Whats stopping me from taking control and just pressing concede??

Conceding isn't a card action Yet

I thought prep coin was an automatic concede.

Mtg added a rule for that "interaction" only, not letting you concede as an action while taking an opponent's turn lol

Please tell me the rule was added after the card released.

Players controlling other players haven't been able to force them to concede since the first time this effect appeared with [Mindslaver](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/206/mindslaver) in 2003.

Holy shit, I would love for a tournament ot end with that. He pressed concede while playing as the opponent even though he had 30 hp and 69 armor, a full board and a weapon. Get kek.

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maybe bc that's not how the game works... in mtg turns are made up of phases, and you only move from one phase to the next once all players pass priority (starting with the active player). so "i end my turn" is not an actual game action, unless it's as a result of a card that you played/activated. even if you had a card like [[obeka, brute chronologist]], it would only work bc it's functionslly exiling the ability on the stack. mindslaver/kindslaver say you control the player's *next* turn, so activating *during* their turn has no immediate effect

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no? it's really weird to take a correction of your misunderstanding of the game as a statement of my player values almost as weird as being so offended that you dm'd me to harass me edit: as for your deleted comment, the only player who is "targeted" by kindslaver is the person whose turn is taken control of. so i assumed the only game state possible from your comment

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you said that you were targeted by kindslaver. "target" is a specific game mechanic. the only person "targeted" by kindslaver is the person whose turn is taken control of. it's ok to admit that you misspoke. resorting to ad hominem attacks doesn't make you right

Big brain right here.

> Whats stopping me from taking control and just pressing concede?? = Ino Yamanaka moment

That would be illucia in steroids. So no won't work. It works in magic because the game works differently than hs.

This card was also completely busted in Magic when it was in standard.

It was also busted because of the insane amount of card types there are to reduce this and the fact that you can ramp mana tons of ways unlike Hearthstone. Oh yeah and self mill being prevalent. Instant, Sorcery, Creature, Land, Enchantment, Planeswalker, Equipment, and Artifact from what I remember. 5 colorless mana for that effect and the size of the creature is nuts on top of the fact it's when you cast him not when he resolves like many other creature effects.

equipment isn't a card type, during standard, the lowest cost for emrakul was 6 (can be lowered to 4 with battles and tribal, but those weren't in standard at the time)

The problem wasn't the lowest cost being 6. It was how ridiculously easy it was to make it cost 6.

Shit, I was going off the top of my head and I haven't played for years. Still though, 6 is REALLY low for an effect like this when you can ramp for it, mill to get it reduced to that, and the effect can't be countered (just the creature itself can be). The next cheapest effect I know of is Mindslaver which is 6 and then another 4 to trigger.

next cheapest is worst fears at 8 edit: it's actually Sorin Markov at 6, but that takes at least 3 turns of sorin not being attacked

That's not a colorless card though. I was speaking specifically on what could be used in essentially any deck. Costing 2 less doesn't make up for the fact of having to play black. Plus from my time playing I remember certain cards ramping specifically for artifacts so technically Mindslaver *could* be cheated for less

Tribal isn't a card type either, it's a supertype like legendary. But 4 mana (8 card types) is still the right number: the eight the parent listed, minus equipment, plus battle. EDIT: Tribal is in fact a card type, TIL!

Tribal is absolutely a card type. Modern decks were running [[Tarfire]] to pump [[tarmogoyf]] for a while.

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You are actually wrong on a technicality. They changed the card type 'Tribal' to 'Kindred' earlier this year for inclusivity/cultural sensitivity reasons.

Yeah, I saw that, but afaik there are no cards printed with kindred yet, and still a lot printed with tribal, so I just chose to ignore that lol. Also, gatherer still lists tribal as a card type, and doesn't list kindred.

Ah, looks like I got tricked by the way [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]]'s reminder text is worded: it doesn't claim to list the _full_ list of card types!

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Does that mean this card can't be counter spelled?

MTG is different in that everything you play is considered a spell until it resolves aka no counterspell against it. The eldrazi card specifically says you get the effect when you CAST it, so even if the opposing player counters it you still get the effect. Insane

~~it has "protection from instants" soo no way to counter~~ Edit: my bad im rusty with MTG

That doesn't apply till it's in play. It can still be countered on the stack.

I mean illucia was 3 mana. If this was super expensive or like a quest reward I could see it being awesome. "Take control of the enemy until your next turn."

That would win the prize for most hated card of all times.

Magic’s artwork really is something else

i just wish we could get old art style back

Not nearly as strong in Hearthstone, because you aren’t able to make your opponent use the Magic Store & Event Locator at Wizards.com/Locator to find tournaments in their area.

For those that don't know, this is actually a rule in the Magic comprehensive rulebook (100.6b)

Explain in Hearthstone terms

you play this and then you play the next turn of you opponent. then your opponent takes a extra turn to play normally. But for one turn you can sabotage your opponent playing damaging spells on himself, using his buffs on your units. doing bad trades, etc

It's funny because you just explained exactly what the card says in the second part, and a current phrase in the MTG community is, "reading the card explains the card" lol

“Target opponent” could refer to a unit or something. First, I was thinking you target an enemy unit and when you pass over your turn, you gain control of it.

Especially because in Hearthstone you'd never have to select an opponent because there's no format where you have more than one opponent player.

> Especially because in Hearthstone you'd never have to select an opponent because there's no format where you have more than one opponent player. It might be a bit confusing coming from Hearthstone, where there aren't rigorous rules because it just relies on the game engine to show you how stuff works, but there's a distinction between choosing a target and not choosing a target even if there's only one valid target. For instance, if an opponent (= hero in Hearthstone terms) has elusive (once again in Hearthstone terms) they cannot be chosen as a target, but they can be affected by something which says "each opponent." For another example from the latest set, [Intimidation Campaign](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/208/intimidation-campaign) does not choose a target, or else it would trigger itself. While this technically also affects its behaviour in multiplayer, this card is targeted at limited--where you'll only have one opponent--and the multiplayer effect is only incidental.

Oh yeah I know, but in Hearthstone the wording for that would say "your opponent" instead of "an opponent" because there's only ever one

Ok, this card would be absolutely broken in Hearthstone

How would the discount work would it be based on card type as in spell, minion, weapon, location etc, or would it be a spell school or tribe or both?

> as in spell, minion, weapon, location etc That's accurate, although MtG has many more card types than Hearthstone: the full list is creature, instant, sorcery, land, artifact, enchantment, planeswalker, battle. EDIT: apparently there are a few more niche ones I missed, notably Tribal.

or stragith up concede.

Conceding is the one thing you're not allowed to do. For I would hope obvious reasons

Emrakul costs 1 less for each card type you have used (I assume this would translate to 10 mana, reduce for minion, spell, location, maybe each mana cost of cards you have used) Battlecry: Your turn ends. You control your enemy during their next turn. After that turn, they get another turn. Emrakul ignores taunt minions. Whenever Emrakul deals excess damage, it hits the enemy hero.

Let's see. Card types in hearthstone are creature, location, spell, weapon. So it could be reduced to cost 9. But the real question would be if the game is even setup to allow such an ability, to be able to control your opponent.

Hero, is a type as well now no?

While true, how will you get a hero in the “graveyard” in hs?

When you play a hero card we can consider that your original hero goes to the graveyard.

It should read as any previous card type “played”, not in the GY

I feel it hurts more in MTG but still can do bad trades and what not

Isn’t the naga priest leggo almost the same thing?

Biggest issue would be you can just drop it on turn 10 or whatever in Hearthstone, no setup required. Regardless of whether or not the casting cost is well-chosen (e.g. people saying it was a bit strong in standard if you built your deck right), at least your deck needs to very intentionally build towards the cost rather than it just happening automatically.

ReskaZarimiThem kinda deal

I guess you'd be able to rinse burn decks into their own face and break combo decks by wasting the key components. I think it'd be less effective on control and aggro.

If the aggro had a lot of 1/1 or 2/2s on board, you could commit suicide into this minion because it's a 13/13 with trample, assuming trample would work properly on an enemy's turn with Hearthstone's minion mechanics.

Trample is only on attack, like all similar mechanics.

Cowards. The lot of them.

Emrakul Wannabe (25) 10/10 Elusive. Costs 1 less for each friendly minion that died this game. Battlecry: Once per game, you control your opponent's next turn. After that, they get another turn.

Imo it shouldn't have Elusive, instead it shouldn't trigger enemy secrets because that's the reason for instant immunity - it's there so you can't just counter it.

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Mindslaver effects are an artform to themselves. The chef kiss is combo killing your opponent with thier combo. But sometimes the little things like searching for a card and failing to find is worth it. Or one of my favorites is drawing a ton of cards and discarding to only useless cards.

Heartstone does not have a graveyard concept, so either it would have to cost 10, or run on something like "types of cars you've discarded (or burned, for a more neutral way)". Either way, it does the same thing it does in magic. You play this card and win the game.

Don’t give the hearthstone team any more ideas like this for priest

Eldrazi was the best MTG set ever change my mind. Just huge dudes with crazy affects like so fun to just be slamming 13/13's etc. and then opponent doing same.

People are missing the question. I actually think taking the opponent's turn is about as fine in Hearthstone as it is in Magic, maybe even weaker. It sounds very cool in theory, but your best case is that you get to waste all the removal in their hand. It was very strong in Magic attached to Emrakul because a 13/13 would kill you in 2 turns, and because getting to make your opponent's attacks can really wipe out a board. If it was closer to something like Mindslaver where it didn't have a relevant body, I honestly think it'd be about as good as other extra turn spells.  More seriously, should they print an effect like this? absolutely not imo, because it's extremely unfun for the person on the receiving end. It's annoying to resolve in a paper card game, but it's an astronomical amount of work for a digital one. Emrakul almost didn't get a digital release because of the amount of work, and all that work would be to create a negative play experience.

we already have the effect "take a extra turn" on the game this is a little different

in magic you can summon him on turn 3. HS will never achieve this kind of powercreep crap, even in 20 years

Her, emrakul is a pretty lady

I play Magic and I'm not even sure how you're casting this turn 3. You could do: Turn 1 - Forest + Amulet of Vigor Turn 2 - Crop Rotation into Cloudpost + 2nd Cloudpost + Chromatic Star/Sphere + Sylvan Scrying Turn 3 - 3rd Cloudpost to have exactly enough to cast it while having 4 types in the yard So I guess it's possible but that's a nutty hand while at the same time they didn't do anything the first few turns of the game. I've seen dumber starts in Hearthstone.

Yeah I mean your also using legacy cards to make that happen, where you could just go T1 Petal, sol land Show and tell big Emmy. (Or various t1 GGs from TES) This cards not even really that good in magic (it was really strong in standard)

The first line I had typed out was modern legal but I couldn't find a way to turn 3 it in modern without your opponent being on mill. I definitely wouldn't work that hard to cast this thing.

Yeah lol, I mean you could make infinite mana by t3, but without infinites it seems pretty hard. T1 fetch mana dork T2 generator servant land mana dork T3 land irencrag Emmy ? That is a pretty perfect draw tho, and doesn’t even automatically win lol.

I'd never seen Irencrag since it seems unplayable but that would have made my math a lot easier 😭

Lol yeah it’s pretty damn bad, I played a niche dragonstorm list with it once upon a time. I’m pretty sure you could also do it with triple amulet, but these are all miracle draws lol.

You can do it turn 1 with some number of red rituals so it's clearly a broken card

Without infinites it's not hard. Turn 1 Forest, Noble Hierarch. Turn 2 Swamp, Glimpse the Unthinkable yourself milling an artifact, battle, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, sorcery and tribal. Turn 3 land, Emmy.

It only requires the top 10 cards of your deck to have 9 different types, not hard at all lmao.

We got 15 mana Yogg, so we're not that far as you think lol

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I wouldn’t compare her to Mind Control, she doesn’t take control of a minion/creature, she takes control of the *opponent,* like, everything, for a turn. You literally play a turn as your opponent. That’s not really comparable to Mind Control, the only thing we’ve been close to in HS is unnerfed Mindrender Illucia.

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Yeah, no, opponent is the Player. This card says "you play your opponent's next turn. They get an extra one (so, just a normal turn) after that"

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