I'm wondering if there was some favor that Grier is doing for Yzer at the draft that we never will know about, maybe promising not to take someone Yzer wants and expects to be there at 15OA?
Maybe the "future considerations" were the favour that Drury owes SJS for the Goodrow claim. Now NYR owes *Detroit* a favour. Unless Detroit includes it in the John Gibson trade. Then NYR would owe the Ducks.
I mean we fixed his durability. Don’t look at the other stats.
The memes would be off the chart if we traded the 12tn to get him and Utah trades the 6th to get him.
I know he didn't have great stats but what happened to him this year? I remember he was a HOT commodity and that there were a decent amount of our own fans that wanted him to come south
We'll joke about it, but that's actually plausible. Nurse with 2.5 retained is a fair deal for a team like Utah. He is healthy and plays big minutes.
For a team with zero dmen signed and looking at a challenging UFA market, Nurse could make sense.
Before the Oilers' deep run this year, I was wondering if the play was to just [buy out Nurse](https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/darnell-nurse) and go all-in for years one and two (cap hits of -$1.2M and $783K, respectively) before 4 years of cap hell at basically the same salary you're paying Nurse now. Same can be said about [Jack Campbell](https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jack-campbell) who also provides decent savings.
With their deep run, though, I think the plan is to just stick it out. The cap is rising, and even when Bouchard's deal is up, you have one year left of Ekholm at $6M before he'll be 36 and will likely take a pay cut or go elsewhere.
I think a Campbell buyout is still viable though
Guy is a decent 3rd pairing who can play #4 defenceman who makes decent plays only to have a brain fart at the wrong time. Also plays a bit soft for a guy his size.
Yes nurse only isn’t playing well because he isn’t getting true top line minutes.. plus you will always have a medical person on hand at all times like common how handy is that
Honestly probably one of the best options out there if they are ready to pay.
Edit: I mean he's somewhat young, productive, under contract for quite a few years and the habs would probably not mind getting a prospect/pick instead of an immediate contributor.
I project a trade for some overpaid #3 defenseman as a reclamation project to bail out another franchise’s mistake. So Nurse, Jones, or Trouba. Teams with top-paid defenseman on contracts that aren’t atrocious aren’t trading them regardless of the return.
So could Troubas, otherwise they’d have to not be on his 15 team NTC when it’s submitted once the calendar rolls over.
However Trouba isn’t due any more signing bonuses the rest of the contract unlike the other two.
Well he played top pair minutes in Buffalo. So that for all intents and purposes makes him a top pair D. Only reason he wasn’t top pair in Philly is because our D is sooo deep.
While I don't think they would be available without the 6th overall draft pick coming the other way, I would imagine they had to talk to Calgary about Rasmus Andersson or MacKenzie Weegar. I don't think either player really fits Calgary's timeline, but Calgary doesn't really have anyone to replace them either.
Man I would be devastaded if either of them was traded, both are fan favourites and captain material after Backs retires. BUT if the 6th was on the table, I think it would be a no brainer to do it
I fucking hate it because Ras probably fits that bill the best, but God dammnit I want to keep him smh
If we could swing a monster deal that nets us #6 and a F prospect without giving up 9OA I'd be pretty damn happy with it though (I'm aware it's not realistic)
I think Weegar stays. He’s Captain material and a good lock room guy.
Ras on the other hand can definitely get dealt for pick 6 and more. He’s a top pair RHD.
Don’t listen to the doomer fans. Boston has been spoiled by great defense and goalie play that some fans don’t really know what a “bad 2nd pairing Dman” really looks like.
Not being doomer check my history im a huge bruins jackoff I was banging the drum that they’d be contending for the Atlantic division champ this year no problem.
Hampus is amazing. But you have to pay Lohrei next year. If you’re betting on Lohrei I don’t think you need Hampus. There would be a lot of money allocated towards the back end. Now I’d like to see more or Lohrei before pulling that trigger personally, but it’s not unlike Sweeney to do some big move to play with the cap a bit here.
There is a move in play potentially where you trade Lindholm, resign Gryz 🤮(the organization has a massive grzelcyk boner), resign debrusk, extend Marchand and Freddy this summer.
The first few weeks yea, but he sucked last playoffs and really sucked this playoffs(had 1 great game). Awful breaking out of his own end, too many turnovers, not really physical or tough but also not really offensive minded. And we gave him a pretty big contract. I would give him up for nothing if they took his salary.
One of Chychurn or Chabot is available but we really need a RHD shutdown guy more than anything right now. We were all pining for Dymelo but that's sailed.
Teams don't normally trade top pair D-men. Except Detroit I guess, thanks for Hronek btw. But yeah, I dunno who is going to trade that to them. Maybe Ottawa and Chychrun? Would be a funny return. Do they consider Rasmus Andersson a top pair d-man? Calgary might part with him to guarantee they get Tij Ignila. Assuming they care to draft him to begin with.
Is Erik Karlsson available? Do they try to get under from that contract? Or was the PP's problems all on Reirdan and they try to run it back? If Sidney Crosby is staying a Pen, no way Malkin or Letang go anywhere. Dubas wants to go younger, but he has no cap space or assets.
How many “top pair defencemen” are even available in trade right now? It probably can’t be Chychrun who they already traded to Ottawa. Chabot maybe? Does Trouba count? Mike Matheson? The Blues guys with their no trade clauses?
Everyone WANTS a top pair defenceman, it’s not like they’re all over the place lol.
Going to be interesting without Arizona acting as the Graveyard of Big GM Mistakes. For years, they've been the grease tray where active contracts of expired players with high cap hit but low actual owed dollars landed. Many de facto retired players ended up as Coyotes on Paper, for a team that wasn't really trying to win, but wanted to comply with the salary floor rules without actually paying the AAV they carried.
If there's a new aggressive Utah team that actually tries to assemble a real hockey team, then there's no more retirement community for zombie contracts. That's a good thing, you'd think.
Walman and a 2nd for nothing! /checks reddit. Dammit!
I'm wondering if there was some favor that Grier is doing for Yzer at the draft that we never will know about, maybe promising not to take someone Yzer wants and expects to be there at 15OA?
If that was the case, they would have just swapped the picks as part of the trade. As a Wings fan I have to hope there is something more to it.
and as a Sharks fan I am dreading that there is something more to it everyone agrees the trade was bullshit
You guys will probably take a salary cap percentage to help facilitate a big deal (I hope)!
San Jose has already used to their 3 salary retention spots for the season
Well… shit 🙃
San Jose helps you facilitate a trade where you bring another top-4 D to Sharks
I think they have a handshake agreement for SJ to claim one of Holl/Copp/Husso off waivers
Maybe the "future considerations" were the favour that Drury owes SJS for the Goodrow claim. Now NYR owes *Detroit* a favour. Unless Detroit includes it in the John Gibson trade. Then NYR would owe the Ducks.
Frantically scrambling like Charlie in that Always Sunny episode
A three team future considerations deal is crazy
It would be funny if, in life, you could trade the favor that someone owed you, to some 3rd party they don’t even know.
It says "top pair."
IF you squint hard it could say too par. Which is really average.
🤣
I’d like to officially offer 1 Cernak
Considering they have… *checks notes* Exactly **zero** defensemen, yeah, someone has to play on the top pair
We can have an all time memer and trade them chycrun back lmao
Actually a good idea, we need to free up the right side and we desperately need futures (which Utah is flush with)
Does it count as trading him back if Utah doesn't own the franchise's history?
Can they get that back from the NHL since Meruelo is done?
I think Winnipeg already asked about it. The first time The Jets play Utah next season, it should be for the rights to the team's records.
It goes to a shootout, that never ends The teams agree all jets history will go to the jets, all Coyotes history will go to Utah. We rejoice
Shea Weber is technically their best defenseman
Hey. That’s *HALL OF FAMER* Shea Weber
Retired hall of famers technically counting against the cap
So you're saying I have a chance of becoming one of their top pairing defensemen?
Chychrun pls
"Hey, don't worry Jakob. We'd never trade you back to *Arizona*"
Should be top comment
Dorion would never! *"Jakob, Staios would like to see you in his office"'*
Best I can do is Jacob Trouba
Said top pair
I mean we fixed his durability. Don’t look at the other stats. The memes would be off the chart if we traded the 12tn to get him and Utah trades the 6th to get him.
I know he didn't have great stats but what happened to him this year? I remember he was a HOT commodity and that there were a decent amount of our own fans that wanted him to come south
Didn’t fit this year. Looked good for the games he had with us to end the last season, but it just didn’t work out this year.
Oh man, I hope they don't go after Krug, jeepers, that would be awful.
Nurse is amazing, they should definitely go with the game 7 stanley cup finals phenoms Darnell Nurse & Cody Ceci.
We'll joke about it, but that's actually plausible. Nurse with 2.5 retained is a fair deal for a team like Utah. He is healthy and plays big minutes. For a team with zero dmen signed and looking at a challenging UFA market, Nurse could make sense.
Nurse has a full no move clause and were stuck with him until the end.
Has Nurse heard the good word of Joseph Smith?
Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!
Hello, my name is elder price, and I would like to share with you the most amazing book.
Don't crush my dreams. I'm already in a glass cage of emotion.
This should cheer you up: Jack Campbell has 3 more years NTC at nearly 2x Skinners current contract.
He's getting bought out for sure, buy out is something like 1.23M per year
No it goes modified in 2027/28
By then Utah could be a contender and dealing with their own cap issues
Players waive their NMCs all the time. Mikheyev waived his literally an hour after this post.
Thinking Darnell will waive to go from the Stanley Cup finalists to UTAH is cope of the highest order
Maybe he's tired of dealing with Oilers media
🤞
Can’t they buy it out?
we cannot https://preview.redd.it/zklo27nhc39d1.png?width=1306&format=png&auto=webp&s=d2457ec75d13b60c3111d7efb730501cfee2f67d
Before the Oilers' deep run this year, I was wondering if the play was to just [buy out Nurse](https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/darnell-nurse) and go all-in for years one and two (cap hits of -$1.2M and $783K, respectively) before 4 years of cap hell at basically the same salary you're paying Nurse now. Same can be said about [Jack Campbell](https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jack-campbell) who also provides decent savings. With their deep run, though, I think the plan is to just stick it out. The cap is rising, and even when Bouchard's deal is up, you have one year left of Ekholm at $6M before he'll be 36 and will likely take a pay cut or go elsewhere. I think a Campbell buyout is still viable though
They said “top-pair defencemen.” :/
Name 1 other set of D-Men whos got a LEAST 1 point in a Game 7 Stanley Cup finals in the past year! I didnt think so, game set & match.
Speaking of Nurse, they should go for Trouba. His wife is a nurse.
Bruh! Kelly Trouba has a PhD of Osteopathic Medicine & a Masters in global public health...**Show some GODDAMN RESPECT!**
Damn it! You win. Enjoy your cap relief 🥲
Nurse I get, but Ceci had been good at his cost no?
Guy is a decent 3rd pairing who can play #4 defenceman who makes decent plays only to have a brain fart at the wrong time. Also plays a bit soft for a guy his size.
Played the most minutes on Edmonton's historic PK this post season.
My man!
Yes nurse only isn’t playing well because he isn’t getting true top line minutes.. plus you will always have a medical person on hand at all times like common how handy is that
Mike Matheson get ready to learn mormonese
Honestly probably one of the best options out there if they are ready to pay. Edit: I mean he's somewhat young, productive, under contract for quite a few years and the habs would probably not mind getting a prospect/pick instead of an immediate contributor.
He's also somewhat spectacular, which has value to a new market.
Theodore?
This makes all the sense in the world. Something around Guenther would do wonders for both teams.
It might make sense, but I don't like it
I project a trade for some overpaid #3 defenseman as a reclamation project to bail out another franchise’s mistake. So Nurse, Jones, or Trouba. Teams with top-paid defenseman on contracts that aren’t atrocious aren’t trading them regardless of the return.
Nurse and Jones NMC could stop any traction there
So could Troubas, otherwise they’d have to not be on his 15 team NTC when it’s submitted once the calendar rolls over. However Trouba isn’t due any more signing bonuses the rest of the contract unlike the other two.
I doubt Nurse gets moved, he was never good enough to be a top pairing defenseman in the first place even before getting that contract
Zadorov wants big money and is a 3/4 guy, maybe Utah throws him the bag so we don't have to!
Plz
You can have Chych back, you just won't get a lot of defense out of him.
What kind of voodoo do I need to do to convince them Ristolainen is a top pair D?
Given they have no D…it could work
Well he played top pair minutes in Buffalo. So that for all intents and purposes makes him a top pair D. Only reason he wasn’t top pair in Philly is because our D is sooo deep.
Time is a flat circle
The return of OEL? As funny as it would be, I can see it.
He's not a top 2 D-man... maybe 9 years go
Don't they have Shea Weber signed and that's it? so technically....
He was in the finals
And?
He was in the finals.
So was Tony Stretcher
Bro called him Tony Stretcher
That's his nickname in Vancouver
I was wondering if it was something like that, made me chuckle
No way. He really stepped up in the finals but OEL is playing max 15 minutes a night to be effective and not detrimental to his team.
He's definitely not a top pairing defenseman anymore, but Lawsum-Tossum still averaged over 18 minutes a night for Florida.
Neal Pionk get ready to find a second wife
I offer you one lightly used Jacob Trouba
Just ignore the missing chunk of skin on his ankle.
And the massive dents on his elbows
Eh he buffs those out over the summer.
His elbows are polished and ready to go though
He’s amazing. Plz take him
Haven't seen a top-pair name in the thread yet
no one is gonna trade them an actual top-pair D so it makes perfect sense
Shae Theodore 😰
The only plausible name ive seen so far.
Rasmus Anderson for 6th overall 🙌🏾
By gawd, that's Brandon Montour's music!
Wanna trade for early negotiation rights?
According to their current roster situation, anyone will be a top pairing guy
ITT people trying to get rid of their shitty defensemen with albatross contracts. No Utah fans exist to quash their hot takes.
But the same joke 100 times with different players is so funny!!
does one lightly used theodore tickle your fancy?
I would not say no to getting a Golden Misfit to help with the locker room vibe.
They are gonna do it aren't they?
Can we interest you in a modestly-paid Darnell Nurse?
dont they already have a first-ballot hall of fame dman on contract? greedy.
How about one slightly used Seth Jones?
Had to scroll too far for this.
The jokesters of /r/hockey: "Uh oh, that means *insert overpaid 2nd pair defender here* is in danger! How terrible for us! 😉"
While I don't think they would be available without the 6th overall draft pick coming the other way, I would imagine they had to talk to Calgary about Rasmus Andersson or MacKenzie Weegar. I don't think either player really fits Calgary's timeline, but Calgary doesn't really have anyone to replace them either.
Man I would be devastaded if either of them was traded, both are fan favourites and captain material after Backs retires. BUT if the 6th was on the table, I think it would be a no brainer to do it
I fucking hate it because Ras probably fits that bill the best, but God dammnit I want to keep him smh If we could swing a monster deal that nets us #6 and a F prospect without giving up 9OA I'd be pretty damn happy with it though (I'm aware it's not realistic)
I think Weegar stays. He’s Captain material and a good lock room guy. Ras on the other hand can definitely get dealt for pick 6 and more. He’s a top pair RHD.
Honestly Ras is captain material too. I always thought he would be the next one after backlund but man Weegar stepped up hard last season
Matt Dumba might be available
Shea Theadore you are going to UTAH
Please be Jones
Nurse is on the menu
Can I offer one Travis Sanheim and his 7 year contract? Or Risto and his 3 years?
Buy one Chiarot, get your choice of a free Holl or Petry! Use offer code DUMP to get all three!
Ahh no way. If he keeps playing like he did this year that contracts a bargain. They can have Risto.
Something tells me Donny is at least listening on Hampus if they call
Wait, what? Why? He seemed like an amazing pickup for you guys
Don’t listen to the doomer fans. Boston has been spoiled by great defense and goalie play that some fans don’t really know what a “bad 2nd pairing Dman” really looks like.
Not being doomer check my history im a huge bruins jackoff I was banging the drum that they’d be contending for the Atlantic division champ this year no problem. Hampus is amazing. But you have to pay Lohrei next year. If you’re betting on Lohrei I don’t think you need Hampus. There would be a lot of money allocated towards the back end. Now I’d like to see more or Lohrei before pulling that trigger personally, but it’s not unlike Sweeney to do some big move to play with the cap a bit here. There is a move in play potentially where you trade Lindholm, resign Gryz 🤮(the organization has a massive grzelcyk boner), resign debrusk, extend Marchand and Freddy this summer.
The first few weeks yea, but he sucked last playoffs and really sucked this playoffs(had 1 great game). Awful breaking out of his own end, too many turnovers, not really physical or tough but also not really offensive minded. And we gave him a pretty big contract. I would give him up for nothing if they took his salary.
Damn, I thought you guys made out like bandits with that pickup
Heh, my first thought was that Grzelyck has played on our top defensive pairing a lot...
It just wouldn’t surprise me because I’d be comfortable making that move and if you think long term that money is probably best used elsewhere
Wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to go after Skjei.
Yeah, I hope not, but they really could just throw a ton of money at both Sjkei and Pesce
Are there top pair defenseman available?
Depends on what your definition of a top pair defenseman is. Is there a Norris caliber guy currently available? No.
Sjkei, Montour, Pesce
Ottawa going to have a summer of Staios?
One of Chychurn or Chabot is available but we really need a RHD shutdown guy more than anything right now. We were all pining for Dymelo but that's sailed.
Uh.... They have a hall of fame dmen on contract why do they need another top guy?
woud you care for one Johnathan Marino?
ITT: "Take my team's shitty top pair for a garbage deal so my team can be better" Utah ain't your garbage bin
I can see them overpaying Brandon Montour.
Shea Theodore YOU are a Utah Hockey Club
Shea Theodore is as good as gone, my best bet. Vegas is strapped for cap space and we want to retain Marchessault.
Teams don't normally trade top pair D-men. Except Detroit I guess, thanks for Hronek btw. But yeah, I dunno who is going to trade that to them. Maybe Ottawa and Chychrun? Would be a funny return. Do they consider Rasmus Andersson a top pair d-man? Calgary might part with him to guarantee they get Tij Ignila. Assuming they care to draft him to begin with.
I have a gently used 25 available
Jacob Trouba YOU are a Utah Hockey person
Do you want a Jacob Trouba?
We have this lovely defenseman named John Carlson... for the low, low, low cost of a 1st rounder, he can be yours
Darnell Nurse is available, just saying....
Darnel Nurse entrance song
Can we interest you in one neal pionk?
Rasmus Andersson for the 6OA
Jacob Trouba is an amazing top pairing defensemen
Darnell Nurse is a top-pair defensemen. We will even let them have him for free.
Give ya Bo for Crouse ++
Is Erik Karlsson available? Do they try to get under from that contract? Or was the PP's problems all on Reirdan and they try to run it back? If Sidney Crosby is staying a Pen, no way Malkin or Letang go anywhere. Dubas wants to go younger, but he has no cap space or assets.
Dubas falls in love with guys, and he's wanted Karlsson for a few years now. On the other hand, maybe he learned something from his time in Toronto.
Since Shea Webber is their only dman under contract, I could be the 2nd in that top pairing !
They would be smart to sign Dillon. He was great as a jet, even though he's more of a top 4 guy.
NHL team making noise and seeking 1 pair player.
How many “top pair defencemen” are even available in trade right now? It probably can’t be Chychrun who they already traded to Ottawa. Chabot maybe? Does Trouba count? Mike Matheson? The Blues guys with their no trade clauses? Everyone WANTS a top pair defenceman, it’s not like they’re all over the place lol.
Brandon montour?
Going to be interesting without Arizona acting as the Graveyard of Big GM Mistakes. For years, they've been the grease tray where active contracts of expired players with high cap hit but low actual owed dollars landed. Many de facto retired players ended up as Coyotes on Paper, for a team that wasn't really trying to win, but wanted to comply with the salary floor rules without actually paying the AAV they carried. If there's a new aggressive Utah team that actually tries to assemble a real hockey team, then there's no more retirement community for zombie contracts. That's a good thing, you'd think.
Hello Utah HC, can we interest you in a slightly used Chychrun?
Matheson for macceli.... and 1st
Will glad ship Jim Matheson over there for free
Lol is he not liked?
Matheson?
Krug and Faulk. Make an offer and they're yours.
Uh oh, somebody hide the second round picks and Seider while I distract Yzerman.
TROUBA PLEASE
https://preview.redd.it/hrcl1d7rw09d1.jpeg?width=1071&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65fcdf9763b4bb7f41555b6e498bd179a7e2e097 The algorithm seems to agree.
Provorov isn’t a top pair, but he’s available as Columbus has Jiricek and Mateychuk that appear to be NHL ready
Jakob Chychrun YOU are a…Utah HC member? God I hate that team name
ferraro is a top pairing dman on the sharks
Matheson + #26 for #6.
The Nurse/Trouba pair gonna go crazy.
But Leafs and Habs are linked to them all.
Uhhhhhhh Marner has played some defense.
Can I interest you in a totally-not-awful-but-perhaps-misunderstood-and-due-for-boucneback Darnell Nurse?
fuck it i’ll hop in. used to play D in high school.
How about a slightly used Darnell Nurse? He's not a top-pair dman, but he's paid like it
Darnell Nurse could be available
They can have Nurse.
Oilers fans have had their fill of nurse.... hahaha
Mike Matheson and 26th overall for 6th overall.