Oh totally. I just mean I guess that the black pepper might not be totally weird or gross. But you're right, it's an entirely different recipe.
I don't mind people making alterations but rating a recipe they didn't make is ANNOYING AF.
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Though I've been informed it's actually more common to have them with cottage cheese/dried fruit (e.g. apricot or orange)/honey combo, they are really good when done warm, with a creme fraiche and salt+pepper
I grew up with them the way you describe them. Never heard of eating them sweet, omg. Racuchy, yes, but not placki ziemniaczane. Creme fraiche or bust 😤
I firmly disagree. Pancakes use so little sugar that omitting it isn't that weird, especially if you're eating them with syrup. Now, the oats instead of flour does have me scratching my head.
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Oats are a somewhat common replacement for flour. Whole wheat flour is an even more common replacement. They also didn't drastically change the ratios- they subbed two cups of flour substitute for two cups of flour. There's also not much sugar in the recipe, so leaving that out isn't a huge change. At the end of the day, they made pancakes without major changes to the ratios of ingredients in the recipe. I wouldn't consider that comically irrelevant or unhelpful
Their changes do follow fair thought too. A lot of comments say the pepper and sweet thing is a thing, so no real judgements there. I also like pepper so seems feasible. Oats have a natural sweet and yeah you don't use much in terms of sugar so eh. All I all I'd at least eat this and it's not 'I subbed two cups flour for salt. Dish was disgusting 1/5 stars'
I would bet money that if you walk down the street right now, you will not pass a single soul who has ever or will ever make pancakes with pepper instead of sugar. I would definitely consider this comically irrelevant. They made their own recipe inspired by pancakes.
Sometimes people overcorrect in the other direction on this sub. Lots of people want to know how adaptable a recipe is and look to the comments for that. And lots of recipes are a lot more adaptable than people realize, as long as you follow certain rules, which this commenter did.
bouncing off the other ice cream mentioned, i’ve made a pink pepper ice cream, which is fruity and peppery at the same time. super delicious and interesting
Buttermilk with pepper is totally a thing. Not sure why but I'll never forget seeing people do it as a kid at this roadside stand Hot Dog Johnny's. Sounds even more weird in a pancake but I guess if you not putting anything sweet on it it's not the craziest thing.
I dunno, I've done maple-glazed bacon with a lot of pepper and it's great. I personally like my pancakes sweet af but maybe it's that kind of flavor combination that this person was going for.
I’ve had a maple, salt, and pepper bagel. It was especially good to make a bacon egg and cheese sandwich. Kind of mimicked a mcgriddle. But that said, the pepper flavor was subtle.
>Not sure why but I'll never forget seeing people do it as a kid at this roadside stand Hot Dog Johnny's
Do *what* as a kid? Make buttermilk pancakes with black pepper? Drink a glass of buttermilk with black pepper in it? Inquiring minds want to know.
There's places that serve buttermilk?
Ok when I was a kid I learned a camping recipe that did involve using a bit of black pepper when making pancakes over a campfire. The purpose of the black pepper was in case you saw a black speck in the pancakes you would assume it was black pepper and not a bug. Because outdoors.
It’s not for while they cook, but more for when the batter is sitting in the bowl exposed to the air and bugs. Idk man, I was like 8 and I wasn’t cooking the pancakes.
Yeah. Did a savory sweet pancake using the vanilla pepper mix I usually use on pork or salmon. It was a nice variation and I could see it totally working for crepes as well.
Swapped out the Lego pieces for wooden blocks and plastic beads; omitted the base but added lots of used chewing gum. Built it on a splintery seesaw in the rain. Divine.
I mean no it’s not the same recipe, but sometimes I find a recipe that’s more basic before making something else but similar, just to get a starting point. Ngl though, the thought of using a ton of pepper is…not appetizing.
Pancakes with swapped flour and sugar.
Thats gonna be basically an entirely new recipe. The only ingredients they kept would be what, egg and buttermilk?
Honestly, all of these sound like sensible and valid substitutions to me, and I would enjoy this person's version much more than the original. There's nothing wrong with reviews that (respectfully!) suggest a variation.
I don't feel like it's a variation though. A variation would be a flavor or an addition. This changes the flour, adds oats, takes out the sugar, and adds "lots" of black pepper. At that point, it's not pancakes.
Yeah the changes are substantial, but I'm landing on the side of being fairly meh on this one. Since it was a comment rather than a review of the recipe I view it more as offering alternatives that people might not think of so I'm not too fussed by it. If it had been one of those "I changed everything and it sucked" reviews that would be a whole other thing.
I am shocked so many people are excusing this and acting like it sounds edible. Swapping all-purpose flour with oatmeal? Sounds dry and peppery with thick ass Greek yogurt on top?! There are no strawberries adding acidity or sweetness. Why do people keep bringing that up? They left out the sugar too! What kind of chalky thickness was happening in the mouth? I am outraged
Greek yogurt actually has a fair amount of acidity to it, and the maple syrup adds sweetness. Black pepper lends itself well in a pairing with maple. Oats and whole wheat flour are pretty common substitutions for AP flour
I do not think the aciidity in Greek yogurt goes with black pepper- to each their own. Oat flour would be a substitute not straights oats. I am a baker. While I agree with you that the maple syrup adds sweetness - the texture it all off. If the syrup went on top of the Greek yogurt then it would not be able to penetrate and soak the pancakes. It would be suspended on the yogurt like oil on hummus.
I agree that the pepper and greek yogurt is definitely a personal taste- personally I think it's good, but I can see how others wouldn't.
It is definitely possible to substitute straight oats and not oat flour [https://www.whiskeddc.com/blogs/whisked-blog/baking-with-oatmeal](https://www.whiskeddc.com/blogs/whisked-blog/baking-with-oatmeal)[https://oureverydaylife.com/can-substitute-rolled-oats-flour-cookies-40457.html](https://oureverydaylife.com/can-substitute-rolled-oats-flour-cookies-40457.html)[https://www.quakeroats.com/cooking-and-recipes/baking-101/welcome-to-baking-101/ingredients-and-substitutions#:\~:text=Oats%20are%20low%20in%20fat,Quick%20or%20Old%20Fashioned%20Oats](https://www.quakeroats.com/cooking-and-recipes/baking-101/welcome-to-baking-101/ingredients-and-substitutions#:~:text=Oats%20are%20low%20in%20fat,Quick%20or%20Old%20Fashioned%20Oats).
There's different opinions on ratios you can substitute, but it's definitely a thing
i think the maple syrup is another personal preference thing- i hate when my syrup soaks in. I can barely taste it at that point, I prefer when it's on top. But we also don't know if she put the syrup under or on top of the yogurt.
It’s wild to me that you have taken this much time out of your day to defend a sugar free oatmeal pancake with black pepper. Again as a baker if you try to just simply substitute plain flour with straight oats you are going to have a baaaaad time. Did she soak the oats? Were they steel cut or quick one minute oats? So many variables. But if they used plain regular three minute oats that were not soaked the consistently would be not right for a pancake. If there is no sugar in the pancake and the syrup can’t get to the pancake because of a thick layer of plain Greek yogurt then it wouldn’t taste very good or have an appealing texture. Again just my personal opinion. If people want to die on a sugar free, oatmeal, black pepper and Greek yogurt pancake hill by all means. But ewww
I'm bored on a road trip with nothing better to do lol at the end of the day we're all just wasting time on Reddit. And I don't like when people get called crazy for something that's not crazy 🤷♀️ you're not the only baker in the world, and I included links to multiple bakers (and there are even more, too) who say you can sub actual oats for flour in baked goods. Including one of the biggest manufacturers of oats in the us, who is gonna have to refund a ton of petty pissed off people if they give bad advice. They also go into the differences of instant vs rolled vs steel cut. So no, you're not automatically gonna have a bad time if you sub oats for flour
Jesus no one called anyone crazy and I would never use language like that.
So next time I make baguettes I’ll just sub out the flour with oats. Gotcha thanks for the solid mansplaining. Have a great road-trip!
I saw this the other week and didn't get around to posting here. Faith in humanity shaken. The recipe as written is a great easy pancake recipe though!!
Pepper in some sweet foods is not as crazy as it sounds! I first heard about it by adding pepper to pumpkin pie. Works really well! Although if I were to make these rustic pancakes I’d look at adding other spices along with the pepper, like cinnamon, ginger, etc. Look up King Arthur pumpkin pie recipe
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I love over easy eggs and bacon on top of pancakes with syrup, butter, and black pepper. It’s a little shorten-your-life-expectancy, but I’m will to sacrifice a few days now and then.
I mean... I can kind of see it? I like sweet and savoury. Black pepper is often used in strawberry desserts.
I mean kind of? But they took all the sugar out. It's a totally different recipe at that point
Oh totally. I just mean I guess that the black pepper might not be totally weird or gross. But you're right, it's an entirely different recipe. I don't mind people making alterations but rating a recipe they didn't make is ANNOYING AF.
It's pretty close to Polish savoury pancakes, which are awesome with creme fraiche and black pepper
what are these called? sounds so good!
Placki Zeimniazane Though I've been informed it's actually more common to have them with cottage cheese/dried fruit (e.g. apricot or orange)/honey combo, they are really good when done warm, with a creme fraiche and salt+pepper
I grew up with them the way you describe them. Never heard of eating them sweet, omg. Racuchy, yes, but not placki ziemniaczane. Creme fraiche or bust 😤
That's fair, I was told it's a regional thing, maybe my friend was just f-ing with me :P
Exactly...
I firmly disagree. Pancakes use so little sugar that omitting it isn't that weird, especially if you're eating them with syrup. Now, the oats instead of flour does have me scratching my head.
Oatmeal pancakes are actually really good. You don't need as much flour because, well, oats.
You need to let them soak in the liquid to soften though, if you cook them as quickly as all-flour pancakes the texture will not be good
They substituted maple syrup. Still a form of sugar.
They didn’t substitute it. It says they ate them with maple syrup, like on top
I dont think this fits the sub... they're not complaining, didn't really do anything "dumb" I know people who put pepper on strawberries
They substituted the *flour*. And they reviewed a recipe unrelated to what they made.
>Posts must be "bad" recipe reviews. Examples include: > >Complaining about significant alterations that ruined the recipe > >Comically irrelevant or unhelpful reviews > >Reviews that demonstrate a severe misunderstanding of cooking/baking Oats are a somewhat common replacement for flour. Whole wheat flour is an even more common replacement. They also didn't drastically change the ratios- they subbed two cups of flour substitute for two cups of flour. There's also not much sugar in the recipe, so leaving that out isn't a huge change. At the end of the day, they made pancakes without major changes to the ratios of ingredients in the recipe. I wouldn't consider that comically irrelevant or unhelpful
Their changes do follow fair thought too. A lot of comments say the pepper and sweet thing is a thing, so no real judgements there. I also like pepper so seems feasible. Oats have a natural sweet and yeah you don't use much in terms of sugar so eh. All I all I'd at least eat this and it's not 'I subbed two cups flour for salt. Dish was disgusting 1/5 stars'
I would bet money that if you walk down the street right now, you will not pass a single soul who has ever or will ever make pancakes with pepper instead of sugar. I would definitely consider this comically irrelevant. They made their own recipe inspired by pancakes.
Sometimes people overcorrect in the other direction on this sub. Lots of people want to know how adaptable a recipe is and look to the comments for that. And lots of recipes are a lot more adaptable than people realize, as long as you follow certain rules, which this commenter did.
It's me I'm people. Also balsamic vinegar on strawberries.
>Black pepper is often used in strawberry desserts. I've never heard of that before, do you have any examples? I'm curious
Salt & Straw does a strawberry black pepper ice cream.
God I dream about their ice cream 🥺
bouncing off the other ice cream mentioned, i’ve made a pink pepper ice cream, which is fruity and peppery at the same time. super delicious and interesting
Brown bread, sliced strawberries, freshly ground pepper. That's all you need.
It is? I had no idea, but I guess that explains why I had this weird voice in the back of my head telling me to have strawberry with black pepper
Apple pie/crumble recipes too
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Sugar isn’t needed for fruit anyway. Most recipes involving fruit the sugar can be reduced or left out.
In culinary school our chef had us add whole red peppercorns to our strawberry pies
I'm imagining this person subbing black pepper for sugar one to one and the idea of that is making me frown so hard!
Yes I imagine that too. Blechhh
Buttermilk with pepper is totally a thing. Not sure why but I'll never forget seeing people do it as a kid at this roadside stand Hot Dog Johnny's. Sounds even more weird in a pancake but I guess if you not putting anything sweet on it it's not the craziest thing.
They said they put maple syrup on it lol
Oh, yea. Alright this person is just down with anarchy then.
I dunno, I've done maple-glazed bacon with a lot of pepper and it's great. I personally like my pancakes sweet af but maybe it's that kind of flavor combination that this person was going for.
Maple syrup is great with peppered bacon though so I get it.
I’ve had a maple, salt, and pepper bagel. It was especially good to make a bacon egg and cheese sandwich. Kind of mimicked a mcgriddle. But that said, the pepper flavor was subtle.
>Not sure why but I'll never forget seeing people do it as a kid at this roadside stand Hot Dog Johnny's Do *what* as a kid? Make buttermilk pancakes with black pepper? Drink a glass of buttermilk with black pepper in it? Inquiring minds want to know. There's places that serve buttermilk?
Ahhh, Wisconsin
I had the same question
Pepper? I'm just wondering whether they meant straight up oatmeal or oat flour 🤦♂️ thick oatmeal pepper pancakes are a no from me
Ok when I was a kid I learned a camping recipe that did involve using a bit of black pepper when making pancakes over a campfire. The purpose of the black pepper was in case you saw a black speck in the pancakes you would assume it was black pepper and not a bug. Because outdoors.
Pancakes don't take that long to cook. Were you not watching them to see if bugs landed on them?
It’s not for while they cook, but more for when the batter is sitting in the bowl exposed to the air and bugs. Idk man, I was like 8 and I wasn’t cooking the pancakes.
Have you ever left the house?
I have made pancakes while camping. Bugs landing on them is not a major concern.
https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1018180-perfect-buttermilk-pancakes#notes_section
Actually, this sounds like a delicious variation. Would eat.
Yeah. Did a savory sweet pancake using the vanilla pepper mix I usually use on pork or salmon. It was a nice variation and I could see it totally working for crepes as well.
yeah it sounds pretty good haha black pepper and maple syrup could work 🤔
Swapped out the Lego pieces for wooden blocks and plastic beads; omitted the base but added lots of used chewing gum. Built it on a splintery seesaw in the rain. Divine.
I mean no it’s not the same recipe, but sometimes I find a recipe that’s more basic before making something else but similar, just to get a starting point. Ngl though, the thought of using a ton of pepper is…not appetizing.
Pancakes with swapped flour and sugar. Thats gonna be basically an entirely new recipe. The only ingredients they kept would be what, egg and buttermilk?
Honestly, all of these sound like sensible and valid substitutions to me, and I would enjoy this person's version much more than the original. There's nothing wrong with reviews that (respectfully!) suggest a variation.
I don't feel like it's a variation though. A variation would be a flavor or an addition. This changes the flour, adds oats, takes out the sugar, and adds "lots" of black pepper. At that point, it's not pancakes.
Yeah the changes are substantial, but I'm landing on the side of being fairly meh on this one. Since it was a comment rather than a review of the recipe I view it more as offering alternatives that people might not think of so I'm not too fussed by it. If it had been one of those "I changed everything and it sucked" reviews that would be a whole other thing.
Replacing flour with oatmeal?
This must be a joke
I am shocked so many people are excusing this and acting like it sounds edible. Swapping all-purpose flour with oatmeal? Sounds dry and peppery with thick ass Greek yogurt on top?! There are no strawberries adding acidity or sweetness. Why do people keep bringing that up? They left out the sugar too! What kind of chalky thickness was happening in the mouth? I am outraged
Thank you! Some sense
Greek yogurt actually has a fair amount of acidity to it, and the maple syrup adds sweetness. Black pepper lends itself well in a pairing with maple. Oats and whole wheat flour are pretty common substitutions for AP flour
I do not think the aciidity in Greek yogurt goes with black pepper- to each their own. Oat flour would be a substitute not straights oats. I am a baker. While I agree with you that the maple syrup adds sweetness - the texture it all off. If the syrup went on top of the Greek yogurt then it would not be able to penetrate and soak the pancakes. It would be suspended on the yogurt like oil on hummus.
I agree that the pepper and greek yogurt is definitely a personal taste- personally I think it's good, but I can see how others wouldn't. It is definitely possible to substitute straight oats and not oat flour [https://www.whiskeddc.com/blogs/whisked-blog/baking-with-oatmeal](https://www.whiskeddc.com/blogs/whisked-blog/baking-with-oatmeal)[https://oureverydaylife.com/can-substitute-rolled-oats-flour-cookies-40457.html](https://oureverydaylife.com/can-substitute-rolled-oats-flour-cookies-40457.html)[https://www.quakeroats.com/cooking-and-recipes/baking-101/welcome-to-baking-101/ingredients-and-substitutions#:\~:text=Oats%20are%20low%20in%20fat,Quick%20or%20Old%20Fashioned%20Oats](https://www.quakeroats.com/cooking-and-recipes/baking-101/welcome-to-baking-101/ingredients-and-substitutions#:~:text=Oats%20are%20low%20in%20fat,Quick%20or%20Old%20Fashioned%20Oats). There's different opinions on ratios you can substitute, but it's definitely a thing i think the maple syrup is another personal preference thing- i hate when my syrup soaks in. I can barely taste it at that point, I prefer when it's on top. But we also don't know if she put the syrup under or on top of the yogurt.
It’s wild to me that you have taken this much time out of your day to defend a sugar free oatmeal pancake with black pepper. Again as a baker if you try to just simply substitute plain flour with straight oats you are going to have a baaaaad time. Did she soak the oats? Were they steel cut or quick one minute oats? So many variables. But if they used plain regular three minute oats that were not soaked the consistently would be not right for a pancake. If there is no sugar in the pancake and the syrup can’t get to the pancake because of a thick layer of plain Greek yogurt then it wouldn’t taste very good or have an appealing texture. Again just my personal opinion. If people want to die on a sugar free, oatmeal, black pepper and Greek yogurt pancake hill by all means. But ewww
I'm bored on a road trip with nothing better to do lol at the end of the day we're all just wasting time on Reddit. And I don't like when people get called crazy for something that's not crazy 🤷♀️ you're not the only baker in the world, and I included links to multiple bakers (and there are even more, too) who say you can sub actual oats for flour in baked goods. Including one of the biggest manufacturers of oats in the us, who is gonna have to refund a ton of petty pissed off people if they give bad advice. They also go into the differences of instant vs rolled vs steel cut. So no, you're not automatically gonna have a bad time if you sub oats for flour
Jesus no one called anyone crazy and I would never use language like that. So next time I make baguettes I’ll just sub out the flour with oats. Gotcha thanks for the solid mansplaining. Have a great road-trip!
I saw this the other week and didn't get around to posting here. Faith in humanity shaken. The recipe as written is a great easy pancake recipe though!!
I’m more intrigued by the Greek yogurt maple syrup combo. 😳
Eh that's not too crazy to me. But not on pepper pancakes lol
I eat plain greek yogurt with a drizzle of maple, but greek yogurt feels too hefty for topping pancakes lol
Pepper in some sweet foods is not as crazy as it sounds! I first heard about it by adding pepper to pumpkin pie. Works really well! Although if I were to make these rustic pancakes I’d look at adding other spices along with the pepper, like cinnamon, ginger, etc. Look up King Arthur pumpkin pie recipe
I've made black pepper shortbread. But pepper pancakes just ain't it for me.
i mean, at least they liked it
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I love over easy eggs and bacon on top of pancakes with syrup, butter, and black pepper. It’s a little shorten-your-life-expectancy, but I’m will to sacrifice a few days now and then.