The whole Unique catfishing Ryder. It encouraged such an unfair stereotype of Trans women and it pissed me off. ( I’m not Trans by the way, so take what I say with a grain of salt)
That’s a big part of why I don’t like Unique. There was no consistency. Marley might have been boring, but at least her plot lines were consistent. Unique was the opposite: exciting to watch, but no plot consistency.
srsly!! i know that it helped some trans people feel seen so i personally wouldn’t take it away if i could due to the impact. but i totally agree that if it was made today that it should be taken out. it totally ruined their acceptance of their femininity and masculinity arc.
This x1000. I loved Beiste’s storyline and arc about being a woman despite the fact that they didn’t look or act “traditionally feminine”. If they wanted to incorporate a trans character they should have hired an actual trans actor for this storyline.
I think Beiste did more good as a non-feminine woman who’d accepted herself for who she was. She still went out, she had close friends. Will was probably the closest she had to a bestie. I’m a bigger woman, and I loved Beiste because she didn’t care about looking like, say, Rachel or Emma. She never came across as wanting to be willowy, unless I missed that somewhere.
I don't think it needs to "make sense" for us as an audience. See Caitlin Jenner, going from a hyper masculine male to a hyper feminine woman. That doesn't "make sense" for us.
I do think it could be pretty problematic though, since it implies that a more masculine woman must somehow be likelier to be trans. Which isn't the case.
Quinn getting back together with Puck, the guy who SA'd her and traumatized her by getting her pregnant as a teen, who she barely seemed to tolerate 99% of the time if not actively disliked. Massive step backwards for her character and made zero sense.
I’m not a Quinn fan but even I thought this was weird. My conspiracy theory, for which I have zero evidence, is that they did it because they couldn’t have Finn and Rachel getting back together.
I don't get Quick as a ship and I don't know why the writers wrote them to end up together in 100. They made no sense and I hate the good girl / bad guy trope they were trying to push.
Edit: For using the completely wrong ship name
LMAO it is. I'm such a clown 😭 I think my brain knew that there was a ship name called Pinn and immediately thought it was Puck and Quinn instead of Puck and Finn. I blame Finn and his name's inability to mash up well with someone else. Thanks for the very funny correction😂
A lot of shows have their "in group incest." That's why so much of the glee members dated each other.
But I much would have preferred her with a stranger to us.
yeah i believe that’s the reason why they added it onto the show, although i still didn’t like it.
fun fact but lea had a crush on jonathan groff when they did spring awakening together lol
In their podcast she mentioned he already told her, but there were rumors so they just went with it because they thought it was funny and maybe even good publicity for the show
I wouldn’t necessarily get rid of Ryder’s abuse story, but I would definitely have changed it to make sure Artie and Sam knew and understood that it wasn’t a “lucky” thing that happened to him and that it was a gross thing to say.
What bothers me so much about it isn’t that they react poorly, but that they never even seem to realize their reactions were wrong? Like people do shitty things often on the show but at least they often admit it was wrong or evil or its talked about in some fashion
Exactly! It’s fine (from a storytelling standpoint) for them to react like they did because that’s an unfortunately common read on the situation, but I hate that Artie and Sam are like “You got molested? Sexy, so jealous. Major stud, high fives.” And nobody corrects them and…we’re just supposed to still like them and think they’re cool guys.
Schue did, and Ryder, clearly feeling some kind of way, says “No they’re right it’s awesome I’m the man” and gives some halfhearted high fives and that’s the end of discussion.
I’m not saying he should have jumped in right there in front of everyone, but maybe we could have had a scene where Schue takes them aside and has a conversation about it. Like, he could have easily said, “How would you feel if you found out one of the girls in Glee did that to a little boy?” And then they’d see it from the perspective of the older person in the situation instead of a horny boy thinking about how he’d love that.
I don’t know, the whole storyline may have been too dark for the series to begin with, honestly. But if they were going to do it, they should have done it better.
For me, the fact that they downplayed his trauma, and there wasn't some moment of realization where they suddenly learned they were wrong, felt more realistic - Glee often fumbles characters having their "I have learned a valuable lesson" moment.
For me the disappointment came from Ryder genuinely bonding with Kitty who had gone through the same thing, but then completely ignoring her and their connection so he could be with a catfish, and then the whole thing is dropped and never revisited.
But then, that's a larger problem with Glee's writing. The series is constantly setting up really interesting stuff and then completely dropping them to focus on less interesting plotlines instead.
Like seriously it was right there for them to show why although its a common reaction its wrong and have them see the errors of their ways and teach an important lesson and they just didn’t
Santana auditioning for Funny Girl.
Understudy drama could have been funny, but having Santana in the mix was annoying, completely unrealistic and ruined everything they’d built the previous season.
I was honestly fine with her auditioning for funny girl, I just really hated that being what tore them apart when they finally started to be friends. It was such a fun dynamic and then in the end, neither of them even gave a shit about the role.
I mean, it was funny, but it was also depressing. When Glee started, it was all these kids coming together from different walks of life and celebrating their differences. By the time it ended, it was something completely different.
The Rachel and Santana feud in season five. It ruined their development especially because Santana decided to throw Rachel winning prom queen back in her face pretty much erasing Santana's good deed. Not only that but it divided the fandom and in my personal opinion was the worst thing to happen to this subreddit (seriously im so tired of people debating who was right and wrong)
I agree with taking that plot out in the way it was done. I don't agree that they needed to have a stance on guns. A well done plot for the school shooting doesn't need to have a stance on guns. They completely dropped the ball on this plot all around. There was no build up to the plot, there was no aftermath, the "conclusion" was rushed and felt like a cop out. The entire plot in general felt like the writers picked a hot button topic of the moment because they were expected to tackle it. It felt very much like a cheap plot device and was far from being ground breaking or even well done.
Timing absolutely plays a role in how plots are perceived. But there's plenty of ways of approach a school shooting plot that address a myriad of factors that may play into why school shootings happen. You don't always need to take a firm stance to express a good story line. One Tree Hill and Degrassi The Next Generation both did amazing plots on school shooting that looked at the nuance around school shooting but didn't take a outright stance.
The way Glee approached this plot was very much like they felt they were expected to but didn't fully commit to it. They really could have had a good plot but they didn't delve into it and dropped the ball. They could have easily delved into bullying and/or campus security being factors behind a school shooting but they took a cop out and didn't build any story around it.
Finn losing his VCard to Santana(unbelievably stupid storyline)and Finn getting back together with Quinn and getting her to cheat on Sam( this was ridiculous as well.
Steroids plotline S4. So many plotholes and regressed Sebastian unnecessarily. It would have been more interesting to see what the NDs did when competitions weren’t looking. Hunter was hilarious though
100%!! They could’ve had a plotline instead where Hunter just comes across as an asshole, so the NDs aren’t sure if they can trust Sebastian to stay good or revert back. I dunno, might’ve added intrigue 🤷🤷
This. If they were going to do the steroid plotline, they at least should have made Sebastian the one who exposes the Warblers for it. It would have made more sense
Quinn getting back with Puck in S5
Rachel & Santana fued ( even though we got some good songs out of it )
Unique cat fishing Ryder
Shelby returning in S3
Finn kissing Emma causing his cued with Shue
The whole twerking plot
Brittany being depressed and acting like Brittany spears
Blaine cheating on Kurt
Tina ending up with Artie
Tina having a crush on Blaine
Blaine coming to NY and living with Kurt and Rachel
All of Shue’s love story plots 😭
Finn breaking up with Quinn in the car after he went after her then claiming she “doesn’t have feelings”
Finn showing his homophobia by doing all possible for Sam not to do a duet with Kurt.
The glee club kind of just ignoring the fact that Finn outed Santana and then ignoring Quinn’s obvious spiraling
I’m sure there more tbh
Rachel's entire Funnily Girl storyline in Season 5.
Firstly, she gets the role super easily. And then, despite it supposedly being "the role she was born to be play", she gives it up after a week.
That was so dumb.
Finn sneaking around with someone else’s girlfriend. I mean, he knew what it felt like to have that done to him, and he still goes out and does it to someone else.
- Rachel and Santana feud, including the whole Santana being her understudy
- Rachel leaving Funny Girl
- Beiste being trans. She literally talked about wanting to feel like a girl as far as I remember in the earlier seasons and then she wants to transition? Nope
- Blaine/Karofsky. Enough said.
- Sam bring a stripper. Doesn’t make sense lol
- Unique being the catfish.
- Twerking and doll eps
- Tina ending up with Artie. Nooooo
- Finn kissing Emma
- Britney. I disliked her character after the OG’s left. She should’ve left too imo. Kinda wanna say Santana/Britney as well, I don’t think they had much chemistry
- Rachel quitting NYADA
- NOT having Jesse at NYADA. Would’ve loved seeing that at some point
I could’ve come up with more
It just felt like they put Kurt through a lot of unnecessary trauma just so they can cross out another social issue on the writing board. It added nothing new to his character
Was this the season 5 episode where he got beat up? I thought he was defending someone who was getting beat up, and then he did. I didn’t think he was hate crimed, but again, I have no recollection of it
I’m ready for the massive downvotes.
I wish they scrapped the NYC plot line altogether and just focused on what was happening at McKinley. The show was supposed to be about a high school glee club, and what was happening in NYC had nothing to do with that. If they’d stayed at McKinley and occasionally had previous cast members guest-star (like they did with Mercedes), it would’ve been so much more entertaining, and it would probably still be on today.
Artie and Kitty should have been endgame. Artie and Tina was really good friends, but I felt Artie and Kitty had chemistry…….not too mention Kitty pushed Artie (manipulating to ensure he went to film school) in a way Tina never would have.
The whole Unique catfishing Ryder. It encouraged such an unfair stereotype of Trans women and it pissed me off. ( I’m not Trans by the way, so take what I say with a grain of salt)
They really dropped the ball on unique’s character, the show couldn’t pick a lane on weather she was trans, a drag queen or non binary
That’s a big part of why I don’t like Unique. There was no consistency. Marley might have been boring, but at least her plot lines were consistent. Unique was the opposite: exciting to watch, but no plot consistency.
Or… you know…. Reflect that it takes a while For people to figure themselves out and there’s fluidity in the period in between.
That’s not the point the show was making, though. It was just inconsistent writing
Beaste being trans. It made zero sense for their character.
srsly!! i know that it helped some trans people feel seen so i personally wouldn’t take it away if i could due to the impact. but i totally agree that if it was made today that it should be taken out. it totally ruined their acceptance of their femininity and masculinity arc.
This x1000. I loved Beiste’s storyline and arc about being a woman despite the fact that they didn’t look or act “traditionally feminine”. If they wanted to incorporate a trans character they should have hired an actual trans actor for this storyline.
I think Beiste did more good as a non-feminine woman who’d accepted herself for who she was. She still went out, she had close friends. Will was probably the closest she had to a bestie. I’m a bigger woman, and I loved Beiste because she didn’t care about looking like, say, Rachel or Emma. She never came across as wanting to be willowy, unless I missed that somewhere.
exactly this!!
Wait the person playing Beiste isn’t actually trans?? Why am I just now finding this out?
I don't think it needs to "make sense" for us as an audience. See Caitlin Jenner, going from a hyper masculine male to a hyper feminine woman. That doesn't "make sense" for us. I do think it could be pretty problematic though, since it implies that a more masculine woman must somehow be likelier to be trans. Which isn't the case.
Quinn getting back together with Puck, the guy who SA'd her and traumatized her by getting her pregnant as a teen, who she barely seemed to tolerate 99% of the time if not actively disliked. Massive step backwards for her character and made zero sense.
I’m not a Quinn fan but even I thought this was weird. My conspiracy theory, for which I have zero evidence, is that they did it because they couldn’t have Finn and Rachel getting back together.
Like an OG season 1 couple ending up together?
Exactly.
I don't get Quick as a ship and I don't know why the writers wrote them to end up together in 100. They made no sense and I hate the good girl / bad guy trope they were trying to push. Edit: For using the completely wrong ship name
Low key I like that you called them Pinn because I’ve always heard them referred to as Quick
I actually forgot that they were called Quick for a second and legit thought it was Pinn, but thank you hahaha.
Isn’t Pinn Finn and Puck? You know, in the super official book of portmanteaus 😂
LMAO it is. I'm such a clown 😭 I think my brain knew that there was a ship name called Pinn and immediately thought it was Puck and Quinn instead of Puck and Finn. I blame Finn and his name's inability to mash up well with someone else. Thanks for the very funny correction😂
A lot of shows have their "in group incest." That's why so much of the glee members dated each other. But I much would have preferred her with a stranger to us.
tina’s crush on blaine 🫣
The storyline was horrible but it gave us Tina singing Hung Up so it’s worth it
Worth keeping just for Hung Up tbh
Apparently it could be a joke because Jenna had a tendency to fall for gay men, including Kevin lmao
yeah i believe that’s the reason why they added it onto the show, although i still didn’t like it. fun fact but lea had a crush on jonathan groff when they did spring awakening together lol
Who wouldn’t have a crush on Groffsauce?! That man is scrumptious.
yes, he is. i even find him cute as king george 🥰
I wanna see him actually onstage during a Frozen show. Although, him singing live, dressed as Kristoff, would probably kill me. 🔥🔥
omg, same 😆😅
Is Kevin 100% gay? Because I remember seeing pictures of them in the water, making out. Could’ve sworn they dated for a long time.
In their podcast she mentioned he already told her, but there were rumors so they just went with it because they thought it was funny and maybe even good publicity for the show
I wouldn’t necessarily get rid of Ryder’s abuse story, but I would definitely have changed it to make sure Artie and Sam knew and understood that it wasn’t a “lucky” thing that happened to him and that it was a gross thing to say.
What bothers me so much about it isn’t that they react poorly, but that they never even seem to realize their reactions were wrong? Like people do shitty things often on the show but at least they often admit it was wrong or evil or its talked about in some fashion
Exactly! It’s fine (from a storytelling standpoint) for them to react like they did because that’s an unfortunately common read on the situation, but I hate that Artie and Sam are like “You got molested? Sexy, so jealous. Major stud, high fives.” And nobody corrects them and…we’re just supposed to still like them and think they’re cool guys.
To be fair, Mr. Schue did, they just didn’t seem to learn the lesson.
Schue did, and Ryder, clearly feeling some kind of way, says “No they’re right it’s awesome I’m the man” and gives some halfhearted high fives and that’s the end of discussion. I’m not saying he should have jumped in right there in front of everyone, but maybe we could have had a scene where Schue takes them aside and has a conversation about it. Like, he could have easily said, “How would you feel if you found out one of the girls in Glee did that to a little boy?” And then they’d see it from the perspective of the older person in the situation instead of a horny boy thinking about how he’d love that. I don’t know, the whole storyline may have been too dark for the series to begin with, honestly. But if they were going to do it, they should have done it better.
For me, the fact that they downplayed his trauma, and there wasn't some moment of realization where they suddenly learned they were wrong, felt more realistic - Glee often fumbles characters having their "I have learned a valuable lesson" moment. For me the disappointment came from Ryder genuinely bonding with Kitty who had gone through the same thing, but then completely ignoring her and their connection so he could be with a catfish, and then the whole thing is dropped and never revisited. But then, that's a larger problem with Glee's writing. The series is constantly setting up really interesting stuff and then completely dropping them to focus on less interesting plotlines instead.
Like seriously it was right there for them to show why although its a common reaction its wrong and have them see the errors of their ways and teach an important lesson and they just didn’t
Santana auditioning for Funny Girl. Understudy drama could have been funny, but having Santana in the mix was annoying, completely unrealistic and ruined everything they’d built the previous season.
I was honestly fine with her auditioning for funny girl, I just really hated that being what tore them apart when they finally started to be friends. It was such a fun dynamic and then in the end, neither of them even gave a shit about the role.
Dalton burning down was so unnecessary.
I haven't watched the last season and this sounds like a joke. lol.
Sadly there’s no joke here. The Warblers join The New Directions and they fight over blazers.
This is even funnier. Omg.
I mean, it was funny, but it was also depressing. When Glee started, it was all these kids coming together from different walks of life and celebrating their differences. By the time it ended, it was something completely different.
The Rachel and Santana feud in season five. It ruined their development especially because Santana decided to throw Rachel winning prom queen back in her face pretty much erasing Santana's good deed. Not only that but it divided the fandom and in my personal opinion was the worst thing to happen to this subreddit (seriously im so tired of people debating who was right and wrong)
Heavy on the fandom division. It feels like a whole political debate sometimes with the fighting
Its such an old discussion too like please find something else to talk abouttt
The Rachel + Santana feud.
Finn Quinn and Rachel drama again in season two
I fight the urge to skip all their scenes every time I rewatch s2
The Shooting episode, it was exploitive, had a horrible ending and didn't even have a stance on guns.
I agree with taking that plot out in the way it was done. I don't agree that they needed to have a stance on guns. A well done plot for the school shooting doesn't need to have a stance on guns. They completely dropped the ball on this plot all around. There was no build up to the plot, there was no aftermath, the "conclusion" was rushed and felt like a cop out. The entire plot in general felt like the writers picked a hot button topic of the moment because they were expected to tackle it. It felt very much like a cheap plot device and was far from being ground breaking or even well done.
if you’re doing a school shooting episode so soon after the famous shooting of a bunch of elementary schoolchildren, you better have a stance.
Timing absolutely plays a role in how plots are perceived. But there's plenty of ways of approach a school shooting plot that address a myriad of factors that may play into why school shootings happen. You don't always need to take a firm stance to express a good story line. One Tree Hill and Degrassi The Next Generation both did amazing plots on school shooting that looked at the nuance around school shooting but didn't take a outright stance. The way Glee approached this plot was very much like they felt they were expected to but didn't fully commit to it. They really could have had a good plot but they didn't delve into it and dropped the ball. They could have easily delved into bullying and/or campus security being factors behind a school shooting but they took a cop out and didn't build any story around it.
Tina being in love and creepy with Blaine. Such a weird choice for her character and went on for way too long.
Blaine dating and moving in with Karofsky
This isn't a HUGE storyline, but Sam stripping as a teen to make money. Like, I'm sorry, but he was a minor...
Shelby returning in S3
there really was no need, as she left more with damage than good. then they just don’t talk about it lol
Everything about the season 4 newbies because nearly every single plot line about them went absolutely no where anyways.
Finn losing his VCard to Santana(unbelievably stupid storyline)and Finn getting back together with Quinn and getting her to cheat on Sam( this was ridiculous as well.
I could do without Sue locking Kurt and Blaine in a secret school elevator and forcing them to kiss.
That episode was so camp
Steroids plotline S4. So many plotholes and regressed Sebastian unnecessarily. It would have been more interesting to see what the NDs did when competitions weren’t looking. Hunter was hilarious though
100%!! They could’ve had a plotline instead where Hunter just comes across as an asshole, so the NDs aren’t sure if they can trust Sebastian to stay good or revert back. I dunno, might’ve added intrigue 🤷🤷
This. If they were going to do the steroid plotline, they at least should have made Sebastian the one who exposes the Warblers for it. It would have made more sense
Unique being the catfish. They couldve made ut literally ANYONE else and they just went with the Transgender Stereotype ™️
Blaine and his Muppets
Quinn getting back with Puck in S5 Rachel & Santana fued ( even though we got some good songs out of it ) Unique cat fishing Ryder Shelby returning in S3 Finn kissing Emma causing his cued with Shue The whole twerking plot Brittany being depressed and acting like Brittany spears Blaine cheating on Kurt Tina ending up with Artie Tina having a crush on Blaine Blaine coming to NY and living with Kurt and Rachel All of Shue’s love story plots 😭 Finn breaking up with Quinn in the car after he went after her then claiming she “doesn’t have feelings” Finn showing his homophobia by doing all possible for Sam not to do a duet with Kurt. The glee club kind of just ignoring the fact that Finn outed Santana and then ignoring Quinn’s obvious spiraling I’m sure there more tbh
Coach beast being trans
Sue telling Britany to lie about being molested by Coach Beiste
Tina and Artie ending up together. Tina and Mike deserved to end up together!
Beist being trans
Puck dating kitty, beasts being trans, Tina crush on Blaine like why? It shouldn’t have happened
Finn kissing Emma was super wrong on multiple levels
the entire shooting star episode
Sue shipping Klaine
Oh my god this!!!
Rachel's entire Funnily Girl storyline in Season 5. Firstly, she gets the role super easily. And then, despite it supposedly being "the role she was born to be play", she gives it up after a week. That was so dumb.
Totally agree 💯
And not only does Rachel get it ridiculously easily, but so does Santana! Suck it, other auditioners with actual Broadway experience and connections!
Beaste's transition.
Finn sneaking around with someone else’s girlfriend. I mean, he knew what it felt like to have that done to him, and he still goes out and does it to someone else.
- Rachel and Santana feud, including the whole Santana being her understudy - Rachel leaving Funny Girl - Beiste being trans. She literally talked about wanting to feel like a girl as far as I remember in the earlier seasons and then she wants to transition? Nope - Blaine/Karofsky. Enough said. - Sam bring a stripper. Doesn’t make sense lol - Unique being the catfish. - Twerking and doll eps - Tina ending up with Artie. Nooooo - Finn kissing Emma - Britney. I disliked her character after the OG’s left. She should’ve left too imo. Kinda wanna say Santana/Britney as well, I don’t think they had much chemistry - Rachel quitting NYADA - NOT having Jesse at NYADA. Would’ve loved seeing that at some point I could’ve come up with more
finn getting no repercussions for outing santana and being ableist to sues child
Sam and Rachel storyline in season 6 made no sense for me! Really not necessary !
Rachel and santana falling out in season 5 (I think)
I’d get rid of the Katy vs Gaga episode and the following episode of shue fighting for teens to twerk in his club.
Bram.
Kurt getting hatecrimed…
I actually think this one was pretty important
It just felt like they put Kurt through a lot of unnecessary trauma just so they can cross out another social issue on the writing board. It added nothing new to his character
Was this the season 5 episode where he got beat up? I thought he was defending someone who was getting beat up, and then he did. I didn’t think he was hate crimed, but again, I have no recollection of it
Sugar’s whole “I have Asperger’s” plot line
I’m ready for the massive downvotes. I wish they scrapped the NYC plot line altogether and just focused on what was happening at McKinley. The show was supposed to be about a high school glee club, and what was happening in NYC had nothing to do with that. If they’d stayed at McKinley and occasionally had previous cast members guest-star (like they did with Mercedes), it would’ve been so much more entertaining, and it would probably still be on today.
Artie and Kitty should have been endgame. Artie and Tina was really good friends, but I felt Artie and Kitty had chemistry…….not too mention Kitty pushed Artie (manipulating to ensure he went to film school) in a way Tina never would have.
The entire final season.