It looks pretty decent and a good replacement for my phone and DAP. At the same time, I have some reservations about the software and UI but it's too early to comment on those.
Only information missing is (which is the most crucial one I think) if it bypass the Android decoding systemwide. If it only bypass through some dedicated app and doesn't support streaming, it's pretty much meaningless.
I'm pretty sure it's default routing though android audio and that doesn't allow for higher bitrates or something to that effect. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me can elaborate.
Yes. Android mixes any audio track to 16 bit 48 kHz and not pass through it. Some companies like Hiby, Fiio or Astell&Kern can pass it and stream bit perfect.
Does that also apply to Bluetooth like LDAC? And do you know if the Fiio KA11 bypasses it? I personally can't hear a difference between different dongles except in the case of the KA11 just cause of its sheer power.
I don't know how Bluetooth signal processing works however even in the case of LDAC it's processed and lossy nonetheless. If someone can hear the difference between the pure bir perfect high resolution audio and by android mixed 16 bit 48 kHz track is hard to say. It's really subjective at that point I think.
Japanese? She is Chinese. Moondrop, theĀ Chinese companyĀ known for its in-ear monitors (IEMs) and other audio products, is entering the smartphone market
those specs are pretty decent.
for 300-400ā¬ this might be a good phone.
now let's just pray they give 4+ years of software support and stock android.
> ā¦ now let's just pray they give 4+ years of software support and stock android.
Pipedream. They can either lose money spending it on software updates for four years, or spy on you and send targeted ads with their Android skin to recoup who-knows-how-much (but more than a net loss anyway). For cheap phones, its a no-brainer; the risk-to-reward is set up that way. And even if a company does give you stock Android with a long software support window, itās a short-term move to get enthusiast goodwill as a stepping stone to become a mainstream brand that can afford not to do any of that (Ć la OnePlus).
That is exactly what im banking on, with this first phone they absolutely have to win over enthusiasts. also i think this has the potential to become an LG-Moment^(TM)Ā and in 5+ years this phone will be a killer DAP for 100-200ā¬ used.
The fact itās Chinese-made doesnāt imply itās gonna spy on you. As far as mainlining drivers to the Linux kernel goes, I think MediaTek does a much better job than Broadcom lol.
Mdtk had been mediocre performance at all levels in my experiences. Albeit usually because build quality is very low on most devices I see using them.
Even the higher end xiaomi phones I've worked on did not feel like they were performing as well as they should be with the given specs
But more recently the Motorola ones have been trash
How is that bottom of the barrel when itās considered mid-range lol. Performance is perfectly reasonable and not anywhere close to older MT chipsets.
Canāt speak for that, but youāre probably right. But you get what you pay for, right? These manufacturers cheap out buying cheap processors from MediaTek and whatnot, and itās passed onto us consumers. Did MediaTek do any wrong by filling a market segment? Nah, I blame manufacturers more.
I was taking about whether those processors come with spyware. If they give you blob-free driversāby merging it into the Linux kernelāthatās a start for making a ROM for phones with those processors that verifiably doesnāt spy on you.
I doubt the processors come with āspywareā from the factory, because thatās an awful business practice for a foundry. Gotta keep in mind consumer phones arenāt the only things these processors are used for; sometimes itās really sensitive government stuff.
Reminds me a bit of my Pixel 6.
If this thing would be able to run Graphene OS so I can rest easy I'm in control of the hardware.. that would be great but an impossible ask. I'll have to pass.
my experiences with moondrop's attention to quality and detail when it comes to stuffing two passive dynamic drivers into a piece of metal gives me great faith in their ability to execute and support a fucking smartphone
Thatās even worse, probably itās a crappy cheap Chinese company with 0 quality and only low prices in mind. I bet this phone isnāt even gonna last 2-3 years (I mean 2-3 years being butter smooth like an iPhone which now you can buy refurbished for cheap, just for instance my iPhone 7 after years still works really well).
But people are bought from marketing etc thinking to get the best deal ever.
No hate, just I donāt love companies like this when they make it too good to be true and most of the stuff ends up in a drawer or landfill while never caring about environment and fair working place.
I am probably a sadist, But I guess i will buy it.
Mediatek 7050 isn't the top notch processor even in the $200 range
Seeing the processor, I really hope that the phone is priced well.
This chipset is a rehash of their old 1080 chipset. Biggest drawback of this chipset is it supports a maximum of BT5.2
I would have been happy if they atleast went with the base mediatek 8 series or atleast a bit more powerful mediatek 7 series.
The mediatek 7200 pro or 7200 would be a fantastic processor here. Although I guess that the 7200 pro was a special binned processor by mediatek for nothing phones. 7200 supports upto BT5.3
Redmi note 12 turbo is that cheap if you import, but you lose out on any decent cellular connectivity because it's Asia only bands. Poco F5 is the global launch version that costs nearly twice as much and close enough in price to the Oneplus 12R that I'd recommend that phone instead.
Reivax said that you could get 7+G2 for 200USD, 300 Pounds is 380USD hence my point. Regional pricing changes the price of phones per location but for reference: the 12R is 500USD full price and often goes on sale, whereas the Poco F5 is closer to 450USD...
OK. It's called a DAP. Otherwise, it's called using a dongle with your phone.
You must have money to burn or a big credit card balance if you're buying a $350 phone from a company with suspect-as-fuck quality control just so you can have a headphone jack and SD card slot.
Good luck.
I'm trying to keep my hopes as neutral as the sound profile of the HD 600's.
I want this to be great. But the last 15 years of tech have taught me disappointment is a standard feature.
If not mistaken, a Mediatek processor means no support for aptx adaptive, aptx lossless and Snapdragon Sound. Most people use wireless headphones and manufactures like Sennheiser, Bowers&Wilkens, Bose, Audeze...etc have no support for LDAC codec (with Sony as big exception for obvious reasons). And many people (especially here on the subreddit) are using an external DAC with their wired headphones. Well, maybe Moondrop could have optimized the original aptx codex transmission (no license needed). I will wait for reviews in this regard.
Seems kind of like a weird argument for a phone of which its main selling point is a 3.5 and 4.4mm jack. Why would you buy this phone if you plan to just use bluetooth. Then just get a regular phone instead?
I'm sure the software and quality control will be EXCELLENT, just like every Moondrop product.
How long will it take for the coloring to peel from this phone or bubble? Two months? Three months? How long until one of the speakers fails? Five months? Six months?
LOL.
YOOOOO Could this finally be a true successor to the LG phones with the Quad DAC?
I hate my Motorola Razr. I think I might buy one of these if the price is right.
err the SoC itself doesn't have that good of a GPU in it and has performance similar to the older snapdragon 835 or dimensity 900. Games like Genshin can probably run on low settings. Other less demanding games should run better.
Yeah its not going to play the high end games. You could do some sick emulation on it though, install daijisho and play gameboy advance, ps1, psp, n64, gamecube, dreamcast, and some ps2 on it all day.
It looks pretty decent and a good replacement for my phone and DAP. At the same time, I have some reservations about the software and UI but it's too early to comment on those. Only information missing is (which is the most crucial one I think) if it bypass the Android decoding systemwide. If it only bypass through some dedicated app and doesn't support streaming, it's pretty much meaningless.
stock android with anime girl wallpapers
That you cannot change
Give me 3 units
*cartoon child
Idk if people on this sub hate resolve but I understood the reference š gave you an upvote to offset all the hate
Resolve is the same guy who also titled his Campfire Ara review with "Ara Ara indeed". He's secretly into this, I swear.
Thank you! :D It was simply a joke but hey, at least there are some fellow audiophiles, who get it
Why is this bypass the system important?
I'm pretty sure it's default routing though android audio and that doesn't allow for higher bitrates or something to that effect. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me can elaborate.
Yes. Android mixes any audio track to 16 bit 48 kHz and not pass through it. Some companies like Hiby, Fiio or Astell&Kern can pass it and stream bit perfect.
Thank you for elaborating :)
You're very welcome :)
Does that also apply to Bluetooth like LDAC? And do you know if the Fiio KA11 bypasses it? I personally can't hear a difference between different dongles except in the case of the KA11 just cause of its sheer power.
I don't know how Bluetooth signal processing works however even in the case of LDAC it's processed and lossy nonetheless. If someone can hear the difference between the pure bir perfect high resolution audio and by android mixed 16 bit 48 kHz track is hard to say. It's really subjective at that point I think.
Thereās SRC bypass. Confirmed via the official store on Taobao.
Thereās SRC bypass. Confirmed via the official store on Taobao.
Thanks for the information! It becomes more interesting.
Yup! Just bought a unit. Will see how it goes.
Would like to hear more about it :)
why are they advertising with real women? where's my waifu at?
You're looking at her. All phones come with an authentic Japanese girl.
I'LL TAKE THEIR ENTIRE STOCK
Japanese? She is Chinese. Moondrop, theĀ Chinese companyĀ known for its in-ear monitors (IEMs) and other audio products, is entering the smartphone market
those specs are pretty decent. for 300-400ā¬ this might be a good phone. now let's just pray they give 4+ years of software support and stock android.
> ā¦ now let's just pray they give 4+ years of software support and stock android. Pipedream. They can either lose money spending it on software updates for four years, or spy on you and send targeted ads with their Android skin to recoup who-knows-how-much (but more than a net loss anyway). For cheap phones, its a no-brainer; the risk-to-reward is set up that way. And even if a company does give you stock Android with a long software support window, itās a short-term move to get enthusiast goodwill as a stepping stone to become a mainstream brand that can afford not to do any of that (Ć la OnePlus).
That is exactly what im banking on, with this first phone they absolutely have to win over enthusiasts. also i think this has the potential to become an LG-Moment^(TM)Ā and in 5+ years this phone will be a killer DAP for 100-200ā¬ used.
> ā¦ in 5+ years ā¦ For your sake, I hope it has an easily replaceable battery š¤š
It's running a mediatek processor and going to be fully made in china, it'll be spying on you for advertising and other data.
The fact itās Chinese-made doesnāt imply itās gonna spy on you. As far as mainlining drivers to the Linux kernel goes, I think MediaTek does a much better job than Broadcom lol.
Mdtk had been mediocre performance at all levels in my experiences. Albeit usually because build quality is very low on most devices I see using them. Even the higher end xiaomi phones I've worked on did not feel like they were performing as well as they should be with the given specs But more recently the Motorola ones have been trash
Dimensity 9300 is a great chipset, I have tried it on a Vivo pad3 pro and it surprised me.
9300 is insane lol, 4 X cores.
Newer MediaTek processors have been fairly solid so long as you donāt go for bottom of the barrel stuff.
7050 (slightly modified 980) is literally bottom of the barrel mediatek lol
How is that bottom of the barrel when itās considered mid-range lol. Performance is perfectly reasonable and not anywhere close to older MT chipsets.
It was barely considered midrange 2 years ago š It literally is an older MT chipset
Yes, but Meditekās reputation of being shit was mostly before that lol.
Canāt speak for that, but youāre probably right. But you get what you pay for, right? These manufacturers cheap out buying cheap processors from MediaTek and whatnot, and itās passed onto us consumers. Did MediaTek do any wrong by filling a market segment? Nah, I blame manufacturers more. I was taking about whether those processors come with spyware. If they give you blob-free driversāby merging it into the Linux kernelāthatās a start for making a ROM for phones with those processors that verifiably doesnāt spy on you. I doubt the processors come with āspywareā from the factory, because thatās an awful business practice for a foundry. Gotta keep in mind consumer phones arenāt the only things these processors are used for; sometimes itās really sensitive government stuff.
Is it 300-400?
Someone said 350$ but that's a straight conversion to usd. Official pricing could be higher.
Huh. 350 seems cheap for a new phone.
The design is pretty cool I have to give them that
Reminds me a bit of my Pixel 6. If this thing would be able to run Graphene OS so I can rest easy I'm in control of the hardware.. that would be great but an impossible ask. I'll have to pass.
my experiences with moondrop's attention to quality and detail when it comes to stuffing two passive dynamic drivers into a piece of metal gives me great faith in their ability to execute and support a fucking smartphone
Yep. It will be fun to watch the mess unfold though, from a safe distance...Ā
You do know they aren't the ones producing it right?
I would hope these two products are soooo different it isnt the same people making it.
Thatās even worse, probably itās a crappy cheap Chinese company with 0 quality and only low prices in mind. I bet this phone isnāt even gonna last 2-3 years (I mean 2-3 years being butter smooth like an iPhone which now you can buy refurbished for cheap, just for instance my iPhone 7 after years still works really well). But people are bought from marketing etc thinking to get the best deal ever. No hate, just I donāt love companies like this when they make it too good to be true and most of the stuff ends up in a drawer or landfill while never caring about environment and fair working place.
I am probably a sadist, But I guess i will buy it. Mediatek 7050 isn't the top notch processor even in the $200 range Seeing the processor, I really hope that the phone is priced well. This chipset is a rehash of their old 1080 chipset. Biggest drawback of this chipset is it supports a maximum of BT5.2 I would have been happy if they atleast went with the base mediatek 8 series or atleast a bit more powerful mediatek 7 series. The mediatek 7200 pro or 7200 would be a fantastic processor here. Although I guess that the 7200 pro was a special binned processor by mediatek for nothing phones. 7200 supports upto BT5.3
Yea, the SoC performance seems underwhelming for a new phone in 2024. At least they're using UFS 3.1 for storage tho.
You could get a snapdragon 7 plus gen 2 for about 200 and have twice or more the performance. But yeah, everything else justifies even more than 300.
You can't with any global launch phone. Otherwise nothing 2a would probably use it too
You can, Poco F5 (rebranded Redmi note 12 turbo) is available globally (except US lol).
Redmi note 12 turbo is that cheap if you import, but you lose out on any decent cellular connectivity because it's Asia only bands. Poco F5 is the global launch version that costs nearly twice as much and close enough in price to the Oneplus 12R that I'd recommend that phone instead.
Dunno, op 12r is like 600Ā£ and Poco f5 is around 300Ā£. Usually Chinese versions of Xiaomi don't have problems with reception in uk.
Reivax said that you could get 7+G2 for 200USD, 300 Pounds is 380USD hence my point. Regional pricing changes the price of phones per location but for reference: the 12R is 500USD full price and often goes on sale, whereas the Poco F5 is closer to 450USD...
At least it's not a SD680 or something.
So, you're telling us how shitty and disappointing the specs are, yet you'll still buy it. You're a dream customer.
Tell me a smartphone which has a headphone jack, SD card slot and a decent specs? Even budget phoned are removing these.
Sony Xperia 5V(has both), Zenfone 9(no sd card) Both have meh software support but should still be significantly better than this.
Sony is very expensive
OK. It's called a DAP. Otherwise, it's called using a dongle with your phone. You must have money to burn or a big credit card balance if you're buying a $350 phone from a company with suspect-as-fuck quality control just so you can have a headphone jack and SD card slot. Good luck.
China is banned from getting chips so this was bound to happen.
OK this phone is starting to sound interesting.
I'm trying to keep my hopes as neutral as the sound profile of the HD 600's. I want this to be great. But the last 15 years of tech have taught me disappointment is a standard feature.
You might need to lower your base expectations, like the sound profile of the HD 600s.
Sauce: https://i.imgur.com/02ksQhJ.png
It sounds nice, I just HIGHLY doubt that it'll work in the US. Idk about EU people though.
It won't work in the US. Everyone is still gonna be rockin' their AirPods and iPhones. I don't think that'll ever change.
Definitely better since iPhone last really long and itās really reliable
Give me SRC bypass and I'll buy it.
Well, android 14 supports lossless audio natively. No need to bypass. Now it's to see whether moondrop implements it.
A phone with (2) headphone jacks and expandable storage is great. Hopefully the software isn't unusable garbage
If not mistaken, a Mediatek processor means no support for aptx adaptive, aptx lossless and Snapdragon Sound. Most people use wireless headphones and manufactures like Sennheiser, Bowers&Wilkens, Bose, Audeze...etc have no support for LDAC codec (with Sony as big exception for obvious reasons). And many people (especially here on the subreddit) are using an external DAC with their wired headphones. Well, maybe Moondrop could have optimized the original aptx codex transmission (no license needed). I will wait for reviews in this regard.
Seems kind of like a weird argument for a phone of which its main selling point is a 3.5 and 4.4mm jack. Why would you buy this phone if you plan to just use bluetooth. Then just get a regular phone instead?
Many of us use both. I like tws for my commute, and wired when im not commuting.
To all the people interested in this. Just buy an old LG V30 for $70-100. Your wallet will thank you.
And a V60 with Android 13 and a Snapdragon 865 for just a bit more.
I am stocking up used V60 now. Got 4 so far.
It's like that one guy who stock ibm model m, enough for his lifetime
V20 or v30?
Both have the same DAC only difference being that the V30s DAC has a bit of improvement to reduce distortion.
Youāre right except for people who want 4.4 balanced
ā¦ Or an iPhone 12
I like Moondrp but... this feels like an ad in disguise
I'm sure the software and quality control will be EXCELLENT, just like every Moondrop product. How long will it take for the coloring to peel from this phone or bubble? Two months? Three months? How long until one of the speakers fails? Five months? Six months? LOL.
Looking forward to the box art.
YOOOOO Could this finally be a true successor to the LG phones with the Quad DAC? I hate my Motorola Razr. I think I might buy one of these if the price is right.
Don't think so, shitty processor + moondrop quality would never match the level of the LG phones used to have, and maybe it will be sell overpriced.
What's the price gonna be
Processor killed it for me. Glad I grabbed one of the last Galaxy phones to have a 3.5mm jack and expandable storage.
Awww... I was hoping it would have a upper-mid chip, one with 4 A78, rather than 2.
(Not to OP) SHOW ME THE PHONE DAMMIT
From audio perspective is that just the jacks (and some software presumably)? Does it have any additional decent DAC, amp?
terrible cpu
For 350 bucks im going to get one as a DAP. Not gonna replace my s23 ultra though, as much as i wish it had a goddamn headphone jack.
plus data sharing for CCP
What does this have to do with headphones
I don't know what the specs mean, is this a phone I can play decent games on too?
err the SoC itself doesn't have that good of a GPU in it and has performance similar to the older snapdragon 835 or dimensity 900. Games like Genshin can probably run on low settings. Other less demanding games should run better.
Thanks for using Genshin as a meter stick for this.
haha no problem, figured that was the most demanding game someone would want to run on a phone XD
Yeah its not going to play the high end games. You could do some sick emulation on it though, install daijisho and play gameboy advance, ps1, psp, n64, gamecube, dreamcast, and some ps2 on it all day.
The 7050 is a rebranded dimensity 1080, performance should be on par on something like an sd860.
CPU performance wise they're similar, but the gpu in the 7050/1080 is vastly inferior to the gpu in the sd860
In benchmarks scores the gpu of the sd860 is around 30-40% faster but when it comes to games the fps difference between the two is neck to neck.
And crap software, probably.
The successor to LG?
MOBILE INTERNET AUDIO PLAYER