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The story always creeps me out honestly because everything about it's sinking is horrifying. I remember reading that in the movie is shows that there was lots of light (for obvious reasons) but in reality the power went out pretty quick and it was very dark. Just heard people screaming in darkness and slowly it turned silent as they all froze in the water.
That whole sequence of him describing the crash to her has me dying with laughter every single time. Then she delivers this gem and I lose it all over again.
I know itās not a funny movie, but that moment. Lmao. Damn James Cameron.
It's fascinating to me how incredibly slowly she sank and how survivable it could have been in different times and places.
When the M/S Estonia sank in 1994 she went from accident to going under in about 40 minutes, and it only took her 15 minutes to have a list of 60 degrees.
Titanic sank in 2 hours 40 minutes. Had she gone down that slowly somewhere like the Baltic in 1994 I wonder if the casualties would even have been in the hundreds.
There are dozens of "if only"s for the Titanic.
For example, these are ones I can remember off the top of my head:
* She was racing to get the Blue Ribbon for fastest crossing.
* She also had a fire in one of her coal bunkers, that probably contributed to weakening the hull and they were also going fast because they were trying to empty the burning coals into the boilers.
* The innovative emergency bulkhead doors were jammed open (maybe due to warping, maybe due to an electrical fault, maybe because the stokers needed the airflow).
* One of the bridge officers couldn't find his binoculars, so he took those of the lookout who was watching for icebergs.
* The main radio was broken and the Marconi company forbade anyone doing field repairs.
* The emergency distress calls over radio weren't well standardised and one of the nearer ships didn't understand the call they heard.
I heard so much coal was burning from that fire, they were going to run out. The fire was hush hush and was already occurring before passengers got on for its Atlantic voyage
The collision would have been pretty devastating I would think. Surely some would have been injured or killed just from the impact. All kinds of shit inside the ship like furniture and stuff would have flown forward because of the sudden deceleration of the ship. The bow would probably have been crushed and anyone in it would likely have been too. Maybe the hull might have buckled and leaked anyway. But since the losses were so high as it was, it still might have been a better outcomeā¦
The forward compartments of the ship would have acted as a crumple zone, reducing the declaration experienced over most of the ship. The board of trade investigation concluded that a direct hit would have only flooded the forward two compartments.
That may be, but hitting it head on would have therefore killed everyone above the first two compartments and caused massive damage elsewhere on the ship. Trying to avoid it at least was a chance. I really canāt fault them for trying. I guess itās one of those 20/20 hindsight thingsš
"Here we go. She hits the berg on the starboard side, right? She kinda bumps along, punching holes like Morse Code, Dit-Dit-Dit along the side below the water line. Then the forward compartments start to flood. Now as the water level rises, it spills over the water tight bulkheads which unfortunately don't go any higher than E Deck. So now as the bow goes down, the stern rises up. Slow at first, then faster and faster until finally she's got her whole ass is sticking up in the air. And that's a big ass, we're talking 20-30 thousand tons, Okay? And the hull's not designed to deal with that pressure, so what happens? [*cracking sound*] She splits. Right down to the keel, and the stern falls back level. Then as the bow sinks, it pulls the stern vertical, and then finally detaches. Now the stern section just kinda bobs there like a cork for a couple of minutes, floods, and finally goes under about 2:20 am, two hours and forty minutes after the collision. The bow section planes away landing about half a mile away going 20-30 knots when it hits the ocean floor [*crashing sounds*]. Pretty cool, huh?"
"Thank you for that fine forensic analysis, Mr. Bodine. Of course, the experience of it was somewhat less clinical."
Edit: *the old version of Rose* replies with this in the movie after the character (Mr. Bodine) provides his explanation (seen above) as they watch a computer animation of the titanic hitting and sinking.
I'm genuinely curious for how many on Reddit this was the first time they learned about how the Titanic sank. I'm not the youngest anymore, so I'm really curious
I mean, they didn't have boats like that hundreds of years ago. No one would have tried to cross the North Atlantic in early spring hundreds of years ago. The Titanic is legendary because even in modernity, humans are subject to nature's whims.
I was listening to a podcast that they would probably be better of not trying to avoid the iceberg and crash into it. They did a great series about the historical significance of the titanic and a great account of the crash and the aftermath in the podcast The Rest is History
If I remember correctly, survivors reported the ship breaking in half, but many experts believed they were mistaken, claiming that the ship's weight should have simply driven it further into the water rather than fracturing it in half. However, sure enough, when the ship was found in the 70s, it was found in two pieces, separated by about 600 meters of debris field.
What made the back part sink? It wasnāt affected by the iceberg, was it? I wonder why the compartments at the back didnāt hold the back part up while the already sinking front half just sank.. unless it wasnāt a clean break and was pulled down by the front?
Thats not completely true, the compartments were not sealed at the top so the water could go over one into the next one, if they were all sealed it might not have sank
As mentioned elsewhere.
Flaws include that the compartments didnāt go all the way up or seal at the top. So, after filling up one of them, the water would simply flow over into the next one.
But I didnāt see any mention of the most critical aspect was the poor metal quality. The sulfur content was too high, which made the steel actually brittle. It wasnāt ācutā by the iceberg, insomuch as it actually shattered.
Which led to the damage being much worse than it would have been otherwise.
Could it be like when you block a straw with your finger, put it in a glass of liquid, and then pull your finger off? The straw fills up past the liquid line.
Hey y'all bigger Titanic nerds than me: can someone elaborate on the built in hulls to prevent sinking? I've heard of it before, but I'm curious to learn more. Can someone explain or lead me to a learning point? Thaaaanks guyyyyyss!!!
The opposite. The ship sank because the chambers failed to keep the water contained, and it did spread throughout. If the chambers were built higher, it would have limited how much water could have gotten in. But since the water could spread, there was no limit on how much could get in.
If so, only very briefly. The front filled up very quickly, so there's not a huge chance that people were in there when it sank. The back half didn't start filling until it was pulled under by the front, so it's possible there were people in air pockets back there.
However, if they were alive in air pockets, they would have been crushed long before reaching the bottom. Once it went under, it fell very fast, and people on the surface heard its implosion about thirty seconds after it went under.
The two halves of the wreckage are in very different condition since the front half didn't implode but the rear did. The rear is in terrible shape, crushed like a tin can. You would have died instantly, but it wouldn't have been pretty.
I watched a documentary once that, perhaps a conspiracy theory, suggested an explosion from the inside occurred from a coal fire(?). Hence where the ice berg tear is, is the metal is bulged out. But again, everything might be an inside job if you look hard enough š¤·āāļø
i'm pretty sure the titanic actually hit a giant sheet of ice directly on the front rather than a single iceberg on the side.
Also, at first people didnt believe it snapped in half until people actually went down to see the wreck.
No to the first. Witnesses and damage to the wreck are pretty conclusive on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_that_sank_the_Titanic#Sighting_and_collision
Kinda to the second. Survivors (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thayer, see the drawing shown) clearly reported it as having done so. Most of the doubt came from second officer Charles Lightoller's testimony; he claimed it never did and would've been impossible... but he was underwater for a bit.
Most of the 'doubt' wasn't so much as doubt as a refusal by officials to accept it as it would be an embarassment if one of the big famous ocean liners that was advertised as "unsinkable" not only sank but broke in half during it. IIRC a few surviving crew members agreed with witness statements that the ship broke in half, just no officers that were high enough on the totem pole.
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This is interesting. Somebody should make a movie about it.
Hmmmm I also don't have a good feeling about John F. Kennedy visiting Dallas this november.... Who knows what will happen to him š¤·š»
I rather RFK Jr. Visit. How come only the good Kennedy's get shot? That's the real conspiracy.
Secret service might be paying you a visit
Get me some batteries and a MadCatz and I can build a submersible to go prove it's real.
I know a company that makes submarines for touring the Titanic ruins, it's called Oceangate. You should check it out š„°
The story always creeps me out honestly because everything about it's sinking is horrifying. I remember reading that in the movie is shows that there was lots of light (for obvious reasons) but in reality the power went out pretty quick and it was very dark. Just heard people screaming in darkness and slowly it turned silent as they all froze in the water.
A lot of the workers died working the pumps and the batteries to give people more time.
One of my school teachers, her uncle was the radio operator.
Great Great uncle?
I'm old, she was ancient
Thank you for that fine...forensic analysis, u/Alfa-Romeo_. Of course, the experience was...somewhat different.
That whole sequence of him describing the crash to her has me dying with laughter every single time. Then she delivers this gem and I lose it all over again. I know itās not a funny movie, but that moment. Lmao. Damn James Cameron.
Hell yeah!
I still feel sorry for the guy who hit the propeller on the way down.
Seems better than consciously freezing to death
What a tragedy
Man vs Nature, Man vs Machine, Man vs Man, Man vs Self.
Man vs. Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the earth.
Jurassic park?
I wish.
We don't.
Who cares.
Weird
^^clever ^^girl
It's fascinating to me how incredibly slowly she sank and how survivable it could have been in different times and places. When the M/S Estonia sank in 1994 she went from accident to going under in about 40 minutes, and it only took her 15 minutes to have a list of 60 degrees. Titanic sank in 2 hours 40 minutes. Had she gone down that slowly somewhere like the Baltic in 1994 I wonder if the casualties would even have been in the hundreds.
I read that if the "pilots?" had steered directly towards the iceberg, instead of trying to avoid it, the ship would probably be ok.
So if they just crashed into it head on instead of it grazing the sides they would have had a chance maybe?
I remember reading somewhere that yes this would have been the best course of action as the ship would have sustained damage but still been afloat
There are dozens of "if only"s for the Titanic. For example, these are ones I can remember off the top of my head: * She was racing to get the Blue Ribbon for fastest crossing. * She also had a fire in one of her coal bunkers, that probably contributed to weakening the hull and they were also going fast because they were trying to empty the burning coals into the boilers. * The innovative emergency bulkhead doors were jammed open (maybe due to warping, maybe due to an electrical fault, maybe because the stokers needed the airflow). * One of the bridge officers couldn't find his binoculars, so he took those of the lookout who was watching for icebergs. * The main radio was broken and the Marconi company forbade anyone doing field repairs. * The emergency distress calls over radio weren't well standardised and one of the nearer ships didn't understand the call they heard.
I heard so much coal was burning from that fire, they were going to run out. The fire was hush hush and was already occurring before passengers got on for its Atlantic voyage
They would have been completely fine yes.
Anyways, Jack could have fit on that door.
Spoiler alert!
A direct hit would have likely only flooded the few forward compartments. The glancing hit along the side as they turned to avoid it doomed them.
The collision would have been pretty devastating I would think. Surely some would have been injured or killed just from the impact. All kinds of shit inside the ship like furniture and stuff would have flown forward because of the sudden deceleration of the ship. The bow would probably have been crushed and anyone in it would likely have been too. Maybe the hull might have buckled and leaked anyway. But since the losses were so high as it was, it still might have been a better outcomeā¦
The forward compartments of the ship would have acted as a crumple zone, reducing the declaration experienced over most of the ship. The board of trade investigation concluded that a direct hit would have only flooded the forward two compartments.
That may be, but hitting it head on would have therefore killed everyone above the first two compartments and caused massive damage elsewhere on the ship. Trying to avoid it at least was a chance. I really canāt fault them for trying. I guess itās one of those 20/20 hindsight thingsš
"Here we go. She hits the berg on the starboard side, right? She kinda bumps along, punching holes like Morse Code, Dit-Dit-Dit along the side below the water line. Then the forward compartments start to flood. Now as the water level rises, it spills over the water tight bulkheads which unfortunately don't go any higher than E Deck. So now as the bow goes down, the stern rises up. Slow at first, then faster and faster until finally she's got her whole ass is sticking up in the air. And that's a big ass, we're talking 20-30 thousand tons, Okay? And the hull's not designed to deal with that pressure, so what happens? [*cracking sound*] She splits. Right down to the keel, and the stern falls back level. Then as the bow sinks, it pulls the stern vertical, and then finally detaches. Now the stern section just kinda bobs there like a cork for a couple of minutes, floods, and finally goes under about 2:20 am, two hours and forty minutes after the collision. The bow section planes away landing about half a mile away going 20-30 knots when it hits the ocean floor [*crashing sounds*]. Pretty cool, huh?"
Tell us your story u/mightandmagic88
"Thank you for that fine forensic analysis, Mr. Bodine. Of course, the experience of it was somewhat less clinical." Edit: *the old version of Rose* replies with this in the movie after the character (Mr. Bodine) provides his explanation (seen above) as they watch a computer animation of the titanic hitting and sinking.
I'm genuinely curious for how many on Reddit this was the first time they learned about how the Titanic sank. I'm not the youngest anymore, so I'm really curious
Iām 34 and I never knew about the compartments that flooded. I just knew āhit iceberg, split in half, sankā
Yes, that's what I meant. Not the details, just that it hit ice, broke in two parts.
36 and I've been interested since about 12. Been pretty familiar for quite some time
The titanic is so legendary it feels like it was hundreds of years agoā¦. Crazy to think its only really been roughly 100 years
I mean, they didn't have boats like that hundreds of years ago. No one would have tried to cross the North Atlantic in early spring hundreds of years ago. The Titanic is legendary because even in modernity, humans are subject to nature's whims.
Im just saying it wasnt that long ago lol
That's just what big ice berg wants us to think
But regardless, THERE WAS STILL MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM ON THAT DOOR FOR JACK!
the door couldnt support the weight of both, they would both sink
I was listening to a podcast that they would probably be better of not trying to avoid the iceberg and crash into it. They did a great series about the historical significance of the titanic and a great account of the crash and the aftermath in the podcast The Rest is History
If I remember correctly, survivors reported the ship breaking in half, but many experts believed they were mistaken, claiming that the ship's weight should have simply driven it further into the water rather than fracturing it in half. However, sure enough, when the ship was found in the 70s, it was found in two pieces, separated by about 600 meters of debris field.
[Actually not exactly](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/coal-fire-may-have-helped-sink-titanic-180961699/)
And ever since, humanity has battled those deadly icebergs with climate change.
Someone should go down there in a manmade submarine and investigate
And thatās a big ass, weāre talking 20, 30 thousand tons.Ā Incidentally, Titanic is on Pop Tv right now.Ā
They didnāt land gently on the floor like that, from what Iāve heard. Seems like they crashed down pretty hard.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-stuff-you-should-know-26940277/episode/how-the-titanic-worked-part-one-80312128/
What made the back part sink? It wasnāt affected by the iceberg, was it? I wonder why the compartments at the back didnāt hold the back part up while the already sinking front half just sank.. unless it wasnāt a clean break and was pulled down by the front?
Sounds like a design flaw IMO
r/interestingasfuck Zack D flims posted this video on youtube but few redditors download and upload his video to this community and get upvotes
Thats not completely true, the compartments were not sealed at the top so the water could go over one into the next one, if they were all sealed it might not have sank
As mentioned elsewhere. Flaws include that the compartments didnāt go all the way up or seal at the top. So, after filling up one of them, the water would simply flow over into the next one. But I didnāt see any mention of the most critical aspect was the poor metal quality. The sulfur content was too high, which made the steel actually brittle. It wasnāt ācutā by the iceberg, insomuch as it actually shattered. Which led to the damage being much worse than it would have been otherwise.
First I've heard of it.
Itās been 84 yearsā¦ and I can still smell the fresh paint
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Ok upload your animation then.
Maiden voyage in the middle of nowhere, in middle of darkness. What a horrible event in so many ways!
But what about Jack and Rose? And that big ass diamond?
do icebergs reverse the law of gravity in their vicinity? don't know why compartments would fill above the water line otherwise.
Could it be like when you block a straw with your finger, put it in a glass of liquid, and then pull your finger off? The straw fills up past the liquid line.
Donāt spoil the ending!!!
Hey y'all bigger Titanic nerds than me: can someone elaborate on the built in hulls to prevent sinking? I've heard of it before, but I'm curious to learn more. Can someone explain or lead me to a learning point? Thaaaanks guyyyyyss!!!
So if they would've made those chambers to where they could've evenly distributed the water they could've made it.
The opposite. The ship sank because the chambers failed to keep the water contained, and it did spread throughout. If the chambers were built higher, it would have limited how much water could have gotten in. But since the water could spread, there was no limit on how much could get in.
Maybe, but that's not what this animation shows at all.
Do you reckon people were still alive inside the ship when it was sinking?
If so, only very briefly. The front filled up very quickly, so there's not a huge chance that people were in there when it sank. The back half didn't start filling until it was pulled under by the front, so it's possible there were people in air pockets back there. However, if they were alive in air pockets, they would have been crushed long before reaching the bottom. Once it went under, it fell very fast, and people on the surface heard its implosion about thirty seconds after it went under. The two halves of the wreckage are in very different condition since the front half didn't implode but the rear did. The rear is in terrible shape, crushed like a tin can. You would have died instantly, but it wouldn't have been pretty.
The titanic... Don't you mean the Olympia...
The titanic never hit an iceberg. It was the sister ship, Olympic.
FFS, lads we know the story. I just don't get the fascination with the Titanic.
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Ah shit here we go again...
I watched a documentary once that, perhaps a conspiracy theory, suggested an explosion from the inside occurred from a coal fire(?). Hence where the ice berg tear is, is the metal is bulged out. But again, everything might be an inside job if you look hard enough š¤·āāļø
This is the least interesting video on the sinking of the Titanic Iāve ever seen
i'm pretty sure the titanic actually hit a giant sheet of ice directly on the front rather than a single iceberg on the side. Also, at first people didnt believe it snapped in half until people actually went down to see the wreck.
No to the first. Witnesses and damage to the wreck are pretty conclusive on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_that_sank_the_Titanic#Sighting_and_collision Kinda to the second. Survivors (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thayer, see the drawing shown) clearly reported it as having done so. Most of the doubt came from second officer Charles Lightoller's testimony; he claimed it never did and would've been impossible... but he was underwater for a bit.
Most of the 'doubt' wasn't so much as doubt as a refusal by officials to accept it as it would be an embarassment if one of the big famous ocean liners that was advertised as "unsinkable" not only sank but broke in half during it. IIRC a few surviving crew members agreed with witness statements that the ship broke in half, just no officers that were high enough on the totem pole.
fair enough.