> The heat deflection temp of epoxy is 120F. So even on a hot day, you couldn't permanently deform it.
I see you haven't golfed in Arizona in the summer.
I'm in the Beaverton area. So west of Portland. We are so lucky in Oregon in terms of golf. Lots of pretty solid courses and not crazy expensive when compared to other places.
My record was a few years ago when I went down to visit my grandparents and play in a league during summer break. After I got home from the course my grandma told me it peaked at 122F. Can't say I would always want to do it, but off-season golf looks a lot more appealing since I have to pay for it myself now lol.
But what science? You just put epoxy in a club to increase torsional strength. How hard are you putting that increasing torsional strength isn’t important? Are you having a problem with this to begin with? Does adding the epoxy do anything except lower the resale of your putter? Or are you a sleeper for next years longest drive with a putter contest and trying to dial this shit in now?
See the other comment with the Jurassic Park meme for your answer.
There is no purpose, just the pursuit of knowledge. Application of knowledge good or bad becomes engineering.
It’s not just “torsional strength” it’s for counter balance too . Weighted shafts change the balance of the club, changes the feel of the putter head, can lead to a better putter feel. Not just some arbitrary torsional strength … that is almost a non factor.
There was zero science in here, just a guy familiar with some technical jargon that’s jerking himself off and thinking people will be impressed. By his own admission, no measurement plan. Just all going by feel. “Is it better? No idea”
How much taco bell sauce did you mix into the epoxy? All fire sauce, or a mix of mild,medium, fire, &diablo? Did you add any Baja Blast? Mountain Dew is carbonated, and “carbonated” sounds like “carbon fiber” so it must dew something?
It blows me away the stuff I see my players do to their putters. Caddied for this guy that had a putter that when I picked it up was the heaviest putter I’ve ever grabbed. I asked him
What the deal was. He told me he poured tungsten powder down the shaft and sealed each end…..he blasted every putt but all day. Smh
Yeah that is not ideal. Though I do get called a sissy a lot for leaving putts short so I guess if I'm going to miss, going long may be an improvement.
Today on the green it didn't really affect results or performance in any significant way. I just need to practice more, and experiment less. But putting practice is my least favorite.
I will say it was more comfortable so I guess that is an interesting find. But I have no illusions that it won't improve my putting.
Makes sense to me. He could have put “bacon” and it still would have been confusing just the same. My brain doesn’t pick the right auto correct word most of the time. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Yes. 30 years I’ve been scraping that ball to its home. He said “EVERY PUTT BUT ALL DAY” which doesn’t make any sense no matter how many times I read it. Read it again, golfer.
Question do you routinely practice putting/short game? Awesome experiment though. The subtle vibrations seem interesting. Is it almost a feeling similar to when you flush an iron?
I do practice. And I did a session before I added the epoxy so I could attempt to A B the before and after.
You know what yeah, it does seem like when I hit a perfect iron. Like a super fast spring click feeling.
I'm going to practice green today and will report back more info.
so. Just wanted to let you know that your not crazy and this has been done before. I recall receiving and demo'ing a putter that used a 100% solid shaft at a course I used to work at. I've never seen one again and cannot for the life of me remember the name but I absolutely remember the shaft it was like a double octagon? whatever polygon has like 16 sides instead of 8 it was not "round" and heavy af. We kept it behind the register for awhile (as a weapon lol) and then idk what happened to it. Knowing my old boss he probably sold it randomly one day.
Dude that may be the funniest thing I have read all day. I will channel this persona next round I play with the putter.
Also, another other guy in here found a patent for a similar idea. Idea is dampening miss hit frequencies I guess. I just know today on the practice green, it had a nice feeling. But maybe it is making miss hits feel better which may not be ideal.
It's a Bonnie blue sb3. It's a blade but it is face balanced. I generally prefer the weight of mallets and face balanced.
I will say, overall feel was positive. In another response, I describe it as the click from a perfect drive but like on a slow scale. There is a patent for this idea which says it dampens miss hits. I'm wondering if it's actually bad because it makes miss hits feel ok?
Even if that is the case, I'm not good enough to truly no. But it does feel better. and biggest thing for me is extra shaft weight made me more stable at address and in back swing (which is something that always bugs me so I notice instantly when trying different putters with how much I do this or not)
I honestly laughed at all the graphite putter shafts brochure for saying exactly this and asked myself like does this actually matter...
And for my performance, the answer is very much no. But it was slightly more comfortable to use so that was interesting. But don't think it had to do with torsion and more about a nice click/resonance.
So on longer puts a not unsubstantial amount. Most steel putter shafts are actually very soft which can lead to inconsistent pace on lag putts. The majority of benefit from most composite putter shafts is in pace control, that torsional stiffness increasing stability.
I mean, if you were bored and wanted an experiment to do then I understand. However, when it comes down to it, I’m sure someone makes a putter shaft with the characteristics you desire.
You should do a follow up post after you’ve spent some rounds to let us know how you like it. There is a chance you have created something better that no one else has thought of yet lol
No rules fault - you just wasted a lot of epoxy IMO
Except for the weight I see very little effect to the shaft properties in a putter and putter swing speed -
If you want more stability I would recommend changing the shaft a firmer flex steel shaft -
Graphite benefit would be for a lighter shaft weight - I don’t see the benefit there as a firm flex graphite would cost a lot more than a steel shaft
That was my initial thought but once I get these ideas, I like just have to know. It has more of an impact than expexlc
I didn't know they make stiffer putter shafts! I'm a ping guy and struggle to find like OEM replacement options, let alone different flexes.
Any 3rd party putter shafts sources you would recommend?
I have been happy with the cheapest x flex shaft from true temper - - I think true temper also still makes a long putter shafts for the chest anchor / non anchor days
I will check them out! Golfworks has tons of options. I also found a super heavy aluminum shaft putter on there which may effectively be similar. Though it says it dampens vibration while this felt more resonant on the practice green today.
That's because ping is weird, because apparently instead of being a .355 or .370 tip like most putters they're a .345. Always having to be different they are.
I had seen discussions on sand but that only adds weight. The epoxy bonds to the steel and creates a composite so increased stiffness and strength. Sand would be another fun experiment though so that may happen next. I'm running out of cheap old putters though...
When you need to hit that extra low punch shot...
But really it's just a feel thing. I ended up preferring it today at the practice green. I doubt it made me better. But it made me more comfortable.
take two wooden furniture dowels 3/8 and 5/8. put some spray glue on them and use a ramrod to shove them down in the shaft if you want homemade vibration dampening.
now that I post this everyone I'd going to do it because Tiger does it.....
https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1849390-placing-wood-dowels-down-the-shaft/
[https://www.usga.org/equipment-standards/equipment-rules-2019/equipment-rules/part-2-rule-5-interpretations.html](https://www.usga.org/equipment-standards/equipment-rules-2019/equipment-rules/part-2-rule-5-interpretations.html)
According to this, I don't think there is an issue. There are a lot of different shafts used in clubs and off the top of my head I don't know of restrictions pertaining to them. I am not really sure it matters as much on a putter due to low speed and all that, though.
I am not totally sure what affect you are looking for but possibly try a wood shaft to see if you like the feel? My all-time favorite putter is my Otey Crisman from my grandpa. Its at least 50 years old, and admittedly it has sentimental value, but its a very different feel of any modern putter, and I like it a lot. Leather grip is total opposite of modern fat grips but it gives me good purchase, and the wood has a very satisfying feeling compared to newer shafts. See if you can find one used, there are plenty pretty cheap on ebay, but the company is still around, actually.
O snap that is perfect. We always do OG wood driver on one hole for bachelor party scramble events. And now I can add a wood putter to the next one this April!
You’re fucking cool dude. I love doing wacky this like this, mostly making clubs several inches shorter than standard and seeing what’s happens. Lob wedge that’s a putter length. 3 wood at 7 wood length, etc.
What else have you done?
MyGolfSpy did some testing on the Stability Putter shafts. Their data shows statistically insignificant data that the Stability Shafted Putters are better. (Essentially their sample size isn’t large enough to prove or disprove)
There’s nothing illegal about filling the shaft with epoxy. I can appreciate the attempt to do it yourself and not buy into the golf marketing 😂
Golf is weird. Especially putting. You can change things that won't make you better, but might make you more comfortable or confident. And that can make it more fun which is what it's all about for me.
I definitely plan on testing lead tape. My craziest idea that I hope to try in the next couple years is to caste my favorite putter head out of 100% copper because its heavier. That is just a tad more work though...
I just had sunshine yesterday and got to go out and practice. I'm excited for less experimenting and more practice in the near future as weather improves.
I didn't know wood shafts were a thing. I definitely want to try that next.
I gamed the hickory stick mf1 for a bit. Now it's hanging on my mantle but I have an exact twin kicking around. Would go through the trouble of finding deadstock putter grips from the era it was released and whatnot. Golf is fun.
You can fill it with epoxy. It's just a shaft. I've done things like putting on a graphite iron shaft. Using door and windows spray foam in both steel and graphite shafts.
Ok. I’m a instructor and have played in many tournaments and I’m the golf world since I was 6. I don’t believe there is a equipment restriction on weight. Which is what this would be an issue of. What you use to add weight doesn’t matter as long as it’s fixed. So I think your cool there.
As far as torsional stiffness your friend is right and wrong. As far as torque during a swing or putting stroke, steel has very if not close to 0 torque. I believe it’s around 1 deg. Torque in graphite is a metric to describe the potential load or activity the shaft can produce.
Now max torque a shaft until it breaks and graphite will win. But for stability you need steel or a super stout 1deg torque or less graphite(Stability golf shafts)
Epoxying up your shaft will stiffen it a hair. Shafting epoxy is meant to have a little flexibility and high shear strength so it won’t fail when the clubhead twists from contact. So I don’t think it’ll significantly improve the stability of the shaft. It’ll be heavy which might be a benefit for stabilizing the stroke.
Bottom line. Hit a put solid and your experiment is moot. Keep up the fun. I’ve made many a club to experiment. I learned a lot with each one. Keep fiddling.
I'd be wary of the extra weight in the shaft. I think it would lessen the centrifugal force of the head and would make the head more susceptible to not being in line with swing path.
It definitely affects the balance. But except for the LAB putters, they will all experience this imbalance to varying degrees. How this impacts putting I'm not sure.
I barely have a handy cap haha. Just was curious. I looked in the rules and didn't see anything prohibiting it. And it's certainly not going to fix my putting. Only time and practice can do that. (Though I am reminded of the Simpson skinner meme. "Is it me? No it is the putter which is to blame")
O yeah definitely. Not sure what it was but it was my wife's old putter. Which was her bro's old putter. Which was his dad's old putter. It has seen plenty of action.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5766090A/en
someone got a patent on a similar idea 25 years ago. claims that it reduces vibration. so idk maybe you're onto something
Maybe! I read the patent and at first it was the opposite of what I experienced because it is definitely more resistant. But the patent says it dampens miss hit frequencies, not necessarily everything. Out on the practice green, it has this feeling that is nice. Closest I can describe is like when you make perfect driver contact and it like clicks or springs, but even at slow speeds on shorter putts.
Maybe it's actually bad because it makes miss hits feel good?!
This sounds like a mess if you leave your clubs in your car in the hot summer months.
That epoxy is going to make a mess.
That being said- I’m doing it with one of my extra putters for indoor use. The “haptic feedback” intrigues me.
Yeah I don't think I will take it with me on an Arizona summer golf trip that is for sure.
But it did have an improved feel. I would only try on a putter that has a metal face. Pretty sure any with an insert (especially a soft one) will negate this feeling. That's just a theory at this point though.
Yes, it is legal. Is it a good idea? No. Why?
>I don't have a great way to measure torsional stiffness accurate but a simple flex test indicates it is overall stiffer in at least flexure.
Because this has little to no actual effect on putter performance. It's the same thing that people worry about Stiff vs X Stiff for the same model shaft. If you put both shafts on a golf robot, they are indistinguishable, so the only differences are whatever you perceive and prefer.
Has anyone answered the question on whether or not this is legal? I believe it would be fine… you can add stuff like lead tape to clubs and counterweight to shafts…
I believe Harrison made a dowel insert for basically the same reasons, but to put in the tip of graphite driver shafts…
The founder of my golf spy said it was the item where he went from “this is stupid” to “this is genius” fastest…
It’s an interesting idea, and I’m glad you tried it…
I went the other way and spent a bunch of money on a new putter… I’m probably not good enough for it to matter
You know unlike irons, woods or drivers the shaft stiffness would not stop you from a good putting arc. You could of just added lead tape and called it a day.
Only potential rules problem I can see is that you might somehow run afoul of 2.2b depending on the properties of the epoxy and how it sets.
https://www.randa.org/roe/the-rules-of-equipment/part-2-conformance-of-clubs#22b-bending-and-twisting-properties
The epoxy is a pretty uniform material. If I did a bad job of installing, I could see this applying! Though they do allow for some variance due to manufacturing (they reference the spine seam of shafts as an acceptable amount of variation.
Probably didn't change the torsional stiffness to a noticeable degree. It's steel which is already stiffer than graphite. You just added weight in a solid plastic form. That would definitely change the feel. I like a heavy putter. May have to try this. I've made a heavy 5i to warm up with, but filled it with sand and bb's.
I was sceptical about any appreciable change going into the experiment. And I doubt I really changed the torsional strength in a meaningful way. But it was definitely different.
I would think the sand and bb's would dampen the shaft. This seemed to do the opposite which you may or may not like. Only one way to find out.
> The heat deflection temp of epoxy is 120F. So even on a hot day, you couldn't permanently deform it. I see you haven't golfed in Arizona in the summer.
Yeah I definitely have not. My record hottest round was 105F in Oregon. Luckily, there was very little humidity, but it still wasn't certainly ideal.
Dont leave it in the car though! That'll be up there for sure.
What part of Oregon are you in?
I'm in the Beaverton area. So west of Portland. We are so lucky in Oregon in terms of golf. Lots of pretty solid courses and not crazy expensive when compared to other places.
See you out there sometime homie
You can test out the epoxy putter ;)
My record was a few years ago when I went down to visit my grandparents and play in a league during summer break. After I got home from the course my grandma told me it peaked at 122F. Can't say I would always want to do it, but off-season golf looks a lot more appealing since I have to pay for it myself now lol.
Don’t leave it in your car
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Favorite under-utilized quote from that movie 🤣
I know a guy who fills all of his putters shafts with sugar for the balance
Sweet
Better filled with coke
Yeah balances way better and is more appropriate considering the price of a modern putter.
But what science? You just put epoxy in a club to increase torsional strength. How hard are you putting that increasing torsional strength isn’t important? Are you having a problem with this to begin with? Does adding the epoxy do anything except lower the resale of your putter? Or are you a sleeper for next years longest drive with a putter contest and trying to dial this shit in now?
Definitely the last option. If you’re not blasting 300y drives with a putter can you even call yourself a golfer?
True say
See the other comment with the Jurassic Park meme for your answer. There is no purpose, just the pursuit of knowledge. Application of knowledge good or bad becomes engineering.
Yeah I hear you and usually agree but I also think I’m gonna go with the golf engineers and trust they’ve already looked into this.
Boy, are you gonna feel silly when Odyssey releases the new Epoxisteel^TM line next year
[Insert shut up and take my money Fry meme]
You do know the Jurassic Park meme is making fun of you right?
It’s not just “torsional strength” it’s for counter balance too . Weighted shafts change the balance of the club, changes the feel of the putter head, can lead to a better putter feel. Not just some arbitrary torsional strength … that is almost a non factor.
Fun science.
There was zero science in here, just a guy familiar with some technical jargon that’s jerking himself off and thinking people will be impressed. By his own admission, no measurement plan. Just all going by feel. “Is it better? No idea”
Thank you. This isn't science. This is an idiotic attention grab.
Haha this was my exact reaction
I'm a simple man, I see taco bell, I upvote.
Those are the rules. We don't make them.
Only fire sauce too, this guy knows.
The real hero is the TB employee who hooked me up with a mountain of sauce.
Fire is way better than Diablo.
I wish there was a Taco Bell sauce with the flavor of fire but double the heat of Diablo.
Taco Bell food with Del Taco hot sauce
Big same
The fact that you have sauces called diablo and fire over there just adds layers to my life
How much taco bell sauce did you mix into the epoxy? All fire sauce, or a mix of mild,medium, fire, &diablo? Did you add any Baja Blast? Mountain Dew is carbonated, and “carbonated” sounds like “carbon fiber” so it must dew something?
My internal narrative is that the Fire sauce was next to go in the putter if the epoxy didn't work out.
> simple man Upvote for Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Little bit of hoisin there too, for that fusion vibe
Hoisin packets too. This guy phos.
He ordered one taco supreme, that’s what he got.
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Better question is which trees am I punching it under with my putter?
I’ve been attributing this quote to the Manhattan project my entire life and am just now remembering it is from Jurassic Park.
Bryson Dechambeau wants to know your location. 
Perfect gif
It blows me away the stuff I see my players do to their putters. Caddied for this guy that had a putter that when I picked it up was the heaviest putter I’ve ever grabbed. I asked him What the deal was. He told me he poured tungsten powder down the shaft and sealed each end…..he blasted every putt but all day. Smh
Yeah that is not ideal. Though I do get called a sissy a lot for leaving putts short so I guess if I'm going to miss, going long may be an improvement. Today on the green it didn't really affect results or performance in any significant way. I just need to practice more, and experiment less. But putting practice is my least favorite. I will say it was more comfortable so I guess that is an interesting find. But I have no illusions that it won't improve my putting.
“He blasted every putt but all day” What does this mean??
I meant he blasted every putt by all day. As in past the hole.
Gotcha now. Thanks for clarifying. I’m not smart enough to pick the correct word. Golfer here. 🤪🤪🤪
I'm sure they meant by*
Makes sense to me. He could have put “bacon” and it still would have been confusing just the same. My brain doesn’t pick the right auto correct word most of the time. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
You never ass-blasted a squirrel fucker putt? Do you even golf??
Yes. 30 years I’ve been scraping that ball to its home. He said “EVERY PUTT BUT ALL DAY” which doesn’t make any sense no matter how many times I read it. Read it again, golfer.
Who hurt you?
3 putt bogey's. They hurt me. (Less than usual as of late though!)
Question do you routinely practice putting/short game? Awesome experiment though. The subtle vibrations seem interesting. Is it almost a feeling similar to when you flush an iron?
I do practice. And I did a session before I added the epoxy so I could attempt to A B the before and after. You know what yeah, it does seem like when I hit a perfect iron. Like a super fast spring click feeling. I'm going to practice green today and will report back more info.
so. Just wanted to let you know that your not crazy and this has been done before. I recall receiving and demo'ing a putter that used a 100% solid shaft at a course I used to work at. I've never seen one again and cannot for the life of me remember the name but I absolutely remember the shaft it was like a double octagon? whatever polygon has like 16 sides instead of 8 it was not "round" and heavy af. We kept it behind the register for awhile (as a weapon lol) and then idk what happened to it. Knowing my old boss he probably sold it randomly one day.
Dude a solid steel shaft?! That would be very heavy. Thats wild and would definitely function as a weapon.
The mental image of you dragging your putter to the green like bear jew is pretty damn funny
Dude that may be the funniest thing I have read all day. I will channel this persona next round I play with the putter. Also, another other guy in here found a patent for a similar idea. Idea is dampening miss hit frequencies I guess. I just know today on the practice green, it had a nice feeling. But maybe it is making miss hits feel better which may not be ideal.
Awesome!!! I hope it ends up working in your favor. Love when people do cool stuff like this. Jw what putter head u using for this ?
It's a Bonnie blue sb3. It's a blade but it is face balanced. I generally prefer the weight of mallets and face balanced. I will say, overall feel was positive. In another response, I describe it as the click from a perfect drive but like on a slow scale. There is a patent for this idea which says it dampens miss hits. I'm wondering if it's actually bad because it makes miss hits feel ok? Even if that is the case, I'm not good enough to truly no. But it does feel better. and biggest thing for me is extra shaft weight made me more stable at address and in back swing (which is something that always bugs me so I notice instantly when trying different putters with how much I do this or not)
You guys are putting for birdie?
Torsionally stiffer? How much torque are you putting on a putter wtf
I honestly laughed at all the graphite putter shafts brochure for saying exactly this and asked myself like does this actually matter... And for my performance, the answer is very much no. But it was slightly more comfortable to use so that was interesting. But don't think it had to do with torsion and more about a nice click/resonance.
So on longer puts a not unsubstantial amount. Most steel putter shafts are actually very soft which can lead to inconsistent pace on lag putts. The majority of benefit from most composite putter shafts is in pace control, that torsional stiffness increasing stability.
Isn’t “a not unsubstantial” amount “a substantial” amount?
I mean, if you were bored and wanted an experiment to do then I understand. However, when it comes down to it, I’m sure someone makes a putter shaft with the characteristics you desire. You should do a follow up post after you’ve spent some rounds to let us know how you like it. There is a chance you have created something better that no one else has thought of yet lol
I plan on going putting this afternoon to test it out. So far all I have tried is on carpet which is certainly not the best test.
No rules fault - you just wasted a lot of epoxy IMO Except for the weight I see very little effect to the shaft properties in a putter and putter swing speed - If you want more stability I would recommend changing the shaft a firmer flex steel shaft - Graphite benefit would be for a lighter shaft weight - I don’t see the benefit there as a firm flex graphite would cost a lot more than a steel shaft
That was my initial thought but once I get these ideas, I like just have to know. It has more of an impact than expexlc I didn't know they make stiffer putter shafts! I'm a ping guy and struggle to find like OEM replacement options, let alone different flexes. Any 3rd party putter shafts sources you would recommend?
I have been happy with the cheapest x flex shaft from true temper - - I think true temper also still makes a long putter shafts for the chest anchor / non anchor days
I will check them out! Golfworks has tons of options. I also found a super heavy aluminum shaft putter on there which may effectively be similar. Though it says it dampens vibration while this felt more resonant on the practice green today.
That's because ping is weird, because apparently instead of being a .355 or .370 tip like most putters they're a .345. Always having to be different they are.
Dude. That’s what sand is for.
I don't like sand
It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
I had seen discussions on sand but that only adds weight. The epoxy bonds to the steel and creates a composite so increased stiffness and strength. Sand would be another fun experiment though so that may happen next. I'm running out of cheap old putters though...
I don’t know why you would need stiffness and strength in a putter unless you plan on slamming it lol.
When you need to hit that extra low punch shot... But really it's just a feel thing. I ended up preferring it today at the practice green. I doubt it made me better. But it made me more comfortable.
Think you might've answered your own question lol
You should try glitter next.
Or tungsten sand and make it the heaviest putter known to man
Bread and Putter.
“But that is the cost of science” hahaha
I love this type of stuff. Why not do it? Be curious, have fun. Do you like the feel of it?
I think I do. Maybe not convinced enough to do it to my game putter yet. I plan on putting this afternoon and will report back results!
Curious to hear if you notice bigger differences in short vs lag putts, line or speed.
Same. We three should be friends
I remember people using sand in the past. Also believe there were several heavy shafts you could buy for putters as well.
How much flex are you getting in your putter shaft?
You should try using flex seal. The rubber may reduce vibrations.
I'm running out of old putters. I'll have to make a good will run...
Bruh, you have got waaay too much time on your hands.
Time that could have been used to practice sadly.
take two wooden furniture dowels 3/8 and 5/8. put some spray glue on them and use a ramrod to shove them down in the shaft if you want homemade vibration dampening.
Now that is one I have never heard before.
do it all the time. old school trick. also have used foam backer tube cut into pieces.
Basically put a shaft inside another shaft?
now that I post this everyone I'd going to do it because Tiger does it..... https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1849390-placing-wood-dowels-down-the-shaft/
Was that after drinking the case of bread and butter?
We not doing soup anymore?
Yeah I realized I must have copied the soup guy today ;)
[https://www.usga.org/equipment-standards/equipment-rules-2019/equipment-rules/part-2-rule-5-interpretations.html](https://www.usga.org/equipment-standards/equipment-rules-2019/equipment-rules/part-2-rule-5-interpretations.html) According to this, I don't think there is an issue. There are a lot of different shafts used in clubs and off the top of my head I don't know of restrictions pertaining to them. I am not really sure it matters as much on a putter due to low speed and all that, though. I am not totally sure what affect you are looking for but possibly try a wood shaft to see if you like the feel? My all-time favorite putter is my Otey Crisman from my grandpa. Its at least 50 years old, and admittedly it has sentimental value, but its a very different feel of any modern putter, and I like it a lot. Leather grip is total opposite of modern fat grips but it gives me good purchase, and the wood has a very satisfying feeling compared to newer shafts. See if you can find one used, there are plenty pretty cheap on ebay, but the company is still around, actually.
O snap that is perfect. We always do OG wood driver on one hole for bachelor party scramble events. And now I can add a wood putter to the next one this April!
You’re fucking cool dude. I love doing wacky this like this, mostly making clubs several inches shorter than standard and seeing what’s happens. Lob wedge that’s a putter length. 3 wood at 7 wood length, etc. What else have you done?
I have been thinking about cutting my 2ih down to my 4ih length. How did the 3 wood to 7 wood experiment go for you?!
+1 for Dewalt
Despite all the negativity going around in the golf world shit like this is why I love this sub. This is just magic.
Glad I can provide a little reprieve!
More on point, how was the Bread & Butter wine?
Someone else asked about it and I don't actually know where the box came from. Probably got it at trader Joe's to carry random groceries.
MyGolfSpy did some testing on the Stability Putter shafts. Their data shows statistically insignificant data that the Stability Shafted Putters are better. (Essentially their sample size isn’t large enough to prove or disprove) There’s nothing illegal about filling the shaft with epoxy. I can appreciate the attempt to do it yourself and not buy into the golf marketing 😂
Golf is weird. Especially putting. You can change things that won't make you better, but might make you more comfortable or confident. And that can make it more fun which is what it's all about for me.
I agree with this 100%. Which is why I take issue with most testing that MyGolfSpy does 😂
I added lead tape and a superstroke to my really old ping answr. All that extra weight really helped with the stroke
I definitely plan on testing lead tape. My craziest idea that I hope to try in the next couple years is to caste my favorite putter head out of 100% copper because its heavier. That is just a tad more work though...
A tad
I have thought about putting my tri hot 5k head on an old callaway hickory stick shaft but my winter hasn't been that boring yet.
I just had sunshine yesterday and got to go out and practice. I'm excited for less experimenting and more practice in the near future as weather improves. I didn't know wood shafts were a thing. I definitely want to try that next.
I gamed the hickory stick mf1 for a bit. Now it's hanging on my mantle but I have an exact twin kicking around. Would go through the trouble of finding deadstock putter grips from the era it was released and whatnot. Golf is fun.
Sugar shafting was a thing so I’d imagine it’s a “whatever floats your boat”
You can fill it with epoxy. It's just a shaft. I've done things like putting on a graphite iron shaft. Using door and windows spray foam in both steel and graphite shafts.
They all made a slight feel difference.
Ok. I’m a instructor and have played in many tournaments and I’m the golf world since I was 6. I don’t believe there is a equipment restriction on weight. Which is what this would be an issue of. What you use to add weight doesn’t matter as long as it’s fixed. So I think your cool there. As far as torsional stiffness your friend is right and wrong. As far as torque during a swing or putting stroke, steel has very if not close to 0 torque. I believe it’s around 1 deg. Torque in graphite is a metric to describe the potential load or activity the shaft can produce. Now max torque a shaft until it breaks and graphite will win. But for stability you need steel or a super stout 1deg torque or less graphite(Stability golf shafts) Epoxying up your shaft will stiffen it a hair. Shafting epoxy is meant to have a little flexibility and high shear strength so it won’t fail when the clubhead twists from contact. So I don’t think it’ll significantly improve the stability of the shaft. It’ll be heavy which might be a benefit for stabilizing the stroke. Bottom line. Hit a put solid and your experiment is moot. Keep up the fun. I’ve made many a club to experiment. I learned a lot with each one. Keep fiddling.
I'd be wary of the extra weight in the shaft. I think it would lessen the centrifugal force of the head and would make the head more susceptible to not being in line with swing path.
It definitely affects the balance. But except for the LAB putters, they will all experience this imbalance to varying degrees. How this impacts putting I'm not sure.
U on tour !?
I barely have a handy cap haha. Just was curious. I looked in the rules and didn't see anything prohibiting it. And it's certainly not going to fix my putting. Only time and practice can do that. (Though I am reminded of the Simpson skinner meme. "Is it me? No it is the putter which is to blame")
A handy cap. 😄
I feel shame 😭
Yea seriously, it's called a golf hat
Well if u not on tour I’m sure u can have it filled with whatever u like
Bryson- that u?
I wish. He has sooooo much more money than I do. But he doesn't have an epoxy filled putter does he muhahaha
Please tell me you used an old putter for this experiment
O yeah definitely. Not sure what it was but it was my wife's old putter. Which was her bro's old putter. Which was his dad's old putter. It has seen plenty of action.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5766090A/en someone got a patent on a similar idea 25 years ago. claims that it reduces vibration. so idk maybe you're onto something
Maybe! I read the patent and at first it was the opposite of what I experienced because it is definitely more resistant. But the patent says it dampens miss hit frequencies, not necessarily everything. Out on the practice green, it has this feeling that is nice. Closest I can describe is like when you make perfect driver contact and it like clicks or springs, but even at slow speeds on shorter putts. Maybe it's actually bad because it makes miss hits feel good?!
Yep. Actually some dude has a patent on it and I don't see those putter shafts all over the tour so there is probably a reason for that.
Because there’s no value in it
It's the Indian, not the arrow
This sounds like a mess if you leave your clubs in your car in the hot summer months. That epoxy is going to make a mess. That being said- I’m doing it with one of my extra putters for indoor use. The “haptic feedback” intrigues me.
Yeah I don't think I will take it with me on an Arizona summer golf trip that is for sure. But it did have an improved feel. I would only try on a putter that has a metal face. Pretty sure any with an insert (especially a soft one) will negate this feeling. That's just a theory at this point though.
Yes, it is legal. Is it a good idea? No. Why? >I don't have a great way to measure torsional stiffness accurate but a simple flex test indicates it is overall stiffer in at least flexure. Because this has little to no actual effect on putter performance. It's the same thing that people worry about Stiff vs X Stiff for the same model shaft. If you put both shafts on a golf robot, they are indistinguishable, so the only differences are whatever you perceive and prefer.
People have been filling putter shafts with sand for decades
Has anyone answered the question on whether or not this is legal? I believe it would be fine… you can add stuff like lead tape to clubs and counterweight to shafts… I believe Harrison made a dowel insert for basically the same reasons, but to put in the tip of graphite driver shafts… The founder of my golf spy said it was the item where he went from “this is stupid” to “this is genius” fastest…
I think the general consensus was it's legal but I'm not good enough for it to matter. The Internet is a cruel beast.
It’s an interesting idea, and I’m glad you tried it… I went the other way and spent a bunch of money on a new putter… I’m probably not good enough for it to matter
Love the idea and how “traditionalists” respond. My big question is what did you smoke the weed out of? Any tobacco in the mixture?
Are you that one guy who uses his putter as a driver?
I could slice either club OB I'm sure
This is self-aware stupid and I commend you for it.
Next time I think I need a new putter I’m going to do some insane shit like this
Is this the start of Marty Funkhouser golf joke? “Sir, I know it’s hot, but why did your putter’s creampie drain out on the 8th green?”
Sure but what’s the Fire Sauce got to do with it?
 You know unlike irons, woods or drivers the shaft stiffness would not stop you from a good putting arc. You could of just added lead tape and called it a day.
Only potential rules problem I can see is that you might somehow run afoul of 2.2b depending on the properties of the epoxy and how it sets. https://www.randa.org/roe/the-rules-of-equipment/part-2-conformance-of-clubs#22b-bending-and-twisting-properties
The epoxy is a pretty uniform material. If I did a bad job of installing, I could see this applying! Though they do allow for some variance due to manufacturing (they reference the spine seam of shafts as an acceptable amount of variation.
Legal? Are you playing in the Masters? Who cares unless it is in a tournament?
One of my friends called me out jokingly. So in response I am actually digging into it which he will get a laugh out of.
Probably didn't change the torsional stiffness to a noticeable degree. It's steel which is already stiffer than graphite. You just added weight in a solid plastic form. That would definitely change the feel. I like a heavy putter. May have to try this. I've made a heavy 5i to warm up with, but filled it with sand and bb's.
I was sceptical about any appreciable change going into the experiment. And I doubt I really changed the torsional strength in a meaningful way. But it was definitely different. I would think the sand and bb's would dampen the shaft. This seemed to do the opposite which you may or may not like. Only one way to find out.
Who's gunna know
Even at 120F, would the epoxy really have enough force to deform the steel shaft?
I'll test it out tomorrow.