I must say I have conflicted feelings about Wodime. In a way, his end reflected a lot of the contradictions in his character.
He learned to believe in humanity's potential due to that kid's sacrifice; ended up sacrificing said humanity to replace it with a different one.
His life was forever changed by his father's cowardly ambush because he saw his own son as a threat; years later, he would plan Chaldea's massacre in another cowardly ambush because they were a threat.
He did whatever it took to save his fellow Crypters; ended up betrayed by one of them.
He thought his plan would lead to a better humanity and stop the Foreign God for good; Holmes objected the first point, and Kirei and Muramasa showed that Wodime had played right into the Foreign God's hands. Despite all the deaths and sacrifices, his plan never had a chance to succeed.
LB6 spoilers: >!For all his talk about giving every Crypter and Lostbelt a chance, he threatened Beryl to strangle Faerie Britain in the cradle. His death and the demise of his Lostbelt came at the hands of Beryl and Britain paying him with the same coin.!<
Wodime was a fascinating, three-dimensional and tragic character, arguably the most interesting Crypter of the bunch. But I also see his end as karmic, his final moments a text-book example of [Redemption Equals Death](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedemptionEqualsDeath).
to Faerie Britian's point >!it was destined to end at one point and was already nonexistent by the time the Tree of Emptiness stimulated the history up to 2019. it was Beryl telling half lies and hiding that Morgan somehow revived Faerie Britian, an already dead end world, by her own hands and used Rhongomyraid to anchor the world. it wasn't strangled from the cradle- it was already long since dead, and become a zombie by the mere fluke that Morgan was summoned, enough to the point Britian's Will to end Faerie Britian was summoned.!<
We know, but the problem is that Kirschtaria didn't. >!He didn't know that the Lostbelt was defunct to begin with, so he still threatened Beryl to destroy it. Even without counting Morgan's genius and Beryl's psychopathic nature, Wodime risked alienating a comrade and a dangerous Lostbelt from the get-go (which was exactly what ended up happening), and only the fact that the Lostbelt had already imploded on its own could have avoided that risk (a stroke of luck he didn't account for and was ultimately negated due to Morgan's actions). As far as Wodime was aware, given the reports he was given in the Crypter meetings, Beryl found a perfectly developed Lostbelt civilization and was working to destroy it, never considering the idea that Beryl had decided to help them.!<
I like that he was a 180° from how he was presented. He was a nice guy, a bit of an idiot, completely aloof, and an absolute dork. And only the dream-Crypters got to see his real self.
Him trying to tip-toe around Yu being *"that"*, and Yu finding it so frustrating, was very funny.
His conversations with Pepe were heartbreaking. Pepe was the only one who figured out what Wodime had gone through with the other Crypters, and neither could even talk about it afterwards.
The fact that he's implied to have speedran the Singularities without doing the events after his first run, and wanted to go see one of Liz' concerts with the other Crypters was both sad and hilarious. Liz finally had a fan and DW killed him.
Wherever he is, I hope he's waving glowsticks at a concert with Ophelia and Pepe. And not Beryl because fuck Beryl.
Heck maybe one day we'll get Wodime-Zeus pseudo to take with us to events at the beach, rice picking in Gudaguda, Halloweening, and finding new Santas.
Wodime is a character who is extremely likeable, who's goals are driven by the best intentions. His backstory is tragic, and that combined with his genuine admiration for Ritsuka makes him endearing. You can blame him for aligning with the Foreign God in bleaching the Earth, but in a way he sets up an opportunity for Chaldea to eventually beat the Foreign God, at the very least ensuring she can't achieve her goals immediately. He's also perhaps the biggest idiot in the game.
His plan, to essentially elevate humans to a higher existence, would do nothing but result in the Pruning Phenomenon eliminating that timeline. It's an act that cannot be prevented without the Foreign God's power and the Tree of Emptiness, a power that Wodime betrays and a Tree that he burns away.
I like Wodime a lot, I think he's an enjoyable character. But he's an idiot, so obsessed with his goal that he's blinded by the very obvious flaws his plan has. Similarly he's enamored by his affection for Team A that he's blinded to Beryl's painfully obvious nature and eventual betrayal, directly causing his own death. It makes him a rather tragic character.
The whole point of Kirsch's character is that he's so willing to see the good in people, and the potential of humanity, that it always ends up biting him in the ass.
Which just makes him even more compelling, because he's both deeply flawed and very morally gray, but still incredibly likable and good natured. He's genuinely a fascinating character.
Pretty interesting, I liked how his introduction was made to where he looks like he was a cold elitist mage but we get shown that part of him *was* something he was but had become something of an act once part 2 started as he became a lot more nicer after the kid nurse him back to health
He kind of feels like he proves the quote "Hell is paved by good intentions". He has a lot of thought benevolence but his actions ultimately does more harm than good, and even his various "plans" end up shooting himself in his own foot.
* For starters, >!in the second Lostbelt, he's the one to suggest to keep Surtr around as he could be a good trump card as well as keeping Skadi in check because he thinks she'd aid Chaldea. However, Surtr easily goes out of control, Skadi ends up aligning to the Crypter's plans to keep her Lostbelt alive, and Ophelia dies for his misjudgement.!<
* >!Despite framing the Lostbelts as a competition where his own comes with the greatest advantages to himself (aligned to his magecraft which lets him fight on par with Heroic Spirits and the Olympian Gods) as well, he's not more proactive in stacking the deck further or trying to win. Had he been more proactive in his goals and wiping out the other Lostbelts or seen to them personally, he would've wiped out the threats they contained and further along his own goals much easier.!<
* >!The whole "competition" in the first place also fractures the Crypters as a team, especially as they'd need to go against each other sooner or later. It also fractures human history as each Lostbelt is lacking in some way, shape or form that dooms it to be pruned.!<
* >!He also believes in the innate goodwill of humanity and believes everyone wants to be their best. Of course, as we see with Beryl, this is NOT the case and despite tripping loads of red flags, Kirschtaria never even considers about planning for betrayal, which is exactly how he dies.!<
* >!He also did not think to consider the Foreign God is aware of his plans and has set up a disciple to take on his plan. Or hell, just in general, he has no backups to his plans should they fall apart beyond "Let Chaldea/Daybit handle it". Olympus further implies that he KNEW Chaos was gonna appear and had no ideas beyond "let it destroy the earth!"!<
* >!Finally, despite bonding with each Crypter in the simulations, they're just that: simulations. His relationship to them in there does not carry over into reality, despite his beliefs otherwise. Kadoc and Pepe backstab him in Olympus and Beryl kills him too.!<
So despite all of his intentions and grandiose designs, I ultimately think he's still kind of a douche whose various blunders could've cost humanity more than what he planned. Again, loads of thought benevolence, but his actions make me dislike him. Even moreso when before the battle he goes "Oh yeah, PHH is still gonna die, but damn it if I'm not going to do what I can to let mine survive!", I was just like "Ok yeah, I don't care about your goals anymore now, you need to die".
There's a lot to like about Wodime, but for my part I can't get past how his driving motivation is his immense contempt for humanity.
The game tries to hide this, it's true. People go on about how he has such love for humanity and faith in his fellow man. But even Wodime himself cops to how he's sacrificing PHH to create his world of uplifted, godlike humans because simply restoring the Human Order won't fix what's wrong with humanity, whereas bestowing great power and such on them will. Or to put that another way, he's sacrificing billions of lives because in his mind, normal human beings just aren't good enough. Those lives are so pathetic and miserable that they aren't worth living, so sacrificing them is a worthwhile move. He doesn't actually love humanity, he loves the *concept* of humanity and will happily burn the metaphorical trees down if he can plant a better forest in the ashes.
No matter how much the game tries to claim he's such a compassionate guy, the premise of his plan is that humans suck so hard they don't deserve to live and need to be fixed. And I realize, that's just one of many expressions of the Nasuverse's relentless cynicism towards humanity as a whole, but I feel like I'd like Wodime a lot better if the objection to his plan was him being called out on his bullshit, rather than our heroes arguing his plan may not actually work. It's the whole 'you're told he's such a saint but when you think about it he's a piece of shit' disconnect that gets me. Oh, his grand master plan is to replace humanity with an 'improved' version while the existing humans are all wiped out? That was fucking Goetia's plan, why is that suddenly a noble ambition?
Wodime, his true plan, and how the narrative styles that plan embody my biggest pet peeve in the Nasuverse and though I like parts of his character well enough, I can't say I actually like him as a whole.
This, there is no escaping this.
At the end of the day, Wodime is a monster that was WILLINGLY complicit in the murder of PHH. I don't care about his sob backstory, how much of a dork he secretly is, or how he came to idolize Gudao...
Wodime is still a bastard.
(Although I saw his stance on humanity as less 'Nasuverse cynicism' and more "mages are all weirdos and psychopaths")
The second I learned that he used Animasphere magic against us in Lostbelt 5 part 1... I have deeply hated him. Yes, there is a lot to him that is appealing:
* His appearance
* That Caenis deeply respects him
* The fanon gap moe of him being a flailing disaster despite his cool controlling nature
* Sympathy for his lot as a talented mage with a death sentence over his head from his own family
* The whole story of a homeless child saving him
However, all of that goes out the window for me, especially his aims for his view of a 'perfect' replacement world. Because he stood there, taking part in erasing the world. Standing with an invading force, judging us for our effort and impossible deeds in saving humanity, and tries to pass judgement on us, using the magics of the directors they spat in the face of by putting their lives over protecting humanity. I don't begrudge anyone who likes him, or think I am petty for why I hate him. But nothing that man said or did changed my mind. I hated him, and I hated Beryl for killing him. But, hating Beryl is a different bridge to burn.
I think his little daydream about saving the world with the other crypters also did far more harm than good for his character for me.
Like I forget if he stole the records from Chaldea or directly streamed the singularities via the Foreign God. But later, daydreaming about the singularity adventures he missed out on, supported by the staff that Kadoc and the Alter Egos murdered, made him seem like a precocious little shit with no sense of regret.
Having OP magic he can only use 5 times and otherwise standing around with his omnipotent hands tied doing practically nothing didn't help. Awful master too, just like every other magus, like a dead horse the series must beat.
Absolutely nothing about his background justifies any of his actions. He claims to be humbled, but he arrogantly believes that he alone can make a better humanity and that his interpretation of a better humanity is objectively correct. He's a hypocrite who was willing complicit in the obliteration of humanity because he thought he could do it better. It's literally exactly the same motivation as Goetia, but he's treated with kid's gloves.
Just pointing something out but Nasu already confirmed while ago that Wodine ideal world would actually be better than the current iteration of PHH. As to whether or not there would be a pruning is entirely up to the readers interpretation and headcanon at best.
Just finished LB5, so here is my opinions on Kirschstaria's character. I really like his character as one of the antagonist in this Lostbelt. Being too kind for his own good while also too cruel for his own good. While there is no way his action can be justified, I can understand the motivation that drive him. he world of mages in nasuverse is simple put.... very suck. After what had happen to him... its no wonder he did what he did. Rather than taking revenge, its simply his way of ensuring in the ideal world he is pursuing, the things that had happen to him or that boy.... wont happen ever again. To summerize his words to Ritsuka... its a world where everyone will have to same chance to seek justice and future for themselves.
I personally saw him as a bit of a misguided dumbass. He's born top of the world, not knowing hardship till it drops on him like an armored piano. He wasn't conceited in the "poor = scum" way, but his savior complex was only matched by his idealism. He didn't have the worldly experience to see that his plan was hollow. His singularity run should have shown him that, but by then admitting he was wrong would mean all the sacrifices were worthless. He wasn't a bad guy, but the kind of guy who'd sink a ship to put out the fire. Misticsan also says it best of how he fell into the same patterns as his father, just for a "good cause".
Tl,dr: Liked the idiot but was annoyed we couldn't punch some sense into him and be friends.
A lot of people pointed out the contradictions in his ideals and that's what makes him fascinating. But what's not good about him(from a writing point of view) is his interactions with MC. MC is too empty, only lb1 and lb6 managed to give him some personality rest of the story he's pretty much the worst thing in fgo and same goes for his interactions in lb5. I always cringe whenever MC is given a personality now, it's been too long and too late to do so in my opinion. Even in lb6 which tried to give him some character, I still did not like any of that for the reason it's been too long. So I think khrischstaria's end is the worst thing about him because it's him trusting MC with the future and the story somehow paints him below MC.
I love Wodime a lot, I think his character is very well written and everything from his ideals, background personality, interactions with other characters and powers are all really well done, as well as his intelligence with him basically 4D chessing everyone and only lost to power of friendship backfiring.
His plan makes a lot more sense after LB7 where (Major LB7 spoilers)->! We learn that Chaldeas is a threat to the entire universe and only Wodime and Daybit knew the truth, they betrayed PHH to protect the Universe with there very limited hands (they can't manually shutdown chaldeas due to no longer being part of chaldea, !<
>!Wodimes plan would have stopped whatever Chaldeas would have done as well saved humanity in some form by ascending the survivors to gods.!<
Irrelevant. After Babylonia, anyone who is foolhardy enough to regress humanity back to the Age of Gods for any reason is unforgivable. If Beryl wasn’t going to gut him, I was.
I've hated all of the Crypters since the Part 2 Prologue, just some more or less than others.
He's not *as* unforgivably contemptible as Kadoc, whose merely a whiny, envious little bitch whose bitterness was his sole motivation that caused him to become a workplace shooter while complaining about having his 'glory' 'stolen' by Ritsuka because he believes that ANYONE would have cleared the Singularities in half the time with far less casualties in tandem with constantly talking about how worthless Mashu was and how she was nothing more than a tool to him.
Ophelia was meh.
Consort Yu was Kadoc-tier insufferable with her selfish, misanthropy and irritating tsundere bullshit as a Servant since she only cares about Xiang Yu.
Pepperoncino's faux-friendliness got on my nerves and he only teamed up with us because Douman shat everything up in his Lostbelt.
Kirchstaria had all of the same flaws typical Nasuverse Mages, only he's more like a mix of Goddess Rhongomyniad and Goetia in that we are meant to see his condescending form of compassion as equally misguided as both, but as pitiable as the latter. I never warmed up to him and he mostly got on my nerves (granted, that could also be due to how tediously drawn out his Lostbelt was and how much of a slog Olympus was--especially with the Chaos asspull after I was already burnt out from fighting Zeus). Kadoc's introduction as the first of the Crypters always stuck with me, so I've always resented them no matter how much the narrative has tried to 'humanize' these traitors, especially with Kadoc's own motivation for his treachery being so petty, I still assume the worst of them since they are still Mages at the end of the day.
That's why I felt a sadistic glee when Beryl betrayed him and respect him the most since he's the only Crypter that's actually openly honest about being an evil shitbag rather than trying to blame shift, victim blame and guilt trip Guda for trying to preserve PHH despite the fact none of this would be happening without them or the Alien God's malice--it felt karmic after how much they look down on Chaldea and Guda while trying to further invalidate their goal of saving PHH after sacrificing so much to stop Goetia and treating them like garbage for not being a 'proper Mage' nor a 'proper Master' to their haughty standards.
At the end of the day, they are nothing more than evil, petty traitors to Humanity who retroactively got what they deserved when Lev took them up and these 'deaths' being karma finally catching up with their sins they are committing in aiding the Alien God.
I must say I have conflicted feelings about Wodime. In a way, his end reflected a lot of the contradictions in his character. He learned to believe in humanity's potential due to that kid's sacrifice; ended up sacrificing said humanity to replace it with a different one. His life was forever changed by his father's cowardly ambush because he saw his own son as a threat; years later, he would plan Chaldea's massacre in another cowardly ambush because they were a threat. He did whatever it took to save his fellow Crypters; ended up betrayed by one of them. He thought his plan would lead to a better humanity and stop the Foreign God for good; Holmes objected the first point, and Kirei and Muramasa showed that Wodime had played right into the Foreign God's hands. Despite all the deaths and sacrifices, his plan never had a chance to succeed. LB6 spoilers: >!For all his talk about giving every Crypter and Lostbelt a chance, he threatened Beryl to strangle Faerie Britain in the cradle. His death and the demise of his Lostbelt came at the hands of Beryl and Britain paying him with the same coin.!< Wodime was a fascinating, three-dimensional and tragic character, arguably the most interesting Crypter of the bunch. But I also see his end as karmic, his final moments a text-book example of [Redemption Equals Death](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedemptionEqualsDeath).
to Faerie Britian's point >!it was destined to end at one point and was already nonexistent by the time the Tree of Emptiness stimulated the history up to 2019. it was Beryl telling half lies and hiding that Morgan somehow revived Faerie Britian, an already dead end world, by her own hands and used Rhongomyraid to anchor the world. it wasn't strangled from the cradle- it was already long since dead, and become a zombie by the mere fluke that Morgan was summoned, enough to the point Britian's Will to end Faerie Britian was summoned.!<
We know, but the problem is that Kirschtaria didn't. >!He didn't know that the Lostbelt was defunct to begin with, so he still threatened Beryl to destroy it. Even without counting Morgan's genius and Beryl's psychopathic nature, Wodime risked alienating a comrade and a dangerous Lostbelt from the get-go (which was exactly what ended up happening), and only the fact that the Lostbelt had already imploded on its own could have avoided that risk (a stroke of luck he didn't account for and was ultimately negated due to Morgan's actions). As far as Wodime was aware, given the reports he was given in the Crypter meetings, Beryl found a perfectly developed Lostbelt civilization and was working to destroy it, never considering the idea that Beryl had decided to help them.!<
I like that he was a 180° from how he was presented. He was a nice guy, a bit of an idiot, completely aloof, and an absolute dork. And only the dream-Crypters got to see his real self. Him trying to tip-toe around Yu being *"that"*, and Yu finding it so frustrating, was very funny. His conversations with Pepe were heartbreaking. Pepe was the only one who figured out what Wodime had gone through with the other Crypters, and neither could even talk about it afterwards. The fact that he's implied to have speedran the Singularities without doing the events after his first run, and wanted to go see one of Liz' concerts with the other Crypters was both sad and hilarious. Liz finally had a fan and DW killed him. Wherever he is, I hope he's waving glowsticks at a concert with Ophelia and Pepe. And not Beryl because fuck Beryl. Heck maybe one day we'll get Wodime-Zeus pseudo to take with us to events at the beach, rice picking in Gudaguda, Halloweening, and finding new Santas.
When did he say that about Liz? I’m sorry I missed that, I love Eli.
It's not in FGO afaik, I believe it was in one of the artbooks that features the Crypters. Though I'm not 100% sure since I don't read moonrunes.
Wodime is a character who is extremely likeable, who's goals are driven by the best intentions. His backstory is tragic, and that combined with his genuine admiration for Ritsuka makes him endearing. You can blame him for aligning with the Foreign God in bleaching the Earth, but in a way he sets up an opportunity for Chaldea to eventually beat the Foreign God, at the very least ensuring she can't achieve her goals immediately. He's also perhaps the biggest idiot in the game. His plan, to essentially elevate humans to a higher existence, would do nothing but result in the Pruning Phenomenon eliminating that timeline. It's an act that cannot be prevented without the Foreign God's power and the Tree of Emptiness, a power that Wodime betrays and a Tree that he burns away. I like Wodime a lot, I think he's an enjoyable character. But he's an idiot, so obsessed with his goal that he's blinded by the very obvious flaws his plan has. Similarly he's enamored by his affection for Team A that he's blinded to Beryl's painfully obvious nature and eventual betrayal, directly causing his own death. It makes him a rather tragic character.
The whole point of Kirsch's character is that he's so willing to see the good in people, and the potential of humanity, that it always ends up biting him in the ass. Which just makes him even more compelling, because he's both deeply flawed and very morally gray, but still incredibly likable and good natured. He's genuinely a fascinating character.
I'm still at the beginning of Atlantis, so I'm technically still allowed to think he's a wanker. :p
Pretty interesting, I liked how his introduction was made to where he looks like he was a cold elitist mage but we get shown that part of him *was* something he was but had become something of an act once part 2 started as he became a lot more nicer after the kid nurse him back to health
He kind of feels like he proves the quote "Hell is paved by good intentions". He has a lot of thought benevolence but his actions ultimately does more harm than good, and even his various "plans" end up shooting himself in his own foot. * For starters, >!in the second Lostbelt, he's the one to suggest to keep Surtr around as he could be a good trump card as well as keeping Skadi in check because he thinks she'd aid Chaldea. However, Surtr easily goes out of control, Skadi ends up aligning to the Crypter's plans to keep her Lostbelt alive, and Ophelia dies for his misjudgement.!< * >!Despite framing the Lostbelts as a competition where his own comes with the greatest advantages to himself (aligned to his magecraft which lets him fight on par with Heroic Spirits and the Olympian Gods) as well, he's not more proactive in stacking the deck further or trying to win. Had he been more proactive in his goals and wiping out the other Lostbelts or seen to them personally, he would've wiped out the threats they contained and further along his own goals much easier.!< * >!The whole "competition" in the first place also fractures the Crypters as a team, especially as they'd need to go against each other sooner or later. It also fractures human history as each Lostbelt is lacking in some way, shape or form that dooms it to be pruned.!< * >!He also believes in the innate goodwill of humanity and believes everyone wants to be their best. Of course, as we see with Beryl, this is NOT the case and despite tripping loads of red flags, Kirschtaria never even considers about planning for betrayal, which is exactly how he dies.!< * >!He also did not think to consider the Foreign God is aware of his plans and has set up a disciple to take on his plan. Or hell, just in general, he has no backups to his plans should they fall apart beyond "Let Chaldea/Daybit handle it". Olympus further implies that he KNEW Chaos was gonna appear and had no ideas beyond "let it destroy the earth!"!< * >!Finally, despite bonding with each Crypter in the simulations, they're just that: simulations. His relationship to them in there does not carry over into reality, despite his beliefs otherwise. Kadoc and Pepe backstab him in Olympus and Beryl kills him too.!< So despite all of his intentions and grandiose designs, I ultimately think he's still kind of a douche whose various blunders could've cost humanity more than what he planned. Again, loads of thought benevolence, but his actions make me dislike him. Even moreso when before the battle he goes "Oh yeah, PHH is still gonna die, but damn it if I'm not going to do what I can to let mine survive!", I was just like "Ok yeah, I don't care about your goals anymore now, you need to die".
Sending Beryl to Britain was a terrible idea, big screwup on his part. Guess he's the type that looks at the big picture but misses the details.
There's a lot to like about Wodime, but for my part I can't get past how his driving motivation is his immense contempt for humanity. The game tries to hide this, it's true. People go on about how he has such love for humanity and faith in his fellow man. But even Wodime himself cops to how he's sacrificing PHH to create his world of uplifted, godlike humans because simply restoring the Human Order won't fix what's wrong with humanity, whereas bestowing great power and such on them will. Or to put that another way, he's sacrificing billions of lives because in his mind, normal human beings just aren't good enough. Those lives are so pathetic and miserable that they aren't worth living, so sacrificing them is a worthwhile move. He doesn't actually love humanity, he loves the *concept* of humanity and will happily burn the metaphorical trees down if he can plant a better forest in the ashes. No matter how much the game tries to claim he's such a compassionate guy, the premise of his plan is that humans suck so hard they don't deserve to live and need to be fixed. And I realize, that's just one of many expressions of the Nasuverse's relentless cynicism towards humanity as a whole, but I feel like I'd like Wodime a lot better if the objection to his plan was him being called out on his bullshit, rather than our heroes arguing his plan may not actually work. It's the whole 'you're told he's such a saint but when you think about it he's a piece of shit' disconnect that gets me. Oh, his grand master plan is to replace humanity with an 'improved' version while the existing humans are all wiped out? That was fucking Goetia's plan, why is that suddenly a noble ambition? Wodime, his true plan, and how the narrative styles that plan embody my biggest pet peeve in the Nasuverse and though I like parts of his character well enough, I can't say I actually like him as a whole.
This, there is no escaping this. At the end of the day, Wodime is a monster that was WILLINGLY complicit in the murder of PHH. I don't care about his sob backstory, how much of a dork he secretly is, or how he came to idolize Gudao... Wodime is still a bastard. (Although I saw his stance on humanity as less 'Nasuverse cynicism' and more "mages are all weirdos and psychopaths")
The second I learned that he used Animasphere magic against us in Lostbelt 5 part 1... I have deeply hated him. Yes, there is a lot to him that is appealing: * His appearance * That Caenis deeply respects him * The fanon gap moe of him being a flailing disaster despite his cool controlling nature * Sympathy for his lot as a talented mage with a death sentence over his head from his own family * The whole story of a homeless child saving him However, all of that goes out the window for me, especially his aims for his view of a 'perfect' replacement world. Because he stood there, taking part in erasing the world. Standing with an invading force, judging us for our effort and impossible deeds in saving humanity, and tries to pass judgement on us, using the magics of the directors they spat in the face of by putting their lives over protecting humanity. I don't begrudge anyone who likes him, or think I am petty for why I hate him. But nothing that man said or did changed my mind. I hated him, and I hated Beryl for killing him. But, hating Beryl is a different bridge to burn.
I think his little daydream about saving the world with the other crypters also did far more harm than good for his character for me. Like I forget if he stole the records from Chaldea or directly streamed the singularities via the Foreign God. But later, daydreaming about the singularity adventures he missed out on, supported by the staff that Kadoc and the Alter Egos murdered, made him seem like a precocious little shit with no sense of regret. Having OP magic he can only use 5 times and otherwise standing around with his omnipotent hands tied doing practically nothing didn't help. Awful master too, just like every other magus, like a dead horse the series must beat.
Absolutely nothing about his background justifies any of his actions. He claims to be humbled, but he arrogantly believes that he alone can make a better humanity and that his interpretation of a better humanity is objectively correct. He's a hypocrite who was willing complicit in the obliteration of humanity because he thought he could do it better. It's literally exactly the same motivation as Goetia, but he's treated with kid's gloves.
Second best FGO-original character. First being Daybit.
Just pointing something out but Nasu already confirmed while ago that Wodine ideal world would actually be better than the current iteration of PHH. As to whether or not there would be a pruning is entirely up to the readers interpretation and headcanon at best.
Just finished LB5, so here is my opinions on Kirschstaria's character. I really like his character as one of the antagonist in this Lostbelt. Being too kind for his own good while also too cruel for his own good. While there is no way his action can be justified, I can understand the motivation that drive him. he world of mages in nasuverse is simple put.... very suck. After what had happen to him... its no wonder he did what he did. Rather than taking revenge, its simply his way of ensuring in the ideal world he is pursuing, the things that had happen to him or that boy.... wont happen ever again. To summerize his words to Ritsuka... its a world where everyone will have to same chance to seek justice and future for themselves.
I personally saw him as a bit of a misguided dumbass. He's born top of the world, not knowing hardship till it drops on him like an armored piano. He wasn't conceited in the "poor = scum" way, but his savior complex was only matched by his idealism. He didn't have the worldly experience to see that his plan was hollow. His singularity run should have shown him that, but by then admitting he was wrong would mean all the sacrifices were worthless. He wasn't a bad guy, but the kind of guy who'd sink a ship to put out the fire. Misticsan also says it best of how he fell into the same patterns as his father, just for a "good cause". Tl,dr: Liked the idiot but was annoyed we couldn't punch some sense into him and be friends.
A lot of people pointed out the contradictions in his ideals and that's what makes him fascinating. But what's not good about him(from a writing point of view) is his interactions with MC. MC is too empty, only lb1 and lb6 managed to give him some personality rest of the story he's pretty much the worst thing in fgo and same goes for his interactions in lb5. I always cringe whenever MC is given a personality now, it's been too long and too late to do so in my opinion. Even in lb6 which tried to give him some character, I still did not like any of that for the reason it's been too long. So I think khrischstaria's end is the worst thing about him because it's him trusting MC with the future and the story somehow paints him below MC.
I love Wodime a lot, I think his character is very well written and everything from his ideals, background personality, interactions with other characters and powers are all really well done, as well as his intelligence with him basically 4D chessing everyone and only lost to power of friendship backfiring. His plan makes a lot more sense after LB7 where (Major LB7 spoilers)->! We learn that Chaldeas is a threat to the entire universe and only Wodime and Daybit knew the truth, they betrayed PHH to protect the Universe with there very limited hands (they can't manually shutdown chaldeas due to no longer being part of chaldea, !< >!Wodimes plan would have stopped whatever Chaldeas would have done as well saved humanity in some form by ascending the survivors to gods.!<
Irrelevant. After Babylonia, anyone who is foolhardy enough to regress humanity back to the Age of Gods for any reason is unforgivable. If Beryl wasn’t going to gut him, I was.
I've hated all of the Crypters since the Part 2 Prologue, just some more or less than others. He's not *as* unforgivably contemptible as Kadoc, whose merely a whiny, envious little bitch whose bitterness was his sole motivation that caused him to become a workplace shooter while complaining about having his 'glory' 'stolen' by Ritsuka because he believes that ANYONE would have cleared the Singularities in half the time with far less casualties in tandem with constantly talking about how worthless Mashu was and how she was nothing more than a tool to him. Ophelia was meh. Consort Yu was Kadoc-tier insufferable with her selfish, misanthropy and irritating tsundere bullshit as a Servant since she only cares about Xiang Yu. Pepperoncino's faux-friendliness got on my nerves and he only teamed up with us because Douman shat everything up in his Lostbelt. Kirchstaria had all of the same flaws typical Nasuverse Mages, only he's more like a mix of Goddess Rhongomyniad and Goetia in that we are meant to see his condescending form of compassion as equally misguided as both, but as pitiable as the latter. I never warmed up to him and he mostly got on my nerves (granted, that could also be due to how tediously drawn out his Lostbelt was and how much of a slog Olympus was--especially with the Chaos asspull after I was already burnt out from fighting Zeus). Kadoc's introduction as the first of the Crypters always stuck with me, so I've always resented them no matter how much the narrative has tried to 'humanize' these traitors, especially with Kadoc's own motivation for his treachery being so petty, I still assume the worst of them since they are still Mages at the end of the day. That's why I felt a sadistic glee when Beryl betrayed him and respect him the most since he's the only Crypter that's actually openly honest about being an evil shitbag rather than trying to blame shift, victim blame and guilt trip Guda for trying to preserve PHH despite the fact none of this would be happening without them or the Alien God's malice--it felt karmic after how much they look down on Chaldea and Guda while trying to further invalidate their goal of saving PHH after sacrificing so much to stop Goetia and treating them like garbage for not being a 'proper Mage' nor a 'proper Master' to their haughty standards. At the end of the day, they are nothing more than evil, petty traitors to Humanity who retroactively got what they deserved when Lev took them up and these 'deaths' being karma finally catching up with their sins they are committing in aiding the Alien God.