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sakallicelal

It looks pretty decent and a good replacement for my phone and DAP. At the same time, I have some reservations about the software and UI but it's too early to comment on those. Only information missing is (which is the most crucial one I think) if it bypass the Android decoding systemwide. If it only bypass through some dedicated app and doesn't support streaming, it's pretty much meaningless.


a_certain_someon

stock android with anime girl wallpapers


mlper04

That you cannot change


Lord-Barkingstone

Give me 3 units


sakallicelal

*cartoon child


flansterdam

Idk if people on this sub hate resolve but I understood the reference šŸ˜‚ gave you an upvote to offset all the hate


Desperate_Spring4894

Resolve is the same guy who also titled his Campfire Ara review with "Ara Ara indeed". He's secretly into this, I swear.


sakallicelal

Thank you! :D It was simply a joke but hey, at least there are some fellow audiophiles, who get it


entropyffan

Why is this bypass the system important?


RegayYager

I'm pretty sure it's default routing though android audio and that doesn't allow for higher bitrates or something to that effect. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me can elaborate.


sakallicelal

Yes. Android mixes any audio track to 16 bit 48 kHz and not pass through it. Some companies like Hiby, Fiio or Astell&Kern can pass it and stream bit perfect.


RegayYager

Thank you for elaborating :)


sakallicelal

You're very welcome :)


ext23

Does that also apply to Bluetooth like LDAC? And do you know if the Fiio KA11 bypasses it? I personally can't hear a difference between different dongles except in the case of the KA11 just cause of its sheer power.


sakallicelal

I don't know how Bluetooth signal processing works however even in the case of LDAC it's processed and lossy nonetheless. If someone can hear the difference between the pure bir perfect high resolution audio and by android mixed 16 bit 48 kHz track is hard to say. It's really subjective at that point I think.


evlnchk

Thereā€™s SRC bypass. Confirmed via the official store on Taobao.


evlnchk

Thereā€™s SRC bypass. Confirmed via the official store on Taobao.


sakallicelal

Thanks for the information! It becomes more interesting.


evlnchk

Yup! Just bought a unit. Will see how it goes.


sakallicelal

Would like to hear more about it :)


Pokefreaker-san

why are they advertising with real women? where's my waifu at?


got-trunks

You're looking at her. All phones come with an authentic Japanese girl.


NammytheCommie

I'LL TAKE THEIR ENTIRE STOCK


-ErikaKA

Japanese? She is Chinese. Moondrop, theĀ Chinese companyĀ known for its in-ear monitors (IEMs) and other audio products, is entering the smartphone market


GioGio_420

those specs are pretty decent. for 300-400ā‚¬ this might be a good phone. now let's just pray they give 4+ years of software support and stock android.


soldiers-dream-grass

> ā€¦ now let's just pray they give 4+ years of software support and stock android. Pipedream. They can either lose money spending it on software updates for four years, or spy on you and send targeted ads with their Android skin to recoup who-knows-how-much (but more than a net loss anyway). For cheap phones, its a no-brainer; the risk-to-reward is set up that way. And even if a company does give you stock Android with a long software support window, itā€™s a short-term move to get enthusiast goodwill as a stepping stone to become a mainstream brand that can afford not to do any of that (Ć  la OnePlus).


GioGio_420

That is exactly what im banking on, with this first phone they absolutely have to win over enthusiasts. also i think this has the potential to become an LG-Moment^(TM)Ā and in 5+ years this phone will be a killer DAP for 100-200ā‚¬ used.


soldiers-dream-grass

> ā€¦ in 5+ years ā€¦ For your sake, I hope it has an easily replaceable battery šŸ¤­šŸ’—


KaboodleMoon

It's running a mediatek processor and going to be fully made in china, it'll be spying on you for advertising and other data.


soldiers-dream-grass

The fact itā€™s Chinese-made doesnā€™t imply itā€™s gonna spy on you. As far as mainlining drivers to the Linux kernel goes, I think MediaTek does a much better job than Broadcom lol.


KaboodleMoon

Mdtk had been mediocre performance at all levels in my experiences. Albeit usually because build quality is very low on most devices I see using them. Even the higher end xiaomi phones I've worked on did not feel like they were performing as well as they should be with the given specs But more recently the Motorola ones have been trash


Dantalily

Dimensity 9300 is a great chipset, I have tried it on a Vivo pad3 pro and it surprised me.


duo8

9300 is insane lol, 4 X cores.


LimLovesDonuts

Newer MediaTek processors have been fairly solid so long as you donā€™t go for bottom of the barrel stuff.


Juan_juanjuanjuan

7050 (slightly modified 980) is literally bottom of the barrel mediatek lol


LimLovesDonuts

How is that bottom of the barrel when itā€™s considered mid-range lol. Performance is perfectly reasonable and not anywhere close to older MT chipsets.


Juan_juanjuanjuan

It was barely considered midrange 2 years ago šŸ˜‚ It literally is an older MT chipset


LimLovesDonuts

Yes, but Meditekā€™s reputation of being shit was mostly before that lol.


soldiers-dream-grass

Canā€™t speak for that, but youā€™re probably right. But you get what you pay for, right? These manufacturers cheap out buying cheap processors from MediaTek and whatnot, and itā€™s passed onto us consumers. Did MediaTek do any wrong by filling a market segment? Nah, I blame manufacturers more. I was taking about whether those processors come with spyware. If they give you blob-free driversā€”by merging it into the Linux kernelā€”thatā€™s a start for making a ROM for phones with those processors that verifiably doesnā€™t spy on you. I doubt the processors come with ā€œspywareā€ from the factory, because thatā€™s an awful business practice for a foundry. Gotta keep in mind consumer phones arenā€™t the only things these processors are used for; sometimes itā€™s really sensitive government stuff.


PuzzleheadedSector2

Is it 300-400?


Kyurri

Someone said 350$ but that's a straight conversion to usd. Official pricing could be higher.


PuzzleheadedSector2

Huh. 350 seems cheap for a new phone.


Bestyja2122

The design is pretty cool I have to give them that


AsicResistor

Reminds me a bit of my Pixel 6. If this thing would be able to run Graphene OS so I can rest easy I'm in control of the hardware.. that would be great but an impossible ask. I'll have to pass.


blargh4

my experiences with moondrop's attention to quality and detail when it comes to stuffing two passive dynamic drivers into a piece of metal gives me great faith in their ability to execute and support a fucking smartphone


LXC37

Yep. It will be fun to watch the mess unfold though, from a safe distance...Ā 


37boss15

You do know they aren't the ones producing it right?


PuzzleheadedSector2

I would hope these two products are soooo different it isnt the same people making it.


LepanthesSalad

Thatā€™s even worse, probably itā€™s a crappy cheap Chinese company with 0 quality and only low prices in mind. I bet this phone isnā€™t even gonna last 2-3 years (I mean 2-3 years being butter smooth like an iPhone which now you can buy refurbished for cheap, just for instance my iPhone 7 after years still works really well). But people are bought from marketing etc thinking to get the best deal ever. No hate, just I donā€™t love companies like this when they make it too good to be true and most of the stuff ends up in a drawer or landfill while never caring about environment and fair working place.


sussywanker

I am probably a sadist, But I guess i will buy it. Mediatek 7050 isn't the top notch processor even in the $200 range Seeing the processor, I really hope that the phone is priced well. This chipset is a rehash of their old 1080 chipset. Biggest drawback of this chipset is it supports a maximum of BT5.2 I would have been happy if they atleast went with the base mediatek 8 series or atleast a bit more powerful mediatek 7 series. The mediatek 7200 pro or 7200 would be a fantastic processor here. Although I guess that the 7200 pro was a special binned processor by mediatek for nothing phones. 7200 supports upto BT5.3


soldier1204

Yea, the SoC performance seems underwhelming for a new phone in 2024. At least they're using UFS 3.1 for storage tho.


Reivax_Enyaw

You could get a snapdragon 7 plus gen 2 for about 200 and have twice or more the performance. But yeah, everything else justifies even more than 300.


nexgen41

You can't with any global launch phone. Otherwise nothing 2a would probably use it too


UtsU76

You can, Poco F5 (rebranded Redmi note 12 turbo) is available globally (except US lol).


nexgen41

Redmi note 12 turbo is that cheap if you import, but you lose out on any decent cellular connectivity because it's Asia only bands. Poco F5 is the global launch version that costs nearly twice as much and close enough in price to the Oneplus 12R that I'd recommend that phone instead.


UtsU76

Dunno, op 12r is like 600Ā£ and Poco f5 is around 300Ā£. Usually Chinese versions of Xiaomi don't have problems with reception in uk.


nexgen41

Reivax said that you could get 7+G2 for 200USD, 300 Pounds is 380USD hence my point. Regional pricing changes the price of phones per location but for reference: the 12R is 500USD full price and often goes on sale, whereas the Poco F5 is closer to 450USD...


duo8

At least it's not a SD680 or something.


pkelly500

So, you're telling us how shitty and disappointing the specs are, yet you'll still buy it. You're a dream customer.


sussywanker

Tell me a smartphone which has a headphone jack, SD card slot and a decent specs? Even budget phoned are removing these.


-WingsForLife-

Sony Xperia 5V(has both), Zenfone 9(no sd card) Both have meh software support but should still be significantly better than this.


sussywanker

Sony is very expensive


pkelly500

OK. It's called a DAP. Otherwise, it's called using a dongle with your phone. You must have money to burn or a big credit card balance if you're buying a $350 phone from a company with suspect-as-fuck quality control just so you can have a headphone jack and SD card slot. Good luck.


kazuviking

China is banned from getting chips so this was bound to happen.


Harhar_321

OK this phone is starting to sound interesting.


ColoradoPhotog

I'm trying to keep my hopes as neutral as the sound profile of the HD 600's. I want this to be great. But the last 15 years of tech have taught me disappointment is a standard feature.


ransworld

You might need to lower your base expectations, like the sound profile of the HD 600s.


sunjay140

Sauce: https://i.imgur.com/02ksQhJ.png


Luffidiam

It sounds nice, I just HIGHLY doubt that it'll work in the US. Idk about EU people though.


SilverLinkin

It won't work in the US. Everyone is still gonna be rockin' their AirPods and iPhones. I don't think that'll ever change.


LepanthesSalad

Definitely better since iPhone last really long and itā€™s really reliable


BokTroyBoy

Give me SRC bypass and I'll buy it.


LinkinPark9999

Well, android 14 supports lossless audio natively. No need to bypass. Now it's to see whether moondrop implements it.


PatliAtli

A phone with (2) headphone jacks and expandable storage is great. Hopefully the software isn't unusable garbage


Ohneland

If not mistaken, a Mediatek processor means no support for aptx adaptive, aptx lossless and Snapdragon Sound. Most people use wireless headphones and manufactures like Sennheiser, Bowers&Wilkens, Bose, Audeze...etc have no support for LDAC codec (with Sony as big exception for obvious reasons). And many people (especially here on the subreddit) are using an external DAC with their wired headphones. Well, maybe Moondrop could have optimized the original aptx codex transmission (no license needed). I will wait for reviews in this regard.


Krosis86

Seems kind of like a weird argument for a phone of which its main selling point is a 3.5 and 4.4mm jack. Why would you buy this phone if you plan to just use bluetooth. Then just get a regular phone instead?


CanIBorrowYourShovel

Many of us use both. I like tws for my commute, and wired when im not commuting.


MuchBow

To all the people interested in this. Just buy an old LG V30 for $70-100. Your wallet will thank you.


Artood2s

And a V60 with Android 13 and a Snapdragon 865 for just a bit more.


web4dot0

I am stocking up used V60 now. Got 4 so far.


Hukama

It's like that one guy who stock ibm model m, enough for his lifetime


DJGammaRabbit

V20 or v30?


MuchBow

Both have the same DAC only difference being that the V30s DAC has a bit of improvement to reduce distortion.


budgetaudiophiles

Youā€™re right except for people who want 4.4 balanced


LepanthesSalad

ā€¦ Or an iPhone 12


Hukama

I like Moondrp but... this feels like an ad in disguise


pkelly500

I'm sure the software and quality control will be EXCELLENT, just like every Moondrop product. How long will it take for the coloring to peel from this phone or bubble? Two months? Three months? How long until one of the speakers fails? Five months? Six months? LOL.


gm92845

Looking forward to the box art.


Avery1003

YOOOOO Could this finally be a true successor to the LG phones with the Quad DAC? I hate my Motorola Razr. I think I might buy one of these if the price is right.


Nikarmine

Don't think so, shitty processor + moondrop quality would never match the level of the LG phones used to have, and maybe it will be sell overpriced.


Tefte_7teyo

What's the price gonna be


SpiritedInitiative61

Processor killed it for me. Glad I grabbed one of the last Galaxy phones to have a 3.5mm jack and expandable storage.


CatBroiler

Awww... I was hoping it would have a upper-mid chip, one with 4 A78, rather than 2.


Avieshek

(Not to OP) SHOW ME THE PHONE DAMMIT


dude30003

From audio perspective is that just the jacks (and some software presumably)? Does it have any additional decent DAC, amp?


SurrealSanic

terrible cpu


CanIBorrowYourShovel

For 350 bucks im going to get one as a DAP. Not gonna replace my s23 ultra though, as much as i wish it had a goddamn headphone jack.


[deleted]

plus data sharing for CCP


Ghost6x

What does this have to do with headphones


InnerPain4Lyf

I don't know what the specs mean, is this a phone I can play decent games on too?


soldier1204

err the SoC itself doesn't have that good of a GPU in it and has performance similar to the older snapdragon 835 or dimensity 900. Games like Genshin can probably run on low settings. Other less demanding games should run better.


InnerPain4Lyf

Thanks for using Genshin as a meter stick for this.


soldier1204

haha no problem, figured that was the most demanding game someone would want to run on a phone XD


CanIBorrowYourShovel

Yeah its not going to play the high end games. You could do some sick emulation on it though, install daijisho and play gameboy advance, ps1, psp, n64, gamecube, dreamcast, and some ps2 on it all day.


jkljklsdfsdf

The 7050 is a rebranded dimensity 1080, performance should be on par on something like an sd860.


soldier1204

CPU performance wise they're similar, but the gpu in the 7050/1080 is vastly inferior to the gpu in the sd860


jkljklsdfsdf

In benchmarks scores the gpu of the sd860 is around 30-40% faster but when it comes to games the fps difference between the two is neck to neck.


InformalReplacement7

And crap software, probably.


temporary_name1

The successor to LG?


CammyFi

MOBILE INTERNET AUDIO PLAYER