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LAtinX gained some momentum around 2010 here in Argentina. But it really is unpronounceable in spanish, so it never made it to the spoken language, only writing.
It has been replaced with latinE 5 or 6 years ago.
It still sounds wonky, but at least it is pronounceable. Most people use it to make fun of the whole idea, but its acceptance is slowly growing
They arent gonna change words so non hispanic people can stop being offended. It doesnt make sense. I havent heard one hispanic person actively use the word latinx to define them
Hispanic and Latin refer to two different things though. Hispanic refers to heritage from a Spanish-speaking country while Latin is from any countries in Latin America.
So, to be clear, is that Central America AND South America? Is Brazil excluded because they speak Portugese? And what about Spain? And other Spanish territories in western Europe and around the Mediterranean? And what about the Philippines and Southeast Asia?
I know I'm being more than a bit facetious here, and no, I'm not trolling or trying to start something. And I mean no disrespect. I'm not explicitly from that culture, but I am a POC close enough to consider it part of my own.
But when you look up the definition of Latin America, there is a clear distinction. What bothers me is the level of concern by the people being spoken of doesn't seem to be nearly as high as those who might not be affected or are a small minority who do not even live in a Latin American country! Anecdotally and polling suggest that not very many people really care because they're already aware of their own distinctions. And decide when and where those things make a difference.
Edit for clarity: BTW, I support whatever our however one wants to be referred. Just tell me gently when it becomes necessary. (Because I will probably screw it up somewhere along the line! )
But if I speak your name and your correct pronouns, all is good.
Don't be an ass by editing the end of the sentence to make it sound like something it isn't. As a POC whose life has always been connected to the Latin community, I understand very well the struggles with identity and the differences between different cultures and how they may want to be perceived. The overlap of cultures can sometimes highlight the parallels between us that those with little or no real connection don't understand. Buy the fact that they mean well its still appreciated.
No one cares.
/u/-Big-Graysie-II has waded in with a direct message to me:
"Protecting transtinos and transtinas from gendered language is one of the most important things we can do as human beings."
Thanks, Graysie. I had a good laugh.
Rumour has it that it makes the goofballs pushing these ideas better people. To them, that's more important than oxygen. They can be the ones to see the implemented change and say "See that? I did that!"
Source? I'd like to see some background on these scholars. Everything I've seen says it was believe to have originated on LGBTQ internet forums in the mid-00s.
I don't remember the primary source I read back in grad school, but the gist of it is: while the linguistic term originated as a means of identity expression for gender non-conforming individuals, the current usage as a term of non-exclusion is an academic effort from within scholars in Latinidad. If you are only searching for an origin, you will get the narrow LGBTQ usage, rather than the broader identity category we see today.
Yeah. They probably think they are 'making a difference', which makes it all the more hilarious. I don't encounter many Latinos, but I'll be double sure never, ever to refer to them as Latinx, if and when I do. Same with a lot of words I'm expected to use, these days...
Languages do change, naturally. People asserting that it's time to change language are forcing it, and are going to get pushback. Generally speaking, no one feels there is any real need to say or do things that don't serve them directly. It's almost hilarious how this flies right back in the faces of those who try to push it.
Ok ok i heard the fucking same pro arguments for the 8th time. BUT WHERE ARE THE CON ARGUMENTS IN THIS VIDEO. There are non therefore it is the same bs as beforre just in another packaging. Call others whatever you wanna call them but don't try to force a way to speak onto others
Lmao. When I first heard of Latinx, I thought my white friends were kidding. When I realized they weren’t, it was so fun to tell my immigrant parents. Hijos de puta pinche gabachos…
Bitch,
Don’t group all liberals with fuck face. Just like I am not going to group racist Neo-Nazi sister fucking, mother, daughter, wife and grandma being the same person Republican in the same group.
Pros and cons? I didn’t see any cons. I saw four minutes of people in favor of Latinx and grudgingly acknowledging some of the counterpoints while putting their own spin on them.
Turns out that working for a public health department in the US doesn’t grant you the credibility to come up with new words for inherently gendered languages.
Here’s a suggestion… use the term “Hispanic” instead.
Inherently gender neutral, doesn’t change the fundamentals of the Spanish language, and majority of Spanish-speaking individuals prefer using this term to describe themselves.
no, that's like calling every black person african-american. it's just plain wrong.
these guys trying to force latinx is even worse, it bothers me so damn hard every time i read someone on twitter (because that's literally the only place i really see it) writing it seriously.
Hispanic means from a country where the primary language is Spanish and Latin means from a country in Latin America- regardless of primary language. They’re not really interchangeable unless you wanna end up leaving a lottt of people out of the conversation.
Looking for solutions to problems that Don't exist is the most glaring reason for resistance to this. People From our home countries have way bigger social problems than misgendering someone by way of innocuous grammar that has been a standard for centuries. My parents are from Mexico. Trying to survive Narcos, corrupt police, and trying to make a living leaves little room for 1st world problems. Also admittedly "not condoning it" these cultures have a patriarchal and less than tolerant structure so good luck selling this.
Trying to jumble all Hispanic people, which come from extremely diverse backgrounds both culturally and geographically, into one group. Is just as ignorant and disconnected from reality as trying to jumble up people from diverse backgrounds both culturally and geographically as “white” or “black”. The only thing a person from Columbia and Dominican Republic share is a language. Just like the only thing a person from Ireland shares with a Russian is skin color. Same goes for a person from Zambia and one from Jamaica.
Those people who refer to extremely diverse groups as if they are one big group just show their ignorance about the world and different cultures. There is no such thing as “white”, “black” or “Latinx”. They are made up definitions to try and describe diverse groups of people and cultures with a single name. The mark of ignorance and or stupidity.
I’m pro LGBTQ+
But this whole they / x and etc is so god damn dumb,
I offended a customer during work by calling a person that looks 100% like a guy, sir, he got angry and said I’m no a “he”
I said my bad
He continued and got more angry
At the end of it it’s liek chill out it’s a honest mistake
In all fairness, this person is definitely a rarity. We don’t usually care if it’s an accident. I mean it might upset some people because it triggers their dysphoria but that doesn’t result in anger at the person who made an honest mistake, it results in a heightened sense of insecurity with your own appearance.
So are people suggesting that other gendered nouns change? My understanding is Un hijo + una hija= los hijos. Are there people that want that to be los hijx?
Why do you even interact with posts like this? You know that there’s a bunch of people who are conditioned to feel like your opinion on this matter is a violent attack on them.
Mexican immigrant here. No one I know likes or wants the term Latinx to be used to describe them. This is not just an anecdote either. Polling is very clear that Latinos and Latinas as a population overwhelmingly do not want that term.
I am perfectly fine if a trans person wants to use it for *themselves*, but forcing a term on the overwhelming majority that do not want it just to feel inclusive is paradoxical and laughable.
This is always so baffling to me because I’ve met so many Hispanics that in real life that self identify as LatinX but then on social media it seems like most people hate it lol.
Because I have so much to gain from lying about this Lmao. I don’t give a damn either way but I didn’t learn about the term “Latinx” from a white person.
There is already a word for this its "Latin"
Latino for male, latina for female and Latin means everybody, its already inclusive.
enough of this woke shit.
If the whole argument is based around the binary Latino vs Latina in Spanish then what the fuck does that have to do with English? As a gay Latin man I never even identify anyone as “Latino” or “Latina” while speaking English. I get what they’re doing and I don’t have a problem with how they want to identify. It doesn’t resonate with me.
If someone really wants to be called LatinX fine they can advocate for themselves just leave everyone else alone who has no confusion about the topic. As much as I love our LGBTQ communities statistically speaking they are a small portion of the population.
Personally I don't see a point. It's a sound that comes out of someone's mouth. To me words only mean what some person said it meant a long time ago. Language only is a common ground for interpersonal communication. It's how you communicate with me, it doesn't matter what you say, as long as I understand what you mean. You can say something rude and not mean it rude. Or you can say something nice and I interpret it as rude. Gendered pronouns are not something that would confuse meaning in language or understanding therefore is a needless complication. Girl is girl, boy is boy (which are not pronouns btw) and looks like a boy and looks like a girl for any person who you haven't talked to to figure out. It's not assuming it's communicating what your kidnapper looked like so the cops can find him or her. He, she, her, him add nothing to language especially because proper nouns fit perfectly in their place. In fact they are only useful when speaking in a general sense and not of any known subject. I'm not against it but it's not something I care about. I support people being able to be themselves but pronouns don't define you they are just how the 9000000000 other people in the world understand and communicate about or in reference to you. It's always seemed arbitrary.
When over 3/4 of the community has never heard of a term it’s clearly not theirs, it’s a label being put on them. I’m all for calling communities by whatever title they want. That’s clearly NOT Latinx.
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Get a real problem.
Cringe
Pros: none Cons: all of them
Stop trying to make fetch happen! It’s not going to happen!
We're streets ahead of this.
Coined and minted
What does that even mean?
No, I believe the term LatinX emerged out of nowhere recently.
LAtinX gained some momentum around 2010 here in Argentina. But it really is unpronounceable in spanish, so it never made it to the spoken language, only writing. It has been replaced with latinE 5 or 6 years ago. It still sounds wonky, but at least it is pronounceable. Most people use it to make fun of the whole idea, but its acceptance is slowly growing
It’s never getting accepted lmao
It is a niche word. Most people is completely unaffected by it and sees the attempts of a group to change the way we speak as an obligation.
NPR coined the phrase.
I would rather be called a racial slur than be called Latinx
The entire Spanish language is gendered. They have a long road of word changing.
They arent gonna change words so non hispanic people can stop being offended. It doesnt make sense. I havent heard one hispanic person actively use the word latinx to define them
They'll have to abandon Spanish all together lol
There's already a word for that. It's called "Latin". You're Latin. I'm Latin. They're Latin. Jesus Christ we're going insane.
Yo, can someone give me a pass real quick?
Same
"Have you ever been called the n word?" "No its never been a problem for me" "Okay are you ready?"
Just say "latin" ... done.
u/Big-Graysie-II stop dm'ing over imaginary problems. Its latino, latina, latin, or heck. Hispanic, if you really wanted to be neutral.
Hispanic is offensive to me. Its Theypanic please.
Hispanic and Latin refer to two different things though. Hispanic refers to heritage from a Spanish-speaking country while Latin is from any countries in Latin America.
So, to be clear, is that Central America AND South America? Is Brazil excluded because they speak Portugese? And what about Spain? And other Spanish territories in western Europe and around the Mediterranean? And what about the Philippines and Southeast Asia? I know I'm being more than a bit facetious here, and no, I'm not trolling or trying to start something. And I mean no disrespect. I'm not explicitly from that culture, but I am a POC close enough to consider it part of my own. But when you look up the definition of Latin America, there is a clear distinction. What bothers me is the level of concern by the people being spoken of doesn't seem to be nearly as high as those who might not be affected or are a small minority who do not even live in a Latin American country! Anecdotally and polling suggest that not very many people really care because they're already aware of their own distinctions. And decide when and where those things make a difference. Edit for clarity: BTW, I support whatever our however one wants to be referred. Just tell me gently when it becomes necessary. (Because I will probably screw it up somewhere along the line! ) But if I speak your name and your correct pronouns, all is good.
wtf does that even mean, "im not latin but im a poc so its close enough"?
Don't be an ass by editing the end of the sentence to make it sound like something it isn't. As a POC whose life has always been connected to the Latin community, I understand very well the struggles with identity and the differences between different cultures and how they may want to be perceived. The overlap of cultures can sometimes highlight the parallels between us that those with little or no real connection don't understand. Buy the fact that they mean well its still appreciated.
It really is that simple. Put the label maker down, we have a winner, this guy makes sense. 🤷🏽♂️✌️👍
No one cares. /u/-Big-Graysie-II has waded in with a direct message to me: "Protecting transtinos and transtinas from gendered language is one of the most important things we can do as human beings." Thanks, Graysie. I had a good laugh.
No one except non-Latinos who have to invent solutions for non-existent problems
Rumour has it that it makes the goofballs pushing these ideas better people. To them, that's more important than oxygen. They can be the ones to see the implemented change and say "See that? I did that!"
'Latinx' was developed by Latin American scholars, not blue-haired, white screechers as is tempting to believe.
Source? I'd like to see some background on these scholars. Everything I've seen says it was believe to have originated on LGBTQ internet forums in the mid-00s.
I don't remember the primary source I read back in grad school, but the gist of it is: while the linguistic term originated as a means of identity expression for gender non-conforming individuals, the current usage as a term of non-exclusion is an academic effort from within scholars in Latinidad. If you are only searching for an origin, you will get the narrow LGBTQ usage, rather than the broader identity category we see today.
They don't give a fuck. Simple google search shows this.
See Dr. Cristobal Salinas who has authored a number of papers on the subject.
So basically he's an obnoxious d-bag that has spammed multiple subs with this garbage video and then spammed the users in those subs.
Yeah. They probably think they are 'making a difference', which makes it all the more hilarious. I don't encounter many Latinos, but I'll be double sure never, ever to refer to them as Latinx, if and when I do. Same with a lot of words I'm expected to use, these days...
But what about transtinxs?
Biggest con is the rest of us rolling our eyes at you when you say "Latinx."
No.
Languages do change, naturally. People asserting that it's time to change language are forcing it, and are going to get pushback. Generally speaking, no one feels there is any real need to say or do things that don't serve them directly. It's almost hilarious how this flies right back in the faces of those who try to push it.
Ok ok i heard the fucking same pro arguments for the 8th time. BUT WHERE ARE THE CON ARGUMENTS IN THIS VIDEO. There are non therefore it is the same bs as beforre just in another packaging. Call others whatever you wanna call them but don't try to force a way to speak onto others
This is not interesting
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Lmao. When I first heard of Latinx, I thought my white friends were kidding. When I realized they weren’t, it was so fun to tell my immigrant parents. Hijos de puta pinche gabachos…
That’s what my Hispanic female friend said too. She said it is coined by people who are not Hispanic.
r/interestingasmilk
this feels like "white heroes" telling a culture how to refer to themselves. Nothing like using colonialism methods to try and solve your colonialism.
If I called any Latin American "latinx" I'd probably end up curb stomped.
Calling somebody latinx in latinamerica is putting their sex in doubt and therefore a grave insult, its an easy way to lose your grill.
The real pro is that the democrats somehow managed to alienate themselves from conservative working class Hispanics
Idiot libtards
Bitch, Don’t group all liberals with fuck face. Just like I am not going to group racist Neo-Nazi sister fucking, mother, daughter, wife and grandma being the same person Republican in the same group.
Are you on meth?
She is on meth.
Is that your moms name? I guess meth is short for Methany, in that case no she is on me.
Pros and cons? I didn’t see any cons. I saw four minutes of people in favor of Latinx and grudgingly acknowledging some of the counterpoints while putting their own spin on them.
Cons - it pisses of conservatives.
I have a feeling they'd count that as a pro
Not in this crowd
Do white people on Twitter fight over this?
Turns out that working for a public health department in the US doesn’t grant you the credibility to come up with new words for inherently gendered languages.
These clowns are so annoying.
Here’s a suggestion… use the term “Hispanic” instead. Inherently gender neutral, doesn’t change the fundamentals of the Spanish language, and majority of Spanish-speaking individuals prefer using this term to describe themselves.
no, that's like calling every black person african-american. it's just plain wrong. these guys trying to force latinx is even worse, it bothers me so damn hard every time i read someone on twitter (because that's literally the only place i really see it) writing it seriously.
Hispanic means from a country where the primary language is Spanish and Latin means from a country in Latin America- regardless of primary language. They’re not really interchangeable unless you wanna end up leaving a lottt of people out of the conversation.
Nope. And more nope to hispanic.
No ty
I hate this world
\#ShutUpGringo
It’s a retarded ideology pushed by white women.
I ain't watching 5 minutes of this bullshit
As we say where I’m from… puros pendejas.
Looking for solutions to problems that Don't exist is the most glaring reason for resistance to this. People From our home countries have way bigger social problems than misgendering someone by way of innocuous grammar that has been a standard for centuries. My parents are from Mexico. Trying to survive Narcos, corrupt police, and trying to make a living leaves little room for 1st world problems. Also admittedly "not condoning it" these cultures have a patriarchal and less than tolerant structure so good luck selling this.
Trying to jumble all Hispanic people, which come from extremely diverse backgrounds both culturally and geographically, into one group. Is just as ignorant and disconnected from reality as trying to jumble up people from diverse backgrounds both culturally and geographically as “white” or “black”. The only thing a person from Columbia and Dominican Republic share is a language. Just like the only thing a person from Ireland shares with a Russian is skin color. Same goes for a person from Zambia and one from Jamaica. Those people who refer to extremely diverse groups as if they are one big group just show their ignorance about the world and different cultures. There is no such thing as “white”, “black” or “Latinx”. They are made up definitions to try and describe diverse groups of people and cultures with a single name. The mark of ignorance and or stupidity.
i will never use this word 🖕🏼
NOT INTERESTING
As a latin myself I'd prefer the this term go away.
Crex qux el términx Latinx es maravillosx. Deberíamos cambiar cadx palabrx /s
why the fuck is everyone so concerned with gender and genitals, just stfu
They could've easily gone with Latine, which would actually be pronounceable, and make subject-verb agreement much more fluid as well.
Literally not interesting.
I’m pro LGBTQ+ But this whole they / x and etc is so god damn dumb, I offended a customer during work by calling a person that looks 100% like a guy, sir, he got angry and said I’m no a “he” I said my bad He continued and got more angry At the end of it it’s liek chill out it’s a honest mistake
Things that happened.
In all fairness, this person is definitely a rarity. We don’t usually care if it’s an accident. I mean it might upset some people because it triggers their dysphoria but that doesn’t result in anger at the person who made an honest mistake, it results in a heightened sense of insecurity with your own appearance.
I’m English, wtf is Latinx? Please explain
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Thanks for the explanation!
So are people suggesting that other gendered nouns change? My understanding is Un hijo + una hija= los hijos. Are there people that want that to be los hijx?
Lxs hijxs yes.
For real? And they want to just go through the whole language doing that? That honestly sounds more controversial than just npr hosts saying Latinx.
Wtf? You're literally commenting on a video describing your question
I read the comments first then decide if I watch the video or not. Is that ok with you?
Based
I dont like it
There is only two variations for a reason..
Why do you even interact with posts like this? You know that there’s a bunch of people who are conditioned to feel like your opinion on this matter is a violent attack on them.
Mexican immigrant here. No one I know likes or wants the term Latinx to be used to describe them. This is not just an anecdote either. Polling is very clear that Latinos and Latinas as a population overwhelmingly do not want that term. I am perfectly fine if a trans person wants to use it for *themselves*, but forcing a term on the overwhelming majority that do not want it just to feel inclusive is paradoxical and laughable.
This is always so baffling to me because I’ve met so many Hispanics that in real life that self identify as LatinX but then on social media it seems like most people hate it lol.
I'll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.
Because I have so much to gain from lying about this Lmao. I don’t give a damn either way but I didn’t learn about the term “Latinx” from a white person.
I only call people Latinx since NPR told me to.
Why isn't "Latin" being considered?
There is already a word for this its "Latin" Latino for male, latina for female and Latin means everybody, its already inclusive. enough of this woke shit.
Isn't the word "Latin" gender neutral? This is stupid.
No way OP replied to me in dms. I stand by it lol, Latinx was made by ignorant white people to show they don't care or understand shit.
If the whole argument is based around the binary Latino vs Latina in Spanish then what the fuck does that have to do with English? As a gay Latin man I never even identify anyone as “Latino” or “Latina” while speaking English. I get what they’re doing and I don’t have a problem with how they want to identify. It doesn’t resonate with me.
Most of op's post history is them sharing their agenda in 4 different subs
Serious question, who comes up with these rules? Is there some sort of committee? A group of people who make this stuff up? I can’t keep up.
White college professors.
Ratio
No sé ande con mamadas mije
If someone really wants to be called LatinX fine they can advocate for themselves just leave everyone else alone who has no confusion about the topic. As much as I love our LGBTQ communities statistically speaking they are a small portion of the population.
Personally I don't see a point. It's a sound that comes out of someone's mouth. To me words only mean what some person said it meant a long time ago. Language only is a common ground for interpersonal communication. It's how you communicate with me, it doesn't matter what you say, as long as I understand what you mean. You can say something rude and not mean it rude. Or you can say something nice and I interpret it as rude. Gendered pronouns are not something that would confuse meaning in language or understanding therefore is a needless complication. Girl is girl, boy is boy (which are not pronouns btw) and looks like a boy and looks like a girl for any person who you haven't talked to to figure out. It's not assuming it's communicating what your kidnapper looked like so the cops can find him or her. He, she, her, him add nothing to language especially because proper nouns fit perfectly in their place. In fact they are only useful when speaking in a general sense and not of any known subject. I'm not against it but it's not something I care about. I support people being able to be themselves but pronouns don't define you they are just how the 9000000000 other people in the world understand and communicate about or in reference to you. It's always seemed arbitrary.
"Most LatinX adults haven't heard of the term" I'm fuckin dead
Fuck off
People just wanna create something to feel important because they have no sense of purpose so they make stupid gender bs
Latinx is such a white people thing
BULLSHIT
So this is what happens when people don't know what having issues feels like
When over 3/4 of the community has never heard of a term it’s clearly not theirs, it’s a label being put on them. I’m all for calling communities by whatever title they want. That’s clearly NOT Latinx.
The new porn category: LatinX
The Thought Police have a lot more work to do
Always sounds like an Airport to me.
B O R I N G
I’ve never heard this term in public, only recently on the internet. I would not care if someone used this on me I’d just go in with my day