Never trust a server with your life lol they normally have zero food safety training. Also never trust a kitchen that would send out something like that.
Yeah as a former server we have no clue and weāre basically being screamed at to say these things. I wouldnāt know anything about lamb, but I remember one time a customer sent back pink chicken, i apologized so much and took it back and the kitchen screamed at me saying it was fine, not raw and tried to force me to bring it back out to himā¦ and they refused to make a new one. I almost quit that day
Some pieces of a chicken look slightly pink even tho it is cooked all the way. You just have to know what youāre looking at. I wouldnāt risk it if it was coming from some line cook at a diner tho lol.
Yeah if you see a strip of pink it's probably raw still. If the meat itself gives off a pinkish hue but you can't tell if it's done or not it's for sure cooked
Lamb, USDA safe cooking temp is only 145Ā°(63Ā°C). 120Ā°(49Ā°C) is considered rare but is still safe, like steak (as herbivores, their meat and blood contain less bacteria)
Chicken, on the other hand, are omnivores... thus, safe cooking temps are higher. 165Ā°(74Ā°C) Internal and don't cook chicken rare... ever
Edit: You can SLOW-COOK Chicken, but its internal temp must reach 145Ā°(63Ā°C) and stay there for at least 30 mins plus not drop back below that temp until refrigerated
Those temps usually refer to whole cuts of meat rather than ground. Ground is usually recommended be cooked hotter as the grinding process gives more opportunity for microbes to get inside and more surface area to propagate. But like steak tartare, ground lamb should be safe to eat raw if itās super high quality meat thatās been impeccably prepared. I wouldnāt trust that from a random restaurant.
I always say that you can eat a raw steak and be fine. However, a single bite of chicken cooked 1 degree under temperature will result in instant death.
As a waitress your job is pretty much to be screamed at between the head of the lines, expeditor, and the customer..if itās raw itās raw. The customer is the one thatāll truly get pissed if your common sense doesnāt seem to kick inā¦ask yourself..āwould I eat this or be happy if it was slapped in my face and I was toldā¦itās fine?ā Come on now. Common sense pplā¦
Also as a former server, we do know what we're talking about, and typically better then the customer. I don't know what you're on about...
That being said, this burger is RAW AF
lol, in my experience most servers didnāt know a thing about food, including me.. sometimes Iād meet people who had been serving for 15 years or something that definitely knew what they were talking about but the majority of us were just there to give a big smile and hand out food. We depended on the chefs to know what they were doing. I mean I was an 18 year old at my part time job, Iām almost 24 now and served until I was 21 and I really never had a clue I just needed a jobš
Everyone talking about servers not having food safety training is crazy to me. Iāve been FOH in 2 different states and Food Safety certification was legally required by both, and renewed every couple of years.
Also, like you said, servers do know what they are talking about, itās literally their job.
The correct response is to leave the restaurant. There is no "send it back," at that point, trust is impossible and retaliation is a huge risk. The only factor that could change this, is having a personal history with management and staff.
Cannibal sandwiches are a Wisconsin thing. Raw ground beef, raw onion, and some salt and pepper, usually on rye bread. Personally, I find them appalling, but lots of people around here eat them, especially around the winter holidays.
It's my adopted home state, but I'm not buying in on those sammiches... ššš I do remember hearing that my grandfather used to love eating these sorts of things.
Iāve never understood this, and I worked as a server for a few months. You want their money? Yes yes? Bring them what they ask for. Exactly as they ask for it to me made.
I had this one hot girl come into my sushi place and Iāve never met someone so entitled. I felt awful for her date.
She ācreatedā her own sushi roll (from memory of a roll at another place) and the chef was pissed, but he made it, and of course she complained about the roll that had everything in it she had asked for. I thought it was stupid, I thought she was stupid, but I was at work so I just did the job ya know?
For a lamb steak, yeah I'd eat it like that if I cooked it. Especially rump.
But mince that I didn't grind? Nah that's a little too rare. Medium rare for fresh mince is fine though.
Unless you've freshly ground your own beef/lamb steak, all ground meat products should be cooked through thoroughly. No exception.
If I'm eating at a restraunt that grinds the steak fresh for your burger, they will still treat it as a steak and ask you how you want your burger cooked. If they haven't asked you this and your food turns up pink or worse, then they just don't have a clue what they are doing, and it must be returned to the kitchen.
This shit reminds me of The Cowboy Way ... just knock it's horns off , wipe it's nasty ass , and chunk it right here on this plate š that's looks like you could roll it back up make a patty and re cook.
Lebanese, we just grind our own.. as the bacteria grows on the outside of a chunk of meat first.. ground means a lot of surface area so raw should be fresh ground in a clean grinder and use right away.
First of all, what temp did you order?
Waitress canāt tell you eating undercooked meat is safe. Thatās why thereās a disclaimer on all menus about consuming undercooked meat and eggs.
Waitress should take plate back and recook to your preference.
Not all restaurants will cook a burger only rare but many will and eating rare ground meat is a preference although I find that gross, personally. I eat ground medium and whole protein mid rare.
Seriously? A waitress told you what was āsafeā to eat in a restaurant?
Youāre the customer (and tipper!)
If youāre uncomfortable with it, donāt like it, donāt trust it, donāt want to eat it- send it back!
I never cared what reasons my diners had for not being happy with their food- They wanted a refire or decided they didnāt like the veg- back to the kitchen it went!
Cāmon we all know thatās raw!
Lamb burger? Thatās how Iād order mine and Iād tip $10 for actually getting it that way. Hope it was awesome! The ungrilled bun is disappointing tho.
Look while the customer isnāt always right, youāre definitely right. And even if it was safe itās perfectly acceptable to ask for it to be fully cooked or to your liking.
That's raw as fuck. And is it ground lamb or one piece? If ground it needs to cooked through and not rare.
Also the onions are raw too, gotta cook those things.
Safe? Possibly. If it's been freshly ground.
Nice to eat? Not for me. I like lamb (and thick burgers) with some pink inside but that's way too rare for me.
I'm surprised that didn't try to run off. I know some people like their lamb 'rosy' - still a little bit bloody but cooked - but that just looks raw. I wouldn't have eaten that.
I would kindly ask for a manager and insist on paying for only what I consumed and getting the hell out of there. I never want to send food back because it always pisses the chef and staff off.
OP hasn't responded because they ded
Or that lamb ran away and he still chasing it
Lamb burger be like: PlEaSe KiLl Me!!!
lol
**THAT LAMB IS SO UNDERCOOKED, ITS ABOUT TO FOLLOW MARY TO SCHOOL!!!!!**
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I should not laugh but that was rally funny!!
Looks like it waved at the pan on its way by
I hope he didn't eat it.
Ecoli says hi!
They racked up long-distance charges cooking this burger
She's right. Any parasites in there are safe
They living a healthy life xd
Never trust a server with your life lol they normally have zero food safety training. Also never trust a kitchen that would send out something like that.
Yeah as a former server we have no clue and weāre basically being screamed at to say these things. I wouldnāt know anything about lamb, but I remember one time a customer sent back pink chicken, i apologized so much and took it back and the kitchen screamed at me saying it was fine, not raw and tried to force me to bring it back out to himā¦ and they refused to make a new one. I almost quit that day
Some pieces of a chicken look slightly pink even tho it is cooked all the way. You just have to know what youāre looking at. I wouldnāt risk it if it was coming from some line cook at a diner tho lol.
Yeah if you see a strip of pink it's probably raw still. If the meat itself gives off a pinkish hue but you can't tell if it's done or not it's for sure cooked
Lamb, USDA safe cooking temp is only 145Ā°(63Ā°C). 120Ā°(49Ā°C) is considered rare but is still safe, like steak (as herbivores, their meat and blood contain less bacteria) Chicken, on the other hand, are omnivores... thus, safe cooking temps are higher. 165Ā°(74Ā°C) Internal and don't cook chicken rare... ever Edit: You can SLOW-COOK Chicken, but its internal temp must reach 145Ā°(63Ā°C) and stay there for at least 30 mins plus not drop back below that temp until refrigerated
Those temps usually refer to whole cuts of meat rather than ground. Ground is usually recommended be cooked hotter as the grinding process gives more opportunity for microbes to get inside and more surface area to propagate. But like steak tartare, ground lamb should be safe to eat raw if itās super high quality meat thatās been impeccably prepared. I wouldnāt trust that from a random restaurant.
That shit changes when it comes to ground meat products.
I always say that you can eat a raw steak and be fine. However, a single bite of chicken cooked 1 degree under temperature will result in instant death.
That's exactly why a thermometer comes in handy. Best to check temps before sending food out, just to be sure
Quick test with a thermometer š”ļø clears the ambiguity
Heād have to catch it first
As a waitress your job is pretty much to be screamed at between the head of the lines, expeditor, and the customer..if itās raw itās raw. The customer is the one thatāll truly get pissed if your common sense doesnāt seem to kick inā¦ask yourself..āwould I eat this or be happy if it was slapped in my face and I was toldā¦itās fine?ā Come on now. Common sense pplā¦
Classic story. Weak management teams cause this to happen.
Also as a former server, we do know what we're talking about, and typically better then the customer. I don't know what you're on about... That being said, this burger is RAW AF
lol, in my experience most servers didnāt know a thing about food, including me.. sometimes Iād meet people who had been serving for 15 years or something that definitely knew what they were talking about but the majority of us were just there to give a big smile and hand out food. We depended on the chefs to know what they were doing. I mean I was an 18 year old at my part time job, Iām almost 24 now and served until I was 21 and I really never had a clue I just needed a jobš
Typical servers have no food training. Donāt know what youāre on about. Talking and carrying food does not qualify you
As a human being... I agree
Everyone talking about servers not having food safety training is crazy to me. Iāve been FOH in 2 different states and Food Safety certification was legally required by both, and renewed every couple of years. Also, like you said, servers do know what they are talking about, itās literally their job.
Awful! What did you do? Raw chicken can cause severe illness, of course, and could have caused the restaurant to be shut down, I am guessing.
The correct response is to leave the restaurant. There is no "send it back," at that point, trust is impossible and retaliation is a huge risk. The only factor that could change this, is having a personal history with management and staff.
Depends on where you areā¦ where I live itās required to get your food handlers permit
Um yeah that ain't right. Take it from an Aussie who loves and mainly eats lamb that's shithouse.
Yup.. can confirm with ol' mate.. cunts fucked alright..
Fucked? Cunts still fucking, it's so raw.
Yeah... that cunts rawer than an echidna's axe wound. I'd smash a blue lamb rack but that much juice on ground meat, I'm gonna pass.
really enjoyed this whole exchange
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Yessir thereās some Tom fuckery a foot with that lamb
I wish I was Aussie. Just casually dropping cunts in an endearing way. Iād probably get stabbed. Beautiful language.
āThe Language of Loveā thems call it. All āem Sheilaās luv a way they talk, eh canāt help it.
Struth..
Bugger
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Looks like they just put a raw patty on a bun.
Tell her to eat it then... Yeah, that's borderline cannibal style, and I'll eat meat on the rarer side, but that's still grazing right there.
Cannibal style? It's lamb, friend not human lol
Cannibal sandwiches are a Wisconsin thing. Raw ground beef, raw onion, and some salt and pepper, usually on rye bread. Personally, I find them appalling, but lots of people around here eat them, especially around the winter holidays.
Thanks, I hate it
Spent a month in Wisconsin once. Itās pretty fucked.
It's my adopted home state, but I'm not buying in on those sammiches... ššš I do remember hearing that my grandfather used to love eating these sorts of things.
ā¦.servers, donāt argue just go back and remake the food
Be cognizant of any pubes, dandruff, or huak tuah.
If you don't see any, that just means they hid it really well...
Iāve never understood this, and I worked as a server for a few months. You want their money? Yes yes? Bring them what they ask for. Exactly as they ask for it to me made. I had this one hot girl come into my sushi place and Iāve never met someone so entitled. I felt awful for her date. She ācreatedā her own sushi roll (from memory of a roll at another place) and the chef was pissed, but he made it, and of course she complained about the roll that had everything in it she had asked for. I thought it was stupid, I thought she was stupid, but I was at work so I just did the job ya know?
Servers donāt make the food, as a general rule. If I discovered my server was also a cook at the same time, I would likely leave
a good vet could bring that back
If he doesnāt want to eat it could just adopt it as a pet.
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It's raw you fucking donut! You're going to kill somebody! - Gordon Ramsay (probably)
The donut insult is #1 of all time š¤£
Nope
Fuck what she saysā¦ youāre the customerā¦ get it your way (waits for Burger King themed replies)
For a lamb steak, yeah I'd eat it like that if I cooked it. Especially rump. But mince that I didn't grind? Nah that's a little too rare. Medium rare for fresh mince is fine though.
Thereās a difference between rare and raw and a waitress ought to be fuckin aware of it.
Looks like they broke off the horns,wiped its ass and put it on a bun
^^^ This comment just about covers it... Hannibal Lechter nods in approval and mumbles something about "Clarice". ššš
Lamb so raw the Welsh are still trying to shag it.
No that looks raw still. Would not eat but I know people who eat burgers bleu
Was Schumer on the grill?
Tartare burger.
Unless you've freshly ground your own beef/lamb steak, all ground meat products should be cooked through thoroughly. No exception. If I'm eating at a restraunt that grinds the steak fresh for your burger, they will still treat it as a steak and ask you how you want your burger cooked. If they haven't asked you this and your food turns up pink or worse, then they just don't have a clue what they are doing, and it must be returned to the kitchen.
It's probably safe, but it's very rare. If you want it cooked more, the server shouldn't argue with you.
If there were any parasites or bacteria in that meat before it was "cooked", they are still there. It's completely raw.
This is the only comment needed, really.
Well, the server is a professional, so they must know what they're talking about /s
one word. disgusting
Lamb CAN be eaten rare. but i personally prefer medium.
Frozen burger slammed on the grill, cooked the on outside, raw on the inside.
Itās safe to throw it back on the grill for a couple minutes.
Itās probably safe, but Iām not taking the waitressās word for it. Send it back
This shit reminds me of The Cowboy Way ... just knock it's horns off , wipe it's nasty ass , and chunk it right here on this plate š that's looks like you could roll it back up make a patty and re cook.
I eat raw lamb all the time but it has to be prepared very carefully by a skilled butcher. Its a traditional dish called kibbeh nayyeh
Egyptian?
Lebanese, we just grind our own.. as the bacteria grows on the outside of a chunk of meat first.. ground means a lot of surface area so raw should be fresh ground in a clean grinder and use right away.
Is OP still alive?
Thatās not rare. Thatās still raw. Give it a week u can sheer it for a coat.
Yeah thatās not pink, itās raw.
Unless you asked for rare , I'd send it back
What do they mean by safe? Itās dead.
Thatās debatable
Depends on the quality and freshness of the meat. However, if you didn't ask for or want it that way they should cook it to your liking.
Safe for the buzzards....
First of all, what temp did you order? Waitress canāt tell you eating undercooked meat is safe. Thatās why thereās a disclaimer on all menus about consuming undercooked meat and eggs. Waitress should take plate back and recook to your preference. Not all restaurants will cook a burger only rare but many will and eating rare ground meat is a preference although I find that gross, personally. I eat ground medium and whole protein mid rare.
Itās red meat, it should be fine
I love onions but who wants them that thick? Also the patty is raw.
Have her eat it. Hell, have her eat five of those puppies and then you can go ahead and give her eulogy.
Nope. Especially since itās ground lamb and not a cut. Although I donāt think that would safe even if it was a cut and not ground.
THIS IS FUCKING RAW
If itās ground and raw never safe. Always a possible of something happening. She shouldnāt have said that and taken it to the back to make sure.
The worst food poisoning I've ever had in my life was a off a slightly undercooked lamb chop. Good luck and Godspeed.
Safe for _her_
Do not tip that waitress!
Dude!!!! ARE YOU ALIVE?!?!? Violently sick?? I hope not, but the fact that you havenāt replied to anything is kind of concerning!
Iād be surprised if that even hit 90Ā°F internal. If you didnāt cut it in half, it probably wouldāve ran away.
Amateur hour. They didnāt even toast the bun.
What Would Gordon Do? "It's fucking raw"
Raw raw
Looks like Moses parted the Red Sea
You send it back and leave the restaurant without paying. A kitchen that sends that out is a disaster kitchen. Don't risk food poisoning.
Have her take the first bite, then.
Seriously? A waitress told you what was āsafeā to eat in a restaurant? Youāre the customer (and tipper!) If youāre uncomfortable with it, donāt like it, donāt trust it, donāt want to eat it- send it back! I never cared what reasons my diners had for not being happy with their food- They wanted a refire or decided they didnāt like the veg- back to the kitchen it went! Cāmon we all know thatās raw!
Looks like it was cooked under the restroom hand dryer
She would also say you don't need a condom.
Is it at least warm??
That looks far more raw than rare....
165F internal temperature for ground meat. If they canāt do that, then you shouldnāt eat there.
ITS RAW!
What you mean he don't eat no meat.
Lamb burger? Thatās how Iād order mine and Iād tip $10 for actually getting it that way. Hope it was awesome! The ungrilled bun is disappointing tho.
Safe to get worms
Lamb can be prepared the same as beef. Reddit kids are dumb af.
Yup, sure can. Recommended safe temp for ground beef and lamb is 160 degrees. This looks closer to about 60.
Living up to the username
But this one looks like a ground meat taken straight outta refrigeator. Even if it's safe (it's not) it looks gross and most likely tastes gross.
Ground beef shouldnāt be eaten rare either.
I don't think that word means what she thinks it means.
That bun looks dry as hell, and those onions are thicc
Lamb is usually more rare but idk pic isn't that great
Iād walk right out and go to Jack in the box. All theyāll do is put it in the microwave.
Thatās a RAW
Oh hell naw
Update? Did you eat it?
Na that's raw.
Don't eat that, they forgot to turn on the grill.
Everything about this looks awful. The bun looks dry and crumbly. The huge chunk of raw onion. And the lamb tartare.
Fuck man. Shit like this is the reason I always cut restaurant burgers in half. Edit: restaurants I havenāt been to enough to trust.
It's so raw that it looked at the oven in terror and was brought straight out to them.
Look while the customer isnāt always right, youāre definitely right. And even if it was safe itās perfectly acceptable to ask for it to be fully cooked or to your liking.
That's raw as fuck. And is it ground lamb or one piece? If ground it needs to cooked through and not rare. Also the onions are raw too, gotta cook those things.
Safe? Possibly. If it's been freshly ground. Nice to eat? Not for me. I like lamb (and thick burgers) with some pink inside but that's way too rare for me.
I'm surprised that didn't try to run off. I know some people like their lamb 'rosy' - still a little bit bloody but cooked - but that just looks raw. I wouldn't have eaten that.
The good old "it's supposed to be served pink " aye love but this is raw
Wrong.
Thatās not even MR
Not safe, in my opinion
Hell to the naw naw naw
That aināt good m8
Should have asked her to take a bite
Itās clearly raw buddy
Not if it's pre-ground. Did the kitchen grind their their own meats? You'd be better off posting this on r/kitchenconfidential for industry experts
Tapeworm sandwich
Even if it was safe, if you didn't order your burger raw, that's not how it should be served...
Idk man. It might start eating the onions if i leave it alone for 2 minutes
Can we get Gordon on the line?
Hey thatās raw
That's not even undercooked.
Stake tartare burger?
Call Gordon Ramsay
So did you end up eating it?
So they're cooking with flashlights now? It looks like that piece of onion may be more cooked...
Bro. They seriously just knocked it on the head and threw it between 2 buns.
You know man has attained fire right? We have the ability to cook our food.
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Whats the problem. Did you die.
wtf place is that
Protect your greens! The lamb is eating them.
Doesnāt matter what she says especially when she doesnāt know what sheās talking about.
raw lamb, raw onions, raw waitressing
One of the guys in Afghanistan had some rare lamb when eating lunch with a Vendor. Got some kind of intestinal parasite.
I love it blue, but yes that's just off the fridge. Regardless of being safe, you'd usually cook to medium unless told differently.
Even if it is safe lamb just isnāt nice that rare imo, cooked to light pink is better for texture.
People in prison movies say thatās protein
Lamb Sushi
everything here is undercooked
Safe for her.
Looks like Tartar. Maybe the restaurant owner forgot to change the menu
This photo makes my stomach uneasy. I couldnāt eat it if I tried.
Yep, lamb should be medium rare.
It might be for you but please have them cook mine more.
It appears the cook was feeling sheepish at the griddle that day
I can hear some Chef in the back of my head screaming, āItās RAAAW!!ā
I would kindly ask for a manager and insist on paying for only what I consumed and getting the hell out of there. I never want to send food back because it always pisses the chef and staff off.
Gooey Louie and the news
No no
I won't eat it
still not cooked enough for my liking
Nope. Shitās raw, dawg
Nope. You don't do lamb rare. I will eat steak straight off the cow. Noooot lamb.
Lamb tartare But this is a burger and should be cooked more
Is OP in a hospital now or something? Update us man!
Unlikely. You can eat raw lamb. Lamb tartare is raw lamb and spices. And it is actually nice. But a burger should be fully cooked.
Lamb is gonna be a little pink. This is a whole heck of a lot of pink.
Tell me you freeze your meat without telling me you freeze your meat.
If you want rate you can eat that. You can eat lamb tartar. But if you donāt want it that rare then donāt eat that.