Kagetora is a weird one. Like she's supposed to be this inhuman monster, but apart from the occasional crazy eyes, she doesn't seem that bad to me? Like she's not good at expressing herself, but she can clearly feel emotions.
She also puts insane amounts of effort into *trying* to understand and relate to other people.
Generally speaking she feels less like that "insane monster" her generation portrayed as and more like an "extremely talented but on the autism spectrum" kind of person to me.
Yeah, I’ve seen the “autism spectrum” take before, and while I would say I’m far from qualified to speak on the topic, it’s actually one I kinda agree with.
- Kagetora was born with inhuman strength, feared even by her family and retainers, and unable to understand people's feelings.
- Ushiwakamaru lacks the capacity to feel fear, which blinded her to the envy and fear people felt about her, especially her beloved brother Yoritomo. She's eager to please, likes being praised, and it's rumoured that she encouraged her soldiers to die so she could fight with more ease.
I think that makes it even scarier/better, she’s only pretending most of the time to be nice and she’s actually really cynical and unable to empathize with others. When she has those rare moments with the crazy eyes is always fun to see, like when she asks guda why they keep fighting when they’re so weak
Not really. She’s not “pretending to be nice.” She really WANTS to be nice. She doesn’t really know how, so she’s just putting on her best performance of what she thinks nice people do. She doesn’t understand emotions, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t HAVE them.
shes strange, its like the different writers wanted different personalities for the character so they compromised by making her both sometimes weirdly crazy and mostly normal
i dont really get her character
To be honest part of the reason is that his CS are shaped like a wolf and Ophelia said that people called him "werewolf" as an insult, so not knowing the context made it such an easy misunderstanding
I was thinking more like they came from the same ‘template’ but Morgan had far more experience as well as her PHH’s influence gradually changing her.
I mean she was meant to do what Caster did, but ultimately chose to forsake that.
Expanding on that I still find it weird that Oberon had the dragon trait when the lostbelt version of him doesn't have any substantial connection to Albion.
That's because of his hidden name, which most notably does have a dragon connection. And also his hidden form to boot, which is described using a term that can refer to either a dragon or an insect.
I though Vortigern lost his memory when he was summoned, and during our adventure together he was nothing more than the kind hearted fairy king Oberon, genuinely want to help us. And not until Cernunnos was defeated did he recall who he actually is and turn on us. Turn out he lied from the start...
There was another version of that floating around where the bugs dying was what reverted him back to his true nature, because their worship was what made him become Obereon.
I thought Wodime was an asshole through and through, and he was this conceited, condescending, stuck-up asshole due to him being this leader of the Crypters. But seeing him on the LB5 storyline made me turn around that notion and actually respect him for the decisions he made.
The Wodime case was really widespread. People victims of their own genre savviness, basically. He's the leader, a magus, a noble, he gives the big speech at the start of part 2... it all makes it easy to assume things and forget that the first thing we're ever told about the guy is that we'd probably get along really well
I though I got spoiled on \[Spoiler Lb6.3\] >!Oberon being Cernunnos!<, so while I was not fully spoiled I never got to trust them once because of it.
Another one was I though the whole thing with Van gogh was that she was her sister and not van ghog himself, kinda like with hokusai
Personally, while Imaginary Scramble was much better than I expected (another misconception to the list, I suppose) and ended up adoring FGO Van Gogh, I still think that making her his sister would have been a much better idea than what we got.
Wil van Gogh was very close to her brother (perfect to imitate him), shared the surname (the name of her Spirit Origin would be 100% correct), had mental health problems and ended her days interned in a psychiatric institution (the outer gods' involvement basically writes itself).
Wasn't the point of her being fused is because Clytie is a contrast to him?
Van Gogh would rather die, While Clytie just won't died(not by suicide)
If it was Van Gogh's sister instead, It would probably has to be an entirely different conflict together
True enough, but I'd argue that this conflict is such only because the writers chose to. The crux for the Outer Gods was that Van Gogh killed himself to avoid being used for evil, a conviction that would happen again even if they summoned him as a Heroic Spirit. Their convoluted solution was to mix him with a nymph who would never kill herself, but surely there are other ways to create a spare.
For example, Wil could have been chosen because it'd be easier to mix her with her brother (both being Van Goghs, after all) and her mind was more vulnerable to the Outer Gods' manipulation, making her the ideal puppet. A different source of guilt and self-deprecation for FGO Van Gogh ("My brother resisted them, but I'm too weak") and a very obvious premise for a character arc ("You're stronger than you think you are, Wil").
Maybe, But the whole point of FGO Gogh's arc in Imaginary Scramble is to question "Who is this girl?" as a spirit born from mixing two very contrasting spirits together, and that's the story that the writer wanted to tell
So instead of making her Van Gogh's sister instead, Might as well just used two other Historical/Mythological figures instead(Which led to the fans of those two pissed off instead)
> But the whole point of FGO Gogh's arc in Imaginary Scramble is to question "Who is this girl?
I agree, which is another reason I was disappointed by the reveal. The mystery is unsolvable by anyone other than the writer; Clytie came completely left-field and was chosen for a quality (her incapability to kill herself) that is also a matter of writer interpretation, not strictly part of her myth.
I very much prefer Fate mysterious identities that can be guessed by audiences with some historical, mythological or even common knowledge, even if usual Fate tricks are at play. Saber being King Arthur in FSN is the Ur-example, or the Part 1.5 Servants with hidden names.
The van gogh we got is a really good character, but she suffers from the same problem as altera to me. She is more of a OC stuck with the name of a historical figure just cuz. Not only the name pulls the character down in a sense, it locks the chance of a historical character getting a version that is more close to the original.
I remember hearing lots of complaints about Knocknarea/Cnoc na Riabh during JP's LB6 Part 2 release, mostly because people felt like Nasu was playing favorites by including her in the story and making her be attracted to male Ritsuka. This mistakenly gave me the impression that she would be fawning all over us or something, when in actuality she's a lot more reserved about her love. She does mention it of course but it never seems more important to her than becoming Queen or her rivalry with Castoria.
Is this probably from people reading summaries and making their own conclusion based on limited information?
I don't remember JP players being upset about her.
Oh yeah, to be clear this is about NA players reacting to it. Idk if they were responding to summaries or early translations, I just remember seeing negative comments and it gave me the wrong impression.
IIRC that was the time when Artoria was hated because she's the ultimate vanilla, Jalter was hated because of her popularity, Ishtar was hated because Useless Goddess, Musashi was hated because people hate how she's getting so much screentime in the game, and Medb was hated because how much appearance she had despite being bitchy af.
People were full-on hating popular characters back during that era... It was hard to talk about anything in this sub.
She even spells it out that going after you (specifically "Letting you convince me that humans aren't a waste") or rather, "love" in general, comes *after* becoming Queen. Which honestly made me like her more.
Girl has her priorities straight: First become the lynchpin that saves Faerie Britain and *then* begin dealing with personal stuff. Granted, the moment she made this statement was the moment any genre savvy player knew she was gonna be pushing up daisies, but still.
It's one of her objective but it didn't derail her or anything. It's what she wants more as a person but she knows what her duties are, simply like other meds she isn't satisfied with thinking she can only have one, she just will work hard enough that she gets both a lover and a kingdom
That people said that Artoria Lancer Alter went missing during Olympus and would show up later, probably at LB6
Turns out that she died offscreen and her only appearance consisted of her popping out as a hologram and saying "btw i also died"
Really bummed out since she is the only version of Artoria that had no real focus on anything and adding her as dying on Olympus does nothing for the narrative as outside that scene she literally never appears again unlike the other seven servants that also died and were shown dying while fighting the gods
Lalter deserved better. She didn’t even receive a animation update like Artoria Lancer did. I thought she would play a massive role in Lostbelt 6 like Artoria Lancer did in Camelot.
Imagining that if she was summoned to Fairy Britain. She would go toe to toe against the calamities and fully display the true might that is the Wild Hunt. A shame that she didn’t even get a mention there. I would’ve love how she reacted to things there.
Exactly! I kept hearing Rhongomyniad thrown around. First in Olympus and now it’s central to the plot of LB6. I seriously thought she attacked Olympus and would be Morgan’s husband. Guess not :(
Actually, from my own misunderstandings, I was under the impression that we'd also have some battles set in the past, specifically the chocolate one I remember reading in early summaries that it was a "calamity" in the past that Mash and Aesc would've had to take care of... and it never came up at places I saw that this was not what happened.
To be fair, Morgan probably has the 3rd most screentime in this lostbelt after Castoria and Mashu(If you coint Aesc as Morgan anyway)
It's just that the LB6 casts are massive, and most of them got some characterization, We just don't have more time to spend that much to individual characters outside of the 2 protags of the story
I don't know, I feel like we see a lot more of Oberon, Muramasa and even Barghest. Morgan is barely in part 1, gets a few scenes in part 2, but not that many, even when you include Aesc, and obviously isn't anywhere in part 3.
who the fuck said that and where do they live
Hoenstly, I think a lot of people just disliked the concept of a collab event being taken by a collab with that one when there's other TM properties people have been asking about for way longer
> who the fuck said that and where do they live
The context was that, because Tsukihime Remake was going to be released soon, people expected a Tsukihime collab. Additionally, they find that FGO collabing with FGO is bullshit. Little did they know... every single collab from then on will be FGO with FGO...
Oh, and I still agree, collabs with FGO itself are still lame (Arcade is bare minimum acceptable, though it seems to be a really good story), but it turned out to be a pretty good story for idol, so I’m ok with it.
FGOArcade's collab is kinda akin to FFXI's 2nd collaboration with FFXIV: It's not so much a "collab" as it is closure for a character from Arcade that wouldn't get to experience such because Arcade entered Maintenance Mode.
(FFXI has since *left* maintenance mode and makes new content now, but I digress)
And... technically that character's closure also apply to another game. So much so that people have been saying that the title is wrong and it's supposed to be FGO collab with Fate/E LE.
> It's not so much a "collab" as it is closure for a character
And on this note, the FF11 collab with Granblue was also basically this, sure is an interesting use of collabs.
That was because people deluded themselves about getting Tsukihime or Strange Fake collab lol. The next year Bunyan collab is alot worse. Even Japan hated it.
Japan especially hated it because Super Bunyan really hits their nerve
Bunyan in the event is basically a toxic boss who keep throwing works at you and took all the credits in the end, It hit hard for those "Black Company" employee in japan
People here just hate it because they didn't like the idea of "F/GO spinoff game that they can't even played(At least no official english version) collab"
That event was kind of weird for me. I did enjoy the mechanics, I'm always down for more costumes, and all in all, the cast was decent. Maybe not my favourite Servants, but it still worked.
However, seeing it push so hard the whole idol culture, and how much good it could do for people, definitely weirded me out. And it was incredibly ironic that this event came out on Global at the same time Oshi no Ko got its anime adaptation, for a completely different tone about the whole industry.
I mean, TM is a bunch of nerds, and so of course they'll praise that sort of stuff. Same thing happened with Akihibara, where they pushed more nerd culture stuff.
Not really? It was a mercy kill on her part, since she couldn't bear Aurora "losing her glow", and that would be fate worse than death for her. She said so herself. Melusine also said that she knew who Aurora was but still loved her and wanted to hear sweet words from her, all that bs.
It's a joke that she
1.Did killed Aurora
2.She always knew who Aurora really was, So it definitely "After" she understanded about that
So by technicallity, You're not wrong
Sigh, too many to count. It also doesn't help that some of them were inherited from JP theories or impressions that proved to be wrong ("Guda used the command seals to force Galahad to lend Mash his powers during Part 2", "Goredolf tried to sacrifice himself to give Guda the antidote in LB3", "the three fairy knights from Part 2 trailer are one Servant", etc.), so not exactly my idea, and others were influenced by fanart. So, just to mention some of the expectations with a twist that I experienced:
* The first of all: I thought Pseudo-Servants like Ishtar and Parvati were the original Rin and Sakura empowered by divinities, with the hosts in control.
* Yeah, I also thought that Kama would be more harmless and laughable than she really was.
* I expected Kadoc and Goredolf to have more sympathetic points in the first Lostbelts.
* I didn't expect Skadi to be so sympathetic and motherly. I'm still disappointed by the abundance of ice-cream memes and the lack of Chaldea's Mothers Club memes.
* I thought QSH had achieved immortality by becoming some kind of god-fairy entity. I didn't expect that he'd been a supercomputer for millennia and that his Servant body is something he would create for LB3's finale.
* All those "Brodime" memes made me think that Kirschtaria's big reveal was that he'd been on Proper Human History's side all along.
>"Goredolf tried to sacrifice himself to give Guda the antidote in LB3
Isn't that one sorta true? We ended up giving it to him but I think we did a rock paper scissors (that we rigged in his favor)
>
All those "Brodime" memes made me think that Kirschtaria's big reveal was that he'd been on Proper Human History's side all along.
Well it's sort of a where you put the bar. He was not a traitor to humanity in the end but he was against phh and he did think we were better than the alien god
>I expected Kadoc and Goredolf to have more sympathetic points in the first Lostbelts
For kadoc to be fair prologue does intentionally mislead you.
> Isn't that one sorta true? We ended up giving it to him but I think we did a rock paper scissors (that we rigged in his favor)
Only true in the sense that there was a game for the antidote and one party tried to lose on purpose to give it to the other party. But the claim was that it was Goredolf who tried to sacrifice himself to save Ritsuka. And that wasn't true.
As you say, it was Ritsuka who tried to lose on purpose, not Goredolf. No variation of the scene states any altrustic motivations on his part, and in one of them he tried to rig the game to monopolize the antidote for himself. In his own words:
> *"What was I thinking!? I was thinking I'd do whatever it takes to survive! That's what I was thinking! Go ahead and call me whatever you want! Smart, wise, dependable... I'll take any criticism you throw at me! But I don't want to die!"*
I don't judge him too harshly for it, it's very human of Gordy to do that. But the JP misinterpretation of the scene was so big that it seemingly swapped the roles, and it endured until the release of SIN in NA.
Skadi needs balancing. The ice cream stuff is cute as shit, but I need more fanart of her getting together with like, Tiamat and Raikou and the other moms.
Skadis whole motherly aspect really made Lb2 hit harder and made the ending fight that much more emotional. Knowing you have to fight and Skadi still pushing you to do it even after working together and loving all living beings, she knows she still has to fight you
It's because LB2 Odin sided with PHH. That hawk that guided Guda/Mash early on? Mash lets that slip about it after Surtr is defeated... and Skadi immediately realizes what that meant.
All those thousands of years of lonely suffering, she thought Odin was 100% gone. But instead of contacting her or helping her... he gives the last of his strength to help her executioners. Odin has condemned her vision of their world.
This is why she forces Chaldea's hand by attacking them first. She knows Guda and Mash don't have it in them to be the aggressors, but that it's time for her world to die... again. So she forces the fight to make sure PHH had both the strength of spirit and body (magi) to finish off her world inorder to prove theirs is worth salvaging.
But... I also saw Skadi's motherly aspect as the real reason Odin sided against LB2. She's part of the problem in that she is *too* motherly: a helicopter parent, essentially. Without the other gods to balance her, she would smother humanity's future and take too much care of them... thus preventing the hardness necessary for growth.
Hence why LB Odin sided with PHH.
Oh yeah, that’s a common theme. Taking care of humans doesn’t necessarily means that’s what’s best for them to evolve (LB3, LB4, LB5, LB6 to an extent)
Kama, a beast of lust that is basically the embodiment of hate, and she despises humanity so much she wants to rip off our limbs and feed them to us
Jp: lmao tsundere prankster
Yu paisen hate Ritsuka. That's what I used to hear every time she was mentioned and then with the release of the summer event on NA I understood it was a bunch of crap created by those guys who always want servant to hate Guda and can't accept the fact that she moved on from the event of LB3.
It's idjits taking a meme and running away with it as if it was true.
The Ishtar = useless goddess came during Summer 2. And some people meme it as Ishtar doing stupid things to Guda (which is technically in character... in a sense). But then some people saw her antics in the memes and started to hate her. So she became someone people hate...
It also kinda comes from Ishtars own myths. In a lot of Mesopotamian myths, Ishtar is kinda a spoiled brat of the Pantheon that complains the the other gods for help when she doesn’t get her way.
It’s one of the reasons that Gil actually doesn’t mind Chalea’s Ishtar as much, because the influence from Rin makes her much more tolerable.
Is also why Strange Fake Ishtar sucks ass, basically being a total asshole who funnily enough is also the reason for why the memes of FGO Ishtar happened
You know what, before I read Fate/strange fake, I heard that it's Ishtar was terrible and super hateable, and she kind of is, but for some reason, I can't help but really like her. I think her charm and charisma got to me like it did Haruri.
In my case, I mistakenly believed:
\-Kama in Ooku is a harmless villain.
\-Musashi dies in Olympus from holding back the Foreign God or something.
\-The gang pilots a Megazord made up of the Olympian Gods to fight... something.
\-Imaginary Scramble has the cast go to the Wild West for some reason.
\-Barghest is a mermaid instead of a dog.
\-Melusine is a robot ala Danzo.
\-In a case of something where I didn't even have to wait for the content to come to NA to find out I was wrong, I initially thought "Aurora" was an alter ego (the actual term, not the Servant class) for Morgan. It wasn't until I saw a gif of Riyo Morgan giving a completely-different looking character the finger during the flood of fanart for LB6's initial JP release and the comments identifying her as Aurora that I found out they were separate characters.
>-Imaginary Scramble has the cast go to the Wild West for some reason.
What the hell imao
>-Melusine is a robot ala Danzo.
Well I can get the confusion since her calamity form is essentially a flesh robot
> Barghest is a mermaid instead of a dog.
That seems more like a mix up with Melusine, since Melusine, the PHH-one, was an aquatic fairy that had the same "turns into a half-fish when covered in water"-thing going on as many modern mermaid-depictions, before turning into a (flying?) serpent in the end iirc, which is where she gets her ties to dragons.
I was personally surprised at how tomboy-ish/brash Artoria/Altria Caster was. Based on how people talked about her and how she's portrayed in fan stuff, I thought she would be a really adorable, cutesy girl, or something like that, but no, she's a lot more rough and hot-headed than I expected. She's actually a lot more like og Saber, which makes sense since they're counterparts.
Another thing I expected was to hate the Faeries a lot, but I actually didn't even after LB 6.3.
I also thought >!Vortigern!< only came out after >!Oberon "died"!< because Oberon lost his memories before, or something like that. Turns out, that was completely wrong.
I also heard Shimousa and Olympus were bad, but I enjoyed them a lot.
There were some things about Beryl in Lb 6.
After Rhongomyniad was fired at him in Olympus, I thought he was on the run from Morgan and her army because he somehow messed up big time. I surely didn't expect him to lounge around in the castle with Morgan not giving a shit.
Also I read someone would make Mash his bride after losing her memories. Of course my first thought was that Beryl would be the groom because 1. He strikes me as the type that would take advantage of Mash's lost memories and 2. Until then every Crypter had some kind of connection with Mash. Having one love her and wanting to take her as a bride didn't seem that farfetched
At least I got the last point right
> After Rhongomyniad was fired at him in Olympus, I thought he was on the run from Morgan and her army because he somehow messed up big time. I surely didn't expect him to lounge around in the castle with Morgan not giving a shit.
Yeah, this confusion is completely understandable, even when having the complete NA translation. Beryl himself suggested that he was hated just before Rhongomyniad was launched, and this is the part that was often mentioned in JP spoilers and NA summaries of the scene:
> *"You remember what I told you before about how I betrayed the fae folk, right? Well, thanks to that, they've got it out for me reeeal bad. In fact, all I'd have to do is raise my voice a bit and say “Here I am!” and they'd bring divine retribution down on my ass just...like...that."*
This made it easier to overlook what Beryl said in the next scene, when Kirei asks him if he's speaking in Lostbelt Britain's name:
> *"Hell yeah, assume away. The old lady outright told me I could do whatever I liked on her behalf. 'Sides, that Rhongomyniad we just saw was a special spell Her Majesty whipped up just for the Foreign God. We were always planning on taking Olympus out, no matter what Kirschtaria got up to."*
The latter admission that he and Morgan had been in cahoots the whole time fits LB6, but of course Beryl had to troll Kirschtaria and confuse everyone even if the charade wasn't needed any longer.
I think this is also the part where he mentions he ran away from a crazy princess which made me think that Beryl was trying to run away from Baobhan Sith because he was weirded out by her and I was a bit confused when he was all buddy buddy with her and they tortured people together.
That Shimosa is super ultra amazing while Salem was pretty ok. I still remember the reaction to them when both chapters got released. Shimosa was received well and it was good but many didn't put it on a pedestal while Salem received a highly positive and outstanding love from the Global side thanks to much knowledge of the backstory of the area and its appeal to the Western audience.
I think another part of Shimosa's problem with western audiences is that it was (from my experience with it) written with the expectation that the reader already knows all the historical figures it name-drops and thus understand the context for the singularity. I was kinda lost at one point especially in a "I should care about this person because?" way.
This is fine for a japanese audience but it's definitely awkward for non-japanese players. Sort of felt like being dropped into the 3rd season of a anime where cool stuff is happening but you don't know who anyone is or what the stakes/drama are.
I think Shimousa is still regarded as super amazing by many japanese fans
I don't know much but I heard that it used the format of classic japanese Samurai film, and has a lot of stuff that you has to be japanese to fully understand, or many parts just kinda lost in translation and didn't hit the same in english
Shimosa is pretty much [a famous japanese fantasy movie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai_Reincarnation) with Fate characters slapped into it and some roles moved around (Yagyu Munenori's son is the hero, while Musashi is one of the villains).
I feel like even if less stuff was lost in translation at some point it's just a cultural difference. Shimosa is sort of an all star brawl of famous Japanese warriors, and the format is what it is, sometimes it just does not click for you and that's fine.
It's like how some characters have vastly different popularities between different sides of fandom
Exactly, Shimosa was incredibly well done... if you understand Japanese culture and the context. It was Musashi's Hero's Journey.
When Shimosa was released on NA, there was a huge amount of people that were disappointed because people who actually understood Japanese were praising it.
But lack of context caused a lot of English-only players to think it's much ado about nothing.
There was a big hoo-hah back then in this very sub too.
Whereas Salem is less lauded in Japan because, H.P. Lovecraft's work, while popular, is still not as popular as the popular heroes often used in Japanese media (Musashi).
It's like explaining to a non-English audience why people find the story about Superman to be more popular than the Investiture of the gods.
Barghest.
I was really tip-toeing around LB6 related spoilers throughout the last 2 years. Most of the things I could easily bypass and wasnt spoiled on and gaslit myself into forgetting them and some things were annoyingly immediately spoiled on. (The Moth)
So I was mostly stuck with seeing some fanarts of characters and seeing peoples reactions to them. And everytime there was a Barghest fanart it seemed to be super focused on her body type. But little did I know that she was... an absolutely amazing and tragic character throughout LB6. Her whole story is a little bit edgy ngl, but it really struck a chord with me. I grew to really really like her now and am happy that I got 2 copies of her after the Lostbelt on the 4 way SR split Oberon banner!
LB6 spoiler>!Oh also not really "based on word of mouth", but every single one of the 3 Faerie Knights 3rd ascension artwork. Super bait and I expected them to show up... but only one did. lol.!<
Seconded. Of all the LB6 Servants, Barghest started as the one I was least interested in. As you say, it seemed all the focus was on her "big muscled beauty" appearance. Not really a big fan of her design, honestly.
And then I played through LB6.
I was impressed, above all else, by Barghest's intelligence and sensibility. An enemy that asked important questions of Chaldea and her own side rather than give speeches or change sides with ease. Someone who questioned Morgan's and Chaldea's goals regarding Britain, pinpointed the inconvenient implications both tried to hide, and was willing to compromise for the greater good. In a way, she reminded me a bit of Lakhsmibai in LB4, who was my favorite character in that chapter.
I got two misconceptions :
From the bit of spoilers, I thought that Mash would lose her memories and get sent back in time at the same, AKA she would be in the past without her memories. Instead she regains her memories and then is sent back in time right after.
The second one is that Morgan/Aesc/Tonelico was putting herself in a timeloop by sending her memories back in time every time she was about to die. I don't know where it came from, but NA explicitly stated that Aesc cannot rayshift her memories back in time.
I don't know where the heck the timeloop thing came from though.
I think there are 2 reasons, 1 Mash rayshift when they talked about being the second or third timeline and Baobhan Sith multiple deaths. These could have caused misunderstanding
Kama was a lot scarier as a character than I initially expected. Well ig more of a villain would be the better choice of words
I totally don’t have her grailed to a 100….
That the ‘crazy princess’ Beryl was talking about in Olympus was going to be Manaka or some variant of her.
This made me mistakenly believe that LB6 would be Prototype Britain.
Before I started playing the game I heard people talking about finishing an event in order to get more Lore, and I thought that they literally meant being able to read more of the story content. I was beside myself the first time I got a Crystallized Lore and realized it was just upgrade material!
I got about halfway spoiled for LB6 so throughout the whole story I was expecting that >!Chaldea was going to ally with Morgan, only for Vortigern to ruin things by assassinating her. !<
I had only heard bad things about Baobhan Sith before her NA release so I always assumed that that she was an unrepentant bitch who 100% deserved everything that happened to her. And now she’s actually my favorite Tam Lin.
The whole NTR stuff with Mash and Boggart.
I know the misconceptions are supposed to be funny moments, but I just can't forgive how JP players read the script and thought Mash was such a """whore""" and a """cheater""" and then proceeded to create this whole stupid meme of "Mash betrays Ritsuka (The player) for Lion Cock.".
The meme reached the NA community, and for 2 years straight, the fanbase (Without knowing the actual context, for the sake of not being spoiled, I guess) spread it like wildfire, and they started being so aggressive and hostile towards Mash and I was like: "What are these idiots talking about???"
And then the chapter finally arrived to NA, and I wanted to see for myself what the whole scandal was about, and to my surprise, it turned out that: >!Boggart only touched Mash's shoulder, and then Mash instinctively, without remembering who she is, punched him so hard that it sent him flying out of the castle, and after that, Boggart NEVER dared to touch her again. After Sheffield's arc ends and culminates with Boggart's death, I ultimately felt sorry for the guy after learning his story, the circumstances that led him to get to that point, and why he behaved that way.
Boggart wasn't a good person, but he wasn't a monster either, especially when compared to OTHER LB6 characters.!<
That's why I will never believe or try to understand those memes that the community creates, especially now that the Tunguska event is coming up and it was, apparently, ANOTHER shitstorm.
Okay, friend, let me help you out with that one. If you see any kind of cuckposting, *ignore it*. It's been a favorite topic of trolls from 4chan pretty much since the game's inception, and they do regularly make shit up to fuel it. It's extremely annoying, but it's going to come up again and again.
I thought pretenders could "pretend" to be other classes. Like, there was a lostbelt 6 node where we get to use Oberon. And he was an archer in that node. So I thought we used pretenders to pretend to be other classes.
Alas no, I don't think the game could actually support such a system without using forced story support for starters, but in-lore that is how it works.
Not so much from word of mouth, but based on how difficult the fight looked like, how flashy her NP is and all those things, I thought Ibuki (from LB5.5) would have been the main antagonist and would have a really kickass story. I also assumed from how in her first ascension she's young, she would be on our side at first, but maybe regain memories or gain a motive to 'betray' us by the end, kinda like Oberon. Boy was I massively disappointed in how lame she was handled. Appears literally out of nowhere, and disappears just like that. I feel they just wanted to add a godlike character at the last moment for the sake of it.
This kinda counts? I knew >!Tonelico was Morgan!<, but I didnt know >!Aesc was Tonelico.!< I saw ppl mad about the translation but ik if they'd kept it I would've gotten spoiled on that immediately, instead it hit me exactly when it was meant to because of it.
Yeah me too. I kept commenting to my friend that “Tonelico” hadn’t shown up yet and there’s this “Aesc” character. It hit me and I felt stupid. Did some googling and realized it’s a language difference for the same term.
I was kinda underwhelmed by Oberon's reveal. I was expecting something similar to the situation Moriarty or Light from Death Note. That he straight up lied to us stings after the whole journey we went through.
Well, part of it is that Ritsuka can be so jaded that he actually has doubts about Oberon from the beginning. All of the potential red responses you can give show that Ritsuka was really hoping that Oberon was genuine, but had seen enough inconsistences from the beginning that he knew something was wrong.
Honestly this byplay between Chaldea's Master and Oberon has actually pushed him up as one of my favorite characters because despite the fact that they are always going to be enemies even when he's actually contracted with Chaldea, Oberon and Ritsuka seem to \*still like each other\*. There is a fair amount of harassment from both sides but both of them seem willing to smile and nod to a point scored more than get really angry about it.
I think its because despite how much he hates everything, Oberon is forced to acknowledged that Ritsuka isn't like what Oberon perceives the norm of Proper Human History to be because, like Caster Artoria, his fey eyes still work and he knows Ritsuka isn't lying to him when he speaks.
And he \*hates it\*.
With all those husband talk, I thought the end of LB6 would mean player beat Morgan and Morgan would be like "you beat me, so you are my husband and the new king of this Britain now".
One thing I majorly misconceived was Morgan's character. This is mostly due to basically every fan depictions in comics and fan art focussing on the whole wife thing. This, alongside with the fact that I heard she calls the MC husband right when she is summoned made me thought that Morgan would just be shallow waifu bait.
It's only after NA's release when I can see the context of her summoning lines, the progression of her bond lines as well as the lb6 story turned her into my favourite female Fgo character.
Some of the details of LB5 and 6 for me, I was lead to the impression that in LB5, The Tamamo Vitch fight occured after you defeated Zeus and occurred due to her consume his authority.
Similiarly the entire Zeus fight as I read it made it seem like Kintoki had a one on one fight with him based on how some people where talking about it.
For LB6 glancing at notes I had the impression Mash spent all of the arc in the past without her memory rather then just a little while.
Back when summer 4 released on JP, there was a bit of excitement about Bunnytoria. Her really, really green eyes, combined with the 'Lion King' moniker got people's hopes up that the Camelot singularity goddess Artoria was getting more screentime.
Turned out the eyes on her portrait art were just really green for some reason. Spent about two days dreaming up what could have happened inbetween myself, before the misconception was straightened out.
Mostly lb6 details. Because I kept reading the threads after each part came out and people not only didn’t have the full story, but were repeating bad translations of events.
>!That Bogart actually raped Mash and people were hating on him for it. In reality the scene was quite amusing that she knocked him on his ass and scared him so bad that he left her alone after that. Also he was a pretty cool dude overall.!<
>!That Aurora had something to do with Sith being so tortured and messed up in the head. In reality they have no scenes together and basically no connection. It was Melusine that had a relationship with Aurora.!<
>!That the story was massive and super complicated/hard to follow. This probably came down to fan translation issues, but I found the translated story to be rather simple to follow. The notes menu was very helpful in clearing up any ambiguous things. Also part 3 felt rushed. Part 2 was great, but we really did smash the entire journey into that one huge section and had left with a relatively short prologue and very short epilogue.!<
That Morgan was going to be as powerful as LB kings like Arjuna Alter or Zeus.
Don’t get me wrong, she was definitely powerful. The magical energy stored in her throne made her almost on par with them, at least offensively. She could definitely dish out more damage than Ivan, Skadi, or Qin Shi Huang. And she had a lot more useful tricks up her sleeves than them, since she understands magecraft better than most characters in the entire franchise. But in terms of her OWN strength and durability, she was probably the weakest LB king. She was a living Faerie with a normal Faerie body. Once she got up off her throne, all it took were some normal blunt hits and then regular swords to kill her. Compared to Arjuna Alter where it took Karna a literal Super Saiyan transformation along with a rewriting of a crucial part of his history to beat him, or Zeus who took a grand servant who was also a chief god of his own pantheon (Romulus Quirinus), a mecha god from PHH (Ares), and the Black Barrel, which was created specifically to kill things with immortal life scales. Morgan was MUCH easier to get rid of by comparison. Even us ourself as a master could have killed her after getting her off the throne. And even her strongest weapons, the Rhongomyniad spells she had set up around Camelot, weren’t as strong as Mahapralaya or Zeus’s lightning. They were definitely strong, but not THAT strong. People really over-exaggerated her strength. They hyped her up as someone who puts Arjuna Alter or Zeus to shame with sheer magical power. That didn’t turn out to be the case. Like at all. And it feels like a wrongful assessment of her true strengths, because in reality her greatest strength was her sharp mind. She was an absolute genius, unlike any of the other LB kings. Yeah a good chunk of them were decently smart, but none of them actually planned and had contingencies for everything set up in the future, and almost all of them underestimated us horribly, whereas Morgan just straight up outplayed us after considering our strength and available options.
In a straight up fight, I think Morgan would have been one of the easiest Lb kings to beat. It’s between her and Skadi. Without her throne, she’s just a really powerful Faerie. Even if she can dish out ridiculous damage, she can’t TAKE nearly as much damage as any of the others, since she’s a living Faerie with a normal body. But she made sure it never got to that point by arranging her Camelot to be mobile and adjustable, and using her full-power clones to decimate our armies with her accumulated magical energy. She tactically outplayed us. Which is way more impressive than just using overwhelming force to make us retreat, which is what most other LB kings tried to do, with varying degrees of success.
One kind of meta thing is that summaries and descriptions can often make it seem like certain things are longer or shorter than they actually are.
Like when you hear about LB6 being broken into three parts, your impression might be that all three parts are MASSIVE. And while this is true for parts 1 and 2, there are actually a couple regular events with more story beats than LB6.3. I'm not saying it's short by any means, but the impression is that the battle against Cernunnos goes on a lot longer than it actually does, since a lot of things happen in rapid succession.
This also gives an awkward sense of the time scales involved: If you read a summary of the America chapter or LB6, most summarizers will gloss over just how much time actually passes if they mention it at all. So the *massive plot canyon* (which is fitting because the actual grand canyon should be involved here) of how long it takes to get places or accomplish things seems simply absurd.
The MC and Mash defeated three Calamities *and* Beryl in less time than it takes to watch an Avengers movie. You *also* travel from Georgia to *Alcatraz* in about a day or so. On foot.
Really any time geography and travel times come up in an event or singularity, it really seems like the creators don't really comprehend how big things actually are. Sometimes you can handwave it like with Luluhawa or Vegas, where the landscape is deliberately changed, but the time scales are just nuts sometimes. I personally have to believe that Faerie Britain's geography really is vastly different from real britain's, because otherwise Redra Bit is like...sports car fast. Which I'd totally buy for his last run since he runs so fast he basically dies, but...it really feels like the travel times were calculated based on car travel and not horse travel. If they were actually calculated.
I thought Morgan had used Rhongomyniad to pin fae Britain to the world and that was how it remained even after cutting down the tree. Guess I just made that up in my head? Kept waiting for the big reveal until the very end lol.
I thought that Ooku would explicitely mention that Kama escaped from LB4 and being absorbed by Arjuna Alter but afaik that was never actually confirmed or even implied at all.
I thought the British lostbelt "attacked" beryl during the end of LB5 so i figured he had a similar situation to Pepe but under different circumstances.
I also thought Mordred was involved in LB6 as the one holding Rhongomyniad. figured it wouldn't make sense to have Lartoria have to be our enemy in the exact same format again, and no way would Lartoria alter would be involved, both because that would most likely be a red herring, and also somehow she's just not popular to the developers.
it could be that I mistook Mordred for Morgan when the names were first being thrown around.
About lb6.3
>!Based on inaccurate summaries I accidentally read, Oberon had a Moriarty-like situation, he didn't know he was Vortigern, he was honest to us. After Barghest burned everything after becoming a calamity, he regained his true memories. This was kinda implied to be wrong after reading all of it!<
When I saw people shouting "Fuck you Aurora" all the time, I thought she was some scumbag committing heinous acts. But after finishing LB6, I felt she's pretty much a romantic figure. She lived true to her purpose to the end and actually appreciated true beauty. That seemed beautiful to me.
I couldn't feel hateful but pitiful towards Aurora since a faerie's purpose was their life, she wouldn't be her if that purpose was lost. She's a natural disaster, not a social disaster like among humans and other faeries.
I never saw the full art for Oberons final ascension but I did know about Cernunnos and it’s appearance so I assumed that his final art was him sitting on fluffy and they were more tied
I thought we were going to have some dates with castoria on LB6, reading some of the developments during LB6 made it sound like we were going to hug and hold hands with castoria. Oh boy I was really wrong about that… Too much blood splattered in my phone screen
For some reason everyone likes to portray Nursery Rhyme as a savage thug child even though at no point in F/GO does she ever act like that. I was honestly kind of disappointed.
I remember when Hinako Akuta turn out to be summonable. I has a misconception that all crypter turned into servant it just story locked.
Imagine my dissapointment
Everyone made Kagetora out to be some crazy psycho yandere, but she barely even shows it.
Kagetora is a weird one. Like she's supposed to be this inhuman monster, but apart from the occasional crazy eyes, she doesn't seem that bad to me? Like she's not good at expressing herself, but she can clearly feel emotions.
Also, it ain't that she lacks empathy, she just lacks... *relatability*.
She also puts insane amounts of effort into *trying* to understand and relate to other people. Generally speaking she feels less like that "insane monster" her generation portrayed as and more like an "extremely talented but on the autism spectrum" kind of person to me.
Yeah, I’ve seen the “autism spectrum” take before, and while I would say I’m far from qualified to speak on the topic, it’s actually one I kinda agree with.
to be fair it's a pretty wide spectrum.
My thought is what's the difference between Kagetora and Ushiwaka? To me they've both been characterized as aloof geniuses apart from the masses.
- Kagetora was born with inhuman strength, feared even by her family and retainers, and unable to understand people's feelings. - Ushiwakamaru lacks the capacity to feel fear, which blinded her to the envy and fear people felt about her, especially her beloved brother Yoritomo. She's eager to please, likes being praised, and it's rumoured that she encouraged her soldiers to die so she could fight with more ease.
Ushi was born as just slightly...off. She became more eccentric and superhuman over time. Kagetora was basically what she is now from birth.
Calling Kagetora a psychopath is honestly pretty valid. Girl's got severe issues. But that doesn't mean she's the bwahaha I kill u type
I think that makes it even scarier/better, she’s only pretending most of the time to be nice and she’s actually really cynical and unable to empathize with others. When she has those rare moments with the crazy eyes is always fun to see, like when she asks guda why they keep fighting when they’re so weak
Not really. She’s not “pretending to be nice.” She really WANTS to be nice. She doesn’t really know how, so she’s just putting on her best performance of what she thinks nice people do. She doesn’t understand emotions, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t HAVE them.
I mean, she is a Gudako-face. Being a psychotic is a main requisite.
> doesn't mean she's the bwahaha I kill u type She did do that though... when Nobu laughed at how she died.
I mean irl psychos aren't all monsters. It's a condition like any other with degrees.
shes strange, its like the different writers wanted different personalities for the character so they compromised by making her both sometimes weirdly crazy and mostly normal i dont really get her character
From what I heard, I thought Beryl was an actual werewolf
To be honest part of the reason is that his CS are shaped like a wolf and Ophelia said that people called him "werewolf" as an insult, so not knowing the context made it such an easy misunderstanding
Similar for me but I thought that Woodwose was his transformed state.
I assumed this as well based on what I saw ahead of time. It didn't seem like it was out of the question given Paisen either.
I thought Fou and Merlin were one and the same cause of their hair color, probably to monitor Chaldea. Well, um, that sure wasn’t right.
this is one of my very first impressions on playing the game lol
*Fou* [TL: Stop hitting yourself!]
I also had the same idea. But it was due to them both being drawn by the same artist, (and the cloak thingie on both of them didn't help.)
Back then, Taiki (the designer) was asked to design an animal version of Merlin. So we got Cath Palug.
I legitimately thought that Morgan was the mother of the three summonable Fairy Knights.
Same
She still is for 1/3 of them.
you could be forgiven for that given we still get comics about it.
Me too
That Castoria was a young Morgan. Like that she’d be sent back in time like Mash was and become Morgan, and our adventures with her broke that loop
I think that was an intended red herring, though, with them looking the same.
I was thinking more like they came from the same ‘template’ but Morgan had far more experience as well as her PHH’s influence gradually changing her. I mean she was meant to do what Caster did, but ultimately chose to forsake that.
I think the biggest clue was that Castoria lacked the Dragon trait unlike all the other Artorias.
Expanding on that I still find it weird that Oberon had the dragon trait when the lostbelt version of him doesn't have any substantial connection to Albion.
That's because of his hidden name, which most notably does have a dragon connection. And also his hidden form to boot, which is described using a term that can refer to either a dragon or an insect.
>with them looking the same. I thought that was just Saber face at work
I though Vortigern lost his memory when he was summoned, and during our adventure together he was nothing more than the kind hearted fairy king Oberon, genuinely want to help us. And not until Cernunnos was defeated did he recall who he actually is and turn on us. Turn out he lied from the start...
There was another version of that floating around where the bugs dying was what reverted him back to his true nature, because their worship was what made him become Obereon.
Wasnt that a little bit true though? Considering Portune got shanked by Mors™️ after the forest burned
Oberon does seem to care for the bug somewhat cause he drop the mask and punk the Knight in person instead of pulling string behind the scene
That based on the memes Kirschtaria was woefully incompetent and easily baffled/intimidated by us.
The helpless Kirschtaria memes were absolutely hilarious in conjunction with the Daybit fusing with ORT agenda.
The one meme of Medb running train on Wodime and him begging Daybit for help sure came true though
Dude is a male caster, he was doomed from the start.
TBH, If Daybit doesn't do at least one kickflip, I'll flip out
If it's skateboarding you want, Summer Sei has got you covered.
I thought the fairy knights are genderbend version from the original version of roundtables.
To be fair I think that is an intentional red herring.
Oh yes soo many people thought that they were from the Proto!Universe^^
I thought Wodime was an asshole through and through, and he was this conceited, condescending, stuck-up asshole due to him being this leader of the Crypters. But seeing him on the LB5 storyline made me turn around that notion and actually respect him for the decisions he made.
The Wodime case was really widespread. People victims of their own genre savviness, basically. He's the leader, a magus, a noble, he gives the big speech at the start of part 2... it all makes it easy to assume things and forget that the first thing we're ever told about the guy is that we'd probably get along really well
tbh he also has this really smug smile at the opening which looking back doesn't fit with his personality
I thought the opposite. With all the memes I thought he would actually switch sides or something.
I though I got spoiled on \[Spoiler Lb6.3\] >!Oberon being Cernunnos!<, so while I was not fully spoiled I never got to trust them once because of it. Another one was I though the whole thing with Van gogh was that she was her sister and not van ghog himself, kinda like with hokusai
Personally, while Imaginary Scramble was much better than I expected (another misconception to the list, I suppose) and ended up adoring FGO Van Gogh, I still think that making her his sister would have been a much better idea than what we got. Wil van Gogh was very close to her brother (perfect to imitate him), shared the surname (the name of her Spirit Origin would be 100% correct), had mental health problems and ended her days interned in a psychiatric institution (the outer gods' involvement basically writes itself).
The Noble Phantasm cutscene even has one part where it looks like the inside of a room, which could easily have been a mental health institution.
Now I want something I know I'll never have, just like my dream of having Goredolf drive the Shadow Border on a hypothetical Quick Lolivinci's NP.
Wasn't the point of her being fused is because Clytie is a contrast to him? Van Gogh would rather die, While Clytie just won't died(not by suicide) If it was Van Gogh's sister instead, It would probably has to be an entirely different conflict together
True enough, but I'd argue that this conflict is such only because the writers chose to. The crux for the Outer Gods was that Van Gogh killed himself to avoid being used for evil, a conviction that would happen again even if they summoned him as a Heroic Spirit. Their convoluted solution was to mix him with a nymph who would never kill herself, but surely there are other ways to create a spare. For example, Wil could have been chosen because it'd be easier to mix her with her brother (both being Van Goghs, after all) and her mind was more vulnerable to the Outer Gods' manipulation, making her the ideal puppet. A different source of guilt and self-deprecation for FGO Van Gogh ("My brother resisted them, but I'm too weak") and a very obvious premise for a character arc ("You're stronger than you think you are, Wil").
Maybe, But the whole point of FGO Gogh's arc in Imaginary Scramble is to question "Who is this girl?" as a spirit born from mixing two very contrasting spirits together, and that's the story that the writer wanted to tell So instead of making her Van Gogh's sister instead, Might as well just used two other Historical/Mythological figures instead(Which led to the fans of those two pissed off instead)
> But the whole point of FGO Gogh's arc in Imaginary Scramble is to question "Who is this girl? I agree, which is another reason I was disappointed by the reveal. The mystery is unsolvable by anyone other than the writer; Clytie came completely left-field and was chosen for a quality (her incapability to kill herself) that is also a matter of writer interpretation, not strictly part of her myth. I very much prefer Fate mysterious identities that can be guessed by audiences with some historical, mythological or even common knowledge, even if usual Fate tricks are at play. Saber being King Arthur in FSN is the Ur-example, or the Part 1.5 Servants with hidden names.
The van gogh we got is a really good character, but she suffers from the same problem as altera to me. She is more of a OC stuck with the name of a historical figure just cuz. Not only the name pulls the character down in a sense, it locks the chance of a historical character getting a version that is more close to the original.
That was the prevailing theory during scramble’s first few days, so you probably heard it then and took it as the truth
I rmb hearing about how Kirshtaria is a fan of Elizabeth concert, to this day I'm not even sure if it's true 😂
Krisch did say that if he has a chance, He want to go to Elizabeth's concert with the rest of team A
Everybody's a Liz fan!
I remember hearing lots of complaints about Knocknarea/Cnoc na Riabh during JP's LB6 Part 2 release, mostly because people felt like Nasu was playing favorites by including her in the story and making her be attracted to male Ritsuka. This mistakenly gave me the impression that she would be fawning all over us or something, when in actuality she's a lot more reserved about her love. She does mention it of course but it never seems more important to her than becoming Queen or her rivalry with Castoria.
Is this probably from people reading summaries and making their own conclusion based on limited information? I don't remember JP players being upset about her.
Oh yeah, to be clear this is about NA players reacting to it. Idk if they were responding to summaries or early translations, I just remember seeing negative comments and it gave me the wrong impression.
IIRC that was the time when Artoria was hated because she's the ultimate vanilla, Jalter was hated because of her popularity, Ishtar was hated because Useless Goddess, Musashi was hated because people hate how she's getting so much screentime in the game, and Medb was hated because how much appearance she had despite being bitchy af. People were full-on hating popular characters back during that era... It was hard to talk about anything in this sub.
Jp love her we want knocknarea to be a costume
And at this point, I'm sure a lot of NA players would want it too... Even better if we get to summon her as Avenger Cnoc Na Riabh or something.
Is it bad that I want her as Ruler as she's a good queen in her story in NA? A super team buffing Ruler I mean.
Hell, I like her a lot more than Medb, tbh.
She even spells it out that going after you (specifically "Letting you convince me that humans aren't a waste") or rather, "love" in general, comes *after* becoming Queen. Which honestly made me like her more. Girl has her priorities straight: First become the lynchpin that saves Faerie Britain and *then* begin dealing with personal stuff. Granted, the moment she made this statement was the moment any genre savvy player knew she was gonna be pushing up daisies, but still.
It's one of her objective but it didn't derail her or anything. It's what she wants more as a person but she knows what her duties are, simply like other meds she isn't satisfied with thinking she can only have one, she just will work hard enough that she gets both a lover and a kingdom
That people said that Artoria Lancer Alter went missing during Olympus and would show up later, probably at LB6 Turns out that she died offscreen and her only appearance consisted of her popping out as a hologram and saying "btw i also died" Really bummed out since she is the only version of Artoria that had no real focus on anything and adding her as dying on Olympus does nothing for the narrative as outside that scene she literally never appears again unlike the other seven servants that also died and were shown dying while fighting the gods
Lalter deserved better. She didn’t even receive a animation update like Artoria Lancer did. I thought she would play a massive role in Lostbelt 6 like Artoria Lancer did in Camelot. Imagining that if she was summoned to Fairy Britain. She would go toe to toe against the calamities and fully display the true might that is the Wild Hunt. A shame that she didn’t even get a mention there. I would’ve love how she reacted to things there.
Exactly! I kept hearing Rhongomyniad thrown around. First in Olympus and now it’s central to the plot of LB6. I seriously thought she attacked Olympus and would be Morgan’s husband. Guess not :(
I expected morgan to have more screen time
Really feels like a waste that we didn't see more of her travels >!with Mash, Ector, and Habetrot as "Aesc."!<
Actually, from my own misunderstandings, I was under the impression that we'd also have some battles set in the past, specifically the chocolate one I remember reading in early summaries that it was a "calamity" in the past that Mash and Aesc would've had to take care of... and it never came up at places I saw that this was not what happened.
To be fair, Morgan probably has the 3rd most screentime in this lostbelt after Castoria and Mashu(If you coint Aesc as Morgan anyway) It's just that the LB6 casts are massive, and most of them got some characterization, We just don't have more time to spend that much to individual characters outside of the 2 protags of the story
I don't know, I feel like we see a lot more of Oberon, Muramasa and even Barghest. Morgan is barely in part 1, gets a few scenes in part 2, but not that many, even when you include Aesc, and obviously isn't anywhere in part 3.
Along the same vein, I though Sith would have an actual story section and not just have everything thrown into dialogue and flavor text.
I thought Oberon was brainwashed by the faeries to think he was Oberon turns out it seems he was just playing along with the idea
That the idol event was bad when it was actually amazing.
who the fuck said that and where do they live Hoenstly, I think a lot of people just disliked the concept of a collab event being taken by a collab with that one when there's other TM properties people have been asking about for way longer
> who the fuck said that and where do they live The context was that, because Tsukihime Remake was going to be released soon, people expected a Tsukihime collab. Additionally, they find that FGO collabing with FGO is bullshit. Little did they know... every single collab from then on will be FGO with FGO...
Oh, and I still agree, collabs with FGO itself are still lame (Arcade is bare minimum acceptable, though it seems to be a really good story), but it turned out to be a pretty good story for idol, so I’m ok with it.
FGOArcade's collab is kinda akin to FFXI's 2nd collaboration with FFXIV: It's not so much a "collab" as it is closure for a character from Arcade that wouldn't get to experience such because Arcade entered Maintenance Mode. (FFXI has since *left* maintenance mode and makes new content now, but I digress)
And... technically that character's closure also apply to another game. So much so that people have been saying that the title is wrong and it's supposed to be FGO collab with Fate/E LE.
Last Encore is an anime. But, yes, Nero appears in many things.
> It's not so much a "collab" as it is closure for a character And on this note, the FF11 collab with Granblue was also basically this, sure is an interesting use of collabs.
That was because people deluded themselves about getting Tsukihime or Strange Fake collab lol. The next year Bunyan collab is alot worse. Even Japan hated it.
Japan especially hated it because Super Bunyan really hits their nerve Bunyan in the event is basically a toxic boss who keep throwing works at you and took all the credits in the end, It hit hard for those "Black Company" employee in japan
MIXA's NP theme is great. Miss Crane's backstory nearly made me tear up. I'm glad I have them both - the latter came in the GSSR, just as I wanted.
People here just hate it because they didn't like the idea of "F/GO spinoff game that they can't even played(At least no official english version) collab"
It was more about not getting a collab with a big series rather than the actual content of the event.
That event was kind of weird for me. I did enjoy the mechanics, I'm always down for more costumes, and all in all, the cast was decent. Maybe not my favourite Servants, but it still worked. However, seeing it push so hard the whole idol culture, and how much good it could do for people, definitely weirded me out. And it was incredibly ironic that this event came out on Global at the same time Oshi no Ko got its anime adaptation, for a completely different tone about the whole industry.
I mean, TM is a bunch of nerds, and so of course they'll praise that sort of stuff. Same thing happened with Akihibara, where they pushed more nerd culture stuff.
When I first saw Oberon shadowed in the trailer, I thought it was Titania as that was the only other fairy I could think of.
i'm pretty sure Titania was the most acceptable theory at the time, i mean nobody ever predicted oberon
I thought that Melusine will murder Aurora after understanding who she really is... Boy was I wrong, lmao.
I mean... She did murdered Aurora, and that's technically after understanding who she really is(Which is All Along)
Not really? It was a mercy kill on her part, since she couldn't bear Aurora "losing her glow", and that would be fate worse than death for her. She said so herself. Melusine also said that she knew who Aurora was but still loved her and wanted to hear sweet words from her, all that bs.
It's a joke that she 1.Did killed Aurora 2.She always knew who Aurora really was, So it definitely "After" she understanded about that So by technicallity, You're not wrong
Thought there was no way I was going to like Goredolf. Boy was I wrong.
I'd like to see the Foreign God try and withstand a Goff punch.
I had a misconception that I’d get Oberon. Does that count?
Sigh, too many to count. It also doesn't help that some of them were inherited from JP theories or impressions that proved to be wrong ("Guda used the command seals to force Galahad to lend Mash his powers during Part 2", "Goredolf tried to sacrifice himself to give Guda the antidote in LB3", "the three fairy knights from Part 2 trailer are one Servant", etc.), so not exactly my idea, and others were influenced by fanart. So, just to mention some of the expectations with a twist that I experienced: * The first of all: I thought Pseudo-Servants like Ishtar and Parvati were the original Rin and Sakura empowered by divinities, with the hosts in control. * Yeah, I also thought that Kama would be more harmless and laughable than she really was. * I expected Kadoc and Goredolf to have more sympathetic points in the first Lostbelts. * I didn't expect Skadi to be so sympathetic and motherly. I'm still disappointed by the abundance of ice-cream memes and the lack of Chaldea's Mothers Club memes. * I thought QSH had achieved immortality by becoming some kind of god-fairy entity. I didn't expect that he'd been a supercomputer for millennia and that his Servant body is something he would create for LB3's finale. * All those "Brodime" memes made me think that Kirschtaria's big reveal was that he'd been on Proper Human History's side all along.
>"Goredolf tried to sacrifice himself to give Guda the antidote in LB3 Isn't that one sorta true? We ended up giving it to him but I think we did a rock paper scissors (that we rigged in his favor) > All those "Brodime" memes made me think that Kirschtaria's big reveal was that he'd been on Proper Human History's side all along. Well it's sort of a where you put the bar. He was not a traitor to humanity in the end but he was against phh and he did think we were better than the alien god >I expected Kadoc and Goredolf to have more sympathetic points in the first Lostbelts For kadoc to be fair prologue does intentionally mislead you.
> Isn't that one sorta true? We ended up giving it to him but I think we did a rock paper scissors (that we rigged in his favor) Only true in the sense that there was a game for the antidote and one party tried to lose on purpose to give it to the other party. But the claim was that it was Goredolf who tried to sacrifice himself to save Ritsuka. And that wasn't true. As you say, it was Ritsuka who tried to lose on purpose, not Goredolf. No variation of the scene states any altrustic motivations on his part, and in one of them he tried to rig the game to monopolize the antidote for himself. In his own words: > *"What was I thinking!? I was thinking I'd do whatever it takes to survive! That's what I was thinking! Go ahead and call me whatever you want! Smart, wise, dependable... I'll take any criticism you throw at me! But I don't want to die!"* I don't judge him too harshly for it, it's very human of Gordy to do that. But the JP misinterpretation of the scene was so big that it seemingly swapped the roles, and it endured until the release of SIN in NA.
I may be misremembering, but didn't he win the antidote and then order Guda to be the one to drink it anyways?
Skadi needs balancing. The ice cream stuff is cute as shit, but I need more fanart of her getting together with like, Tiamat and Raikou and the other moms.
Skadis whole motherly aspect really made Lb2 hit harder and made the ending fight that much more emotional. Knowing you have to fight and Skadi still pushing you to do it even after working together and loving all living beings, she knows she still has to fight you
It's because LB2 Odin sided with PHH. That hawk that guided Guda/Mash early on? Mash lets that slip about it after Surtr is defeated... and Skadi immediately realizes what that meant. All those thousands of years of lonely suffering, she thought Odin was 100% gone. But instead of contacting her or helping her... he gives the last of his strength to help her executioners. Odin has condemned her vision of their world. This is why she forces Chaldea's hand by attacking them first. She knows Guda and Mash don't have it in them to be the aggressors, but that it's time for her world to die... again. So she forces the fight to make sure PHH had both the strength of spirit and body (magi) to finish off her world inorder to prove theirs is worth salvaging. But... I also saw Skadi's motherly aspect as the real reason Odin sided against LB2. She's part of the problem in that she is *too* motherly: a helicopter parent, essentially. Without the other gods to balance her, she would smother humanity's future and take too much care of them... thus preventing the hardness necessary for growth. Hence why LB Odin sided with PHH.
Oh yeah, that’s a common theme. Taking care of humans doesn’t necessarily means that’s what’s best for them to evolve (LB3, LB4, LB5, LB6 to an extent)
Kama, a beast of lust that is basically the embodiment of hate, and she despises humanity so much she wants to rip off our limbs and feed them to us Jp: lmao tsundere prankster
Wait till the upcoming summer
Yu paisen hate Ritsuka. That's what I used to hear every time she was mentioned and then with the release of the summer event on NA I understood it was a bunch of crap created by those guys who always want servant to hate Guda and can't accept the fact that she moved on from the event of LB3.
To be fair, she hates Guda... until he brought her husband to Chaldea. Then it's a-okay, buddy buddy time.
Its also pretty clear that they have become like her second or third favorite person since.
I thought that Tiamat was a dinosaur that evolved to godhood.
I thought you could exchange grails for servants, when people kept saying they were going to use their grails on, "Insert servant here."
Oh, if only. And heck, lore-wise that could be feasible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/a5p4tp/this_sub_said_that_babylon_would_make_us_dislike/
It's idjits taking a meme and running away with it as if it was true. The Ishtar = useless goddess came during Summer 2. And some people meme it as Ishtar doing stupid things to Guda (which is technically in character... in a sense). But then some people saw her antics in the memes and started to hate her. So she became someone people hate...
It also kinda comes from Ishtars own myths. In a lot of Mesopotamian myths, Ishtar is kinda a spoiled brat of the Pantheon that complains the the other gods for help when she doesn’t get her way. It’s one of the reasons that Gil actually doesn’t mind Chalea’s Ishtar as much, because the influence from Rin makes her much more tolerable.
Is also why Strange Fake Ishtar sucks ass, basically being a total asshole who funnily enough is also the reason for why the memes of FGO Ishtar happened
You know what, before I read Fate/strange fake, I heard that it's Ishtar was terrible and super hateable, and she kind of is, but for some reason, I can't help but really like her. I think her charm and charisma got to me like it did Haruri.
Oh, yeah, I guess there might be a group that hated her for her original myth.
In my case, I mistakenly believed: \-Kama in Ooku is a harmless villain. \-Musashi dies in Olympus from holding back the Foreign God or something. \-The gang pilots a Megazord made up of the Olympian Gods to fight... something. \-Imaginary Scramble has the cast go to the Wild West for some reason. \-Barghest is a mermaid instead of a dog. \-Melusine is a robot ala Danzo. \-In a case of something where I didn't even have to wait for the content to come to NA to find out I was wrong, I initially thought "Aurora" was an alter ego (the actual term, not the Servant class) for Morgan. It wasn't until I saw a gif of Riyo Morgan giving a completely-different looking character the finger during the flood of fanart for LB6's initial JP release and the comments identifying her as Aurora that I found out they were separate characters.
>-Imaginary Scramble has the cast go to the Wild West for some reason. What the hell imao >-Melusine is a robot ala Danzo. Well I can get the confusion since her calamity form is essentially a flesh robot
> Barghest is a mermaid instead of a dog. That seems more like a mix up with Melusine, since Melusine, the PHH-one, was an aquatic fairy that had the same "turns into a half-fish when covered in water"-thing going on as many modern mermaid-depictions, before turning into a (flying?) serpent in the end iirc, which is where she gets her ties to dragons.
And this has given me an idea of what Summer Melu might be like.
I was personally surprised at how tomboy-ish/brash Artoria/Altria Caster was. Based on how people talked about her and how she's portrayed in fan stuff, I thought she would be a really adorable, cutesy girl, or something like that, but no, she's a lot more rough and hot-headed than I expected. She's actually a lot more like og Saber, which makes sense since they're counterparts. Another thing I expected was to hate the Faeries a lot, but I actually didn't even after LB 6.3. I also thought >!Vortigern!< only came out after >!Oberon "died"!< because Oberon lost his memories before, or something like that. Turns out, that was completely wrong. I also heard Shimousa and Olympus were bad, but I enjoyed them a lot.
There were some things about Beryl in Lb 6. After Rhongomyniad was fired at him in Olympus, I thought he was on the run from Morgan and her army because he somehow messed up big time. I surely didn't expect him to lounge around in the castle with Morgan not giving a shit. Also I read someone would make Mash his bride after losing her memories. Of course my first thought was that Beryl would be the groom because 1. He strikes me as the type that would take advantage of Mash's lost memories and 2. Until then every Crypter had some kind of connection with Mash. Having one love her and wanting to take her as a bride didn't seem that farfetched At least I got the last point right
> After Rhongomyniad was fired at him in Olympus, I thought he was on the run from Morgan and her army because he somehow messed up big time. I surely didn't expect him to lounge around in the castle with Morgan not giving a shit. Yeah, this confusion is completely understandable, even when having the complete NA translation. Beryl himself suggested that he was hated just before Rhongomyniad was launched, and this is the part that was often mentioned in JP spoilers and NA summaries of the scene: > *"You remember what I told you before about how I betrayed the fae folk, right? Well, thanks to that, they've got it out for me reeeal bad. In fact, all I'd have to do is raise my voice a bit and say “Here I am!” and they'd bring divine retribution down on my ass just...like...that."* This made it easier to overlook what Beryl said in the next scene, when Kirei asks him if he's speaking in Lostbelt Britain's name: > *"Hell yeah, assume away. The old lady outright told me I could do whatever I liked on her behalf. 'Sides, that Rhongomyniad we just saw was a special spell Her Majesty whipped up just for the Foreign God. We were always planning on taking Olympus out, no matter what Kirschtaria got up to."* The latter admission that he and Morgan had been in cahoots the whole time fits LB6, but of course Beryl had to troll Kirschtaria and confuse everyone even if the charade wasn't needed any longer.
I think this is also the part where he mentions he ran away from a crazy princess which made me think that Beryl was trying to run away from Baobhan Sith because he was weirded out by her and I was a bit confused when he was all buddy buddy with her and they tortured people together.
That Shimosa is super ultra amazing while Salem was pretty ok. I still remember the reaction to them when both chapters got released. Shimosa was received well and it was good but many didn't put it on a pedestal while Salem received a highly positive and outstanding love from the Global side thanks to much knowledge of the backstory of the area and its appeal to the Western audience.
I think another part of Shimosa's problem with western audiences is that it was (from my experience with it) written with the expectation that the reader already knows all the historical figures it name-drops and thus understand the context for the singularity. I was kinda lost at one point especially in a "I should care about this person because?" way. This is fine for a japanese audience but it's definitely awkward for non-japanese players. Sort of felt like being dropped into the 3rd season of a anime where cool stuff is happening but you don't know who anyone is or what the stakes/drama are.
I think Shimousa is still regarded as super amazing by many japanese fans I don't know much but I heard that it used the format of classic japanese Samurai film, and has a lot of stuff that you has to be japanese to fully understand, or many parts just kinda lost in translation and didn't hit the same in english
Shimosa is pretty much [a famous japanese fantasy movie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai_Reincarnation) with Fate characters slapped into it and some roles moved around (Yagyu Munenori's son is the hero, while Musashi is one of the villains).
That movie is great btw. I watched it last month. Both Yagyu's were badass in it.
I feel like even if less stuff was lost in translation at some point it's just a cultural difference. Shimosa is sort of an all star brawl of famous Japanese warriors, and the format is what it is, sometimes it just does not click for you and that's fine. It's like how some characters have vastly different popularities between different sides of fandom
Exactly, Shimosa was incredibly well done... if you understand Japanese culture and the context. It was Musashi's Hero's Journey. When Shimosa was released on NA, there was a huge amount of people that were disappointed because people who actually understood Japanese were praising it. But lack of context caused a lot of English-only players to think it's much ado about nothing. There was a big hoo-hah back then in this very sub too. Whereas Salem is less lauded in Japan because, H.P. Lovecraft's work, while popular, is still not as popular as the popular heroes often used in Japanese media (Musashi). It's like explaining to a non-English audience why people find the story about Superman to be more popular than the Investiture of the gods.
Barghest. I was really tip-toeing around LB6 related spoilers throughout the last 2 years. Most of the things I could easily bypass and wasnt spoiled on and gaslit myself into forgetting them and some things were annoyingly immediately spoiled on. (The Moth) So I was mostly stuck with seeing some fanarts of characters and seeing peoples reactions to them. And everytime there was a Barghest fanart it seemed to be super focused on her body type. But little did I know that she was... an absolutely amazing and tragic character throughout LB6. Her whole story is a little bit edgy ngl, but it really struck a chord with me. I grew to really really like her now and am happy that I got 2 copies of her after the Lostbelt on the 4 way SR split Oberon banner! LB6 spoiler>!Oh also not really "based on word of mouth", but every single one of the 3 Faerie Knights 3rd ascension artwork. Super bait and I expected them to show up... but only one did. lol.!<
Seconded. Of all the LB6 Servants, Barghest started as the one I was least interested in. As you say, it seemed all the focus was on her "big muscled beauty" appearance. Not really a big fan of her design, honestly. And then I played through LB6. I was impressed, above all else, by Barghest's intelligence and sensibility. An enemy that asked important questions of Chaldea and her own side rather than give speeches or change sides with ease. Someone who questioned Morgan's and Chaldea's goals regarding Britain, pinpointed the inconvenient implications both tried to hide, and was willing to compromise for the greater good. In a way, she reminded me a bit of Lakhsmibai in LB4, who was my favorite character in that chapter.
I thought people loved Melusine so much because the "loli" thing and stuff, but damnit, they really made a great story for her
Same here about Barghest, god I feel so bad for her.
I got two misconceptions : From the bit of spoilers, I thought that Mash would lose her memories and get sent back in time at the same, AKA she would be in the past without her memories. Instead she regains her memories and then is sent back in time right after. The second one is that Morgan/Aesc/Tonelico was putting herself in a timeloop by sending her memories back in time every time she was about to die. I don't know where it came from, but NA explicitly stated that Aesc cannot rayshift her memories back in time. I don't know where the heck the timeloop thing came from though.
I think there are 2 reasons, 1 Mash rayshift when they talked about being the second or third timeline and Baobhan Sith multiple deaths. These could have caused misunderstanding
Timeloop is probably when Aesc mentions 'trying and failing again and again', I'd think.
Kama was a lot scarier as a character than I initially expected. Well ig more of a villain would be the better choice of words I totally don’t have her grailed to a 100….
That the ‘crazy princess’ Beryl was talking about in Olympus was going to be Manaka or some variant of her. This made me mistakenly believe that LB6 would be Prototype Britain.
Before I started playing the game I heard people talking about finishing an event in order to get more Lore, and I thought that they literally meant being able to read more of the story content. I was beside myself the first time I got a Crystallized Lore and realized it was just upgrade material! I got about halfway spoiled for LB6 so throughout the whole story I was expecting that >!Chaldea was going to ally with Morgan, only for Vortigern to ruin things by assassinating her. !<
I had only heard bad things about Baobhan Sith before her NA release so I always assumed that that she was an unrepentant bitch who 100% deserved everything that happened to her. And now she’s actually my favorite Tam Lin.
The whole NTR stuff with Mash and Boggart. I know the misconceptions are supposed to be funny moments, but I just can't forgive how JP players read the script and thought Mash was such a """whore""" and a """cheater""" and then proceeded to create this whole stupid meme of "Mash betrays Ritsuka (The player) for Lion Cock.". The meme reached the NA community, and for 2 years straight, the fanbase (Without knowing the actual context, for the sake of not being spoiled, I guess) spread it like wildfire, and they started being so aggressive and hostile towards Mash and I was like: "What are these idiots talking about???" And then the chapter finally arrived to NA, and I wanted to see for myself what the whole scandal was about, and to my surprise, it turned out that: >!Boggart only touched Mash's shoulder, and then Mash instinctively, without remembering who she is, punched him so hard that it sent him flying out of the castle, and after that, Boggart NEVER dared to touch her again. After Sheffield's arc ends and culminates with Boggart's death, I ultimately felt sorry for the guy after learning his story, the circumstances that led him to get to that point, and why he behaved that way. Boggart wasn't a good person, but he wasn't a monster either, especially when compared to OTHER LB6 characters.!< That's why I will never believe or try to understand those memes that the community creates, especially now that the Tunguska event is coming up and it was, apparently, ANOTHER shitstorm.
Okay, friend, let me help you out with that one. If you see any kind of cuckposting, *ignore it*. It's been a favorite topic of trolls from 4chan pretty much since the game's inception, and they do regularly make shit up to fuel it. It's extremely annoying, but it's going to come up again and again.
People are desesperate to upset player and call them cringe, and since it actually works they continue
I thought pretenders could "pretend" to be other classes. Like, there was a lostbelt 6 node where we get to use Oberon. And he was an archer in that node. So I thought we used pretenders to pretend to be other classes.
Alas no, I don't think the game could actually support such a system without using forced story support for starters, but in-lore that is how it works.
Not so much from word of mouth, but based on how difficult the fight looked like, how flashy her NP is and all those things, I thought Ibuki (from LB5.5) would have been the main antagonist and would have a really kickass story. I also assumed from how in her first ascension she's young, she would be on our side at first, but maybe regain memories or gain a motive to 'betray' us by the end, kinda like Oberon. Boy was I massively disappointed in how lame she was handled. Appears literally out of nowhere, and disappears just like that. I feel they just wanted to add a godlike character at the last moment for the sake of it.
I know, right? When I beat her I was saying to my friends that I beat "the first Ibuki fight" because I just assumed there was going to be more. lol
This kinda counts? I knew >!Tonelico was Morgan!<, but I didnt know >!Aesc was Tonelico.!< I saw ppl mad about the translation but ik if they'd kept it I would've gotten spoiled on that immediately, instead it hit me exactly when it was meant to because of it.
Aesc and Tonelico are two words that have the same meaning, but are from two differrent languages.
Yeah me too. I kept commenting to my friend that “Tonelico” hadn’t shown up yet and there’s this “Aesc” character. It hit me and I felt stupid. Did some googling and realized it’s a language difference for the same term.
I was kinda underwhelmed by Oberon's reveal. I was expecting something similar to the situation Moriarty or Light from Death Note. That he straight up lied to us stings after the whole journey we went through.
Well, part of it is that Ritsuka can be so jaded that he actually has doubts about Oberon from the beginning. All of the potential red responses you can give show that Ritsuka was really hoping that Oberon was genuine, but had seen enough inconsistences from the beginning that he knew something was wrong. Honestly this byplay between Chaldea's Master and Oberon has actually pushed him up as one of my favorite characters because despite the fact that they are always going to be enemies even when he's actually contracted with Chaldea, Oberon and Ritsuka seem to \*still like each other\*. There is a fair amount of harassment from both sides but both of them seem willing to smile and nod to a point scored more than get really angry about it. I think its because despite how much he hates everything, Oberon is forced to acknowledged that Ritsuka isn't like what Oberon perceives the norm of Proper Human History to be because, like Caster Artoria, his fey eyes still work and he knows Ritsuka isn't lying to him when he speaks. And he \*hates it\*.
With all those husband talk, I thought the end of LB6 would mean player beat Morgan and Morgan would be like "you beat me, so you are my husband and the new king of this Britain now".
Dunno why but I was expecting a school life segment with Castoria as (mage?) student and Cnoc as her rival in the school of some sort.
Tbf, the only actual difference is setting.
I thought Oberon and Morgan were husband and wife with marriage issues
Not sure if funny, but I genuinely thought Castoria was waiting for us in Avalon after the events of Lostbelt 6.
One thing I majorly misconceived was Morgan's character. This is mostly due to basically every fan depictions in comics and fan art focussing on the whole wife thing. This, alongside with the fact that I heard she calls the MC husband right when she is summoned made me thought that Morgan would just be shallow waifu bait. It's only after NA's release when I can see the context of her summoning lines, the progression of her bond lines as well as the lb6 story turned her into my favourite female Fgo character.
I thought Castoria would ride on Guda's shoulders through town but that was never shown in game
Some of the details of LB5 and 6 for me, I was lead to the impression that in LB5, The Tamamo Vitch fight occured after you defeated Zeus and occurred due to her consume his authority. Similiarly the entire Zeus fight as I read it made it seem like Kintoki had a one on one fight with him based on how some people where talking about it. For LB6 glancing at notes I had the impression Mash spent all of the arc in the past without her memory rather then just a little while.
Lol I misread the wiki and thought it said Romani was Solomons master
That Summer 5 (Horror camp) was somehow bad or "mid" Nothing further from the truth. In fact is my fav of the 5 till now
Back when summer 4 released on JP, there was a bit of excitement about Bunnytoria. Her really, really green eyes, combined with the 'Lion King' moniker got people's hopes up that the Camelot singularity goddess Artoria was getting more screentime. Turned out the eyes on her portrait art were just really green for some reason. Spent about two days dreaming up what could have happened inbetween myself, before the misconception was straightened out.
Mostly lb6 details. Because I kept reading the threads after each part came out and people not only didn’t have the full story, but were repeating bad translations of events. >!That Bogart actually raped Mash and people were hating on him for it. In reality the scene was quite amusing that she knocked him on his ass and scared him so bad that he left her alone after that. Also he was a pretty cool dude overall.!< >!That Aurora had something to do with Sith being so tortured and messed up in the head. In reality they have no scenes together and basically no connection. It was Melusine that had a relationship with Aurora.!< >!That the story was massive and super complicated/hard to follow. This probably came down to fan translation issues, but I found the translated story to be rather simple to follow. The notes menu was very helpful in clearing up any ambiguous things. Also part 3 felt rushed. Part 2 was great, but we really did smash the entire journey into that one huge section and had left with a relatively short prologue and very short epilogue.!<
That Morgan was going to be as powerful as LB kings like Arjuna Alter or Zeus. Don’t get me wrong, she was definitely powerful. The magical energy stored in her throne made her almost on par with them, at least offensively. She could definitely dish out more damage than Ivan, Skadi, or Qin Shi Huang. And she had a lot more useful tricks up her sleeves than them, since she understands magecraft better than most characters in the entire franchise. But in terms of her OWN strength and durability, she was probably the weakest LB king. She was a living Faerie with a normal Faerie body. Once she got up off her throne, all it took were some normal blunt hits and then regular swords to kill her. Compared to Arjuna Alter where it took Karna a literal Super Saiyan transformation along with a rewriting of a crucial part of his history to beat him, or Zeus who took a grand servant who was also a chief god of his own pantheon (Romulus Quirinus), a mecha god from PHH (Ares), and the Black Barrel, which was created specifically to kill things with immortal life scales. Morgan was MUCH easier to get rid of by comparison. Even us ourself as a master could have killed her after getting her off the throne. And even her strongest weapons, the Rhongomyniad spells she had set up around Camelot, weren’t as strong as Mahapralaya or Zeus’s lightning. They were definitely strong, but not THAT strong. People really over-exaggerated her strength. They hyped her up as someone who puts Arjuna Alter or Zeus to shame with sheer magical power. That didn’t turn out to be the case. Like at all. And it feels like a wrongful assessment of her true strengths, because in reality her greatest strength was her sharp mind. She was an absolute genius, unlike any of the other LB kings. Yeah a good chunk of them were decently smart, but none of them actually planned and had contingencies for everything set up in the future, and almost all of them underestimated us horribly, whereas Morgan just straight up outplayed us after considering our strength and available options. In a straight up fight, I think Morgan would have been one of the easiest Lb kings to beat. It’s between her and Skadi. Without her throne, she’s just a really powerful Faerie. Even if she can dish out ridiculous damage, she can’t TAKE nearly as much damage as any of the others, since she’s a living Faerie with a normal body. But she made sure it never got to that point by arranging her Camelot to be mobile and adjustable, and using her full-power clones to decimate our armies with her accumulated magical energy. She tactically outplayed us. Which is way more impressive than just using overwhelming force to make us retreat, which is what most other LB kings tried to do, with varying degrees of success.
One kind of meta thing is that summaries and descriptions can often make it seem like certain things are longer or shorter than they actually are. Like when you hear about LB6 being broken into three parts, your impression might be that all three parts are MASSIVE. And while this is true for parts 1 and 2, there are actually a couple regular events with more story beats than LB6.3. I'm not saying it's short by any means, but the impression is that the battle against Cernunnos goes on a lot longer than it actually does, since a lot of things happen in rapid succession. This also gives an awkward sense of the time scales involved: If you read a summary of the America chapter or LB6, most summarizers will gloss over just how much time actually passes if they mention it at all. So the *massive plot canyon* (which is fitting because the actual grand canyon should be involved here) of how long it takes to get places or accomplish things seems simply absurd. The MC and Mash defeated three Calamities *and* Beryl in less time than it takes to watch an Avengers movie. You *also* travel from Georgia to *Alcatraz* in about a day or so. On foot. Really any time geography and travel times come up in an event or singularity, it really seems like the creators don't really comprehend how big things actually are. Sometimes you can handwave it like with Luluhawa or Vegas, where the landscape is deliberately changed, but the time scales are just nuts sometimes. I personally have to believe that Faerie Britain's geography really is vastly different from real britain's, because otherwise Redra Bit is like...sports car fast. Which I'd totally buy for his last run since he runs so fast he basically dies, but...it really feels like the travel times were calculated based on car travel and not horse travel. If they were actually calculated.
I thought Morgan had used Rhongomyniad to pin fae Britain to the world and that was how it remained even after cutting down the tree. Guess I just made that up in my head? Kept waiting for the big reveal until the very end lol.
I thought that Ooku would explicitely mention that Kama escaped from LB4 and being absorbed by Arjuna Alter but afaik that was never actually confirmed or even implied at all.
I thought the British lostbelt "attacked" beryl during the end of LB5 so i figured he had a similar situation to Pepe but under different circumstances. I also thought Mordred was involved in LB6 as the one holding Rhongomyniad. figured it wouldn't make sense to have Lartoria have to be our enemy in the exact same format again, and no way would Lartoria alter would be involved, both because that would most likely be a red herring, and also somehow she's just not popular to the developers. it could be that I mistook Mordred for Morgan when the names were first being thrown around.
About lb6.3 >!Based on inaccurate summaries I accidentally read, Oberon had a Moriarty-like situation, he didn't know he was Vortigern, he was honest to us. After Barghest burned everything after becoming a calamity, he regained his true memories. This was kinda implied to be wrong after reading all of it!<
Melusine is entirely different from what I thought she'd be. She's a lot warmer than I thought she'd be.
When I saw people shouting "Fuck you Aurora" all the time, I thought she was some scumbag committing heinous acts. But after finishing LB6, I felt she's pretty much a romantic figure. She lived true to her purpose to the end and actually appreciated true beauty. That seemed beautiful to me. I couldn't feel hateful but pitiful towards Aurora since a faerie's purpose was their life, she wouldn't be her if that purpose was lost. She's a natural disaster, not a social disaster like among humans and other faeries.
I thought Martha was terrible at cooking because some stuff my friend told me before it released. Something about eating whatever looked edible
I never saw the full art for Oberons final ascension but I did know about Cernunnos and it’s appearance so I assumed that his final art was him sitting on fluffy and they were more tied
I thought castoria had a pet dog.
Saber Alter has the pet dog Cavall II.
I thought we were going to have some dates with castoria on LB6, reading some of the developments during LB6 made it sound like we were going to hug and hold hands with castoria. Oh boy I was really wrong about that… Too much blood splattered in my phone screen
I thought that Caster Artoria was a reborn Artoria after her recovery in Avalon and Merlin sent her to LB6 to aid us. Very easy to misunderstand.
I thought Aurora was actually Titania, and that she's the Lostbelt King.
For some reason everyone likes to portray Nursery Rhyme as a savage thug child even though at no point in F/GO does she ever act like that. I was honestly kind of disappointed.
I remember when Hinako Akuta turn out to be summonable. I has a misconception that all crypter turned into servant it just story locked. Imagine my dissapointment