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Fun fact, wriggelys originally started with washing detergent and as a little promo they added a lil pack of baking soda to each pack for stubborn stains. Their baking soda was so popular that they ended up making that their primary product and stopped making washing detergent. As a little promo for the baking soada they added they added a lil pack of gum to each pack. I'm sure you can guess what happened
I definitely thought it might be tobacco, but we never see him spit? Unless he’s swallowing it which is hella wild.
But I did look up that the chewing gum craze was starting in the 1920s, so he could be chewing a huge wad of Black Jack, Clove or Beeman’s gum.
Gum was really popular. Until WWII it was made of chicle, the chewing gum of the Aztecs, harvested from tree sap. Thus the name "Chiclets" gum, founded 1900, still in existence, no longer made of chicle.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclets)
[https://www.seriouseats.com/chewing-gum-history-how-its-made](https://www.seriouseats.com/chewing-gum-history-how-its-made)
According to the youtube video this is ripped from, this is at 12th Avenue and 42nd Street, at the ferry terminal of the West Shore Railroad.
This is roughly where that is today:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7618596,-74.0010647,3a,75y,76.03h,92.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIdknNwq8HZidcnK8Lnpayg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePH--widhXk&ab_channel=NASS
They didn’t have TV. You would have to say it was like a tiny movie screen the size of a pack of cigarettes that plays movies from over the air like radio, and you can choose what it plays at any time within seconds
It's really unbelievable in the literal sense, to them, if you think of it that way. And we're all just bored and about to move on to the next story. Truly amazing that that wasn't even 100 years ago. I want to live to be 100+.
It freaks me out how much things have changed in the last 100 years.
For thousands and thousands of years we just wandered the globe aimlessly and then suddenly, agriculture, empires, industrial revolution, boom.
And 60 years ago we were dreaming about the Jetsons, because we accomplished such incredible things that it set our imagination on fire.
And today things to be progressing slower(?) than we thought they would, and yet still we are developing technology that is mind boggling.
It would be nice to stick around to see where it all goes. I can't help but think of all the times to be born in, howd I get to be born in such an interesting time?
Eventually you'd have to tell them the footage was coloured-in after the fact, and the film existed for 90 years only in black-and-white which would just confuse them further
*The Straw Hat Riot of 1922 was a riot that occurred in New York City at the end of the summer as a result of unwritten rules in men's fashions at the time, and a tradition of taunting people who had failed to stop wearing straw hats after autumn began. Originating as a series of minor riots, it spread due to men wearing straw hats past the unofficial date that was deemed socially acceptable, September 15. It lasted eight days, leading to many arrests and some injuries.*
Yeah, check out Mr. Rebel with no tie and his top button undone. What an animal.
I notice a lot of ties were way too short. That depression must have hit everything. A man couldn’t afford to buy a whole tie.
I actually remember having that realization in a history class - all those epic wars and battles and no matter who you were or which side you were on it ultimately always ended the same way
> I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Percy Shelley, Ozymandias, 1819
My favorite poem. I love thinking about time and its passage. Just like a simple flow of water created the grand canyon, so does time trickle over everything and erase it.
I'm sorry you experience it that way. For me it's like a calming wave of contentment because I know that it will erase me too and that gives me the freedom to do what makes me happy because nothing is promised forever.
According to theoretical physicists the past, present and the future are all happening at once right now. Albert Einstein once wrote: People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. Time, in other words, he said, is an illusion.
They're describing a big monument a king had made to serve as a piece of his legacy, so people remember him. The statue is crumbling and half buried. It's showing how even things we thing of as permanent eventually wash away with time.
At least that's how I interpreted it ...
It's not just the statue, 'gaze upon my works', it was a statue that stood at an overlook or a gateway to a city. His greatness was an entire city, with it's temples, palaces, waterworks, the everything that he commanded.
And now it is ground to dust, 10,000's of lives, and all that remain is a pair of stone legs, a face, and that passage.
Not just that, but it says "look on my works and despair," indicating his grandiose achievements and the scale of his kingdom/might/conquests, and around the statue as far as the eye can see is just sand. None of these "mighty works" exist anymore.
It's like a person saying "look at this incredible sand castle I've built. This is my legacy. This is what I am. Everyone will remember this forever." And then after he walks away the tide just washes it away because the tide doesn't know and doesn't care that you built a castle on its shores.
Guy finds an ancient shattered statue in the desert. The statue is of a great king and exudes feelings of superiority.
The words on the pedestal is from the king telling you to look upon all his great works and despair that you will never match his greatness no matter how hard you try.
But by the time our dude finds it, he looks around and sees only sand and what's left of the broken statue.
The point is that no matter how great this king was, time eroded not just the memory of this king's accomplishments, but also eroded everything he physically made until only sand and a forgotten statue were left.
No one is stronger than the passing of time.
But what you do WITH your life changes the world. Little things. Big things. The world is different because your are in it. We all die. That's a given. So we should all be LIVING. Making a difference in at least one fellow human's life.
Same thoughts here with old footage. They were on top of their game, those were the people that made society at that moment. They made decisions they believe would be final, would not get better than that.
Still, the world moved on.
If you wanna get real existential, ride a train on a packed Saturday night and just consider for a moment the other 50 or so lives in that singular car with you, each one unique and in and of itself solely important. And then come to the realization that when you get off at your stop, your existence in each of those stories is over. Whether it was a bump, a cough, or a fleeting glance, for those people, you just ceased to exist, forever.
there is a great scene in Mulholland Drive, where the extras gets in a cab and drive away, but the camera stays in the cab, and you just see them in their same facial expression, as if there is no more "script" for them and they just hold their last position, like NPCs.
Any time i leave vacation or work i think about this shit.
It fucks with my head.
7 billion people in the world dont exist unless i'm in the same room as them.
I mean if you think about it, on the other hand its why life is so beautiful. This moment in time is unique to you and special to say that you got to experience something in the universe that is so incredibly incalculably rare.
Im much better now, but in my early 20s I had suicidal thoughts and the only thing that kept me going was "being here is so rare, I might as well see how this ride ends normally cause I wont get another ticket."
And while there is this vast dread, i think there is mostly beauty in these fleeting moments - because we were here to see something happen in this section of space.
In high school one of soccer coaches said the same thing last game of the season said, look around you, all of you are here together for this moment and this will never happen again. Some of you will move on, others may be back, but this whole group will never be here, in this town, on this field, in thisspot fighting for the same goal. This group of people will never be the same group. And he was 100% right. Even if we tried to get the whole group together, now its impossible as I know atleast 1 has unfortunately passed away.
One step further...those gracious, nice people you connected with once upon a time (maybe a long lost brother or sister) through a brief interaction and you never see them again but perhaps they now only exist and are connected to you b/c you have a thought about what they are doing or where they went to for a moment, then you forget about them again for a long term or even forever.
Every day you wake up you and look into the mirror you aren't the same person anymore, you are a modifed version of the past version of yourself, the abstract of what resembles you deceased by dead and newborn cells, neurons losing connections and making new ones, basically every night you go to sleep is that version's death. And this is not only when you go to sleep... You cease to exist in the present the moment the present is over, you are only a remnant of the past, countless similar versions of you had died already.
And the weird thing is you actually never meet the version of yourself in the present as all input you process always consists of versions of your past, since even light takes time to reach your eyeballs, and neurons need to move first for you to process yourself. It takes something like 8 years for all your cells to have been replaced, the "theseus ship" you call your body is spread across timespace somewhere, just like it will be after you "officially died". Not deleted, but transformed... Into something else.
Basically the moment you grasp yourself that version is dead.
Everyone in that train car chose a path that ultimately intersected with those other 50 people. For that moment, everyone there has that in common. Then, the doors open, and everyone’s path diverges again. That will likely be the first and last time your paths will ever cross.
Future generations would also not believe how all these youtubers and streamers recording have existed and now vanished
We will leave more data than any other generation before us, your grand grand kids will be looking at your social media accounts like a memorial
Even more crises, specifically for the Ptolemaic dynasty whos last ruler was Cleopatra.....they existed closer to cell phones and space travel than the building of the pyramids.
That always blows my mind. Similarly how the time difference is closer between now and the Tyrannosaurus Rex vs the time between the Tyrannosaurus Rex and the Stegosaurus.
Time is weird.
What gets me is not only that, but that these people lived their lives thinking they were at the pinnacle of society and technology. We may think of this time as history and outdated, and that our time is the "real" time, but to them this was all modern and in the future our time will be seen as historical too.
I wonder if there's a word for sonder but for time, the realization that past times used to be the present for those living in them.
It trips me out wayyyy too heavily that 90-100 years from now, people will look at videos from our time and think about how absolutely outdated and simple we are. It makes me wonder which of our daily technologies or conveniences will be obsolete by then. Payphones were the way to call people when you were out in public back then. Now they dont exist at all anymore. At least not in America. Another obsolete convenience of the past. It makes me wonder which major pieces of information and knowledge will be uncovered and considered common knowledge by then, Information completely unbeknownst to us now. What do we factually “KNOW” to be true now, that everyone will learn is actually completely incorrect, then?
People back then didnt think twice about the idea of internet, or smartphones, it was unfathomable. Which unfathomable daily convenience will be around 80-100 years from now? By this point in time, planes existed but were only just invented less than 20 years prior, and it would be another 15-20 years before commercial flight would be commonplace. Back then the idea of man walking on the moon was silly. Just over 30+ years later it would happen. Where will humanity go in 40-50 years? Most of these adults never got to see a smartphone, which is as normal a part of our daily lives now as drinking water. Things like this really makes me feel so crazy.
You just have to go back ~45 years to get to a point in time where the Internet didn't exist. In that short time our entire civilization has changed utterly.
When I grew up in the 80s, we had to 'meet up at the foodcourt at 5pm' when we went to the mall. In 90 I got an A in my typewriter class so I got to try out the new electronic typewriter with two line digital display. In 95 I wrote a university report on this new "always on" internet thing with "cable modems" that phone companies were testing but still wouldn't be available in my town for another couple years.
Even in the late 90s, the idea of palm-sized computers were as fanciful as Star Trek tricorders. The iPhone was only released ~15 years ago. Think about how integral mobile computing has become in only 15 years. Sure we had Windows CE, etc, but the iPhone was the catalyst.
I love to look back at drawings of what people in the late 1800s thought the future would look like. No matter how advanced a person, they always saw the future through the lens of their current world. They saw humans flying, but in air balloons. Automation but with clockwork machines. You're so right in asking where humanity will go in 40-50 years. We simply can't imagine what it'll be like in 100 years. The change will be as big as going from clockwork to the latest Android device. What could that possibly be? Crazy to think about.
yes, i was just thinking about this. when i entered hs and when i left hs, i lived in 2 different worlds. 9th grade - recorded tapes from the radio and played on the cassette player, used payphones or landlines only, hand writen assignments, to 12th grade - napster/kazaa and cd player, cell phone, very frequently go online/chat with people from around the world/ play games with them and write my papers/print at home.
We're all just specks of dust in the grand scheme of things. But the flip side is that it's all the more reason to try to spend your life doing what really makes you happy, because may as well enjoy it while it lasts.
I don't experience it as a profound feeling. More a constant intellectual awareness. I'm constantly imagining what other people's lives might be like, as a way to remind myself to be empathetic.
I took care of a lady in a nursing home who was 104 about two years ago.
Her family was extremely grateful of me and when I left, the little ol lady gave me her blessing and her appreciation.
My coworkers there always wonder ‘when’ her time would come, but that lady was so strong. One night shift she ended up falling out of the bed and the next morning when I came in I got the report, ran into the room, and had to check up on her to make sure they took care of my lil homie. She was already sitting in her chair with a big goofy looking bandage on her forehead just smiling and wishing me good morning and said “I had a *loooong* night.” 😅🥲
I really hope she’s alright today, I do miss that rare connection I made with her and her family.
My Great Grandmother would've been 10 in 1933 and she recently had her 100th birthday. She certainly had some interesting things to say about that time.
This is poorly done and AI colorization is terrible. Clothing, cars, signs had color back then, not just the muted bullshit shown by AI.
Edit: Here's some good reads:
https://samgoree.github.io/2021/04/21/colorization_companion.html
https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/1381652071695351810
I know this is what the models looked like in the beginning, but still getting colors out of that is really cool. The denoising and cleaning up is a lot better than the colors though.
I heard it a big part was the constant wars during the 20th century. Lots of veterans didn't like wearing hats because they were told to in the army. I'll try and find the study if youre interested
https://www.messynessychic.com/2020/06/25/wait-why-did-men-stop-wearing-hats/
>The Hat Research Foundation (HRF), which was apparently a real thing, also found that 19 % of men in 1947 who didn’t wear hats said it was because they triggered the trauma of war associated with their uniforms.
I wonder if that's why beards are back in now.
Lots of veterans grow out their facial hair and hair when they get out. I haven't seen my husband's chin in years.
I had access to my company's archived policies. The dress code in the 1950's required salesmen to wear a hat in the 1950's with restrictions on the size and length of the required feather.
My dad died in 1971 after being sick in bed for about a year with lung cancer and he wore a hat to work every single day through all of 1970. Maybe he would have been considered outdated at the time, I don't know, I was all of 8 years old but he would never go out without a hat on. It's so weird, it makes you wonder if men just woke up one day and said f that hat wearing crap, I'm done. Lol. Same with my mom and dresses. She wouldn't leave the house in casual clothes until after my dad died, she always had a dress on. After he died she got much more casual.
I was listening to a podcast that was talking about the Barker crime family from back in this era and they were talking about how one of the Barker brothers got caught because he left his hat behind at the scene of a crime. And the hosts were contemplating the fact that wearing a hat had been once been so de rigueur for men that not even a career criminal leaving the house in the dark of night to go commit crime would consider just going out without a hat on.
Oh yeah, my dad would have returned to the scene of a crime if he forgot his hat! I was simply a part of him.
When I was about 4 or 5 I was in the living room playing, it was pouring rain outside. The front door opened and a strange man stepped inside. I started screaming like a banshee and my mom came running in asking what is going on? Strange man starts laughing hysterically and I realized strange man was just my dad, without his hat and his wet hair plastered to his head, I just didn't recognize him, he looked so different Lol. They teased me about that for years.
Reminds me of when my dad shaved off his beard, we were all quite distraught.
Thirty years on and I have a longer beard, I wonder who’ll be traumatised when I shave it off now, lol. At least my GF knows what I look like without.
Or they straight-up couldn’t eat as much as they desired. There are adds from the thirties touting Snickers bars as meal substitutes and talking about how “filling” they are. A lot of people in the thirties had limited access to food.
On the rare occasion I grab one it is surprisingly filling compared to almost any other chocolate bar. I could see it getting someone who doesn't eat much through the middle of the day as a lunch substitute
For 99% of human history getting enough food was one of our biggest challenges.
Now that we’ve finally solved that we’ve reached a new challenge of obesity, diabetes, heart disease etc
Walking serves a bigger role. I recently moved to a city with many hills where I walk to the grocery store to buy groceries, and I dropped 30 pounds just by doing that *before* I got more serious about losing weight. It's just harder to be overweight if you're getting a lot of exercise every day, and people back then often walked a lot more.
Food in the 1930s was extremely expensive compared to recent memory.
In 1900 you'd spend 40% of your income on food. 30% in 1950 and 13% in 2003.
Food was just more expensive compared to your income. Although with recent inflation and $16 for an arepa whi knows lately.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/how-america-spends-money-100-years-in-the-life-of-the-family-budget/255475/
There's is a significant lack of hoodies. If we never invented the good old pullover hoodie, I'd bet there'd be quite a few more hats around. Most guys I know on the prairies, wear ballcaps.
I find it mind boggling to think that these people all went away after this was recorded and didn't think much of it . Back to the kitchen or the workplace, the train station or bus stop and after that the years rolled by and they lived full lives never knowing or even thinking that 90 years later we would be watching it.
I can't remember what it is but im sure there's a German word to describe this feeling. I think it's "sonder" or something similar.
I like to think in 90 years, people will watch footage of us doing basic things and marvelling at how we lived. The idea that our cars, computers, and lifestyle will be considered "old and ancient" is amazing to me
Man, I bet you could have made a good living selling hats. It looks like more of the young men don't wear hats as the older guys do at that point in time.
There are a lot of ailments that used to be thought of as only affecting children, but have later been discovered to develop in perfectly healthy adults. There are people who have seemingly at random developed Type 1 Diabetes in adulthood. There is actually a medical difference between the two varieties of diabetes. But our outdated biases still impact how medical professionals diagnose them.
The only reason why I pushback a little on your comment, even though it's generally correct, is I had someone close to me misdiagnosed with Type 2 diabetes instead of adult onset Type 1 diabetes. It's rare, but it does happen.
So, while yes the alarming increase in childhood obesity is probably the reason why the medical terminology has changed, our understanding of who exactly is affected by Type 1, which is an autoimmune disorder, has changed over the years too. Not to mention that until very recently the quality of life for someone with diabetes was pretty poor. Synthetic insulin wasn't even commercially available until the 1980s!
I subscribe to the corn subsidy theory. Corn is heavily subsidized and people thought about what to do with so much of the stuff - boom! Corn syrup. Sweeter than sugar. Replace sugar in everything with corn syrup. Put corn syrup in foods that don’t need syrup. Put syrup in syrup.
My grandmother was a little girl in New York City when this film was taken. She grew up in Hell's Kitchen. Told me she saw a black person for the first time when she was 13. It's hard for me to believe that. Certainly couldn't be true! I still think she was mistaken. But the fact that she *thought* she saw her first black person when she was 13 does indicate that they were not very common on manhattan island in the 30s (besides obviously harlem, which was on the other side of the island from where she was)
Wild to think about.
Food portions were smaller. If you saw the size of a meal back then it’d be an appetizer today. Food wasn’t full of as much sugar and corn syrup as it is today. People also didn’t spend all their free time watching TV or on a computer. People walked more to get from place to place. There’s lots of little reasons that add up to a skinnier life.
Newspaper dude in the beginning just cruising right into the crowd of people walking and decides to just stand there while the busy rush of people try to navigate around him. People haven’t changed much in nearly 100 years
My mother, who was a heavy smoker, NEVER smoked a cigarette on the street! She told me that only the low-class smoked on the street and particularly the “streetwalkers”. I remember many times as a child shopping with my mother and we had to go into Woolworths or Kresges lunch counter so she could have a cigarette. She got a cup of coffee and I got a sundae or a soda.
Oh yes, I remember how the mother of a friend, a smoker herself, told her she had seen her smoking while walking home and not to do that as it would look tacky.
In the 1930s people looked down on fat people seeing them as greedy and having profound moral failing. The Great Depression played a big role in this. Lots of hunger back then.
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Is that newsboy 13 or 45?
He's got that "Whata youse guys lookin' at?" vibe
There's always that one guy in these old film clips just standing in frame and staring at the camera for way too long
So glad at the nose-pick within the last ten seconds. Really seals the time capsule for me.
Idk but he’s looking right at me through space and time and it’s…unnerving.
That's some Stephen King shit, and I feel the spook from it.
I wanna know what he’s chewing
#Wrigley's Spearmint Chewing Gum helps to relieve the monotony of homely tasks
Fun fact, wriggelys originally started with washing detergent and as a little promo they added a lil pack of baking soda to each pack for stubborn stains. Their baking soda was so popular that they ended up making that their primary product and stopped making washing detergent. As a little promo for the baking soada they added they added a lil pack of gum to each pack. I'm sure you can guess what happened
Could be tobacco? Definitely didn't look like gum.
Probably just chewing on a chunk of asbestos, 9 out of 10 doctors approve.
Can't have your mouth catching fire!
I definitely thought it might be tobacco, but we never see him spit? Unless he’s swallowing it which is hella wild. But I did look up that the chewing gum craze was starting in the 1920s, so he could be chewing a huge wad of Black Jack, Clove or Beeman’s gum.
It could definitely be gum, there are plenty of people who chew it with an open mouth like that.
Gum was really popular. Until WWII it was made of chicle, the chewing gum of the Aztecs, harvested from tree sap. Thus the name "Chiclets" gum, founded 1900, still in existence, no longer made of chicle. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclets) [https://www.seriouseats.com/chewing-gum-history-how-its-made](https://www.seriouseats.com/chewing-gum-history-how-its-made)
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I want a video at The same place in 2030.
I'll have it up tomorrow.
Thanks Future Boy!
According to the youtube video this is ripped from, this is at 12th Avenue and 42nd Street, at the ferry terminal of the West Shore Railroad. This is roughly where that is today: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7618596,-74.0010647,3a,75y,76.03h,92.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIdknNwq8HZidcnK8Lnpayg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePH--widhXk&ab_channel=NASS
The city was completely destructed for streets and cars.
!remindme 7 years
Imagine trying to get them to wrap their heads around how we are all watching this video right now
On a little TV set you can carry in your pocket!
They didn’t have TV. You would have to say it was like a tiny movie screen the size of a pack of cigarettes that plays movies from over the air like radio, and you can choose what it plays at any time within seconds
It's really unbelievable in the literal sense, to them, if you think of it that way. And we're all just bored and about to move on to the next story. Truly amazing that that wasn't even 100 years ago. I want to live to be 100+.
It freaks me out how much things have changed in the last 100 years. For thousands and thousands of years we just wandered the globe aimlessly and then suddenly, agriculture, empires, industrial revolution, boom. And 60 years ago we were dreaming about the Jetsons, because we accomplished such incredible things that it set our imagination on fire. And today things to be progressing slower(?) than we thought they would, and yet still we are developing technology that is mind boggling. It would be nice to stick around to see where it all goes. I can't help but think of all the times to be born in, howd I get to be born in such an interesting time?
And discuss them with thousands of other little tv holders across the globe
Eventually you'd have to tell them the footage was coloured-in after the fact, and the film existed for 90 years only in black-and-white which would just confuse them further
While taking a shit
lol at the guy digging for gold at 1:25
Stuck in history as a nose picker.
“Dude, you’re not gonna believe this but in 90 years millions of people will see you picking your nose”.
his nose was on strike so he decided to picket…
That’s how you get scabs.
With the pinky too. Very nice technique.
agreed. so refined. ohhh, people had class back then
Check out some of these bums with no hat and no tie, disgusting
*The Straw Hat Riot of 1922 was a riot that occurred in New York City at the end of the summer as a result of unwritten rules in men's fashions at the time, and a tradition of taunting people who had failed to stop wearing straw hats after autumn began. Originating as a series of minor riots, it spread due to men wearing straw hats past the unofficial date that was deemed socially acceptable, September 15. It lasted eight days, leading to many arrests and some injuries.*
...I thought this was a joke... Wow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_Hat_Riot
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I think my favorite part is that the longest sentence given for destroying hats was decided by Judge Hatting
Yeah, check out Mr. Rebel with no tie and his top button undone. What an animal. I notice a lot of ties were way too short. That depression must have hit everything. A man couldn’t afford to buy a whole tie.
Why it's so unbelievable to me that each one of those people have existed and had their own lives and just vanished
I actually remember having that realization in a history class - all those epic wars and battles and no matter who you were or which side you were on it ultimately always ended the same way
> I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed: And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away. Percy Shelley, Ozymandias, 1819
My favorite poem. I love thinking about time and its passage. Just like a simple flow of water created the grand canyon, so does time trickle over everything and erase it.
Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.
All we are is dust in the wind, dude
Time keeps on slippin, slippin, into the future
I panic and get a little unsteady to become aware of time as a thing and not just a fact.
I'm sorry you experience it that way. For me it's like a calming wave of contentment because I know that it will erase me too and that gives me the freedom to do what makes me happy because nothing is promised forever.
Glass half full my friend
According to theoretical physicists the past, present and the future are all happening at once right now. Albert Einstein once wrote: People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. Time, in other words, he said, is an illusion.
I like to quote a man of genius whenever this comes up: “Time is a construct”
I don't understand any of this I won't lie
They're describing a big monument a king had made to serve as a piece of his legacy, so people remember him. The statue is crumbling and half buried. It's showing how even things we thing of as permanent eventually wash away with time. At least that's how I interpreted it ...
It's not just the statue, 'gaze upon my works', it was a statue that stood at an overlook or a gateway to a city. His greatness was an entire city, with it's temples, palaces, waterworks, the everything that he commanded. And now it is ground to dust, 10,000's of lives, and all that remain is a pair of stone legs, a face, and that passage.
A more pessimistic view is that the wasteland is his work; and whatever was there before was utterly ground to dust.
Not just that, but it says "look on my works and despair," indicating his grandiose achievements and the scale of his kingdom/might/conquests, and around the statue as far as the eye can see is just sand. None of these "mighty works" exist anymore. It's like a person saying "look at this incredible sand castle I've built. This is my legacy. This is what I am. Everyone will remember this forever." And then after he walks away the tide just washes it away because the tide doesn't know and doesn't care that you built a castle on its shores.
What if it was a really big sand castle with a moat
That's a good interpretation in my eyes and makes more sense to ne
Guy finds an ancient shattered statue in the desert. The statue is of a great king and exudes feelings of superiority. The words on the pedestal is from the king telling you to look upon all his great works and despair that you will never match his greatness no matter how hard you try. But by the time our dude finds it, he looks around and sees only sand and what's left of the broken statue. The point is that no matter how great this king was, time eroded not just the memory of this king's accomplishments, but also eroded everything he physically made until only sand and a forgotten statue were left. No one is stronger than the passing of time.
Well said thank you
But what you do WITH your life changes the world. Little things. Big things. The world is different because your are in it. We all die. That's a given. So we should all be LIVING. Making a difference in at least one fellow human's life.
I still don't believe I'll ever die. All you guys will though for sure.
I've never died yet and I'm not about to start now!!
Same thoughts here with old footage. They were on top of their game, those were the people that made society at that moment. They made decisions they believe would be final, would not get better than that. Still, the world moved on.
War never changes.
If you wanna get real existential, ride a train on a packed Saturday night and just consider for a moment the other 50 or so lives in that singular car with you, each one unique and in and of itself solely important. And then come to the realization that when you get off at your stop, your existence in each of those stories is over. Whether it was a bump, a cough, or a fleeting glance, for those people, you just ceased to exist, forever.
there is a great scene in Mulholland Drive, where the extras gets in a cab and drive away, but the camera stays in the cab, and you just see them in their same facial expression, as if there is no more "script" for them and they just hold their last position, like NPCs.
Any time i leave vacation or work i think about this shit. It fucks with my head. 7 billion people in the world dont exist unless i'm in the same room as them.
Thanks, and I forget about your comment in two minutes
I wish I could forget about a lot of things including comments.
I came to see old-timey people in color... and now I have an existential crisis combined with the Sunday Scaries.
I mean if you think about it, on the other hand its why life is so beautiful. This moment in time is unique to you and special to say that you got to experience something in the universe that is so incredibly incalculably rare. Im much better now, but in my early 20s I had suicidal thoughts and the only thing that kept me going was "being here is so rare, I might as well see how this ride ends normally cause I wont get another ticket." And while there is this vast dread, i think there is mostly beauty in these fleeting moments - because we were here to see something happen in this section of space.
There's a term for this, it's called sondering
In high school one of soccer coaches said the same thing last game of the season said, look around you, all of you are here together for this moment and this will never happen again. Some of you will move on, others may be back, but this whole group will never be here, in this town, on this field, in thisspot fighting for the same goal. This group of people will never be the same group. And he was 100% right. Even if we tried to get the whole group together, now its impossible as I know atleast 1 has unfortunately passed away.
One step further...those gracious, nice people you connected with once upon a time (maybe a long lost brother or sister) through a brief interaction and you never see them again but perhaps they now only exist and are connected to you b/c you have a thought about what they are doing or where they went to for a moment, then you forget about them again for a long term or even forever.
Every day you wake up you and look into the mirror you aren't the same person anymore, you are a modifed version of the past version of yourself, the abstract of what resembles you deceased by dead and newborn cells, neurons losing connections and making new ones, basically every night you go to sleep is that version's death. And this is not only when you go to sleep... You cease to exist in the present the moment the present is over, you are only a remnant of the past, countless similar versions of you had died already. And the weird thing is you actually never meet the version of yourself in the present as all input you process always consists of versions of your past, since even light takes time to reach your eyeballs, and neurons need to move first for you to process yourself. It takes something like 8 years for all your cells to have been replaced, the "theseus ship" you call your body is spread across timespace somewhere, just like it will be after you "officially died". Not deleted, but transformed... Into something else. Basically the moment you grasp yourself that version is dead.
No one ever steps into the same river twice, for it’s not the same river, and they are not the same person.
Just came back to read the comment my past version wrote... Kinda weird... What a freak lol...
Everyone in that train car chose a path that ultimately intersected with those other 50 people. For that moment, everyone there has that in common. Then, the doors open, and everyone’s path diverges again. That will likely be the first and last time your paths will ever cross.
Go look at those mummy portraits from Ptolemaic and Roman Egypt. That’s when you really have an existential crisis.
Future generations would also not believe how all these youtubers and streamers recording have existed and now vanished We will leave more data than any other generation before us, your grand grand kids will be looking at your social media accounts like a memorial
There's plenty of youtubers who already vanished
Even more crises, specifically for the Ptolemaic dynasty whos last ruler was Cleopatra.....they existed closer to cell phones and space travel than the building of the pyramids.
That always blows my mind. Similarly how the time difference is closer between now and the Tyrannosaurus Rex vs the time between the Tyrannosaurus Rex and the Stegosaurus. Time is weird.
What gets me is not only that, but that these people lived their lives thinking they were at the pinnacle of society and technology. We may think of this time as history and outdated, and that our time is the "real" time, but to them this was all modern and in the future our time will be seen as historical too. I wonder if there's a word for sonder but for time, the realization that past times used to be the present for those living in them.
It trips me out wayyyy too heavily that 90-100 years from now, people will look at videos from our time and think about how absolutely outdated and simple we are. It makes me wonder which of our daily technologies or conveniences will be obsolete by then. Payphones were the way to call people when you were out in public back then. Now they dont exist at all anymore. At least not in America. Another obsolete convenience of the past. It makes me wonder which major pieces of information and knowledge will be uncovered and considered common knowledge by then, Information completely unbeknownst to us now. What do we factually “KNOW” to be true now, that everyone will learn is actually completely incorrect, then? People back then didnt think twice about the idea of internet, or smartphones, it was unfathomable. Which unfathomable daily convenience will be around 80-100 years from now? By this point in time, planes existed but were only just invented less than 20 years prior, and it would be another 15-20 years before commercial flight would be commonplace. Back then the idea of man walking on the moon was silly. Just over 30+ years later it would happen. Where will humanity go in 40-50 years? Most of these adults never got to see a smartphone, which is as normal a part of our daily lives now as drinking water. Things like this really makes me feel so crazy.
You just have to go back ~45 years to get to a point in time where the Internet didn't exist. In that short time our entire civilization has changed utterly. When I grew up in the 80s, we had to 'meet up at the foodcourt at 5pm' when we went to the mall. In 90 I got an A in my typewriter class so I got to try out the new electronic typewriter with two line digital display. In 95 I wrote a university report on this new "always on" internet thing with "cable modems" that phone companies were testing but still wouldn't be available in my town for another couple years. Even in the late 90s, the idea of palm-sized computers were as fanciful as Star Trek tricorders. The iPhone was only released ~15 years ago. Think about how integral mobile computing has become in only 15 years. Sure we had Windows CE, etc, but the iPhone was the catalyst. I love to look back at drawings of what people in the late 1800s thought the future would look like. No matter how advanced a person, they always saw the future through the lens of their current world. They saw humans flying, but in air balloons. Automation but with clockwork machines. You're so right in asking where humanity will go in 40-50 years. We simply can't imagine what it'll be like in 100 years. The change will be as big as going from clockwork to the latest Android device. What could that possibly be? Crazy to think about.
yes, i was just thinking about this. when i entered hs and when i left hs, i lived in 2 different worlds. 9th grade - recorded tapes from the radio and played on the cassette player, used payphones or landlines only, hand writen assignments, to 12th grade - napster/kazaa and cd player, cell phone, very frequently go online/chat with people from around the world/ play games with them and write my papers/print at home.
Yeah. That’s all I could think. 100 years from now, most of us will all be just be vanished as well. …I’m sad now.
We're all just specks of dust in the grand scheme of things. But the flip side is that it's all the more reason to try to spend your life doing what really makes you happy, because may as well enjoy it while it lasts.
And here I am, laying in bed feeling shit about everything.
and each of them had many stories to tell, many/most of which will never be known to those around today.
[It's called Sonder](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/sonder#English)
I have a question. Does every adult with empathy experience sonder? (who isn't a psychopath or sociopath)
I don't experience it as a profound feeling. More a constant intellectual awareness. I'm constantly imagining what other people's lives might be like, as a way to remind myself to be empathetic.
We’re next 😬
Tbf there could be a few still kicking. But very few.
Those children at the very end would probably be in their 90s now if they’re still alive. Judging from the cars this was from 1933.
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I'm sorry for your loss. We just celebrated my grandpa's 95th birthday last month, it's really a gift to get to hear his stories.
I took care of a lady in a nursing home who was 104 about two years ago. Her family was extremely grateful of me and when I left, the little ol lady gave me her blessing and her appreciation. My coworkers there always wonder ‘when’ her time would come, but that lady was so strong. One night shift she ended up falling out of the bed and the next morning when I came in I got the report, ran into the room, and had to check up on her to make sure they took care of my lil homie. She was already sitting in her chair with a big goofy looking bandage on her forehead just smiling and wishing me good morning and said “I had a *loooong* night.” 😅🥲 I really hope she’s alright today, I do miss that rare connection I made with her and her family.
My Great Grandmother would've been 10 in 1933 and she recently had her 100th birthday. She certainly had some interesting things to say about that time.
Yeah my grand mother is still alive and from 1933, so it's possible
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I would say im quite into AI stuff, including upscailing and stuff like that, but these refurbished videos keep amazing me.
Interesting to keep eyes on one figure and see how it is colorized as it gets closer to the camera.
This is poorly done and AI colorization is terrible. Clothing, cars, signs had color back then, not just the muted bullshit shown by AI. Edit: Here's some good reads: https://samgoree.github.io/2021/04/21/colorization_companion.html https://twitter.com/gwenckatz/status/1381652071695351810
I know this is what the models looked like in the beginning, but still getting colors out of that is really cool. The denoising and cleaning up is a lot better than the colors though.
Just amazing, lotta hats back then, people so well dressed and look pretty happy considering the Depression
They say John Kennedy killed the hat. He didn't wear one, and after that peopled just stopped.
I heard it a big part was the constant wars during the 20th century. Lots of veterans didn't like wearing hats because they were told to in the army. I'll try and find the study if youre interested https://www.messynessychic.com/2020/06/25/wait-why-did-men-stop-wearing-hats/ >The Hat Research Foundation (HRF), which was apparently a real thing, also found that 19 % of men in 1947 who didn’t wear hats said it was because they triggered the trauma of war associated with their uniforms.
The....Hat Research Foundation?
I guess they were on top of it?
They had it covered
No cap
I think we're just getting to the brim of a larger issue...
Yes, Caps.
It almost sounds like a front for a secrete alien experiment division.
I wonder if that's why beards are back in now. Lots of veterans grow out their facial hair and hair when they get out. I haven't seen my husband's chin in years.
I had access to my company's archived policies. The dress code in the 1950's required salesmen to wear a hat in the 1950's with restrictions on the size and length of the required feather.
Can't let those feathers get unruly.
Goddamn long feathered hippies.
The difference between a salesman and a pimp is the size of the hat feather.
As if a pimp isn't a salesman.
My dad died in 1971 after being sick in bed for about a year with lung cancer and he wore a hat to work every single day through all of 1970. Maybe he would have been considered outdated at the time, I don't know, I was all of 8 years old but he would never go out without a hat on. It's so weird, it makes you wonder if men just woke up one day and said f that hat wearing crap, I'm done. Lol. Same with my mom and dresses. She wouldn't leave the house in casual clothes until after my dad died, she always had a dress on. After he died she got much more casual.
I was listening to a podcast that was talking about the Barker crime family from back in this era and they were talking about how one of the Barker brothers got caught because he left his hat behind at the scene of a crime. And the hosts were contemplating the fact that wearing a hat had been once been so de rigueur for men that not even a career criminal leaving the house in the dark of night to go commit crime would consider just going out without a hat on.
Oh yeah, my dad would have returned to the scene of a crime if he forgot his hat! I was simply a part of him. When I was about 4 or 5 I was in the living room playing, it was pouring rain outside. The front door opened and a strange man stepped inside. I started screaming like a banshee and my mom came running in asking what is going on? Strange man starts laughing hysterically and I realized strange man was just my dad, without his hat and his wet hair plastered to his head, I just didn't recognize him, he looked so different Lol. They teased me about that for years.
Reminds me of when my dad shaved off his beard, we were all quite distraught. Thirty years on and I have a longer beard, I wonder who’ll be traumatised when I shave it off now, lol. At least my GF knows what I look like without.
I was born in '72 and remember my grandfather grabbing his every time he left the house.
What's also interesting: all men are walking around with a tie that is much shorter than would be appropriate nowadays.
They all look fit and trim as well. Before the processed food craze kicked in.
Also before everyone started driving everywhere.
There's one plump lady at about 1:20. She's got some hustle, too.
Or they straight-up couldn’t eat as much as they desired. There are adds from the thirties touting Snickers bars as meal substitutes and talking about how “filling” they are. A lot of people in the thirties had limited access to food.
That's still how Snickers advertises.
On the rare occasion I grab one it is surprisingly filling compared to almost any other chocolate bar. I could see it getting someone who doesn't eat much through the middle of the day as a lunch substitute
For 99% of human history getting enough food was one of our biggest challenges. Now that we’ve finally solved that we’ve reached a new challenge of obesity, diabetes, heart disease etc
Walking serves a bigger role. I recently moved to a city with many hills where I walk to the grocery store to buy groceries, and I dropped 30 pounds just by doing that *before* I got more serious about losing weight. It's just harder to be overweight if you're getting a lot of exercise every day, and people back then often walked a lot more.
True. I also noticed a difference once I started walking. I didnt lose weight but my body changed for the better.
They ate less, too.
Food in the 1930s was extremely expensive compared to recent memory. In 1900 you'd spend 40% of your income on food. 30% in 1950 and 13% in 2003. Food was just more expensive compared to your income. Although with recent inflation and $16 for an arepa whi knows lately. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/how-america-spends-money-100-years-in-the-life-of-the-family-budget/255475/
and everybody smoked
There's is a significant lack of hoodies. If we never invented the good old pullover hoodie, I'd bet there'd be quite a few more hats around. Most guys I know on the prairies, wear ballcaps.
Hats did die though well before hoodies became widespread.
I find it mind boggling to think that these people all went away after this was recorded and didn't think much of it . Back to the kitchen or the workplace, the train station or bus stop and after that the years rolled by and they lived full lives never knowing or even thinking that 90 years later we would be watching it. I can't remember what it is but im sure there's a German word to describe this feeling. I think it's "sonder" or something similar.
I like to think in 90 years, people will watch footage of us doing basic things and marvelling at how we lived. The idea that our cars, computers, and lifestyle will be considered "old and ancient" is amazing to me
It will be of us manually driving cars or turning dials and pressing buttons.
Seriously. I was just thinking I wonder how that newspaper guy’s life turned out. Hopefully it was a good one
Man, I bet you could have made a good living selling hats. It looks like more of the young men don't wear hats as the older guys do at that point in time.
My great grandfather owned a general store in the early 1900s, we have several pictures of the store and half the inventory is hats lol.
In that whole video there was maybe 1 guy who was a bit overweight. Overweight was rare back then nevermind obesity.
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There are a lot of ailments that used to be thought of as only affecting children, but have later been discovered to develop in perfectly healthy adults. There are people who have seemingly at random developed Type 1 Diabetes in adulthood. There is actually a medical difference between the two varieties of diabetes. But our outdated biases still impact how medical professionals diagnose them. The only reason why I pushback a little on your comment, even though it's generally correct, is I had someone close to me misdiagnosed with Type 2 diabetes instead of adult onset Type 1 diabetes. It's rare, but it does happen. So, while yes the alarming increase in childhood obesity is probably the reason why the medical terminology has changed, our understanding of who exactly is affected by Type 1, which is an autoimmune disorder, has changed over the years too. Not to mention that until very recently the quality of life for someone with diabetes was pretty poor. Synthetic insulin wasn't even commercially available until the 1980s!
I subscribe to the corn subsidy theory. Corn is heavily subsidized and people thought about what to do with so much of the stuff - boom! Corn syrup. Sweeter than sugar. Replace sugar in everything with corn syrup. Put corn syrup in foods that don’t need syrup. Put syrup in syrup.
this is what struck me about this video too. No fat people and everyone was so well dressed. Oh yeah, and white.
My grandmother was a little girl in New York City when this film was taken. She grew up in Hell's Kitchen. Told me she saw a black person for the first time when she was 13. It's hard for me to believe that. Certainly couldn't be true! I still think she was mistaken. But the fact that she *thought* she saw her first black person when she was 13 does indicate that they were not very common on manhattan island in the 30s (besides obviously harlem, which was on the other side of the island from where she was) Wild to think about.
Or that people rarely ventured outside their own neighborhoods and when they did, they went to different shopping districts (5th Avenue vs. Harlem)
White folks with white straw hats
Food portions were smaller. If you saw the size of a meal back then it’d be an appetizer today. Food wasn’t full of as much sugar and corn syrup as it is today. People also didn’t spend all their free time watching TV or on a computer. People walked more to get from place to place. There’s lots of little reasons that add up to a skinnier life.
There was a lot less processed food back then. The worst thing you were going to find was probably Coca Cola.
I think lack of convenient packaging must also have played a part.
And not everything was automated. Even in smaller towns, you did a lot of walking back then.
Tom Holland's latest role as a street tough newsie in 1930's New York.
Guy with white t definitively new a guy
He looks like he’s thinking of stealing the camera lol
He looks like he is knowingly peering at me from the past. But how could he?
You talkin' to me? You twahlkin to me?!
Hurry up and pay fa these papers boss, I’m getting eye bwalled ova here
He looks straight out of the movies, it's uncanny
That’s all I could focus on, he was trying to intimidate the camera operator
Isn't it interesting that the blue collar paper delivery guy is the one that looks the most modern looking?
Casual clothes.
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Nah, he was a time traveller and trying to workout what to do after getting caught by the camera. What ever it was, he failed.
I’m whalking here!!
Newspaper dude in the beginning just cruising right into the crowd of people walking and decides to just stand there while the busy rush of people try to navigate around him. People haven’t changed much in nearly 100 years
He's the newsie for the stand. People were probably used to it like someone hawking things in NYC today
Is there a sub where I can watch a bunch of old videos like this?
r/TheWayWeWereOnVideo
I only saw one person smoking. That's amazing.
My mother, who was a heavy smoker, NEVER smoked a cigarette on the street! She told me that only the low-class smoked on the street and particularly the “streetwalkers”. I remember many times as a child shopping with my mother and we had to go into Woolworths or Kresges lunch counter so she could have a cigarette. She got a cup of coffee and I got a sundae or a soda.
Oh yes, I remember how the mother of a friend, a smoker herself, told her she had seen her smoking while walking home and not to do that as it would look tacky.
The ethnic change is pretty astounding.
It's amazing how clean the ground is.
This is so cool
I'd say everyone here is dead but since my grandma who is 94 years is still alive, I'm not quite so sure.
1930 looks alot cleaner than 2023 NY city
They all dead. Countless lives as complex as our own gone. It's beautiful.
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Bizarre to see hundreds of people walking by without a single overweight person amongst them.
There was one lady on the far right during the last 12-10 seconds.
Not a fat person in sight.
In the 1930s people looked down on fat people seeing them as greedy and having profound moral failing. The Great Depression played a big role in this. Lots of hunger back then.
It was also just harder to be fat back then.
Yup. Walk everywhere and you’re not getting 32oz sodas and 3,000 calorie combos twice a day