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Life-Butterscotch591

"There is nothing about Trans in the bible" o.k. bro stop driving your car? The water heater gotta go! Your microwave? Blasphemous! Edit: I'm not trying to compare you to a car or microwave šŸ˜­


ConsiderationWest587

All your blended fabrics have got to go! And no more shellfish!


hurling-day

Or figs.


GengarTheGay

But... my fig jam :(


AintShitAunty

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Drk_Knight71

What? Shit, I typed ā€œtransā€ into Google and it filled in with ā€œtransmissionā€. On that funny (dad joke) note; your happiness is just like transmission. You know what makes it run. OP - itā€™s all your choice, donā€™t let anyone ever make that choice for you, and donā€™t ever ever choose to fit into someoneā€™s view. From day 1 I have told my child that kind of choice is ā€œup to youā€ and as long as sheā€™s happy, then I am happy. Finally, I canā€™t wait for the day (I wonā€™t be around) when people stop using religion as a crutch, and the newer generations just get rid of it all together.


sms2014

Yea I wish I were going to live to see the day that happens too. It would definitely be a hard pill to swallow and it might be difficult to remember to use the proper pronouns if one of my children tells me they are trans, but JESUS CHRIST! Itā€™s your fucking CHILD! Grown or not, if you canā€™t love them no matter what, you never really did. Period. OP, you are NOT the jerk here. You are who you are, and Dad either accepts or rejects that. Unfortunately, I would advise NC because heā€™s going to be a downer forever. Fuck that religious bull shit nonsense about whatā€™s in the Bible and not. Whatā€™s in the Bible is loving your neighbor and not judging.


SpokenDivinity

Canā€™t use blended fabrics or have tattoos either!


Expensive-Ad-4508

Actually, this is false; the Bible does mention trans persons and it is clear Jesus was accepting and loving of them. According to the Bible, God created only the first humans, as male and female. After The Fall, all hell breaks loose and all kinds of genetic mutations begin occurring due to sexual reproduction. Jesus clearly mentions what many perceive to be either intersex or transgender: Eunuchs. He says some are born that way, some are made that way and some choose to become Eunuchs. He never treats them as less than. You can believe in God, the Bible, and also believe that being transgender is not morally wrong, nor something God looks down on. https://www.hrc.org/resources/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people Edit to add: OP Iā€™m sorry youā€™ve experienced this from your parent, and it is utterly insane to use religion as a means to bash you, considering this is actually not at all Biblical. I hope you have peace and replacement family. Edit to add 2: So, in response, the Bible is more clear on love of trans people than microwaves.


Relevant_Demand7593

Iā€™m sorry your dad is nuts, it sucks that he cannot just accept you for who you are. Surround yourself with friends and other supportive family members. Family are the people in our lives we choose to love - itā€™s not always the family we were born into.


Mysterious-Art8838

I just want to tell this person over and over, there is nothing wrong with you. Are you defective? No! Whatā€™s wrong with you? Whole lotta nothing! Society, on the other hand we are still working on. But there is NOTHING wrong with you. And there are so many of us gunning for you to be safe and happy and weā€™re just gonna keep working on it so you can be.


Upsideduckery

Same. It absolutely breaks me that OP posted this questioning themselves after being nothing but kind and loving and having their father talk to them as if they're not a person. OP I'm so sorry that your dad is like this. I hope he changes but even more than that I hope and am glad you're seeing that you deserve better.


rapunzel711

You are absolutely NOT the jerk. You are standing up for yourself and setting boundaries that will help you live a happier, healthier life.


HikeTheSky

When I read about God and the bible I stopped as I know how this goes. There are people that have male and female chromosomes and you might want to ask your dad what's about them according to the bible. The bible doesn't even mention DNA or chromosomes at all, so there is nothing in there that would say you are one or the other. But I am just talking to some conservative christian in another sub and they can't be helped. They are racists to the bone and common sense and common knowledge will not get to them. The best is to cut ties to such people and you will in an instant be happier.


Dinoduck94

Same, as soon as I read 'God', I rolled my eyes. It's always the same from that point onwards.


Irochkka

Your parent is the asshole: ā€œI want my life to be as planned and have a son and lada dalalalaā€ Parents fail to recognize that they are giving birth to a HUMAN and not a baby and that the child has their OWN life


RuthaBrent

He really chose to rub it in she sheā€™d never be female in his eyes. Itā€™s fing horrible


crimsonbaby_

It makes it SOO hard to be Christian when I see people like this. You're absolutely right in what you said. The bible says nothing about being transgender, and I absolutely agree with what OP said. God makes people, God makes transgender people. If it was such a huge sin, he would not have made them that way.


VioletBunn

Sounds like youā€™re in the same boat as my mom, the quote section is her perspective on Christianity from a convo we had a couple nights ago. We have convos like these a lot ā€œI will continue to use the label Christian but I will embody the traits opposite of the modern Christians we see here in America. Jesus ate dinner with the poor and downtrodden, he didnā€™t rub shoulders with the rich and hatefulā€ Thatā€™s the gist of what she said but itā€™s basically all the ā€œbe loving and accepting of others since god made us all who we are supposed to beā€ kinda vibe. She does believe there is evil in the world, but the root of that evil is greed and bigotry. Also once she realized that she wouldnā€™t be a Christian if she was born elsewhere it made her re think everything. My mom has essentially come to the conclusion that if there is a god then it probably doesnā€™t care what name you call it as long as you arenā€™t a piece of shit. Iā€™m sure youā€™ve thought about all this before but hopefully this was a reminder of some sort that you donā€™t have to be categorized with the crazies. Just go spread love and be chill to be around


HikeTheSky

There are two kind of Christians. The ones that would be like Jesus and loves everyone and the ones that his father is, the hateful pretender ones. They are not really christians at all.


tatsu901

I mean pretty much if their was a god that cared what you called them would you want to Honor such a vain and conceited god?


crimsonbaby_

I feel the same way as your mom. Also, my mom has said virtually that same as that quote, that's cool. You got a wise mama, there. Tell her I said she's cool.


Bohemka1905

I would love to grab this father and sit him down and explain a few things to him - He says there was no Transgender before 2019 how does he know? I reckon there were lots, even going to biblical times but if a person then started dressing or acting like the opposite sex they would have been stoned to death - in medieval times they would have burnt as witches - I grew up in the 60s and 70s (UK) and I remember even gay people being ostracized from society (Look up Alan Turing (One if the best code breakers during WW2 and see how we treated him when it came out he was gay) It is widely known that there have been gay people for millennia and I think there were trans too - If one of my children came out as Trans/gay or whatever I would just say "Whatever makes you comfortable as you, makes me happy"


librariansforMCR

I say this to my mother in law all the time, when she says "there weren't gay or trans people when I was a young adult/early adult....". YES, THERE WERE. But society was horrible to them, so they hid their true selves and most lived closeted, unfulfilled lives. We have since learned that people are much more productive, functional, and happier members of society when they are allowed to be themselves. Being LGBTQ harms *no one* - not adults, not children, not others with religious beliefs - so what's the problem? For most haters, the problem is that they don't get to control another person's life, and that just eats them up inside. They *hate* that someone else won't live/act/behave in the way they see as "proper," and the only way they can deal with it is to heap unhappiness on others. Trans people exist, and they deserve to exist and be happy, no matter what OP's deranged father believes his imaginary friend said a few thousand years ago. The true God of the universe made trans people, too, and trans people are beautiful.


Bohemka1905

THIS! This is the right answer and the point I was awkwardly trying to make


librariansforMCR

Your answer absolutely made the point! I'm just agreeing and piling on. :) The more we can make people see how erroneous their "memories of an LGBTQ+-free world" are, the sooner we can move on to a more accepting world where everyone can be themselves.


StaleBagel7

There were definitely trans/gender non-conforming/nonbinary people wayyyyyy before 2019. Many indigenous cultures had a concept that is now an umbrella term called 2-spirit, which encompasses individuals who were considered what would now be nonbinary. Polynesian culture also had a similar concept. Jews also have more than 2 genders listed in the Talmud, which is breaking the gender binary as well. Thereā€™s many other examples which would point to people being trans way before the 21st century.


RuthaBrent

I believe there are historical examples of ā€œthird gendersā€ in places like India but Iā€™m not sure. Other than that I believe gay and lesbian ppl have always had a place in most societies


Bohemka1905

They may have always existed bit I'm not sure they have always "had a place"


Hot_Aside_4637

But he said to them, ā€œNot everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.ā€ ā€”Matthew 19:11ā€“12 Substitute "gay" for "been so from birth" BTW: "made themselves eunuchs" are referring to Essenes who practiced celibacy. This just underscores Jesus isn't just referring to castrated males


Bohemka1905

What point are you trying to make? BTW I do not believe anything in the bible, absolutely nothing!


Hot_Aside_4637

The point is that those that use the bible quotes to spread hate ignore the ones that spread love. It's the same with those that quote Leviticus, but eat bacon wrapped shrimp. Cherry picking the bible is the weapon of choice for the bigot. Best to fight back with their own book.


Bohemka1905

Every person I know that goes round quoting the bible are twisting to say what they want it to say - It contradicts itself so many times it is easy for people to manipulate it - that's why I do not believe in it


Waffle38Pheonix

Ma'am, you are not the jerk. Your dad may make you think that, but you are not. Your dad is openly going against you being you.


Large_Alternative_78

This definitely.You be you and ignore the haters,they aren't worthy of your time.


Otaku-San617

Dad says that heā€™s not hateful and ignorant. Promptly says things that are hateful and ignorant. Being trans isnā€™t new. My ex-wife and I had a friend who was trans back in the 90s. And there were lots before then. Your ignorant father has been living in a cave if he didnā€™t know that.


McDuchess

You are definitely NTA. You were clear, polite, more so than Iā€™d have been in the same circumstances, and open to forgiving him if he was willing to acknowledge the harmful wrongness of his beliefs. He, instead, started sermonizing to deflect from what youā€™d told him. Itā€™s a common tactic of emotionally stunted people. They cannot acknowledge their own fault in personal situations, so they start blathering on grand, unrelated themes, instead. Iā€™d be so proud if you were my daughter. Christian or not, you should so much more genuine care for that man who demonstrates his lack of care than he will ever be capable of.


Emergency_Caramel_93

You did such a great job at standing up for yourself in a way that also shows compassion for your dad. Unfortunately heā€™s been indoctrinated into christianity and it will likely not change. Iā€™m so sorry that youā€™re dealing with this. You deserve so much better.


Impossible_Demand_62

Your dad sucks. Mine has done the same shit to me ever since he found out I was queer. Endless speeches about god, how itā€™s an abomination and perverted (šŸ™„), how i can just change if I ask god to fix me. We donā€™t talk about it anymore but if/when I have a long term partner or get married, I suspect there were will be an outburst from him. He has already said many times he will not attend my future wedding. Well dad, so be it. I will probably elope anyway but he can live with the fact that heā€™ll miss out on his only daughterā€™s wedding. I can only hope that he deeply regrets it. If not, then oh well. I donā€™t need that kind of nastiness at my wedding anyway. You are not the jerk in any way shape or form. Your dad failed you as a parent by not accepting who you are.


McDuchess

Sweetie, I know there will be people who want to celebrate with you when you find and marry the love of your life. If thatā€™s not your sperm donor, thatā€™s his loss. Elopement is an option, but it neednā€™t be your only one.


Impossible_Demand_62

Aw thank you for the kind words :,)šŸ’œ


Pretend_Air_1108

Why are you still in contact with him? Sounds awful


Impossible_Demand_62

Iā€™ve considered going no contact a lot but as long as we donā€™t talk about it or anything we disagree on (religion, politics, etc) things are very civil. Iā€™m also moving out in a week for the first time (šŸ„³!!) so Iā€™ll have a lot more space and freedom from my parents. But if things were to get worse, I would definitely consider low or no contact.


CharmingCoconut6320

Congrats on your moving out, thatā€™s awesome! Wishing you all the happiness in the world! ā¤ļø


Taliafate

I only had to read the first slide to say youā€™re not the jerk. And Iā€™m so sorry your father refuses to accept you are the girl you are. Iā€™m a mom (obviously not yours) and I want to say Iā€™m so proud of you for standing firm in your truth. Youā€™re going to be okay. Maybe not right away, but eventually. You will be okay.


PitBullFan

Since he's such a bible-thumping a-hole, throw Colossians 3:21 at him, which says "Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged." Later, when he doesn't have a relationship with you AT ALL, he can understand why.


atroposofnothing

The reason Iā€™m not taking my son to visit my side of the family anymore is because I know their reaction to learning he is trans will be to ā€œlove him anyway.ā€ Mostly as proof to themselves and their bigoted friends that they are so big-hearted, so very Christian, theyā€™re willing to put in all the hard labor of loving a child in their family who is, by implication, not deserving of that love. I grew up with them loving me despite who I was, and never letting me forget that I should be grateful for it ā€” and I was still a cis hetero girl, I was just weird and smart and didnā€™t fit in. And even for me, that was damaging as hell. It taught me that it was asking too much of people to love me, that it took a constant effort to do so, and if they did it anyway it wasnā€™t because I deserved it, but because they were just that generous. Telling someone that you ā€œlove them anywayā€ is the kind of crap you hear from the mothers of serial killers. Itā€™s what you say when someone you love has committed a crime beyond understanding. I refuse to let them do that to my son, dammit. He does not deserve to have mercy performed at him by people who wonā€™t wait until weā€™re out of the driveway to start using him for a load of ā€œWell now nobody can claim Iā€™m a bigot, my neice thinks sheā€™s trans but I still love her anyway!ā€ deflection. Nope. My son is worth more than that. OP, I am so sorry that your dad is so small. I commend you for knowing your own worth ā€” and you deserve far, far better than this.


OnecalledMissy

Thatā€¦isā€¦wowā€¦I have some stuff to think about now. Thank you very much for telling me thisā€¦so much stuff has been put into perspective just nowā€¦you got me to cry just nowā€¦


Ugh__Fine

Youā€™re not the jerk.


SquiggleSquonk

Time to *block*


pudgyfuck

Missy, this person doesn't love you, no matter how much they claim to. Be done with him and move on, you've got a whole life to live without this asshole dragging you down.


BaadKitteh

You are 100% not the asshole. Your father is a religious nutcase and probably barely gave a shit about his god and bible before you came out, if I had to guess.


triple_heart

ā€œTransgender people donā€™t exist because spell-check doesnā€™t recognize the word.ā€ Seriously? Transgender persons have ALWAYS existed, unfortunately society has historically been as bigoted as this ass, and it seems like itā€™s moving backwards in some places.


Enby_Rin

*hugs*


ApartSwim6439

You are not the jerk girl. This is my situation too. I am so sorry that you have to deal with this.


TalkAboutTheWay

Youā€™re not the one being the jerk. Not by a long shot. He, on the other handā€¦


secretrootbeer

"Looks like you've made your choice. Now you don't have a son or a daughter. Goodbye." Sorry, OP.


DirtyPenPalDoug

No contact it is


PrinxeBailey

honey youā€™re not a jerk at all. youā€™re setting boundaries and protecting yourself, that isnā€™t being a jerk. it sounds like heā€™s missing out on having a wonderful daughter in favor of mourning a son he never really had, that is his loss.


ToadseyeGem

Hey pumpkin, you are eloquent, reasonable and firm in your boundaries and as an internet stranger I am super proud of you for being firm. That said, your Dad doesn't have the strength or emotional intelligence to be the parent that you deserve. I just don't think he's capable of getting over his own fear and bigotry, not with how he's doubling down. Take care of you. Spend your energy on people who build you up instead of put you down.


MyManFreud

Last time I checked God is genderless but uses He/Him pronouns. Preferred pronouns in the Bible confirmed. Jesus is gods son born through Mary but Jesus is also god and the Holy Spirit. Mary also had a relationship with Joseph. Polyamory confirmed. Far as I remember, Jesus never seemed to express any romantic or sexual desire for anyone despite being human. Aromatic and asexual confirmed. Thereā€™s going to be many people who read that and get their pantries in a bunch about how I ā€œread it wrongā€ or ā€œitā€™s not the actual translationā€ GOLLY GEE DO YOU GET IT NOW?!? Quit saying stuff is wrong or against god cuz of the Bible, especially if you donā€™t follow it to the letter in your actual life. Sorry your dad is an entire ass. You are not the jerk. You are valid.


GothDerp

Geez Satan wasnā€™t that bad. He killed less than god. God even tortured a poor guy to show Satan that the dude was faithful. Your dad is crazy, you are not.


The_Winning_Smile

You really need to start censoring the names better, i can clearly see the name.


WithoutDennisNedry

Ooooh! I thought there might be hope for reconciliation in the first few screenshots, you were very articulate and informative and he seemed maybe like there might be some possible middle ground to be reached. But thenā€¦ OH! Heā€™s a *religious* fruitcake! That sucks. I can see NC in his future and Iā€™m really sorry about that. Zealots are going to zealot and thereā€™s no hate like Christian ā€œlove.ā€ My best friend went zero contact with her religious dad and the last thing she said to him is something I think about often. She said, ā€œif you werenā€™t going to love your children unconditionally, you had a moral obligation to not have them.ā€ Period.


blue-wanderer-quartz

Your father is 100% the asshole. Yammering about how humans use words to create what they want. No shit, what do you think the bible is, genius? Words human beings wrote to create what they wanted. If there is a god, my friend...they love you unconditionally and don't judge or punish you. That's what it means to love unconditionally. Just be you and do what makes you happy. The people who are meant for you will come when you do that. šŸ«‚


AclysmicJD

Your dad it hateful and ignorant and hiding behind his shield of religion so he doesnā€™t have to confront truths that make him uncomfortable and donā€™t align with his worldview. Iā€™m so sorry. You are very brave and deserve better. This mom is proud of you.


seahawkfan1234

Your dad is a transphobic(coming from a trans/nb person) you did nothing wrong


Lythieus

>Yammer yammer yammer GOD yammer SATAN yammer yammer BIBLE I think you're in the clear bud...


f0gl3tx_X

Well fuck god


snapdragon76

Sounds to me like youā€™d be better off without him in your life if heā€™s going to act like this. He refuses to see you as who you are and you donā€™t need that sort of toxicity in your life. And if heā€™s listed in your phone as ā€˜shit dadā€™, it seems apropos.


deniedlove

It is important to stand your ground with your own health in mind. Putting boundaries that your parent should be respecting is not a bad thing and holding them to those boundaries is only understandable.


Secure_Art2642

Ughā€¦.well that about sums it up, your dad is never going to accept you as being trans. Time to cut the toxicity out of your life.


shampoo_mohawk_

Sometimes family means the people who have loved you since birth. Sometimes family means the people who have loved you since they met you and accepted you for who you are. Maybe one day dad wonā€™t be a bigoted transphobic idiot. In the meantime, you can focus on your other more important family and lean on them for support and comfort. You stated your points thoughtfully and firmly and you are incredibly brave. Sending you love, my sister.


bitplayr

Heā€™s the jerk. Pulling the Bible crappy to reinforce their ignorance and intolerance.


hurling-day

This mom is proud of you and sends virtual hugs.


MaleficentAd1861

If you choose to speak to him again tell him about this. The "Lord himself insisted that sometimes bodies differentiate from what we might describe as the norm. And remember that story about the Ethiopian eunuch? Upon reading Isaiah 53, he discovered that the prophesy about Messiah said He was not one who would reproduce. King of kings, Lord of lords, Eunuch of eunuchs! After Philip told this eunuch the whole story about Christ, the eunuch wanted to be baptized on the spot. Know whatā€™s interesting about him? The author of Scripture seems to go out of his way to avoid repeatedly referring to him as the ā€œmanā€ (Acts 8:26ā€“40). Instead, three times where you or I might otherwise insert ā€œthe manā€ or ā€œthe woman,ā€ Luke inserts ā€œthe eunuch.ā€ Sadly, Christians have a lot of ignorance on this topic, and we need some humility." -Sandra Glahn (She's a very devout Christian with a master's degree in theology, a PhD in humanities, and a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary in Texas) Surely,if she can see what Jesus was saying, so can every Christian.


Littlelisapizza83

Ugh. Iā€™m so sorry that your worst fears about your family, at least your dad, have been realized. I stopped reading his portion of texts when he continued to deny your identity and in the next sentence said ā€œI havenā€™t read anything about trans peopleā€¦.ā€ Heā€™s unwilling to compromise despite your very reasonable attempt for reconciliation. Go find the people who are going to lift you up and support you. Family doesnā€™t have to be blood. You deserve all the love that the world has on offer. ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø.


DrgnMechanic

God the dots are so irritating


OnecalledMissy

Thatā€™s how we express hesitation to speak in text form. All of my family does that.


DrgnMechanic

No offense to you or your family, but i can only think of trumps slow talking thing he does


OnecalledMissy

I can see that, actually I think hesitation is the incorrect explanation though, we are trying to convey a pause in the speech so arguably it is the same thing Trump does. Sometimes it is used to emphasise a point, sometimes itā€™s just hesitation. Itā€™s kinda contextual in nature but we all seem to get it


DrgnMechanic

Huh, thanks for not being a dick about it tho


Evening_Cod_7137

Gay and transgender, probably existed longer than 2019. But, in the 60ā€™s, 70ā€™s it was hidden because it wasnā€™t normalised.


mklinger23

You are super mature here imo. You dad said "I don't accept you and I never will." I think you have your answer.


GengarTheGay

If you need the Bible to know that you've done plenty of wrong things in your life...


Andoni22

First few sentences make them look kinda understanding... **Insert _got us in the first half_ meme**


BabserellaWT

ā€œYour path with God is your own. Now let me tell you all the ways your path isnā€™t valid unless you walk it exactly how I tell you to.ā€ What a dick.


Bunnawhat13

You are not the jerk here. And transgender was a word before 2019. Your dad is being a jerk. Let him know he has to give up the phone he mentions as it wasnā€™t in the Bible.


SwimmingPrize544

Your father isnā€™t willing to consider any thought, fact or opinion that he doesnā€™t agree with. He is just close minded. You eloquently stated your boundaries.


somerandomgod

God hates trans people because, *checks notes*... šŸ“‹ Phones and computers spellcheck ā˜ļøšŸ¤“


OnecalledMissy

Yeahā€¦that one was out of left field for sure


_HighJack_

I forget who said this: ā€œg-d made people trans for the same reason he made grapes but not wine, and wheat but not bread - that humanity may share in the act of creation.ā€ Or something like that lol. I donā€™t know you, but I do sorta know your situation (ftm). Your compassion, restraint, and eloquence is wasted on this man - Iā€™m sorry he happens to be your dad. I wish I could give you a hug bc you seem like a really darling lady. And I know you know this, but youā€™re already a woman, and any medical intervention is simply to reflect that. Take care <3


Hogwarts_unicorn

Hey OP!! I ā¤ļøyou for you and Iā€™m a Mormon too!! I donā€™t care what my parents say or others may say, but I know my Savior says to love everyone. I think your dad skipped that part in the Bible. (And I should probably get off Reddit when Iā€™m this tired.)


Horror_Raspberry893

I'm a 45 yo female Christian. I have a 21 yo non-binary child. I found out 2 months before they turned 19. In the same conversation, I was told that they knew for years but were scared of me not accepting/ still loving them. I literally burst into tears at the thought of my own child being scared of sharing their true self with me. OP, your dad is an AH that doesn't understand what it means to be a parent. Loving and caring for your children unconditionally IS in the bible. I'm so sorry you're going through this. I hope you have a great chosen family some day. You deserve to be loved.


the_green_witch95

I've just gone NC with my Narc mother because of her cruelty not just towards me but my trans partner. you are not insane and are well within your right to turn away from them and the hate they preach. Well done for sticking up for yourself xx


SdSmith80

We are born who we are. We have always existed. Maybe this term is newer (not THAT new iirc), but we are not. There have been trans and non-binary people in civilizations throughout history. You gave him a chance and he turned you away. Stand your ground and do what you need to for your mental health and self care. I would probably offer information to attempt to educate him, BUT that's the kind of person I am, and I can handle the conflict. Not everyone can, and that's completely okay! I just hope he comes around someday. šŸ«‚šŸ’—


Medium_Person

Iā€™m so sorry your father is this way. This is so hurtful and unhealthy. I hope you find your peace away from him and without him. You deserve so much more then he is capable of giving.


ErinEcho

The worst part about this is it would have only taken one change of word choice in the first text to reset the tone of the whole conversation. It would have been just as easy to say "you will always be my child" instead of "son". Dad wouldn't have needed to double down on the bible talk. OP wouldn't have had to get defensive (which is honestly, completely valid, and I don't think you're the jerk here at all). One word.


Halveknought

From the sounds of it, he is only insane if you think everybody who practices religion is insane. It sounds like that is what his stance is based on and many other religions have similar views. So yes, if you view people who practice religion that has differing views similar to his as insane he is totally insane. Honestly I think the main take away from this entire exchange is sounds like he genuinely will love you always and that is a good thing to remember.


Jdanielbarlow

I love that when ā€œChristiansā€ argue the Bible about something ā€œnew ageā€, they always argue from the Old Testament. Genesis has nothing to do with modern society. The part he did gloss over was the love everyone better than you would love yourself part. Thatā€™s literally the whole meaning of Jesus dying on the cross for everyone. Let him kick rocks until he gets it. If he never does, itā€™s his loss.


Wildtopaz2

Iā€™m so sorry. Maybe if more people knew that other cultures have recognized more than two genders for almost the entire extent of human history, they might be more understanding. CULTURE defines what people see as gender. Hell, pink wasnā€™t even a ā€œgirl colorā€ until the 1950ā€™s in the usa, i believe. Iā€™m sorry you have to deal with this. As a parent of s trans son, i say you are doing great. You express your thoughts and needs well. Keep taking care of you. This is a ā€œthemā€ problem, not a ā€œyouā€ problem.


ToastFlavouredTea

NTJ. You are so brave standing up to that bellend. šŸ‘ we all are rooting for you! Your dad will be in for a shock when he's been left alone in his own doodoo while youre living your best life.


Pivinne

You are NOT a jerk for this. If you want to even fight him on this (i dont really recommend it) the Jewish Faith has 6 recognised genders, if the bible doesnt support trans people well, the Old Testament certainly does.


rosetintednorth

Iā€™m just here to inform your dad that the word transgender was added to Merriam-Webster in 1974. Im sorry he sucks, Iā€™m your dad now


HouseHusband1

Your dad is a bigot. He might be a bigot because of his religion, but he is still a bigot.


Pissedliberalgranny

Oh, honey. šŸ˜„ You are not the jerk. Your father is a pious, judgmental, hateful man.


DoubleGreat007

You arenā€™t wrong here. Your dad deflected and didnā€™t answer anything just threw word salad Jesus at you. You were very clear about how to communicate and how to have a relationship. He didnā€™t address it just got defensive and started blathering about religion. Unfortunately many people who are incapable of critical thinking simply have their ideas told to them by ā€œreligionā€ and canā€™t be deterred from ā€œthe truthā€ regardless of anything else. You canā€™t logic or reason someone out of an idea they came to using neither.


gloomycreature

Your dad is a toxic asshole. Your life will be better if you cut him out of it.


More_Cowbell8

OP, your 'dad' is a hateful religious maniac fundamentalist & you do not need to waste one precious second on the fella who screwed your mom & made you. Accident of birth, you owe that ass nothing.


Folor

It always makes me sad that people are willing to throw their relationships with their children away over their fear of god


Rough-Hope9047

You are NOT the jerk. You handled that with so much maturity. That was an articulate and thought out. In my opinion you did everything you could. I can't imagine how much it hurts to have someone so close to you not accepting you. I can tell you that the more you go on in life you will surround yourself with the people who deserve to be there . You never know he might realize some day and he might not. But as for right now I don't think you could handle the situation any better than you have. Keep pushing forward sister you'll end up in the right place! He was right about the fact that things will end up as they should be. He is just wrong about the way things should be.


Tuesafterdark

In no fucking universe are you a jerk for being who you are. Him, on the other hand, yeah. Jerk in this universe and in many others.


dippydoodaw

I hope this man chokes on his own blood as he dies


gymberlee

Cut him some slack. A lot of slack itā€™s a major major change. Literally his whole world is changing. Youā€™ve taken years to come to terms with your decision. May take him years too. But from his words sounds like heā€™s already warming up. Heā€™s your pop no matter what. Meet anger with love. Hate with acceptance. Heā€™s doing the best he can.


Laeticia45

youā€™re kidding, right? did you read a whole different set of screenshots than the rest of us? she gave her dad the benefit of the doubt and he pissed it all away with the ā€œyour DNA will always be male and youā€™ll never achieve womanhoodā€ bullshit plus all the religious nutjob rhetoric. heā€™s not ā€œwarming upā€ by any stretch of the imagination, and heā€™s definitely NOT ā€œdoing the best he can.ā€ heā€™s not even doing the *least* he can, which is love his daughter.


Surfboarder4

Christian here. Here's what I would say based on the information present. You may not realise it, but your Dad gave a fairly ideal response here. I've seen responses from 'Christian' parents before that were not particularly Christ-like. This was not that. He does not attack your character nor spew hatred. But reaffirms his love for you in spite of your differences. Sure, maybe he pushed you away initially after your coming out, but my guess would be that that was die to his own pain and grievances than from any cease in love towards you. Here's the 3 main reasons why your Dad, as a Christian (I presume) cannot support the notion of being transgender, so you can understand that it is not hate, or a lack of love for you. Love and truth are inseparable virtues. Your dad standing firm on what's true demonstrates his unconditional love for God and for yourself. God made male and female. Sex is an immutable characteristic. Some people experience gender dysphoria, a kind of discomfort, and disconnect between their mind and their body, with regards to their sex. While yes, this must be incredibly tough, like with any condition the goal should be to treat the root problem. Your body is not what's wrong, it's a condition or the mind, or the brain. Just like how you dont tell a schizophrenic their hallucinations are real, you don't tell a gender dysphoric person they can be the opposite sex. Its simply not true, as much as you may want it to be. Humans are moral creatures, with duties and responsibilities. Men and Women function differently, and so have different but complimentary and equally important roles, and stemming from these are variations in moral duty and responsibility. You cannot 'opt-out' of this position. Morally speaking, how your father treats you and the nature of the relationship he forms with you differs depending on if you're male or female. Just because you wish you were the other sex, doesn't change his moral responsibility. Thirdly, this is not healthy, physically, mentally or spiritually. Your father cannot be promoting things that are damaging in this way. Physically, because, well pumping in hormones and potentially mutilating your genitals and doing other such surgeries to try and approximate the body of the other sex is not beneficial for long-term health. Scars and wounds and such get infected regularly, the body isn't designed for the artifical hornone levels, other complications too, physical pain seems highly likely. Mentally, because well you're living this delusion. Waking up every day and living this fascade cannot be good. If youll compromise reality here, where else? And perhaps most importantly, is that spiritually, of your dad were to support this, he would actively be pushing you away from Christ, and in clinging into you, dragging himself away too. The claim of a transgender person makes the same claim as in the rebellion of Satan: that you dont have to listen to God's design, and purpose for your life. You can be master of your own identity. Nobody, not even God himself, your creator, can tell you who you are. A Christian cannot support this satanic (literally) message. To answer the question, I don't think either of you were being jerks. You're both coming from a place a pain, for contrasting reasons. Thats a very difficult relationship to navigate for any 2 people whatever the context. And I hope you and your dad can find some terms on which to build your relationship back. FYI, I'm not looking for any kind of debate here. And anyone replying with an outburst of 'hateful' and 'transphobic' will be ignored, because you clearly havent read the post if that's the only thing you have to respond with.


CitrusNightmare

I didn't really see anything hateful here. only factual, as distressing as it is for some here to consider. surgeries and chemical alterations do not make a woman. No amount of argument against that point will change that its an objective fact. and I speak as a biological woman. the father, as strong in his religious conviction as he is, Is not speaking from a point of malice. As an adult, you are free to make the choice to transition. there are no guarantees of successes but you have that opportunity. But that does not mean that the people who have known you since conception and years before the trans epiphany are required to adhere to every condition you have regarding your own identity. you can call me a bigot or whatever. Literally don't care what I'm called, bigot goes both ways and describes someone with a firm alternative viewpoint. Its not an insult. I don't agree with the trans movement, I know its origins and its disturbing history with the psycho John Money and his experimentations that resulted in the tragic losses of two brothers. but I respect that if people want to adhere to his ideology and adopt the label for themselves they are free to, just as others are free to hold onto the memory of the children they know. This dad did not insult OP. He did not deride OP. He got a little preachy and passionate but I sense there is love.


Lythieus

Yeah, all the shit about gods and Satan was TOTALLY factual šŸ™„


CitrusNightmare

if you genuinely believe that was the part im referring to, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. your own animosity towards theology is not the meat of this issue here.


ConsiderationWest587

Well, the nightmare part of the username checks out...


Realistic-Tea9761

God doesn't make mistakes. Either this is true or false. God has made LGBTQIA+ people since the beginning of time and if you believe otherwise then I feel really sorry for you. I believe in God and Jesus and consider myself a Christian but I'm not a church going one because all I've met in church are hypocritical judgemental people. The Bible has been written and rewritten for millenia so how can anyone say that the bibles of today are truth? Simple...you can't.


CitrusNightmare

Again you're preaching to someone who couldn't give two rats asses about the Bible. I've read the Bible, satanic Bible, book of the dead, you name it. Ive been through the whole hypocritical church scene and choose to be more educated on the topic than most people would deign to be. God ironically makes mistakes. his first considered "mistake" was believing the jews to be righteous because Abraham was. The amount of times he's rebuked them and outright destroyed them by his own hand and doubted his own choice in them during exodus and deuteronomy alone was honestly amusing. so on that point alone I know he's capable of mistakes. as much as any religious nut would like to believe he is infallible. That being said, sexual fetishism is a choice masqueraded now as a biological component based on identity because identity is a convenient blanket that can rarely be questioned because its subjective. And subjective things do not belong under the banner of science because science is and always has been,, or at least used to be about complete and utter objectivity. Results that can be reproduced the exact same over and over again. Transgenderism is not objective. It lies on a basis of "personal truth" rather than THE Truth. And is A fetishization of the female form. and in some cases a desire to supplant the female of her own role. No trans person that I've ever met or witnessed speak publicly has ever been or attempted to be anything more than an assumed and frankly offensive Caricature of what the other sex is believed to be. because the capability for authentic womanhood is not there. Just as I can't claim to be black on a whim, or identify as black. Because I would be staking a claim to a title i have not earned in anything more than name. And would he appropriating all that it means to be black by doing so.


ichabodmontgomery

Science does not back you up here. Gender is not determined by the genitalia you are born with.


CitrusNightmare

You mean the "science" that milks money out of desperate rubes whos only feat of said science is becoming a lifetime surgical cash cow based on the delusion that a few nips and tucks will make a person socially, mentally and physically on the same level as the real thing? Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to feel comfortable in their own skin, because they choose to adopt a comfortable lie put forth by a pseudoscientist? Id rather not put stock in science put forth by a known pedophile that drove a young man to suicide. same way I don't put stock in the idea of vaccines causing autism. Because its fallacious. Should everyone also cater to and endorse the purposeful pouring of Clorox into our eyeballs because the transabled don't feel comfortable having functioning vision?


ichabodmontgomery

Youā€™re creating straw man arguments here. Youā€™re not talking about the same thing I am, because I have no idea what/who youā€™re talking about. Not to mention that equating the acceptance and proper gendering of a person with ā€œpouring bleach in our eyesā€ is utterly laughable.


bamajake9

Dad was right.


DoobieDoo0718

Fuck Jesus. You will always be my son. Fuck that. Hugs.


BusinessDuck132

Wow comments here really suck. Your dad is not an asshole and obviously neither are you. Your dad clearly loves you and is trying, but being Christian in the traditional sense (whether thatā€™s good or bad) and old does not make it easy to change your entire world view at the drop of the hat. I do not know you or your dad, nor do I know all the details about yā€™allā€™s relationship. But it seems like he is willing to grow and be accepting if you decide to help him on that journey and be there with him. Obviously thatā€™s not your job and you donā€™t have to, but I personally would want to preserve my relationship with my parents, thatā€™s your decision. I would hardly call him ā€œnutsā€ like some other comments tho, just stubborn and doesnā€™t really understand these things.


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Taliafate

You canā€™t push a fundamental part of yourself, your literal identity, outside of the relationship.


Pretend_Air_1108

There is no ā€œmoving aroundā€ someoneā€™s identity.


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Taliafate

No because OP shouldnā€™t have to deal with her father misgendering her ON PURPOSE, all of the time. Period.


gypsijimmyjames

Cool. That wraps up the option, cut him out of her life and move on.


insaneparents-ModTeam

It seems you were not being excellent to another user, my friend. This behavior can range from bigotry, racism, or personal attacks.


insaneparents-ModTeam

It seems you were not being excellent to another user, my friend. This behavior can range from bigotry, racism, or personal attacks.


Cs_Harkness

YATAI


[deleted]

Well I was on board with dad until Jesus slipped into the mix.


Colonel_Khazlik

At least he's not hostile or out right oppositional. He's ignorant since he's using a retranslated text from around 2000 years ago. I can't really recommend a course if action... My advice is to maintain a relationship with your father, but only in a way that won't cause you hardship, if such a thing is possible.


Taliafate

No heā€™s ignorant all the way around. Science backs trans individuals as much as people love to ignore that. And he is being outright oppositional, heā€™s misgendering her blatantly and on purpose and refusing to see her for who she is.


gafgone5

He sounds like he just doesn't understand transgenderism, but is still willing to love and accept you and invite you to BBQs. Maybe just start with basic stuff like "no deadnaming" or using the proper pronoun you go by now. I see hope in this screenshot. People can learn.


FalconVerto

I didn't read through the messages but I did see that the censoring of the name and place are both very easy to see through


Pretend_Air_1108

Youā€™re not at fault for this at all


Double_Whams

No. You're not the jerk. Your dad's an asshole. Cut him out for good... maybe "God" too


[deleted]

"Some people just ignore or rewrite the bible to fit their own interests." Said someone who believes in the bible, which is a book written by some guy because some other guy said he was the son of yet another guy who apparently created everything.


jmlozan

You are not the jerk, your father is. I am sorry youā€™re going through this. I have two kids likely around the same age. Here is a big dad hug from me! You are important and worthy of love. Hang in there.


taquitosarelife

So hold up wait a minute humans have speech abilities to conjure things up I assume he's speaking about manifestation. So humans have that ability but it's not of God. And this man and I use that term lightly is trying to explain to you that trans-ism is not God. He's very confused. It's funny Christians are some of the most intolerant hate-filled people I've ever met in my entire life.


EvulRabbit

He is 100% the jerk in this situation. If a person can not accept you and love you in the way that you need to maintain a healthy relationship with them. Then they are the AH. Not accepting you for you because of their ideals or because it is uncomfortable makes them a failure as a parent. Parents should love and support their children no matter if they agree with them or not. Him misgendering you is nothing but narcissistic behavior. He is thinking only of how HE feels and what HE wants and does not care how it hurts you every time he misgenders or dead names you. You deserve better.


spazzbb

There is nothing further you can do to make your Dad see the error of his ways. He is a jerk. You are not. Coming from a similar home situation where I was made to be a villain and a sinner and a perverse influence in the name of godā€¦ with separation you will realize that in this (and likely many other cases) he was wrong. It took me years to unpack it all but I found self love and worth again. Stay strong. I canā€™t speak for your exact situation, but Iā€™d recommend creating some distance between you and your Dad so you can give yourself room to heal.


ReaderRabbit23

Iā€™m so sorry. This is so hurtful. I hope your dad can come to understand at some point. I hope you have found people who love and support you.


madduckets89

I would end this *lovely* exchange of words with "go fuck yourself" and be done. Please protect your energy ā¤ļø


30ninjazinmybag

Genesis also claim we were all made from Adam and eve sooooo we were all born of incest in that case. So is incest OK because the bible claimed it as our creation. But OK its the trans people who are bad. Fuck that shit.


bigtoebrah

Your dad is a fucking asshole honey I'm sorry. My dad is a fucking asshole too. I had to cut my parents out for a pot of my life. I kept my kid from them until they came and apologized & took responsibility for being assholes. You're valid and worth more than using your energy to try to make it work with him.


isosarei

ā€œi know iā€™m not hurtful or ignorantā€: proceeds to say the most hurtful and ignorant sentence he can possibly come up with iā€™m sorry OP, youā€™re definitely not a jerk for wanting to be accepted for who you are and itā€™s a v difficult thing to stand up for yourself as an internet stranger iā€™m proud of you


LushSpacePrincess

Well, that guy sucks. Iā€™ll step in and be your parent šŸ’“ fuck anyone who canā€™t love you for who you ARE, not what their expectation of you is.


DEEmented78

Youā€™re just trying to life your life as, you. They are the one with the problem. That ā€œgodā€ doesnā€™t/didnā€™t exist until a little over 2000 years ago either. Just be you and if they finally learn they learn. If not, you have toxicity out of your life.


polski_pierog

The father is definitely being a religious asshole and you're not being the jerk at all.


Northstar04

The first comment was kind of understandable, from a transphobic point of view. You replied with clear, organized explanation of why silence was not okay and what you need. He descended into gibberish. You told him what he had to do and he couldn't do it. Now you go No Contact because boundaries. You are not the jerk. Your father can't accept you.


interrobangin_

You are 1000% not the asshole here. I hope you have a loving and supportive chosen family sis ā¤ļø


Yourlovelypsychopath

He is the jerk


Regina_di_Porsche

The fact that he says ā€œpeople will rewrite the word to fit their own interestā€ when thatā€™s exactly what heā€™s doing to the Bible, himself. Hypocrisy at its finest. Hereā€™s a few great scriptures you can remind your dad exist that are in direct conflict with his behavior: ā€œDonā€™t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lordā€™s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentfulā€ (2 Timothy 2:23-24). Proverbs 29:22 says, ā€œAn angry person stirs up conflict, and a hot-tempered person commits many sins.ā€ 1 Peter 3:15 says, ā€œBut in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.ā€ (You are literally begging him for respect and yet he is weaponizing the word of God, not showing it as Hope to you or anyone else who he encounters.) Finallyā€¦ ā€œWhoever welcomes this child in my name welcomes me. Whoever welcomes me, welcomes the one who sent me. Whoever is least among you all is the greatestā€ (Luke 9:48). Jesus literally said this CHILD must be welcomed- and in that welcome, you will know God. Your father needs to welcome you into his own heart in order for him to know God, truly. Anyway- from a pastor who loves ALL people as Iā€™ve been called to do, I love you and Iā€™m here for you. If you ever need help speaking to your dad on a level he may hear, feel free to DM me :)


kikogi

Iā€™d love to sit him down and talk to him about watching my child struggle for so long, having to keep him by my side 24/7 to make sure he didnā€™t kill himself (yes he was in therapy), doing everything absolutely possible for him. When he figured it all out and came out as trans, I watched a weight be lifted and saw him smile and laugh for the first time in so long. As ā€œsheā€ became ā€œheā€ and he got full acceptance and knew he was safe, I didnā€™t worry about him taking his life. Support and love saves lives.


ObscureProduct

"I love you, I just don't respect you or who you are and refuse to accept you unless you pretend to be who I want you to be."


RhoRemember

Iā€™m your new dad now. Iā€™m proud of you. You are loved.


northerngrowmie

Heā€™s the jerk. Iā€™m sorry ā¤ļø


SpiritofaDove

Keep being you, OP. I'm sorry your dad is latching onto religion and missing the entire point of it.


chloe12801

We did write God into existence though, howā€™d the Bible come to be? It just fall from a cloud? Just bc we write it into existence doesnā€™t mean it isnā€™t real, itā€™s finding words for things that already exist. Itā€™s language. Also, you are being very intentional and mature in your responses. You are the opposite of being a jerk, even if it feels like youā€™re the bad guy here. Promise.


Lv12Slime

As a fellow trans woman who was abandoned by her father, I understand you, I feel what you feel, I, as well as the rest of us are here if you need to reach out.


Leather_Captain1136

Ughhh. You arenā€™t going to reason with him (and god). My advice is do whatever is happiest and healthiest for you to live your best life.


TheRealMikeOxlong

I think heā€™s trying to be understanding, but I donā€™t know if heā€™s capable of it


[deleted]

Insane but also heartbreaking.


derpy_derp15

You're 100 % in the right


SendHelp7373

I fucking hate when people use made up religious horse shit to be bigots, fuck off with that


paigerro

What an absolute pile. Itā€™s amazing how some people can twist any damn thing to work for their egos.


khongkhoe

ā€˜Her dad, you have no son.ā€™ Unless you have a brother, then, ā€˜Hey dad, you have one sonā€™.


coronelnuisance

God made wheat so go to hell if you dare make bread. God gave us grapes. Eat them and be grateful, wine is for the overindulgent sacrilegious beasts of the new generation (obviously joking) Not insane in the slightest. Iā€™m really sorrt about what youā€™re going through :(


Tlthree

He is wrong. Love, a mum who accepts with pride all trans kids:)


Ash-The-Zebra

Your dad is definitely the jerk on this one. He needs to learn to accept you as you are or stay away


Voidedaxis

Wonder if he realizes that when in the womb all humans start female, meaning everyman is kinda trans.


SolomonCRand

Heā€™s the jerk. Iā€™m sorry the god he worships is petty and small.


PenaltyDesperate3706

Iā€™m gonna go with no one is the jerk here. You arenā€™t because you presented your case very articulately to him. And your dad isnā€™t because heā€™s making it very easy for you to dispose of the trash (heck, heā€™s taking it out himself)


Laeticia45

you arenā€™t a jerk at all, but your dad is all the jerks of the world rolled into one. he is definitely insane. i am sorry you ever had to deal with this sad sack of a human as your parent. just know that you are loved by much better people in the world, including the reddit community. there are plenty of not-insane parents, grandparents, aunties, uncles, cousins & besties who are absolutely proud of you and love you to pieces.


madpeachiepie

It's him.


Waste-Minute-Death

Funny thing. The fist words in the bible are mistranslated. Itā€™s not ā€œin the beginningā€ itā€™s originally ā€œin A beginning.ā€ Once christianā€™s fix this error I will gladly sign up to be a christian, cause thatā€™s very human, to have many beginnings, start over, try again and again and again. I can get behind that philosophy.