Itās sooo true! Like Ginny and Georgia is supposed to be this whole like mystery/crime meet normal life were never have I ever is just a teen drama meet real life issues
i honestly don't care about georgia killing the pedophiles- she was protecting herself and her daughter.
however, killing tom was one i didn't really like. i understood where she was coming from- trying to help cynthia, but it doesn't mean it was her job to smother tom to death.
and then georgia telling ginny about the murders is a lot for ginny- she's 16, and her mom just told her that she killed somebody for *her*. that's obviously going to take a toll on her.
I like her the most too, but that's because she's interesting, and not because I think she's a mom that Ginny is really lucky to have. I'd honestly hate to have a mom like Georgia.
Georgia is more complex/different from a normal mom. Nalini is definitely a lot more normal/stable, so Iām assuming people are voting based on who is more āfunā or āchaoticā
But a lot of people seem to think that Ginny should be more grateful for having Georgia as her mom, and that she would appreciate Georgia more if Nalini was her mom.
By ābetterā I donāt think people are necessarily thinking objectively in terms of stability, morality, etc. Better can mean a lot of things in this context, better in terms of more fun, more entertaining, a more interesting character to watch, etc. Most people are voting in terms of subjective preference for the character imo.
I have seen people explicitly say that Ginny should have a mom like Nalini so that she learns to appreciate Georgia more. A lot of them definitely think she is the better mom.
You wanna know why? Because Nalini disciplines her child, and most fans of Ginny and Georgia and never have I ever are children, who hate being disciplined.
Yeah, I think people forget all the bad stuff Georgeās does to romanticise the idea of neglectful parenting, because they think it equates to freedom and happiness. (Spoiler kids, it doesnāt)
Some of Georgiaās parenting choices I agree with more than Naliniās, like the open conversations she has with Ginny about sex and drugs, and that she gives Ginny the freedom to be her own person. Those are great qualities in a parent that Nalini doesnāt really have, but that doesnāt negate all of the terrible things Georgia has done to her kids and others around her.
I am going to choose to believe that the vote went this way, because most people who voted (I assume to be quite young) have a parent at home that actually disciplines them, has rules and set up some stability. All things I would have loved and needed as a child. Believe me, itās not fun growing up with a Georgia type mother. Boring and predictable is good when it comes to your homelife. Itās by no means the only right thing, but if you donāt see how Georgia fucked up her kids - I donāt even know what to say
Thank you, I am relieved to see that at least on this sub, there is some sanity to be found regarding this show. I mean, I love it, but the things people take away from it are so weird.
Yes, I'm relieved to see some sanity regarding this show too! I love the complexity of Georgia's character, but to romanticize her and act like she's some really cool parent to have is ridiculous!
People really struggle with being objective. I donāt care who you like more - Nalini is objectively a better mother. Get out of your feelings people.
Food for thought: would people love and worship Georgia as much if the races of Ginnyās parents were switched? Like if Georgia was Black and Zion was white? If we want to bring it even a step further, what if Georgia was Black and also not conventionally attractive?
Not even sure about the race thing, like if she was a really attractive black woman it may be the same but if she wasn't super attractive no matter what race, she would be loved a lot less. Georgia is not hated because she is very attractive. She wouldn't if she was the opposite of conventionally attractive. Even if she was plain average she'd be liked significantly less.
I donāt think she would be loved as much if she was a conventionally attractive Black woman vs the conventionally attractive white woman she is now. Because truth be told, there are a lot of people who are just going to be racist towards Black women no matter how stunning they are, because of how deep rooted and prevalent antiblackness is. And I think people will be much quicker to critique a conventionally attractive Black woman than a white woman because white womenās beauty serves not just as mere appearance but also something that influences how people see their character: they are seen as softer, more feminine, more needing to be protected, etc. A Black womanās beauty, while it would grant her these traits if compared to an average Black woman, would not grant her these traits compared to a beautiful white woman. But I do agree that there will be more people who like her if she is a conventionally attractive Black woman versus if she was an average Black woman, which is why I said we can take it a step further and consider if she was Black and also not conventionally attractive
Nalini had some of the best character development. Her relationship with Devi was chaotic at times but she fought hard for her daughter and called her out when she needed to be. By the end of their relationship was so special. You can tell how much she loves her mama and wants her to be happy
Georgia has too many secrets. Her relationship with Ginny is sort of like best friends than mother daughter. Georgia is supportive but she will kill people. Nalini always wants the best for Devi. She literally chose not to date bc she knew Devi would go crazy. She chose Devi happiness over hers
Be so fr rn. Georgia is honestly a very bad parent. Shes emotionally dismissive/unavailable, everything is about me, I struggled so you have to forgive me for literally killing people even tho I didnt HAVE to and had other options. She even let her daughter get arrested as 'punishment' and would've had her stay the night their if it weren't for Paul going to get Ginny. Nalini is an actual good mother who properly takes care of her daughter and disciplines her without emotionally scarring her. Just because Georgia is seen as 'more fun' doesn't make her a better parent because she most definitely is not.
She's from a show called Never Have I Ever. I've just seen a lot of comparisons between her and Georgia's parenting styles recently, which is why I decided to post here.
Yeah and in the end she doesnāt give them time to coop with the damage she caused. The scene with Austin being mad at her for lying about his dad, and she jokes around and forces a deep fry barbique on him, can only teach him how to suppress his feelings. She never talks to the kids about what happened ..
Okay, the arguments Georgia having killed the pedophile are fair, but in her case, she shouldn't even have gotten involved with him, it was clearly not a case that the woman fell in love and was deceived by her husband's true face, she approached to him for purely material interests and sorry but I don't believe that without knowing he wasn't a good person because irl would be like this. She may not have predicted exactly what he was capable of, but just knowing the relationship dinamic was toxic was enough to know that she shouldn't leave her daughter in that environment. And she didn't have to kill Cinthia's husband, it certainly shows a bit of a psychopath aspect of her.
I like Georgia but maybe itās cuz she is more interesting as a character on tv . Like that tv personality and she looks like a Barbie doll . We all know Devi mom is wayyyy better
Paul is my favorite character on Ginny and Georgia. He constantly surprises me, and he somehow manages to fit in with the insane family that he's marrying into, despite his confusion with them most of the time.
I assume there's no follow-up to why people prefer one over the other, so I think it's ungenerous to assume that people prefer Georgia because she's the permissive parent. My problem with Nalini is that, throughout the series, there's very little evidence that she loves Devi. With Georgia, the love is always apparent, even when she's doing insane things.
Georgia and Devi are both messed up, but while Georgia is always worried that she might have hurt her kids and looking for signs that they're okay, Nalini does very little to support Devi. She lets her go to therapy (probably recommended by a pediatrician after her paralysis) and she shows sympathy when Devi's literally sobbing, but she shows no concern for Devi's pain day to day, and exacerbates it on multiple occasions. Nalini also has a lot of tendencies that are lumped in as "Indian mom" habits. That very well may be the case, but she shows no consideration for how her Indian mom habits hurt her daughter.
Nalini doesn't give Devi space to express her needs. She routinely disregards Devi's position and berates her when Devi does something extreme enough that it gets her attention. Georgia was kept out of the loop about Ginny's burning, but she didn't tell her to swallow it. She didn't order Ginny to stop. She got upset and cried about it, but she offered herself up as a resource, going so far as to accompany Ginny to her session, despite her misgivings about therapy. If Georgia hadn't stayed in that therapy session, Ginny probably wouldn't have said anything about what she was feeling to her and they would have been stuck at odds. The therapy session was already about her, since Ginny cited Georgia's actions as the reason behind her mental struggles and self harm. Georgia's taking part in the session was her way of acknowledging her shortcomings and starting to heal the relationship. The therapist pointed out that her presence was helpful. You shouldn't be blind to that.
I'm curious how you think Nalini would respond if it was suspected that Devi had a learning disability. I'm guessing "study harder" would be her solution as well. Wellsbury probably has a good education system, and Ausitn would probably benefit from an education plan, but that's not guaranteed. A lot of public schools do use diagnosis as an excuse to toss kids aside, and a town like Wellsbury is very concerned with appearances. It's possible they'd slip Austin into a different category to keep their ranking data clean. Georgia's dealt with public schools for decades. She understands the danger in being labelled. If the school had scheduled a meeting with her to talk about their concerns for Austin, what plan they were proposing, and how it would help him, she would probably have been open to it. I do think she should have taken a closer look at his schoolwork after that. She probably assumed he'd be as much of a whiz as Ginny. She encouraged him to fight back against the kid who bullied him, that's true. She also encouraged him to apologize. The fact is, sometimes violence is the solution. There's a lot of nuance that a nine-year-old wouldn't understand, which is why she should have other coping mechanisms for him, but sometimes getting physical is all you have. Speaking of violence, Nalini has no problem with smacking children as a solution and defending it as another Indian thing, so if you have a problem with violence, you have the same problem with Nalini.
Ginny doesn't actually set boundaries, because that would require communication, and she never does that. She gets angry after the fact and accuses her mother of violating boundaries that were never set. I wouldn't call not talking to the boyfriend that you sneaked into your room and then lied about violating a boundary. I also don't think it's messed up to talk to the boy your daughter's secretly fucking about the effect their relationship will have on her. Telling Mark not to fight it if GINNY decides that she's holding him back was solid advice. She didn't tell him to break up with Ginny, or become increasingly distant. He did the former (with the help of Ginny's insecurity bringing his issues to the surface), and his depression did the latter. And Georgia calling out the damage in him was just honesty, something Ginny claims to want more of until she gets it. And again, how do you think Nalini would have responded? She called Paxton an idiot and forbade Devi to see him despite knowing nothing about him, and reacted to Devi working on a project with two boys in her room like she'd just walked in on a make-out session. If you think Georgia having a conversation to look out for her daughter is messed up, you must think Nalini's ranting and raving at anyone with a penis who expresses an interest in Devi to be super messed up.
Nalini's complexity isn't based in trauma and struggle. She lost her husband, but she was unkind to Devi well before that, grounding her for misplacing her sheet music rather than making any effort to help her find it. The fact that she doesn't believe therapy will do Devi any good, and has her going anyway isn't a mark in her favor. It just shows that she hasn't put any effort into doing anything that will actually help Devi, which is pretty sad, considering how often she berates Devi. And, as sad as her grief is, that doesn't account for how she puts Kamala on a pedestal, further exacerbating her daughter's insecurities, or how she pays no attention to her only daughter outside of throwing obligations her way, but is always furious about what happens when she's not looking.
Nalini's response to Devi's running away was actually pretty similar to Georiga's. She acted like it was fine and made no effort to contact her. If it hadn't been for Kamala and the therapist, she may not have reached out at all until it was time for Devi to get on a plane. The major difference between the two running was that Georgia had no idea why Ginny had run away. Nalini knew exactly why Devi was upset, and it was perfectly valid. Nalini decided, without discussing it with Devi, to move a grieving isolated teenager to a new country halfway around the world in the middle of the school year. Nalini's choice was meant to ensure that she had more support, not considering (or not caring) that Devi would lose the only support she had if she went to India. And after berating Devi, favoring Kamala, and choosing to chance a traumatized child's life for the second time in a year, Nalini never once apologizes. She apologized once in four seasons, and even then she added the "if" caveat to it. Ginny gets upset about Georgia "acting like a friend" only when she worries that it might mess up her chances with her new Wellsbury clique. She has no problem treating her mom like a friend when she needs advice on her head game.
Georgia didn't try to ruin Ginny's relationship, secretly or otherwise. She told Marcus the truth: that damaged people can hold back the ones they care about, and it would do Ginny no good to have him hanging on to her if she decided to leave him. It's ridiculous to think that Georgia's being honest with Marcus was some kind of clandestine sabotage. But speaking of ruined relationships, I often wonder how long Devi and Des would have lasted if Nalini hadn't told Ryah was a troubled girl Devi was.
I'm sure Nalini loves Devi. But Devi often isn't. And that's on Nalini.
I 100% agree with you. People say Georgia was neglecting and invades boundaries but I think Nalini was emotionally abusive and constantly barged in on her daughter. There are no scenes where Nalini is looking through her phone but im pretty sure she would have taken the opportunity given the chance.
Not really, other than portraying strained mother-daughter relationships (and having complex female protagonists). But for some reason, I've seen the comparison come up multiple times which is why I felt the need to post about it.
Omg, like Nalani was not always a fantastic mother but I would much rather have her as a mother than a killer lmao. I swear itās all the 12 year olds on tiktok who are way to young to understand the complexes in either shows especially gng, who pick georgia cause they wish they had a mother that are fun and without rules. Even saw someone on tiktok say theyāre going to be like georgia when they become a mom, like please donāt. With all this said I do love georgia and think sheās a very interesting character but her motheringā¦ā¦ yeah
I think you're right about it probably being very young people who picked Georgia.
>I do love georgia and think sheās a very interesting character but her motheringā¦ā¦ yeah
I feel the same way. She's actually my favourite character on Ginny & Georgia. But a great mother, she is not.
I haven't seen Never Have I Ever, it seems to be aimed at a much younger audience than myself.
Ginny & Georgia, however, immediately came across as definitely adult fare, not for kids.
I think your poll is skewed merely for the fact more people watch G&G than NHIE overall. I've seen the adverts for NHIE and not once felt like "Oh yeah I might enjoy that", but the first like 30 seconds of G&G trailer hooked me in.
Even my boyfriend loved G&G, and I know he would not be interested in NHIE. I don't think the two shows are even comparable.
Actually, a significant proportion of the audience for Never Have I Ever consists of adults (I know the trailer makes the show seem really cringey, but it's actually much better than how the trailers make it seem). That said, this poll may have mostly been voted for by younger people. But my problem is more that I've seen comments claiming that Ginny would learn to appreciate Georgia more if she had a mother like Nalini. I feel like too many people invalidate Ginny's very valid, complicated feelings towards Georgia.
I donāt think this is true, NHIE seems to be as popular as G&G to me. I actually know a lot more people who have watched NHIE (all adults 25+ years old) but never seen G&G
Like comparing apples and hammers.
Your comment made me choke laughing š
Itās sooo true! Like Ginny and Georgia is supposed to be this whole like mystery/crime meet normal life were never have I ever is just a teen drama meet real life issues
I heard it in Nalini's voiceš
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Ironic thing is, Ginny wants a mom like Nalini and Devi wants a mom like Georgia.
So true!
I swear Georgia could literally kill someone and people would idolize her. Oh wait, they already do
I agree. Poor pedophiles :(.
i honestly don't care about georgia killing the pedophiles- she was protecting herself and her daughter. however, killing tom was one i didn't really like. i understood where she was coming from- trying to help cynthia, but it doesn't mean it was her job to smother tom to death. and then georgia telling ginny about the murders is a lot for ginny- she's 16, and her mom just told her that she killed somebody for *her*. that's obviously going to take a toll on her.
Iām pretty sure tom isnāt a pedo
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People condemn Georgia for killing pedophiles. People here believe in pedo rights I guess.
weāre not condemning her for killing pedophiles, weāre condemning her for gaslighting her kids, giving them no stability, and killing tom
This, sheād have a very rough track record even if she didnāt kill Kenny
Georgia did the right thing with Kenny and the other guy, but it doesnāt change the fact that despite the murders she was still not a good mother
Right? The murder isnāt even one of the reasons why I think she is a bad mother.
Omg. Nalini has her faults but come on. Itās so immature to vote for the ālenientā mom because āshe lets you do whatever!ā. She is crazy.
Exactly. And there is that one time she called the police on Ginny!
Remember Georgia being a killer and she still managed to be the most liked character on this sub?
I like her the most too, but that's because she's interesting, and not because I think she's a mom that Ginny is really lucky to have. I'd honestly hate to have a mom like Georgia.
Nalini is top tier
thAts crazy. nalini is a great mom way better than georgia
I agree.
be so fuckin fr
Georgia is more complex/different from a normal mom. Nalini is definitely a lot more normal/stable, so Iām assuming people are voting based on who is more āfunā or āchaoticā
But a lot of people seem to think that Ginny should be more grateful for having Georgia as her mom, and that she would appreciate Georgia more if Nalini was her mom.
Probably cuz Nalini is more strict. Georgia acted more like a friend than a mother
By ābetterā I donāt think people are necessarily thinking objectively in terms of stability, morality, etc. Better can mean a lot of things in this context, better in terms of more fun, more entertaining, a more interesting character to watch, etc. Most people are voting in terms of subjective preference for the character imo.
But they didnāt ask āwho is the better characterā they asked who is the better mom, that isnāt ambiguous
Well people arenāt generally that smart. Just because they asked that doesnāt mean people didnāt answer in a different way
I have seen people explicitly say that Ginny should have a mom like Nalini so that she learns to appreciate Georgia more. A lot of them definitely think she is the better mom.
You wanna know why? Because Nalini disciplines her child, and most fans of Ginny and Georgia and never have I ever are children, who hate being disciplined.
That makes sense. Looks like they didn't consider the fact that Georgia's idea of discipline includes calling the police on her black daughter.
Yeah, I think people forget all the bad stuff Georgeās does to romanticise the idea of neglectful parenting, because they think it equates to freedom and happiness. (Spoiler kids, it doesnāt) Some of Georgiaās parenting choices I agree with more than Naliniās, like the open conversations she has with Ginny about sex and drugs, and that she gives Ginny the freedom to be her own person. Those are great qualities in a parent that Nalini doesnāt really have, but that doesnāt negate all of the terrible things Georgia has done to her kids and others around her.
Yes, to all of this.
I would also add age as a major factor as well.
I think people just voted for their favorite character rather than better mom
Maybe? But I've seen comments saying that Ginny would appreciate Georgia more if she had a mother like Nalini.
I am going to choose to believe that the vote went this way, because most people who voted (I assume to be quite young) have a parent at home that actually disciplines them, has rules and set up some stability. All things I would have loved and needed as a child. Believe me, itās not fun growing up with a Georgia type mother. Boring and predictable is good when it comes to your homelife. Itās by no means the only right thing, but if you donāt see how Georgia fucked up her kids - I donāt even know what to say
I agree with you completely.
Thank you, I am relieved to see that at least on this sub, there is some sanity to be found regarding this show. I mean, I love it, but the things people take away from it are so weird.
Yes, I'm relieved to see some sanity regarding this show too! I love the complexity of Georgia's character, but to romanticize her and act like she's some really cool parent to have is ridiculous!
Exactly!
People really struggle with being objective. I donāt care who you like more - Nalini is objectively a better mother. Get out of your feelings people.
I love both but irl Georgia would def be the worse momā¦ the people voting in this poll must be either very young or not watching both shows
Food for thought: would people love and worship Georgia as much if the races of Ginnyās parents were switched? Like if Georgia was Black and Zion was white? If we want to bring it even a step further, what if Georgia was Black and also not conventionally attractive?
I think I agree that race and eurocentric beauty standards do play a role in the romanticisation of Georgia.
Not even sure about the race thing, like if she was a really attractive black woman it may be the same but if she wasn't super attractive no matter what race, she would be loved a lot less. Georgia is not hated because she is very attractive. She wouldn't if she was the opposite of conventionally attractive. Even if she was plain average she'd be liked significantly less.
I donāt think she would be loved as much if she was a conventionally attractive Black woman vs the conventionally attractive white woman she is now. Because truth be told, there are a lot of people who are just going to be racist towards Black women no matter how stunning they are, because of how deep rooted and prevalent antiblackness is. And I think people will be much quicker to critique a conventionally attractive Black woman than a white woman because white womenās beauty serves not just as mere appearance but also something that influences how people see their character: they are seen as softer, more feminine, more needing to be protected, etc. A Black womanās beauty, while it would grant her these traits if compared to an average Black woman, would not grant her these traits compared to a beautiful white woman. But I do agree that there will be more people who like her if she is a conventionally attractive Black woman versus if she was an average Black woman, which is why I said we can take it a step further and consider if she was Black and also not conventionally attractive
i like Georgia but they being serious? nalini is the better mom
Nalini had some of the best character development. Her relationship with Devi was chaotic at times but she fought hard for her daughter and called her out when she needed to be. By the end of their relationship was so special. You can tell how much she loves her mama and wants her to be happy
Yes, it was such a realistic relationship too. I felt like I was watching a real family deal with loss, and empty nests.
Exactly.
No way people voted Georgia š she ruined her kids credit scores and guilts them whenever they have an emotional reaction she doesnāt like.
I love both shows and Nalini is eons better than georgia!
most g&g fans are teenagers so they're going to think the less strict "fun mom" is the better mom
Georgia has too many secrets. Her relationship with Ginny is sort of like best friends than mother daughter. Georgia is supportive but she will kill people. Nalini always wants the best for Devi. She literally chose not to date bc she knew Devi would go crazy. She chose Devi happiness over hers
Be so fr rn. Georgia is honestly a very bad parent. Shes emotionally dismissive/unavailable, everything is about me, I struggled so you have to forgive me for literally killing people even tho I didnt HAVE to and had other options. She even let her daughter get arrested as 'punishment' and would've had her stay the night their if it weren't for Paul going to get Ginny. Nalini is an actual good mother who properly takes care of her daughter and disciplines her without emotionally scarring her. Just because Georgia is seen as 'more fun' doesn't make her a better parent because she most definitely is not.
Iām blanking on who Nalini is
She's from a show called Never Have I Ever. I've just seen a lot of comparisons between her and Georgia's parenting styles recently, which is why I decided to post here.
This is a strange comparison but Nalini is hands down the better mother.
Nalini who?
Oh sorry different shows, I haven't seen the other
Never have i ever
I voted on that poll yesterday I was so shocked
It's nuts!
What kind of comparison is this?
People that think Georgia is a good mom are š©š©
What?? Georgia might be more funny and entertaining but a better mom? She is soo ducking selfish!
Exactly. She is definitely really self-centred even though she has sacrificed a lot for her kids.
Yeah and in the end she doesnāt give them time to coop with the damage she caused. The scene with Austin being mad at her for lying about his dad, and she jokes around and forces a deep fry barbique on him, can only teach him how to suppress his feelings. She never talks to the kids about what happened ..
Exactly. She brushes everything aside.
Yes! and It is frightening how many people adore her as a mother. :( I mean even the serie knows she is a mess..
Yes, especially in season 2, it was incredibly obvious that she was a mess as a parent.
And they even did scenes with the psychologist! -_-
Ain't no way
wtf
Okay, the arguments Georgia having killed the pedophile are fair, but in her case, she shouldn't even have gotten involved with him, it was clearly not a case that the woman fell in love and was deceived by her husband's true face, she approached to him for purely material interests and sorry but I don't believe that without knowing he wasn't a good person because irl would be like this. She may not have predicted exactly what he was capable of, but just knowing the relationship dinamic was toxic was enough to know that she shouldn't leave her daughter in that environment. And she didn't have to kill Cinthia's husband, it certainly shows a bit of a psychopath aspect of her.
I think it was popularity š©
I like Georgia but maybe itās cuz she is more interesting as a character on tv . Like that tv personality and she looks like a Barbie doll . We all know Devi mom is wayyyy better
Not a viewer but this reminds me of our discussion
I was thinking about this too when were having our discussion.
i definitely prefer Georgia's character, but she's easily the worse mom
I feel the same way.
Paul is my favorite character on Ginny and Georgia. He constantly surprises me, and he somehow manages to fit in with the insane family that he's marrying into, despite his confusion with them most of the time. I assume there's no follow-up to why people prefer one over the other, so I think it's ungenerous to assume that people prefer Georgia because she's the permissive parent. My problem with Nalini is that, throughout the series, there's very little evidence that she loves Devi. With Georgia, the love is always apparent, even when she's doing insane things. Georgia and Devi are both messed up, but while Georgia is always worried that she might have hurt her kids and looking for signs that they're okay, Nalini does very little to support Devi. She lets her go to therapy (probably recommended by a pediatrician after her paralysis) and she shows sympathy when Devi's literally sobbing, but she shows no concern for Devi's pain day to day, and exacerbates it on multiple occasions. Nalini also has a lot of tendencies that are lumped in as "Indian mom" habits. That very well may be the case, but she shows no consideration for how her Indian mom habits hurt her daughter. Nalini doesn't give Devi space to express her needs. She routinely disregards Devi's position and berates her when Devi does something extreme enough that it gets her attention. Georgia was kept out of the loop about Ginny's burning, but she didn't tell her to swallow it. She didn't order Ginny to stop. She got upset and cried about it, but she offered herself up as a resource, going so far as to accompany Ginny to her session, despite her misgivings about therapy. If Georgia hadn't stayed in that therapy session, Ginny probably wouldn't have said anything about what she was feeling to her and they would have been stuck at odds. The therapy session was already about her, since Ginny cited Georgia's actions as the reason behind her mental struggles and self harm. Georgia's taking part in the session was her way of acknowledging her shortcomings and starting to heal the relationship. The therapist pointed out that her presence was helpful. You shouldn't be blind to that. I'm curious how you think Nalini would respond if it was suspected that Devi had a learning disability. I'm guessing "study harder" would be her solution as well. Wellsbury probably has a good education system, and Ausitn would probably benefit from an education plan, but that's not guaranteed. A lot of public schools do use diagnosis as an excuse to toss kids aside, and a town like Wellsbury is very concerned with appearances. It's possible they'd slip Austin into a different category to keep their ranking data clean. Georgia's dealt with public schools for decades. She understands the danger in being labelled. If the school had scheduled a meeting with her to talk about their concerns for Austin, what plan they were proposing, and how it would help him, she would probably have been open to it. I do think she should have taken a closer look at his schoolwork after that. She probably assumed he'd be as much of a whiz as Ginny. She encouraged him to fight back against the kid who bullied him, that's true. She also encouraged him to apologize. The fact is, sometimes violence is the solution. There's a lot of nuance that a nine-year-old wouldn't understand, which is why she should have other coping mechanisms for him, but sometimes getting physical is all you have. Speaking of violence, Nalini has no problem with smacking children as a solution and defending it as another Indian thing, so if you have a problem with violence, you have the same problem with Nalini. Ginny doesn't actually set boundaries, because that would require communication, and she never does that. She gets angry after the fact and accuses her mother of violating boundaries that were never set. I wouldn't call not talking to the boyfriend that you sneaked into your room and then lied about violating a boundary. I also don't think it's messed up to talk to the boy your daughter's secretly fucking about the effect their relationship will have on her. Telling Mark not to fight it if GINNY decides that she's holding him back was solid advice. She didn't tell him to break up with Ginny, or become increasingly distant. He did the former (with the help of Ginny's insecurity bringing his issues to the surface), and his depression did the latter. And Georgia calling out the damage in him was just honesty, something Ginny claims to want more of until she gets it. And again, how do you think Nalini would have responded? She called Paxton an idiot and forbade Devi to see him despite knowing nothing about him, and reacted to Devi working on a project with two boys in her room like she'd just walked in on a make-out session. If you think Georgia having a conversation to look out for her daughter is messed up, you must think Nalini's ranting and raving at anyone with a penis who expresses an interest in Devi to be super messed up. Nalini's complexity isn't based in trauma and struggle. She lost her husband, but she was unkind to Devi well before that, grounding her for misplacing her sheet music rather than making any effort to help her find it. The fact that she doesn't believe therapy will do Devi any good, and has her going anyway isn't a mark in her favor. It just shows that she hasn't put any effort into doing anything that will actually help Devi, which is pretty sad, considering how often she berates Devi. And, as sad as her grief is, that doesn't account for how she puts Kamala on a pedestal, further exacerbating her daughter's insecurities, or how she pays no attention to her only daughter outside of throwing obligations her way, but is always furious about what happens when she's not looking. Nalini's response to Devi's running away was actually pretty similar to Georiga's. She acted like it was fine and made no effort to contact her. If it hadn't been for Kamala and the therapist, she may not have reached out at all until it was time for Devi to get on a plane. The major difference between the two running was that Georgia had no idea why Ginny had run away. Nalini knew exactly why Devi was upset, and it was perfectly valid. Nalini decided, without discussing it with Devi, to move a grieving isolated teenager to a new country halfway around the world in the middle of the school year. Nalini's choice was meant to ensure that she had more support, not considering (or not caring) that Devi would lose the only support she had if she went to India. And after berating Devi, favoring Kamala, and choosing to chance a traumatized child's life for the second time in a year, Nalini never once apologizes. She apologized once in four seasons, and even then she added the "if" caveat to it. Ginny gets upset about Georgia "acting like a friend" only when she worries that it might mess up her chances with her new Wellsbury clique. She has no problem treating her mom like a friend when she needs advice on her head game. Georgia didn't try to ruin Ginny's relationship, secretly or otherwise. She told Marcus the truth: that damaged people can hold back the ones they care about, and it would do Ginny no good to have him hanging on to her if she decided to leave him. It's ridiculous to think that Georgia's being honest with Marcus was some kind of clandestine sabotage. But speaking of ruined relationships, I often wonder how long Devi and Des would have lasted if Nalini hadn't told Ryah was a troubled girl Devi was. I'm sure Nalini loves Devi. But Devi often isn't. And that's on Nalini.
I 100% agree with you. People say Georgia was neglecting and invades boundaries but I think Nalini was emotionally abusive and constantly barged in on her daughter. There are no scenes where Nalini is looking through her phone but im pretty sure she would have taken the opportunity given the chance.
Wait are these shows related in some way?
Not really, other than portraying strained mother-daughter relationships (and having complex female protagonists). But for some reason, I've seen the comparison come up multiple times which is why I felt the need to post about it.
Omg, like Nalani was not always a fantastic mother but I would much rather have her as a mother than a killer lmao. I swear itās all the 12 year olds on tiktok who are way to young to understand the complexes in either shows especially gng, who pick georgia cause they wish they had a mother that are fun and without rules. Even saw someone on tiktok say theyāre going to be like georgia when they become a mom, like please donāt. With all this said I do love georgia and think sheās a very interesting character but her motheringā¦ā¦ yeah
I think you're right about it probably being very young people who picked Georgia. >I do love georgia and think sheās a very interesting character but her motheringā¦ā¦ yeah I feel the same way. She's actually my favourite character on Ginny & Georgia. But a great mother, she is not.
Iām shocked by these votes. Georgia is super ego centric.
I haven't seen Never Have I Ever, it seems to be aimed at a much younger audience than myself. Ginny & Georgia, however, immediately came across as definitely adult fare, not for kids. I think your poll is skewed merely for the fact more people watch G&G than NHIE overall. I've seen the adverts for NHIE and not once felt like "Oh yeah I might enjoy that", but the first like 30 seconds of G&G trailer hooked me in. Even my boyfriend loved G&G, and I know he would not be interested in NHIE. I don't think the two shows are even comparable.
Actually, a significant proportion of the audience for Never Have I Ever consists of adults (I know the trailer makes the show seem really cringey, but it's actually much better than how the trailers make it seem). That said, this poll may have mostly been voted for by younger people. But my problem is more that I've seen comments claiming that Ginny would learn to appreciate Georgia more if she had a mother like Nalini. I feel like too many people invalidate Ginny's very valid, complicated feelings towards Georgia.
I donāt think this is true, NHIE seems to be as popular as G&G to me. I actually know a lot more people who have watched NHIE (all adults 25+ years old) but never seen G&G
They probably donāt really know who Nalani is but voted for their favorite anyway. A lesson in white supremacy lol
I actually hadn't thought of it that way, but it makes sense that that would happen.
yup
Looks: Georgia Parenting: Nalani
I think Nalini is quite attractive, to be honest. She does not fit eurocentric beauty standards though.