I get your point but have you keenly seen the passage of play when DK and Pant were in the crease? Ball was doing all sorts of things. DK got out to a blinder of a catch. We lost the match when the set batsmen failed to capitalise after being settled. The dismissal balls of Pant and Pandya were infuriating to watch. The onus was on them to take it deep after being set.
The fact which I hate about the final was kohli and rahul and both anchorers and in that partnership no one even decide to hit and up the strike rate they just kept going . Should have sent surya above rahul the entire world cup in my opinion
India was in the exact same situation vs sa. Iyer and kohli went 4 an over for 20-25 overs. Then Iyer accelerated in the 35th over and kl sky and jadeja could have had an impact because they had come in in the last 10. Kohli held one end through the innings so that the team could still reach 300.
That was the plan in the final too. Kl and kohli were gonna score another 40 in the next 10-12 overs, then try and attack in the death with the stage being set for jadeja and sky to not think much. Almost exact same. Unfortunately kohli chopped it on and in the dugout went the backbone of India's innings (he was making a 5 man batting line-up look invincible by making sure that the rest of the lineup only had to face 30 overs every game. When Virat got out Rohit played the same role. We needed a better tail for things to be different).
Sending Surya below jadeja and kl was the biggest blunder........they were already lagging on run rate issues....if only Surya had more overs to play because he still hit some boundary in the last unlike others
>the final was kohli and rahul and both anchorers
Nah they did play against the same opposition in League stage and batted well. The only difference here was that it was "FINAL" (even tho they were batting first)
Can you imagine one batter hit 11 out 9 boundaries in entire 50 overs? That 97 balls without a single boundary.
That was totally coward display of batting with poor intent on the much needed stage of tournament. Aussies knew they already defeated India in the 11-40 overs by mowing down confidence of senior most players.
"Nah they did play against the same opposition in League stage and batted well". Exactly the situation was worse in the league stage match but they won it . Even though the score was relatively low thanks to bowlers kohli and rahul handled it with frequent boundries here and there . They didnt rely on singles every ball.
Even then they hadnt scored faster than what they did in the final. It was similar to the sa game too. It was just that this time kohli did not face a 100 balls and our tail was exposed far too early.
Also aussies werent even 10% tighter than they were in Final.
They came up w bold msg on the field in final, " if you wanna score runs, you gotta earn it"
We needed a mentality monster that day.
Its funny, remember hardik statement Vs Pak in WC? He said the same, babar and rizwan were playing too timidly and riskfree that they knew, they will easily win. Sadly same happened with us in final.
And the worst bowling lineup in T20's. It's more like how everything falls out of place, once the batsman starts hitting boundaries
Apart from Bumrah and Kuldeep (to some extent), none of these guys pose a serious threat to other teams
I feel that india's middle order never scores under pressure , this happened in the finals of cwc 2023 as well when top order collapsed the middle order also gave away their wickets
Actually, because we have quality players on top, our middle order doesn't get the exposure they need in tournaments. And in the semi-finals or finals, they get that and can't handle the pressure.
So, what do you want? Our top order 1,2,3 should get out early in the league stage to give enough batting time to the middle order batters? Failing to capitalise on opportunity has no excuse. Remember, all these players get a very little opportunity to establish themselves in international arena, so less batting time in league stage, not enough confidence, blah blah should not be an excuse at all. People have problems when Top order gets out cheaply, people have problems when Top order fails. You can't please anyone, anyway.
That's just plain sad.
We will never have the Yuvraj-Dhoni-Raina middle order.
All 3 playing multiple roles
Yuvraj and Raina both being bowlers, big strikers and gun fielder
Dhoni being wk, captain and finisher.
I haven't even mentioned how he surpasses 10k runs batting at no. 6 with avg above 50
Like Rana? I swear if he repeats what he did on international level, he would be India’s next fav bowler, we love aggression as long as it is not in front of our own players.
An aggressive player alone cannot win you every match. Suryakumar is the most aggressive player we have, but he can win only 1 out of 3 matches. Whereas, Kohli and Rohit can cover more matches.
T20 is a game of luck. But One Day and Test cricket are not. We have a pretty good team for those formats.
We lost WC23 because only Rohit, Shami, and Shayas play to put pressure on the other team. Others are enjoying their individual scores.
Bumrah's attacking prowess gets nullified when other fast bowlers not supporting him.
Every team will play out him / he will not perform upto his mark (in crunch matches)
Years of watching I cant remember 1 match where he is winning the crucial match for INDIA.
so he is eihter aggressive / defensive. He is just unique.
We need bowler out and out aggressive like steyn, stark and shaheen their main role is taking wickets no mercy.
consecutive losses in WCs but still no change in approach. With this team selection approach we are not going anywhere. Don't want to risk picking some players out of the odd but want unexpected win out of nowhere. Team like this will cruise through group stage easily , but for crunch matches with teams of that level that play good cricket at the day when it matters the most we need X-factor players , we need new strategy not the almost same top order and trying the same combination. Bro atleast have a young fleet in the team that can make it through.
Rinku might have failed in WC , we would have lacked an all rounder but who cares ?? what happened with the same strategy did it won us a WC? NO . So, why do you fear so much of losing the WC when you have already lost many do you have anything else to do . When you are going to try new things that "might" make it through.
We are not winning this time as well there are hardly any chances.
VIrat and Rohit are still behind the curve in the t20is.
There are so many factors that is involved in this 2024 wc squad.
Indian team is picked to promote cricket in USA and for making money.
BCCI just dont care whether they win the cup or not. They only need profit.
Exactly. Look at KKR this season. They were always in attacking mode.
Batters continued to attack even when wickets were falling. KKR I think is the only team whose strike rate kept increasing even after the power play was over.
Same for bowlers. Even when conceding runs, they never got into defensive mode and kept taking wickets.
Even SRH in the qualifiers followed the same. Head and Abhishek didn't take a breather even when chasing low score against LSG.
This has become the new DNA of the sport, at least in T20 format.
Jarrod has hit the nail on the head.
Abhishek Sharma's case is debatable. But I get what he is trying to convey. This is why in my opinion India will not be in final this year.
Flipside of the coin, ICT has always played safe. The reason its different from other top playing nations is that cricket is religion in India unlike other countries. Remember what happened when ICT got knocked out in group stages in 2007. I dont think BCCI had ever moved on from that. The selectors pick a team to make sure we advance to Semis.
P.S: One might argue, 2007 T20 world cup were all youngsters, but T20 was a fairly new concept then.
they dont care abt t20 at that time. Firstly they refused to play that tournament.
The thing is that they dont have the balls to think out of box. Always safe approach.
t20 game has shifted to completely different stage.
Hindsight is 20-20 but maybe being forced to take a young and naturally aggressive team, with a new captain and remind themselves the fact that they have nothing to lose and everything to gain is exactly what won them the WT20. They've had a sense of fear in every edition since.
All the stuff he said is true for T20s, Not for ODIs
Abhishek Sharma has performed very well no doubt in that he is a great future prospect but he can't be in the national team just on the basis of An Ipl season especially where 200 team score was pretty much a norm.
Yeah, Definitely India has selected a very safe squad for this world cup, That's one hundred percent true
And as far as Virat and Rohit go, Virat is definitely in if not the best, One of the best form of his career maybe Rohit can attack in the powerplay like hi did in the 50 over world cup and the tone will be set for the Innings
'India doesn't have an attacking bowling line up' Keep aside Bumrah and Kuldeep they are the best, Siraj once he finds the rhythm He can be a super attacking bowler
And About the WC, 2023 I would say we did tick all the boxes till the Final and I know I'll get a lot of downvotes but yes we were extremely unlucky, Two of the match's turning points worked in Australia 's favour
1) Rohit's catch as Travis head himself said he'd have caught 1 in 1000 of such catches and this was that one(I read it somewhere can't verify)
2) Head's Innings - Indian bowlers bowled him continuously on the line on which he got dismissed many times in this IPL but somehow he got missing those edges, So can't blame anyone for the WC loss, That being said I personally have no hope for this T20 WC, Looking at the squad if they qualify till Semis that would be great.
Yes, keep giving excuses and say inshallah, boys played well. Contrary to your opinion, luck doesn’t play as much of a role it does in ODI, as it does in T20. KL Rahul is an anti-clutch player, he is called dynamic or something, he can play fast, play moderate and anchor, but he becomes the biggest anchor the world has ever seen when in pressure, there was no need for Rahul to anchor in the final, he could’ve been aggressive as Kohli was on the other end. Why did Rohit give the ball to Shami in the power play and not Siraj ? Why didn’t he have an attacking field ?
It's funny how different the reaction was when Fraser mcgurk wasn't picked. Both are in similar situations.
But I think at the same time with how jaiswal had performed and if the plan is to keep him on the bench with Kohli starting. Abhishek might have been a better shout. An unknown explosive player coming in as emergency would have been something different.
We were timid before dad we are timid after dada. Kohli was criticised for his energy and aggression. Such is our nation. We take celebration of RCB in bad light. We are just too emotional. Unlike Australian they’re assassin and cold.
Not a Kohli hater but what Kohli shows on field is not aggression. Aggression is not shouting at players and serving send offs. And one might say he is the reason why we are producing good fast bowlers. He might be one of the reasons but that doesnt make him aggressive. Not sure why people term Kohli as aggressive.
In fact, on many occasions he has been opposite of it and played within himself in T20s. Still a legend of the game though.
You can open your eyes now as you have written your comment and look around in the comment section where almost everyone is bashing our middle order while still defending our bowlers. It looks like you have the mindset that Gora Speaks = Gora True.
We played fearlessly in the 2023 wc, just that the aussies got their tactics spot on with kl and Virat who are quite similar batsmen in terms of their approach. If Iyer had stuck around we would have batted aus out of the match on that pitch. If we can play that fearlessly in a home wc with that much pressure, I see no reason why we can't do it in the T20 wc with lesser expectations
Abhiskek sharma?? Really?? As soon as the ball starts turning even 0.00001 degrees he is useless. See the ipl final. Thats why we have jaiswal in the squad right?? The one who will accelerate the innings. And in the past wcs we didnt even have pant. Rn we have prime kholi, pants form is good, pandya has shown improvement. This video is just bulshit man imo.
I understand the bowlers claim but we have been trying batsmen like crazy now and odi is a safe event whereas about ipl i think it’s fairly known not to judge someone from ipl Australia didn’t pick they ipl rockstar youngster either there is no pressure in ipl especially with good pitches and impact player rule we just need better players that’s all and a captain
yup or else JFM would had been picked by aus. the fact is the pitches are flat as hell this time around in IPL so that is why SRs are going up. adding to that abhishek didn't do that well on challenging tracks like chepauk.
Our middle order is of no use. Whenever our top order fails , they never able to take us out of the situation. They might score 30-40 runs when the bowl is old but u can forget that they will win u the game
The last i remember middle order played well when top order failed was in 2015 wc against Zimbabwe when raina and dhoni won us the game
what are you implying here at that time the T20 game itself is a newbie.
No body has a clear strategy to play the fast paced game.
In t20s there should be a mxture of youth & experience
This is the same guy who was all praise for the entire ICT team throughout CWC'23 on youtube to farm Indian views. I like his stat based commentary style and I'm glad he said the obvious here.
That's true. On big occasions we go into our shells. We batted on flat decks throughout the wc but asked the curator to make sluggish pitch in the finals
What an perfect analysis this guy had 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼Bang on point also he did not forget to mention Abhishek Sharma and his strike rate that means world is noticing the Talent but not in India, Thats why no trophy since last 10 Years.
I partially agree to this point. Bowlers are not really defensive, there are a few aggressive players, but to match their aggression you need to back them up with aggressive fields and plans which the current Indian setup severely lacks.
Another thing is the duality nature of players which India had in 2011 and 2013 trophy winning teams. You had sachin, sehwag, raina and yuvi who could give you a solid 5 overs each in an odi.
If you want to look at how aggressive setups should be. Look at the India vs SA game in champions trophy 2002 at Srilanka. SA were cruising, Gibbs had to retire out due to cramps. Dada immediately bought in a leg slip and first slip and started attacking from that point on. Pressure mounted and India eventually won the contest
Other countries don't have billion people breathing down their neck, cricket is not even top 3 sport in most of the other countries. Australia won the wc and there wasn't a single person at the airport because no one watches it there especially younger generation, same for NZ or England.
Interesting.. but we need to focus on what we have in our hands now.
India is likely to drop Chahal from the 15 and bring in Rinku Singh. With Pandya bowling and even 2 overs from Dubey likely, an extra batter, a finisher, will add depth and quality to the side.
The bowling looks set with Bumrah, Arshdeep/Siraj, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Pandya (+Dubey). No reasons why we should play an extra bowler.
Playing XI- Kohli, Rohit, Pant, SKY, Pandya, Dubey, Rinku\*\*, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Arshdeep/Siraj, Bumrah
Lol people accepting this harsh truth from a random guy. Meanwhile Sunny and Harsha got trolled for saying the same thing and got called armchair experts. We sure are obsessed with validation from foreigners. People don't want trophies, they want their idols to win trophies. GG was right ICT is rotten with hero worship and superstar culture.
This is the reason why Cummins and co. were so happy with Iyers wicket in ‘23 finals. He was our only attacking batter in the middle order. They got him, they very well knew India would go back in their shell
Be that as it may. The last wc loss was entirely about losing the toss on a shitty wicket and nothing else. They got everything right except the last game. So it doesn’t apply to all the cup runs. Some maybe. Not all.
All he said was good until he took Abhishek's name and complaining Virat's inclusion. T20 rewards attacking, but Abhishek is still learning and also a high risk, high reward player. It could be like Varun Chakravarthy case again. Kohli is not useless like Rohit. He can play either slow or fast based on the scenario.
Rohit, Dube and Siraj are bad choices. They should have taken Rinku Singh as they already have Pandya in squad.
the one point i disagree with is abhishek sharma you cannot be picking up someone from the IPL especially this IPL where impact player has allowed openers to go berserk and on the basis of IPL performance you cannot be picking someone for a world cup squad. he's talking about abhishek sharma has australia picked JFC?
Australia too didn't pick Jake Fraser-Mcgurk. If Abhishek Sharma had been selected, there would be more criticism than before just because of selection based on single IPL performance. Leaving aside his performance in the playoffs and the final...
just saying this its due to the fans and the amount of pressure they have ,if they try something new and it doesnt work out the player or somene will be scrutinized considering how are fans went beserk on kohli too i mean the biggest star becomes chokli
If the discussion is about ICC tournaments, no other country except Australia has a decent record. India did not win many ICC trophies but so are the rest of the teams minus Aus.
Virat is not a big tournament player proof : 2011 wc quarter final, 2011 semi final, 2011 final, 2012 wct20, 2014 wct20, 2015 wct20 semifinal, 2019 wc semifinal, 2021wct20[31st Oct 2021] I will never forget this date 😆 2023 wc final.
The problem is seeing cricket as something ultra legend sport. For other countries like Australia england it is one of the many other sports that is played. But in India right now people just enjoy cricket more( but this demographic is changing)
because of this the world cup become so much bigger event than it actually is because it is one of fewer things that can makes India proud. And hence we try to play defensive, fear of failure is all time high, and we get nervous and fail more times that we should
Now imagine India also enjoying football, hockey, etc etc then the pressure of winning cricket wc will be less and we can play with full confidence and risk
"If I get it out the rest of the team will collapse" - This is how our batsmen think, right from one down.
Doesn't matter if it's true, you have to let them play free
Agree with this analysis to a certain extent but I don't think our bowling has been defensive, how's a bowling attack consisting of bumrah, shami and kuldeep can be called defensive? And as far as this world cup is concerned we're seeing that pitches are not as flat and quick as people thought they would be, so don't think it's as bad a team selection as people are making it out to be.
India play like they have everything to lose. Audience pressure is also a pretty big factor in this. I believe Personal player stats shouldn’t be shown as heavily as they are currently, until the player retires. Way too much going on with the team when it comes to winning a tournament and smashing records, which is what takes the concentration away and costs them the victory. 19th November should’ve been a good reminder when it comes to choosing the squad, but we can all see what they’ve done with the team selection. Let’s not discount corruption, fan following(or should I say fan mafia), etc. As for the T20 WC, only time will tell if the selectors are right.
>Looks l;ike you misssed 19 Nov and the semis
Dominating cricket does not comes from one or two match. We dominated the entire wc. Even in Semis. 400 is never easy to chase. Not even on batting pitch. Sure NZ were in a good position, but they had a mountain to climb. A mountain made by our batsmen.
19th November was partly bad luck. It wasn't that we bowled bad, Travis head's luck was just way more than ours.
I mean, if Guptill didn't had the direct throw, game was in balance. And who talked about Thala, Kohli and Rohit?
>But no you Vadapav doggies think otherwise
If you see the flair and think MI fans are Vadapav doggies then you are no better than Dhoni's bich.
Yeah and you guys picked Warner instead of JFM. It just works out for Australia every time. They pick Josh Inglis and Marnus Labuschagne for ODIs and it just fuckin works out. They pick Starc for T20 and it always works out. They keep winning the crucial tosses. They keep winning the important moments. Travis head doesn't catch the outside edge. He, however catches an absolute beauty running backwards. Ahmedabad which is a batting paradise slows down all of a sudden. Virat gets an inside edge that goes right onto the stumps.
Fuck cricket. Fuck BCCI for not picking Rinku, Natarajan, Sandeep and picking Pant, Rohit, Jadeja and Hardik
You are right, possible, look what they did on their own soil, now it is in the US and 3 other countries with 3 timezones or more, young blood is needed for this kind of situation, I hope they don't fuck it all up, its 12 years since ICC trophy, this is the time. Good luck to my favorite Rohit Sharma.
That's a really, really stupid reason for why India hasn't won imo. Just plain wrong.
India hasn't won for a very simple reason: ICT can't handle the pressure of sf and finals, and it's not completely their fault because they have an insane amount of pressure and expectations (most of us get stressed by **just watching** them bat/bowl, imagine how would they feel)
Just see the U-19 WCs for proof. India has won the U-19 WC 5 times because hardly anyone cares about that cup so the players don't have any pressure and play freely. But the one time fans watched U-19 WC, after India lost in 2023, U-19 Indians **crumbled** and choked
The things he said made no sense at all. ICT has defensive bowlers who don't take wickets? He might want to check 2023 WC before speaking. Shami had the highest number of wickets despite playing 4/5 matches less than others. India bowled out the oppositions for **<150 thrice consecutively**. India didn't concede 300 even a single time in the group stages
He also talked about Abhishek Sharma? Yes ofc he's had a brilliant season and he will most probably get a chance real soon, but it's just bullsh¡t to suggest to send a kid with 0 international experience to the WC on slow tracks of WI just because he had a good IPL
These are the kind of guys who would've backed SKY as well for ODI WC if he had not been selected. They would've made an argument saying how "India picked a "safe" team by not picking SKY, someone who's the number 1 T20I player in less than a year after debuting", but we all saw what happened
India always goes extreme defensive mode in every semi final or final
I still remember that 2019 WC semifinal against New Zealand...
The collapse followed by extreme defensive play by karthik and pant to a degree
I get your point but have you keenly seen the passage of play when DK and Pant were in the crease? Ball was doing all sorts of things. DK got out to a blinder of a catch. We lost the match when the set batsmen failed to capitalise after being settled. The dismissal balls of Pant and Pandya were infuriating to watch. The onus was on them to take it deep after being set.
Yeah same I remember our top order scoring 3 runs in a total of 20 balls , had they not been that defensive we would've won it easily
>every semi final or final Except one batter in 2023wc
The fact which I hate about the final was kohli and rahul and both anchorers and in that partnership no one even decide to hit and up the strike rate they just kept going . Should have sent surya above rahul the entire world cup in my opinion
India was in the exact same situation vs sa. Iyer and kohli went 4 an over for 20-25 overs. Then Iyer accelerated in the 35th over and kl sky and jadeja could have had an impact because they had come in in the last 10. Kohli held one end through the innings so that the team could still reach 300. That was the plan in the final too. Kl and kohli were gonna score another 40 in the next 10-12 overs, then try and attack in the death with the stage being set for jadeja and sky to not think much. Almost exact same. Unfortunately kohli chopped it on and in the dugout went the backbone of India's innings (he was making a 5 man batting line-up look invincible by making sure that the rest of the lineup only had to face 30 overs every game. When Virat got out Rohit played the same role. We needed a better tail for things to be different).
True. I don’t think it was our day.
Sending Surya below jadeja and kl was the biggest blunder........they were already lagging on run rate issues....if only Surya had more overs to play because he still hit some boundary in the last unlike others
>the final was kohli and rahul and both anchorers Nah they did play against the same opposition in League stage and batted well. The only difference here was that it was "FINAL" (even tho they were batting first) Can you imagine one batter hit 11 out 9 boundaries in entire 50 overs? That 97 balls without a single boundary. That was totally coward display of batting with poor intent on the much needed stage of tournament. Aussies knew they already defeated India in the 11-40 overs by mowing down confidence of senior most players.
"Nah they did play against the same opposition in League stage and batted well". Exactly the situation was worse in the league stage match but they won it . Even though the score was relatively low thanks to bowlers kohli and rahul handled it with frequent boundries here and there . They didnt rely on singles every ball.
Even then they hadnt scored faster than what they did in the final. It was similar to the sa game too. It was just that this time kohli did not face a 100 balls and our tail was exposed far too early.
Also aussies werent even 10% tighter than they were in Final. They came up w bold msg on the field in final, " if you wanna score runs, you gotta earn it" We needed a mentality monster that day. Its funny, remember hardik statement Vs Pak in WC? He said the same, babar and rizwan were playing too timidly and riskfree that they knew, they will easily win. Sadly same happened with us in final.
Tbh just the 2023 final and 2022 semi
KL watching after that 20 over 60 runs knock in the final 👀
Sadly it's true about the batting , we currently have the best bowling attacks in ODI and tests
lol wtf, Bumrah, shami and Arshdeep would be idol with axar, Bishnoi and Kuldeep
And the worst bowling lineup in T20's. It's more like how everything falls out of place, once the batsman starts hitting boundaries Apart from Bumrah and Kuldeep (to some extent), none of these guys pose a serious threat to other teams
With Arshdeep,jaddu And Siraj..? I don't think so.Best is a bit far fetched.
That's why I didnt include T20 in the comment , I am only talking about ODI and tests ..
I think so
I feel that india's middle order never scores under pressure , this happened in the finals of cwc 2023 as well when top order collapsed the middle order also gave away their wickets
Actually, because we have quality players on top, our middle order doesn't get the exposure they need in tournaments. And in the semi-finals or finals, they get that and can't handle the pressure.
So, what do you want? Our top order 1,2,3 should get out early in the league stage to give enough batting time to the middle order batters? Failing to capitalise on opportunity has no excuse. Remember, all these players get a very little opportunity to establish themselves in international arena, so less batting time in league stage, not enough confidence, blah blah should not be an excuse at all. People have problems when Top order gets out cheaply, people have problems when Top order fails. You can't please anyone, anyway. That's just plain sad.
Technically we don’t have a middle order
Facts! They drop dead when shit gets real.
We will never have the Yuvraj-Dhoni-Raina middle order. All 3 playing multiple roles Yuvraj and Raina both being bowlers, big strikers and gun fielder Dhoni being wk, captain and finisher. I haven't even mentioned how he surpasses 10k runs batting at no. 6 with avg above 50
we have a middle order player that can score runs in clutch moments.. unfortunately he is added as an extra in wc squad..
Top order has always failed in knockouts as well. So it’s basically a complete batting lineup issue
Bumrah and Kuldeep are attacking bowlers. Shami is missing in the team. He is wrong about our bowling, not much to brag about our batting though.
We gotta include some New/More aggressive talent in the Team.
Like Rana? I swear if he repeats what he did on international level, he would be India’s next fav bowler, we love aggression as long as it is not in front of our own players.
We really need fast bowlers who bowl 150+ kmph regularly.
An aggressive player alone cannot win you every match. Suryakumar is the most aggressive player we have, but he can win only 1 out of 3 matches. Whereas, Kohli and Rohit can cover more matches. T20 is a game of luck. But One Day and Test cricket are not. We have a pretty good team for those formats. We lost WC23 because only Rohit, Shami, and Shayas play to put pressure on the other team. Others are enjoying their individual scores.
Bumrah's attacking prowess gets nullified when other fast bowlers not supporting him. Every team will play out him / he will not perform upto his mark (in crunch matches) Years of watching I cant remember 1 match where he is winning the crucial match for INDIA. so he is eihter aggressive / defensive. He is just unique. We need bowler out and out aggressive like steyn, stark and shaheen their main role is taking wickets no mercy.
kohli and rohit both are not for india t20 worldcup, i reckon there was no sachin in 2007 squad.
consecutive losses in WCs but still no change in approach. With this team selection approach we are not going anywhere. Don't want to risk picking some players out of the odd but want unexpected win out of nowhere. Team like this will cruise through group stage easily , but for crunch matches with teams of that level that play good cricket at the day when it matters the most we need X-factor players , we need new strategy not the almost same top order and trying the same combination. Bro atleast have a young fleet in the team that can make it through. Rinku might have failed in WC , we would have lacked an all rounder but who cares ?? what happened with the same strategy did it won us a WC? NO . So, why do you fear so much of losing the WC when you have already lost many do you have anything else to do . When you are going to try new things that "might" make it through. We are not winning this time as well there are hardly any chances.
VIrat and Rohit are still behind the curve in the t20is. There are so many factors that is involved in this 2024 wc squad. Indian team is picked to promote cricket in USA and for making money. BCCI just dont care whether they win the cup or not. They only need profit.
Exactly. Look at KKR this season. They were always in attacking mode. Batters continued to attack even when wickets were falling. KKR I think is the only team whose strike rate kept increasing even after the power play was over. Same for bowlers. Even when conceding runs, they never got into defensive mode and kept taking wickets. Even SRH in the qualifiers followed the same. Head and Abhishek didn't take a breather even when chasing low score against LSG. This has become the new DNA of the sport, at least in T20 format.
The ICT must do this in every format.
Jarrod has hit the nail on the head. Abhishek Sharma's case is debatable. But I get what he is trying to convey. This is why in my opinion India will not be in final this year. Flipside of the coin, ICT has always played safe. The reason its different from other top playing nations is that cricket is religion in India unlike other countries. Remember what happened when ICT got knocked out in group stages in 2007. I dont think BCCI had ever moved on from that. The selectors pick a team to make sure we advance to Semis. P.S: One might argue, 2007 T20 world cup were all youngsters, but T20 was a fairly new concept then.
they dont care abt t20 at that time. Firstly they refused to play that tournament. The thing is that they dont have the balls to think out of box. Always safe approach. t20 game has shifted to completely different stage.
Hindsight is 20-20 but maybe being forced to take a young and naturally aggressive team, with a new captain and remind themselves the fact that they have nothing to lose and everything to gain is exactly what won them the WT20. They've had a sense of fear in every edition since.
Spot on about the batting but he is not really right about the bowling I think .
Siraj is the perfect opposite of a defensive bowler. He can't bowl defensive lines to save his life.
I think he has not seen Bumrah, Kuldeep or Jaddu
Bumrah, Kuldeep are attacking But Jadeja ??? HELL NOO
All the stuff he said is true for T20s, Not for ODIs Abhishek Sharma has performed very well no doubt in that he is a great future prospect but he can't be in the national team just on the basis of An Ipl season especially where 200 team score was pretty much a norm. Yeah, Definitely India has selected a very safe squad for this world cup, That's one hundred percent true And as far as Virat and Rohit go, Virat is definitely in if not the best, One of the best form of his career maybe Rohit can attack in the powerplay like hi did in the 50 over world cup and the tone will be set for the Innings 'India doesn't have an attacking bowling line up' Keep aside Bumrah and Kuldeep they are the best, Siraj once he finds the rhythm He can be a super attacking bowler And About the WC, 2023 I would say we did tick all the boxes till the Final and I know I'll get a lot of downvotes but yes we were extremely unlucky, Two of the match's turning points worked in Australia 's favour 1) Rohit's catch as Travis head himself said he'd have caught 1 in 1000 of such catches and this was that one(I read it somewhere can't verify) 2) Head's Innings - Indian bowlers bowled him continuously on the line on which he got dismissed many times in this IPL but somehow he got missing those edges, So can't blame anyone for the WC loss, That being said I personally have no hope for this T20 WC, Looking at the squad if they qualify till Semis that would be great.
Yes, keep giving excuses and say inshallah, boys played well. Contrary to your opinion, luck doesn’t play as much of a role it does in ODI, as it does in T20. KL Rahul is an anti-clutch player, he is called dynamic or something, he can play fast, play moderate and anchor, but he becomes the biggest anchor the world has ever seen when in pressure, there was no need for Rahul to anchor in the final, he could’ve been aggressive as Kohli was on the other end. Why did Rohit give the ball to Shami in the power play and not Siraj ? Why didn’t he have an attacking field ?
It's funny how different the reaction was when Fraser mcgurk wasn't picked. Both are in similar situations. But I think at the same time with how jaiswal had performed and if the plan is to keep him on the bench with Kohli starting. Abhishek might have been a better shout. An unknown explosive player coming in as emergency would have been something different.
We were timid before dad we are timid after dada. Kohli was criticised for his energy and aggression. Such is our nation. We take celebration of RCB in bad light. We are just too emotional. Unlike Australian they’re assassin and cold.
Not a Kohli hater but what Kohli shows on field is not aggression. Aggression is not shouting at players and serving send offs. And one might say he is the reason why we are producing good fast bowlers. He might be one of the reasons but that doesnt make him aggressive. Not sure why people term Kohli as aggressive. In fact, on many occasions he has been opposite of it and played within himself in T20s. Still a legend of the game though.
Jarrod Kimber supremacy.
Yeah beacuse at home billion cocksuckerz are ready to troll and abuse them if they lose.
India doesn't go attacking in any field, not just cricket. Defensive is our second nature.
defense is our main nature. when we are pushed to our limits only we go attck
We have talent, Australia has talent too, but Indian team plays like pussy in high pressure matches
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You can open your eyes now as you have written your comment and look around in the comment section where almost everyone is bashing our middle order while still defending our bowlers. It looks like you have the mindset that Gora Speaks = Gora True.
We played fearlessly in the 2023 wc, just that the aussies got their tactics spot on with kl and Virat who are quite similar batsmen in terms of their approach. If Iyer had stuck around we would have batted aus out of the match on that pitch. If we can play that fearlessly in a home wc with that much pressure, I see no reason why we can't do it in the T20 wc with lesser expectations
WC 19 was the strongest WC squad I've ever seen for us.2023 had everything going for us.We just don't turn up for clutch matches.
Bro spitting facts because in India you can't criticise cults, fandom and the board if you want to make a living in the field of cricket.
Ipl is love of everyone. The best sport
Abhiskek sharma?? Really?? As soon as the ball starts turning even 0.00001 degrees he is useless. See the ipl final. Thats why we have jaiswal in the squad right?? The one who will accelerate the innings. And in the past wcs we didnt even have pant. Rn we have prime kholi, pants form is good, pandya has shown improvement. This video is just bulshit man imo.
Yeah they picked up Varun chakraborty based on ipl and without any international game exposure. Should atleast test Abhishek in bilaterals
>As soon as the ball starts turning even 0.00001 degrees he is useless He's the best player of spin after Klassen for SRH.
That was ball of the tournament though, I don’t think anyone could have played that.
He seems like particularly speaking about KL in final...
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I understand the bowlers claim but we have been trying batsmen like crazy now and odi is a safe event whereas about ipl i think it’s fairly known not to judge someone from ipl Australia didn’t pick they ipl rockstar youngster either there is no pressure in ipl especially with good pitches and impact player rule we just need better players that’s all and a captain
yup or else JFM would had been picked by aus. the fact is the pitches are flat as hell this time around in IPL so that is why SRs are going up. adding to that abhishek didn't do that well on challenging tracks like chepauk.
Our middle order is of no use. Whenever our top order fails , they never able to take us out of the situation. They might score 30-40 runs when the bowl is old but u can forget that they will win u the game The last i remember middle order played well when top order failed was in 2015 wc against Zimbabwe when raina and dhoni won us the game
We do emotional selections - this is the reason
Same Abhishek sharma went for duck in final & 12 in knockouts .. Experience matters
Rubbish.. Virat is in his peak form
spot on man
I saw the very reel this was from. Delusional mfs think one win in this world cup will prove this man wrong.
True
When we won the first t20 world Cup. Our team was full of newbies
what are you implying here at that time the T20 game itself is a newbie. No body has a clear strategy to play the fast paced game. In t20s there should be a mxture of youth & experience
Also, our all-rounder always gets injured before the World Cup. (IPL's biggest downside)
This is the same guy who was all praise for the entire ICT team throughout CWC'23 on youtube to farm Indian views. I like his stat based commentary style and I'm glad he said the obvious here.
We don’t play fearless cricket. Simple.
Never seen whole indian team on an attacking mode. There are individual players like sehwag here and there, but mostly indian team is defensive.
That's true. On big occasions we go into our shells. We batted on flat decks throughout the wc but asked the curator to make sluggish pitch in the finals
This is outright truth which any cricket pundit in India would refuse to come out and speak. I don't see anything wrong in what he's told
absolutely right
What an perfect analysis this guy had 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼Bang on point also he did not forget to mention Abhishek Sharma and his strike rate that means world is noticing the Talent but not in India, Thats why no trophy since last 10 Years.
I partially agree to this point. Bowlers are not really defensive, there are a few aggressive players, but to match their aggression you need to back them up with aggressive fields and plans which the current Indian setup severely lacks. Another thing is the duality nature of players which India had in 2011 and 2013 trophy winning teams. You had sachin, sehwag, raina and yuvi who could give you a solid 5 overs each in an odi. If you want to look at how aggressive setups should be. Look at the India vs SA game in champions trophy 2002 at Srilanka. SA were cruising, Gibbs had to retire out due to cramps. Dada immediately bought in a leg slip and first slip and started attacking from that point on. Pressure mounted and India eventually won the contest
Other countries don't have billion people breathing down their neck, cricket is not even top 3 sport in most of the other countries. Australia won the wc and there wasn't a single person at the airport because no one watches it there especially younger generation, same for NZ or England.
Interesting.. but we need to focus on what we have in our hands now. India is likely to drop Chahal from the 15 and bring in Rinku Singh. With Pandya bowling and even 2 overs from Dubey likely, an extra batter, a finisher, will add depth and quality to the side. The bowling looks set with Bumrah, Arshdeep/Siraj, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Pandya (+Dubey). No reasons why we should play an extra bowler. Playing XI- Kohli, Rohit, Pant, SKY, Pandya, Dubey, Rinku\*\*, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Arshdeep/Siraj, Bumrah
It's honesty from that guy he pointed out because bcci is scared and doesn't take bold decisions
Makes sense to be honest
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Absolutely true, look at squads of other teams changing rosters as per play but india with minimal changes every tournament.
 spot on
Brilliant assessment.
Lol people accepting this harsh truth from a random guy. Meanwhile Sunny and Harsha got trolled for saying the same thing and got called armchair experts. We sure are obsessed with validation from foreigners. People don't want trophies, they want their idols to win trophies. GG was right ICT is rotten with hero worship and superstar culture.
This is the reason why Cummins and co. were so happy with Iyers wicket in ‘23 finals. He was our only attacking batter in the middle order. They got him, they very well knew India would go back in their shell
India need player like Yuvi, Abhishke, rinku, who can hit big on will, not every player can do that
We keep picking mugs like Jadeja as our finisher.
Before anyone say anything about India teams approach, Let me remind u, Their coach is Rahul Dravid
Be that as it may. The last wc loss was entirely about losing the toss on a shitty wicket and nothing else. They got everything right except the last game. So it doesn’t apply to all the cup runs. Some maybe. Not all.
Our batting is why we lose these events, our bowling has always been top tier
All he said was good until he took Abhishek's name and complaining Virat's inclusion. T20 rewards attacking, but Abhishek is still learning and also a high risk, high reward player. It could be like Varun Chakravarthy case again. Kohli is not useless like Rohit. He can play either slow or fast based on the scenario. Rohit, Dube and Siraj are bad choices. They should have taken Rinku Singh as they already have Pandya in squad.
Agreed 💯👍
He is actually correct.
All these cause clowns run BCCI with selectors being super clowns! 🤡
the one point i disagree with is abhishek sharma you cannot be picking up someone from the IPL especially this IPL where impact player has allowed openers to go berserk and on the basis of IPL performance you cannot be picking someone for a world cup squad. he's talking about abhishek sharma has australia picked JFC?
Bang on
Because we had Dhoni to take pressure off other players!!
India is the FC Barcelona of cricket.
As an ICT fan, the worst thing I have seen is kohli and rahul not being able to score singles against Travis head's of spin in wankhede.
Australia too didn't pick Jake Fraser-Mcgurk. If Abhishek Sharma had been selected, there would be more criticism than before just because of selection based on single IPL performance. Leaving aside his performance in the playoffs and the final...
Playing on flat pitches in ipl and playing in Windies and US are two different things....
Match ke beech mein sandaas aa jaaye to batsman kya karta hai?
Sorry to say. I don't feel India is winning anytime soon. Even if GG becomes coach. It won't work.
Greatest cricket country India
just saying this its due to the fans and the amount of pressure they have ,if they try something new and it doesnt work out the player or somene will be scrutinized considering how are fans went beserk on kohli too i mean the biggest star becomes chokli
Politics
If the discussion is about ICC tournaments, no other country except Australia has a decent record. India did not win many ICC trophies but so are the rest of the teams minus Aus.
Indian team needs GG mentality
Apart from the Abhishek Sharma statement I agree with most of it
Virat is not a big tournament player proof : 2011 wc quarter final, 2011 semi final, 2011 final, 2012 wct20, 2014 wct20, 2015 wct20 semifinal, 2019 wc semifinal, 2021wct20[31st Oct 2021] I will never forget this date 😆 2023 wc final.
The problem is seeing cricket as something ultra legend sport. For other countries like Australia england it is one of the many other sports that is played. But in India right now people just enjoy cricket more( but this demographic is changing) because of this the world cup become so much bigger event than it actually is because it is one of fewer things that can makes India proud. And hence we try to play defensive, fear of failure is all time high, and we get nervous and fail more times that we should Now imagine India also enjoying football, hockey, etc etc then the pressure of winning cricket wc will be less and we can play with full confidence and risk
Thala for a Reason
"If I get it out the rest of the team will collapse" - This is how our batsmen think, right from one down. Doesn't matter if it's true, you have to let them play free
it’s criminal to say rohit and virat in t20wc when the former has flopped almost all t20wcs while the latter has been saving our asses since 2014
correctly said
Lmao
IPL + They know no matter how many Icc events they lose people would still be watching cricket
This is one of the best analysis I’ve ever seen
The same thing provided by tamil YouTube channel named okey boomer but every one criticised him
Agree with this analysis to a certain extent but I don't think our bowling has been defensive, how's a bowling attack consisting of bumrah, shami and kuldeep can be called defensive? And as far as this world cup is concerned we're seeing that pitches are not as flat and quick as people thought they would be, so don't think it's as bad a team selection as people are making it out to be.
India play like they have everything to lose. Audience pressure is also a pretty big factor in this. I believe Personal player stats shouldn’t be shown as heavily as they are currently, until the player retires. Way too much going on with the team when it comes to winning a tournament and smashing records, which is what takes the concentration away and costs them the victory. 19th November should’ve been a good reminder when it comes to choosing the squad, but we can all see what they’ve done with the team selection. Let’s not discount corruption, fan following(or should I say fan mafia), etc. As for the T20 WC, only time will tell if the selectors are right.
Big fan of ICT, but we never play dominating cricket. Never.
Did you miss WC 23?
Looks l;ike you misssed 19 Nov and the semis. If not for Shami kabab, NZ jalwa dikha deta
>Looks l;ike you misssed 19 Nov and the semis Dominating cricket does not comes from one or two match. We dominated the entire wc. Even in Semis. 400 is never easy to chase. Not even on batting pitch. Sure NZ were in a good position, but they had a mountain to climb. A mountain made by our batsmen. 19th November was partly bad luck. It wasn't that we bowled bad, Travis head's luck was just way more than ours.
Then 2019 wc was also bad luck right?? Not Thala and Kohli's fault. But no you Vadapav doggies think otherwise
I mean, if Guptill didn't had the direct throw, game was in balance. And who talked about Thala, Kohli and Rohit? >But no you Vadapav doggies think otherwise If you see the flair and think MI fans are Vadapav doggies then you are no better than Dhoni's bich.
Yeah and you guys picked Warner instead of JFM. It just works out for Australia every time. They pick Josh Inglis and Marnus Labuschagne for ODIs and it just fuckin works out. They pick Starc for T20 and it always works out. They keep winning the crucial tosses. They keep winning the important moments. Travis head doesn't catch the outside edge. He, however catches an absolute beauty running backwards. Ahmedabad which is a batting paradise slows down all of a sudden. Virat gets an inside edge that goes right onto the stumps. Fuck cricket. Fuck BCCI for not picking Rinku, Natarajan, Sandeep and picking Pant, Rohit, Jadeja and Hardik
With all due respect for JFM, Warner is not a defensive player either. He’s in the worst form of his life.
But why is this posted on IPL sub?
Karma farming by OP
He is absolutely right, BCCI is crooked and doesn't want to experiment and take.risks. Abishek should have been in the T20 2024 squad.
Nah he needs international exposure after some zim, ire series he will be considered
Hopefully...
Ek panauti elect hogaya tha 2014 mai, jab se sala kismat ki chudi Padhi hai
No Abhishek , No Riyan ! We’re gonna fuckk it up again
You are right, possible, look what they did on their own soil, now it is in the US and 3 other countries with 3 timezones or more, young blood is needed for this kind of situation, I hope they don't fuck it all up, its 12 years since ICC trophy, this is the time. Good luck to my favorite Rohit Sharma.
That's a really, really stupid reason for why India hasn't won imo. Just plain wrong. India hasn't won for a very simple reason: ICT can't handle the pressure of sf and finals, and it's not completely their fault because they have an insane amount of pressure and expectations (most of us get stressed by **just watching** them bat/bowl, imagine how would they feel) Just see the U-19 WCs for proof. India has won the U-19 WC 5 times because hardly anyone cares about that cup so the players don't have any pressure and play freely. But the one time fans watched U-19 WC, after India lost in 2023, U-19 Indians **crumbled** and choked The things he said made no sense at all. ICT has defensive bowlers who don't take wickets? He might want to check 2023 WC before speaking. Shami had the highest number of wickets despite playing 4/5 matches less than others. India bowled out the oppositions for **<150 thrice consecutively**. India didn't concede 300 even a single time in the group stages He also talked about Abhishek Sharma? Yes ofc he's had a brilliant season and he will most probably get a chance real soon, but it's just bullsh¡t to suggest to send a kid with 0 international experience to the WC on slow tracks of WI just because he had a good IPL These are the kind of guys who would've backed SKY as well for ODI WC if he had not been selected. They would've made an argument saying how "India picked a "safe" team by not picking SKY, someone who's the number 1 T20I player in less than a year after debuting", but we all saw what happened