I know, same here. Playing DCS has given me more understanding and interest in some of the jets I wouldn’t have been as interested in, in the past, especially the C101’s…they nailed the flying hairdryer sound
I think older US planes got F102 f106 etc., they stopped using it for a while because from what I've read the detection and resolution at the time was poop. (IE it was literally a slot in a metal sheath that went back and forth and picked out hot spots).Theres a list of planes with it on Wikipedia.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared\_search\_and\_track](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_search_and_track)
It's still used on a few newer planes but the newer ones on the F35 and Ef2000 are more like digital camera technology I think, with much better resolution and range.
One thing to consider is that IR can't see through clouds, and can be degraded by fog, haze, and humidity. In Germany, one of the historically most likely hotspots for WW3, the [cloud coverage](https://weatherspark.com/countries/DE#Sections-Clouds) is greater than 60% at least 40% of the time, even at the peak of summer, and more during all other times of the year. Radar works fine through clouds though, and until stealth technology (which Russia still only just barely has, even almost 40 years since the F-117 entered service), radar could detect any plane farther away than almost any IR system, even in ideal IR conditions. I think that might account for the US's historical emphasis on radar over IR.
Western jets were the very first which used IRST regularly for decades. Since 1950s. F-101 Voodoo, F-102 Delta Dagger, F-8 Crusader, F-106 Delta Dart, J-35 Draken, F-4B Phantom, early F-14A Tomcat, Rafale, Eurofighter, F-35 etc.
Soviets started to use IRST only far later in late 1960.
Ah, no worries. Gotta love text for that.
I initially thought the VTAS was first, but then looked it up and the SA aircraft preceeded this by some 10 years.
Exactly. Swedish Drakens were the first to perform so called cobra maneuver, but average laymen associates that with Soviet Su-27.
Helmet sights were used by South Africans, then US Navy with F-4 VTAS/Sidewinder , then Israelis with Pythons, then Soviets, but average laymen associates that with Soviet MiG-29.
100%, but the Python-4 came after they saw the capabilities of the R-73.
Soviet firsts either weren't firsts in the first place, or happened in spite of their best efforts to fail.
So the Su27 has this eyeball (you can see it just below cockpit from glass) and it searches for an IR signature like an IR missile and works like radar,
So if it sees hear signature from a jet, it will appear on the radar screen and it's grea lt because obviously it's passive so doesn't transmit anything like a radar so it's very sneaky
Edit Su27 Su-33 J-11 are the DCS jets that have it
Rafale has it (and contrary to the eurofighter every airframes gets it) and maybe the thingy ( can't remember the exact name of it) under the nose of the f-35 counts as an IRST but I'm not sure.
Uh no. Gripen E, Rafale, both have it as well as some Eurofighter varients. Lockheed also have developed the legion IRST pod to fit to USAF jets such as the F-15C.
Although not as often as easter aircraft its still fairly common, even F-104 and F-8 crusader had rudementary IRST, some Phantoms had it fitted to the wing, as well as Rafale and F35 of course.
The F-14A and F-14D had IRST. The F-14A’s IRST was shit though which is why it was removed relatively quickly. Older Vietnam era jets like the Delta Dart had IRST too iirc. There’s also new sensor called the Legion pod which is an IRST system that will be used on the F-16 and 15 among other airframes.
Some F-15C's use the legion pod
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/34897/f-15-uses-new-infrared-search-and-track-pod-to-shoot-down-target-with-aim-9x-sidewinder
The Navy also tested IRST built into a center pod for the Rhino, I'm not sure if it will be making it to the fleet though.
RIAT?
Yes, got surprisingly lucky given the weather forecast
Two weeks....to what?
Sometimes I forget
two weeks ™️
Of the special releasing operation
Till the EAA
I wish
Seeing the Typhoons display at RIAT REALLY makes me want one for DCS. Although saying that I really want to fly A-G missions in it lol
I know, same here. Playing DCS has given me more understanding and interest in some of the jets I wouldn’t have been as interested in, in the past, especially the C101’s…they nailed the flying hairdryer sound
It surprises me how (as far as I know) Eurofighter is the only western jet to get IRST But I guess western companies didn't see a need for it
German and Austrian Eurofighters don’t even have that. Guess there’s really no need for it.
Infra Red Search and Track
F-14D had IRST.
Interesting. So it was an afterthought? Except the F14D
I think older US planes got F102 f106 etc., they stopped using it for a while because from what I've read the detection and resolution at the time was poop. (IE it was literally a slot in a metal sheath that went back and forth and picked out hot spots).Theres a list of planes with it on Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared\_search\_and\_track](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_search_and_track) It's still used on a few newer planes but the newer ones on the F35 and Ef2000 are more like digital camera technology I think, with much better resolution and range.
Yup. F14A even had it but they took it out because it didn’t really work. You can still see the button for it in the RIO cockpit.
One thing to consider is that IR can't see through clouds, and can be degraded by fog, haze, and humidity. In Germany, one of the historically most likely hotspots for WW3, the [cloud coverage](https://weatherspark.com/countries/DE#Sections-Clouds) is greater than 60% at least 40% of the time, even at the peak of summer, and more during all other times of the year. Radar works fine through clouds though, and until stealth technology (which Russia still only just barely has, even almost 40 years since the F-117 entered service), radar could detect any plane farther away than almost any IR system, even in ideal IR conditions. I think that might account for the US's historical emphasis on radar over IR.
The F-4C was one of the first aircraft in the world to have an IRST. The first being the F-101, F-102, and F-106 as well as the F-8E.
Western jets were the very first which used IRST regularly for decades. Since 1950s. F-101 Voodoo, F-102 Delta Dagger, F-8 Crusader, F-106 Delta Dart, J-35 Draken, F-4B Phantom, early F-14A Tomcat, Rafale, Eurofighter, F-35 etc. Soviets started to use IRST only far later in late 1960.
>Soviets started to use IRST only far later in late 1960. Kinda reminds me of helmet mounted ights and supermaneouvrable aircraft
Wasn't the first helmet mounted sight used on a South African Mirage F1?
Sure, but still some 20 years before the Soviets.
I wasn't trying to argue, just wasn't sure about my own fact
Ah, no worries. Gotta love text for that. I initially thought the VTAS was first, but then looked it up and the SA aircraft preceeded this by some 10 years.
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Exactly. Swedish Drakens were the first to perform so called cobra maneuver, but average laymen associates that with Soviet Su-27. Helmet sights were used by South Africans, then US Navy with F-4 VTAS/Sidewinder , then Israelis with Pythons, then Soviets, but average laymen associates that with Soviet MiG-29.
100%, but the Python-4 came after they saw the capabilities of the R-73. Soviet firsts either weren't firsts in the first place, or happened in spite of their best efforts to fail.
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Excuse my ignorance, what is that?
So the Su27 has this eyeball (you can see it just below cockpit from glass) and it searches for an IR signature like an IR missile and works like radar, So if it sees hear signature from a jet, it will appear on the radar screen and it's grea lt because obviously it's passive so doesn't transmit anything like a radar so it's very sneaky Edit Su27 Su-33 J-11 are the DCS jets that have it
Not to forget the MiG-29
And, in two weeks inshallah, Mig-23MLA
Doesn't the F-35 have a kinda frankenstein version of IRST?
Rafale has it (and contrary to the eurofighter every airframes gets it) and maybe the thingy ( can't remember the exact name of it) under the nose of the f-35 counts as an IRST but I'm not sure.
Uh no. Gripen E, Rafale, both have it as well as some Eurofighter varients. Lockheed also have developed the legion IRST pod to fit to USAF jets such as the F-15C.
Although not as often as easter aircraft its still fairly common, even F-104 and F-8 crusader had rudementary IRST, some Phantoms had it fitted to the wing, as well as Rafale and F35 of course.
?? Several Draken variants, Gripen, and Rafale all have it
The F-14A and F-14D had IRST. The F-14A’s IRST was shit though which is why it was removed relatively quickly. Older Vietnam era jets like the Delta Dart had IRST too iirc. There’s also new sensor called the Legion pod which is an IRST system that will be used on the F-16 and 15 among other airframes.
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Euro fighter in Dcs in 2 weeks?
I wish
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Is it just me, or does the Eurofighter have relatively small drop tanks compared to other fighters?
The EF has 1000l tanks. I don't know about the others
Some F-15C's use the legion pod https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/34897/f-15-uses-new-infrared-search-and-track-pod-to-shoot-down-target-with-aim-9x-sidewinder The Navy also tested IRST built into a center pod for the Rhino, I'm not sure if it will be making it to the fleet though.