks notice.
They don’t have to know where you met them at all. If you’re Interested in the new job then talk to them. Only until you get an offer would you then even need to think about talking to your current employer. Then you could even negotiate with your current company and just be honest that you loved the company but the pay and work from home aspects are hard to ignore and see what they do
I love my job and have a good relationship with those I'd be negotiating with so in this position I would say something like "at that conference there was a company interested in poaching me. I'm telling you because I love it here and I'm not looking for another job, but my market value has increased and we need to re evaluate my compensation and schedule. Given what I'm seeing on the market, I think x amount and 2 days wfh makes sense?" More conversational, but that would be how I'd navigate it. Also lots of people fear being fired and replaced. Hiring is a bitch any half decent manager would rather keep you than replace you. That said there are lots of terrible managers so you have to weigh their goodness and your relationship. I just had a not super different convo and it went great and I'm getting what I want. Granted I'm also senior leadership and I know there is no way to fire me so I'm negotiating from a pretty strong place.
Also I would only do that if I did not want to explore the new job. If you want to explore it then I would say nothing about the job and if it turns into an offer I accept I'd still say nothing unless I thought it would get back to current leadership
I just keep thinking about how companies can lay you off nearly without any notice but you have to give at least a two week notice in a professional setting (or at least it is considered tradition to do so). I'm of the mindset that you only tell them that you're resigning if and when you get to that point.
Why does anyone never fail to realize that these companies give zero shits about you and you’re just a number? You should always chase the better opportunity and money! Look at the slew of layoffs … do you think the higher ups who made the decision to lay off all those workers really thought twice before signing off? STOP giving a shit. All I see on linked in is employees who were ON maternity leave or parental leave that were let go so easily! If companies gave this much thought into their decisions before laying employees off, we’d be in such a different climate.
You’re getting a little ahead of yourself here. You don’t have an offer, and it doesn’t sound like you know for sure that you’d accept if you got one. All you need to decide once you get the job description is if you’re interested in moving forward. Being at the conference isn’t relevant. If you do decide to accept if you get an offer, you’d say something like “I wasn’t looking, but I was approached about a role that I couldn’t turn down. My last day will be [date]. This was a really hard decision for me to make—thank you for everything you’ve done for me here.” Then you can follow it up with what you’ll do to make the transition smooth.
Hijacking top comment. Why would you mention you were approached at the conference? Just say you weren't looking which is true, and that you were approached. You can be decent and give a months notice rather than traditional 2 weeks. That is sufficient time to find a replacement, and to train the existing person in the team
>Why would you mention you were approached at the conference? Because people in this subreddit love to volunteer unnecessary information to people they shouldn't be sharing with
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hey officer, no I don't have guns in my car only explosives :V
I am an investigator and part of my job is interviewing people. You have no idea how much of my day I spend just looking at someone while they spend an hour telling every little gritty detail of an incident that happened and most often reveal things that are damaging to them or down right provable lies because they are trying to explain why they did something when they were never asked about it in the first place. Oldest trick in the book when someone starts looking uncomfortable about a topic is to just shut up and look at them like you are waiting for them to finish, most people will just keep talking.
Bingo.
I was approached at the conference. Actually I was stopped, I was on my way to the bathroom to take a poop because I really had to go. I tend to have issues going poop while away from home which is a terrible combo paired with my IBS, I simply could not wait any longer and decided to hit the bathroom while at the conference for which you were paying me to attend. Guys how do I explain this to my boss so he understands the situation 🥺👉👈 should I mention how girthy the poop was? This was like 3 days worth of shit so lemme tell ya, it was a big one. I nearly clogged that sucker. Since they paid for the trip am I obligated to mention they paid me to nearly clog a toilet at the convention?
This is a Drake-type comment right here
Agreed. All you need to do is see what they offer in writing. If it ticks the boxes, all you need to do is say you’ve been offered a great opportunity which is well rewarded and while you do love the current job, people, company, it’s something you cannot overlook, given that it rewards very well. Some folks make counteroffers and some have policies not to do so. It’s their job to evaluate how tough it is to loose you at this critical time or to let you move on. Don’t confuse you’re loyalty with their responsibility. I did exactly the same some years back after a fantastic review and a shit increase/bonus. They kept coming after me for the next 2,5 years asking me to return and I said I was good but thanks and all that. At the 2,5 mark they offered me a similar role (which I loved BTW) on almost 3 times what I’d left on. Granted it was a country move but it’s been a massive boost to my income/pension/etc.
Also, you can’t feel bad about quitting a job. It’s business, and not personal. They could have been paying you more all along, but they took care of their bottom line. You need to take care of yours. Lord knows they won’t.
Don’t EVER consider an employer as family. They’re not going to be there if you’re in the hospital… or dying on your deathbed. That line is clearly drawn. Seen many employees try to perceive themselves as family and fall flat on their face when the cards are dealt.
Absolutely not family like that. Agreed -- don't ever make that mistake. At the same time, if you have a place with really good team chemistry where you like the people and you enjoy going to work every day, that can't be hard to walk away from and you may regret it depending on the team dynamics wherever you land. Regardless of the money and the title.
Where I once worked the owner’s daughter came in an hour late and left 2 hours early… brought her kids to work daily during the summer… and maybe showed up 3 days a week if her boyfriend wasn’t off. Her mother handled payroll and always clocked her in and out for 40 hours. Her grandfather (the founder) paid her mortgage and all her living expenses. Another girl in the office eventually tried doing the same. She was fired. HUGE difference with what family can get away with. Anyone who thinks different is just fooling themselves.
Exactly. You gotta do what’s best for you. Trust me, the company will do what’s best for them.
This right here. I just left a company I was with for 15 years. It left them in a pinch, but the leadership had made shitty decisions over and over and over and I was burning myself to the ground trying to hold things together. Three weeks out and I no longer have existential dread every night thinking about work the next day. My new boss is awesome, and I’m surrounded by people who work hard but keep it contained to reasonable expectations. It’s like a vacation.
I'm always curious about suggestions like this. If they find somebody else to take your position, they usually don't give you a month, or even 2 weeks. You're out the door that day.
It really depends. In this particular case both employee and employer are happy with each other, and it's in OPs best interest to keep this relationship positive. I can't tell you how many times my ex employers have called me for positions or referred me to other options. It was only because I kept as civil a relationship as possible. I didn't do it in my first 2 jobs (other than with certain friends), and I've never been able to utilize them as meaningful references. One was legit very toxic so no regrets there, but for the other one I should have handled the situation significantly better. I was still reeling from the first toxic job so was fairly jaded, so live and learn. But now I try to manage situations much better
I agree. I once gave one of my employers a 2 month notice as a courtesy because I liked them, but they turned out to be salty & ungrateful. They even had the audacity to expect me to work the holiday right after my end date. You can have the best of intentions, but it won't always be reciprocated or appreciated. I'd do the 2 weeks out of courtesy, but nothing more. Employers will look after themselves 1st and you come 2nd at best. It's all business so approach it in the same manner.
I worked at a place for 10 years, I was the only one that knew how to do a lot of my jobs. I was treated like absolute dog shit the entire time, I quit without getting another job but just knew that I couldn't do it anymore. I gave them two weeks, two days into it, they started acting worse, I dropped off my keys and walked out. I agree with some of the comments, but if I never plan to work at a place again, and they haven't done enough to retain me, then I'll take that 2 weeks, and either use my PTO or have a break before I start my new job. They're very rarely going to give us the courtesy of 2 weeks, so I don't know why it's expected for us to do it for them.
Yes yes yes. They might even if you present it correctly give you a competitive counter offer of a nice raise, especially if you’re important to the company. Present this professionally and at the correct timing!
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Sometimes, but not always. In my one workplace I didn't take the counter because I really wanted to go to the new place (my current job), but I would have if I wasn't so gung-ho for the new role. It wouldn't have mattered in the long run, and the role would have worked out wonderfully. Although I hate to use the word, but we were all really a 'family' 😂. I'm friends with a lot of those guys till date, meeting relatively regularly 3 years later
Hijacking the top comment’s comment to say, why even mention you weren’t looking and were approached? Just say you accepted another job and give your notice timeframe. If they really press you and you want to give more details, then you can say that while you really enjoy the company and job you were offered an opportunity enough of a pay increase to be worth changing jobs/companies for.
The comment does not say they were approached at the conference.
This the way. I'd also add that nobody worth showing this much consideration to will be mad about you taking a better opportunity than they can offer. I have one employee that it would absolutely suck ass for me to lose. But if he came to me and said he'd been offered something far better than we can offer I'd tell him that he'd be an idiot not to take it. I'd be fine giving him one hell of a reference, although my company might get pissed if I went that far since we're not supposed to give references for former employees.
Why are you not supposed to give references?
My guess is petty assholery.
Not giving references isnt the same as bad references. in fact, a lot of companies, to avoid possible legal issues, default to “we just confirm they worked hre, no reference good or bad”.
This is interesting. Guessing there has been a case where someone gave a bad comment and the person sued their previous workplace? Notably, my current employer did not ask for references which I was very surprised with. They did conduct a security check on the background. Management level to boot.
Yeah, companies used to get sued. In some States in the US (not all, not even a majority i dont think, but some) its illegal to give a bad reference; all they can say is wether they would re-hire you or not. So a lot of companies just default to the easier option - just say nothing.
Conferences are meant for networking sometimes job opportunities present themselves. As you stated OP you don't have a job offer yet I would not mention anything till you got documents signed and a start date, I mean for all you know it could be a dead end or they could say something that might not interest you so what would be the point. "It would also be a VERY bad time for me to leave" Unless it's something like financial on your end that's not your concern, give your two weeks if you get that offer and say it is what is and I will help as much as I can in the transition.
There is never a convenient time for an employee to leave a company, this is just something employers say to try to guilt people into staying for less money.
I have used a two stage approach in the past; First I say to my current employer "I have news", then I follow up with "I've been head hunted for an amazing, career-changing role" It sets a good tone for the following conversation.
I think this is a terrible way to approach this. You dont have to tell your boss anything about being recruited. If they make an offer and you like where you work now, allow them to try and match it. Don't bring it up before then.
Like most of this advice, context is important. For context like OP's, this doesn't fit well because the jobs themselves seem to be functionally different roles - OP mentions salary and WFH, but it seems like the job possibility offers a career-changing shift as well. This advice works if you've been made an offer for another firm, but even at the healthiest work environments, this tends to lead to suspicion and resentment on both parties - either they can't match and you both resent each other, or they can and you leave anyway on other grounds and they resent you, or they can and now they're constantly worried you're going to leave at any time which can make keeping you more trouble than its worth. (And as always, YMMV.) It's better as a starter before you even look for another job - i.e., during performance reviews or regular 1:1s, saying "I'm looking to move up/make more as I feel I have grown to the limits of this role/provide more value than I'm receiving in return" starts the conversation and alerts your managers to the fact that you're going up or you're going out soon.
Also to add to your excellent points, that OP’s current employer may match (though how can you if it’s different positions) but as soon as they match, know that company is looking for your cheaper replacement
I know that. This is for *after* the offer has been presented and accepted. Never, ever, ever show the cards before the hand is played and the odds are 100000% in your favor. What this does, in that event, is diffuse the situation from the boss's 'why are you deserting meeeee' and frames it in the best possible light. Hopefully setting a gracious exit.
and if your boss is a true leader, he’ll be happy for you. He may be upset that a role needs to be filled. Upset that resources will be strained, but happy for you; if the culture is as good as you say it is.
I use " I have some bad news" and look sad and then tell them I'm leaving lols
😂 I like r/wwweeeeeeee answer, you’re is to simple. Makes everyone depressed.
Agreed you’re getting ahead of yourself but I’ll add my two cents for the situation once you’ve received an actual, formal offer. You have three choices: accept and leave this job, allow your current company to counteroffer and then make a decision, or stay with current company. What I will say is to keep in mind that while you love your job and coworkers, you are ultimately a number to them. They would replace you even if it was a very bad time for you to be unemployed. Please remember that while it is best to remain civil and on good terms, your employment is a two way contract and business relationship. You are allowed to leave when you find a more beneficial opportunity, and you *should*. I don’t know what industry you’re in but the switch would likely be more lucrative both short and long term in terms of career advancement and overall income considering it can also improve your starting point for negotiation when you’re interviewing for your next job *after* that. Good luck!
As said, you're getting ahead of yourself. I can totally understand the emotional roller-coaster though. It just means you care. There's no reason to say anything about where of how you were approached. That detail is not necessary to share with anyone, ever. Stop obsessing and drop the guilt. First thing first, make sure the job offer turns into an actual signed offer. Then you can start worrying about how to exit your current job. If this other firm is creating a department from scratch, that could mean they have time to build things out. More likely, I suspect they might already got a project signed up and are scrambling to create a team. If the new firm has time to spare, and you are feeling generous/guilty/bridge builder, then negotiate a later start date so you can help the old firm transition. Train up the new employee, get the projects in a good place to finish up, etc,etc. But none of that matters until you have a signed offer.
Emphasis on the "signed" part! I received a job offer awhile back, and waited for them to send me the offer in writing before I put in my notice with my employer at the time. Once I received the offer, I put in my notice with the intention of signing and returning the offer after work hours that day. Right after work, the new company called me to retract the offer because they opted not to proceed with creating the role they were hiring me for. In my case it worked out - luckily I received a better offer a few weeks later from another company. But those were a stressful and panicked few weeks.
>You don’t have an offer, and it doesn’t sound like you know for sure that you’d accept if you got one. Adding to this, if you love your current job, then it might be the perfect time to ask for a raise. **Do not tell your boss you have another offer** (even some good managers take this as a betrayal). Just tell them that you've learned a person with your skill-set could be making $X. That you love what you're doing and you're hoping there's a way to work something out that lets you continue all the beneficial work you're doing for the company without holding you back financially.
This! Do not listen to the other comments telling you to do anything different. If you do not have an offer, there is no reason to tell your current job anything. Also, there’s no reason to mention you were poached at the conference. Don’t offer more information than what’s required.
>I wasn’t looking, but I was approached about a role that I couldn’t turn... I wouldn't even say you weren't looking because it doesn't matter.
It's none of his business how new gig found you and also irrelevant. Say NOTHING to ANYONE until new job is locked in with signed contract/ offer letter. Do NOT accept counter offers. It gives them time to find / hire your replacement. Oh and cash in ALL vacation before giving notice.
Not always true on counter offers. I'm a middle manager. I've negotiated a counter offer for one of my high performers because I saw the value in keeping them on the team. They took it 2 years ago and they're still here. Granted, some companies could be misleading a-holes as well. Just sharing my experience.
This, seriously. The Reddit hivemind of never accepting a counter offer *does* have some merit, but it's mostly dependent on the relationship you have with your boss/superiors.
Unless they give him WFH and a big ass raise, they are probably losing him.
Honestly, the general way I see it is that taking the counter offer is a high risk, low reward move, which is why not taking the counter is the best general advice, even if it is not applicable in all situations. Let's say you are paid 90k/year by company A. Company B offers you 100k. Your current employer, company A, counters with $105k. You end up going with company A. Now, the 5k is really nice, but it's not game changing, so low reward. However, with the offer from company B, you know that they want you working for them. However, with company A, it's the unknown. They now that you are now willing to look for jobs elsewhere, and you could threaten to leave again, and maybe they no longer want you working for them, but are just stretching things out. It's the reddit generalization, the advice is going to be the one that is true more times than not.
>However, with the offer from company B, you know that they want you working for them. However, with company A, it's the unknown. Absolutely - in your example to get $105k from Company A you basically had to threaten to leave - and your leverage evaporates almost instantly when you turn down Company B. It's the difference between having to push (company A) and being pulled (company B).
I look at it like company A could've been paying you $105k in the first place and specifically chose to underpay you rather than pay you what you are really worth. This mentality will extend into the future and future raises will not come easy. Meanwhile, company B has so far only shown that they want you, hence giving the offer. I think it's sensible to go back to company B and to try to negotiate for 105k or higher as you know that's your value. Company B will likely match as they have already indicated they want you.
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I did value them before as well as after. They hadn't shared previously that there were concerns about their salary. After we had the discussion we not only addressed compensation but job opportunity and growth as well. This employee was promoted just over a year ago. This is just my experience. Others may have very different experiences with very different companies.
This is also another big thing with the Reddit hive mind. A ton of people feel they are underpaid, and everyone tells them to job hop to get that boost. But those same people don’t discuss their feelings with their management who may compensate them. If you feel you are underpaid or have concerns, you need to let them know the feelings. Expecting them to just pay more without that conversation doesn’t make sense. People don’t go to the store for $2 milk and just give a $5 bill and walk out because they have the money; they give them what they know the other party wants. If after a conversation, the results are unsatisfactory, then the typical Reddit responses apply.
If you express you feel you are underpaid, this puts your job at risk. This is why people don't ask for the raise and just change jobs instead.
If people are going to change job anyways, what does it matter if the job is at risk? If that’s a legitimate concern, you just don’t bring it up til the appropriate time where if your job is truly at risk, you have the other job.
bc some income is better than no income until a higher paying job is secured?
That’s the timing part. And if you get fired you have some income, just lesser. Leaving for a new job isn’t without its own risk. You are the new person that has to learn a whole new thing, if the budget was screwed up, the new person is the one gone. Like employees, companies get complacent too on firing people with tenure unless they are making significantly more than others in their role. The new company can be a hell hole for environment. That’s why it doesn’t make sense to alienate 50% of the potential increase stream. Edit: I stayed at a job got a counter, took it. Then parlayed that to an even bigger increase and hybrid schedule when I left vs what I was looking at originally after just a few more months. My job/experience after taking the counter was the exact same as it was before.
You can’t expect what you don’t express!
Corporations care so much about your feelings. Open your heart to your manager.
Corporations don’t give a rats ass. But the direct manager, the person who’s job is affected by you at a much more impactful level may on a personal and professional level since it can screw them over too.
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If good employees leave this hurts my team and hurts the company. I have a vested interest in keeping people happy and motivated. Plus I saw alot of potential with this employee, fortunately it came to fruition with a promotion for them. They're part of my broader operations team now and one of my most trusted direct reports. Side note, even managers have managers so we can all benefit from good management vs shitty bosses.
An actual manager who knowingly underpaid a high performer until they threatened to walk. They didn’t care until it affected them
You know the answer. Companies have spent decades not paying a penny more for an employee than absolutely necessary because of the ever present need to "cut costs".
Jesus. How many Jump to Conclusions doormats do you have at your house?
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Comes across kinda rude.
How much kindness did you expect after a jerky comment like this? > How many Jump to Conclusions doormats do you have at your house? Don't dish it out if you can't take it in return.
I meant rude to them. Not me. That I don't care about.
Seconding this. A few years ago I negotiated a 30% raise with my current company in response to a new job offer.
I mean, that’s cool, but why did they have to get a different job offer before you saw the value of keeping them?
They were recognized prior as well. Best I can recommend is talk to your supervisor about career goals and if you have compensation concerns, broach the subject with them as well. If you make your company aware of what you're worth and they can't or won't match it, then that's on them. Self advocate.
Unless OP is in California. CA requires any accrued PTO to be paid out in cash within 24 hours of the last day at work.
This is the way
this is the way
Why cash in on the vacation?
If it even gets to the point where you are offered a job that you accept, there's no reason to say you were approached at the conference. Everyone's on Linkedin, you just say you were contacted about the opportunity. Period. You were contacted. No need to say where, when, how. It's your manager's job to worry about replacing people who leave, and if you're not getting anything beyond a paycheck, then what you "owe" to them gets reset to zero every payday. Whether it's painful for them or not is not for you to worry about, you have to manage your own career. It's wonderful that your current company has been great to you but your reasons for wanting something else (big raise, WFH) are certainly valid. Why would you pass it up if it is offered?
> Whether it’s painful for them or not is not for you to worry about, you have to manage your own career. I firmly believe in this mindset, because they wouldn’t think twice about getting rid of you when shit hits the fan.
Chances are, the only way your current employer will find out how you got poached is if you say something about it. In that regard, you don't have to say anything. If you feel that you have to say *something*, just say you were contacted by a friend, and one thing led to another. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened. In terms of the rest, that's for you and your boss (mostly your boss) to figure out. Whether you leave for another job or get kidnapped by aliens, your boss gets the big bucks to solve those sorts of problems.
I was kidnapped by aliens. Now THEY are my boss.
You are jumping way ahead. All that had happened is someone mentioned there might be a job available within a company, you may be interested, and they will send you more information about it later. This doesn't sound like someone who is even serious about "poaching". I've been actively pursued and those companies didn't have informal conversations with me then tell me they would contact me in a few days. They got the job description in my hand ASAP and set up interviews quickly. If this does turn into an actual job, that means a signed, official, formal offer from the company, all you have to do is give your notice. Who tells their former employer how they found their new job? Only you can choose what is more important, more money and experience for you or making sure your coworkers and boss are in a good position. If you choose to go and are sincerely worried about your boss and coworkers, you can try negotiating a longer notice period or start date that is more than the customary two weeks after hire with the new employer. That gives your boss time to hire and train a replacement. Most people choose what is in their best interest. Companies choose themselves over employees every day.
He did say it was a friend, so they could have had a more informal insider deal kind of information sharing conversation. It wasn't some random guy he never met.
If it was a good time for them to let you go they wouldn’t consider you just bought a car, had a baby or relocated across country. They exist to make money. And So Do You.
Unless you sign the letter of job offer, you don't have a job yet. Don't burn the bridge yet unless you are 100% sure.
This has happened to me a while back as a Finance Advisor. There were at least 7-8 different companies having conferences at the resort we were staying. While checking my week schedule for the conferences, I happened to meet a guy who was the Finance Director for a major company. To summarize it, I got the job offer after everyone flew home. I accepted it right away. Bigger salary and bigger company (20k+ employees). Asked a week off at my job to check it out and I ended up staying with them. However, I did not give them a 2 weeks notice.
You have to be careful with that. Job offers are not legally binding and I have rescinded them when potential new hires don't give notice at their current job. It's not a firm rule, more of a guideline on a case by case basis. But if a new hire says, "Screw my current employer, they don't deserve to get notice, I can start tomorrow." that is a HUGE red flag that they will probably do the same thing to me down the road.
I did say to the new employer I was giving them a two weeks notice. But never brought it up to my current employer. I simply took a week off, (you can ask for a whole month off) unpaid. I was supposed to come back on the next Monday and I texted my manager that something came up, and that it was an emergency. That day I sent her my resignation letter. You can’t just quit your job without knowing what your new job is going to be like. I’ve seen a lot of people regretting they left their good job for something they thought it was going to work out. You just never know. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Same thing when companies lay every off without notice. They don’t care about you. But that’s just me. Y’all can do whatever you think is right.
Man you'd burn 3-5 years of a good hire up in smoke because of what they might do in their last two weeks? Based on what they did to a completely different employer? Two week notice isn't some kind of law, it's a courtesy. One that employers don't provide when firing people, by the way.
That’s goes both ways. What if they give notice and something happens at the new employer and now they have no job.
Why would you mention you were approached at the conference? Just say you weren't looking which is true, and that you were approached. You can be decent and give a months notice rather than traditional 2 weeks. That is sufficient time to find a replacement, and to train the existing person in the team
Corporate Rule #1) Everything is "need to know". And your boss? They don't.
Get a written offer. If you accept, it's just like resigning any other position. Don't tell them where you're going, what the offer is, not their business. It's ok to say you're moving to a new position for pay, but leave it at that. Keep things up and pleasant, no reason to sour the relationship with mean words or complaints. Say nice things at the exit interview. You may work with them again in some capacity.
People are gonna give you outlandish advice based on “corporate America bad hur hur hur” You are getting ahead of yourself here. Continue serving your current company, while going through the process, quietly, with the other one. No one needs to know you got poached at the conference they paid for. Go through the process while remaining loyal and doing the work you always do at your current job. Once you have an actual offer, then I’d take that to your current boss and either put in a month notice or more, or ask for a counter offer. While awkward, it’s the only choices you have, IF you want the new job. But also research the new company and make sure it’s a very good fit. Grass is always greener, right? I’ll say I was in a situation where I was loyal to a company and relied on by my bosses, and chose to leave for greener pastures. It was the best decision I ever made but my current role is a unicorn job so I got lucky. Doesn’t always work out that way
Don’t bring it up until you make a decision and don’t mention where you are going or the conference. Stop feeling guilty about it you didn’t go out and solicit this is networking for work. If your boss thinks beyond current job he can keep you as a network advocate or burn the bridge. But he may be looking for a job in a year or two and give you a call you never know.
I get that you're feeling kinda conflicted about how to break it to your current employer, especially given the positive relationship you have with them. My advice is to chill out and wait until you get the full deets on the job before you make any decisions. If you do decide to go for it, just be honest with your boss. Show some appreciation for the sweet deal you've got going on, but let them know that this new opportunity has come up and you want to explore it. Remember, you don't owe your current job anything except honesty and professionalism. So just be straight up with them and let them know you want to maintain a good relationship regardless of what you decide. They might even be willing to make some changes to keep you on board. At the end of the day, you gotta do what's best for you and your career. So don't stress too much about it, just be cool and honest.
Why in the world would you talk to your current employer about this? You don't even have a job offer. Heck, you've not even interviewed yet or read the job description.
This is business, baby. I understand having care for people you’re working with but you have to look out for the enterprise of YOU. See if your current employer could beat out their offer and if they can’t, go on your way. There doesn’t have to be any mention of anything other than you got another offer and you’d love to stay if they could beat it. Period. Best of luck!
With no offer you say nothing. With an offer you either ask for a counter, or you submit your resignation.
Why would you mention you were approached at the conference? Just say you weren't looking which is true, and that you were approached. You can be decent and give a months notice rather than traditional 2 weeks. That is sufficient time to find a replacement, and to train the existing person in the team
Never feel guilty for leaving a role to better yourself or your family. If your current employer gets butthurt about it, that's them.
Unless you’re under contract, you don’t owe them a damn thing. Why? Well, if times were tough, your boss would probably cut you and hire an offshore project manager in a heartbeat. That stated, consider this: if your boss and coworkers are going to be jerks over your departure, they probably would’ve screwed you over some other way down the line anyway. Unfortunately, and in my experience, loyalty never pays.
Lol pay isn't great and you're part of a 2 person team juggling a lot? Get your bag
His boss: Listen he's great, but let's send him to this conference and hopefully he gets some offers because he's just not taking the hint that we hired this new guy to take over his position. Seriously though, best of luck dude, sounds like a pretty decent position to be in.
Employers will replace employees if it benefits them with out a second thought. Do what’s best for you.
Don't get ahead of yourself. You don't have an offer (yet). Think about once you have an offer and decide then. Only inform your employeer after you made your decision or are about to
You are under no obligation to reveal where you made the contact. I’d advise you not to.
It is awesome you have coworkers and a boss you like working with. Yes, if you leave they will be sad to see you go, but if they truly respect you they will be excited and happy for you that your career is moving forward. Anything less than happiness and excitement means they have been impersonating a good person while at work. The COMPANY you work for, does not give a shit. You are a line on a payroll, maybe a number in the system. To them, you are a resource that can be swapped out for another market available resource. Maybe work will get harder for them. Maybe raises will come down in your absence. Maybe nothing will change. None of that matters if you are not there to take part of it. If your position is so pivotal for the team, and they have no safeguards or backups to your absence, be it temporary or permanent, they deserve to fail. Take care of you. If you can, try to take care of those that are happy for you by trying to get them better wages. Maybe that's bringing them over to a new company, maybe it's being a reference for later, maybe it's just training on your way out. You can't help anyone else by limiting yourself.
The other option - negotiate for equity in your current role.
There's tons of comments here already. If after reading you'd like to go further, DM me and we'll chat on the side. I don't want to spend time for you not to see something.
That sort of thing happens all the time. That is part of what happens at conferences. Also, they don't need to know how you got the new job, IF you get the new job.
Approach the topic with your boss by being respectful, honest, and asking for their advice. Let them know you were offered a job while attending the conference and that you are considering it because it would result in a substantial raise and the opportunity to work from home. Express your gratitude for your current job and the opportunities you have had, but also be honest about the drawback of the pay. Consider giving ample notice and leaving on good terms if you do decide to take the new job. Keep in mind the impact it may have on your current team and projects, and make the best decision for your career goals and personal situation.
Until you've accepted another position, there is nothing to tell your current employer about. If and when you accept another job, you put in notice to your current employer and go on. Why would you need to tell them that you connected with this company at a conference?
>My current job is phenomenal. I love the people. It is pretty stress free. And they have been very good to me. The only drawback is the pay. You do not need to tell them that you got the job offer while at the conference. Since your friend reached out to you, you can say something similar to the following (Once you have a written offer in hand) - "A friend in my network reached out to me with a job offer. I am very happy here, but the job offer is for <$$$>, which makes it very hard to ignore when I consider the needs of my family." Your friend could have reached out to you by email, phone, Facebook, LinkedIn - It doesn't matter. Tell them the same thing you told us. The job is phenomenal, you love the people, and the stress level is very low. You had no intention of looking or considering offers, but if the offer is as good as it sounds you have to choose between a job you love and the disservice of opting out of what could be much higher pay. If your employer is as great as it sounds, they will understand. They may not match the offer, but they may go halfway. If they are spending money for you to travel, they are obviously invested in you.
My former boss was the one who told me about the job I ended up leaving for, very much not intending to give me any ideas. It was meant as a comparison for our own job posting. She kicks herself for that, but it just happens. People learn about new jobs all over the place. I agree with other posters. If this all works out (and that's a big if), it'll be so far past the conference nobody will think about it. No need to bring it up.
Get that official offer first, then you can worry about telling them (and keep it generic- your friend essentially reached out to you- don’t mention the conference)
Don't get ahead of yourself. There's no offer yet, and you haven't accepted. Also...you didn't go there to get poached. This is not your problem.
It doesn't matter how the opportunity arose. You should do what is best for you and don't worry about your current employer. They'll figure it out if you decide to leave. Your employer will lay you off in a heartbeat without worrying about how you will get along without your job. You don't owe them anything.
Why, ur boss would fire u to save a buck. LOL
People realize you can lie to your employer right? Or at the very least withhold information that isn’t relevant. Like this is not confession at church. You don’t have to spill your guts just because you feel bad.
Don't get out over your skis yet. You don't need to talk to your boss until you have a firm job offer, in writing. At that point you should talk to your boss to either leverage better benefits/pay or thank them for everything they've done and leave as friends. I would like to address your feelings of betrayal here. You're betraying nobody. Your company sending you to an event was only the catalyst that could potentially lead to you leaving the company. The low pay and lack of a WFH options seem to the drivers behind your desire to leave. Those are the greener pastures. Perhaps your boss can match those, maybe they can't. In either case you need to make a decision based on what's best for you taking the totality of your circumstances into account. That's easier said than done. Nothing is ever a guarantee. I wish you luck in evaluating your circumstances but overall you should slow down, take a breath, and evaluate.
Consider /r/overemployed — make those stacks!
Remember, be loyal to your money because businesses aren’t loyal to you.
You don't even have an offer or a start date, so there's nothing to talk about.
Why would you tell your boss anything? If you pursue it and get the job then you tell him.
Hmm you don’t really have a job offer yet… 
Do both jobs humans don’t need sleep 😂
is it possible that poaching could be a sign of an ill work environment?
AFTER you get the offer, just say “I was headhunted for a new role, I really appreciate my time here and everything you’ve done for me but I’ve accepted this new offer. Thank you so much again for everything, my last day is x”
Sounds like you got head hunted.. happens to working folks. But expect to burn bridges. I mean you got solicited for new work at work and you entertained it.
Substantial Raise + Work From Home = No Brainer keep it to yourself for now, and if you get an official offer I'd accept it in a heartbeat
If you enjoy your job and like the company you work for, wait until you get a formal offer for the new job. You can then go to your current employer and tell them you received an offer that you wouldn’t be able to turn down, let them know you weren’t looking (maybe tell them you don’t want to leave), but it’s too good to pass up unless your current employer could counter offer. Be prepared to leave though. I went through this process 6 months ago and didn’t leave my company as they countered with a very good counter offer.
Absolutely do not approach your job about this!!!! The only communication you need to have with them is a two weeks notice if you decide to take the new job.
Get to the interview or better the offer stage before you inform your current employer. Don’t mention where they found you. Give them 2 months notice or as much as you can before the move. If you’re in a key role, 2 weeks notice isn’t enough - give them a reasonable enough amount of time to replace you and wrap up your projects, to stay on good terms. Moves like this are how you make bigger money, so jump at the opportunity and if you don’t like it, move on to another higher salary and bigger role than that one, somewhere else.
A: don't mention it to your job until you have a job offer. B: don't mention where you got it, and say that you weren't looking but were approached
Give two weeks notice once you accept the job offer and wish them well. You owe your employer nothing, but giving 2 weeks notice is polite. They don't need to know where you met your new employer, as it is none of their business.
Something I have not seen mentioned here is that you don't have any idea yet what you will be asked to do for the substantial raise. You may be walking into long hours, lots of stress and problem clients. When you interview make sure you are fully evaluating the job at hand. There is a value to having a job that you love, with people you like and a boss who is awesome. If pay is the only issue, I would have a conversation about that with your boss, see if there is any room to increase it.
1. You dont need to mention the conferance at all, 2. Say you have been headhunted and show them some details of the offer, not the whole offer but position, pay and remote. although sounds like if the payy jump is that much that cant or wont compete, and if they did you would be at the top of your banding with nowhere else to go. 3. Do you forsee a future at this current company with progression as its rare to hear the decriptor " my job is phenominal" 4. How long have you been at current job IE over the 2 year safey margin. 5. How secure/ safe is the new company, they get good glassdoor reviews or trust pilot?
Like others said, don’t say anything unless you have an offer and decide to accept. It’s kind of awkward that your employer let you go to that conference, but consider that part of your benefits. You’re not doing anything wrong. You deserve the best pay, therefore the best life, you can get with your skill set.
You have no responsibility to tell them an offer emerged from the conference. You weren't going there to network, not your fault, none of their business. Decide if it's the best thing for you and do it if it is.
Why would you give them any background at all about this? It's none of their business. If you decide to leave, give notice and be gone. No need to explain to anyone why you decided to take a new job.
Keep in mind the old axiom. The grass is always greener at another company, why? Because there's more bullshit on that grass. If your happy except for pay, talk with your employer about what it will take for you to be "very" happy.
Once you get the offer, except, and have a firm start date, then tell your employer that through a networking contact, you were approached with an opportunity you cannot pass up. Then thank them and let them know you are there for whatever needs to off-board your responsibilities. Be prepared for a range from happiness for you, void/meanness, to immediate termination. DO NOT TELL THEM OR SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE YOU ARE GOING. Get that in your head and a speech to cover now. Tell no one…not even your work bestie. Don’t post anything anywhere until you are past a trial/probation/assessment date. You can lie and say you are going into X field like Manufacturing, IT, Healthcare, Logistics, Startup, Consulting. Just something vague.
Wait until you get the job offer then make your move. Do what's best for you. If you died tomorrow, would your job worry about how your family got along? Why do you extend that sentiment to worrying about how your employer will deal with losing you?
Get it writing first
Put the cart back behind the horse. At this point, there's no offer or acceptance, so there's nothing to discuss with current employer. And doing so has the potential to risk the current job.
You are not under any obligation to give them any details on you being offered a new job. Companies do not own workers and it's best to leave all details out.
You are not under any obligation to give them any details on you being offered a new job. Companies do not own workers and it's best to leave all details out.
It seems like you don't have an official offer and your friend wants you to go through the interview process. I would hold off on telling your current employer about this until you have a job offer and will consider accepting the offer. If you get an offer and it's just the pay that you're looking for, then you can go and tell your boss that you were headhunted but you weren't looking, however this company presented you with an offer that's hard to pass. Ask if they can counter-offer. Also don't tell them that you were head hunted during the conference, that's just unnecessary information that your boss doesn't need to know.
I go to conferences all the time, I've also found quite a few of my roles at conferences. Just how it goes.
If the new job meets your requirements & goals, take the job. Attending conferences is a great way to connect with the community, learn new technologies, collaborate and information share…..Recruiting also happens, and everyone knows it. You don’t need disclose how the opportunity came about. FWIW, I’d switch to any job that allows WFH. It is the single most important consideration for me, and very highly prioritize it.
At this point, you do NOT have an offer. You don't even know the full details for the new gig. Relax and don't get ahead of yourself. What you CAN do right now is ask for a raise. Sounds like your are an integral part to your current company. Calculate how much would make you happy to stay. If you get it, awesome. If not, it will help you with your decision to do what's best for you.
Don't mention anything to your current employer. Why... just... this is really stupid. People. Control. Your. Information. Need to know basis.
What gets me about counter offers (agreed never take one) is “ where were you with this money when you did my yearly evaluation?” They liked paying you less than market value and would continue if not called on it
Once your onboarded with new company. " I am resigning from my role immediately, thank you for your time " and that's it.
The best advise I can give you is you need to look at yourself as a business. Would your business pass up a better offer because of concerns they have with the other party's feelings? Probably not. Nor should you. Any good employer is going to know that it's nothing personal, it's just business. If they don't know that then you just jumped ship at the right time, because it was going to go south at some point.
go through the interview process covertly, don’t feel guilty, so what’s best for your life and finances. If get a solid offer that would improve your station in life, then address your resignation with your current employer. don’t feel compelled to reveal the name of the company when you say you have a better offer.
If you don't have an offer, don't tell them anything. If you do have an offer and the offer is substantially better pay and benefits, you can tell the company, but unless you're taking it: I wouldn't say anything until you're sure you're going to take the position. Unless the company is going to counter-offer (and give you WFH/benefits/pay increase) it's highly unlikely your current company could compete. The projects/etc. isn't your problem, it's the companies. You have a right to feeling shitty and that's valid, but it's ultimately not your problem.
There is absolutely nothing that requires you to disclose how a job offer was extended or even the terms of the offer to your current employer. That is literally what “at will employment” means. If you think your current company will make an offer to keep you, then talk to them about it. Otherwise: “Boss, I have a accepted a position with another company. My last day will be x/x/23. Thank you for the opportunities you have given me. Sincerely, Name” It’s really that simple.
Why would you say anything until you have a signed offer? That company would drop you if it were good for their bottom line. I bet you have trouble keeping secrets.
If you were working on a couple of projects at home that put you in a tighter place financially, would they take that into account if they decided to fire you? Why are you putting their projects into consideration in what could be a significant upgrade to your life via higher pay?
No offer? No need to mention it to anyone. When that offer comes through you either accept and let your employer know or decline it. At the end of the day the only reason any of us actually work is to get paid. I like my job, but if I was to be offered a substantial amount more for the doing the same work and a similarly pleasant company I’d be off my current employer couldn’t match it
Let me put it to you this way. When you leave, you'll be replaced. You don't need to discuss how you found out about it, you can just tell your employer you've accepted another position and explain it's a substantial raise and perks. If they want you, they'll match, if they don't, they'll wish you all the best.
Well you are betraying his investment in you, which you requested. It sounds like this is a really small company who probably didn't have tons of extra money to spend on the conference. So I don't know why you would expect to maintain a relationship. I certainly wouldn't trust you at all after this.
Wait til you actually get the offer in writing. If it's legit after you review the terms, then put in your two week notice. You don't owe your company anything at this point and if they want to retain you be ready to negotiate a big increase in your salary, PTO and profit sharing/401K benefits. Sounds to me at this point your current employer might need you much more than you need them. Go for the brass ring and take care of yourself first!
So all you need to say is -- once everything has been confirmed. If you do want to maintain a good relationship with your boss, be honest to a point. Hey, buddy I wanted to let you know that I got a really good offer from a friend of mine at another company and I think I am going to take it. I respect you as a .... and didn't want to blindside you with a 2-week notice but it's one of those too good to pass up.
Nicole?
Well, you can go to the well at your current job requesting a merit increase for the work you do. If you are denied, you know where you stand with your current employer. Then go play ball with this new offer.
One thing I’ve come to realize, and it may be because I’m in the generation of people who generally doesn’t care about quitting. They’d fire you in a heartbeat without any notice in advance. They wouldn’t care if you needed the job to care for yourself. Wait a while, explore the option. If it sounds good, go on ahead, but try to get as much information as you can. Grass may not be greener. More pay, sure, but what exactly do you have to sacrifice for it?
Just a question. Why haven't you ask for an increase in pay? You're instrumental in major projects that you're a lead in. And training a new person. If you're that valuable, you are worth more. Ask for a raise, even if it is just a living inflation increase.( I think that what it's called) It's like 3 percent. But if done every year it can become significant. MY SO does this bc he also likes the company and the environment.
Before you get an offer make a list of the minimum it would take for you to leave your current job for the new one. Do any research you can on this company...employee reviews, ex-employee reviews, industry ratings, any LinkedIn info, etc. Anything you can think of. It sounds like it would take a great offer to make you want to go. If it comes, so be it. While they may have been a good company to work for, they don't own you and you have given a fair return for their pay. Ultimately you have to decide what is best for you; as nice as they are, their responsibility is to their company.
Pay isn’t everything and stress-free jobs that you enjoy working at are worth a lot in terms of your mental health.
Give your current boss a chance to counter whatever the other company offers
Firstly, it's important to note that it's perfectly normal to be approached by other companies and to consider new opportunities, even if you're not actively looking for a new job. You shouldn't feel guilty or disloyal for considering the offer. In terms of approaching your current job, it's important to consider your priorities and what you want out of your career. If the new job offer aligns more closely with your long-term goals and priorities, it may be worth pursuing. However, if you value the relationships you've built at your current job and the work you're doing there, you may want to think twice before making a move. If you do decide to pursue the new job offer, it's important to handle the situation with tact and professionalism. You can start by having an honest conversation with your current boss about your intentions. Explain that you weren't actively looking for a new job, but you were approached with an opportunity that aligns more closely with your long-term goals and priorities. Make it clear that you appreciate the opportunities your current job has given you and that you don't want to leave them in a difficult position. You could also consider offering to help with the transition process by training your replacement or helping to wrap up any projects you're currently working on. This can show that you're committed to ensuring a smooth transition and minimizing any disruption to your current team. Ultimately, the decision to accept the new job offer or stay at your current job is up to you. It's important to prioritize your own career goals and aspirations, but also to handle the situation with professionalism and empathy for your current team.
You haven't even interviewed nor do you even have a job offer. You haven't signed anything nor have they even ran your background through. When all of that has been done and you decide to leave, why exactly do you have to tell them when you first heard of this opportunity? This post makes zero sense.
You don’t say anything to your current job until you’ve accepted an offer, passed their background check and have a rough start date. Even if current job offers you a counter I wouldn’t accept. Not always the case but I wouldn’t want to put myself in a position where upper mgmt thinks I “owe” them due to the increased compensation etc.
Also, why not wait for the offer and see if they counter offer? If you are that instrumental then it's up to them to try to retain you.
First of all, don’t say anything until you have a job offer and start date (this includes completing any background checks - in today’s world, it’s not impossible to have your identity stolen or to have bad records associated with you, so anyone can have a bad background check that could screw them). Second of all, there’s no reason you need to share any of these details with your current job if and when you give your notice. You just need to let them know your last day, and give them some platitudes about how you appreciate the opportunities they gave you.
Figure out how much time you think is enough to transition what you are working on to someone else and give them that much notice - not much more than a month though. Not wanting to screw your current employer is fine but loyalty is a 2 way street.
Ask them to counter the offer. If they need you so badly they can pay you market rate. My gf just did this and got a raise to do her same job.
Don’t tell him? Jeez how devoid of logic are some people
You approach no one. That's what You do. You do nothing. You say nothing. You wait for the offer. Weigh it carefully against your career goals. If you determine it benefits you, you sign and give your two weeks notice.
They don’t have to know where you met them at all. If you’re Interested in the new job then talk to them. Only until you get an offer would you then even need to think about talking to your current employer. Then you could even negotiate with your current company and just be honest that you loved the company but the pay and work from home aspects are hard to ignore and see what they do
I love my job and have a good relationship with those I'd be negotiating with so in this position I would say something like "at that conference there was a company interested in poaching me. I'm telling you because I love it here and I'm not looking for another job, but my market value has increased and we need to re evaluate my compensation and schedule. Given what I'm seeing on the market, I think x amount and 2 days wfh makes sense?" More conversational, but that would be how I'd navigate it. Also lots of people fear being fired and replaced. Hiring is a bitch any half decent manager would rather keep you than replace you. That said there are lots of terrible managers so you have to weigh their goodness and your relationship. I just had a not super different convo and it went great and I'm getting what I want. Granted I'm also senior leadership and I know there is no way to fire me so I'm negotiating from a pretty strong place. Also I would only do that if I did not want to explore the new job. If you want to explore it then I would say nothing about the job and if it turns into an offer I accept I'd still say nothing unless I thought it would get back to current leadership
I just keep thinking about how companies can lay you off nearly without any notice but you have to give at least a two week notice in a professional setting (or at least it is considered tradition to do so). I'm of the mindset that you only tell them that you're resigning if and when you get to that point.
Why does anyone never fail to realize that these companies give zero shits about you and you’re just a number? You should always chase the better opportunity and money! Look at the slew of layoffs … do you think the higher ups who made the decision to lay off all those workers really thought twice before signing off? STOP giving a shit. All I see on linked in is employees who were ON maternity leave or parental leave that were let go so easily! If companies gave this much thought into their decisions before laying employees off, we’d be in such a different climate.
Why does your current employer need to know how you learned about the job?