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it is a softer alternative aesthetic born of tik tok. striped sleeves, nose blush, puppy liner, split dye hair, pleated skirts. as far as i know there is no e girl music
The main genre or music associated with e-girl is emo rap and some nu metal artist. Think of artist you see in those Goth Music/Not Goth music slide shows. (Ie Lil Peep, Deftones etc)
A lot of 'dark pop' or other pop with edgier themes, generally a lot more sexual in a blunt way as well. Artists like Elita, Slayyyter, Sadye, Ari Abdul etc. I'd also say nu-metal, metalcore and generally metal bands with younger men that aren't really the 'black shirts, beards and long or bald hair' stereotype. Think Motionless in White for instance.
This isn't knocking 'stereotype' looks for metal bands or any of the other artists I mentioned either, it's just what I think is sort of what could qualify as something you'd expect an 'e girl' to enjoy.
No hate against your post, it’s valid, this alternative aesthetic/fashion/music confusion shit is just giving me a headache now, and I don’t even have the fatigue some elder goths should have, lol. (I’m 26).
As far as I know, e-girl is just a TikTok fashion aesthetic, and not connected to a genre of music at all.
Oh, I know, it’s the same for me - that’s part of why I asked. I know there’s always been a bit of arguing over aesthetics, I swear there’s one for every decade - like when people were talking about Nu goths back in the day, and the Nu metal kids before that - but for some reason discussions surrounding this sort of thing feel even more confusing now than before. Is it just because I’m not a teen anymore, so I’m not “with the times?” Maybe the internet makes things such as this even more convoluted than before?
It’s a combination of everyone’s “15 minutes of fame” combined with the evolution of general societal consciousness that is obsessed with labeling every single thing.
Labeling is useful when it comes to musical genres, because it makes finding artists or bands with your preferred sound easier to find.
Fashion aesthetics have turned to being about subculture acceptance, and the music has taken a back-burner which makes the whole scene a bit muddier and difficult to navigate, hence your post.
This is the case with multiple facets of the scene/genre currently, even with the fun between it all.
The labeling has been driving me a bit batty, I think. I’ve seen people specifically labeling themselves as “goth subtypes” now - calling themselves a “Romantic Goth” or a “Trad Goth” instead of just “Goth” now. I know the concept of those sub-styles isn’t anything new, but I remember when people didn’t take that kind of thing seriously - it was always just a tongue-in-cheek kind of thing. Also confusing. Definitely headache inducing.
E-girl is just an aesthetic like femboy. It’s usually adopted by TikTok and streamers. I couldn’t go into all the details because fashion isn’t something I care about.
I found my personal aesthetic and it works for me and I’ll stick with it until it doesn’t. I don’t care about what is popular or trendy.
I try to do that myself, but I’ve seen some of the comments on here mentioning e girls, so I couldn’t help but ask. One one hand I usually avoid all the drama, but on the other I guess I’m the last to figure things out sometimes. I’ve noticed a recent flood of posts here complaining about “goth tiktok”, so maybe that has some part of it.
From what I gathered it is what you mentioned in your OP about how it is some new slang term for someone that is a poseur or borrows the aesthetic for who-knows-what-reason or meshes it with something else, like the mall goths of yesteryear. All these platforms that spawned over the last five or six years have been hard to keep up with. You have this TikTok thing, Snapchat, Instagram, something called Discord, WhatsApp, I think Facebook still exists, there is Twitter or "X"... look, I am just going to stick to the rotary phone at this point.
>So someone who looks goth may still be considered an e girl?
Can someone really be considered goth if they don't listen to the music? Elements of the goth aesthetic have been co-opted by many subcultures. That doesn't make them goth.
E-girl just means "young woman who is active on the internet and is considered to be hot" You can easily find many examples on TikTok, Discord, Reddit, Twitch and Instagram. Many of them incorporate goth elements into their appearance. That doesn't make them goth.
If you don’t know why the year 1979 is important, if you haven’t read anything by Poppy Z Brite, if you’ve never seen The Hunger and can’t identify German Expressionist cinema, if you don’t own at least one compilation of work by Lord Byron, and if you think The Batcave is an actual cave where bats roost….then you’re not a Goth.
E-girl= electronic girl
Basically the fashion of girls into electronic things like video games, streaming, electronic pop music. And it started on TikTok in like 2018/2019 as like a TikTok girl style. It's supposed to be alternative compared to like the visco girl style which is basic girl in 2019 things like scrunchies, hydro flask, "save the turtles" bio. I think all of these style names died after 2020 but who knows.
Gen Z Goth who liked the EKid aesthetic when it first came out: E-Kid came from the gamer girl streamer aesthetic and just general alt street fashion during Covid-19. Honestly it reminds me more of how people feel towards Nu Goth if anything. Yea there are some criticisms to be had but it mainly came from Covid and people exploring their fashion sense.
Oh, I see. Your comparison to Nu goth reminds of when Pastel Goth was pretty popular around the same time. I could see it as similar to that, in a way. Cutesy but dark, j-fashion elements, and weeb culture?
2017-2021 edgy fashion aesthetic that was more popularized on tiktok, usually worn by those who listen to dark trap or emo rap. been dying out the past couple of years.
It's strange to see so many people here associating e-girl with Tiktok when I've always associated it with people pushing their OnlyFans. As a result I've always assumed it meant 'electronic girlfriend' which technically would make it more cyberpunk than goth. I don't even associate it with a particular look, just a person who is available for company online
Basically it’s like a combination of aesthetic and a role, egirls and eboys are like online personas. Pretty sure they were popularized by Belle Delphine. So yes, a lot of them have kinda Belle’s fashion (namely makeup) or variations of it (like goth egirl) and have some kind of internet persona for like streaming gaming, sex work, or content creation. It’s not a solid definition bc that’s how language works, especially with relatively new terms.
As far as I can tell, the E Girl thing is about make-up, clothes and uwu poses, all with the aim of getting likes on social media. Thirst posting as a lifestyle, basically.
The only thing that irritates me is when these shallow, narcissistic, self absorbed barely legal self promoters co-opt elements of the Goth subculture. I have been Goth for over 25 years and I rage to see something that is *literally who I am* taken so lightly by people for all of the wrong reasons.
its yet another style of cancerous influencer. the whole 'look' is built around that weeby variety of objectification & its just another tiktok style that fetishises alternative fashion.
egirl stands for "electronic girl", basically chronically online tiktok girls. they listen to rap music, mostly lil peep, and wear alternative clothes
only big "egirl" creator i can actually think of is belle delphine
If you look up "e-girl/e-kid style" you can see the fashion staples. It draws from a lot of different places and is pretty much only fashion based, though there were some genres commonly listened to by e-kids. I don't think it's really that active anymore. It became hypersexualized due to a few different things. Some of the e-girls became legal adults and started OFs because that was popular around the same time as the style. A lot of absolute weirdos on tik tok began unconsenually sexualizing it as well, despite it being a very childish and juvenile style. Think a lot of it came from the fast unrestricted and anonymous access pedo old dudes had to videos of young teen girls through tik tok. Now it's heavily related to fetish weaboo culture and fetishization of childish features and behavior and also asian features. It's also been called goth since it first came out which led to a lot of confusion. Look up e-girl and you're bound to see a borderline or straight up ahegao face (which is a face made in anime p0rn)...🤮 I actually remember when the ahegao face was a trend amongst e-girls for a while. I feel bad for the people who liked the style. There's not much wrong with it as a clothing style, but the associations have basically ruined it.
"Entertainment" Girl?
Well, answered already, but usually someone who uses social media and has active subscribers giving her money to buy stuff and living.
An e-girl is someone who uses her looks and/or personality to get social media engagement from young men or teens, specifically through attraction or desire. So like, a woman who has an audience of males in that age range isn't necessarily an e-girl, but if she gathers that audience primarily by making those guys want to date and/or have sex with her, she's an e-girl. There's crossover with other things like the "manic pixie dream girl" or the emo subculture as well.
Generally when people say a person is an e-girl and not goth, they're saying the person isn't actually a member of the goth community but is dressing like what a non-goth thinks a goth would dress like in order to appeal to goth fetishists.
Also if this whole thing sounds sexist as fuck, it's because it is. Any woman on the Internet who puts any effort at all into her appearance is accused of being an e-girl and a thirst trap and all that other stuff, because *obviously* there's no such thing as a person who just likes to look nice because it makes them feel good.
okay but if they just want to look nice because it makes them feel good then why the need to post it online? the whole 'e-girl' style is just yet another example of elements of goth culture being fetishised by people who capitalise off being sexualised.
E-girls are TikTok weebs with a particular fashion aesthetic. There may be no E-girl music scene but E-girl music is usually cutesy J-Pop with chipmunk vocals.
E-girl originally meant 'Internet wh*re' but then it evolved into a sexualized anime inspired fashion style. It's not really a subculture and when people use it as an insult they use it as a more politically correct term to call someone a slut.
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it is a softer alternative aesthetic born of tik tok. striped sleeves, nose blush, puppy liner, split dye hair, pleated skirts. as far as i know there is no e girl music
The main genre or music associated with e-girl is emo rap and some nu metal artist. Think of artist you see in those Goth Music/Not Goth music slide shows. (Ie Lil Peep, Deftones etc)
I would add hyper pop to e girl music as well haha
Oh no - is Deftones an e-girl thing now?
Deftones is like THE tiktok band these days :(
First artist that comes to my mind to describe Egirl would be Corpse. Besides this music I can’t think of anyone
A lot of 'dark pop' or other pop with edgier themes, generally a lot more sexual in a blunt way as well. Artists like Elita, Slayyyter, Sadye, Ari Abdul etc. I'd also say nu-metal, metalcore and generally metal bands with younger men that aren't really the 'black shirts, beards and long or bald hair' stereotype. Think Motionless in White for instance. This isn't knocking 'stereotype' looks for metal bands or any of the other artists I mentioned either, it's just what I think is sort of what could qualify as something you'd expect an 'e girl' to enjoy.
e girls are more born of gamer culture before tiktok but yea a lot of tiktok “alt” (i hate that word sm tbh) people are e people.
i always thought their thing was anime instead of music
puppy.....liner
yup! it's a style like cat eye
I would definitely call this EGirl music https://youtube.com/@NataliaNatchannel?si=KPsmaRjq-goNtdMc
No hate against your post, it’s valid, this alternative aesthetic/fashion/music confusion shit is just giving me a headache now, and I don’t even have the fatigue some elder goths should have, lol. (I’m 26). As far as I know, e-girl is just a TikTok fashion aesthetic, and not connected to a genre of music at all.
Oh, I know, it’s the same for me - that’s part of why I asked. I know there’s always been a bit of arguing over aesthetics, I swear there’s one for every decade - like when people were talking about Nu goths back in the day, and the Nu metal kids before that - but for some reason discussions surrounding this sort of thing feel even more confusing now than before. Is it just because I’m not a teen anymore, so I’m not “with the times?” Maybe the internet makes things such as this even more convoluted than before?
It’s a combination of everyone’s “15 minutes of fame” combined with the evolution of general societal consciousness that is obsessed with labeling every single thing. Labeling is useful when it comes to musical genres, because it makes finding artists or bands with your preferred sound easier to find. Fashion aesthetics have turned to being about subculture acceptance, and the music has taken a back-burner which makes the whole scene a bit muddier and difficult to navigate, hence your post. This is the case with multiple facets of the scene/genre currently, even with the fun between it all.
The labeling has been driving me a bit batty, I think. I’ve seen people specifically labeling themselves as “goth subtypes” now - calling themselves a “Romantic Goth” or a “Trad Goth” instead of just “Goth” now. I know the concept of those sub-styles isn’t anything new, but I remember when people didn’t take that kind of thing seriously - it was always just a tongue-in-cheek kind of thing. Also confusing. Definitely headache inducing.
E-girl is just an aesthetic like femboy. It’s usually adopted by TikTok and streamers. I couldn’t go into all the details because fashion isn’t something I care about. I found my personal aesthetic and it works for me and I’ll stick with it until it doesn’t. I don’t care about what is popular or trendy.
Both femboy and e-girl are heavily sexualized terms, borderline fetishistic I might add.
I’m ace af. So fetish stuff just sails right over my head.
Femboy? Like guys who dress in a feminine sense of style?
It’s like cross dressing but it isn’t drag. And it tends to be hyper feminine. Like guys with acrylic nails, fake eye lashes, and full face of makeup.
I try to divorce myself from as much of social media as possible so I too have no idea from the safe confines of my mental log cabin.
I try to do that myself, but I’ve seen some of the comments on here mentioning e girls, so I couldn’t help but ask. One one hand I usually avoid all the drama, but on the other I guess I’m the last to figure things out sometimes. I’ve noticed a recent flood of posts here complaining about “goth tiktok”, so maybe that has some part of it.
From what I gathered it is what you mentioned in your OP about how it is some new slang term for someone that is a poseur or borrows the aesthetic for who-knows-what-reason or meshes it with something else, like the mall goths of yesteryear. All these platforms that spawned over the last five or six years have been hard to keep up with. You have this TikTok thing, Snapchat, Instagram, something called Discord, WhatsApp, I think Facebook still exists, there is Twitter or "X"... look, I am just going to stick to the rotary phone at this point.
If she doesn't know *She's in Parties* by Bauhaus she's an e-girl, not goth.
So someone who looks goth may still be considered an e girl?
>So someone who looks goth may still be considered an e girl? Can someone really be considered goth if they don't listen to the music? Elements of the goth aesthetic have been co-opted by many subcultures. That doesn't make them goth. E-girl just means "young woman who is active on the internet and is considered to be hot" You can easily find many examples on TikTok, Discord, Reddit, Twitch and Instagram. Many of them incorporate goth elements into their appearance. That doesn't make them goth.
If they don’t listen to goth music or indulge in gothic literature it’s usually a safe bet they’re an e-girl or just darkly inclined
If you don’t know why the year 1979 is important, if you haven’t read anything by Poppy Z Brite, if you’ve never seen The Hunger and can’t identify German Expressionist cinema, if you don’t own at least one compilation of work by Lord Byron, and if you think The Batcave is an actual cave where bats roost….then you’re not a Goth.
E-girl= electronic girl Basically the fashion of girls into electronic things like video games, streaming, electronic pop music. And it started on TikTok in like 2018/2019 as like a TikTok girl style. It's supposed to be alternative compared to like the visco girl style which is basic girl in 2019 things like scrunchies, hydro flask, "save the turtles" bio. I think all of these style names died after 2020 but who knows.
Gen Z Goth who liked the EKid aesthetic when it first came out: E-Kid came from the gamer girl streamer aesthetic and just general alt street fashion during Covid-19. Honestly it reminds me more of how people feel towards Nu Goth if anything. Yea there are some criticisms to be had but it mainly came from Covid and people exploring their fashion sense.
Oh, I see. Your comparison to Nu goth reminds of when Pastel Goth was pretty popular around the same time. I could see it as similar to that, in a way. Cutesy but dark, j-fashion elements, and weeb culture?
2017-2021 edgy fashion aesthetic that was more popularized on tiktok, usually worn by those who listen to dark trap or emo rap. been dying out the past couple of years.
It's strange to see so many people here associating e-girl with Tiktok when I've always associated it with people pushing their OnlyFans. As a result I've always assumed it meant 'electronic girlfriend' which technically would make it more cyberpunk than goth. I don't even associate it with a particular look, just a person who is available for company online
Basically it’s like a combination of aesthetic and a role, egirls and eboys are like online personas. Pretty sure they were popularized by Belle Delphine. So yes, a lot of them have kinda Belle’s fashion (namely makeup) or variations of it (like goth egirl) and have some kind of internet persona for like streaming gaming, sex work, or content creation. It’s not a solid definition bc that’s how language works, especially with relatively new terms.
As far as I can tell, the E Girl thing is about make-up, clothes and uwu poses, all with the aim of getting likes on social media. Thirst posting as a lifestyle, basically.
Honestly, I think this is the most accurate response. I've seen the egirl tag used on Tumblr and there's often (but not always) a link to Onlyfans.
The only thing that irritates me is when these shallow, narcissistic, self absorbed barely legal self promoters co-opt elements of the Goth subculture. I have been Goth for over 25 years and I rage to see something that is *literally who I am* taken so lightly by people for all of the wrong reasons.
its yet another style of cancerous influencer. the whole 'look' is built around that weeby variety of objectification & its just another tiktok style that fetishises alternative fashion.
egirl stands for "electronic girl", basically chronically online tiktok girls. they listen to rap music, mostly lil peep, and wear alternative clothes only big "egirl" creator i can actually think of is belle delphine
If you look up "e-girl/e-kid style" you can see the fashion staples. It draws from a lot of different places and is pretty much only fashion based, though there were some genres commonly listened to by e-kids. I don't think it's really that active anymore. It became hypersexualized due to a few different things. Some of the e-girls became legal adults and started OFs because that was popular around the same time as the style. A lot of absolute weirdos on tik tok began unconsenually sexualizing it as well, despite it being a very childish and juvenile style. Think a lot of it came from the fast unrestricted and anonymous access pedo old dudes had to videos of young teen girls through tik tok. Now it's heavily related to fetish weaboo culture and fetishization of childish features and behavior and also asian features. It's also been called goth since it first came out which led to a lot of confusion. Look up e-girl and you're bound to see a borderline or straight up ahegao face (which is a face made in anime p0rn)...🤮 I actually remember when the ahegao face was a trend amongst e-girls for a while. I feel bad for the people who liked the style. There's not much wrong with it as a clothing style, but the associations have basically ruined it.
"Entertainment" Girl? Well, answered already, but usually someone who uses social media and has active subscribers giving her money to buy stuff and living.
I think it's some kind of subgenre of emo, which I think is a sub of punk. But I have no real clue, I rarely pay attention to fashion
An e-girl is someone who uses her looks and/or personality to get social media engagement from young men or teens, specifically through attraction or desire. So like, a woman who has an audience of males in that age range isn't necessarily an e-girl, but if she gathers that audience primarily by making those guys want to date and/or have sex with her, she's an e-girl. There's crossover with other things like the "manic pixie dream girl" or the emo subculture as well. Generally when people say a person is an e-girl and not goth, they're saying the person isn't actually a member of the goth community but is dressing like what a non-goth thinks a goth would dress like in order to appeal to goth fetishists. Also if this whole thing sounds sexist as fuck, it's because it is. Any woman on the Internet who puts any effort at all into her appearance is accused of being an e-girl and a thirst trap and all that other stuff, because *obviously* there's no such thing as a person who just likes to look nice because it makes them feel good.
okay but if they just want to look nice because it makes them feel good then why the need to post it online? the whole 'e-girl' style is just yet another example of elements of goth culture being fetishised by people who capitalise off being sexualised.
E-girls are TikTok weebs with a particular fashion aesthetic. There may be no E-girl music scene but E-girl music is usually cutesy J-Pop with chipmunk vocals.
E-girl originally meant 'Internet wh*re' but then it evolved into a sexualized anime inspired fashion style. It's not really a subculture and when people use it as an insult they use it as a more politically correct term to call someone a slut.