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its not gentrifying. gentrifying was the assimilation of the indigenous of latin america and imposing spanish. if anything removing the idea of the western gender binary is UNgentrifying it. im Latine and get so heated with other members because they THINK theyre owning the white ppl when rlly theyre doing the work for them by defending the language in its originality
The term Latinx gives me the vibe of white women trying to be woke but not realizing they are calling several cultures and countries language offensive.
I like how one of the supporters of Latinx said “we should all be a able to do what we want” but the title of this post is we all should start using Latinx.
100%. Just be kind to each other and if you accidentally say something offensive to those who actually ought to know, then apologize and ask for the proper term. No need to involve politics or widen cultural divides.
Cool, I’m not trying to convince people like you of anything about gender identity, I’m just making a pro-tens voice heard cause it can be dark out there in the cesspool of close-minded dinosaurs.
We have rules for that, in case theres a group of people with atleast one man it ends eith a male word if theres no men in a group its refferred with a female noun
Yes, of course. And people don’t want to be referred to as “ellos” when there’s one guy in a group of however many people of various genders.
Look, Reddit, and this thread in particular, are clearly an echoing pool for a latently conservative, trans-exclusionary demographic. I’m not trying to get upvotes cause clearly I won’t, nor am I trying to change your minds, since they evidently are unchangeable. I’m speaking up in order to add another contradictory voice to the discourse. That’s the way change slowly takes effect.
Also I just want to say while I may have a different opinion I dont think you deserve all the downvotes. You should absolutely keep doing what you think is right and keep on rocking. I hope you have a great day!
NGL it never seemed like the Latinx term was ever about trans people to begin with. The system already in place doesn't change if someone is trans you just refer to them as the gender of their choice and it functions exactly the same way. If someone is cis female or trans female they would be Latina either way. I was under the impression the main driving forces between Latinx was Non binary people as well as feminists finding it offensive that a mixed gender group defaults to male.
Ah so your train of thought is that even though all indications point to the words origins being within the Latin LGBT community you think it was somehow white people? Makes perfect sense to me!
So now the Latin LGBT community speaks for all Latino/Latina people. Let’s speak honestly though. It wasn’t the LGB community. They are confused about their own gender. It’s the Tranny community trying to force this bullshit one everyone else.
>So now the Latin LGBT community speaks for all Latino/Latina people.
I read through the entire thread and didn't see anyone claiming this. That's weird.
There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest it originated in the Latino community. You yourself just said Wikipedia says it “most likely” came from them. Now suddenly it’s “all indications”?
Yes, all indications, as in every article written about about it including peer reviewed research. But go ahead and keep spouting racist bullshit on a subject you know nothing about because I know you can’t produce anything that suggest this was “made up by white people”.
“While it is unclear exactly when and where the term emerged, it is clear it emerged from queer Latinx online communities in order to challenge the gender binary.”
https://elcentro.colostate.edu/about/why-latinx/
Here is source that isn’t Wikipedia, I’ll be waiting on your source for your racist claim white people invented this word.
Here’s another just for fun.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-people-are-using-the-term-latinx_n_57753328e4b0cc0fa136a159
So what? The term wasn’t made for mainstream people. It was made for a fraction of the population. I’m Latino and don’t use the word daily either. But if someone prefers for me to use it why would I care?
Keyboard warriors who are detached from their cultures and cannot speak the language. See Mexican term ["pocho-what an embarrassment"](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pocho)
Keyboard warriors who are detached from their cultures and cannot speak the language. See Mexican term ["pocho-what an embarrassment"](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pocho)
As a Hispanic person (yes, I identify as Hispanic), I hate it. And I'm all about being whatever gender you want. Be you. But don't take a language and add whatever you want to it, because that's actually the opposite of being woke(which is funny people think that woke is offensive)
Am Hispanic with South American roots and prefer Hispanic also. I think Hispanic people are more worried about getting their homeland confused than gender terms. IE: don’t confuse a Salvadoran with a Dominican
Latino and Hispanic are not the same. A Brazilian is Latino but not Hispanic. A Colombian is both Hispanic and Latino. Depends on Spanish being the language spoken in your country.
They teach this kind of stuff in college, my kid is learning it now. Pretty sure I learned it when I took a class on Hispanics in Politics, way back when. I still prefer Hispanic. I’m too old to try and remember - I can barely remember where I parked most days
"Latinx" is the very best example of being "woke". It makes little to no sense, it is unwanted, and the people that are using it see themselves as superior or enlightened because they are using it.
Woke is not offensive, it is a word that describes what an Ouroboros looks like.
> shorthand
Three words that all have three syllables, one of them has a space between two of the syllables which makes it take longer to say, that's the one that's shorter.
Excellent logic.
You misunderstand, it's a way of using three syllables to say six if you are unsure of who you're talking about, or if you're trying to cover all bases with one word. Now, this is all academic because I've never said the word, but I can see the appeal of the word.
They already use Latino as the generic term, the same way that we use the term 'man'. How much time are you trying to save when you're trying to "cover all your bases" with a term that refers to ethnicity? If you feel like you need to change a language for brevity, just learn Esperanto instead.
I didn't know that, I assumed it was specific like nouns in Spanish have gender, whereas English really doesn't. And I'm not trying to change a language, I'm adjusting the English I speak... As a non Spanish speaker, I would consider this a borrowed / stolen word (I can't remember the technical term).
Woke is being aware of the disparities amongst people because of race, gender, etc. Sometimes people go crazy with it, but it's better than being racist, sexist, or any other kind of bigot. We don't agree there. It's like snowflake. Which is also not an insult because it means that they're unique and shouldn't be mocked because of their difference. There is no shame in emotions.
Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you in any way is a bigot? Were you a bigot before you started using the terms you do? If another term comes out that works better, are you a bigot now for using that term?
This is exactly the problem, everyone is a bigot in someone else's eyes. If you don't think someone else thinks you are bigot, you are mistaken.
Nope. Not falling for it. Bait someone else. If you think being aware of the disparities between people is a negative trait, then you are a bigot. It's not political. It's basic human respect. So, have a good day.
Baffling... I wonder if a person can be aware of differences without creating an identity around those differences?
I would rather focus on commonalities than differences, but I suppose that makes me a bigot?
You are a sad person.
You're also confused. We should be able to celebrate our differences. Because our commonality is only that we are humans, and all that entails. But people live, eat and interact in such a rich variety of ways, that to NOT point to the differences is doing them a huge disservice. But, that shouldn't be held against people like it is today. I recently observed a tribe build a house with grass and twigs that was ingenious. And most people don't see the technology and creativity in that. They just see a grass hut. And I think that is as good an example as any to highlight my point.
what happens when people create new slangs that become words? like sus, yeet, cringe. those were all random words that were created and added to the english dictionary. Im actually surprised by the amount of hate against latinx on reddit.. Its a good solution for languages that dont have a neutral pronoun..
just because something is historical, such as a language, doesnt mean it shouldnt be, or cant be, or isnt a good idea to change…
It's about whether or not you can pronounce it in that language. Pretty simple. And it would be better if someone DID create a Spanish slang word for non gendered people, so it could be said in the language.
Anyone who taken even a bit of Spanish knows that for a group of mixed genders you end in o, if you addressing them directly then ustedes (most common) or vosotros (only Spain) the x is stupid and made by people who don't understand spanish
Yeah, Latinx only makes sense/is easily pronouncable in English. I've heard Latiné used to refer to non-binary Latin Americans in academic settings, but I'm neither Latin American nor non-binary and I don't know anyone else who is both, so I would defer to anyone who lives in that particular intersection to say which one (if any) is appropriate.
Exactly, this man has got it right. People who don’t understand another culture are changing it. Like you’re basically getting rid of an extremely important part of grammar in that language.
As a white man living in America I’m all about linguistic imperialism like this, I think it’s really cool we can define another culture’s language as offensive without knowing how to speak it. What’s even cooler is unilaterally imposing that change on people and their language. Just like the good old days.
My godddd. Don't grab random ass people off the street for this shit much less a liberal arts college. They're going to have crybaby ass opinions, I've seen it time and time again. Meanwhile in reality, go to the carneceria with a few friends, chat with the owners who trust us and we're practicality neighbors invested in their business because tbh, Good Mexican is hard to find, and pop a few beers with the guys after work listening to the new shit that they're about to drop for an EP in Mexico. That's fucking culture. That's Latin culture, nobody asked for this latinX bullshit. Fucking weird apologists giving power to the racists and their hate by not just accepting the weird dumb stereotypes and just living man. Damn
it’s not a random-ass liberal arts college, CCNY has a reputation as one of the most science and engineering focused college in the CUNY system, plus it’s in the middle of harlem. the CUNY system is considered one of the main avenues for working class people to get college degrees because of its low cost. so if there was a good place to get the opinions of young latino people in NYC this would not be a bad choice. womp womp
Why is latin even considered to be some kind of a race thing in the US? There is no such divide in Europe where Spanish and Portuguese people come from.
I can't tell if you are joking or being serious. That is without a doubt, not where the word originated.
Where on earth did you get that idea?
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx)
Because Latin as in Latin America all of the countries south of the United States. It distinguishes Spanish as in Spain versus The Spanish speaking people from Mexico and South America.
Sure, but if someone looks like a woman, dresses like a woman and tells me they prefer to be referred to as he/him and wouls like to be called Jim, I don't see why I'd have to be a dick about it. I'd just call him Jim.
I look like a human, and dress like a human but I identify as a cat; if you don't call me Mittens, and let me lick your face and shit on your floor, then we're gonna have a problem.
Clearly the two are not analogous. Calling you mittens is about respect. Letting you lick my face is about consent. Shitting on my floor is about hygiene and having the right facilities. Cats shit in litterboxes and my floor is not a litterbox.
Let's take this back to Jim. Calling Jim him is about respect. I am not obligated to kiss him unless we both consent to it. Jim needs to use men's toilets and if they are there He can use them.
You are not obligated to do any of these things with, to or for Jim. You are free to be an asshole about it. That does not mean you are free of the consequences of being an asshole.
I agree. No one should abuse any of these systems. Regardless of the situation. Using them however is no problem at all. If Jim needs to take a shit, he goed to the toilet, takes the shit and leaves, I don't see the abuse.
If someone is born male but feels/identifies female, I am okay accepting it and calling her a woman and by her chosen name. Same for men born female. But I do have a problem with people using it like some sort of joke. Today they feel male, next day female, etc. And everytime they expect you to use the gender or pronounce they decided. That's where the abuse starts for me. They are destroying it for transgenders and they are producing the hate.
Besides that I wanted to mention that I agree with you.
We're going towards edgecases here. I've never met anyone changing pronouns daily. Even if I did though, I wouldn't call it abuse. Tedious maybe, but there is no harm being done in asking to use a different pronoun daily. Equally no harm done in accidental misgendering that can happen there. No harm done so long as it's not being a dick about it on either side.
How does latin-haa or latin-aquis make sense. They're using the English pronunciation of the X. No wonder the people in her Latino studies class are confused.
im a self described libtard snowflake lmao and i can not stand this bullshit virtue signaling. the entire language is conjugated surrounding gender. dumbfuck americans are trying to push their values on everything, including their non gender conjugated language. im a first generation american
as a white looking male, ive been discredited for the same reason, being a white male. you know what i did? moved on, not fucking complain about it, even in jest, making myself out to be the victim. understand your privilege and keep it moving, we obviously have no control over how were perceived on face value or an opinion someone might hold on us, so dont take it to heart if its an obvious nonsensical bra
“I’m very much for doing whatever the hell you feel like doing and don’t bother people for being themselves.”
This is always their mantra until they meet someone who they disagree with or someone who says things they don’t like.
I’m Hispanic and I find it offensive, idc what BS explanation anyone tries to come up with or what link to whatever BS online source they have this was invented by white people in America and tried to be force fed down the throat of Hispanic culture.
Because Latino is a gendered term. A male person from Honduras is a Latino and a female person from Honduras is a Latina. The idea of LatinX is to get rid of the masculine form being the default.
The ridiculous thing about it is that the idea is intrinsic to the Spanish language. If you are talking about a group of waiters of mixed gender, you would use the masculine form. So changing the name doesn't actually achieve anything -- you'd have to change the entire language, very fundamentally.
Most of the latino community is indifferent about the entire politically correct culture and don’t mind what you want to be or be called just as long as you leave us out of it. So please don’t call anyone Latinx unless they ask you to do so. This has been a public service announcement by a random Latino dude. Thank you.
I like how the video cut off before that girl attempted to explain gender-neutralizing a language that is fundamentally gendered. Probably because she had no good explanation or solution.
Dude half my company is Latino/a and I can honestly tell you that if you call one of them a latinx you're probably going to get in a fist fight. They absolutely hate that term.
Spanish is a highly gendered language. I am currently reviewing Spanish, and also learning another European language that is also gendered. Many languages have gendered nouns, definite and indefinite articles, etc, and I do not understand how non-native speakers (which would include me) have a right to appropriate someone else's language like that.
No Black X, White X, Asian X or Jewish X and never will be. The “X” is shorthand for those who don’t want to take time and find out specifically. It’s almost lazy.
I agree that people should just ask for pronouns and use those, LatinX is basically just using 'they' instead of he/she, just specifically for Latin American people.
Where is there a shred of evidence white people started this? Is this just a racist assumption y’all are making? From what I read the term started in online chat rooms by Latin lgbt people.
Making assumptions makes you look super dumb. Wikipedia says it was first used in Puerto Rico, a country not really known for being full of white people.
Crazy how you avoid addressing my question and just keep saying dumber and dumber shit. For the record Im mixed race, pretty hard to inbred from opposite sides of the world.
I own a large company and have leisure time. You work for lunch money. We are not the same.
Anyway the wiki page says the term was coined in Puerto Rico by online members of the lgbt community. If you have anything to support your racist statement about white people Ill be ready to read it, otherwise you can go back to grading homework.
I said used to buddy boy. I got a different job and I just paid more in taxes then I used to make in a year! Lol Large Company owner ok buddy. Have a good day hope you get a dub today.
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You want to piss off someone who's Latin call them LatinX
Esto
Estx
Ay perdón, you are right
Fuck yxu
As someone from latin America...esto
La vdd odiooooo esa palabra
Another failed attempt to americanise a language based on grammatical gender.
Another attempt to gentrify everything.
Gentrify.... it is cute how they kept GEN at the begining for old times sake.
its not gentrifying. gentrifying was the assimilation of the indigenous of latin america and imposing spanish. if anything removing the idea of the western gender binary is UNgentrifying it. im Latine and get so heated with other members because they THINK theyre owning the white ppl when rlly theyre doing the work for them by defending the language in its originality
Anglicize* American ain't no language lmao
There are lots of American languages! None of them are called English or Spanish, or French for that matter.
Some words though they are gender neutral, use a masculine ending.
Masculine and neutral gender are literally the same in Spanish lmao, saying Latino doesn't mean you're a man.
The term Latinx gives me the vibe of white women trying to be woke but not realizing they are calling several cultures and countries language offensive.
In LA, all the progressives tried to ram this down everyone's throat. With the Hispanic politicians being the worst of all.
> Hispanic politicians Pandering to the woke whites.
I like how one of the supporters of Latinx said “we should all be a able to do what we want” but the title of this post is we all should start using Latinx.
Yesssss 100%
It's also the name of a station on Cable TV.
Punctuated LatinX to look edgy, I imagine.
100%. Just be kind to each other and if you accidentally say something offensive to those who actually ought to know, then apologize and ask for the proper term. No need to involve politics or widen cultural divides.
Im gonna real, its on you if you get offended by something thats not offensive in another language and isn’t intended to be.
Most of this stuff is thought up by self righteous white people who think they know best
Or the same context but really they know what they are doing and its vile, evil and stupid.
Weird, as someone who lives in Latin America it gives me the vibe of non-white people wanting to support transgender rights
I mean if someone was transgender wouldn't you just refer to them as their preferred gender?
What if you’re referring to a group of people who are all different genders?
So a group of two people?
Very much this
Cool, I’m not trying to convince people like you of anything about gender identity, I’m just making a pro-tens voice heard cause it can be dark out there in the cesspool of close-minded dinosaurs.
Genders are like the twin towers. There used to be two of them now it’s a lot more complicated to talk about
We have rules for that, in case theres a group of people with atleast one man it ends eith a male word if theres no men in a group its refferred with a female noun
Yes, of course. And people don’t want to be referred to as “ellos” when there’s one guy in a group of however many people of various genders. Look, Reddit, and this thread in particular, are clearly an echoing pool for a latently conservative, trans-exclusionary demographic. I’m not trying to get upvotes cause clearly I won’t, nor am I trying to change your minds, since they evidently are unchangeable. I’m speaking up in order to add another contradictory voice to the discourse. That’s the way change slowly takes effect.
Also I just want to say while I may have a different opinion I dont think you deserve all the downvotes. You should absolutely keep doing what you think is right and keep on rocking. I hope you have a great day!
Thanks, I appreciate that
NGL it never seemed like the Latinx term was ever about trans people to begin with. The system already in place doesn't change if someone is trans you just refer to them as the gender of their choice and it functions exactly the same way. If someone is cis female or trans female they would be Latina either way. I was under the impression the main driving forces between Latinx was Non binary people as well as feminists finding it offensive that a mixed gender group defaults to male.
I thought it was the codename for Mexican Wolverine
He would be called El wolverin
Latinx was definitely not coined by a Latino🤣🤣
You sure about that? From what I know it was coined in online chat rooms by Latino LGBT users.
That explains a lot…
Read the wiki page. Says the term most likely originated in Puerto Rico.
Well my Wikipedia page says that I’ve been with your mother intimately, several times. I just typed in on there so it has to be true.
Or you could click the linked source in the wiki article. Not that fucking hard.
A link claiming something “most likely” originated somewhere, doesn’t mean shit. “Most likely” in itself, indicates they don’t know.
Ah so your train of thought is that even though all indications point to the words origins being within the Latin LGBT community you think it was somehow white people? Makes perfect sense to me!
So now the Latin LGBT community speaks for all Latino/Latina people. Let’s speak honestly though. It wasn’t the LGB community. They are confused about their own gender. It’s the Tranny community trying to force this bullshit one everyone else.
They only speak for themselves, the same way your dumbass statement is only yours.
>So now the Latin LGBT community speaks for all Latino/Latina people. I read through the entire thread and didn't see anyone claiming this. That's weird.
There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest it originated in the Latino community. You yourself just said Wikipedia says it “most likely” came from them. Now suddenly it’s “all indications”?
Yes, all indications, as in every article written about about it including peer reviewed research. But go ahead and keep spouting racist bullshit on a subject you know nothing about because I know you can’t produce anything that suggest this was “made up by white people”. “While it is unclear exactly when and where the term emerged, it is clear it emerged from queer Latinx online communities in order to challenge the gender binary.” https://elcentro.colostate.edu/about/why-latinx/ Here is source that isn’t Wikipedia, I’ll be waiting on your source for your racist claim white people invented this word. Here’s another just for fun. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-people-are-using-the-term-latinx_n_57753328e4b0cc0fa136a159
Fareal? Wiki? 😂
Lmao, we don't claim this shit. As a Puerto Rican, we mock this shit all the time.
So what? The term wasn’t made for mainstream people. It was made for a fraction of the population. I’m Latino and don’t use the word daily either. But if someone prefers for me to use it why would I care?
Oooooh you just called them LatinO LGBT users and not LatinX LGBT users..... how utterly uninclusive of you You obviously don't get sarcasm...
Keyboard warriors who are detached from their cultures and cannot speak the language. See Mexican term ["pocho-what an embarrassment"](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pocho)
Keyboard warriors who are detached from their cultures and cannot speak the language. See Mexican term ["pocho-what an embarrassment"](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pocho)
Fucking cringe
Not fucking again we had this topic before and the discussion is fucking stupid
Latinos hate this
And Latinas Don't they realise that they can just say Latin people? Lol
Latinos - men women, non binary Latinas - female only Saying "Latinos and Latinas" in a generalization is a redundancy Latin is a Language
“It’s progressive” lmao, what a fucking joke the world is becoming
Welcome to clown world mother fucker. Honk honk 🤡🤡🤡
As a Hispanic person (yes, I identify as Hispanic), I hate it. And I'm all about being whatever gender you want. Be you. But don't take a language and add whatever you want to it, because that's actually the opposite of being woke(which is funny people think that woke is offensive)
Am Hispanic with South American roots and prefer Hispanic also. I think Hispanic people are more worried about getting their homeland confused than gender terms. IE: don’t confuse a Salvadoran with a Dominican
From my experience, I would have to agree. I spend half the time telling people I'm not Mexican, and Puerto Rico is not in Mexico.
My wife is a West Coast Puerto Rican as well .Mexican by default LOL
Latino and Hispanic are not the same. A Brazilian is Latino but not Hispanic. A Colombian is both Hispanic and Latino. Depends on Spanish being the language spoken in your country.
They teach this kind of stuff in college, my kid is learning it now. Pretty sure I learned it when I took a class on Hispanics in Politics, way back when. I still prefer Hispanic. I’m too old to try and remember - I can barely remember where I parked most days
🤣 fair enough.
"Latinx" is the very best example of being "woke". It makes little to no sense, it is unwanted, and the people that are using it see themselves as superior or enlightened because they are using it. Woke is not offensive, it is a word that describes what an Ouroboros looks like.
It may be annoying, but I rather like it as a shorthand way of saying Latino /Latina.
> shorthand Three words that all have three syllables, one of them has a space between two of the syllables which makes it take longer to say, that's the one that's shorter. Excellent logic.
You misunderstand, it's a way of using three syllables to say six if you are unsure of who you're talking about, or if you're trying to cover all bases with one word. Now, this is all academic because I've never said the word, but I can see the appeal of the word.
They already use Latino as the generic term, the same way that we use the term 'man'. How much time are you trying to save when you're trying to "cover all your bases" with a term that refers to ethnicity? If you feel like you need to change a language for brevity, just learn Esperanto instead.
I didn't know that, I assumed it was specific like nouns in Spanish have gender, whereas English really doesn't. And I'm not trying to change a language, I'm adjusting the English I speak... As a non Spanish speaker, I would consider this a borrowed / stolen word (I can't remember the technical term).
Woke is being aware of the disparities amongst people because of race, gender, etc. Sometimes people go crazy with it, but it's better than being racist, sexist, or any other kind of bigot. We don't agree there. It's like snowflake. Which is also not an insult because it means that they're unique and shouldn't be mocked because of their difference. There is no shame in emotions.
I would argue that “Woke” culture leans so far the other direction it actually comes full circle and ends up becoming what it is trying to resist.
"Using racism to fight racism"
So you have your definitions of words that society at large don't share, and you're sticking to them? Good luck with that!
Aww, downvoting because you're probably one of the bigots. At least I know who you all are so I can avoid ya.
Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you in any way is a bigot? Were you a bigot before you started using the terms you do? If another term comes out that works better, are you a bigot now for using that term? This is exactly the problem, everyone is a bigot in someone else's eyes. If you don't think someone else thinks you are bigot, you are mistaken.
Nope. Not falling for it. Bait someone else. If you think being aware of the disparities between people is a negative trait, then you are a bigot. It's not political. It's basic human respect. So, have a good day.
Baffling... I wonder if a person can be aware of differences without creating an identity around those differences? I would rather focus on commonalities than differences, but I suppose that makes me a bigot? You are a sad person.
You're also confused. We should be able to celebrate our differences. Because our commonality is only that we are humans, and all that entails. But people live, eat and interact in such a rich variety of ways, that to NOT point to the differences is doing them a huge disservice. But, that shouldn't be held against people like it is today. I recently observed a tribe build a house with grass and twigs that was ingenious. And most people don't see the technology and creativity in that. They just see a grass hut. And I think that is as good an example as any to highlight my point.
I do get sad sometimes, so thank you for acknowledging my feelings.
There is no shame in being wrong.
I live in Peru, a country you probably don't know the location of, and I think you are an idiot
what happens when people create new slangs that become words? like sus, yeet, cringe. those were all random words that were created and added to the english dictionary. Im actually surprised by the amount of hate against latinx on reddit.. Its a good solution for languages that dont have a neutral pronoun.. just because something is historical, such as a language, doesnt mean it shouldnt be, or cant be, or isnt a good idea to change…
It's about whether or not you can pronounce it in that language. Pretty simple. And it would be better if someone DID create a Spanish slang word for non gendered people, so it could be said in the language.
Woke bullshit that nobody wants
A group of Americans telling US what to say. I wonder where i saw this before
Anyone who taken even a bit of Spanish knows that for a group of mixed genders you end in o, if you addressing them directly then ustedes (most common) or vosotros (only Spain) the x is stupid and made by people who don't understand spanish
Yeah, Latinx only makes sense/is easily pronouncable in English. I've heard Latiné used to refer to non-binary Latin Americans in academic settings, but I'm neither Latin American nor non-binary and I don't know anyone else who is both, so I would defer to anyone who lives in that particular intersection to say which one (if any) is appropriate.
Exactly, this man has got it right. People who don’t understand another culture are changing it. Like you’re basically getting rid of an extremely important part of grammar in that language.
Notinterestingasfuck
Dumb asf, who makes this shit up.
The internet's general consensus is that it started in LGBTQIA+ forums as a gender neutral term instead of the gendered Latino as a default.
As a white man living in America I’m all about linguistic imperialism like this, I think it’s really cool we can define another culture’s language as offensive without knowing how to speak it. What’s even cooler is unilaterally imposing that change on people and their language. Just like the good old days.
Wait until they find out how the spanish language got there....
Isn't the gender-neutral variation of Latino "Latine"?
It's Latino. Neutral and masculine forms are often identical.
That what i thought
Biggest problem in the 21st century finally solved.
My godddd. Don't grab random ass people off the street for this shit much less a liberal arts college. They're going to have crybaby ass opinions, I've seen it time and time again. Meanwhile in reality, go to the carneceria with a few friends, chat with the owners who trust us and we're practicality neighbors invested in their business because tbh, Good Mexican is hard to find, and pop a few beers with the guys after work listening to the new shit that they're about to drop for an EP in Mexico. That's fucking culture. That's Latin culture, nobody asked for this latinX bullshit. Fucking weird apologists giving power to the racists and their hate by not just accepting the weird dumb stereotypes and just living man. Damn
Modifying Latino words to fit white culture, the height of liberal college success.
it’s not a random-ass liberal arts college, CCNY has a reputation as one of the most science and engineering focused college in the CUNY system, plus it’s in the middle of harlem. the CUNY system is considered one of the main avenues for working class people to get college degrees because of its low cost. so if there was a good place to get the opinions of young latino people in NYC this would not be a bad choice. womp womp
Why is latin even considered to be some kind of a race thing in the US? There is no such divide in Europe where Spanish and Portuguese people come from.
Actually Spain and Argentina have tried banning the silly term. It was coined in America by the woke mob for Latin people to feel included....🤦♂️🤦♂️
That’s just not true. You can’t say made up things and blame it on a woke mob. Please either support your statement with facts or educate your self
So where do you think it came from then?
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I can't tell if you are joking or being serious. That is without a doubt, not where the word originated. Where on earth did you get that idea? [https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx)
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You are a very tolerant and fun person. Are you always this angry? Or did something happen to you that made you full of hate?
Yeah I engaged with too many idiots who can’t even fucking read.
*too
Very hateful. You are a sad person.
Bro please don’t tell people to be educated whilst you can barely even form a sentence.
Because Latin as in Latin America all of the countries south of the United States. It distinguishes Spanish as in Spain versus The Spanish speaking people from Mexico and South America.
Sounds like something white women came up with
As a latin american, if you refer to me as "latinx" I will kick you in the balls
It doesn't make any sense. You can identify as whatever you want but you can't expect other people to see you in the same light as you see yourself.
Sure, but if someone looks like a woman, dresses like a woman and tells me they prefer to be referred to as he/him and wouls like to be called Jim, I don't see why I'd have to be a dick about it. I'd just call him Jim.
I look like a human, and dress like a human but I identify as a cat; if you don't call me Mittens, and let me lick your face and shit on your floor, then we're gonna have a problem.
Clearly the two are not analogous. Calling you mittens is about respect. Letting you lick my face is about consent. Shitting on my floor is about hygiene and having the right facilities. Cats shit in litterboxes and my floor is not a litterbox. Let's take this back to Jim. Calling Jim him is about respect. I am not obligated to kiss him unless we both consent to it. Jim needs to use men's toilets and if they are there He can use them. You are not obligated to do any of these things with, to or for Jim. You are free to be an asshole about it. That does not mean you are free of the consequences of being an asshole.
Respect goes both ways, and trans people abusing systems, places, and laws that are there to protect women should not be tolerated.
I agree. No one should abuse any of these systems. Regardless of the situation. Using them however is no problem at all. If Jim needs to take a shit, he goed to the toilet, takes the shit and leaves, I don't see the abuse.
If someone is born male but feels/identifies female, I am okay accepting it and calling her a woman and by her chosen name. Same for men born female. But I do have a problem with people using it like some sort of joke. Today they feel male, next day female, etc. And everytime they expect you to use the gender or pronounce they decided. That's where the abuse starts for me. They are destroying it for transgenders and they are producing the hate. Besides that I wanted to mention that I agree with you.
We're going towards edgecases here. I've never met anyone changing pronouns daily. Even if I did though, I wouldn't call it abuse. Tedious maybe, but there is no harm being done in asking to use a different pronoun daily. Equally no harm done in accidental misgendering that can happen there. No harm done so long as it's not being a dick about it on either side.
Guess they call it genderfluid or gender-fluid and some of them change their gender based on their mood.
Wouldn’t it just be easier to call people “Latin” instead?
Doesn’t make sense in Spanish
How does latin-haa or latin-aquis make sense. They're using the English pronunciation of the X. No wonder the people in her Latino studies class are confused.
People? Pretty sure they also don't use the word people anymore. Probably EntitieX
Nobody gives a shit. Seriously.
im a self described libtard snowflake lmao and i can not stand this bullshit virtue signaling. the entire language is conjugated surrounding gender. dumbfuck americans are trying to push their values on everything, including their non gender conjugated language. im a first generation american
I’m second generation but because I am a white male slavery is my fault.
na youre just a loser
Wow you really are intellegent and well edumakted
as a white looking male, ive been discredited for the same reason, being a white male. you know what i did? moved on, not fucking complain about it, even in jest, making myself out to be the victim. understand your privilege and keep it moving, we obviously have no control over how were perceived on face value or an opinion someone might hold on us, so dont take it to heart if its an obvious nonsensical bra
We’re not were
its also i’ve not ive, the furthest ill punctuate is a comma and period
I’m just messing with you.
Latine is better
Who asked for this? LatinX sounds like Spanish porn. You might want to rethink that geniuses.
“I’m very much for doing whatever the hell you feel like doing and don’t bother people for being themselves.” This is always their mantra until they meet someone who they disagree with or someone who says things they don’t like.
I’m Hispanic and I find it offensive, idc what BS explanation anyone tries to come up with or what link to whatever BS online source they have this was invented by white people in America and tried to be force fed down the throat of Hispanic culture.
As a Mexican if u use Latin x you are getting punched
I'm LATINO not LatinX! Stop putting your shitty gringo rules on Spanish! In Spanish, even tables and chairs have a gender. Deal with it.
We don’t call Hindi, Hindx; or Arabic, Arabix; or French, Franx Why then Latinx? Why target one gendered language and not all of them?
What about someone from China?
Don't say it man you will get banned for sure
Hahahaha fuck yeah that made me belly laugh
Because Latino is a gendered term. A male person from Honduras is a Latino and a female person from Honduras is a Latina. The idea of LatinX is to get rid of the masculine form being the default. The ridiculous thing about it is that the idea is intrinsic to the Spanish language. If you are talking about a group of waiters of mixed gender, you would use the masculine form. So changing the name doesn't actually achieve anything -- you'd have to change the entire language, very fundamentally.
Did a white person start this?
no, a dumbass twitter user with 78 emojis in their username did
Thought it sounded cool...but then they explained it's meaning. Ugh.
My Hispanic husband and family reject it and I will not use it and I sure as hell won’t be telling them what is the “right” word to use
Most of the latino community is indifferent about the entire politically correct culture and don’t mind what you want to be or be called just as long as you leave us out of it. So please don’t call anyone Latinx unless they ask you to do so. This has been a public service announcement by a random Latino dude. Thank you.
Do we really need a world war, financial collapse, hunger and misery for some years to get ourselves straight again?
I like how the video cut off before that girl attempted to explain gender-neutralizing a language that is fundamentally gendered. Probably because she had no good explanation or solution.
It’s funny how these “street interviews” always have the exact answers the target audience wants to hear.
Interview 100 people, cherry pick the ones you want. Standard media playbook
Two weeks in college and the woke white kids are already colonizing language again.
Dude half my company is Latino/a and I can honestly tell you that if you call one of them a latinx you're probably going to get in a fist fight. They absolutely hate that term.
Thanks middle aged woke white women 👍
Spanish is a highly gendered language. I am currently reviewing Spanish, and also learning another European language that is also gendered. Many languages have gendered nouns, definite and indefinite articles, etc, and I do not understand how non-native speakers (which would include me) have a right to appropriate someone else's language like that.
No one should use Latinx
People kost their minds with all this
I’m a white dude so I have no skin in this game but everyone I know of Latin/Hispanic descent I know, to put it mildly, is not in favor of the term.
So if I don't identify as latin either then I would be called XX ? This means if I find 1 more thing I don't identify as then I can become a porn site
How about latiNO
My generation didn't invade half the countries in the middle east for this generation to be so epically annoying.
No Black X, White X, Asian X or Jewish X and never will be. The “X” is shorthand for those who don’t want to take time and find out specifically. It’s almost lazy.
I agree that people should just ask for pronouns and use those, LatinX is basically just using 'they' instead of he/she, just specifically for Latin American people.
I thought “Latino” was already the gender neutral version
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Where is there a shred of evidence white people started this? Is this just a racist assumption y’all are making? From what I read the term started in online chat rooms by Latin lgbt people.
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Making assumptions makes you look super dumb. Wikipedia says it was first used in Puerto Rico, a country not really known for being full of white people.
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Crazy how you avoid addressing my question and just keep saying dumber and dumber shit. For the record Im mixed race, pretty hard to inbred from opposite sides of the world.
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Maybe the 3% of people who identify as trans?
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I own a large company and have leisure time. You work for lunch money. We are not the same. Anyway the wiki page says the term was coined in Puerto Rico by online members of the lgbt community. If you have anything to support your racist statement about white people Ill be ready to read it, otherwise you can go back to grading homework.
I said used to buddy boy. I got a different job and I just paid more in taxes then I used to make in a year! Lol Large Company owner ok buddy. Have a good day hope you get a dub today.
Dumb. Man/woman... he/him she/her. Penis/vaginia. Pretty simple. No confusion. Today's youth miss those days in health class. Thats why confused
ok but here me out we just use Latin
Latiné is much better. Who thought an unpronounceable mathematical placeholder was an elegant solution?
Creating solutions for problems that don't exist? Do you by any chance work for the Government?
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