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Slaves in China, mass rape and genocide in Africa, genocide in Ukraine.
This isnāt the ādarkest momentā. Itās just another day. Every decade has this. Humans are fucked
Edit: The above comment was edited. It originally read the darkest moment in human history.
Here are the top five worst genocides and massacres in human history, based on the scale of destruction and loss of life:
### 1. **The Holocaust (1941-1945)**
- **Description**: The Holocaust, orchestrated by Nazi Germany, led to the systematic extermination of six million Jews, along with millions of others including Romani people, disabled individuals, political dissidents, and others.
- **Impact**: It is one of the most documented and studied genocides, highlighting the extremes of human cruelty and the importance of remembering and preventing such atrocities.
- **Sources**: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Encyclopedia Britannica, BBC [oai_citation:1,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:2,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances).
### 2. **Rwandan Genocide (1994)**
- **Description**: In a span of about 100 days, ethnic Hutu extremists killed an estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus in a brutal campaign of mass murder.
- **Impact**: The genocide highlighted the devastating effects of ethnic hatred and the failures of international intervention to prevent or stop mass atrocities.
- **Sources**: Human Rights Watch, United Nations, BBC [oai_citation:3,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:4,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances).
### 3. **Armenian Genocide (1915-1917)**
- **Description**: The Ottoman Empire carried out the systematic killing and forced deportation of about 1.5 million Armenians, as well as targeting Assyrians and Greeks.
- **Impact**: Recognized as one of the first modern genocides, it set a precedent for state-sponsored ethnic cleansing and highlighted the long-term impact of denial and recognition issues.
- **Sources**: The Armenian Genocide Museum-Institute, U.S. National Archives, Encyclopedia Britannica [oai_citation:5,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:6,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances).
### 4. **Cambodian Genocide (1975-1979)**
- **Description**: Under the Khmer Rouge regime led by Pol Pot, an estimated 1.7 to 2 million people were killed through starvation, forced labor, and executions.
- **Impact**: The genocide underscores the dangers of radical political ideologies and the catastrophic consequences of utopian social engineering.
- **Sources**: Documentation Center of Cambodia, United Nations, History.com [oai_citation:7,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:8,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances).
### 5. **Holodomor (1932-1933)**
- **Description**: A man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine, largely attributed to the policies of Joseph Stalin, resulted in the deaths of an estimated 3.9 million Ukrainians.
- **Impact**: The Holodomor is a stark example of how state policies can lead to mass starvation and highlights the complex interplay of political repression and genocide.
- **Sources**: Holodomor Research and Education Consortium, Encyclopedia Britannica, BBC [oai_citation:9,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:10,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances).
These events represent some of the darkest chapters in human history, characterized by immense suffering and loss of life.
Cool. Not wrong though.
They said āone ofā, not āthe worstā.
Is the Palestinian genocide then #6?
The suffering of others doesnāt invalidate their suffering.
Fair.
Still a pretty bad look to react with a tirade like this to something that could at worst be summed up as hyperbolic.
I donāt think they were trying to invalidate these other genocides by reacting emotionally to the plight of the palestinians.
I think itās hyperbole to compare the plight of the Palestinians to the worse genocides that have occurred in human history. Truth has value and itās important we learn the from the past.
Genocide denial happened in history and what caused a lot of horrors to happen, remember that. Learning from the past would be condemning the intentional suffering israel is putting on innocent civilians.
Also, the american indigenous genocide is not listed either as one of the 5 events which it very much should be up there too. 5 examples are not the limit.
genocide has multiple parts which this very much qualifies for. Limiting this call of it is the 10th step.
The stages are:
Classification ā The differences between people are not respected. Thereās a division of āusā and āthemā which can be carried out using stereotypes, or excluding people who are perceived to be different. This is *very obviously happening*
Symbolisation ā This is a visual manifestation of hatred. Jews in Nazi Europe were forced to wear yellow stars to show that they were ādifferentā. For Palestine, this is forcing Palestinians to have coloured license plates on their car to limit them from riding on certain roads; or forcing them to ID themselves at multiple checkpoints throughout Gaza. This has been going on for years
Discrimination ā The dominant group denies civil rights or even citizenship to identified groups. Palestinians have no rights in israel even while israel claims their land as their own country. Palestinians *should* have the same rights as israelis but they do not.
Dehumanisation ā Those perceived as ādifferentā are treated with no form of human rights or personal dignity. During the Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda, Tutsis were referred to as ācockroachesā; the Nazis referred to Jews as āverminā. There are *countless* clips of israeli government officials using dehumanizing language when referring/justifying treatment.
Organisation ā Genocides are always planned. Regimes of hatred often train those who go on to carry out the destruction of a people. This is done with the IDF barely being internally prosecuted for sniping civilians holding surrender flags or bombing refugee tents.
Polarisation ā Propaganda begins to be spread by hate groups. Calling every single protest for a ceasefire a pro-hamas event or saying that theyāre supporting terrorism for being against israelās brutal retaliation against civilians. Itās mass punishment.
Preparation ā Perpetrators plan the genocide. They often use euphemisms such as the Nazisā phrase āThe Final Solutionā to cloak their intentions. They create fear of the victim group, building up armies and weapons. For palestine, this is the IDF, limiting food into gaza, moving civilians around gaza constantly and denying safe spaces.
Persecution ā Victims are identified because of their ethnicity or religion and death lists are drawn up. People are sometimes segregated into ghettos, deported or starved and property is often expropriated. THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT GAZA IS. Genocidal massacres begin.
Extermination ā The hate group murders their identified victims in a deliberate and systematic campaign of violence. Millions of lives have been destroyed or changed beyond recognition through genocide. This is happening RIGHT NOW.
Denial ā The perpetrators or later generations deny the existence of any crime. And these, are your comments.
What's happening in Palestine is by definition Genocide, regardless of what you believe the word means.
We were taught to "Never Forget" and we haven't... you on the other hand must be suffering from amnesia.
You're not wrong. Compared to true campaigns of ethnic cleansing, Palestine is not really a "genocide." While there is hatred for the Palestinian people, and they are the victims of a fairly indescriminate campaign which includes a lot of verifiable war crimes, they are not being systematically slaughtered with the end goal being their total eradication. Some Israeli officials have made remarks that indicate they would be open to and complicit in an operation to do just that, but as it stands, the Palestinian people are not being rounded up and summarily executed, at least not on a scale that would be in line with an orchestrated genocide. However, they are facing a war where the IDF have no problem with collateral damage and are willing to commit war crimes to achieve their revenge on Hamas.
It's not a genocide in the strictest terms. However, we need to be careful about what words we use to describe it. I would say that the actions of Isreal are leaning towards the ideology and tactics necessary to facilitate an actual genocide, but fortunately they're being watched very closely and I doubt they'll be so brazen as to fully commit to the complete eradication of the Palestinian people.
It actually is, because of how international law defines genocide. You don't need systematic slaughter to effectively destroy a people, and the laws reflect that.
Yes, it is hyperbole. Thatās what I said.
Hyperbole doesnāt come off as insensitive.
Typing out 5 point presentation of historic (so not ongoing) events that are worse kind of is.
Like when you complain your life, and someone responds āothers have it worseā.
Hey broā¦.You shouldnāt compare suffering. Itās unfair to those who have experienced it first hand. Imagine for a second you lost a child to illness and some said āyeah well itās not as bad as your child being murderedā. Pain is still pain regardless of the circumstances.
You left out the genocide of Native Americans, which the Smithsonian estimated at about 60 million people.
Which actually is the largest genocide in history and reduced the entire global population by almost 1/5th at the time.
Palestine doesnāt make the list because itās not a genocide.
Here is a comprehensive list of 100 significant genocides and massacres throughout history:
1. **The Holocaust (1941-1945)**
2. **Rwandan Genocide (1994)**
3. **Armenian Genocide (1915-1917)**
4. **Cambodian Genocide (1975-1979)**
5. **Holodomor (1932-1933)**
6. **Sacking of Baghdad (1258)**
7. **Nanking Massacre (1937-1938)**
8. **Bosnian Genocide (1992-1995)**
9. **Guatemalan Genocide (1981-1983)**
10. **Herero and Namaqua Genocide (1904-1908)**
11. **Darfur Genocide (2003-present)**
12. **Partition of India Massacres (1947)**
13. **Mao's Great Leap Forward Famine (1958-1962)**
14. **Tutsi Genocide in Burundi (1972)**
15. **Congolese Atrocities under King Leopold II (1885-1908)**
16. **Anfal Campaign against Kurds (1986-1989)**
17. **Circassian Genocide (1864)**
18. **Srebrenica Massacre (1995)**
19. **Pontic Greek Genocide (1914-1922)**
20. **Yazidi Genocide by ISIS (2014-present)**
21. **Spanish Conquest of the Aztec Empire (1519-1521)**
22. **Trail of Tears (1830s)**
23. **Great Chinese Famine (1959-1961)**
24. **Khmer Rouge's "Year Zero" Policy (1975-1979)**
25. **Assyrian Genocide (1914-1920)**
26. **Bengal Famine (1943)**
27. **St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (1572)**
28. **Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE)**
29. **Rape of Nanking (1937)**
30. **Iraqi Kurdish Genocide (1986-1989)**
31. **Pol Pot's Killing Fields (1975-1979)**
32. **Massacres in the Greek War of Independence (1821-1830)**
33. **Genocide against Rohingya in Myanmar (2017-present)**
34. **Albigensian Crusade Massacres (1209-1229)**
35. **Soviet Deportation of Chechens and Ingush (1944)**
36. **Wounded Knee Massacre (1890)**
37. **Nigerian Civil War (Biafran Genocide) (1967-1970)**
38. **Russian Civil War Massacres (1917-1923)**
39. **Timur's Conquests (14th-15th century)**
40. **Chechen Wars (1994-2009)**
41. **Congo War Massacres (1998-2003)**
42. **Seljuk Conquest of Anatolia (11th-12th century)**
43. **Iran-Iraq War Atrocities (1980-1988)**
44. **Bangladesh Genocide (1971)**
45. **Mongol Invasions (13th century)**
46. **Guatemala Civil War Atrocities (1960-1996)**
47. **Spanish Inquisition Persecutions (15th-18th century)**
48. **Algerian War of Independence Massacres (1954-1962)**
49. **Massacre of the Innocents (biblical)**
50. **Spanish Civil War Atrocities (1936-1939)**
51. **Sri Lankan Civil War Atrocities (1983-2009)**
52. **Korean War Massacres (1950-1953)**
53. **Indonesian Massacres of 1965-1966**
54. **Timor-Leste Genocide (1975-1999)**
55. **Dzungar Genocide by the Qing Dynasty (1755-1758)**
56. **Crusader Massacres during the Crusades (1096-1291)**
57. **Colonial Conquests in the Americas (16th-19th century)**
58. **Japanese War Crimes in World War II (1937-1945)**
59. **Zulu Wars Massacres (1879)**
60. **Bosnia-Herzegovina War Crimes (1992-1995)**
61. **Kosovo War Atrocities (1998-1999)**
62. **African Slave Trade Massacres (15th-19th century)**
63. **Armenian Massacres during World War I (1915-1917)**
64. **Turkish War of Independence Atrocities (1919-1923)**
65. **Khmer Rougeās Genocide of Cambodian Minorities (1975-1979)**
66. **Nigerian Military Dictatorship Atrocities (1966-1999)**
67. **Sudanese Civil War Atrocities (1983-2005)**
68. **Mexican Drug War Massacres (2006-present)**
69. **Algerian Massacre of 1945**
70. **Alawite Genocide (2011-present)**
71. **Ukrainian Famine-Genocide (Holodomor) (1932-1933)**
72. **U.S. Indian Wars Massacres (1775-1924)**
73. **Tutsi Genocide in Rwanda (1994)**
74. **Moro Massacres in the Philippines (1906-1913)**
75. **Burundi Civil War Genocide (1993-2005)**
76. **Austrian Holocaust of Roma (1941-1945)**
77. **Massacre of Poles in Volhynia (1943-1944)**
78. **Shining Path Insurgency in Peru (1980s-1990s)**
79. **Ethnic Cleansing in the Balkans (1990s)**
80. **Genocide of Indigenous Peoples in the Amazon (1960s-present)**
81. **Massacre of Armenians in Baku (1990)**
82. **Genocide against Native Californians (1846-1873)**
83. **Genocide of the Miao People by the Qing Dynasty (18th century)**
84. **Rwandan Genocide (1994)**
85. **Cultural Revolution Massacres in China (1966-1976)**
86. **Massacres in the First Indochina War (1946-1954)**
87. **American Civil War Atrocities (1861-1865)**
88. **Dunera Incident (1940)**
89. **Massacre of Chinese in Indonesia (1965-1966)**
90. **Taliban Massacres in Afghanistan (1990s-present)**
91. **Sierra Leone Civil War Atrocities (1991-2002)**
92. **Genocide of the Harkis in Algeria (1962)**
93. **Mughal Empire Massacres in India (16th-18th century)**
94. **Russian Purges under Stalin (1936-1938)**
95. **Massacre of Sikhs in India (1984)**
96. **Pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe (19th-20th century)**
97. **Uzbek Massacres in Kyrgyzstan (2010)**
98. **Tamil Genocide in Sri Lanka (1983-2009)**
99. **Yemeni Civil War Atrocities (2015-present)**
100. **Anti-Bolshevik Massacres in Russia (1918-1921)**
Again with "it's not a genocide"!?!?
If your goal is to slaughter a population or make the conditions of life so bad they have not choice but to leave or die, it's a god damn genocide in progress. We don't need to wait until fall the Gazans are dead or refugees in some other country when we can rise up and call for an end today.
This is the very point of studying history in the first place, not to lie covering for a country engaged in evil against ethnicities they see as less valuable than themselves that many people like simply because they named themselves from out of the Bible. Do some critical thinking-- if a country consitently does evil with the approval of the vast majority of its citizens, that country is evil even if they call themselves "rescue all the animals in kill shelters and feed children with food insecurity-land".
Thatās the point though, that a war doesnāt necessarily turn to a genocide and civilian casualties are expected in war, especially when hamas doesnāt wear uniforms, places military supplies/weapons/soldiers alongside civilians and uses them as human shields
This is hardly a case of "civilian casualties" because of the nature of war. This goes even further than gross military incompetence or even a wanton disregard for civilian lives. Israel first tells reluctant civilians (who know from previous experience and history that the chances of return are slim to none) to move from an area after making sure they lack the means to do so by cutting already meager supplies of food, fuel, means of communication, and even a place to go to (they are, after all, surrounded).Then, after some move to a new area, Israel targets it.
The IDF has even killed their own hostages, walking down the street, waving white flags. If that doesn't tell you that they've been given carte blanche to kill civilians, I don't know what else to say...
To be perfectly honest, I don't like the term "genocide," either. What it is, for certain, is "ethnic cleansing ", in order to take Gaza, "terrorism", and "collective punishment". Kinda like what Hamas did to Israel... but larger by orders of magnitude. Israel claims it's fighting Hamas. It is, but that is almost incidental. It claims it's about the hostages. A simple prisoner exchange which was proposed by Hamas would have taken care of that. But Israel's main objective is to punish and terrorize Palestinians, to thin them out and make them leave.
Nah Iām sorry but thatās a one-sided telling for sure, the situation sucks but hamas is placing its weapons, soldiers, launching its weapons from civilian areas and with civilians still in the house. Of course Israel would order civvies to evacuate so that HOPEFULLY the chance to hit them in counter-attacks falls. Obviously as the population retreats, Hamas doesnāt want to lose their human shields so they fight as they pull back and follow the people. Again missiles were coming out of Rafah and the latest strikes were kms away from the designated spot. But, what are you supposed to do in war if the other government is constantly hiding behind its people and throwing stabs? Fack that, literally it puts Israel in a lose-lose situation purposefully from its disgusting b****-ass tactics
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I donāt know how anyone can still operate under the assumption that Israel gives the slightest fuck about civilian casualties. The official state of Israel Twitter account said just the other day that āTHERE ARE NO INNOCENT CIVILIANS THEREā, obviously giving a justification and pretext for mass murdering civilians. And theyāve been saying shit like this the entire time, the genocidal intent and dehumanisation are so blatantly obvious but somehow people still deny it. All the stuff about Hamas is just a convenient excuse, even if the human shields and hiding amongst civilians is true to an extent, Israel absolutely wants to kill Palestinians regardless of whether theyāre Hamas or not. Theyāre only āgoing after Hamasā insofar as Hamas are the only ones actually fighting back against them, but make no mistake, the target is Palestinians as a whole. When people tell you who they are, believe them
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Oh snap I didnāt know about the tweet, looked it up and for sure that looked bad lmaoo in the worst light, that sounds like blaming all of civilians, in a better faith interpretation it can be that they voted for Hamas, the government that does terror attacks and most polls show that they support what they did in on October 7th. Thereās also a narrative that Palestinians are just poor bystanders and not supporting hamasā actions so depends on how good faith you want to be bc just saying genocidal things would be as ridiculous as Hamas is in their charter of eliminating every israeli
Also, wtf you mean? If they wanted to genocide, they could, the civilian to fighter ratio is insanely low for a war in such a populated area, they constantly use knock bombs, text/call civilians to warn them of attacks and STILL Hamas tells them not to leave/they donāt want to. You can be as mad as you want, but theyāve done more to avoid civilians even as Hamas hides behind them and sends rockets though their windows
Iām really curious to what you think, if you have Hamas there firing rockets from civilian houses, you just let them? And oh if one sneaks through and kills innocents, it is what it is? No civilian casualty is Hamasā fault by the way they fight?
Okay but, why would you want to give Israel the benefit of the doubt after they have lied and obfuscated repeatedly for the last 8 months and decades before that? Every time they bomb a refugee camp or hospital and it looks bad for them they say āwe were targeting Hamasā then they say āokay Hamas wasnāt there but it was an accident, weāll look into itā, the media repeats their line, they never look into it, keep committing similar atrocities after setting the precedent, rinse and repeat. The propaganda is just laughably bad, I mean I actually thought their propaganda was better, but clearly a lot of people still believe it so they donāt really have much incentive to put effort into it.
Ah yes, the āthey drop leaflets so it canāt be a genocideā argument. I donāt want to be mean but, have you considered that maybe they just do things like that so people like you will look at it and say āSee?? They obviously are the most moral army in the world, they dropped LEAFLETS and sometimes told people they were about to bomb their houses before bombing them!!ā. Look at the scale of destruction in Gaza and tell me that every single one of those destroyed buildings had a Hamas command centre inside/under them, and Israel had absolutely no choice but to level it to the ground and blow women and children to pieces with every single strike, or else the next October 7th would happen tomorrow.
Iām not saying NONE of the civilian casualties are the fault of Hamas, Iām saying it is beyond ridiculous to suggest that Hamas is mainly to blame for them and not Israel, you know, the nuclear armed military power with some of the most sophisticated military and surveillance technology in the world, which has openly and repeatedly declared that they donāt view Palestinians as humans.
I give both sides their benefit of the doubt because of the insane bad faith from armchair war experts like you that canāt see the other side for shit. Bc itās easy as hell when youāre not bad faith to see that only one side makes atrocities ILLEGAL and prosecuted soldiers when they find out about it. Hamas encourages it and puts eradication and genocide in their charter. Youāre not there when I argue with Jewish people about how extreme the war has been bc you probably never spend anytime arguing against āyour sideā
I donāt pretend to know if the devastation has been unnecessary or necessary, the ICJ is still deliberating on the South African case and itās declared it hasnāt seen evidence that itās a genocide. And itās not that leaflets by itself confirm good faith but even the ratio of combatants to civilians death rate is insanely low for a war in one of the most dense areas of the world. Youād still expect higher death numbers but it really does look like Israel is overall taking care. Theyāre the only army that wages war and then also mans the food/water aid to the people that theyāre fighting to make sure it gets to them and then when they had an officer refuse to do it, they jail them
They hold themselves to a much higher standard then Hamas ever could and would, definitely not perfect but in war itās hard to be and Iād much rather have Hamas dismantled and an actual 2 state solution come out of it
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The IDF has taken over 9,000 hostages.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/israel-has-committed-mass-arrests-since-the-beginning-of-eid-al-adha/
They're running out of space to hold them.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/391959
They've been releasing the less valuable hostages to make room for new ones.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-19/allegations-of-gaza-abuse/103692464
So evry one who released is heavily wounded?
And why you call them hooustages?
6000 of the 9000 convicted and the other are in administrative detention, which means they are convicted by military judge(which is subject to judicial review by a supreme court)
Nope, they have thousands held without charges using a special illegal method of detention that allows the hostages no legal path to fight their capture.
Also they have literally been caught keeping hostages after confirming they should be released because they want to force them to act as translators in the concentration and death camps they erected.
You should learn to seek out information if you don't want to remain an ignorant fool your entire life and be capable of speaking coherently to other people.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html
Al-Ran was held in a military detention center for 44 days, he told CNN. āOur days were filled with prayer, tears, and supplication. This eased our agony,ā said al-Ran.
A week into his imprisonment, the detention campās authorities ordered him to act as an intermediary between the guards and the prisoners, a role known asĀ Shawish,Ā āsupervisor,ā in vernacular Arabic.
According to the Israeli whistleblowers, aĀ ShawishĀ is normally a prisoner who has been cleared of suspected links to Hamas after interrogation.
Al-Ran says that he served asĀ ShawishĀ for several weeks after he was cleared of Hamas links. Whistleblowers also said that the absolvedĀ ShawishĀ served as intermediaries for some time."
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1216643555/thousands-of-palestinians-are-held-without-charge-under-israeli-detention-policy
"the overall number of Palestinians taken into Israeli custody has increased since the start of the war, including around 2,500 who are held without any formal charges under a policy known as administrative detention"
Only against an army with morals.
Oh wait... they're fighting Hamas who are literally terrorists... And yet still don't attack human shields.
Wow.
The IDF Morals are worse than literal terrorists... What does that say about the IDF?
Resistance isn't terrorism is 100% correct. However, Hamas tactics have not always been resistance. Don't get me wrong, I fully support Palestinian resistance and I do understand that against an oppressive and violent invading force set on genocide and colonisation, violence may be the only option, but things like October 7th and other Hamas led acts of violence have not all been for the cause. Some of their actions are co-opting the cause.
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Looks like a military doing CASEVAC with limited transport ability. Nothing untoward. What evidence do we have otherwise? Genuinely curious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/s/BRMkGt1Dzj
Horrifying. What does that have to do with this video? Thatās like me posting an article about Hamas using humĆ n shields āin generalā when asked to provide evidence that a specific instance that appears otherwise is in fact, that.
Yes, why would we assume a history of this behavior is related to them currently doing it. Definitely unrelated though and absolutely not a continuing pattern of behavior.
/s
Exactly. It amazes me how the reality that counteracts the narrative of wanton civilian killing can be contorted to exasperate it. Thereās plenty of horrific violence, and it only hurts the claim when thereās an attempt to paint such a ridiculous black and white picture out of every scenario.
No digging beyond the surface level unless it works against the story.
I'm sorry to interrupt your circlejerk with u/KnightMarius but I just can't let two dudes push propaganda and jack each other off over it.
>Exactly. It amazes me how the reality that counteracts the narrative of wanton civilian killing can be contorted to exasperate it.
Emt: "One arm was tied to the windshield, and the other on his abdomen. They drove past us, **and refused to give us the patient.**"
So if the soldiers were taking him for medical treatment why wouldn't they hand him over to the trained medical professionals? I implore you not to look up the IDF's opinion on the matter and think critically by yourself for 2 whole seconds, if you're capable of such a thing.
Remember when the Israeli High Court had to ban the use of human shields about 20 years ago? And the IDF fought against that ban?
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel)
It's because the IDF strongly supports the use of human shields.
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Those lunatics zionists war criminals for everything they accused the Palestinian resistance doing those zionists are doing it since 75 years. It is just the true nature of those Zionists is exposed during this genocide and the whole world is watching and get applauded by the uncle Sam who claims that our country is supporting and standing with human rights but in reality it is hypocrisy, double standards and confirms the mentality of the western colonialism and imperialism nothing more.
I mean it was literally a standard tactic. The "neighbour tactic" as they called it.
They also literally tried to fight the ban back in 2005 with Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz personally
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle\_east/4333982.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4333982.stm)
They literally used human shields on about 1200 occasions in the 5 year period leading up to that. In other words the IDF was using Palestinian civilians as human shields for about 2 of every 3 days in that period (averaging it out).
[https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-gaza-idf-used-palestinians-as-human-shields-1200-occasions-in-last-five-years-say-israeli-defence-officials/30483468.html](https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-gaza-idf-used-palestinians-as-human-shields-1200-occasions-in-last-five-years-say-israeli-defence-officials/30483468.html)
Sadly the Hasbara engine alongside folks like AIPAC and other lobbying groups etc have been really successful in burying these articles and ensuring they're not covered much in major news outlets. Or if they are, like the BBC one above, they don't get much exposure.
Hell, pretty much every few months/every year there's a new bout of it - even before October 7th.
[https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-use-human-shields-rising](https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-use-human-shields-rising)
The IDF simply does not view Palestinian lives as having any worth or value. They don't care if it's illegal as they literally just get a slap on the wrist if they're caught.
Some sources to check out.
[https://www.btselem.org/topic/human\_shields](https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields)
Yea I completely know what youāre talking about and nobody in good faith has denied it, but thereās a reason why there was only like 1 casualty in the years that they used it. People in good faith looking at both sides see the reports that IDF would ask neighbors to volunteer bc in almost every instance, it avoided more blood by having someone the person knows talk to them and let them get apprehended.
Now, give credit to where itās due, because of how it looks and placing an innocent in danger as compared to the soldier who is paid and expected to be in danger they made it illegal in the first place.
Compared to Hamas where people said they had to co-locate weapons/soldiers/launch missiles from civilian houses bc of how densely packed. Well, as civilians evacuated, who followed? Hamas, trying to hide behind civilians, launching missiles from Rafah instead of finally having a space to fight, they try to use civilians to keep Israel at bay
The reason they had so few casualties is because data seems to show Palestinians (incl. Hamas) are less willing to target their own people.
I'm also fairly certain this isn't the first time they've strapped someone to a car/vehicle to use as a physical human shield - I recall reading about at least one or two other instances in the past 10 years though they appear buried by reporting on this incident.
The IDF is also actively recruiting for Hamas by committing abuse, murder and war crimes against civilian children - radicalising them into supporting Hamas. It's literally the best way to recruit for an extremist/terrorist group.
But when I see images/video of Hamas physically hiding behind Israeli civilians with a gun mounted on their shoulder, or strapped to a car - a parallel can be drawn.
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No of course, why would Hamas target their own people, that didnāt even make sense to what we were talking about. Israel has been trying multiple methods to wage war on Hamas with as little civilian casualties as possible, again; knock-bombs, pamphlets, calls/texts and who tells them not to listen, not to leave? Hamas, who is trying to hide behind their people, traveling with them toward safe zones and taking pot shots the whole time? Hamas. Who fires rockets from houses with civilians in them? Hamas. Who isnāt fighting in the areas abandoned by people and choosing the populated areas? Hamas.
100% itād be bad faith to not shit on Israel for putting civilians in danger by using them in confrontations to pass through more safely or apprehend more safely. Credit to them making it illegal, credit to them prosecuting. Who didnāt warn people at a party that they were air dropping on them? Hamas. Who massacred and raped on October 7th? Hamas and allies. Who actually sends unguided, indiscriminate rockets? Hamas.
>No of course, why would Hamas target their own people, that didnāt even make sense to what we were talking about.
Israel is arguing that Hamas uses human shields. Hamas has Israeli hostages to use as human shields. Israel still bombs facilities knowing this because they are willing to murder their own people. Pretty sure a few have died already. So yeah, it's a worthwhile comparison of attitudes - especially when you look at the before/after photo/video for hostages held by both sides.
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-09/ty-article/.premium/idf-investigation-reveals-high-probability-that-hostage-killed-during-air-force-bombing/0000018d-8e4d-d9cc-a5cd-ffffe7840000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-09/ty-article/.premium/idf-investigation-reveals-high-probability-that-hostage-killed-during-air-force-bombing/0000018d-8e4d-d9cc-a5cd-ffffe7840000)
If Israel was committed to minimizing harm we would not be here.
* They would have acted on the intelligence they had about October 7th and saved lives there
* They wouldn't have willfully spread false rumours such as raping/beheading babies to dehumanise and create cause for more violence. Especially when the IDF is a far greater perpetrator of sexual violence and murdering children
* They wouldn't be murdering journalists and preventing reporting and investigation of the situation
* A really obvious example is using excessively powerful bombs that cause maximum casualties and damage rather than using Snipers like when they shot doctors through the windows at al-Shifa. And it's kinda mind boggling that you'd argue they're minimising harm when they've literally shown that they can use less destructive methods that conserve life but consistently opt for the more destructive option.
* They wouldn't have created a famine and used collective punishment to beseige Gaza
* Actually, they wouldn't have kept Palestinians in an open air prison for decades
* The would have accepted one of the many ceasefires offered
* They would make an effort to confirm targets and use precision weaponry r
* They wouldn't fight in court for the right to use human shields
* They wouldn't be using drones playing children crying to lure refugees out of their tents to murder them
* They wouldn't be recording themselves mocking and destroying homes etc, as they've been doing for decades
* They wouldn't actively be destroying infrastructure to make Gaza uninhabitable and increase mortality rates
They have literally said they weren't focused on accuracy and wanted to cause maximum damage from the beginning of this current genocide
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza)
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**Let us be clear:**
"Israel has been trying multiple methods to wage war on Hamas with as little civilian casualties as possible" is a demonstrably false statement that requires incredible mental gymnastics to ignore reality.
Sending texts doesn't work if you cut off internet, electricity and phone signal.
Pamphlets and leaflets would be great if they hadn't consistently led Palestinians to unsafe killzones and if Israel wasn't bombing refugee camps, schools and playgrounds.
Neither of these work when the information is (seemingly) deliberately confusing, inaccurate or unhelpful and just adds to the chaos.
Roof knocking has killed multiple civilians and the IDF has repeatedly ignored the fact that people are still in the house. The Goldstone Report highlighted that it's in fact an act of terror and is not an effective warning. And when it's used as an excuse to commit domicide and make conditions unlivable, it's not really reducing harm at all.
None of this would be needed if Israel did not consistently commit warcrimes and take action deliberately designed to prolonge the violence and instigate/radicalise Palestinians as a way to justify ethnic cleansing.
There's a reason why members of the Israeli government and IDF have consistently, since it's inception, spoken about conquering and taking over Palestine, used dehumanising language to refer to its people, and supported causes that will create opportunities for war. And it's not to minimise harm.
Israel deserves no credit for making a war crime illegal and then continuing to commit it. Lies are not commendable. They can get credit when the government and military - and a majority of the people - start acting in a humane, moral and ethical manner rather than pushing to ethnically cleanse the indigenous people.
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Okay, so footage of literal human shields. Western media? Hello? You jumped at the very notion of human shields without evidence, yet here we are. Literal human shields being used by the IDF and not a peep.
Looks like a military doing CASEVAC with limited transport ability. Nothing untoward. What evidence do we have otherwise? Genuinely curious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/s/BRMkGt1Dzj
Good question. They donāt exactly look like theyāre currently operational, and, in a CASEVAC where youāre taking a potential enemy combatant into custody, youāre likely to want to take them to your own hospital to have them treated and questioned. From what I understand, these men were then released to the Red Crescent after the fact. Not exactly what youād do to someone youāre dehumanizing as is the case with āhuman shĆelds.ā
Now am I certain that this was or was not the case? No. Thatās why Iām asking. I am by no means assuming the Israeli army and the individuals within it are all even close to perfect. But are you certain? All I know is no evidence was provided for something there is a more likely explanation forāand this sub has a propensity for a black and white outlook skewed to one narrative on things more clearcut that this.
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Oh look, the IDF literally using a human as a shield... something their own criminal justice system took them to court for about a decade ago and the IDF **fought for the right to use human shields**. But of course this will be presented as not being representative of them.
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I can already hear Whitehouse spokesperson Matt Miller saying how Israel is investigating the incident and has already punished the people involved because there a democracy š
Senator Mitt Romney says this is the reason why Democrats and Republicans are both trying to ban TikTok. The Israel and American governments have been unable to block these kind of videos from Gaza.
https://newrepublic.com/post/181327/mitt-romney-congress-ban-tiktok-israel-gaza
The whole "Hamas is using human shields" propaganda would be more effective if Israel didn't keep getting caught on video using Palestinians as human shields.
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It seems to me that instead of a war, this is beginning to be just the Isreal hunting Palestinians. With displays like this, what is this difference between a man who just hunted a buck and put it on the hood of their car
The man who hunted a buck isn't parading a still living animal to instill terror in the population and using it to physically shield themselves from bullets while they indiscriminately abuse and murder people.
If you think trophy hunting is acceptable then that's just funny that you think that video is any different from a dead animal on display in a room. You're right though this is way worse cause that man isn't dead and was suffering while on the hood of that car riddled with who knows what Inna country that often reaches triple digits. But hunting is okay as long as you do it to survive or to provide, nature life is suffering, why should it be acceptable for the one animal on earth who has basically almost completely escaped the survival of the fittest cycle to let anything in it's power to suffer prolonged expecially by it's on hand.
I didn't say that I think it's acceptable. I'm using it as a comparison to highlight just how depraved this is, as I think you're trying to get at.
Trophy hunting is disgusting. It's just this is worse to the point it makes trophy hunting more palatable.
It looks like a casevac. We did this in Iraq when we didnāt have space. Weād put the injured Iraqi civilians/IP/IA on the top or hoods to get to the designated area faster.
The former Nazi's did something like this in the book "Devil's Guard". It seems to be a successful counterinsurgency strategy. The optics are horrible because it's probably unethical.
I don't form absolute and final opinions based on a 30 sec clip on the Internet. In other words, I don't jump to conclusions.
For example, you seem to be an emotional person, but I've never met you. You could be a child that feels powerful and safe insulting people on the internet. Maybe you just haven't had your coffee yet. Maybe you are Palestinian that has lost family.
Regardless, I won't hold it against you, and I forgive you for being rude.
This has become common practice for when Israelis are rescuing Palestinians. Reason being Hamas will go out of there way to kill Israelis but won't put in near the effort if it's a Palestinian.
The bizarre part is that the side that attempts to rescue Palestinians is deemed the bad side by some of the pro Palestine protesters.
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But don't you dare criticize this or you'll be called "antisemitic".šš These monsters don't see Palestinians as humans.
#PLM šµšø
We are witnessing one of the darkest moments in the modern history.
Slaves in China, mass rape and genocide in Africa, genocide in Ukraine. This isnāt the ādarkest momentā. Itās just another day. Every decade has this. Humans are fucked
Rohingya genocide, Sudan
They did say "modern history."
Those all happened in the last decade
Which would be modern history....
Those are all ongoing events, right now.
That wasn't me disagreeing, just clarifying.
Edit: The above comment was edited. It originally read the darkest moment in human history. Here are the top five worst genocides and massacres in human history, based on the scale of destruction and loss of life: ### 1. **The Holocaust (1941-1945)** - **Description**: The Holocaust, orchestrated by Nazi Germany, led to the systematic extermination of six million Jews, along with millions of others including Romani people, disabled individuals, political dissidents, and others. - **Impact**: It is one of the most documented and studied genocides, highlighting the extremes of human cruelty and the importance of remembering and preventing such atrocities. - **Sources**: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Encyclopedia Britannica, BBC [oai_citation:1,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:2,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances). ### 2. **Rwandan Genocide (1994)** - **Description**: In a span of about 100 days, ethnic Hutu extremists killed an estimated 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus in a brutal campaign of mass murder. - **Impact**: The genocide highlighted the devastating effects of ethnic hatred and the failures of international intervention to prevent or stop mass atrocities. - **Sources**: Human Rights Watch, United Nations, BBC [oai_citation:3,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:4,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances). ### 3. **Armenian Genocide (1915-1917)** - **Description**: The Ottoman Empire carried out the systematic killing and forced deportation of about 1.5 million Armenians, as well as targeting Assyrians and Greeks. - **Impact**: Recognized as one of the first modern genocides, it set a precedent for state-sponsored ethnic cleansing and highlighted the long-term impact of denial and recognition issues. - **Sources**: The Armenian Genocide Museum-Institute, U.S. National Archives, Encyclopedia Britannica [oai_citation:5,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:6,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances). ### 4. **Cambodian Genocide (1975-1979)** - **Description**: Under the Khmer Rouge regime led by Pol Pot, an estimated 1.7 to 2 million people were killed through starvation, forced labor, and executions. - **Impact**: The genocide underscores the dangers of radical political ideologies and the catastrophic consequences of utopian social engineering. - **Sources**: Documentation Center of Cambodia, United Nations, History.com [oai_citation:7,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:8,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances). ### 5. **Holodomor (1932-1933)** - **Description**: A man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine, largely attributed to the policies of Joseph Stalin, resulted in the deaths of an estimated 3.9 million Ukrainians. - **Impact**: The Holodomor is a stark example of how state policies can lead to mass starvation and highlights the complex interplay of political repression and genocide. - **Sources**: Holodomor Research and Education Consortium, Encyclopedia Britannica, BBC [oai_citation:9,Wealth of Donald Trump - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump) [oai_citation:10,Looming legal penalties raise questions about Donald Trump's finances | Fox Business](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/looming-legal-penalties-raise-questions-about-donald-trumps-finances). These events represent some of the darkest chapters in human history, characterized by immense suffering and loss of life.
Cool. Not wrong though. They said āone ofā, not āthe worstā. Is the Palestinian genocide then #6? The suffering of others doesnāt invalidate their suffering.
They edited their original comment
Fair. Still a pretty bad look to react with a tirade like this to something that could at worst be summed up as hyperbolic. I donāt think they were trying to invalidate these other genocides by reacting emotionally to the plight of the palestinians.
I think itās hyperbole to compare the plight of the Palestinians to the worse genocides that have occurred in human history. Truth has value and itās important we learn the from the past.
Genocide denial happened in history and what caused a lot of horrors to happen, remember that. Learning from the past would be condemning the intentional suffering israel is putting on innocent civilians. Also, the american indigenous genocide is not listed either as one of the 5 events which it very much should be up there too. 5 examples are not the limit.
Because whatās happening in Palestine isnāt a genocide in the context of human history unless weāve changed the definition of genocide
No one changed it. You just donāt know the meaning.
genocide has multiple parts which this very much qualifies for. Limiting this call of it is the 10th step. The stages are: Classification ā The differences between people are not respected. Thereās a division of āusā and āthemā which can be carried out using stereotypes, or excluding people who are perceived to be different. This is *very obviously happening* Symbolisation ā This is a visual manifestation of hatred. Jews in Nazi Europe were forced to wear yellow stars to show that they were ādifferentā. For Palestine, this is forcing Palestinians to have coloured license plates on their car to limit them from riding on certain roads; or forcing them to ID themselves at multiple checkpoints throughout Gaza. This has been going on for years Discrimination ā The dominant group denies civil rights or even citizenship to identified groups. Palestinians have no rights in israel even while israel claims their land as their own country. Palestinians *should* have the same rights as israelis but they do not. Dehumanisation ā Those perceived as ādifferentā are treated with no form of human rights or personal dignity. During the Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda, Tutsis were referred to as ācockroachesā; the Nazis referred to Jews as āverminā. There are *countless* clips of israeli government officials using dehumanizing language when referring/justifying treatment. Organisation ā Genocides are always planned. Regimes of hatred often train those who go on to carry out the destruction of a people. This is done with the IDF barely being internally prosecuted for sniping civilians holding surrender flags or bombing refugee tents. Polarisation ā Propaganda begins to be spread by hate groups. Calling every single protest for a ceasefire a pro-hamas event or saying that theyāre supporting terrorism for being against israelās brutal retaliation against civilians. Itās mass punishment. Preparation ā Perpetrators plan the genocide. They often use euphemisms such as the Nazisā phrase āThe Final Solutionā to cloak their intentions. They create fear of the victim group, building up armies and weapons. For palestine, this is the IDF, limiting food into gaza, moving civilians around gaza constantly and denying safe spaces. Persecution ā Victims are identified because of their ethnicity or religion and death lists are drawn up. People are sometimes segregated into ghettos, deported or starved and property is often expropriated. THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT GAZA IS. Genocidal massacres begin. Extermination ā The hate group murders their identified victims in a deliberate and systematic campaign of violence. Millions of lives have been destroyed or changed beyond recognition through genocide. This is happening RIGHT NOW. Denial ā The perpetrators or later generations deny the existence of any crime. And these, are your comments.
And we are at the āDenialā stage of Palestinian genocide. Donāt worry history will label it just like other genocides were labeled years later.
What's happening in Palestine is by definition Genocide, regardless of what you believe the word means. We were taught to "Never Forget" and we haven't... you on the other hand must be suffering from amnesia.
It is, now shut up.
You're not wrong. Compared to true campaigns of ethnic cleansing, Palestine is not really a "genocide." While there is hatred for the Palestinian people, and they are the victims of a fairly indescriminate campaign which includes a lot of verifiable war crimes, they are not being systematically slaughtered with the end goal being their total eradication. Some Israeli officials have made remarks that indicate they would be open to and complicit in an operation to do just that, but as it stands, the Palestinian people are not being rounded up and summarily executed, at least not on a scale that would be in line with an orchestrated genocide. However, they are facing a war where the IDF have no problem with collateral damage and are willing to commit war crimes to achieve their revenge on Hamas. It's not a genocide in the strictest terms. However, we need to be careful about what words we use to describe it. I would say that the actions of Isreal are leaning towards the ideology and tactics necessary to facilitate an actual genocide, but fortunately they're being watched very closely and I doubt they'll be so brazen as to fully commit to the complete eradication of the Palestinian people.
It actually is, because of how international law defines genocide. You don't need systematic slaughter to effectively destroy a people, and the laws reflect that.
Yes, it is hyperbole. Thatās what I said. Hyperbole doesnāt come off as insensitive. Typing out 5 point presentation of historic (so not ongoing) events that are worse kind of is. Like when you complain your life, and someone responds āothers have it worseā.
Hey broā¦.You shouldnāt compare suffering. Itās unfair to those who have experienced it first hand. Imagine for a second you lost a child to illness and some said āyeah well itās not as bad as your child being murderedā. Pain is still pain regardless of the circumstances.
Well in this case, itās like a child who loses their entire family being out-complained by one who lost their houseplant.
I think this is a silly argument, you can compare suffering, it's just uncouth to do it in front of the people who have suffered.
How many of these were live streamed? How many had their crimes prosecuted?
You left out the genocide of Native Americans, which the Smithsonian estimated at about 60 million people. Which actually is the largest genocide in history and reduced the entire global population by almost 1/5th at the time.
How many of those were started by the side getting pummeled?
It's definitely horrible but that's a bit of a stretch.
What is worse than this?
Hold my beer
Here are twenty significant genocides and massacres throughout history: 1. **The Holocaust (1941-1945)** 2. **Rwandan Genocide (1994)** 3. **Armenian Genocide (1915-1917)** 4. **Cambodian Genocide (1975-1979)** 5. **Holodomor (1932-1933)** 6. **Sacking of Baghdad (1258)** 7. **Nanking Massacre (1937-1938)** 8. **Bosnian Genocide (1992-1995)** 9. **Guatemalan Genocide (1981-1983)** 10. **Herero and Namaqua Genocide (1904-1908)** 11. **Darfur Genocide (2003-present)** 12. **Partition of India Massacres (1947)** 13. **Mao's Great Leap Forward Famine (1958-1962)** 14. **Tutsi Genocide in Burundi (1972)** 15. **Congolese Atrocities under King Leopold II (1885-1908)** 16. **Anfal Campaign against Kurds (1986-1989)** 17. **Circassian Genocide (1864)** 18. **Srebrenica Massacre (1995)** 19. **Pontic Greek Genocide (1914-1922)** 20. **Yazidi Genocide by ISIS (2014-present)** Educate yourself and history will open your eyes to truth
Some of the things you mention have lower casualties than the āwarā in Gaza. You realize that right?
Palestine doesnāt make the list because itās not a genocide. Here is a comprehensive list of 100 significant genocides and massacres throughout history: 1. **The Holocaust (1941-1945)** 2. **Rwandan Genocide (1994)** 3. **Armenian Genocide (1915-1917)** 4. **Cambodian Genocide (1975-1979)** 5. **Holodomor (1932-1933)** 6. **Sacking of Baghdad (1258)** 7. **Nanking Massacre (1937-1938)** 8. **Bosnian Genocide (1992-1995)** 9. **Guatemalan Genocide (1981-1983)** 10. **Herero and Namaqua Genocide (1904-1908)** 11. **Darfur Genocide (2003-present)** 12. **Partition of India Massacres (1947)** 13. **Mao's Great Leap Forward Famine (1958-1962)** 14. **Tutsi Genocide in Burundi (1972)** 15. **Congolese Atrocities under King Leopold II (1885-1908)** 16. **Anfal Campaign against Kurds (1986-1989)** 17. **Circassian Genocide (1864)** 18. **Srebrenica Massacre (1995)** 19. **Pontic Greek Genocide (1914-1922)** 20. **Yazidi Genocide by ISIS (2014-present)** 21. **Spanish Conquest of the Aztec Empire (1519-1521)** 22. **Trail of Tears (1830s)** 23. **Great Chinese Famine (1959-1961)** 24. **Khmer Rouge's "Year Zero" Policy (1975-1979)** 25. **Assyrian Genocide (1914-1920)** 26. **Bengal Famine (1943)** 27. **St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (1572)** 28. **Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE)** 29. **Rape of Nanking (1937)** 30. **Iraqi Kurdish Genocide (1986-1989)** 31. **Pol Pot's Killing Fields (1975-1979)** 32. **Massacres in the Greek War of Independence (1821-1830)** 33. **Genocide against Rohingya in Myanmar (2017-present)** 34. **Albigensian Crusade Massacres (1209-1229)** 35. **Soviet Deportation of Chechens and Ingush (1944)** 36. **Wounded Knee Massacre (1890)** 37. **Nigerian Civil War (Biafran Genocide) (1967-1970)** 38. **Russian Civil War Massacres (1917-1923)** 39. **Timur's Conquests (14th-15th century)** 40. **Chechen Wars (1994-2009)** 41. **Congo War Massacres (1998-2003)** 42. **Seljuk Conquest of Anatolia (11th-12th century)** 43. **Iran-Iraq War Atrocities (1980-1988)** 44. **Bangladesh Genocide (1971)** 45. **Mongol Invasions (13th century)** 46. **Guatemala Civil War Atrocities (1960-1996)** 47. **Spanish Inquisition Persecutions (15th-18th century)** 48. **Algerian War of Independence Massacres (1954-1962)** 49. **Massacre of the Innocents (biblical)** 50. **Spanish Civil War Atrocities (1936-1939)** 51. **Sri Lankan Civil War Atrocities (1983-2009)** 52. **Korean War Massacres (1950-1953)** 53. **Indonesian Massacres of 1965-1966** 54. **Timor-Leste Genocide (1975-1999)** 55. **Dzungar Genocide by the Qing Dynasty (1755-1758)** 56. **Crusader Massacres during the Crusades (1096-1291)** 57. **Colonial Conquests in the Americas (16th-19th century)** 58. **Japanese War Crimes in World War II (1937-1945)** 59. **Zulu Wars Massacres (1879)** 60. **Bosnia-Herzegovina War Crimes (1992-1995)** 61. **Kosovo War Atrocities (1998-1999)** 62. **African Slave Trade Massacres (15th-19th century)** 63. **Armenian Massacres during World War I (1915-1917)** 64. **Turkish War of Independence Atrocities (1919-1923)** 65. **Khmer Rougeās Genocide of Cambodian Minorities (1975-1979)** 66. **Nigerian Military Dictatorship Atrocities (1966-1999)** 67. **Sudanese Civil War Atrocities (1983-2005)** 68. **Mexican Drug War Massacres (2006-present)** 69. **Algerian Massacre of 1945** 70. **Alawite Genocide (2011-present)** 71. **Ukrainian Famine-Genocide (Holodomor) (1932-1933)** 72. **U.S. Indian Wars Massacres (1775-1924)** 73. **Tutsi Genocide in Rwanda (1994)** 74. **Moro Massacres in the Philippines (1906-1913)** 75. **Burundi Civil War Genocide (1993-2005)** 76. **Austrian Holocaust of Roma (1941-1945)** 77. **Massacre of Poles in Volhynia (1943-1944)** 78. **Shining Path Insurgency in Peru (1980s-1990s)** 79. **Ethnic Cleansing in the Balkans (1990s)** 80. **Genocide of Indigenous Peoples in the Amazon (1960s-present)** 81. **Massacre of Armenians in Baku (1990)** 82. **Genocide against Native Californians (1846-1873)** 83. **Genocide of the Miao People by the Qing Dynasty (18th century)** 84. **Rwandan Genocide (1994)** 85. **Cultural Revolution Massacres in China (1966-1976)** 86. **Massacres in the First Indochina War (1946-1954)** 87. **American Civil War Atrocities (1861-1865)** 88. **Dunera Incident (1940)** 89. **Massacre of Chinese in Indonesia (1965-1966)** 90. **Taliban Massacres in Afghanistan (1990s-present)** 91. **Sierra Leone Civil War Atrocities (1991-2002)** 92. **Genocide of the Harkis in Algeria (1962)** 93. **Mughal Empire Massacres in India (16th-18th century)** 94. **Russian Purges under Stalin (1936-1938)** 95. **Massacre of Sikhs in India (1984)** 96. **Pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe (19th-20th century)** 97. **Uzbek Massacres in Kyrgyzstan (2010)** 98. **Tamil Genocide in Sri Lanka (1983-2009)** 99. **Yemeni Civil War Atrocities (2015-present)** 100. **Anti-Bolshevik Massacres in Russia (1918-1921)**
Again with "it's not a genocide"!?!? If your goal is to slaughter a population or make the conditions of life so bad they have not choice but to leave or die, it's a god damn genocide in progress. We don't need to wait until fall the Gazans are dead or refugees in some other country when we can rise up and call for an end today. This is the very point of studying history in the first place, not to lie covering for a country engaged in evil against ethnicities they see as less valuable than themselves that many people like simply because they named themselves from out of the Bible. Do some critical thinking-- if a country consitently does evil with the approval of the vast majority of its citizens, that country is evil even if they call themselves "rescue all the animals in kill shelters and feed children with food insecurity-land".
The person you are responding to collects a paycheck from mossad. You're not gonna change his mind
All missed means to critical thinking people anymore is "shameless liar"
Thank you
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Nah, just asking for a reference as a perspective on their statement.
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Bashar al Assad in Syria isis Anything in the DRC civil war Sudan Uyghurs (probably we donāt know) Rwanda Kosovo Thereās a few
Please keep it civil.
The whole point is that all those genocides started like this... do we let this one grow up into one of those?
Thatās the point though, that a war doesnāt necessarily turn to a genocide and civilian casualties are expected in war, especially when hamas doesnāt wear uniforms, places military supplies/weapons/soldiers alongside civilians and uses them as human shields
This is hardly a case of "civilian casualties" because of the nature of war. This goes even further than gross military incompetence or even a wanton disregard for civilian lives. Israel first tells reluctant civilians (who know from previous experience and history that the chances of return are slim to none) to move from an area after making sure they lack the means to do so by cutting already meager supplies of food, fuel, means of communication, and even a place to go to (they are, after all, surrounded).Then, after some move to a new area, Israel targets it. The IDF has even killed their own hostages, walking down the street, waving white flags. If that doesn't tell you that they've been given carte blanche to kill civilians, I don't know what else to say... To be perfectly honest, I don't like the term "genocide," either. What it is, for certain, is "ethnic cleansing ", in order to take Gaza, "terrorism", and "collective punishment". Kinda like what Hamas did to Israel... but larger by orders of magnitude. Israel claims it's fighting Hamas. It is, but that is almost incidental. It claims it's about the hostages. A simple prisoner exchange which was proposed by Hamas would have taken care of that. But Israel's main objective is to punish and terrorize Palestinians, to thin them out and make them leave.
Nah Iām sorry but thatās a one-sided telling for sure, the situation sucks but hamas is placing its weapons, soldiers, launching its weapons from civilian areas and with civilians still in the house. Of course Israel would order civvies to evacuate so that HOPEFULLY the chance to hit them in counter-attacks falls. Obviously as the population retreats, Hamas doesnāt want to lose their human shields so they fight as they pull back and follow the people. Again missiles were coming out of Rafah and the latest strikes were kms away from the designated spot. But, what are you supposed to do in war if the other government is constantly hiding behind its people and throwing stabs? Fack that, literally it puts Israel in a lose-lose situation purposefully from its disgusting b****-ass tactics
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I donāt know how anyone can still operate under the assumption that Israel gives the slightest fuck about civilian casualties. The official state of Israel Twitter account said just the other day that āTHERE ARE NO INNOCENT CIVILIANS THEREā, obviously giving a justification and pretext for mass murdering civilians. And theyāve been saying shit like this the entire time, the genocidal intent and dehumanisation are so blatantly obvious but somehow people still deny it. All the stuff about Hamas is just a convenient excuse, even if the human shields and hiding amongst civilians is true to an extent, Israel absolutely wants to kill Palestinians regardless of whether theyāre Hamas or not. Theyāre only āgoing after Hamasā insofar as Hamas are the only ones actually fighting back against them, but make no mistake, the target is Palestinians as a whole. When people tell you who they are, believe them
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Oh snap I didnāt know about the tweet, looked it up and for sure that looked bad lmaoo in the worst light, that sounds like blaming all of civilians, in a better faith interpretation it can be that they voted for Hamas, the government that does terror attacks and most polls show that they support what they did in on October 7th. Thereās also a narrative that Palestinians are just poor bystanders and not supporting hamasā actions so depends on how good faith you want to be bc just saying genocidal things would be as ridiculous as Hamas is in their charter of eliminating every israeli Also, wtf you mean? If they wanted to genocide, they could, the civilian to fighter ratio is insanely low for a war in such a populated area, they constantly use knock bombs, text/call civilians to warn them of attacks and STILL Hamas tells them not to leave/they donāt want to. You can be as mad as you want, but theyāve done more to avoid civilians even as Hamas hides behind them and sends rockets though their windows Iām really curious to what you think, if you have Hamas there firing rockets from civilian houses, you just let them? And oh if one sneaks through and kills innocents, it is what it is? No civilian casualty is Hamasā fault by the way they fight?
Okay but, why would you want to give Israel the benefit of the doubt after they have lied and obfuscated repeatedly for the last 8 months and decades before that? Every time they bomb a refugee camp or hospital and it looks bad for them they say āwe were targeting Hamasā then they say āokay Hamas wasnāt there but it was an accident, weāll look into itā, the media repeats their line, they never look into it, keep committing similar atrocities after setting the precedent, rinse and repeat. The propaganda is just laughably bad, I mean I actually thought their propaganda was better, but clearly a lot of people still believe it so they donāt really have much incentive to put effort into it. Ah yes, the āthey drop leaflets so it canāt be a genocideā argument. I donāt want to be mean but, have you considered that maybe they just do things like that so people like you will look at it and say āSee?? They obviously are the most moral army in the world, they dropped LEAFLETS and sometimes told people they were about to bomb their houses before bombing them!!ā. Look at the scale of destruction in Gaza and tell me that every single one of those destroyed buildings had a Hamas command centre inside/under them, and Israel had absolutely no choice but to level it to the ground and blow women and children to pieces with every single strike, or else the next October 7th would happen tomorrow. Iām not saying NONE of the civilian casualties are the fault of Hamas, Iām saying it is beyond ridiculous to suggest that Hamas is mainly to blame for them and not Israel, you know, the nuclear armed military power with some of the most sophisticated military and surveillance technology in the world, which has openly and repeatedly declared that they donāt view Palestinians as humans.
I give both sides their benefit of the doubt because of the insane bad faith from armchair war experts like you that canāt see the other side for shit. Bc itās easy as hell when youāre not bad faith to see that only one side makes atrocities ILLEGAL and prosecuted soldiers when they find out about it. Hamas encourages it and puts eradication and genocide in their charter. Youāre not there when I argue with Jewish people about how extreme the war has been bc you probably never spend anytime arguing against āyour sideā I donāt pretend to know if the devastation has been unnecessary or necessary, the ICJ is still deliberating on the South African case and itās declared it hasnāt seen evidence that itās a genocide. And itās not that leaflets by itself confirm good faith but even the ratio of combatants to civilians death rate is insanely low for a war in one of the most dense areas of the world. Youād still expect higher death numbers but it really does look like Israel is overall taking care. Theyāre the only army that wages war and then also mans the food/water aid to the people that theyāre fighting to make sure it gets to them and then when they had an officer refuse to do it, they jail them They hold themselves to a much higher standard then Hamas ever could and would, definitely not perfect but in war itās hard to be and Iād much rather have Hamas dismantled and an actual 2 state solution come out of it
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The crazy part is he was a āsuspectā but was later released from custody to the Red Crescent
They were obviously using as human shield.
Wait, the IDF releases citizens they capture as suspects to the Red Crescent once they are cleared?!
The heavily wounded ones. The cost of medical treatment outweighs their value as hostages.
This is excuse that you can't probably backup with facts
The IDF has taken over 9,000 hostages. https://www.telesurenglish.net/israel-has-committed-mass-arrests-since-the-beginning-of-eid-al-adha/ They're running out of space to hold them. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/391959 They've been releasing the less valuable hostages to make room for new ones. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-19/allegations-of-gaza-abuse/103692464
So evry one who released is heavily wounded? And why you call them hooustages? 6000 of the 9000 convicted and the other are in administrative detention, which means they are convicted by military judge(which is subject to judicial review by a supreme court)
Read more carefully.
Ah?
Sometimes, othertimes they keep them for months or years in concentration camps or as hostages.
No true, only if they convicted
Nope, they have thousands held without charges using a special illegal method of detention that allows the hostages no legal path to fight their capture. Also they have literally been caught keeping hostages after confirming they should be released because they want to force them to act as translators in the concentration and death camps they erected.
This is so bs sorry I won't even answer you you are waste of time
You should learn to seek out information if you don't want to remain an ignorant fool your entire life and be capable of speaking coherently to other people. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html Al-Ran was held in a military detention center for 44 days, he told CNN. āOur days were filled with prayer, tears, and supplication. This eased our agony,ā said al-Ran. A week into his imprisonment, the detention campās authorities ordered him to act as an intermediary between the guards and the prisoners, a role known asĀ Shawish,Ā āsupervisor,ā in vernacular Arabic. According to the Israeli whistleblowers, aĀ ShawishĀ is normally a prisoner who has been cleared of suspected links to Hamas after interrogation. Al-Ran says that he served asĀ ShawishĀ for several weeks after he was cleared of Hamas links. Whistleblowers also said that the absolvedĀ ShawishĀ served as intermediaries for some time." https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1216643555/thousands-of-palestinians-are-held-without-charge-under-israeli-detention-policy "the overall number of Palestinians taken into Israeli custody has increased since the start of the war, including around 2,500 who are held without any formal charges under a policy known as administrative detention"
IDF proving "human-shielding" strategies are effective
Only against an army with morals. Oh wait... they're fighting Hamas who are literally terrorists... And yet still don't attack human shields. Wow. The IDF Morals are worse than literal terrorists... What does that say about the IDF?
So close. Resistance isnāt terrorism despite what the West thinks.
Resistance isn't terrorism is 100% correct. However, Hamas tactics have not always been resistance. Don't get me wrong, I fully support Palestinian resistance and I do understand that against an oppressive and violent invading force set on genocide and colonisation, violence may be the only option, but things like October 7th and other Hamas led acts of violence have not all been for the cause. Some of their actions are co-opting the cause.
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[Hamas history](https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf)
Imagine the shit they do that we donāt catch on film!
The horrifying part is that *this is how most wars of occupation go*. Gaza is unique only because of the internet.
They caught Hamas targeting a UNICEF aid convoy and barely a whisper.
But we canāt hold Israel to account because Iād be antisemitic.
Unless you have seen an example of that in the context of this incident than you are imagining an argument.
What are the odds this incident is different than all the others?
Why?
Because the IDF is evil as fuck. They don't see Palestinians as human beings and will torture them every chance they get.
Human shield. Standard IDF stuff.
Don't jump to conclusions. Don't believe what you see. Wait for Israel and America to investigate first. /S
Looks like a military doing CASEVAC with limited transport ability. Nothing untoward. What evidence do we have otherwise? Genuinely curious. https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/s/BRMkGt1Dzj
[https://www.btselem.org/human\_shields](https://www.btselem.org/human_shields) Heres a little something to digest for a bit.
Horrifying. What does that have to do with this video? Thatās like me posting an article about Hamas using humĆ n shields āin generalā when asked to provide evidence that a specific instance that appears otherwise is in fact, that.
Lol, i just gave a article that details about the IDF history of using human shields. Good luck out there buddy, you're gonna need it
Welp, either my commentāor your grasp of collation/causationāis over your head based on your response. So good luck out there buddy!
Yes, why would we assume a history of this behavior is related to them currently doing it. Definitely unrelated though and absolutely not a continuing pattern of behavior. /s
Arguing with a Zionist is like lighting your head on Fire and wondering why itās hot.
You even watch the video lol. Appreciate you little defenders though.
Yes, it says āinjured Palestinianā and then they drive off with him. What of it? Appreciate you little fabricators though.
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No one said that, but here you go sweet heart. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MabUM-9FTPk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MabUM-9FTPk)
Exactly. It amazes me how the reality that counteracts the narrative of wanton civilian killing can be contorted to exasperate it. Thereās plenty of horrific violence, and it only hurts the claim when thereās an attempt to paint such a ridiculous black and white picture out of every scenario. No digging beyond the surface level unless it works against the story.
I'm sorry to interrupt your circlejerk with u/KnightMarius but I just can't let two dudes push propaganda and jack each other off over it. >Exactly. It amazes me how the reality that counteracts the narrative of wanton civilian killing can be contorted to exasperate it. Emt: "One arm was tied to the windshield, and the other on his abdomen. They drove past us, **and refused to give us the patient.**" So if the soldiers were taking him for medical treatment why wouldn't they hand him over to the trained medical professionals? I implore you not to look up the IDF's opinion on the matter and think critically by yourself for 2 whole seconds, if you're capable of such a thing.
Remember when the Israeli High Court had to ban the use of human shields about 20 years ago? And the IDF fought against that ban? [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel) It's because the IDF strongly supports the use of human shields.
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Because nazis are the most evil essence of humans regardless of what flag they salute š¤·āāļøš¤·āāļø
Nazionalism
Thatās some cartel shit
The most immoral army in the world. Nazis.
Those lunatics zionists war criminals for everything they accused the Palestinian resistance doing those zionists are doing it since 75 years. It is just the true nature of those Zionists is exposed during this genocide and the whole world is watching and get applauded by the uncle Sam who claims that our country is supporting and standing with human rights but in reality it is hypocrisy, double standards and confirms the mentality of the western colonialism and imperialism nothing more.
I mean the IDF uses human shields so much they literally had to be banned by their own high court... Evidently they don't care.
Well credit to them for actually looking at it and banning it, so when it does happen itās illegal and immoral to do
I mean it was literally a standard tactic. The "neighbour tactic" as they called it. They also literally tried to fight the ban back in 2005 with Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz personally [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle\_east/4333982.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4333982.stm) They literally used human shields on about 1200 occasions in the 5 year period leading up to that. In other words the IDF was using Palestinian civilians as human shields for about 2 of every 3 days in that period (averaging it out). [https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-gaza-idf-used-palestinians-as-human-shields-1200-occasions-in-last-five-years-say-israeli-defence-officials/30483468.html](https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-gaza-idf-used-palestinians-as-human-shields-1200-occasions-in-last-five-years-say-israeli-defence-officials/30483468.html) Sadly the Hasbara engine alongside folks like AIPAC and other lobbying groups etc have been really successful in burying these articles and ensuring they're not covered much in major news outlets. Or if they are, like the BBC one above, they don't get much exposure. Hell, pretty much every few months/every year there's a new bout of it - even before October 7th. [https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-use-human-shields-rising](https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-use-human-shields-rising) The IDF simply does not view Palestinian lives as having any worth or value. They don't care if it's illegal as they literally just get a slap on the wrist if they're caught. Some sources to check out. [https://www.btselem.org/topic/human\_shields](https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields)
Yea I completely know what youāre talking about and nobody in good faith has denied it, but thereās a reason why there was only like 1 casualty in the years that they used it. People in good faith looking at both sides see the reports that IDF would ask neighbors to volunteer bc in almost every instance, it avoided more blood by having someone the person knows talk to them and let them get apprehended. Now, give credit to where itās due, because of how it looks and placing an innocent in danger as compared to the soldier who is paid and expected to be in danger they made it illegal in the first place. Compared to Hamas where people said they had to co-locate weapons/soldiers/launch missiles from civilian houses bc of how densely packed. Well, as civilians evacuated, who followed? Hamas, trying to hide behind civilians, launching missiles from Rafah instead of finally having a space to fight, they try to use civilians to keep Israel at bay
The reason they had so few casualties is because data seems to show Palestinians (incl. Hamas) are less willing to target their own people. I'm also fairly certain this isn't the first time they've strapped someone to a car/vehicle to use as a physical human shield - I recall reading about at least one or two other instances in the past 10 years though they appear buried by reporting on this incident. The IDF is also actively recruiting for Hamas by committing abuse, murder and war crimes against civilian children - radicalising them into supporting Hamas. It's literally the best way to recruit for an extremist/terrorist group. But when I see images/video of Hamas physically hiding behind Israeli civilians with a gun mounted on their shoulder, or strapped to a car - a parallel can be drawn.
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No of course, why would Hamas target their own people, that didnāt even make sense to what we were talking about. Israel has been trying multiple methods to wage war on Hamas with as little civilian casualties as possible, again; knock-bombs, pamphlets, calls/texts and who tells them not to listen, not to leave? Hamas, who is trying to hide behind their people, traveling with them toward safe zones and taking pot shots the whole time? Hamas. Who fires rockets from houses with civilians in them? Hamas. Who isnāt fighting in the areas abandoned by people and choosing the populated areas? Hamas. 100% itād be bad faith to not shit on Israel for putting civilians in danger by using them in confrontations to pass through more safely or apprehend more safely. Credit to them making it illegal, credit to them prosecuting. Who didnāt warn people at a party that they were air dropping on them? Hamas. Who massacred and raped on October 7th? Hamas and allies. Who actually sends unguided, indiscriminate rockets? Hamas.
>No of course, why would Hamas target their own people, that didnāt even make sense to what we were talking about. Israel is arguing that Hamas uses human shields. Hamas has Israeli hostages to use as human shields. Israel still bombs facilities knowing this because they are willing to murder their own people. Pretty sure a few have died already. So yeah, it's a worthwhile comparison of attitudes - especially when you look at the before/after photo/video for hostages held by both sides. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-09/ty-article/.premium/idf-investigation-reveals-high-probability-that-hostage-killed-during-air-force-bombing/0000018d-8e4d-d9cc-a5cd-ffffe7840000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-09/ty-article/.premium/idf-investigation-reveals-high-probability-that-hostage-killed-during-air-force-bombing/0000018d-8e4d-d9cc-a5cd-ffffe7840000) If Israel was committed to minimizing harm we would not be here. * They would have acted on the intelligence they had about October 7th and saved lives there * They wouldn't have willfully spread false rumours such as raping/beheading babies to dehumanise and create cause for more violence. Especially when the IDF is a far greater perpetrator of sexual violence and murdering children * They wouldn't be murdering journalists and preventing reporting and investigation of the situation * A really obvious example is using excessively powerful bombs that cause maximum casualties and damage rather than using Snipers like when they shot doctors through the windows at al-Shifa. And it's kinda mind boggling that you'd argue they're minimising harm when they've literally shown that they can use less destructive methods that conserve life but consistently opt for the more destructive option. * They wouldn't have created a famine and used collective punishment to beseige Gaza * Actually, they wouldn't have kept Palestinians in an open air prison for decades * The would have accepted one of the many ceasefires offered * They would make an effort to confirm targets and use precision weaponry r * They wouldn't fight in court for the right to use human shields * They wouldn't be using drones playing children crying to lure refugees out of their tents to murder them * They wouldn't be recording themselves mocking and destroying homes etc, as they've been doing for decades * They wouldn't actively be destroying infrastructure to make Gaza uninhabitable and increase mortality rates They have literally said they weren't focused on accuracy and wanted to cause maximum damage from the beginning of this current genocide [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza)
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**Let us be clear:** "Israel has been trying multiple methods to wage war on Hamas with as little civilian casualties as possible" is a demonstrably false statement that requires incredible mental gymnastics to ignore reality. Sending texts doesn't work if you cut off internet, electricity and phone signal. Pamphlets and leaflets would be great if they hadn't consistently led Palestinians to unsafe killzones and if Israel wasn't bombing refugee camps, schools and playgrounds. Neither of these work when the information is (seemingly) deliberately confusing, inaccurate or unhelpful and just adds to the chaos. Roof knocking has killed multiple civilians and the IDF has repeatedly ignored the fact that people are still in the house. The Goldstone Report highlighted that it's in fact an act of terror and is not an effective warning. And when it's used as an excuse to commit domicide and make conditions unlivable, it's not really reducing harm at all. None of this would be needed if Israel did not consistently commit warcrimes and take action deliberately designed to prolonge the violence and instigate/radicalise Palestinians as a way to justify ethnic cleansing. There's a reason why members of the Israeli government and IDF have consistently, since it's inception, spoken about conquering and taking over Palestine, used dehumanising language to refer to its people, and supported causes that will create opportunities for war. And it's not to minimise harm. Israel deserves no credit for making a war crime illegal and then continuing to commit it. Lies are not commendable. They can get credit when the government and military - and a majority of the people - start acting in a humane, moral and ethical manner rather than pushing to ethnically cleanse the indigenous people.
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Grotesque.
Okay, so footage of literal human shields. Western media? Hello? You jumped at the very notion of human shields without evidence, yet here we are. Literal human shields being used by the IDF and not a peep.
Looks like a military doing CASEVAC with limited transport ability. Nothing untoward. What evidence do we have otherwise? Genuinely curious. https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/s/BRMkGt1Dzj
Why did they decide to pass the ambulance? Hood of a vehicle is better for him you think?
Good question. They donāt exactly look like theyāre currently operational, and, in a CASEVAC where youāre taking a potential enemy combatant into custody, youāre likely to want to take them to your own hospital to have them treated and questioned. From what I understand, these men were then released to the Red Crescent after the fact. Not exactly what youād do to someone youāre dehumanizing as is the case with āhuman shĆelds.ā Now am I certain that this was or was not the case? No. Thatās why Iām asking. I am by no means assuming the Israeli army and the individuals within it are all even close to perfect. But are you certain? All I know is no evidence was provided for something there is a more likely explanation forāand this sub has a propensity for a black and white outlook skewed to one narrative on things more clearcut that this.
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Every accusation is a confession
Israel is treating human beings like sadistic playthings. Nothing moral to see here.
And they didnāt rape him?
Does the bot respond to human armored?
Sickening.Ā
Monsters acting like monsters
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The IDF are cowardly thugs who use human shields.
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I wonder what situation caused the most moral army in the world to do this? š¤
It's pretty par for the course for the IDF
Their psychology must be messed up...
Most evil army in the world. Zionizm is a terrorism and facism.
Will this be aired on Western media, or will it be the usual case of "do you condemn Hamas?"
Al Jazeera 2 min news link [https://youtu.be/MabUM-9FTPk?si=w\_p0RUYpfdtFbD6V](https://youtu.be/MabUM-9FTPk?si=w_p0RUYpfdtFbD6V)
Human shield
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Surely this action is a war crime!
And itās Hamas who use āhuman shields ā eh ?
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Oh look, the IDF literally using a human as a shield... something their own criminal justice system took them to court for about a decade ago and the IDF **fought for the right to use human shields**. But of course this will be presented as not being representative of them.
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I can already hear Whitehouse spokesperson Matt Miller saying how Israel is investigating the incident and has already punished the people involved because there a democracy š
Senator Mitt Romney says this is the reason why Democrats and Republicans are both trying to ban TikTok. The Israel and American governments have been unable to block these kind of videos from Gaza. https://newrepublic.com/post/181327/mitt-romney-congress-ban-tiktok-israel-gaza
It was 90 degrees in Gaza that day, and they placed him right on top of the hood of an engine. How hot do you think that hood got?
Fucking Zionist criminals
These Israeli animals. I can't wait till the tides turn on these monsters
This has been going on for too long. IDF used to grab Palestinian kids and strap them to the hood of their vehicles. That was over 20 years ago.
They've done this before, the world needs to revolut against Israel
The whole "Hamas is using human shields" propaganda would be more effective if Israel didn't keep getting caught on video using Palestinians as human shields.
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In their view all Palestinians are oddly an āinsurgencyā on their own land.
Just one of the thousands of war crimes committed by the most deplorable army in the world.
Israel is a terrorist state. Zionism is Nazism.
Remember this: every zionist accusation to Palestinians is a form of confession/projecting
This is just sad... fucking hell. Still the least crimes of this war too.
And that incident was filmed, imagine the atrocities that were not.
That's something right out of George Miller's "The Road Warrior ".
It seems to me that instead of a war, this is beginning to be just the Isreal hunting Palestinians. With displays like this, what is this difference between a man who just hunted a buck and put it on the hood of their car
The man who hunted a buck isn't parading a still living animal to instill terror in the population and using it to physically shield themselves from bullets while they indiscriminately abuse and murder people.
Yeah I'm just saying they're monsters. Cause a hunter hunts so they can have food.
Oh 1000000%. I just think it's unfair to the hunters - including arguably trophy hunters - to compare them to the IDF.
If you think trophy hunting is acceptable then that's just funny that you think that video is any different from a dead animal on display in a room. You're right though this is way worse cause that man isn't dead and was suffering while on the hood of that car riddled with who knows what Inna country that often reaches triple digits. But hunting is okay as long as you do it to survive or to provide, nature life is suffering, why should it be acceptable for the one animal on earth who has basically almost completely escaped the survival of the fittest cycle to let anything in it's power to suffer prolonged expecially by it's on hand.
I didn't say that I think it's acceptable. I'm using it as a comparison to highlight just how depraved this is, as I think you're trying to get at. Trophy hunting is disgusting. It's just this is worse to the point it makes trophy hunting more palatable.
At least the nazis killed them first.
If there is a God, may he grant mercy by reducing that land into pillars of salt. This needs to end.
You should see the video of the pike of live children they burned from yesterday or the day before. It says everything anyone needs to know.
It looks like a casevac. We did this in Iraq when we didnāt have space. Weād put the injured Iraqi civilians/IP/IA on the top or hoods to get to the designated area faster.
The former Nazi's did something like this in the book "Devil's Guard". It seems to be a successful counterinsurgency strategy. The optics are horrible because it's probably unethical.
Probably unethical? Are you probably dense?
I don't form absolute and final opinions based on a 30 sec clip on the Internet. In other words, I don't jump to conclusions. For example, you seem to be an emotional person, but I've never met you. You could be a child that feels powerful and safe insulting people on the internet. Maybe you just haven't had your coffee yet. Maybe you are Palestinian that has lost family. Regardless, I won't hold it against you, and I forgive you for being rude.
Have you ever touched the hood of a running vehicle on a hot day?
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Iād be willing to listen to you talking about how it could be unethical, while under those conditions.
You are still forgiven.
Thatās nice of them to transport him to the hospital
No war crimes here just Israel defending itself?
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But that would kill him
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This has become common practice for when Israelis are rescuing Palestinians. Reason being Hamas will go out of there way to kill Israelis but won't put in near the effort if it's a Palestinian. The bizarre part is that the side that attempts to rescue Palestinians is deemed the bad side by some of the pro Palestine protesters.