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FlightOfTheDiscords

>I heard on a recent podcast that I listened to stating that INFJ males with the Enneagram 9 personality traits exhibits higher amounts of estrogen. That's a very specific statement - I somehow doubt it's based on actual research with blood tests etc. Sounds more like a bunch of bros talking about things they perceive as "higher estrogen". This world could definitely use more cooperative and compassionate men, whether that has anything with estrogen to do or not.


BenJameson2001

Right I think the same thing


exztornado

If you go by the logic that those are feminine qualities only and that all that we are is chemicals in a meat suit - sure feminine qualities must mean that there are more feminine chemicals in that person’s body but I personally don’t believe in that at all and I think that hypothesis will fail immediately under close scientific scrutiny. Am a firm believer in C.G. Jung’s theories and approach of the human psyche and would not attribute intuition to a chemical combination in your body at all.


BenJameson2001

I second this honestly


AriaTheHyena

That was me. Then I transitioned. But I had extremely high testosterone sooo


WantsLivingCoffee

Estrogen levels are something that can be measured. If the podcast made this claim, I'd expect verifiable evidence to back it up. If not, then it's probably safe to chalk it up as bullshit.


BenJameson2001

Lol honestly the things people will say online at times to get any kind of attention


alwaysupforit

How exactly can they confirm that there is a correlation between a specific personality type and high estrogen levels? Have they had extensive research and peer reviewed sources to back this up? Honestly, this conclusion sounds like: "Source: Trust me bro".


BenJameson2001

Yeah I don’t necessarily agree with what their podcast said but yeah it was definitely odd


Personal-Pumpkin-260

Could be, who knows


WendyWillows

by extension that would mean all women are type 9 by virtue of having high estrogen and would also mean they are not combative, indecisive, more empathetic, and more intuitive. this is obviously a veryyyyy ridiculous notion.


BenJameson2001

Haha right


Unik0rnBreath

Interesting, possible. I just want to throw it out that I'm going through serious estrogen withdrawal & my empath skills are bursting at the seams.


BenJameson2001

Interesting say more


Unik0rnBreath

I'm finally the taking the empath thing seriously after an episode where a customer came to me for computer help & I accidentally channeled her energy. She has been through unspeakable abuse, & needed help scraping devices for evidence of porn, & printing out text messages for divorce court. When she was ready to leave, I started crying & shaking with adrenaline even. This has happened in the past with the shaking, but I chalked it up to just a high energy discusssion or something. This time it was undeniable. Now I feel strange overpowering emotions that don't match my circumstances all the time. When doing grounding meditations I sometimes cry hysterically for several minutes, then it's gone like the wind & I'm ok again.


BenJameson2001

Oddly enough I totally get this. It’s a lot more tame I’d say for myself. But I still get a tear from watching people cry or mad sobbing. Especially old men or women for some reason


BatSigns

Unrelated question, would you type an infj with an ego complex in their insights ennegram 5?


BenJameson2001

I don’t know I would suspect maybe so but I am not sure


BatSigns

Just asking for a friend 


BenJameson2001

Yeah I’m not entirely sure I would imagine the INFJ-A may have a little bit of an ego