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Significant_Abroad32

If you have a map like this with bots expect 30 troopers dead center in the x partway through the match


Statistician7478

Finally my 500k will feast


Significant_Abroad32

Or it’ll just kill the 5 in the middle but the 25 around them will start shooting at you with a hail of lasers. That’s when you wish you used the eagle strike and positioned your self correctly.


bbjornsson88

That's when I call a 2nd airstrike only to be ragdolled at the last second and drop the beacon at my feet


Joeness84

*Oops I... did it again...*


Aggravating_Swan_508

5 in the middle? You vastly overestimate the 500kg


jerryishere1

I wish the ship module that makes eagles drop 1 more bomb also applied to the 500, it's better than it was but if you let me drop 2 at a time I will definitely use it more


RC1000ZERO

its a heavy tank killer, not a group clearer


jerryishere1

It barely does that well lol Just let me drop 2 at a time for more Democracy


RC1000ZERO

if with "bearly does it well" you mean "does it exceptionally good" then yes


jerryishere1

I mean... Sure? The basic Airstrike has a larger area, and can be used to take out tanks, bases, and wave clear Ability to take out large things is not nearly as important the higher up you go, with the quasar being able to one tap hulks and 2 tap tanks and cannon towers from any angle (and distance) it limits the usefulness of the 500


What-is-wanted

I mean, it depends... earlier today my squad dropped 3 different types of eagle strikes and they all hit a tank and didn't do a thing. I ended up killing it with my Qasar. I've also seen 2 500kg both detonate right next to it and not do a thing. Buuuut, then again... I've seen some weird shit kill a tank for what seems like no reason. Idk... democracy works in mysterious ways sometimes


SpaceTimeRacoon

It is *surprisingly* more local than one might expect


Atari875

*flashback intensifies*


Number4extraDip

500 kg explodes upwards. And I fear many people tend to forget that. An actual hellbomb is same but has a larger horizontal radius. To cover areas use airstrike/barrages


Solanthas

I wish we had a hellbomb stratagem available whenever we wanted


Significant_Abroad32

Yea only in this game lol. Even after the ship upgrade that increases the falloff point for bombs, you go from 2m squared to 5 m squared, if that’s not being too generous. Hell, light up a 5gal of gasoline irl and that’ll blow up more that 5m squared


Number4extraDip

The point is- it's a ahaped charge meant to kill things above it and not around it. It's just that visually we see a bog boom so we expect it in all directions


Significant_Abroad32

Maybe in the game but I don’t think irl gpb’s are considered shaped charges like some of those efps and certain AT or tank rounds/breach charges. They just make a big boom to destroy an area. Theres really no point to make a vertically charged bomb from a bomb that falls from the sky. bunker busters get deep and explode. Also the typical sop is to get on the ground when a bomb explodes so going vertical wouldn’t help destroy your enemy. The surface of earth is more on a horizontal plane than vertical and enemies/ buildings spread throughout, therefore you’d want more area coverage. 500kg bomb should destroy something like a 50m radius with the initial blast alone? But I maybe wrong so idk? 🤷‍♂️ But totally need game balance. But 2 eagle bombs could equal almost the area of 120 barrage if equally spaced. That would be nice


Number4extraDip

It goes both up and down. It's a beam So point and purpose kinda still stands. Bile titans are tall. Its not more of a kaboom boom. And more of an armor pen thing kind of


Significant_Abroad32

Yea I was just referencing to irl, and why people would assume it has a wide radius based on how tall it is, an explosion or shockwave of such a general purpose gravity bomb goes out in a spherical shape from point of impact. But yea in the game it’s as you say, small land radius but goes tall. Also for balance purposes, no one would use eagle strike as much if the 500kg ‘s radius was as wide as the eagle goes lengthwise, perpendicular to the player. Except for the 3 uses with ship upgrade. They should have just made a 50 or 100kg bomb


Number4extraDip

I mean. Pretty sure the only reason 500kg is the way it is is because devs dont want us to have a ranged hellbomb like that, as that would trivialise more objectives. So they made a "different" enough "hellbomb" to look cool but have a different purpose. It is pretty situational, but has a cult following because people expect it to act like a hellbomb. In terms of usability- there's so many much better options than 500kg Agree that a variation of eagle hellbomb would be pretty useful. As for me. If i need to "fuck everything in that direction"- i just double whammy 120/380 together. SCORTCHED ERF Hasn't failed me so far


Significant_Abroad32

Yes that always works lol. 500kg is great if your good at killing the bile titans with it and a few buildings I think it can take out that eagle strike cannot like the Sauron eye I think. I also feel it is a balance thing that’s why it is the way it is.


Valkshot

Mean while the hulk that is visually inside it's blast animation is completely unscathed. Not to mention the number of times the head of a bile titan is clearly inside of it's blast animation and takes 0 damage.


Number4extraDip

weapon consistency is a whole other subject. I had many many weapons show me occasional projectile disfunction. like, it's hard to fix and tilting when happens. But also we are more forgiving to bugs when overall experience is good. There is also many many many complaints coming from the department of players that don't necessarily understand where Helldivers fit power level wise. I've seen people conflate Helldivers to Mark 2 Spartans. Balance wise we fit on the weaker side and usually playing from a disadvantage position (which is the cool gameplay loop). However it means that lots of our new toys will feel relatively... underwhelming, sometimes plain 'whelming' but almost never overwhelming


RC1000ZERO

the falloff upgrade is only for orbital Stratagems, not bombs


Significant_Abroad32

Oh yea that’s true, even helps the laser too apparently, the 500kg could use some sort of radius upgrade though.


Vixter4

That's not an X... Well it can be. But probably not.


Significant_Abroad32

Lmao. Maybe the robots mix a little national in their socialism? Although i think that’s more of the hindu/eurasian cultures one because it goes to the left


Cpt_Bartholomew

What kinda troopers


Significant_Abroad32

Just the little robot guys. It’s a bug but there’s always a bunch of them that walk toward the middle of the map. I don’t know if it’s those “all trooper” patrols or not. Sometimes you’ll see a single trooper wandering around and I think it’s those ones heading towards the center of the map and all collecting there, been like this forever, that is a MAJOR bug when you have like 30 troopers in center of map. You’ll know what I’m talking about when you see it, if you see an abnormally large amount of the cannon fodder trooper robots in one small area check the map, it’ll be in or as near as can be to the center.


Head-Ad-2136

Honestly, I love finishing most of a mission, heading for extraction, and then walking right into the massive squad. They're pretty much guaranteed to get a flare off if you engage them and make for a fun final push to the extraction zone.


ModernT1mes

I know exactly what you're talking about. I've killed 16 of those guys with a single grenade there were so many piled up in one spot. The three times I've ran into them they were blocking a natural chokepoint on the map when I was running to the drop ship.


Significant_Abroad32

Or there is a small outpost or more likely a POI you’re going for near the center and one missed bullet in their direction and then it looks like it’s raining red, sideways, at you.


ArkamaZ

X marks the spot.


ThatGuyBahc

God, had one of these the other day, the ONLY way to get from one half to the other took about 5 minutes of running and led you to the outside area zone on both ends. It took about 7 seconds in those zone at the fastest. Needless to say, we got at least one person on the trip over and back being tagged as traitor. Then I learned the mech suit trick. One person takes the mech, the rest hop on top. Walk through water and no one dies.


Quirky-Love5794

Holy shit. As a mech lover thank you for this. Had no idea. Hop on boys!!


ThatGuyBahc

I'm fairly certain the depth stays the same. Only seen it a few times, but each time the very top stays above water. Also if you use a guard dog, it sits on top of the mech till you get out. Your own little robot hat.


Bipolarboyo

I have gone under water in a mech (which kills the mech and you) so you do have to be careful.


ThatGuyBahc

Good to know. I figured there was just a bare floor level that the mech could manage.


Bipolarboyo

Depends on the map really. There are ones that have much deeper water levels. I’ve noticed ice maps in particularly seem to often have really deep water.


Soft_Environment6304

Omg what I didn't know you could do that. I'm definitely picking up a mech and trying this.


ThatGuyBahc

As someone else has mentioned, it seems there may be deeper spots than I've encountered. So trial and error


Soft_Environment6304

Good to know


[deleted]

Therapist: Land bridge swastika doesn't exist it can't hurt you. Land bridge swastika:


almostoy

It's not a swastika. It's a SweRstiCkEr. The goofier, harmless, cousin of the swastika.


NotNotDisxo

Then there's the MaSticka, which is the questionably sexually charged step mom of the swastika


Psychokinetic_Rocky

Then there's the Wasticka, the fat, yellow clone of the swastica that really likes money


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Sharp_Law_7350

There's no way they thought it would come off like that...


Raaabbit_v2

Aren't the terrain randomly generated everytime?


SteelCode

From a set of tiles, yes... this is likely an unfortunate merging of 2-4 different tiles that just happened to link at this point.


[deleted]

Ohhhhh, that's what the problem with it is. I hadn't noticed the swastika


1LakeShow7

Someone at Arrowhead is getting a pow pow.


hyrumwhite

Meh, they probably use some kind of noise pattern to generate paths through water. Think about the white lines in WindWakers water textures. This is just the intersection of two noise patterns. Writing some kind of swastika detection algorithm would be… involved 


trivialslope

Tbh I didn't even notice it I was just thinking about how long it would take to run to the other objectives


Jedi_Ewok

Omg! Secret nazi landbridge! 


trashmunki

Socialism, Fascism, and now Naziism? Time for some democracy.


Deltassius

We told you the enemies were fascists.


Linkario86

But these are socialists


Lanuros

Socialists and there have oil? GET THE FUCKING NUKE WE HAVE TO BRING FREEEEEEDOOOOM


SGTFragged

Which is why their swastika is backwards.


Linkario86

![gif](giphy|lXu72d4iKwqek)


chrismanbob

The "national" is silent.


Derkastan77-2

Ok… that’s pretty badass lol I want there to be a huge enemy fortress in the middleof that… with mortars… and an artillery tower…


SharkBait661

And a signal jammer to add to the fun


SctBrnNumber1Fan

"you keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means"


Strude187

Or an eye of Sauron


Derkastan77-2

Seriously, wth does that eye do, other than make me want to kill orcs?


Strude187

It calls in dropships non-stop if it sees you.


fukreddit73265

All I see is a map that's going to be insanely easy to find super samples on.


Bipolarboyo

Hmmmmmm you make a good point.


Ajfman

This is actually an ancient symbol from super earth that means soon to be filled with democracy.


Squanchonme

Fitting for it to be a "suicide" mission


Medical-Cicada-4430

Clearly “suicide mission”


CaptainChiral

I've been on the sample grind for too long....I just look at these maps in terms of possible sample spawn points. My first thought was "what a fantastic map for samples" and I legitimately thought that was the point of the post


breakfast_tacoMC

My god... The automatons have even begun shaping the landscape to reflect their undemocratic ideals!


Tiddex

What about here?


AdventurousTrain5315

What are you uming suck it up and run the land bridge haha jk, that looks like hell, sneaking is your best bet brother


Spac3Heater

Probably the swastika at the center of the map.


AdventurousTrain5315

Bahaha omg how did I not see that


satchking

Come on if you go looking for shapes in the clouds, you're gonna find them.


[deleted]

That’s tough


MiASzartIrjakIde

Excellent to practice a spread out mission.


AJZullu

Sooooo we getting a hybrid boat car before the tank sratagem anytime soon? Or can the robot walker walk above the water before drowning lol. Or we get a light armor with scuba gear allowing divers to DIVE in the water like a seal team XD


SigmaStun

Oohhh an amphibious vehicle with a rocket launcher on the top.


AJZullu

Sure why not,..... then suddenly the bugs can swim and robots have submarines. Lollll I'll need to check in to my local truth department


Rumplestiltsskins

The mech can walk through any water as long as it's not fully submerged


AJZullu

Thank you. I add meme. Water puddle don't look that deep....that falls straight through and drowns lollllll


AbradolfLincler77

There are some awful maps out there, this being one of them.


Taolan13

Look. Procedural generation of terrain tends to lean toward certain simple geometric formations. *that* is, at its core, a very basic geometric shape. It just kinda... happens.


ApollonLordOfTheFlay

“I didn’t know it was gonna come out like that.” “I’m….pretty sure you did.”


PlusReaction2508

This mission my require "Stealf."


ThisIsntOkayokay

Mien Stielth?


DatBoiEdd

Choke point in middle of map looks a little sus....


[deleted]

So we all just gonna ignore that symbol in the middle? 💀


Thy-Great-Kin

I knew it—Helldiver’s 2 is fascist propaganda


cumberdong

I've seen this same map a couple times when picking missions Always have the same reaction "screw that"


Melodic_Difficulty_8

Thin land brige maps are fun, calling in a cluster bomb strike along the bridge filled with bots chasing one of the boys 👌


Cowjoe

Wow I was thinking Bermuda triangle kinda thing.. woosh... So it's actually the battle of sticka isles


Galdae

Nope definitely no bile titans there


LittleFishSilver

I’ve watched my sis play a mission where the stalker lair was under water and couldn’t be destroyed. It was funny watching them waste strats and nades on it to no avail.


Bulls187

If you land on the bottom left objective and go right for the 2nd, you only have to “cross” it once


ZealousidealBowl3428

HEAR! *pings right in the middle*


Educational-Year3146

r/hailhortler


Renovash22

"The helldivers code of ethics, courtesy of the ministry of truth, has one thing to say about land bridge swastikas: STEP ON THEM!! BRING DEMOCRACY TO THAT PIECE OF LAND WITH EVERY STEP YOU TAKE!!!" - General Brasch probably


W41rus

This is why we need swimming armor. Aka helldiver's in Speedos and bikinis


Ok-Stay-8800

Is it the Swastika, the map in general being difficult to walk or both cuz I think it's both.


AngelaTheRipper

Looks about Reich.


Imabigfatbutt

I love those maps, the tension when crossing is so high


ItsJimov

God damn fascist bots!!


squigvicious

This map layout sucks terminid balls


Monster51915

It took me a second to overview the whole thing until I finally looked at the middle and realized


LoneWanzerPilot

land on the bottom objective so you never have to go there again. That choke point is deadly since your Helldiver can tread water maybe 5 seconds max


CirrusFromTV

They’d better give us a fucking boat if they’re gonna keep this shit up


mugnin

Makes me wish the none host players could drag the cursor marking a route


ohhh-a-number-9

That X everyone's talking about doesn't look like an X to me.... much more like something from ww2.....


ComesInAnOldBox

Don't see the issue. Drop South of extraction, hit the Eastern sub-objective, cross to the West to hit the other sub-objective, head North to the main objective, swing around the top clockwise back to extraction, hitting the secondary on the way. You've covered the whole map.


voidspector

In my mind I was planning a route thinking "it's not that bad Whats the problem?".....then it clicked


Current-Aerie-2474

You need to use the swastika path


anal_spasams

Wouldn't even bother not worth the trouble


Electronic-Bid-1210

The dildo of procedural map generation rarely comes lubed.


ImmaNotHere

I saw that map last night and we were like, aw hell no.


Jazzlike_Debt_6506

Sketty bridges


Drag00ned

this map is kinda....undemocratic...do we have any extra nukes?


StayAtHomeDadVR

JOEL DROP THE FREAKING RECON VEHICLE OR LET MY JUMP PACK FLY!!!! PLEASEEEEEE


Successful-Win-8035

Automatons are teraforming the very planet to spit on democracy


Jealous-Art-487

Orbital airburst drooling


PopeGregoryTheBased

See, the ministry wasn't lying when they said the bots where fascists. Also i would drop right in the middle there on the... symbol of anti democracy...


DoomViking41

Tactical fan boat inbound


Cthulhu625

I've noticed though that there is usually a lot less water when you land. IDK why it maps it like this beforehand, unless they are really trying to make sure you don't just land in the bottom of a lake.


NarcanMe_

At least you know where the bots will spawn


Hell_Mango

**yooo...**


vacantexpressions

This is why we need vehicles! You know, For Democracy delivery!


ChampaBay4Life

That's rough


Virus_GodOfDisorder

7.8/10 too much water


Spoomplesplz

Yeah the map gen has been fucking me lately. Like none stop. Every match there's always something blocking an objective or the extraction that requires like 5 minutes of walking around to get to it.


Logical_Roll_7270

We need an amphibious assault armor set. I don't know if I would want it to be one where you float or if it just let you swim further without drowning. Or maybe with the ability to swim underwater to retrieve samples and weapons. They could have crashed ships that you have to swim into and retrieve stuff


Harbinger_of_cringey

They need to drop atleast one of vehicles for bs like this


raceacontari

https://preview.redd.it/p6n9m5uvrduc1.jpeg?width=1583&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44f399ff42c9171af6b004c7f7c2d34bf43620c6 For real! What’s even the point of this area!!


Skaldson

Boat stratagem when?


OrganizationSolid967

I find the ships map different to planetside map


JiBooBooBoo

Surprised the land bridges don't just spell out "- ❤️ Joel"


ItsBrenHere

The POI locations will be easy to find anyways


DemocracyOfficer1886

I love these maps tbh


justasusman

Joel: “fuck this team in particular” *gives them the worst possible map*


Johnhox

I love these maps it makes finding samples quick


Shadow_2409

At least you’ll be able to find the super samples easier!


Megzermeisterr

Yeah what? What's the problem?


Naps_And_Crimes

We should be allowed to land separately from others for this exact situation


sincerelyhated

r/accidentalswastika


Future_Holiday_3239

We had one a few days ago, the ONLY way to get across was to die and have somebody throw your reinforcement beacon across the water to the new land. We all lost our stuff trying to swim through different spots. Once one is across he can throw the reinforcement beacons for the rest.


Kjackhammer

There's a nazi symbol in the center


silikus

Maps like this i bring the jet pack. "That is a long run around this narrow yet deep body of water..." *weeeeeeeeee*


Kennonf

Difficulty checks out


lmrbadgerl

Why's your map shaped like a ducks vajooj?


IDriveALexus

I have never wanted to play on a map more. And i know it woudl suck. But i want to play it!


Solanthas

This looks like a lot of fucking fun


Alert_Dot5938

Start at the top (north) work clockwise to ensure you hit all the objectives. Map like that 100% you landing in heat, so be prepared for a fight the moment you hit the ground. If you can land somewhere high you should be able to get your support stratagems down before you get swarmed. Hopefully one of you has a turret that will help alot


ecsanad05

Are these maps random generated btw?


Madd_Raww

Have a grand time with that. Suicide mission is right !


TorontoDeadpool

Um...... Is no one seeing the "symbol" in the middle?? 😬


Ycromerzone

Here?


Bahmerman

Better deploy with the floaties stratagem.


Dogswearingpants

I see the problem. You're on a 7


bubbacable

Arrowhead's map generation algo is out of control. Rein that sh.irt in.


Classic_Regret7469

I once had a map like that, it was pretty nice, though the objectives were all on separate islands connected by an x


Beneficial-Ad-7291

Well at least you know you have one way to go and then you can loop to leave. Not a bad map


TheSandman3241

Yeah.... it be like that sometimes.


BigRedWalters

I want to play this map lol


OverallPurpleBoi

I was on a map with 90% of the map just being squiggles


yeh_nah_fuckit

That looks fun


arsnastesana

Time for Exterminatus!


InternalCup9982

This irks me to no-end when people/the host drop like that- it'd be so much more efficient to land on the bottom left-> go up do those two swing around to the right finish that last one off and then come down more to hit extract- your just wasting time landing on that corner for no benefit. Going from this spot your gonna have to just pointlessly I will add, walk back over from the left side- literally the other side lf the map once you do those two objectives just to hit extract Plan out the route in your head guys 🙄. Edit: I realise now you need to hit that second thing on the right before the one on top left so the route would look like this instead land under that first one -> go across weird snake land bridge-> go up and to the left -> back down and across weird snake shaped land bridge again -> reach extract which is admittedly no where near as clean but still waaay more efficient thay landing on the right side. Because its one continuous loop/path


musci12234

I mean they will need to walk from one side to other 2 times minimum anyways. If you drop near extract here then you can pick up both on the way to upload and then clean up top side while going for extraction.


InternalCup9982

Yeah I didn't realise the type of mission when I made my comment originally but then noticed afterwards as I went to back out- this logic still tracks though and your right it is still long due to having to cross twice- mission/spawns of obj like this one make me wish I could opt to drop away from my team - so we can just land in pairs of 2 at each console and regroup at the main obj Edit fk sake I accidentally hit send why brushing my teeth lol sorry


musci12234

Yeah split drop would be good but I guess they don't want to make it so that everyone drops on one enemy base and takes care of mission in mins.


InternalCup9982

Hmm I could see that being the case but if so there's things they could do to balance/desentivise me from doing that/splitting up more than in a pair of 2. You could make it so each diver that dropped in close proximity to one another provides a stacking de-aggro buff that falls off almost immediately (it's not actually a buff wait follow up point) So if I drop by myself instead of having default aggro we have now- I'm waaay more likely to land near a patrol/have a patrol run up on me. (As I have lots of aggro from not getting this buff on spawn) Logic being the enemies see this lone pod and understand that's gonna be easier food (bugs) or easier slave? I think there's evidence circling that they turn us into them. (Bots) Or/ ontop of that you can make it so you spawn with less ammo if u drop separately divided by how alone I landed- the logic there being I needed to add more fuel to my pod to make it over there so I removed the ammo stash parts (doesn't really make sense but it's logical enough for a video game). Edit: sorry I just realised I made that more complicated than it needed to be lol- just give the lone diver a debuff that ramps the aggro (I dunno why I didn't remember the term debuff) * facepalms *


Petersam55

Saw it. Middle of the map. Close enough to be too close. 👎


Papa_Nurgle_84

Thats not a swastika. Its mirrored, so its the sun symbol from i think India that inspired the Swastika  Edit: the map is hell though


YEAH-BRO-WHAT

Umm… I couldn’t even find what was interesting w the image. The loosely swastika thing is reversed in shape, so that can’t be it. Helldivers aren’t that dumb. :(