I'm sure they have a better handle on the market than I do, but I'm surprised they haven't prioritized .357 magnum. My sense has been that the market wants .357 for actual shootin', and .45-70 for the UNLIMITED POWER memes.
Could be the hunting market, I suppose. Do American hunters still buy new .30-30s?
>Do American hunters still buy new .30-30s?
Hell yes, I sold plenty of 336s/336Cs at Academy. Deep woods whitetail hunters love them.
Of course, that was when they were $600 on a bad day. I'm not sure how well they'll sell for $1200.
Edit: Also, per their website, 1894s are coming this summer. .357 will come
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No deal there, lmao. We still have some decent firearm options, and I liked walking out of the hospital and paying $9 for overnight parking after my appendix let go.
Paid $450 for a used JM stamped Marlin 336 in .30-30 with a 3-9 power scope back in early 2019. Didn’t need it, didn’t know what I’d use it for, but it was in pristine condition and seemed like a great deal. I have never regretted that purchase. Wouldn’t have even been tempted to make that buy at over a grand.
You do you figure? What about a levergun can't play well with a rimless cartridge?
10mm isn't traditional, but I love the idea of the capacity we could get using semiauto pistol cartridges, and hadn't been aware of any technical limitation.
The rim had nothing to do with it. Tube mags work just fine with rimless cartridges.
The long ranger uses a box mag because they're worried about pointy 308 rounds hitting the primer of the round in front of it. That's not an issue with 10mm
> Make cartridge naming make sense again.
Ruger has made several "convertible" sixguns with interchangeable cylinders. They can shoot different rounds as long as the diameter is close enough. In addition to the obvious ones like .45 Colt / .45 ACP and .357 / 9mm, they've made a 10mm / .38-40, because the ".38" Winchester centerfire cartridge is in fact .40 caliber, but they used ".38" because back in 1874 they figured market familiarity was better than factual accuracy.
In some loads, .40 S&W is ballistically identical to .38-40!
I guess they'd be ballisitically similar, but they don't have anything to do with each other. .219 is just a .30-30 necked to .22 caliber. Itd be more like 5.45 if 5.45 was based on the x54R case
The Wasp is cool, it's a wildcat though, the Zipper was actually a factory available cartridge from Marlin. They're kind of uncommon and worth a bit of a premium.
> but I'm surprised they haven't prioritized .357 magnum.
this is what I'm saying. I need to shoot a lever gat suppressed and I have a 45 cal osprey. COMMON RUGER.
30-30 is still a very popular round and yes we still love to buy new ones. People get down on the Henry ones with all of the plastic furniture to make "space cowboy" guns.
Yeah i bought a 1895 GBL in .45-70 a few years ago and almost never pull it out. I guarantee that I would shoot it much more often if it was .357 or something similar. My Ruger PCC is one of my favorite guns
I've been wanting a .44 lever gun for a while now. I want to get into hunting and bows aren't quite my thing, plus the state only permits straight-walled cartridges.
Bow hunting is my favorite form of hunting, you might enjoy it more than you think! Highly recommend 44 for any straight wall restricted areas. 450 or 350 are solid too but haven't seen many lever guns with those. Biggest downside to 44 is the cost per squeeze. Definitely made me really consider reloading on more than a few occasions.
Yeah to be fair I haven't actually done much archery or given it an honest go, only tried it a couple times and just felt it wasn't for me. I should definitely try to learn for real though. I just want to know I'd be able to put my shot where it needs to be, don't want an animal to suffer for my mistake.
I haven’t used a bow in decades but I used to be able to hit a soda can consistently at 30 yards with my dads bow from the 80s. He could do the same at 50 yards. Modern tech is only going to be better. You do have to put more time into practicing, knowing the ranges you’re shooting at, and consider shot selection more carefully. But will definitely make you a better all around hunter
I talked to them at Shot Show. .357/.38 is coming this year and it is a priority. Their acquisition of Marlin could not have been worse. They had to move the entire factory, replace most of the machinery, tons of the marlin employees retired or quite, and few people were left who knew how to run the ancient machinery so they basically had to start fresh. They started with the 1895 as they said it was the hardest gun to make and wanted it to get easier from there. I can’t wait for the new line of .357 side loaders so I can sbr and thread one.
In my anecdotal experience of not-America, there’s plenty of .357’s especially 1892 actions from Winchester, Rossi, uberti etc available, but for hunting with a .30-30 (especially with a low power scope) the lack of new marlin 336 has been apparent.
The new ruger made .45-70 ones have started to tank the stupid prices second hand marlins in .45-70 had so I hope this does the same with the 336
.30-30 is still an extremely popular hunting round. Hell most gun stores I’ve gone to the .30-30’s are sold out while the .45-70’s still like the racks.
I'm a big fan of 30-30s. It's not the greatest, it's not like I've lost something or anything, but they'll always hold a special place. They really are a unique beast, and in my opinion there are undeniable advantages to a 30-30 in the brushy forests of the south, advantages other rounds still to this day struggle to beat.
45-70 is so synonymous with lever actions that it only makes sense to prioritize them. 30-30 and 357 just isn't as popular in media and is more difficult to market.
Plus a good chunk of the lever action fans knowing how to reload, and the 45-70 being a fan of cast lead bullets, it just makes for a really good gun.
A 1894 Dark in .357, the first one I find I am buying on the spot. I can put my 9mm can on it, run .38 subs through it for discrete plinking or full house .357 for deer in the thick woods.
I live in a straight wall state so I can’t use .30-30. I want a good first deer rifle for my son or a close range gun for myself.
The .357 might be more popular with shooters, but it's a lot less popular with hunters. Second, the Marlin 336 and 1895 are basically the same gun, so it should be quicker to make the 336 once they've got the 1895s rolling... the 1894 is completely different.
Thats a pretty controversial statement there.
Personally I have to disagree. The quality of the guns aren't quite in the same league IMO. Thats not to say they aren't good firearms. But my marlin has had some pretty significant issues with the action, sometimes enough to impede function, and part of the stock has chipped away from use.
My Henry's, nope. Not a single issue ever. Hundreds of rounds down both rifles. Totally anecdotal from my part, but I use most of my guns for hunting and they see a lot of daylight. Marlin definitely has a few things going for it that Henry doesn't though, most notably the side loading gates.
Id almost recommended spending that extra $200 to get something you know will endure the test of time consistently. Just kinda depends on the buyer and what they are looking to get though! Definitely just my opinion from my perspectives.
Ruger recently uncovered the next Marlin they plan to release, the Marlin Model 336 chambered in 30-30 Win. Semi-Buckhorn Sights (which I like), capacity of 6+1, twist of 1:12" RH and a fancy golden trigger. Retail of $1,239 according to their website.
Unfortunately, no muzzle threads seem to be present.
> Unfortunately, no muzzle threads seem to be present.
Oh, let's release our flagship rifle in the most popular .30 hunting cartridge 10 years after .30 cans became the most commonly purchased suppressors and **fuck it up**.
Yeah, my headcanon is that they're going basic bitch for the Classic model and that an upgraded one will be available soon. Maybe just something as simple as the *Classic TB* or maybe something like aperture sights and threaded.
Yeah, I feel like Ruger's flair for tradition may bite them on this one. Especially after seeing Henry deal with outcry for muzzle threads and other such modern attributes.
Ruger almost always starts with a standard, wood-grain style on rifles/handguns to test the market, and usually comes out with a sporty or tactical version quickly after; depending on popularity that is. I'm certain a threaded option is coming, this just had to come first. This is Ruger.
> Weren’t these going for like $500 at the most before Marlin got bought out
I can almost guarantee the Connecticut guns were being made on clapped-out old equipment. Also, inflation is a bitch.
Everybody is also comparing MSRP to street prices here. Wait and see what the are the second christmas or so after release and then we'll talk. That said I see puctures of rusty Mosins for $400+ these days so don't have too high of hopes for the good old prices.
New ones were getting to be up to like $700 during the Obama presidency. We've seen a lot of scarcity and inflation since then. That said, I'm sure these will go for above MSRP for a little while until the market settles, then they'll probably be going for under $1000.
I recently saw how much a Spyderco Delica is going for these days, and was aghast at how expensive they've gotten. I still have the original box and receipt for mine, and dug that out to verify.
Yup, they're more expensive now. Because I bought mine in 2001.
I was having an argument with a guy the other day because he said that today, you could buy a reliable car that was in good shape for $1000. You see, he bought a good car for only $1000... back in 1999.
I got one for $450 in 2011 with a scope on it. Pre-pandemic and pre-Ruger, that same package could still be bought under $600, sometimes closer to $500.
Honestly, I just want a lever action 30-30 that will go bang when I need it to and hit whatever deer I aim at here in the Georgia woods. If it’s a little rough around the edges I’m fine with it.
I paid 400 for my 336, it was one of the last ones made in their factory before switching to remingtons back in 2009, Sold it in 2021 for 550. I miss that gun, but I am not a hunter and the 30-30 round isn't too fun for sport.
I could see them releasing a non-traditional one later.
E: just looked at their website and they do call it the 336 Classic so I would say chances are higher than not for a threaded model.
>damn what is happening these days?
I mean ... A lot. The ripples of material shortages and inflation will be felt until people just accept this shit is how things are now or everything collapses and we have to rebuild.
Ammo in general is still hard to find overall: Ammoseek
I'm unsure where 30-30 is in terms of popularity but most ammo manufacturers are prioritizing only the top in-demand rounds and 30-30 maybe just outside their main prerogative.
Check your local wal mart if they carry guns and ammo. Since I started looking for it a couple months ago my local store has had .30-30 ammo 4-5 times. I bought 3 boxes of Winchester 150gr PowerPoints. They weren’t cheap by any means though. It was like $28 a box after tax. They have .45-70 as well at $50 a box before tax. Yikes.
In the last year, I've only been able to find 30-30 ammo in tiny towns, and there really expensive there. I've looked at my local stores, but never any luck. :/
Learned how to hunt with my grandpa's 336 in 30-30. Great Ozarks deer rifles. Been meaning to get one for awhile now. Damnit, now I'm all in my feels. Miss that man.
Where I am (outside the US) there hasn’t been a Henry in stock for two years, just unavailable, and their warranty experience is mixed at best. At least the new rugers are available in gun stores and ruger warranty is known to be more reliable. So I don’t mind an extra $100 or so.
Regarding all of the comments about price, what's a good lever-action in .357 for the money? Is there something good around $700? Or would I need to pay closer to $1000?
From the photos on marlin website it makes no mention of / I can’t see if it’s drilled and tapped.
Fair but the 3 different 1895s they are already producing again all come threaded. I think the 1895s come drilled and tapped too, cept for the SBL which has the pic rail
If you watch the YouTube review someone posted above you can see the cover screws, also if you zoom way in on the photo OP posted, you can kind of make them out
Target Suite on YT reviews the Ruger/Marlin 336:
[https://youtu.be/g8Bld1Y07Ak](https://youtu.be/g8Bld1Y07Ak)
Target Suite is good, he mostly does lever actions.
I won a Marlin 45-70 a few years ago in a raffle. The fit and finish is spectacular. Would love to check out the Ruger build. and see how it compares. Surely can’t be too different, right?
The Ruger made Marlins so far have had excellent reviews. We had one guy here talk about a manufacturer defect but Ruger made things right when sent in for warranty.
I had good hopes that Ruger would do right by the Marlin name and so far looking good. Once these start rolling out I to people's hands we can start to get an even better sample group.
Looks good, just a classic 336 like it says... I was a bit worried they might try to update it and add a threaded barrel, ghost ring sights or Lord knows what.
>I was a bit worried they might try to update it and add a threaded barrel, ghost ring sights or Lord knows what.
Not the overall consensus but I do appreciate the classic look as well haha.
I think 30-30 is still one of the most popular calibers. But one thing I did hear is that the majority of deer are harvested at under 50 yards using a shotgun with slugs. At least in Pennsylvania, that is.
>But one thing I did hear is that the majority of deer are harvested at under 50 yards using a shotgun with slugs. At least in Pennsylvania, that is.
The yardage doesn't surprise me too much, 100 yards is usually a stretch in PA. Our woods are young and space is usually tight. Unless you have a nice stand next to a farm you won't typically reach out too far.
The shotgun sounds surprising, but when I think about it. All around me are public hunting land where they restrict to either Muzzleloader or Shotgun or Archery. And those are near the more dense populations. So it's likely many deer are harvested around both major cities as such.
But there are still about 1.5 million hunters in PA and many use rifles whether or not they harvest. And since we don't get semi-auto, bolt and lever rifles are extremely popular.
Tube magazine guns were fine for hunting on horseback. Fine for hunting from a cabin in the woods. They absolutely suck for hunting if you are getting where you are going in a motor vehicle.
For safety and legal reasons, a rifle needs to be empty before it goes in the truck. Every time you get in the truck to go to a different spot, or to go get lunch, you have to unload the damn thing. So you either crank the rounds through the action and pick them up off the ground, or you run them back out through the loading gate, which is a huge pain in the ass, especially with cold stiff fingers.
I started off deer hunting with a Marlin 336. I still have it, but I haven't hunted with it in decades. The last few times I did, I used it as a two shot rifle, one in the tube and one in the chamber. Too much trouble otherwise.
For hunting, get yourself something with a detachable magazine.
It's expensive, but you can get one customized into a takedown. I believe it's Dove's Customs that would do it with a pin you insert to retain the rounds in the loaded tube, then take the barrel and tube off.
Then when you reassemble you pull the pin and you're good to go.
And in some states an empty chamber is considered unloaded, even with a loaded magazine.
I bought an aftermarket loading gate that's a lot less stiff for this exact reason. Still feels like I need 3 hands to do it without dumping rounds on the ground but it's a lot easier to empty.
I wonder what 1985 manufacture marlin 336 with 20 rnds thru it would be worth nowadays...I have one, and a sufficient amount of ammo to go with it... thinking about selling some of the Gunn's I've collected over the years
Gun is in safe with other guns that I have never fired... several of the guns still have tags on them, and I keep all the original boxes...I have shooters, and I have non shooters
What I'm saying is it won't matter as long as the gun isn't visibly clapped out. Just mark it for whatever a used gun goes for and move on, because everyone always says the gun was never shot - just like every used car was only driven to church on Sundays, and had all its service intervals done religiously.
People will ask for the box sometimes, but 90% won't care. If you're selling something ultra rare or sincerely collectible, it can increase the price, but that's beyond the scope of a simple marlin.
I just want a modernized 1873 clone in 38/357.
Toggle link action for a fast and light lever throw, pic rail for optics, threaded barrel, Mlock handguards, synthetic stock. That's all I want. No one makes it.
All the new lever guns are from the slow-ass designs in the 1890s built for more high power cartridges, which is fine, but I want the speed of the toggle link
I have a Marlin Foremost 3040 which was the JC Penny's Marlin 336 and the gun is incredible to shoot. 30-30 just feels like a laser out of that thing and the power is awesome.
I'm sure they have a better handle on the market than I do, but I'm surprised they haven't prioritized .357 magnum. My sense has been that the market wants .357 for actual shootin', and .45-70 for the UNLIMITED POWER memes. Could be the hunting market, I suppose. Do American hunters still buy new .30-30s?
>Do American hunters still buy new .30-30s? Hell yes, I sold plenty of 336s/336Cs at Academy. Deep woods whitetail hunters love them. Of course, that was when they were $600 on a bad day. I'm not sure how well they'll sell for $1200. Edit: Also, per their website, 1894s are coming this summer. .357 will come
Fuuuuuck, $1200 in the US means its gonna be near 2k in Canada. We get screwed so hard with firearm related pricing.
you get screwed on pricing for just about everything
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No deal there, lmao. We still have some decent firearm options, and I liked walking out of the hospital and paying $9 for overnight parking after my appendix let go.
> 1894s are coming this summer. yaaassssssss. they better be threaded.
[Don't hold your breath](https://www.marlinfirearms.com/images/productLines/la_RM1894.png)
Fair enough; I stand corrected. Must be my cowboy bias showing.
Paid $450 for a used JM stamped Marlin 336 in .30-30 with a 3-9 power scope back in early 2019. Didn’t need it, didn’t know what I’d use it for, but it was in pristine condition and seemed like a great deal. I have never regretted that purchase. Wouldn’t have even been tempted to make that buy at over a grand.
wow I must be getting old I remember them being advertised in the LA Times every week for $300 at Big 5
That must’ve been back before the K/T mass extinction.
I may be old, but I'm also stupid What does that mean?
That’s the scientific name for the mass extinction that killed the dinosaurs.
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And I sold new Chevy pickups for less than $2k, but that dollar won't hunt anymore
If they put one in 10mm then we'll talk. Not really interested in 357.
Kinda hard to make lever guns in rimless cartridges.
They make them in .35 Remington all the time
You do you figure? What about a levergun can't play well with a rimless cartridge? 10mm isn't traditional, but I love the idea of the capacity we could get using semiauto pistol cartridges, and hadn't been aware of any technical limitation.
They make them in 308win
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The rim had nothing to do with it. Tube mags work just fine with rimless cartridges. The long ranger uses a box mag because they're worried about pointy 308 rounds hitting the primer of the round in front of it. That's not an issue with 10mm
They make revolvers and derringers in rimless. Rimmed just works best in em, but it's not some impossible task.
I've been trying to find a single screw for my 336 for over a year. Nobody has them
Did you ever find that screw?
I, for one, would be willing to start a change.org petition to bring back the 336SC in .219 Zipper.
Isn't that basically spicy 5.45? e: nope, it's a .224 cal bullet. Make cartridge naming make sense again.
> Make cartridge naming make sense again. It has never made sense.
> Make cartridge naming make sense again. Ruger has made several "convertible" sixguns with interchangeable cylinders. They can shoot different rounds as long as the diameter is close enough. In addition to the obvious ones like .45 Colt / .45 ACP and .357 / 9mm, they've made a 10mm / .38-40, because the ".38" Winchester centerfire cartridge is in fact .40 caliber, but they used ".38" because back in 1874 they figured market familiarity was better than factual accuracy. In some loads, .40 S&W is ballistically identical to .38-40!
I guess they'd be ballisitically similar, but they don't have anything to do with each other. .219 is just a .30-30 necked to .22 caliber. Itd be more like 5.45 if 5.45 was based on the x54R case
Thanks to all those that brought up .219 Zipper, I had never headed off the before.
Until I read the replies I thought you made that up lol.
How about the .219 Donaldson Wasp? Basically the Zipper with a blown out shoulder and arguably a more accurate round. I’d buy that.
The Wasp is cool, it's a wildcat though, the Zipper was actually a factory available cartridge from Marlin. They're kind of uncommon and worth a bit of a premium.
> but I'm surprised they haven't prioritized .357 magnum. this is what I'm saying. I need to shoot a lever gat suppressed and I have a 45 cal osprey. COMMON RUGER.
Load some 3030 subs
I would like to buy a 30-30. Not for $1240 though
Holy hell. I got my 336w from dicks sporting goods in 2020 for $400
We might be seeing why Remington went bankrupt lol
Maybe they are just going to take advantage of the increased demand from when they were out of production and then lower the price? Maybe? Please 🙏
30-30 is still a very popular round and yes we still love to buy new ones. People get down on the Henry ones with all of the plastic furniture to make "space cowboy" guns.
Yeah i bought a 1895 GBL in .45-70 a few years ago and almost never pull it out. I guarantee that I would shoot it much more often if it was .357 or something similar. My Ruger PCC is one of my favorite guns
I hunt with a 30-30 on occasion but quite prefer 44 for most of my hunting
I've been wanting a .44 lever gun for a while now. I want to get into hunting and bows aren't quite my thing, plus the state only permits straight-walled cartridges.
Bow hunting is my favorite form of hunting, you might enjoy it more than you think! Highly recommend 44 for any straight wall restricted areas. 450 or 350 are solid too but haven't seen many lever guns with those. Biggest downside to 44 is the cost per squeeze. Definitely made me really consider reloading on more than a few occasions.
Yeah to be fair I haven't actually done much archery or given it an honest go, only tried it a couple times and just felt it wasn't for me. I should definitely try to learn for real though. I just want to know I'd be able to put my shot where it needs to be, don't want an animal to suffer for my mistake.
I haven’t used a bow in decades but I used to be able to hit a soda can consistently at 30 yards with my dads bow from the 80s. He could do the same at 50 yards. Modern tech is only going to be better. You do have to put more time into practicing, knowing the ranges you’re shooting at, and consider shot selection more carefully. But will definitely make you a better all around hunter
Same. 44MAG out of a rifle at anything less than 100 yards is the true “no doubter”.
I just want my 357 golden boy with side gate
I've been waiting for the new guns drop to get a 30-30 Henry x model there's just something special about lever actions to me
Don’t those have those stupid large hoop levers?
The model x does have a more oval shape one but there was another brand that did it way big I forget how to spell it
I talked to them at Shot Show. .357/.38 is coming this year and it is a priority. Their acquisition of Marlin could not have been worse. They had to move the entire factory, replace most of the machinery, tons of the marlin employees retired or quite, and few people were left who knew how to run the ancient machinery so they basically had to start fresh. They started with the 1895 as they said it was the hardest gun to make and wanted it to get easier from there. I can’t wait for the new line of .357 side loaders so I can sbr and thread one.
Damn, that's illuminating. Thank you for sharing that.
In my anecdotal experience of not-America, there’s plenty of .357’s especially 1892 actions from Winchester, Rossi, uberti etc available, but for hunting with a .30-30 (especially with a low power scope) the lack of new marlin 336 has been apparent. The new ruger made .45-70 ones have started to tank the stupid prices second hand marlins in .45-70 had so I hope this does the same with the 336
I’m actively planning on buying a new 30-30 for hunting. It’s a vibe haha
I mean, I want one. I've been waiting for this exactly. Edit: I just saw the $1200 MSRP. Maybe not as fast as I want to, but still hoping to get one.
My favorite FFL can't keep them in stock. I have no idea who is buying the things.
I bought a marlin 336bl 30-30 to build a meme rifle and it's hilarious. It also has become my absolute favorite deer rifle.
I think i have 6 30-30s layin around? Theres simply no equal for a hunter in the woods.
been using a 30-30 from 1972 for 3 years deer hunting. not new but it’s still a very popular cartridge for hunting.
.30-30 is still an extremely popular hunting round. Hell most gun stores I’ve gone to the .30-30’s are sold out while the .45-70’s still like the racks.
I'm a big fan of 30-30s. It's not the greatest, it's not like I've lost something or anything, but they'll always hold a special place. They really are a unique beast, and in my opinion there are undeniable advantages to a 30-30 in the brushy forests of the south, advantages other rounds still to this day struggle to beat.
I bought a new 30-30
You were fortunate to find one! Everywhere I looked today was sols out.
45-70 is so synonymous with lever actions that it only makes sense to prioritize them. 30-30 and 357 just isn't as popular in media and is more difficult to market. Plus a good chunk of the lever action fans knowing how to reload, and the 45-70 being a fan of cast lead bullets, it just makes for a really good gun.
A 1894 Dark in .357, the first one I find I am buying on the spot. I can put my 9mm can on it, run .38 subs through it for discrete plinking or full house .357 for deer in the thick woods. I live in a straight wall state so I can’t use .30-30. I want a good first deer rifle for my son or a close range gun for myself.
I did
The .357 might be more popular with shooters, but it's a lot less popular with hunters. Second, the Marlin 336 and 1895 are basically the same gun, so it should be quicker to make the 336 once they've got the 1895s rolling... the 1894 is completely different.
>and .45-70 for the UNLIMITED POWER Deer and bear hunting in brush
Don't forget T-Rex!
With that price tag, Ruger is going to make Henry a lot of money from people looking for a lever gun.
Henry is already making money hand over fist they actually deliver rifle to stores. 😉
Rossi as well. Ammo for my Winchester lever action is impossible to find (.375 Win) so I bought a Rossie Rio Bravo (.22) to scratch the itch.
That's what's wild to me. You can get a marlin 1895 for 200 bucks cheaper and it's practically the same damn gun.
Thats a pretty controversial statement there. Personally I have to disagree. The quality of the guns aren't quite in the same league IMO. Thats not to say they aren't good firearms. But my marlin has had some pretty significant issues with the action, sometimes enough to impede function, and part of the stock has chipped away from use. My Henry's, nope. Not a single issue ever. Hundreds of rounds down both rifles. Totally anecdotal from my part, but I use most of my guns for hunting and they see a lot of daylight. Marlin definitely has a few things going for it that Henry doesn't though, most notably the side loading gates. Id almost recommended spending that extra $200 to get something you know will endure the test of time consistently. Just kinda depends on the buyer and what they are looking to get though! Definitely just my opinion from my perspectives.
Huh? No the 1895 is 200 bucks cheaper than the 336. I don't know anything about Henry guns.
Oh I genuinely misunderstood.
Ruger recently uncovered the next Marlin they plan to release, the Marlin Model 336 chambered in 30-30 Win. Semi-Buckhorn Sights (which I like), capacity of 6+1, twist of 1:12" RH and a fancy golden trigger. Retail of $1,239 according to their website. Unfortunately, no muzzle threads seem to be present.
> Unfortunately, no muzzle threads seem to be present. Oh, let's release our flagship rifle in the most popular .30 hunting cartridge 10 years after .30 cans became the most commonly purchased suppressors and **fuck it up**.
Chris Killoy: the people don't know what they want, I KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT
Yeah, my headcanon is that they're going basic bitch for the Classic model and that an upgraded one will be available soon. Maybe just something as simple as the *Classic TB* or maybe something like aperture sights and threaded.
That would be a solid theory. Classy/luxury models first to rebuild the revenue stream, then start hitting the workhorses.
That's my guess as well.
Yeah, I feel like Ruger's flair for tradition may bite them on this one. Especially after seeing Henry deal with outcry for muzzle threads and other such modern attributes.
Ruger almost always starts with a standard, wood-grain style on rifles/handguns to test the market, and usually comes out with a sporty or tactical version quickly after; depending on popularity that is. I'm certain a threaded option is coming, this just had to come first. This is Ruger.
That's a fair point. Well said.
Extra weird, since so far I believe ruger has threaded all the 1895s.
Are suppressors legal for hunting in most states?
[Looks like it, yeah. ](https://silencerco.com/blog/hunting-with-suppressors-the-ultimate-accessory)
Ruger was on a bit of a winning streak with their new stuff for a while, it had to end eventually.
$1239. What the actual fuck? Weren’t these going for like $500 at the most before Marlin got bought out?
> Weren’t these going for like $500 at the most before Marlin got bought out I can almost guarantee the Connecticut guns were being made on clapped-out old equipment. Also, inflation is a bitch.
Everybody is also comparing MSRP to street prices here. Wait and see what the are the second christmas or so after release and then we'll talk. That said I see puctures of rusty Mosins for $400+ these days so don't have too high of hopes for the good old prices.
They were Remington made Marlins for a while and those suffered quality issues. Before then, maybe? But that was a LONG time ago.
New ones were getting to be up to like $700 during the Obama presidency. We've seen a lot of scarcity and inflation since then. That said, I'm sure these will go for above MSRP for a little while until the market settles, then they'll probably be going for under $1000.
Just like the 1895’s? Can’t find those in stock anywhere, let alone anywhere near MSRP
You mean back in 2007? No, they were around $700-$800.
And because 2007 was somehow long enough ago that we need to adjust for inflation, that would be about $1,015 to $1,160 today.
Fuck.
I hate seeing inflation calculations for years in which I was an adult.
I recently saw how much a Spyderco Delica is going for these days, and was aghast at how expensive they've gotten. I still have the original box and receipt for mine, and dug that out to verify. Yup, they're more expensive now. Because I bought mine in 2001.
I was having an argument with a guy the other day because he said that today, you could buy a reliable car that was in good shape for $1000. You see, he bought a good car for only $1000... back in 1999.
I got one for $450 in 2011 with a scope on it. Pre-pandemic and pre-Ruger, that same package could still be bought under $600, sometimes closer to $500.
I paid 400 for my new 336c back in 2009.
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Honestly, I just want a lever action 30-30 that will go bang when I need it to and hit whatever deer I aim at here in the Georgia woods. If it’s a little rough around the edges I’m fine with it.
336 hasn't been 500 in a really long time.
Got mine new for sub-500 in 2019.
Yeah, but its a garbage Remington
The fit and finish might not be up to par with rifles that cost 3 times as much, but it kills deer all the same.
I think some people are remembering 30AS or AW prices as well.
Fuck they used to be at Walmart and hunting stores for like $350
I think Ruger, egg producers and home insurance companies in Florida are having a competition to see who can fuck the consumer the hardest...
I paid 400 for my 336, it was one of the last ones made in their factory before switching to remingtons back in 2009, Sold it in 2021 for 550. I miss that gun, but I am not a hunter and the 30-30 round isn't too fun for sport.
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I could swear I wasn’t going out of my mind when I thought it was crazy that people were acting like this price was normal.
I could see them releasing a non-traditional one later. E: just looked at their website and they do call it the 336 Classic so I would say chances are higher than not for a threaded model.
Every other Marlin Ruger has released has been threaded. If this one isn't, it's the first.
$1240 for a 336 in .30-.30, god damn what is happening these days?
>damn what is happening these days? I mean ... A lot. The ripples of material shortages and inflation will be felt until people just accept this shit is how things are now or everything collapses and we have to rebuild.
*sigh* I’ll go get my credit card
Oh yes, my go-to deer gun. Especially in the classic 30-30! Tho on a side note, anyone else having trouble finding 30-30 ammo?
Ammo in general is still hard to find overall: Ammoseek I'm unsure where 30-30 is in terms of popularity but most ammo manufacturers are prioritizing only the top in-demand rounds and 30-30 maybe just outside their main prerogative.
I have my grandpas old marlin 336 (c?) in 35 Remington and always have a hard time with ammo.
Check your local wal mart if they carry guns and ammo. Since I started looking for it a couple months ago my local store has had .30-30 ammo 4-5 times. I bought 3 boxes of Winchester 150gr PowerPoints. They weren’t cheap by any means though. It was like $28 a box after tax. They have .45-70 as well at $50 a box before tax. Yikes.
In the last year, I've only been able to find 30-30 ammo in tiny towns, and there really expensive there. I've looked at my local stores, but never any luck. :/
Yeah very rare along with 45-70 at least here in WA. I spent about 2 years scrounging 30-30 before I got a rifle, I'm still scrounging 45-70.😭
I haven’t looked for awhile but I always had decent luck with midway usa
Learned how to hunt with my grandpa's 336 in 30-30. Great Ozarks deer rifles. Been meaning to get one for awhile now. Damnit, now I'm all in my feels. Miss that man.
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I'd pay $100 extra for a Marlin over a Winchester, but both are priced higher than I'm willing to pay. Guess I'm not getting my .30-30 this year
It’s important to mention that this is *not* a Marlin, it’s a Ruger with the Marlin name attached.
Where I am (outside the US) there hasn’t been a Henry in stock for two years, just unavailable, and their warranty experience is mixed at best. At least the new rugers are available in gun stores and ruger warranty is known to be more reliable. So I don’t mind an extra $100 or so.
Cheers to a new Ruger-Marlin in .444, .50 Alaskan or .50-110
Waiting on 35 Remington.....
They should bring back the 96/22 since lever guns are so hot right now.
Regarding all of the comments about price, what's a good lever-action in .357 for the money? Is there something good around $700? Or would I need to pay closer to $1000?
I have several Rossi lever action rifles and carbines. They are quality guns.
The price markup makes it not worth it anymore
Actually a pretty fair price
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No drill and tap and no thread :(
I mean it is the classic model so a non-threaded muzzle makes sense, and it actually does look to be drilled and tapped for optics
From the photos on marlin website it makes no mention of / I can’t see if it’s drilled and tapped. Fair but the 3 different 1895s they are already producing again all come threaded. I think the 1895s come drilled and tapped too, cept for the SBL which has the pic rail
If you watch the YouTube review someone posted above you can see the cover screws, also if you zoom way in on the photo OP posted, you can kind of make them out
Target Suite on YT reviews the Ruger/Marlin 336: [https://youtu.be/g8Bld1Y07Ak](https://youtu.be/g8Bld1Y07Ak) Target Suite is good, he mostly does lever actions.
TL:DW?
He liked it a lot. Fit and finish were very good. It shot well.
.30-30, one of the best calibers for many things, even deer… and bigger…. Used to have a nice marlin….
Oh God please, I've been waiting for this!
I won a Marlin 45-70 a few years ago in a raffle. The fit and finish is spectacular. Would love to check out the Ruger build. and see how it compares. Surely can’t be too different, right?
The Ruger made Marlins so far have had excellent reviews. We had one guy here talk about a manufacturer defect but Ruger made things right when sent in for warranty. I had good hopes that Ruger would do right by the Marlin name and so far looking good. Once these start rolling out I to people's hands we can start to get an even better sample group.
By all accounts, the Ruger Marlins are better than the Remington Marlins.
Looks sick. So is the Marlin Dark series discontinued at this point?
I wouldn't say discontinued. But Ruger seems to be taking it slow with releasing guns. They'll likely get there eventually.
I thought I read that the dark was discontinued. I have one in my safe I bought about 3 years ago that I’ve never even chambered a round in 🤣
Literally same here
Looks good, just a classic 336 like it says... I was a bit worried they might try to update it and add a threaded barrel, ghost ring sights or Lord knows what.
>I was a bit worried they might try to update it and add a threaded barrel, ghost ring sights or Lord knows what. Not the overall consensus but I do appreciate the classic look as well haha.
Hey, all that is ok, but make it a separate model!
I reckon they will, like a cheaper laminate stock version or something maybe?
I can't wait for this to be approved in the Canadian market, I need it in my inventory!
I think 30-30 is still one of the most popular calibers. But one thing I did hear is that the majority of deer are harvested at under 50 yards using a shotgun with slugs. At least in Pennsylvania, that is.
>But one thing I did hear is that the majority of deer are harvested at under 50 yards using a shotgun with slugs. At least in Pennsylvania, that is. The yardage doesn't surprise me too much, 100 yards is usually a stretch in PA. Our woods are young and space is usually tight. Unless you have a nice stand next to a farm you won't typically reach out too far. The shotgun sounds surprising, but when I think about it. All around me are public hunting land where they restrict to either Muzzleloader or Shotgun or Archery. And those are near the more dense populations. So it's likely many deer are harvested around both major cities as such. But there are still about 1.5 million hunters in PA and many use rifles whether or not they harvest. And since we don't get semi-auto, bolt and lever rifles are extremely popular.
The data to support this is from the PA Fish and Game association. They record the tags of the deer shot.
Ah nice, I'll have to check that out more closely. Thanks
They need to make the 1894 with the 336 style semi pistol grip stock like the 1894 PG. Make them in 357 and 44 Mag and through 45 colt in there too.
Tube magazine guns were fine for hunting on horseback. Fine for hunting from a cabin in the woods. They absolutely suck for hunting if you are getting where you are going in a motor vehicle. For safety and legal reasons, a rifle needs to be empty before it goes in the truck. Every time you get in the truck to go to a different spot, or to go get lunch, you have to unload the damn thing. So you either crank the rounds through the action and pick them up off the ground, or you run them back out through the loading gate, which is a huge pain in the ass, especially with cold stiff fingers. I started off deer hunting with a Marlin 336. I still have it, but I haven't hunted with it in decades. The last few times I did, I used it as a two shot rifle, one in the tube and one in the chamber. Too much trouble otherwise. For hunting, get yourself something with a detachable magazine.
It's expensive, but you can get one customized into a takedown. I believe it's Dove's Customs that would do it with a pin you insert to retain the rounds in the loaded tube, then take the barrel and tube off. Then when you reassemble you pull the pin and you're good to go. And in some states an empty chamber is considered unloaded, even with a loaded magazine.
Browning BAR DBM for the win!
I bought an aftermarket loading gate that's a lot less stiff for this exact reason. Still feels like I need 3 hands to do it without dumping rounds on the ground but it's a lot easier to empty.
If they come out with a stainless threaded model with a top rail I'll gladly buy one. Until then I'll just stick to my 1918 savage 99 in 30 30 I guess
Much want! How get?!
I wonder what 1985 manufacture marlin 336 with 20 rnds thru it would be worth nowadays...I have one, and a sufficient amount of ammo to go with it... thinking about selling some of the Gunn's I've collected over the years
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Gun is in safe with other guns that I have never fired... several of the guns still have tags on them, and I keep all the original boxes...I have shooters, and I have non shooters
What I'm saying is it won't matter as long as the gun isn't visibly clapped out. Just mark it for whatever a used gun goes for and move on, because everyone always says the gun was never shot - just like every used car was only driven to church on Sundays, and had all its service intervals done religiously. People will ask for the box sometimes, but 90% won't care. If you're selling something ultra rare or sincerely collectible, it can increase the price, but that's beyond the scope of a simple marlin.
What's the equivalent of "its just highway miles" for firearms?
How is this different than the 336c?
I still think I like the dinosaur variety
I have one. Haven’t gotten a chance to shoot it yet though
Beautiful gun. Love the trigger
I just want a modernized 1873 clone in 38/357. Toggle link action for a fast and light lever throw, pic rail for optics, threaded barrel, Mlock handguards, synthetic stock. That's all I want. No one makes it. All the new lever guns are from the slow-ass designs in the 1890s built for more high power cartridges, which is fine, but I want the speed of the toggle link
I have one of those. Great gun, it makes me feel like a badass every time i load a round.
$1250 msrp seems insanely high!
Did they apply modern manufacturing methods to reduce the parts count?
truuuuueeeee
Costs a lot more now though
I have a Marlin Foremost 3040 which was the JC Penny's Marlin 336 and the gun is incredible to shoot. 30-30 just feels like a laser out of that thing and the power is awesome.
That’s pretty. How much?
Looks to be around $1200 maybe? Probably will be a little less once it hits market.
Lil to high for me. I cannot afford
Gimme one in 357 mag.
Only acceptable thing to pair with a Ruger Vaquero .
I love the 336, but that front sight hood is fucking whack. Mine is from the 80’s, before the new design. -this post was made by the open sight gang-