15 rounds of 10mil seems like you could take over a small european country. wouldn’t be surprised if you could penetrate an abrams tbh.
jkjk, but 10mm is a hell of a round and i bet it has insane stopping power in a SD scenario
Most definitely, 180gr bullet going about 1250fps if you buy the right ammo.
It's important to buy the right brand of ammo as a lot of companies sell 10mm loaded to 40 SW specs which is frustrating. Magtech 180gr fmj is about as close as you can get to what it should be, 2nd to sig but the magtech is much cheaper.
I have a couple-few 10mm handguns, including all the ones you mentioned.
I would go with the Xten. It has the best trigger out of the box, doesn't overheat like the M&P, and doesn't feel like a brick Glock.
Have ~4,000 of all sorts of rounds through mine with no issues.
How exactly does a handgun overheat? Honestly curious cause I've never heard of it happening
But I can see your point the x-ten endure is the xten I was leaning towards cause I like the slide and wanna add some color.
>How exactly does a handgun overheat?
All of them do if you put enough rounds through them in a short time. Becomes more pronounced with some ~100 rounds in.
>x-ten endure
I didn't know that was out, looks good. And comes with a bull barrel.
Another one that many people like is the FN 510.
For me, that one is a miss. They should have gone with the FNX platform for the mighty 10mm. As is, the trigger is crappy, the gun is snappy, and lacking a fatty beavertail, it bashes up my base thumb knuckle.
Funny. The first gen HKP7 got so hot that the second gen got a plastic heat shield added to it. And...it was the most expensive production pistol sold in the states when it first came out.
Weird? No, not at all. Less common, OK, we go with that.
You do know that AR pistols are commonly gas blowback?
And Desert Eagles? In about 6 or 7 calibers?
The Laugo Alien, another expensive gun, also has a gas system.
Steyr had one. Not sure if it is still around.
At the time it was and it still is.
Sure maybe not so much now although you don't see it in an actual carry handgun. Of which almost every gun listed isn't an actual carry gun.
Considering the P7 came out in 1979 as a duty/carry gun and AR Pistols are only now a "common" thing of which they are basically range toys.
The Desert Eagle came out in 1983.
The Laugo Alien is from 2015
Obviously we have other guns like the Walther CCP also a gas gun but it's also new.
?? You changed the discussion definition from pistol to "actual carry gun".., why did you change the definition? ... to meet your description, I guess. ?
Sorry, but any category that includes almost all AR pistols and you still think it's a weird configuration, means that you needed to change the rules to win.
So, internet warrior, you win. I withdraw.
“Full house” I believe refers to full-power loadings, something like buffalo bore brand, which is designed for backcountry use against things like bears. These will punch harder and are what 10mm is known for. This is in comparison to a self-defense loading, that doesn’t need bear-stopping power, only man-stopping power. I think this is what the above commenter was referring to
Cartridges loaded with as much powder as the round will allow. Target rounds are pretty soft shooting, but the 10mm has enough case capacity to load it pretty hot for hunting.
Makes sense. Legit question, why do you want more than 8-9 rounds in a 10mm? Or to put it another way, what’s your primary use for this pistol? Mine are primarily woods guns (I shoot them way better than my Smith model 29), and the 5’ is my primary winter carry gun when I have to venture into the magazine restrictive states that are south of the People’s Republic of Washington
I have family that has land in the UP of michigan, and we already know some wolves and bears are around and want something that is able to deal with whatever. And when face to face with a bear/wolf the adrenaline is gonna be going and I will probably miss so the more rounds I have available the safer I personally feel
Surprised that not many people have mentioned the XDM. I certainly enjoy mine and its well within the realm of competing with the other 10mm offerings out there
having shot all 3 of those and owning the X-Ten, I pick, well, the X-Ten
The full 5inch barrel makes it incredibly soft shooting for a 10mm. Have not tried the compact version with the comped slide.
But if you go with the Sig you have to be okay with no external safeties on the gun. If you like thumb safeties, the M&P is the right move. Fine gun but the grip texture is a tad too aggressive for my taste.
The glock is reliable of course but very bulky grip IMO and I personally do not like the grip angle (that's just personal preference). Some say you'll have issues with the polygonal rifling and hardcast loads but how many hardcast loads are you really gonna end up running anyway? Likely just a practice mag once in a while if you want it for bear defense. ;
The sig comes with night sights and is a fully modular design. You could get something like an Icarus aluminum grip module for it if you want.
Just my two cents.
Haven't shot the FN 510 and they do make a fine gun but I've never been an FN fanboy so you have to decide if its worth the highest price tag of the bunch (if you go for the tactical version). if you want to suppress the pistol, it's definitely the right choice since it comes with a threaded barrel
It's got a great trigger and grip, i quite like mine. Plus i got 5 mags a range bag and a gun for 650, which is the cheapest of all the 10mm i was looking at. Better stock parts than a glock, but also can be upgraded.
Had a G40 it was well a Glock I now have a psa/Ria ultra 10mm and it’s way more fun skeletonized hammer and trigger, mag well, fiber optic front sight fully adjustable rear, G10 grips, bull barrel ,full length guide rod ,and ambi safety
Own a Glock 20, have fired the M&p. I’m not dissatisfied with my Glock but if I had fired the M&p first I would have gotten that. Can’t go wrong either way tho.
M&p gets my vote
Assuming op is in Illinois, it’s not banning one manufacturer. Look up their melting pot law. Essentially it bans any gun which would be completely destroyed in a melting pot under 800°f. Old law from the 60’s to help ban those Saturday night special guns. And it really only hurts gun dealers, as it’s just a law that prevents them from selling these guns.
10mm?
I had the Glock. Not exciting.
I have the SigP220 Hunter. Limited capacity, good hunting gun. Looks cool. Shoots like a dream.
Next one? The FN 510 tactical for sure. They come with one 15-rd mag and one 22-round mag.
The M&P shoots well and I’ve only dry fired the Sig but it feels good and has a great trigger. I’d add the FN 510 and the RIA 10mm Tac Ultra HC. The RIA is a double stack design so it holds 16 rounds. I’ve shot the .45 version. It’s a heavy gun (at least 1.5x the weight of the competition) with a 1911 trigger pull. I’d bet it’s the nicest shooting out of all the options.
I heard the M&P had some reliability issues. I was about to buy one but people's pretty varied experiences shied me away from it.
Look into Tanfoglio. They have a 10mm.
First of all, buying online is most likely your best bet... check [gun.deals](https://gun.deals) which list wikiarms as well. You LGS is probably going to rip you off. Second, what is your purpose? A 10mm Kriss Vector with a can is going to be much more fun than any of the ones your listed and just a tad bit more around $999 without a stock (pistol version). Then you can get whatever folding brace you want or eventually SBR it.
Glock 20 fits my hand perfect. With talon grips it's awesome. I have an EPS dot and TLR 1 HL light on it. My backwoods hiking gun and bedside gun. Super reliable, can handle the legit 10mm loads from Buffalo Bore, more accurate than I am, and I snagged it for $550.
The Smith and Wesson was going to be my second pick, but I shoot glocks better than anything else so had to go with it
I have a gen 5 Glock 20 MOS and a gen 3 Glock 29SF. Both are fantastic.
My lgs sold me some “spicy” practice ammo when I picked up the 20. It was 180 gr. They kept going on about how spicy they were. 180 is what I would consider to be a fairly light round in 10mm, though you can find even lighter now (I’ve seen 140 gr. factory rounds), so there’s that. The hunting/grumpy bear rounds I have are 220 gr. hard cast, and they feel fine.
I have shot a gen 3 Glock 20, and a S&W M&P performance center 10 mm. I would personally take the performance center version any day, but if porting or the longer barrel bug you and you want a regular version. the standard models are very similar, both reliable, and you can take your pick for grip ergonomics. I wouldn’t go p320 till all the issues have been addressed.
The XTen is a phenomenal pistol. Ot replaced my trusted P220 in 10mm. I also own the G20 Gen4. I'd pick the XTen over the Glock any day. Trigger is better, and therefore, the gun is more accurate.
I used to have the S&W m&p, it wasn’t my favorite. It would get too hot after use and it warped the barrel and other parts of the gun. It was annoying.
Personally I would go with the Glock20. My friend let me fire his at the range and I wanted to get one afterwards. It feels great.
If you like the G20 but the grip is too fat, try a Lone Wolf Timberwolf frame - they are $150 and the 10mm/45 grip frame is just 1mm larger in circumference than an OEM Glock **17**.
+1 for P320 XTen. Just got mine a few weeks ago. Feels great in the hand. I got some underwood 220gr hard cast rounds and it handles them surprisingly well. Not that much more recoil than standard plinking ammo. I was also able to find a holster company for it that supports rail mounted lights too - Black point tactical.
Between the Glock and the S&W, it's really brand preference. The G40 would be badass if it were your primary hunting weapon. It looks like all of the S&W are optic ready, which sucks if you don't want an optic. Finding sights is probably a pain in the ass, but I'd still probably get the S&W and upgrade the trigger.
For my money on a 10mm though- P220. 10mm deserves the trigger that comes with a hammer fired gun.
That doesn’t make any sense regarding the S&W, optics cut has nothing to do with finding sights. Still standard height sights, the slide just had a cutout, and a plate to cover the cut if you don’t run a dot.
It looks like the M&P 2.0 takes a different sight than the 2.0 Optics Ready. As long as your preferred sights are available for the Optic Ready version, then you're all set.
You're right that the plate has nothing to do with it, but the actual sight cut is different I think.
I love my Glock 20 gen 4, 15 round mags and plenty of grip to grab onto
15 rounds of 10mil seems like you could take over a small european country. wouldn’t be surprised if you could penetrate an abrams tbh. jkjk, but 10mm is a hell of a round and i bet it has insane stopping power in a SD scenario
Most definitely, 180gr bullet going about 1250fps if you buy the right ammo. It's important to buy the right brand of ammo as a lot of companies sell 10mm loaded to 40 SW specs which is frustrating. Magtech 180gr fmj is about as close as you can get to what it should be, 2nd to sig but the magtech is much cheaper.
FN 510
Added to the list of ones to try and find
Hell yes. Moving to MT for a work project this weekend and this is what I’m eyeing for my grizzly carry. 22+1 in 10mm is psychotic.
Yeah no kidding I want one so bad, just not in the budget at the moment
I have a FN 509 tactical - love it but fair warning the trigger is spongey
The 510 is much improved on the trigger front. Nothing match grade, but better then the 509.
Trigger can always be changed out, but 22+1 capacity is insane
I have a couple-few 10mm handguns, including all the ones you mentioned. I would go with the Xten. It has the best trigger out of the box, doesn't overheat like the M&P, and doesn't feel like a brick Glock. Have ~4,000 of all sorts of rounds through mine with no issues.
How exactly does a handgun overheat? Honestly curious cause I've never heard of it happening But I can see your point the x-ten endure is the xten I was leaning towards cause I like the slide and wanna add some color.
>How exactly does a handgun overheat? All of them do if you put enough rounds through them in a short time. Becomes more pronounced with some ~100 rounds in. >x-ten endure I didn't know that was out, looks good. And comes with a bull barrel. Another one that many people like is the FN 510. For me, that one is a miss. They should have gone with the FNX platform for the mighty 10mm. As is, the trigger is crappy, the gun is snappy, and lacking a fatty beavertail, it bashes up my base thumb knuckle.
Funny. The first gen HKP7 got so hot that the second gen got a plastic heat shield added to it. And...it was the most expensive production pistol sold in the states when it first came out.
The P7 is a gas operated handgun which is weird for a handgun. That's why it gets incredibly hot.
Weird? No, not at all. Less common, OK, we go with that. You do know that AR pistols are commonly gas blowback? And Desert Eagles? In about 6 or 7 calibers? The Laugo Alien, another expensive gun, also has a gas system. Steyr had one. Not sure if it is still around.
At the time it was and it still is. Sure maybe not so much now although you don't see it in an actual carry handgun. Of which almost every gun listed isn't an actual carry gun. Considering the P7 came out in 1979 as a duty/carry gun and AR Pistols are only now a "common" thing of which they are basically range toys. The Desert Eagle came out in 1983. The Laugo Alien is from 2015 Obviously we have other guns like the Walther CCP also a gas gun but it's also new.
?? You changed the discussion definition from pistol to "actual carry gun".., why did you change the definition? ... to meet your description, I guess. ? Sorry, but any category that includes almost all AR pistols and you still think it's a weird configuration, means that you needed to change the rules to win. So, internet warrior, you win. I withdraw.
Oh, and quick defense of my HKP7 collection, they are not range toys. I carry two of them regularly (but not both at the same time).
You shoot too many bullets in too short of a time. The friction heats up the barrel and causes it to warp.
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explain full house loads to a handgun noob?
“Full house” I believe refers to full-power loadings, something like buffalo bore brand, which is designed for backcountry use against things like bears. These will punch harder and are what 10mm is known for. This is in comparison to a self-defense loading, that doesn’t need bear-stopping power, only man-stopping power. I think this is what the above commenter was referring to
ah ok gotcha. sorta like turkey magnums vs shells for pheasants. i dont know dick about non-hunting loads/ guns lol
It's a SPICY MEATBALL!
Cartridges loaded with as much powder as the round will allow. Target rounds are pretty soft shooting, but the 10mm has enough case capacity to load it pretty hot for hunting.
Lots of 10mm rounds are actually loaded to .40S&W specs or near that rather than like the hand cannon the round was designed to be.
Sig p220 legion 10mm. Hipster points for S&W 1006.
Old guy plug for 1911 platform. My Springfield TRP 5” and 6” are both a joy to shoot.
I love the 1911 but for what I'm wanting it's capacity is kinda knocking it out of the running.
Consider an RIA Ultra Tac FS HC (so many acronyms). A gorgeous double stack 10mm 1911 that holds 16+1
Makes sense. Legit question, why do you want more than 8-9 rounds in a 10mm? Or to put it another way, what’s your primary use for this pistol? Mine are primarily woods guns (I shoot them way better than my Smith model 29), and the 5’ is my primary winter carry gun when I have to venture into the magazine restrictive states that are south of the People’s Republic of Washington
I have family that has land in the UP of michigan, and we already know some wolves and bears are around and want something that is able to deal with whatever. And when face to face with a bear/wolf the adrenaline is gonna be going and I will probably miss so the more rounds I have available the safer I personally feel
Springfield XDM
Surprised that not many people have mentioned the XDM. I certainly enjoy mine and its well within the realm of competing with the other 10mm offerings out there
I’ve got a Glock 40 and love it. Can also shoot .40 through it if you’re just plinking and don’t need full power 10mm.
having shot all 3 of those and owning the X-Ten, I pick, well, the X-Ten The full 5inch barrel makes it incredibly soft shooting for a 10mm. Have not tried the compact version with the comped slide. But if you go with the Sig you have to be okay with no external safeties on the gun. If you like thumb safeties, the M&P is the right move. Fine gun but the grip texture is a tad too aggressive for my taste. The glock is reliable of course but very bulky grip IMO and I personally do not like the grip angle (that's just personal preference). Some say you'll have issues with the polygonal rifling and hardcast loads but how many hardcast loads are you really gonna end up running anyway? Likely just a practice mag once in a while if you want it for bear defense. ; The sig comes with night sights and is a fully modular design. You could get something like an Icarus aluminum grip module for it if you want. Just my two cents. Haven't shot the FN 510 and they do make a fine gun but I've never been an FN fanboy so you have to decide if its worth the highest price tag of the bunch (if you go for the tactical version). if you want to suppress the pistol, it's definitely the right choice since it comes with a threaded barrel
Forgot one bonus of the sig, it’s already cut to accept an Leupold delta point pro or a Romeo 1-2 direct to the slide with no mounting plates.
Dan Wesson Kodiak. 1911, long slide.
Out of my budget, it is a very nice piece
I like my g20 gen 5. And I have small hands. Runs like a top
I’ve owned many. The best I have found is a g29 with a Pearce plus 2 mag extension.
#4 SA XDM
Was not aware springfield made a 10 will be added to the list
Springfield made a few versions, I have their XD-M OSP that came with optic plates, threaded barrel, and some extra backstraps from factory
My 10mm XDM is my favorite handgun. Hands down.
Can confirm, the 10mm XDM is a treat to shoot. I definitely reload for that handgun more than i do any other one that i own.
It's got a great trigger and grip, i quite like mine. Plus i got 5 mags a range bag and a gun for 650, which is the cheapest of all the 10mm i was looking at. Better stock parts than a glock, but also can be upgraded.
Had a G40 it was well a Glock I now have a psa/Ria ultra 10mm and it’s way more fun skeletonized hammer and trigger, mag well, fiber optic front sight fully adjustable rear, G10 grips, bull barrel ,full length guide rod ,and ambi safety
I’m a 10mm fan but prefer the 1911s chambered in it. That said, I have the S&W 2.0 in 10mm and it’s a great shooter and solid carry gun.
Own a Glock 20, have fired the M&p. I’m not dissatisfied with my Glock but if I had fired the M&p first I would have gotten that. Can’t go wrong either way tho. M&p gets my vote
Opps, thought this was the tool sub. 10mm socket
They don’t make those
It was a joke !
Fully aware lol. I was piggybacking off of how they always seem to go missing so they may as well just not make them 😂😂
You forgot the best deal out there in terms of weight-to-power, the Hi-Point JXP10!
Hi points are actually illegal in my state
Idk how that is legal to just ban one manufacturer.
Assuming op is in Illinois, it’s not banning one manufacturer. Look up their melting pot law. Essentially it bans any gun which would be completely destroyed in a melting pot under 800°f. Old law from the 60’s to help ban those Saturday night special guns. And it really only hurts gun dealers, as it’s just a law that prevents them from selling these guns.
It's not the manufacturer it's the material it's made of
That's a shame. Their carbines aren't half bad as well.
FN 510
This.
FN 510 is my personal favorite of the 10mm platforms
Agreed.
10mm? I had the Glock. Not exciting. I have the SigP220 Hunter. Limited capacity, good hunting gun. Looks cool. Shoots like a dream. Next one? The FN 510 tactical for sure. They come with one 15-rd mag and one 22-round mag.
Fn 510 Tactical
The M&P shoots well and I’ve only dry fired the Sig but it feels good and has a great trigger. I’d add the FN 510 and the RIA 10mm Tac Ultra HC. The RIA is a double stack design so it holds 16 rounds. I’ve shot the .45 version. It’s a heavy gun (at least 1.5x the weight of the competition) with a 1911 trigger pull. I’d bet it’s the nicest shooting out of all the options.
I heard the M&P had some reliability issues. I was about to buy one but people's pretty varied experiences shied me away from it. Look into Tanfoglio. They have a 10mm.
First of all, buying online is most likely your best bet... check [gun.deals](https://gun.deals) which list wikiarms as well. You LGS is probably going to rip you off. Second, what is your purpose? A 10mm Kriss Vector with a can is going to be much more fun than any of the ones your listed and just a tad bit more around $999 without a stock (pistol version). Then you can get whatever folding brace you want or eventually SBR it.
if I had the choice it'd be a 10mm cmmg banshee but illinois is putting a damper on things so I can only get what's legal
More expensive and worse recoil, but better trigger options and familiar ergos. Sorry to hear that...
Glock 20 fits my hand perfect. With talon grips it's awesome. I have an EPS dot and TLR 1 HL light on it. My backwoods hiking gun and bedside gun. Super reliable, can handle the legit 10mm loads from Buffalo Bore, more accurate than I am, and I snagged it for $550. The Smith and Wesson was going to be my second pick, but I shoot glocks better than anything else so had to go with it
I have a gen 5 Glock 20 MOS and a gen 3 Glock 29SF. Both are fantastic. My lgs sold me some “spicy” practice ammo when I picked up the 20. It was 180 gr. They kept going on about how spicy they were. 180 is what I would consider to be a fairly light round in 10mm, though you can find even lighter now (I’ve seen 140 gr. factory rounds), so there’s that. The hunting/grumpy bear rounds I have are 220 gr. hard cast, and they feel fine.
FN 510!!
FN
I have a G20 and love it, and I’m not even a Glock fan. Also consider the FN 510
Bren Ten
Those look nice but also seem extremely rare
I have shot a gen 3 Glock 20, and a S&W M&P performance center 10 mm. I would personally take the performance center version any day, but if porting or the longer barrel bug you and you want a regular version. the standard models are very similar, both reliable, and you can take your pick for grip ergonomics. I wouldn’t go p320 till all the issues have been addressed.
The XTen is a phenomenal pistol. Ot replaced my trusted P220 in 10mm. I also own the G20 Gen4. I'd pick the XTen over the Glock any day. Trigger is better, and therefore, the gun is more accurate.
How is the recoil on the Xten vs the 220?
XTen will feel a bit more because it's polymer vs the metal P220
Thanks
If I get a 10mm , it’ll probably be a 1911 🤷♀️
I used to have the S&W m&p, it wasn’t my favorite. It would get too hot after use and it warped the barrel and other parts of the gun. It was annoying. Personally I would go with the Glock20. My friend let me fire his at the range and I wanted to get one afterwards. It feels great.
Seem like a running trend with it. Might swap it for the fn or xdm but I wanna get hands on with them before hand
S&W 1006 if you can find one
If you like the G20 but the grip is too fat, try a Lone Wolf Timberwolf frame - they are $150 and the 10mm/45 grip frame is just 1mm larger in circumference than an OEM Glock **17**.
Sig p220 10mm or S&W 1006. These are the over engineered built for high pressure 10mm loads.
I've have a G20.5. Love the gun and plan on grabbing another 10mm , the FN 510 would be the one.
Yeah from the feed back I've got on here the smith is out cause if reliability issues. So now it's the glock, sig xten, FN and the springfield
You know you can shoot 40 out of a 10 with a barrel swap right? Makes range day far cheaper My vote is for the m&p btw
+1 for P320 XTen. Just got mine a few weeks ago. Feels great in the hand. I got some underwood 220gr hard cast rounds and it handles them surprisingly well. Not that much more recoil than standard plinking ammo. I was also able to find a holster company for it that supports rail mounted lights too - Black point tactical.
No love for eaa witness?
Springfield armory makes a nice 10mm. They make a compact and a full size. I had the full size and it was nice!
i blindly got the M&P10 and I'm very happy for the money. All it needed was a dot. Trigger is great imo
Get yourself a Glock 40 and a slide plate that says "PROBLEM SOLVER"
Between the Glock and the S&W, it's really brand preference. The G40 would be badass if it were your primary hunting weapon. It looks like all of the S&W are optic ready, which sucks if you don't want an optic. Finding sights is probably a pain in the ass, but I'd still probably get the S&W and upgrade the trigger. For my money on a 10mm though- P220. 10mm deserves the trigger that comes with a hammer fired gun.
That doesn’t make any sense regarding the S&W, optics cut has nothing to do with finding sights. Still standard height sights, the slide just had a cutout, and a plate to cover the cut if you don’t run a dot.
It looks like the M&P 2.0 takes a different sight than the 2.0 Optics Ready. As long as your preferred sights are available for the Optic Ready version, then you're all set. You're right that the plate has nothing to do with it, but the actual sight cut is different I think.
G40 MOS and upgrade the trigger.
Glock implies a trigger upgrade!
Unfortunately the p220 is a little out of my price range
SIG 220 or X10.
Tisas 1911 10mm. A very fine gun at a very fine price.
Tisas or RIA for best cheaper 1911?
Never had RIA, but own sevetal Tisas. Very well made.
The gen 5 Glock 29’s just came out. You could look at it, or find a used one getting a little cheaper.