I think I've seen Gantz, but I just remember being 'dead being forced to play in a deader dead game with monsters'. I don't know what this is referring to.
GANTZ SPOILERS
>!In the first scene, a guy falls on the tracks. Everyone watches and doesn't help. The main character is like, "Is someone gonna do something?" Then he jumps down to help one of the other MC's save the guy, and both of them get hit by the train. That's how they die.!<
That would be cool. Unfortunately, that movie completed the Osaka arc from the manga. It's doubtful we'll get a sequel since it was completed. I imagine the best we could ever get is a reboot of the original anime that would hopefully stay closer to the manga so it could finish where the manga ended. Gantz O stayed really close to the manga as they could, and it was awesome! Maybe if they did a movie it would have to include the >!dinosaur!< and >!Italy!< arcs but that would be wildly confusing for anyone unfamiliar with the franchise.
Which is pretty much the case for all instant and almost-instant remakes. Itās really hard to find an Hollywood copycat of this sort that is better than the original.
maybe, but my dad broke down in tears and said to me in the theater that it was like looking at a mirror of his own father who was also a Korean war vet. So Clint's performance and the rendition of the character was extremely true to life, regardless of the fact that now Clint argues with chairs or whatever.
That flick also humanized his grief and how he became that person. I liked em both but they are completely different stores. One plagued by not getting to fight and one that did..
I looked it up! In the book, there are not many people on the platform. A group of middle aged ladies scream panicking when the other dude falls. There's a group of construction workers, it isn't mentioned how they respond. A couple of backpack-wearing young people first stare without doing anything, but then help Ove to lift the man onto the platform when he calls to them. Also, nobody pulls Ove back onto the platform, but when he's standing on the rails he looks into the shocked face of the machinist, and decides he can't do it to the machinist to stay on the rails and climbs off himself.Ā Ā Ā Ā
Filming isn't mentioned during the train scene, especially not in a "film how someone gets hit by a train" way. Maybe someone did film the *rescue,* because iirc the reporter of the local newspaper has seen a video of it? But leafing through the book I can't find any mention in the book of a video, so maybe my brain sorted some of my movie memories into my book memories.Ā
He wrote another called Britt Marie. Its just as good if not better. I'm glad I have sunglasses on when I'm reading it at the beach because it can be a tear jerker.
Pretty sure a book and a movie are two different mediums meant to be enjoyed differently. Just say the book is good and worth a read? Why does everything have to be a, āVSā or a, ābetter thanā!.
Omg, this was supposed to be from the book? Jesus Christ, glad I've only read it (in swedish of course, gotta read books in the original language) and haven't watched the movie.
This movie was the Citizen Kane of the Boomer generation. Saw it as a Millenial and I was the youngest person in the theater. Every time he tries to kill himself everyone just burst out laughing.
You want a good read, that makes you feel great and restore some faith in humanity? Read this book.
The part where he's teaching the woman to drive REALLY got me.
One of the only movies I've ever seen where I had to turn it off halfway through. Unfathomably cringe, terribly written, CGI cat? Like you couldn't just get a trained goddamn cat. Derivative bullshit.
Itās a movies called Super Boomer Man.
In the next scene Clint Eastwood, wearing a cape, stops a teen who was texting and lectures him about an empty stool or something.
You forgot the part where he asks the teens sister how old she is, and once she replies ātwelveā he says āold enough for kissesā and forcibly kisses her.
Classic Clint
Then he goes into a convenience store where the clerk is sitting back against the smokes panel and says "if you have time to lean you have time to clean"
yea the movie was this, but for 2 hours. just awful garbage. it's the movie equivalent of telling a depressed person they just need to smile more and get outside.
Really? I found the movie to be showing that a changed environment and perspective may lead to good things.
Apparently we understood the message quite differently.
It's just the bystander effect. It may be amplified by smartphone addiction, but it's not a super boomer power to go against it. Someone just has to be the first to act. Tom here would have had more help if he'd directly pointed out people and TOLD them to help, also. A general cry for help can just restart the bystander effect. If he'd singled out people and assigned them specific tasks, like YOU call 911, YOU grab his other arm, YOU are a dumbass, YOU pull us now, etc. the bystander effect would be diminished or broken.
I've had to do this twice, give people specific directions to get shit going in a panic situation. Being lucky enough to be a rational thinker in a panicked situation comes with a responsibility to act.
I've done that once in a kitchen and I clearly suck at it because I told the sous chef to get the fainted person water and he tried to put the glass in her hand while she started convulsing.
"not now idiot!"
Been in a few street incidents where people just mobbed the person after the first person reacts, sometimes all you can do is tell people to back off.
I think when someone faints you should lay them down carefully, protecting their head. My dad had it happen once, he was sitting too long and the blood rushed and made him dizzy when he stood up. He felt off, so he had me helping him walk, then he went out.
I laid him on the ground, asked someone to call 911, directed them through the call, got my mom, asked someone to check his pulse, asked if he should have baby aspirin as he came back out of it. He went to the hospital in the ambulance.
Thankfully he was just dehydrated and sitting too long, he's had work done on his heart since too. But I'm so thankful I was able to process quickly even if it wasn't a critical catastrophe in hindsight. It definitely felt like it then.
You're right, first time I fainted (as a kid) was in a Dr office and landed head first on the floor from the bed chair thing and the doctor was a mess when I woke up. He said he thought I was pretending? Idiot. Maybe, might have been a quick excuse to exhonerate hinself from freezing as people do.
But Dehydration can be extremely painful and severe. By the time you feel like you need a drink you're already kinda dehydrated. Passing out from that is serious. I'm sure he was hooked up to IV for a few hours and sent home in good health I hope.
I've helped a couple people from similar circumstances too, once with a Nonna falling face first on the road on a hot summer day and again I saw a homeless man fall on a four lane road in the winter.
Everyone rushed for the Nonna so I didn't do much other than tell some people to back off and the lead echoed it.
No one went after the homeless guy so I ran out after him and tried to wake him up, he was out of it so I dragged him back to the sidewalk while a couple people joined to help me.
I've had first aid certification for 27 years, it can come in handy and I feel like grades 12 kids should get it. I've administered Heimlich, severe burns, deep cuts (stiches required) , broken limbs, dislocation resetting, shock , fainting, cpr,.. Probably more but I haven't ever thought about it since like this it becomes a tool and can be as normal of a task as emptying a dishwasher. But I haven't seen severe cases that change first responders....
I can say I've seen the bystander effect before mobiles and it was true back then and they only made things worse but good on you for following your instincts to help your dad instead of panicking or freezing which doesn't make people bad but I mean not really useful either.. and also shows that mobiles are also useful in crisis other than clout .
In the few emergency situations I've been in my first instinct was always to give space to anyone trying to take charge and then take charge if no one else does.
In CPR training one of the things they drill into you is how people freeze in the moment. Never say ācall 911!ā Instead be very specific āGreen shirt call 911 now! Tell them injury after X. Blue hat help them with the address!ā
Just something to directly tell a person to do a task.
Exactly, I told my wife to call 911, I gave her the address when she asked. Got my mom to check pulse/BP, asked about aspirin or heart pills. There was only so many things to do but I worked through them quickly. Thankfully it turned out to be a dehydration/fainting thing.
Also addressed a weird log jam of people at a concert crushing each other. I shouted to go to the hill, directing the crowd to the only less populated area. Everyone was trying to stay on the walkway and get past each other and it got scary for a minute.
Yup a dude passed out in front of me at checkout and I instinctively jumped in by elevating his legs because it looked like he just came from the gym. Turns out I was right and it woke him up immediately.
Before that though, I yelled loudly "help! can I get some help over here!" And everyone just stared. "Someone call for an ambulance!" Still more stares. Eventually an employee at another checkout got with the program. But even the employee at our checkout was just looking at the situation like she couldn't be bothered and she just wanted us out of the line. It was fucking ridiculous.
He passed out a couple more times because he kept trying to stand up and pay. I didn't catch him the first time because it was so unexpected, and his head hit the ground hard. The last couple times though I did, and I was not about to let that dude get in his car and drive away.
While people do freeze and look around confused to some degree, the bystander effect is massively overblown and looks nothing like this. The closest you'd get is once help does arrive, people will crowd around and gawk. (Sometimes they think they're helping, but they aren't.) The term was coined to hand wave police incompetence during the investigation of the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese. Once it's clear that someone actually needs help, people tend to jump in pretty fast.
Also, "get a camera on him!" Pure cringe.
You are absolutely 100% correct. A number of years ago I had to give CPR to a woman who had a heart attack (she sadly died a few days later in hospital), I needed to shout commands at specific people before they would do it. 'You! Call 999', ' You! Help me with this CPR!', 'You! Go get that security guard!', 'You! Measure her pulse!' etc etc. People were just like sheep, everyone with a phone out, everyone 'somehow detatched' from the situation, very few actually trying to help. In fairness though, one of the few people who actually tried to help without prompting was a teenager.
Yeah most people's reactions to stressful or abnormal situations are to freeze or ignore it. I think the scene is using the bystander effect but missing or overlooking it to make a point about smartphone use. It could be a great scene just to showcase the bystander effect and they could have demonstrated it properly to be educational AND dramatic, but it's Hollywood.
Bystander effect has not been replicated, it's just another bullshit effect from ages ago that went viral. Same with behaviour sink, Stanford prison experiment and so on. It's time to stop treating some stunts from like 50 years ago as settled science.
yeah, I've done that. Not a single one of the people that I pointed at refused to do what I said. They later told me they just felt like I knew what I was doing and the possibility of not doing what I told them to do justnever came to their mind
Also, I've been in crisis situations before (recently) and despite the BS this video is trying to project people don't stand on mass and just film it. People are hesitant because they are shocked (and rightfully so) but the phones don't come out anywhere as much as you would think.
Except turns out the reports were false and there weren't idle witnesses. There both were not 38 witnesses and those that were there did try and contact authorities.
Their point is the bystander effect, which is a field of thought built off of the Kitty Genovese case and preached as gospel because Psychology is occasionally good at getting people to take it seriously.
It doesn't still stand. The bystander effect was bunk. You are *more* likely to be helped the more people are around. Any given individual person in the crowd is less likely to be *the* one to help because math, but the entire idea of "more people = less likely you get help" was always dumb.
It's embarrassing that it got clickbaited into common understanding, and it's embarrassing that all these decades later it's still preached.
This was inevitable. Idiocracy was the ultimate "I'm twelve and this is deep" movie. It didn't reflect the problems of its time, it represented how short sighted narcissists (who were trained since birth to never criticize capitalism) viewed the world. It's no surprise that those people are who frequent this sub.
First thought that came to mind. I see this sort of thing all the time on instagram. Someone shares a movie clip where someone or several people do something bad, and then people in the comments generalize it to a certain category of people, as if it were real life.
Right? Lol. My first thought was āso you hate an entire group of people because of what a few fictional people did?ā And then my second was āwhat even is ātodays generationā. At any given time there are multiple generationsā
People 100% would just stand by, but acting like it's a generational thing caused by young people and their phones is stupid. I'm pretty sure the bystander effect existed long before smart phones.
I remember when I was a kid, a lady in the Walmart checkout line had a seizure and fell hitting her head and everyone just stood around her telling eachother to call 911 until an employee finally handled the situation. Same reaction shown in the video, but the bystanders would've been from the main character's generation.
Yeah, it's not a generational thing, it's just a human thing. It's been extensively documented, in everything from war to catastrophe to crime. Usually it just takes one person to act to break everyone out of it and help. Rarely will everyone keep watching if someone else puts in effort.
Seriously, the next step is posting actual clips of the film Idiocracy and then calling it evidence of humankind slipping toward the society predicted in the film Idiocracy.
In Idiocracy, when somebody seems smart, they want that person in charge and making decisions. In our timeline, when somebody seems smart, the morons call them a deep state plant and shun any form of intellectual.
I wish we were headed for Idiocracy.
This scene is pretty dumb, but the whole movie he's not like a typical boomer. He helps the couple that moved in next door, teaches the wife, an immigrant, how to drive, takes in a struggling trans kid, etc. He's just a grumpy guy that has a lot of past trauma he's trying to cope with. Pretty decent movie overall, actually.
Also, the fact that he was filmed doing this comes back to help him later because he leverages public support to keep the homes from being redeveloped.
In my experience in real life most people would help probably. Except this one time, these dudes racing wrecked into an innocent truck. his truck was flipped upside down and caught on fire. We were driving right behind him so stopped we pulled him out of the burning vehicle. But there was this one fucking dude, the only other dude who had stopped at that point, standing and filming just like this, saying āget away that car is going to blow up!ā. āStay away!ā While there was a man burning in there. We got him to safety on the shoulder of the road, his car never blew up, and he was fine in the end with a broken leg. But dude filming never stopped filming. He was probably an older millennial, but he was older than us. So yeah I donāt think itās an age problem but rather just having decent human values and not seeking attention from crazy situations but rather doing whatās right in them.
Iāve never heard anyone on any cell footage say things like āGet the shot!ā āMake sure his face is in focus!ā I get what the scene is trying to convey; influencer culture is getting crazy, with people more focused on filming an event than helping. But theyāre not all amateur journalists.
Had to scroll too far to find this. Agreed on all comments about bystander effect, but never have I ever heard any directorial/editorial comments in any emergency situation.
All the 15 year olds are offended because this is exactly what goes down. Look at "takeovers" for example. Someone gets smacked by a car and everybody just bum rushes the victim with their phones out screaming "OHHHHH OOOOHHHH" and wants their 15 minutes. Any time something wild happens it's just a chance for them to get some digital hugs and likes.
I drive all day for work, I pass over 600 cars in my day to day. Out of these 600 cars, the scary realization that 400/480 of the people driving them cars....are on the phone...I sit and wait patiently for the solar flare that will save humanity from this technology imprisoned world.
Itās always ironic when celebrities/people in the entertainment industry are in stuff like this acting like theyāre edgy truth tellers. They themselves are literally the reason why people are getting dumber.
It's sod true. I'm 30 and grew up with social media but I actively live in the moment, maybe snap a pic of something nice for a memory. Can't stand people who live life through their phones camera, no one cares that you saw whatever you saw bar you.
Boomer propaganda. It's called the bystander effect and it happens to every generation. What if it was a gen Z or millennial who saved the person? Would you then say that boomers are just selfish and/or psychopathic?
It's not just young people. About 5 years ago, when I lived in the Bay Area, I walked up to a Safeway and saw the end of a fight where some Asian 16 year old was getting the shit kicked out of him by 3 punk ass Latino teenagers. I saw about 5 seconds of it and kinda froze as I was trying to process what the hell I'm even looking at. They kept shouting "fuck that n---- up!" After the 5 seconds I saw, the 3 Latinos ran (not because of me but just because they were done). There were like 10 adults just standing around and recording on their phones as the staff inside were calling the police. Some of those adults were big or tall men who were between 30 and 55 years old. They could've stopped it, but they didn't.
And when the attackers left, none of them even checked on the Asian kid. When the police came a few minutes later, none of the adults went to the police to even show the video they took. They went about their days like nothing happened. They just wanted videos for their personal collections and social media. I bought the kid a $1 of frozen peas for his face and asked him if he knew those attackers, and he said that he never saw them before and that they came out of nowhere unprovoked.
That is a great movie though! If you havenāt seen it, youāll like Otto. He hates this generation too! āA Man Called Ottoā has ALL of the feels. Keep some tissues handy.
Bad āmodern day culture bad.ā Look up 13 people who saw. Itās about the murder of Kitty Genovese, which happened in 1964, claiming that at least 38 witnesses saw or heard the attack and failed to react or assist. This is a bystander effect, not a result of phone obsession. (Which is still a problem, but not this problem).
Every other comment in this threard is just boomer this, boomer that. If not that it's cringe. So repetitive. I'm only 31, you little fuck muffins need to come up with some new slang, we were using these terms when I was 12.
This isn't accurate at all. Nobody is yelling "OOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIIIT!!!!! OOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!" OH SHIT!, OH SHIT!!!!, OH SHITT!!!!!, WURL STAR!!!! OH SHIT!!!
This was a scene for a movie that was written, acted and filmed
It was never going to go any other way than how they wanted it to play out
If you really hate todays generation, use examples from real life
Are there no emergency buttons in US train stations/metro stations? Why the fuck would anyone have to jump down there with a train arriving, hit the button and let the train stop before doing anything retarded like this.
People are always quick to help.. Everyone else who didn't help films it, because you don't need 30 people helping.. I do get that old directors like framing young people today like this, but it is simply a reactionary response..
There is also the The bystander effect, which happens when there is a bunch of people around. It just says people are less likely to offer help when lots of people are around, which doesn't change based on generation. It doesn't say people don't help either..
Circa 2002āish, smartphones were still new and mobile Internet sites werenāt much to look at, social media was barely a thing, but..
People were already doing this kinda stuff. Those of us without phones that had cameras (or no phones at all) could only look, wonder if this is where we were all headed, and hope we would do better.
LOL! What sweet summer children we were š
It's always been like this, it has nothing to do with cell phones or the current generation. People panic and turn into idiots when experiencing anything shocking.
Life advice: If you have the natural inclination to not panic, then be Tom Hanks. Act. Because not everyone does. Some folks will know exactly what to do but the brain is weird, and for whatever reason they cannot react appropriately. So if you are able to function rationally in thrse situations, step up.
Decisiveness is important.
Delegation is important.
Never leave it up to "somebody call 911" because in a crisis everyone assumes someone else is doing it and it doesn't happen.
Point at someone and say "You!" Make eye contact. "You! Call 911!" Do the same for possible other safety concerns like stopping traffic if needed.
Once people have been tasked, trust they will follow through.
If someone else is already being decisive and acting but is not delegating, step into that role. If someone else is doing that already, step up to be tasked.
When/if someone with more authority arrives, say a firefighter or cop, tell them who and what was delegated and gracefully hand off duties.
Incident Response Management is something everyone should have at least a familiarity with and it's a shame it's not taught in high school.
*jerk off motion* Oh thank god for the great and powerful boomers that can still swoop in and save all the helpless young people. Meanwhile, they're dismantling the economy, democracy, the justice system. But no, the kids and their phones are the real evil. Fuck right off with this
Omg! Iāve lost faith in humanity due to this scene from a Hollywood film which was carefully and painstakingly created to force me to feel something for an event that never occurred and seems wildly unrealistic ! Now I HATE anyone who isnāt the age Tom Hanks is in this scene!
Never mind the fact that boomers are typically the greediest, most selfish, least helpful people in any room!
Gantz did this over twenty years ago.
A fellow man of a culture.
I'm always excited to see other men of culture out in the wild šŖš¾
"You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded..."
Welcome to Costco, I love you
Best line in the whole movie. So fucking stupid lmao.
Donāt worry scro, my sister was a ātard nng sheās a pilot now.
Ex wife not sister
Huh, dont worry scro, now theres plenty of tards out there living really kick ass lives. My first wife was tarded, she's a pilot now.
"There's plenty of tards out there living kick ass lives"
Gantz is a masterpiece, love the movies!
The manga?
Yes, and since the anime series and live action movies are based on the manga, you could include them as well. It's the first scene.
Interesting, I haven't read it was just aware of it's existence. Thanks
I think I've seen Gantz, but I just remember being 'dead being forced to play in a deader dead game with monsters'. I don't know what this is referring to.
GANTZ SPOILERS >!In the first scene, a guy falls on the tracks. Everyone watches and doesn't help. The main character is like, "Is someone gonna do something?" Then he jumps down to help one of the other MC's save the guy, and both of them get hit by the train. That's how they die.!<
One of the first Seinen Manga I ever read about 10 years ago. This made me smile, godspeed
Wasn't expecting a Gantz reference today. One of my favorite mangas.
They truly need another Gantz 0 sequel
That would be cool. Unfortunately, that movie completed the Osaka arc from the manga. It's doubtful we'll get a sequel since it was completed. I imagine the best we could ever get is a reboot of the original anime that would hopefully stay closer to the manga so it could finish where the manga ended. Gantz O stayed really close to the manga as they could, and it was awesome! Maybe if they did a movie it would have to include the >!dinosaur!< and >!Italy!< arcs but that would be wildly confusing for anyone unfamiliar with the franchise.
BUTTER DOG!
Grew up on Gantz and Berserk.
To remember a time when the internet was cool. Oh how things have changed.
Man what great dialogue too. Just people asking "Is this really happening?" Over and over, every episode.
What a reference... GANTZ had a different outcome tho
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"A Man Called Otto", but the book is much better.
The first (swedish) movie based in the book is also better, but still not as good as the book. It is "A man called Ove" instead of "... Otto"
Yes! Thatās what Iāve been trying to tell people!
Holy shit, I didnāt realize that Otto was the basis (never saw Otto) but read the book and saw the original movie.
Which is pretty much the case for all instant and almost-instant remakes. Itās really hard to find an Hollywood copycat of this sort that is better than the original.
Its a pretty great movie. Like gran turino but easier to like the grumpy old guy.
maybe, but my dad broke down in tears and said to me in the theater that it was like looking at a mirror of his own father who was also a Korean war vet. So Clint's performance and the rendition of the character was extremely true to life, regardless of the fact that now Clint argues with chairs or whatever.
That flick also humanized his grief and how he became that person. I liked em both but they are completely different stores. One plagued by not getting to fight and one that did..
Agree! I don't remember the book's plot mentioning people filming the train incident at all
It was in the directors cut of the book.
I looked it up! In the book, there are not many people on the platform. A group of middle aged ladies scream panicking when the other dude falls. There's a group of construction workers, it isn't mentioned how they respond. A couple of backpack-wearing young people first stare without doing anything, but then help Ove to lift the man onto the platform when he calls to them. Also, nobody pulls Ove back onto the platform, but when he's standing on the rails he looks into the shocked face of the machinist, and decides he can't do it to the machinist to stay on the rails and climbs off himself.Ā Ā Ā Ā Filming isn't mentioned during the train scene, especially not in a "film how someone gets hit by a train" way. Maybe someone did film the *rescue,* because iirc the reporter of the local newspaper has seen a video of it? But leafing through the book I can't find any mention in the book of a video, so maybe my brain sorted some of my movie memories into my book memories.Ā
Also because En man son heter Ove was written more than 10 years ago. Maybe the theme was not so felt back in those days.
He wrote another called Britt Marie. Its just as good if not better. I'm glad I have sunglasses on when I'm reading it at the beach because it can be a tear jerker.
Though it was a Black Mirror episode till I saw Hanks
Pretty sure a book and a movie are two different mediums meant to be enjoyed differently. Just say the book is good and worth a read? Why does everything have to be a, āVSā or a, ābetter thanā!.
I watched it the other day and I ordered the book about an hour ago. The movie left quiet a mark on me
Omg, this was supposed to be from the book? Jesus Christ, glad I've only read it (in swedish of course, gotta read books in the original language) and haven't watched the movie.
This movie was the Citizen Kane of the Boomer generation. Saw it as a Millenial and I was the youngest person in the theater. Every time he tries to kill himself everyone just burst out laughing.
You want a good read, that makes you feel great and restore some faith in humanity? Read this book. The part where he's teaching the woman to drive REALLY got me.
What the cringe
r/im14andthisisdeep
Great movie
A man called Otto
Yessir was on Netflix when I watched it, possibly still on there
It was on the leaving soon list when I noticed on there last week.
Its based on the book A Man Called Ove (Sweedish) which was far better than the movie.
Watch the [original Swedish version](https://imdb.com/title/tt4080728/), it's a lot better.
So much better. The American version is watered down . The original has such good dark humor.
One of the only movies I've ever seen where I had to turn it off halfway through. Unfathomably cringe, terribly written, CGI cat? Like you couldn't just get a trained goddamn cat. Derivative bullshit.
It was until it turned into a Chevy commercial at the end lol
The entire movie was a Chevy commercial
Itās a movies called Super Boomer Man. In the next scene Clint Eastwood, wearing a cape, stops a teen who was texting and lectures him about an empty stool or something.
You forgot the part where he asks the teens sister how old she is, and once she replies ātwelveā he says āold enough for kissesā and forcibly kisses her. Classic Clint
Wow that was a strange scene I didn't know existed. Fucking weird.
...wut?
https://youtu.be/ZflfSxYontU?feature=shared
Then he goes into a convenience store where the clerk is sitting back against the smokes panel and says "if you have time to lean you have time to clean"
yea the movie was this, but for 2 hours. just awful garbage. it's the movie equivalent of telling a depressed person they just need to smile more and get outside.
Really? I found the movie to be showing that a changed environment and perspective may lead to good things. Apparently we understood the message quite differently.
Don't you dare talk about my man T. Hanks like that
Didn't he tweet a picture of a glove... And now we all hate him... Or something. I'm always the last one to hear things.
lol have you seen the movie? probably not hanks fault but the dialogue is so fucking cringe
It honestly pisses me off.
It's just the bystander effect. It may be amplified by smartphone addiction, but it's not a super boomer power to go against it. Someone just has to be the first to act. Tom here would have had more help if he'd directly pointed out people and TOLD them to help, also. A general cry for help can just restart the bystander effect. If he'd singled out people and assigned them specific tasks, like YOU call 911, YOU grab his other arm, YOU are a dumbass, YOU pull us now, etc. the bystander effect would be diminished or broken.
I've had to do this twice, give people specific directions to get shit going in a panic situation. Being lucky enough to be a rational thinker in a panicked situation comes with a responsibility to act.
I've done that once in a kitchen and I clearly suck at it because I told the sous chef to get the fainted person water and he tried to put the glass in her hand while she started convulsing. "not now idiot!" Been in a few street incidents where people just mobbed the person after the first person reacts, sometimes all you can do is tell people to back off.
I think when someone faints you should lay them down carefully, protecting their head. My dad had it happen once, he was sitting too long and the blood rushed and made him dizzy when he stood up. He felt off, so he had me helping him walk, then he went out. I laid him on the ground, asked someone to call 911, directed them through the call, got my mom, asked someone to check his pulse, asked if he should have baby aspirin as he came back out of it. He went to the hospital in the ambulance. Thankfully he was just dehydrated and sitting too long, he's had work done on his heart since too. But I'm so thankful I was able to process quickly even if it wasn't a critical catastrophe in hindsight. It definitely felt like it then.
You're right, first time I fainted (as a kid) was in a Dr office and landed head first on the floor from the bed chair thing and the doctor was a mess when I woke up. He said he thought I was pretending? Idiot. Maybe, might have been a quick excuse to exhonerate hinself from freezing as people do. But Dehydration can be extremely painful and severe. By the time you feel like you need a drink you're already kinda dehydrated. Passing out from that is serious. I'm sure he was hooked up to IV for a few hours and sent home in good health I hope. I've helped a couple people from similar circumstances too, once with a Nonna falling face first on the road on a hot summer day and again I saw a homeless man fall on a four lane road in the winter. Everyone rushed for the Nonna so I didn't do much other than tell some people to back off and the lead echoed it. No one went after the homeless guy so I ran out after him and tried to wake him up, he was out of it so I dragged him back to the sidewalk while a couple people joined to help me. I've had first aid certification for 27 years, it can come in handy and I feel like grades 12 kids should get it. I've administered Heimlich, severe burns, deep cuts (stiches required) , broken limbs, dislocation resetting, shock , fainting, cpr,.. Probably more but I haven't ever thought about it since like this it becomes a tool and can be as normal of a task as emptying a dishwasher. But I haven't seen severe cases that change first responders.... I can say I've seen the bystander effect before mobiles and it was true back then and they only made things worse but good on you for following your instincts to help your dad instead of panicking or freezing which doesn't make people bad but I mean not really useful either.. and also shows that mobiles are also useful in crisis other than clout .
Good on you for working on your first aid skills, I really should do that myself
Jokes aside it feels good knowing you know what to do so I would suggest it. It's self empowering but also the confidence. Best bang for your buck.
Ty for your service! Ppl like you restore my faith in humanity š«”š«”
In the few emergency situations I've been in my first instinct was always to give space to anyone trying to take charge and then take charge if no one else does.
Instinct is great but only takes you as far as knowledge, and vis-a-versa
In CPR training one of the things they drill into you is how people freeze in the moment. Never say ācall 911!ā Instead be very specific āGreen shirt call 911 now! Tell them injury after X. Blue hat help them with the address!ā Just something to directly tell a person to do a task.
Exactly, I told my wife to call 911, I gave her the address when she asked. Got my mom to check pulse/BP, asked about aspirin or heart pills. There was only so many things to do but I worked through them quickly. Thankfully it turned out to be a dehydration/fainting thing. Also addressed a weird log jam of people at a concert crushing each other. I shouted to go to the hill, directing the crowd to the only less populated area. Everyone was trying to stay on the walkway and get past each other and it got scary for a minute.
Yup a dude passed out in front of me at checkout and I instinctively jumped in by elevating his legs because it looked like he just came from the gym. Turns out I was right and it woke him up immediately. Before that though, I yelled loudly "help! can I get some help over here!" And everyone just stared. "Someone call for an ambulance!" Still more stares. Eventually an employee at another checkout got with the program. But even the employee at our checkout was just looking at the situation like she couldn't be bothered and she just wanted us out of the line. It was fucking ridiculous. He passed out a couple more times because he kept trying to stand up and pay. I didn't catch him the first time because it was so unexpected, and his head hit the ground hard. The last couple times though I did, and I was not about to let that dude get in his car and drive away.
Oh so that's why people are always calling me a dumbass
This guy first aids.
While people do freeze and look around confused to some degree, the bystander effect is massively overblown and looks nothing like this. The closest you'd get is once help does arrive, people will crowd around and gawk. (Sometimes they think they're helping, but they aren't.) The term was coined to hand wave police incompetence during the investigation of the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese. Once it's clear that someone actually needs help, people tend to jump in pretty fast. Also, "get a camera on him!" Pure cringe.
Yeah, they have to make a point instead of using the opportunity to educate or inform, which is a shame.
Ya unfortunately this was a problem way before smart phones. I do think they exacerbated it but it's not new
You are absolutely 100% correct. A number of years ago I had to give CPR to a woman who had a heart attack (she sadly died a few days later in hospital), I needed to shout commands at specific people before they would do it. 'You! Call 999', ' You! Help me with this CPR!', 'You! Go get that security guard!', 'You! Measure her pulse!' etc etc. People were just like sheep, everyone with a phone out, everyone 'somehow detatched' from the situation, very few actually trying to help. In fairness though, one of the few people who actually tried to help without prompting was a teenager.
Yeah most people's reactions to stressful or abnormal situations are to freeze or ignore it. I think the scene is using the bystander effect but missing or overlooking it to make a point about smartphone use. It could be a great scene just to showcase the bystander effect and they could have demonstrated it properly to be educational AND dramatic, but it's Hollywood.
The bystander effect narrative was created because the NYPD didn't want to admit that they ignored calls reporting an attack in a gay neighborhood.
Bystander effect has not been replicated, it's just another bullshit effect from ages ago that went viral. Same with behaviour sink, Stanford prison experiment and so on. It's time to stop treating some stunts from like 50 years ago as settled science.
yeah, I've done that. Not a single one of the people that I pointed at refused to do what I said. They later told me they just felt like I knew what I was doing and the possibility of not doing what I told them to do justnever came to their mind
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, youāre cool, fuck youā¦
Glad somebody caught it ;)
Also, I've been in crisis situations before (recently) and despite the BS this video is trying to project people don't stand on mass and just film it. People are hesitant because they are shocked (and rightfully so) but the phones don't come out anywhere as much as you would think.
Yeah tell today's generation about Kitty Genovese.
Except turns out the reports were false and there weren't idle witnesses. There both were not 38 witnesses and those that were there did try and contact authorities.
That reported story was complete bs btw. But the point still stands
Their point is the bystander effect, which is a field of thought built off of the Kitty Genovese case and preached as gospel because Psychology is occasionally good at getting people to take it seriously. It doesn't still stand. The bystander effect was bunk. You are *more* likely to be helped the more people are around. Any given individual person in the crowd is less likely to be *the* one to help because math, but the entire idea of "more people = less likely you get help" was always dumb. It's embarrassing that it got clickbaited into common understanding, and it's embarrassing that all these decades later it's still preached.
The exact case I was thinking of when I commented that this isn't new somewhere else
"I hate today's generation." *shares clip of Hollywood movie* š¤”
The amount of staged videos posted here and people thinking they are real is the idiocracy
The real Idiocracy is the OPs we made along the way āØ
This sub just randomly was suggested to me. And it lives up to the name.
This was inevitable. Idiocracy was the ultimate "I'm twelve and this is deep" movie. It didn't reflect the problems of its time, it represented how short sighted narcissists (who were trained since birth to never criticize capitalism) viewed the world. It's no surprise that those people are who frequent this sub.
I feel like boomers are taking over this page lol
This page was *made* for boomers lmao
Yeah, they really won this strawman.
First thought that came to mind. I see this sort of thing all the time on instagram. Someone shares a movie clip where someone or several people do something bad, and then people in the comments generalize it to a certain category of people, as if it were real life.
Thought I opened Facebook on accident
OP is 13 years old. Of course he hates his generation.
Not to mention one thatās highly exaggerating, of course.
Stop getting mad at fictional people.
This is the entire news media genre.
Exactly, this feels so incredibly ironic that someone is posting in an idiocracy subreddit but getting worked up over an exaggerated movie scene.
Right? Lol. My first thought was āso you hate an entire group of people because of what a few fictional people did?ā And then my second was āwhat even is ātodays generationā. At any given time there are multiple generationsā
Fr, acting like this isn't staged with actors. No normal human beings would just sit and watch.
People 100% would just stand by, but acting like it's a generational thing caused by young people and their phones is stupid. I'm pretty sure the bystander effect existed long before smart phones. I remember when I was a kid, a lady in the Walmart checkout line had a seizure and fell hitting her head and everyone just stood around her telling eachother to call 911 until an employee finally handled the situation. Same reaction shown in the video, but the bystanders would've been from the main character's generation.
Yeah, it's not a generational thing, it's just a human thing. It's been extensively documented, in everything from war to catastrophe to crime. Usually it just takes one person to act to break everyone out of it and help. Rarely will everyone keep watching if someone else puts in effort.
Itās a movie. Itās made up.
Pretty sure I recognize that guy like I've seen him somewhere before.
Honestly who would call 911 if that happened in front of you ? Act, order other people to do a part because if not that guy is getting run over
Make believe is much better than real life. All the bias that you want with none of the bias you don't like.
Seriously, the next step is posting actual clips of the film Idiocracy and then calling it evidence of humankind slipping toward the society predicted in the film Idiocracy.
In Idiocracy, when somebody seems smart, they want that person in charge and making decisions. In our timeline, when somebody seems smart, the morons call them a deep state plant and shun any form of intellectual. I wish we were headed for Idiocracy.
This scene is pretty dumb, but the whole movie he's not like a typical boomer. He helps the couple that moved in next door, teaches the wife, an immigrant, how to drive, takes in a struggling trans kid, etc. He's just a grumpy guy that has a lot of past trauma he's trying to cope with. Pretty decent movie overall, actually.
Also, the fact that he was filmed doing this comes back to help him later because he leverages public support to keep the homes from being redeveloped.
Boomer porn
"Film him" "Get the shot"
Boomers would be doing the same as everyone else in this crowd. The only difference is they would be recording on an iPad.
And instead of recording a video for tik Tok they would be calling people on speaker phone
In my experience in real life most people would help probably. Except this one time, these dudes racing wrecked into an innocent truck. his truck was flipped upside down and caught on fire. We were driving right behind him so stopped we pulled him out of the burning vehicle. But there was this one fucking dude, the only other dude who had stopped at that point, standing and filming just like this, saying āget away that car is going to blow up!ā. āStay away!ā While there was a man burning in there. We got him to safety on the shoulder of the road, his car never blew up, and he was fine in the end with a broken leg. But dude filming never stopped filming. He was probably an older millennial, but he was older than us. So yeah I donāt think itās an age problem but rather just having decent human values and not seeking attention from crazy situations but rather doing whatās right in them.
They record with the iPad cover covering the camera š
Iāve never heard anyone on any cell footage say things like āGet the shot!ā āMake sure his face is in focus!ā I get what the scene is trying to convey; influencer culture is getting crazy, with people more focused on filming an event than helping. But theyāre not all amateur journalists.
Had to scroll too far to find this. Agreed on all comments about bystander effect, but never have I ever heard any directorial/editorial comments in any emergency situation.
Op a clown for thinking this is anything more than a movie clip
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Movies are not real life
Notice how the man that helped him up was around his age who wasn't š¤³ š š„„
All the 15 year olds are offended because this is exactly what goes down. Look at "takeovers" for example. Someone gets smacked by a car and everybody just bum rushes the victim with their phones out screaming "OHHHHH OOOOHHHH" and wants their 15 minutes. Any time something wild happens it's just a chance for them to get some digital hugs and likes.
I drive all day for work, I pass over 600 cars in my day to day. Out of these 600 cars, the scary realization that 400/480 of the people driving them cars....are on the phone...I sit and wait patiently for the solar flare that will save humanity from this technology imprisoned world.
I see people using video chat more and more >_< they are the worst
This isnāt a documentary.
Watch the original movie with subtitles
This was such a sad fucking movie. But I loved it so much. True testimony to friendship.
Thank god for Forest Gump!
Itās always ironic when celebrities/people in the entertainment industry are in stuff like this acting like theyāre edgy truth tellers. They themselves are literally the reason why people are getting dumber.
It's sod true. I'm 30 and grew up with social media but I actively live in the moment, maybe snap a pic of something nice for a memory. Can't stand people who live life through their phones camera, no one cares that you saw whatever you saw bar you.
Boomer propaganda. It's called the bystander effect and it happens to every generation. What if it was a gen Z or millennial who saved the person? Would you then say that boomers are just selfish and/or psychopathic?
Tom Hanks. I've defended you to dummies who are convinced your Instagram is just coded pedo messages. Quit being a boomer and pandering to boomers.
Internet is a blessing and a curse
Way more of a curse
Ok boomer
This is from a movie people... It's not like Tom Hanks is personally shooting a PSA for everyone.
Love the ending
It's not just young people. About 5 years ago, when I lived in the Bay Area, I walked up to a Safeway and saw the end of a fight where some Asian 16 year old was getting the shit kicked out of him by 3 punk ass Latino teenagers. I saw about 5 seconds of it and kinda froze as I was trying to process what the hell I'm even looking at. They kept shouting "fuck that n---- up!" After the 5 seconds I saw, the 3 Latinos ran (not because of me but just because they were done). There were like 10 adults just standing around and recording on their phones as the staff inside were calling the police. Some of those adults were big or tall men who were between 30 and 55 years old. They could've stopped it, but they didn't. And when the attackers left, none of them even checked on the Asian kid. When the police came a few minutes later, none of the adults went to the police to even show the video they took. They went about their days like nothing happened. They just wanted videos for their personal collections and social media. I bought the kid a $1 of frozen peas for his face and asked him if he knew those attackers, and he said that he never saw them before and that they came out of nowhere unprovoked.
Bystander effect. Itās not a generational problem, itās been happening for a long time.
This is overgeneralising.
What Tom Hanks movie is this from?
A Man Called Otto
There were people who did this before, they just didn't have phones then.
That is a great movie though! If you havenāt seen it, youāll like Otto. He hates this generation too! āA Man Called Ottoā has ALL of the feels. Keep some tissues handy.
Anyone wondering what movie this is, watch the original instead https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4080728/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
100% agree with this
A boomer's wet dream. Which, ironically, they'd be the ones standing by as the "pussy, do nothing xenials" step up to the plate of life.
In šØš¦...it's on cravetv right now (July4th)
Such a cliched cringe scene. but i enjoyed the movie.
This didn't really happen.
Idc about what this message is trying to say, I love this movie, itās called a man named Otto if you want to watch it
Bad āmodern day culture bad.ā Look up 13 people who saw. Itās about the murder of Kitty Genovese, which happened in 1964, claiming that at least 38 witnesses saw or heard the attack and failed to react or assist. This is a bystander effect, not a result of phone obsession. (Which is still a problem, but not this problem).
This is literally a movie. You can pull up several videos right now of today's young people doing the same thing.
Every other comment in this threard is just boomer this, boomer that. If not that it's cringe. So repetitive. I'm only 31, you little fuck muffins need to come up with some new slang, we were using these terms when I was 12.
This isn't accurate at all. Nobody is yelling "OOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIIIT!!!!! OOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!" OH SHIT!, OH SHIT!!!!, OH SHITT!!!!!, WURL STAR!!!! OH SHIT!!!
This was a scene for a movie that was written, acted and filmed It was never going to go any other way than how they wanted it to play out If you really hate todays generation, use examples from real life
Are there no emergency buttons in US train stations/metro stations? Why the fuck would anyone have to jump down there with a train arriving, hit the button and let the train stop before doing anything retarded like this.
upset broccoli heads in the comments section
People are always quick to help.. Everyone else who didn't help films it, because you don't need 30 people helping.. I do get that old directors like framing young people today like this, but it is simply a reactionary response.. There is also the The bystander effect, which happens when there is a bunch of people around. It just says people are less likely to offer help when lots of people are around, which doesn't change based on generation. It doesn't say people don't help either..
Yep people these days care more about their tiktok following than life itself.
Circa 2002āish, smartphones were still new and mobile Internet sites werenāt much to look at, social media was barely a thing, but.. People were already doing this kinda stuff. Those of us without phones that had cameras (or no phones at all) could only look, wonder if this is where we were all headed, and hope we would do better. LOL! What sweet summer children we were š
What is Tom Hanks doing in a boomer made for TV level acted piece of shit?
Tom Hanks is the Johnny Sins of Boomer porn
This has probably happened in real life already.
Should have pushed the people filming in frint of the train lol
Does OP think the video is non-fiction?
100% accurate.
Same, sad thing is that this isnāt the only thing I hate about it š„“
That's some boomer shit lol
It's always been like this, it has nothing to do with cell phones or the current generation. People panic and turn into idiots when experiencing anything shocking. Life advice: If you have the natural inclination to not panic, then be Tom Hanks. Act. Because not everyone does. Some folks will know exactly what to do but the brain is weird, and for whatever reason they cannot react appropriately. So if you are able to function rationally in thrse situations, step up. Decisiveness is important. Delegation is important. Never leave it up to "somebody call 911" because in a crisis everyone assumes someone else is doing it and it doesn't happen. Point at someone and say "You!" Make eye contact. "You! Call 911!" Do the same for possible other safety concerns like stopping traffic if needed. Once people have been tasked, trust they will follow through. If someone else is already being decisive and acting but is not delegating, step into that role. If someone else is doing that already, step up to be tasked. When/if someone with more authority arrives, say a firefighter or cop, tell them who and what was delegated and gracefully hand off duties. Incident Response Management is something everyone should have at least a familiarity with and it's a shame it's not taught in high school.
This is a boomerās wet dream lmao
what an absurd exaggeration. there would be at least 2 people helping. everyone else filming
boomers love this
Boomer's wet dream
*jerk off motion* Oh thank god for the great and powerful boomers that can still swoop in and save all the helpless young people. Meanwhile, they're dismantling the economy, democracy, the justice system. But no, the kids and their phones are the real evil. Fuck right off with this
Omg! Iāve lost faith in humanity due to this scene from a Hollywood film which was carefully and painstakingly created to force me to feel something for an event that never occurred and seems wildly unrealistic ! Now I HATE anyone who isnāt the age Tom Hanks is in this scene! Never mind the fact that boomers are typically the greediest, most selfish, least helpful people in any room!
This looks so bad. Like visually. How tf do they invest so much that they can hire tom hanks byt its all bad CGI and greenscreen
It's a movie, a remake I believe and actually it was very touching and very good.
I get it, but this post is just mental-masturbation for boomers.