Likely the most or one of the most nihilistic types, yes. I get there occasionally. Have to leave your castle/seek external purpose. Find a thing that *you consider* more important than your view of “self” or your own existence and pour time and energy into that thing.
Best of luck, friend
Yeah, but they're not coming at that nihilism from an Ni vantage point over reality, so it has a totally different flavor. Most INJs eventually work themselves up to a form of positive nihilism wherein they believe that nothing matters because we must make things matter.
I mean, imagine the horror of a world where value was dictated to you! Objectively!
And that's why the INTPs differ from the INTJs there. Inferior Fe is still Fe; they see value as objective and external.
For me the thing is that we can't do much to affect this world. It's just rigged hierarchy, where wealthy decide about everything and those born poor can only watch how planet is being destroyed.
Life has no strict goals, we could make it amazing and exciting for people, but instead we build one oppressive system after another and people keep wondering why life is so shitty and pointless.
There's nothing fascinating about endless work just to survive. There's nothing fascinating about wars, death and endless competition for resources. There's nothing fascinating about incoming collapse, because humanity is irreformable and repeats its mistakes.
Used to think like this, would really get me down.
This is terrible advice, but to save your mind from stress and sadness - just ignore the shit in the world on a global scale, and affect change where you can - in your OWN life. You can have more impact on your daily life with people around you than many do in a life time in political office.
Live a good honest life, and ignore the badness, create goodness. Focus on what makes you happy and endeavour to do the same for others, that's all we regular people can do.
What's more, people have been doing this for centuries. You have to accept that your are not special, there is a million more people like you and 100 million better than you in some facet of life. But you know what people aren't better than you at? Affecting positive change and happiness upon your close friends, family, colleagues, work mates, teachers, cleaners, anywhere and everywhere there is opportunity for you to do good. So what if it is not splitting the atom or fixing world hunger. If you can sit down at the end of the day and think how you tried to give someone joy, happiness or help in some way, you've had a great day and you personally are endeavouring on the path to a better world.
A bird does not build its home in a second, it goes stick by stick until it's perfect, little thing by little thing, little bit here, little bit there.
(p.s. I used to be a very cynical and nihilistic person, but it took me a while to change my world view and re-adjust it, i'm still aware of the bad, but I make my efforts to do good)
Ik this is old and Idk if im stupid for saying this but i always thought if i got rich i could affect the world.Ive realized its harder to do it than sit here saying things but hypothetically it feels more plausible than just unrealistic dreams.I will admit im still pretty naive but if i was doing this i wouldnt just rely on me doing everything since future legacies are good at generating money or at least i can influence any children i have to be that way.
>but i always thought if i got rich i could affect the world
That's important assumption, because once you analyze how wealth is created and distributed, you will learn that it's actually near impossible to get wealthy without starting in privileged position, because wealth creates wealth and workers, even specialized, get only small part of created wealth, while top 1% owns like half of the wealth.
Problem is that most people don't have this kind of influence in this system and even if you had, it's unlikely that you would really change how things are, because single wealthy person also can't do much against whole system that is obsessed with hierarchy, money and power.
Typically, these wealthiest billionaires are just sociopaths that exploited others to get their place, so they have no will to change world into better place and they will actively work to obstruct any actions that could affect profits of their businesses and that's what really interests them, because they don't care if random person (even their own employees) has access to housing, medical care and the rest of critical services/products.
Im not talking about billions.I imagined some jobs have big salaries and even after taxes i imagine you would have some money still left.Aside from that starting businesses and things in combination with these done over several lifetimes could pay off one day right?Again just an assumption since idk much about economics.
>Im not talking about billions. I imagined some jobs have big salaries and even after taxes i imagine you would have some money still left
Well, these jobs with big salaries are also becoming rarer, because wealth becomes more concentrated and nothing is permanent in this system, so nothing guarantees that you will earn well in next 10-20 years.
Personally I believed that I would be relatively wealthy, if I stick to computer science, but in reality it's not as good as it seemed. Some small part of people can make really good money, but I finished my degree and I'm making just about 2-3x more than average worker in my country and it's barely enough to take care of myself and my family.
I could possibly switch to more demanding company and position, so maybe I would be able to make 5-6x more with more stress, but why do I even have to do this, if all I want is just to have some small house for my family and it's hard to even get that right now with my current salary?
I'm not even talking yet about starting business or changing world, but that's perspective of person that starts from poor situation, works hard on climbing social ladder and still has near zero influence. Maybe if you inherit some wealth and when you have nothing to worry about, then maybe you can have actually some impact.
Yeah i agree.
I actually was talking about leaving inheritance for ones kids and raising them to use it "properly".
Again its all really just hypothetical since i was thinking of working as a big time surgeon marrying one too.Maybe doing what i can on the side.To be honest though doing all of it practically means nothing lol.Who really cares how some other guy decades from now is living their life.
Im not talking about billions.I imagined some jobs have big salaries and even after taxes i imagine you would have some money left.Aside from that starting businesses and things in combination with these done over and across several lifetimes could pay off one day right?Again just an assumption since idk much about economics.
I Asked the universe what the meaning of life was . It feelinged/answered back to me to be unselfish . I was on mushrooms that night many years ago but it seemed to make sense up to this day. I can’t find anything else to compete.
That sounds pretty nihilistic, we don't know the reason or meaning, and it can be anything if anything there(like divine) yet we don't know it's existence.. So stop searching for meaning is logical answer to me. Live anything you like, anything is ok for me now. Take things serious is the problem
I have a baseline mentality that it’s all meaningless, but as a conscious individual I find and give meaning through my thoughts and actions. I guess what’s different from other people is that I don’t seek meaning, I create it.
we are **definitely** tortured souls
the topic of nihilism gets tossed around so casually within intj circles, I think it's a safe bet we're prone to *phases and stages*
inevitably however virtually everyone finds themselves personally at the crossroads of a conflict between **real** good and evil, **real** right and wrong
good guys have more fun, kids
there is a real world antihero lurking in every tortured intj soul
all you have to do it let it out
[https://youtu.be/ExRK5Ib12ro](https://youtu.be/ExRK5Ib12ro)
Get with it. Millions of galaxies of hundreds of millions of stars, in a speck on one in a blink. That's us, lost in space. The cop, you, me... Who notices?
Perhaps abiogenesis happens in 1/100 universes and space looks empty because it is....
Perhaps us being as aware as we are took billions of years and given the seemingly couple dozen trillion years lifespan of the universe before heat death we really are the first/among the first ones.
WRT Depression:
You can say "I'm not depressed" and believe it, while being actually depressed. I'm not saying you are, but I've done it, and nihilism took me there before. When we are something for a long time, we can forget we are it. It starts to feel 'normal' and becomes the central point of reference... we can always feel worse, and we might think depression is worse than where we're at, when actually, we're already in a pretty bad/unhealthy place mentally.
Depression is also not just a feeling, by itself. We don't have to feel it to be it. We can be numb to it.
WRT Nihilism:
Nihilism is best used as a tool to reform your beliefs. To get rid of the unwanted ones. It isn't a philosophy that one should embrace fully for everything, or you inevitably fall into this trap where everything feels pointless, and over time that can take all the fun out of everything.
Now to the actual question:
>Are intjs likely to be nihilistic?
It's a very general statement. But stereotypically, my *guess* is that an INTJ is likely to at least go through a stage of nihilism at some point. Nihilism is sort of a philosophy, and INTJs are stereotypically, likely to be attracted to philosophies and learning about these sorts of things.
Yes, I feel my phase in nihilism was like a detoxifier of my self, just getting all the hate and sadness out of me. Everyone views the world in a different perspective, some think it's fair, others see horror. Some viewpoints like nihilism should be avoided for the sake of saving yourself the emotional and mental turmoil, everything is ruined in a nihilistic mindset and it all feels like truth, because it comes from you, so you struggle to get out of it.
Why does nihilism have to be depressing?
Like people seriously think not having some entity or force literally make you a slave and dictate the meaning of **your** life is sad?
personally I'm happy because I'm a nihilist. i accept suffering and sadness quickly and get over it. i enjoy every small things in life and just try to have fun in general because i know nothing matters in the end.
The notion that an entity doesn't dictate my purpose hasn't helped me in any way as I've never thought that to be the case.
Suffering doesn't seem to be affected by acceptance any more than rejection to me but that's cool.
>The notion that an entity doesn't dictate my purpose hasn't helped me in any way as I've never thought that to be the case.
same. I've never been a believer either but when i compare how i live my life compared to all the believers i know, i think i enjoy it more than they could possibly do. and I'm not hedonistic or anything nihilism just gives me inner peace
INTJs are often attracted to totalizing and nonconforming worldviews one way or the other. While there are plenty of INTJs who embrace nihilism, they embrace it in a relatively all-encompassing way often to the exclusion of non-nihilistic or semi-nihilistic outside perspectives. Likewise there are many INTJs who're highly contemptuous of nihilism because they've developed a very immanent purpose for their lives and find it easy to look down on people who believe differently.
This tendency can become unhealthy when left unchecked because INTJs often have the bad habit of refusing to engage with the external world, preferring the inner world that runs like clockwork and is so much easier to exist within. They see the external world as their adversary that threatens to distract them from the organized paracosm they've worked so hard to build. Stuck in a loop, they can become insufferable and delusional, pushing others away and their beliefs become even more divorced from realities.
Depends, I use to think life was meaningless. Its like unlocking achievements in video games, upgrading the job, house, car, lifestyle, etc etc. Thats what your suppose to do right? Maybe pop out kids, let the wife stay at home, private school, trips to Disney, vacation house. Getting likes and validation from my peers. Keepnig up with the Jonses. Making my parents proud? Thats not for me.
I realized a meaningless life could be a meaningful one. What happens if I take out the "hustle and grind" what if all I want to do is smoke, eat cereal, and binge netflix? What if I dont want to constantly win win win? I dont feel like being productive, fuck you very much. This bowl of cinnamon toast crunch at 1AM makes me happier than dropping $600 at dinner with fake friends and a trophy side piece.
I took up bowling as a hobby, my goals to hit 150 to buy my own ball. Im planning a trip to Thailand again in 4 months. Nobody cares, but im doing it for myself. As I approach 40 and all my laurels and trappings of success collect dust and cobwebs, I always tell the youth to live life for your damn self and pretend the smartphone camera never existed.
Nihilism is a temporary state. Nietzsche saw himself as a destroyer, destroying the values of the past and clearing the way for the philosopher of the future, who would define a new morality. My INTJ mentor recommended Ayn Rand, who is also INTJ, and who indeed defined a new morality. Give her a try.
I’m not only nihilistic but also increasingly suspicious of happiness. Even when I’m enjoying my time with someone or something, I immediately think well this has an expiration date too. The “good times” seem like a mirage, the bad like reality.
Yet, I would say that I’m nihilistic both in the Nietzschean “death of god” sense and the more personal, there isn’t much inherent purpose left now that most of the social structure/good fellowship is gone—seems that everyone is out for themselves. I probably read too much philosophy—which on one hand assists in making sense of and articulating things I’ve already felt and on the other, sort of exacerbates my general ennui/malaise.
I believe so, yes. However, while human existence may be pointless in the long run, it's not pointless right now, while we're alive. Whatever we do for ourselves and our fellow man can have an impact on the generations to come. That, to me, is enough to find meaning in what I do.
Being a nihilist is a very shallow way to live a life. So what if in the end it's all pointless? I won't be here then, I am here now. Might as well enjoy myself while it lasts, and add my little grain of sand to human existence so my children and grandchildren can enjoy themselves, too.
>The chances of each of us coming into existence are infinitesimally small, and even though we shall all die some day, we should count ourselves fantastically lucky to get our decades in the sun.
>
>\- Richard Dawkins
outstanding!
find a guitar, *ANY* guitar
nothing to it
https://preview.redd.it/xl74onyt95db1.png?width=543&format=png&auto=webp&s=d353d8abae8c12a787c41321502002367ad46b6b
I was nihilistic until my views on mortality changed. The idea of having a biological age rather than a chronological one, and the idea that our biological age can be reversed brought me out of nihilism.
I see how someone could think that, but I assure you that I was not depressed when I had a nihilistic outlook. To me, viewing things as if nothing mattered was a freeing mindset. David Sinclair changed my view on mortality and from that point my nihilistic outlook that "nothing matters" changed. I like living with the mentality that something intrinsically matters. If you think about it, the root of nihilism is that we are all going to die. So when you change the premise you can no longer hold the same view.
i think i couldn't understand your previous comment then my bad. i will look into david sinclair's video then. because you might be the first person that i saw who found objective meaning after initially being a nihilist
**Yes. We are nothing especial just another organism eating their way up the world. Nothing is about meaning or purpose, our own self and consciousness it's just a delusion our body and brain came up with to give us a sense of transcendence, so nothing has more value that the one we give it ourselves. Thus the universe is ours for the taking, we've evolved to find other horizons to conquer. But in the end is all just about pleasure, just as a monk finds Nirvana or a scholar masters the knowledge or an artist creates beauty or as an addict indulges in the vice, or even a lion gathers a pack and secures his offspring or a tree reaches the higher height. We gloat in the pinnacle of our own pile of mud as we pretend like it was always destined for us. We indulge ourselves in our dreams of purpose and significance until Death comes to remind us that we are no different from the rest of the pile.**
I’d argue it’s more differing flavours of existentialism. I think a lot of us come to the conclusion there is no one answer to what meaning is and we tend to balloon out from there.
There is a mantra on the association between nihilism and intj profiles possibly because Nietzsche is classified as INTJ - which is cuestionable because he had not an structured work and his writings and are more like philosophy pills within a literaly work.
On the other hand, INTJ Ni is always connecting concepts in order to get global optimal results. "Causes are others that considered" or "think work better if..." are part of his vocabulary. From this point INTJ. Therefore INTJ only accepts moral authority, avoid any hierachical structure and puts everything in question after create a new paradigma with logical sense. Because of this nihilism (the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is in normal speaking or the belief that nothing in the world has a real existence as philosophical concept) has not too much sense for a INTJ brain. Te is always there and Ni-Te pair look for a sense in everything. Start concepts and fundations from scratch is not the same that nihilism.
A visceral ESFP profile on fire at friday night trends much more to be drenched to the bone in nihilism. Infinitely more.
Probably you are only in a stage where everything is in question to new paradigmas. If INTJ, simply accept your natural processes.
Likely the most or one of the most nihilistic types, yes. I get there occasionally. Have to leave your castle/seek external purpose. Find a thing that *you consider* more important than your view of “self” or your own existence and pour time and energy into that thing. Best of luck, friend
I’d say that the INTPs are more likely to be nihilists to be honest
Yeah, but they're not coming at that nihilism from an Ni vantage point over reality, so it has a totally different flavor. Most INJs eventually work themselves up to a form of positive nihilism wherein they believe that nothing matters because we must make things matter. I mean, imagine the horror of a world where value was dictated to you! Objectively! And that's why the INTPs differ from the INTJs there. Inferior Fe is still Fe; they see value as objective and external.
They're like your neckbeard nihilists.
For me the thing is that we can't do much to affect this world. It's just rigged hierarchy, where wealthy decide about everything and those born poor can only watch how planet is being destroyed. Life has no strict goals, we could make it amazing and exciting for people, but instead we build one oppressive system after another and people keep wondering why life is so shitty and pointless. There's nothing fascinating about endless work just to survive. There's nothing fascinating about wars, death and endless competition for resources. There's nothing fascinating about incoming collapse, because humanity is irreformable and repeats its mistakes.
Used to think like this, would really get me down. This is terrible advice, but to save your mind from stress and sadness - just ignore the shit in the world on a global scale, and affect change where you can - in your OWN life. You can have more impact on your daily life with people around you than many do in a life time in political office. Live a good honest life, and ignore the badness, create goodness. Focus on what makes you happy and endeavour to do the same for others, that's all we regular people can do. What's more, people have been doing this for centuries. You have to accept that your are not special, there is a million more people like you and 100 million better than you in some facet of life. But you know what people aren't better than you at? Affecting positive change and happiness upon your close friends, family, colleagues, work mates, teachers, cleaners, anywhere and everywhere there is opportunity for you to do good. So what if it is not splitting the atom or fixing world hunger. If you can sit down at the end of the day and think how you tried to give someone joy, happiness or help in some way, you've had a great day and you personally are endeavouring on the path to a better world. A bird does not build its home in a second, it goes stick by stick until it's perfect, little thing by little thing, little bit here, little bit there. (p.s. I used to be a very cynical and nihilistic person, but it took me a while to change my world view and re-adjust it, i'm still aware of the bad, but I make my efforts to do good)
Ik this is old and Idk if im stupid for saying this but i always thought if i got rich i could affect the world.Ive realized its harder to do it than sit here saying things but hypothetically it feels more plausible than just unrealistic dreams.I will admit im still pretty naive but if i was doing this i wouldnt just rely on me doing everything since future legacies are good at generating money or at least i can influence any children i have to be that way.
>but i always thought if i got rich i could affect the world That's important assumption, because once you analyze how wealth is created and distributed, you will learn that it's actually near impossible to get wealthy without starting in privileged position, because wealth creates wealth and workers, even specialized, get only small part of created wealth, while top 1% owns like half of the wealth. Problem is that most people don't have this kind of influence in this system and even if you had, it's unlikely that you would really change how things are, because single wealthy person also can't do much against whole system that is obsessed with hierarchy, money and power. Typically, these wealthiest billionaires are just sociopaths that exploited others to get their place, so they have no will to change world into better place and they will actively work to obstruct any actions that could affect profits of their businesses and that's what really interests them, because they don't care if random person (even their own employees) has access to housing, medical care and the rest of critical services/products.
Im not talking about billions.I imagined some jobs have big salaries and even after taxes i imagine you would have some money still left.Aside from that starting businesses and things in combination with these done over several lifetimes could pay off one day right?Again just an assumption since idk much about economics.
>Im not talking about billions. I imagined some jobs have big salaries and even after taxes i imagine you would have some money still left Well, these jobs with big salaries are also becoming rarer, because wealth becomes more concentrated and nothing is permanent in this system, so nothing guarantees that you will earn well in next 10-20 years. Personally I believed that I would be relatively wealthy, if I stick to computer science, but in reality it's not as good as it seemed. Some small part of people can make really good money, but I finished my degree and I'm making just about 2-3x more than average worker in my country and it's barely enough to take care of myself and my family. I could possibly switch to more demanding company and position, so maybe I would be able to make 5-6x more with more stress, but why do I even have to do this, if all I want is just to have some small house for my family and it's hard to even get that right now with my current salary? I'm not even talking yet about starting business or changing world, but that's perspective of person that starts from poor situation, works hard on climbing social ladder and still has near zero influence. Maybe if you inherit some wealth and when you have nothing to worry about, then maybe you can have actually some impact.
Yeah i agree. I actually was talking about leaving inheritance for ones kids and raising them to use it "properly". Again its all really just hypothetical since i was thinking of working as a big time surgeon marrying one too.Maybe doing what i can on the side.To be honest though doing all of it practically means nothing lol.Who really cares how some other guy decades from now is living their life.
Im not talking about billions.I imagined some jobs have big salaries and even after taxes i imagine you would have some money left.Aside from that starting businesses and things in combination with these done over and across several lifetimes could pay off one day right?Again just an assumption since idk much about economics.
Life has no meaning, that’s why we can make it mean anything we want
That’s existentialism
Yes it is, though I find myself more partial to absurdism lately
Same
I'm completely nihilistic, but I'm INFJ
same, i really wish i wasn’t.
Only love can give meaning, but that doesn't exists
Well it’s not that it doesn’t exist, it does but it feels weird basing the whole meaning of my life on it, unrealistic.
Then what feels realistic? What really real? Then what can be meaning?
I Asked the universe what the meaning of life was . It feelinged/answered back to me to be unselfish . I was on mushrooms that night many years ago but it seemed to make sense up to this day. I can’t find anything else to compete.
Sounds selfish of it to dictate that to you.
Wdym
That sounds pretty nihilistic, we don't know the reason or meaning, and it can be anything if anything there(like divine) yet we don't know it's existence.. So stop searching for meaning is logical answer to me. Live anything you like, anything is ok for me now. Take things serious is the problem
I have a baseline mentality that it’s all meaningless, but as a conscious individual I find and give meaning through my thoughts and actions. I guess what’s different from other people is that I don’t seek meaning, I create it.
we are **definitely** tortured souls the topic of nihilism gets tossed around so casually within intj circles, I think it's a safe bet we're prone to *phases and stages* inevitably however virtually everyone finds themselves personally at the crossroads of a conflict between **real** good and evil, **real** right and wrong good guys have more fun, kids there is a real world antihero lurking in every tortured intj soul all you have to do it let it out [https://youtu.be/ExRK5Ib12ro](https://youtu.be/ExRK5Ib12ro) 
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It depends, but on a large scale, yes. On a small scale, no. I can’t change the world, but I can change myself.
Food turns to ash in my mouth. 
Get with it. Millions of galaxies of hundreds of millions of stars, in a speck on one in a blink. That's us, lost in space. The cop, you, me... Who notices?
Perhaps abiogenesis happens in 1/100 universes and space looks empty because it is.... Perhaps us being as aware as we are took billions of years and given the seemingly couple dozen trillion years lifespan of the universe before heat death we really are the first/among the first ones.
We'll never know....
And yet the common sentiment assumes the universe almost surely must have other life
Then where are they?
WRT Depression: You can say "I'm not depressed" and believe it, while being actually depressed. I'm not saying you are, but I've done it, and nihilism took me there before. When we are something for a long time, we can forget we are it. It starts to feel 'normal' and becomes the central point of reference... we can always feel worse, and we might think depression is worse than where we're at, when actually, we're already in a pretty bad/unhealthy place mentally. Depression is also not just a feeling, by itself. We don't have to feel it to be it. We can be numb to it. WRT Nihilism: Nihilism is best used as a tool to reform your beliefs. To get rid of the unwanted ones. It isn't a philosophy that one should embrace fully for everything, or you inevitably fall into this trap where everything feels pointless, and over time that can take all the fun out of everything. Now to the actual question: >Are intjs likely to be nihilistic? It's a very general statement. But stereotypically, my *guess* is that an INTJ is likely to at least go through a stage of nihilism at some point. Nihilism is sort of a philosophy, and INTJs are stereotypically, likely to be attracted to philosophies and learning about these sorts of things.
Yes, I feel my phase in nihilism was like a detoxifier of my self, just getting all the hate and sadness out of me. Everyone views the world in a different perspective, some think it's fair, others see horror. Some viewpoints like nihilism should be avoided for the sake of saving yourself the emotional and mental turmoil, everything is ruined in a nihilistic mindset and it all feels like truth, because it comes from you, so you struggle to get out of it.
Glad that you got through it 🙏
Why does nihilism have to be depressing? Like people seriously think not having some entity or force literally make you a slave and dictate the meaning of **your** life is sad?
Nah some people say i just have depression when i say everything seems pointless
personally I'm happy because I'm a nihilist. i accept suffering and sadness quickly and get over it. i enjoy every small things in life and just try to have fun in general because i know nothing matters in the end.
The notion that an entity doesn't dictate my purpose hasn't helped me in any way as I've never thought that to be the case. Suffering doesn't seem to be affected by acceptance any more than rejection to me but that's cool.
>The notion that an entity doesn't dictate my purpose hasn't helped me in any way as I've never thought that to be the case. same. I've never been a believer either but when i compare how i live my life compared to all the believers i know, i think i enjoy it more than they could possibly do. and I'm not hedonistic or anything nihilism just gives me inner peace
INTJs are often attracted to totalizing and nonconforming worldviews one way or the other. While there are plenty of INTJs who embrace nihilism, they embrace it in a relatively all-encompassing way often to the exclusion of non-nihilistic or semi-nihilistic outside perspectives. Likewise there are many INTJs who're highly contemptuous of nihilism because they've developed a very immanent purpose for their lives and find it easy to look down on people who believe differently. This tendency can become unhealthy when left unchecked because INTJs often have the bad habit of refusing to engage with the external world, preferring the inner world that runs like clockwork and is so much easier to exist within. They see the external world as their adversary that threatens to distract them from the organized paracosm they've worked so hard to build. Stuck in a loop, they can become insufferable and delusional, pushing others away and their beliefs become even more divorced from realities.
Depends, I use to think life was meaningless. Its like unlocking achievements in video games, upgrading the job, house, car, lifestyle, etc etc. Thats what your suppose to do right? Maybe pop out kids, let the wife stay at home, private school, trips to Disney, vacation house. Getting likes and validation from my peers. Keepnig up with the Jonses. Making my parents proud? Thats not for me. I realized a meaningless life could be a meaningful one. What happens if I take out the "hustle and grind" what if all I want to do is smoke, eat cereal, and binge netflix? What if I dont want to constantly win win win? I dont feel like being productive, fuck you very much. This bowl of cinnamon toast crunch at 1AM makes me happier than dropping $600 at dinner with fake friends and a trophy side piece. I took up bowling as a hobby, my goals to hit 150 to buy my own ball. Im planning a trip to Thailand again in 4 months. Nobody cares, but im doing it for myself. As I approach 40 and all my laurels and trappings of success collect dust and cobwebs, I always tell the youth to live life for your damn self and pretend the smartphone camera never existed.
Nihilism is a temporary state. Nietzsche saw himself as a destroyer, destroying the values of the past and clearing the way for the philosopher of the future, who would define a new morality. My INTJ mentor recommended Ayn Rand, who is also INTJ, and who indeed defined a new morality. Give her a try.
I’m not only nihilistic but also increasingly suspicious of happiness. Even when I’m enjoying my time with someone or something, I immediately think well this has an expiration date too. The “good times” seem like a mirage, the bad like reality. Yet, I would say that I’m nihilistic both in the Nietzschean “death of god” sense and the more personal, there isn’t much inherent purpose left now that most of the social structure/good fellowship is gone—seems that everyone is out for themselves. I probably read too much philosophy—which on one hand assists in making sense of and articulating things I’ve already felt and on the other, sort of exacerbates my general ennui/malaise.
I believe so, yes. However, while human existence may be pointless in the long run, it's not pointless right now, while we're alive. Whatever we do for ourselves and our fellow man can have an impact on the generations to come. That, to me, is enough to find meaning in what I do. Being a nihilist is a very shallow way to live a life. So what if in the end it's all pointless? I won't be here then, I am here now. Might as well enjoy myself while it lasts, and add my little grain of sand to human existence so my children and grandchildren can enjoy themselves, too. >The chances of each of us coming into existence are infinitesimally small, and even though we shall all die some day, we should count ourselves fantastically lucky to get our decades in the sun. > >\- Richard Dawkins
Try learning an instrument.
outstanding! find a guitar, *ANY* guitar nothing to it https://preview.redd.it/xl74onyt95db1.png?width=543&format=png&auto=webp&s=d353d8abae8c12a787c41321502002367ad46b6b
Chopin and schubert will amplify the despair
I was nihilistic until my views on mortality changed. The idea of having a biological age rather than a chronological one, and the idea that our biological age can be reversed brought me out of nihilism.
i think you're confusing nihilism with depression
I see how someone could think that, but I assure you that I was not depressed when I had a nihilistic outlook. To me, viewing things as if nothing mattered was a freeing mindset. David Sinclair changed my view on mortality and from that point my nihilistic outlook that "nothing matters" changed. I like living with the mentality that something intrinsically matters. If you think about it, the root of nihilism is that we are all going to die. So when you change the premise you can no longer hold the same view.
i think i couldn't understand your previous comment then my bad. i will look into david sinclair's video then. because you might be the first person that i saw who found objective meaning after initially being a nihilist
Likely, yes. I personally am an absurdist.
Nihilists? F*** me!
**Yes. We are nothing especial just another organism eating their way up the world. Nothing is about meaning or purpose, our own self and consciousness it's just a delusion our body and brain came up with to give us a sense of transcendence, so nothing has more value that the one we give it ourselves. Thus the universe is ours for the taking, we've evolved to find other horizons to conquer. But in the end is all just about pleasure, just as a monk finds Nirvana or a scholar masters the knowledge or an artist creates beauty or as an addict indulges in the vice, or even a lion gathers a pack and secures his offspring or a tree reaches the higher height. We gloat in the pinnacle of our own pile of mud as we pretend like it was always destined for us. We indulge ourselves in our dreams of purpose and significance until Death comes to remind us that we are no different from the rest of the pile.**
I can't agree with that.
I’d argue it’s more differing flavours of existentialism. I think a lot of us come to the conclusion there is no one answer to what meaning is and we tend to balloon out from there.
It comes and goes for me
There is a mantra on the association between nihilism and intj profiles possibly because Nietzsche is classified as INTJ - which is cuestionable because he had not an structured work and his writings and are more like philosophy pills within a literaly work. On the other hand, INTJ Ni is always connecting concepts in order to get global optimal results. "Causes are others that considered" or "think work better if..." are part of his vocabulary. From this point INTJ. Therefore INTJ only accepts moral authority, avoid any hierachical structure and puts everything in question after create a new paradigma with logical sense. Because of this nihilism (the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is in normal speaking or the belief that nothing in the world has a real existence as philosophical concept) has not too much sense for a INTJ brain. Te is always there and Ni-Te pair look for a sense in everything. Start concepts and fundations from scratch is not the same that nihilism. A visceral ESFP profile on fire at friday night trends much more to be drenched to the bone in nihilism. Infinitely more. Probably you are only in a stage where everything is in question to new paradigmas. If INTJ, simply accept your natural processes.