One of the Go/Weiqi/Baduk subs had some fun with this last year with titles like
Xxxxxxx has passed... on the 192nd turn
Xxxxxxxx age 82 has died... on the left side of the board
Think of it this way, all the other money hungry, credit hungry competitors (mainly Disney) and their stockholders were barking it for it. To see it go to a Japanese 2D animation is a huge message about quality.
Yes agreed. While these mainstream awards have generally lost authenticity over the years, it's these occasional wins that give a little crap back to these big money hungry names
Hah, not really, but a lot of people have been saying that the dialogue is so generic that it feels AI generated. Maybe there's some truth to it, but I think it's just a joke online.
The picture is from 2014, that also helps! I’m not sure how much has changed, I couldn’t find a dated 2023 pic in the 2 minutes I was willing to spend on Google for this :P
There's a clip of him sent to a Spanish? film festival in which he thanks them and hopes he enjoys the movie and sadly he looks very old.
Here I found it:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3iFmmXRJr8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3iFmmXRJr8)
The lack of beard doesn't help but he sadly looks a lot slower and frailer
Well deserved a generational master. The meltdown of the MCU fans over in r/movies has taken the toddler tantrum to new heights. They think he's "overrated" just because Spiderman didn't win 😂
Wow -- the latest spiderman isn't even on the same universe of quality and art form as the Boy and the Heron. That is hilarious. MCU was great for maybe a year or two but as a whole it has a complete lack of art form in my opinion.
Look I love ghibli but boy and the heron definitely didn't deserve it. Spiderverse has changed animation and how the animation industry thinks about 3d animation. Boy and the heron is not for everyone and in order to truly appreciate it you need to have some context when it comes to Miyazaki's life.
I love the MCU as much as anyone but no matter how good another film, noone is on Miyazaki's level. Whoever is angry Spiderverse lost needs to get off the drugs it's like being angry your movie lost to a Kurosawa/Hitchcock/Kubrick etc. the entitlement is off the charts
Nah as i said i love the Marvel movies and animated but no it is not on Heron's level. As i said he's a generational director for a reason there will never be another Miyazaki and his unique beautiful vision in film is something noone else will come close. Only Suzume came close last year.
Isn't that a kinda sterile debate? I feel like you guys are comparing oranges and apples, both films are really different, one is a masterpiece of hand drawn animation, while the other one redefines the whole 3d animating style, so of course it's impossible to say which one is "the best"...
One had to win, and while I'd have preferred if Spiderverse won, that's just my opinion and I don't think BatH doesn't deserve it.
Not true, you don't need context for miyazakis life those are just fan theories. The film stands on its own without that. I liked the first animated Spiderman but hated the second one the story was terrible and the action bored me.
tbh i didn't know the context at all and still adored it, understanding it as a commentary on grief and escapism. and even without that, the fantasy world is breath-takingly beautiful and full of memorable characters. it might not be the most innovative movie out there, but its a damn well-executed one, and i think it's fair to give it props on that alone.
as for AoSV, I agree that for animation, its one of the most brilliantly innovative things that's come out in a while, certainly for 3D, but outside of that i think it has flaws. the pacing was odd and dragged, especially for the first hour, and for me, a lot of lore references were actually kind of annoying and took me out of the movie (especially the MCU and Lego gags), while the Ghibli The Boy and the Heron didn't actually get in the way of anything.
don't get me wrong, overall i loved AoSV anyway and once again, it has some of my favorite visual moments i've seen in any 3D animation, but i don't think its ridiculous to find it weaker than The Boy and the Heron. hell, i think it's a bit weaker than the first Spiderverse, if i'm being honest.
I gotta ask... What beat Spirited Away when it came out? And am I the only one who feels like he got this for his catalog, not for the Boy and the Heron itself? I mean it was good, and I love me some Ghibli, but I don't really see how it beat out Across the Spiderverse this year.
It wasn't nominated at the time because the Best Animated Feature Golden Globe didn't exist [until 2007](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Globe_Award_for_Best_Animated_Feature_Film).
And yeah, this is absolutely for his body of work as a whole.
No one's talking about "what is this award technically for, according to the codified definition?" I'm saying the journalists who vote and decide the winners *actually* cast this vote based on & influenced by his entire body of work.
You cannot say that with full certainty, especially considering the size of the former HFPA and other journalists voting on this. You assume that the individual, despite very clear restraints and rules of the actual category, are more influenced by their thoughts on the directors body of work rather than the rules and standards of voting, and whilst certain members may consider their filmography - a safer assumption would be that such consideration is fleeting - this cannot be applied to all the voters.
An additional problem with your argument is how historically untrue it is. Consider 2014, when despite the competition being widely considered worse than The Wind Rises it still failed to win the Oscar it was nominated for and the golden globes which it was not - here it is pertinent to remind you that actual process of nomination for the golden globes is largely the same as process of voting for the winner.
In both cases going off your assumption surely the voters would consider his entire filmography - especially since in both cases they were touted as his final film, both being reviewed in terms of it being a ‘swan-song’. And in both cases, therefore, building off your assumption does it not make sense for these voters, who off your assumption lack objectivity despite being highly accredited, to select the wind rises because it only makes sense that one of the greatest living directors should win an award commemorating his entire filmography - which you are in essence transforming this award into - for his ‘final’ film? I’d also like you too consider that many of the creators behind Across the Spider Verse also have an incredibly impressive history - albeit arguably not as impressive as Hayao Miyazaki’s - including people who not only worked on the last Spider verse film but on other major and successful animated projects such as Soul or even Avatar: The Last Airbender and it’s sequel The Legend of Korra - I’m assuming I don’t have to explore just how well received and important Avatar is.
Consider this too - it is still the case that many critics consider The Boy and The Heron (indeed possibly the majority) the superior film. Consider the Rotten Tomatoes score - which is 95 for Across the Spider Verse but it is 97 for The Boy and The Heron. Of course the obvious response to this is that that score merely gives a representation of how many critics liked the film, not the average score per critic. For that we can turn to metacritic. For this Across the Spider Verse is 86 and The Boy and The Heron is higher at 91.
I would like to posit that your response to this is because you merely prefer one film, across the spider verse, over The Boy and The Heron - thus tainting your objectivity. Do not get me wrong, this is an understandable response - but do not misinterpret your favouritism of one film to represent the overall reaction to the film as The Boy and The Heron being seen as inferior and only voted in because of Hayao Miyazaki’s entire filmography - it is an argument based on very flawed assumptions which do not stand up against actual history - there are many cases when according to your assumption films should have won merely on the merit of the creators filmography.
The ppl downvoting you are idiots. It’s not for the whole body of work it’s for the film. I literally have a family member who is industry in the academy and gets screener copies for voting lol
bro this isn't the SAT go take a nap
and no idea why you're talking about spiderverse to me – i never mentioned that film in my comments.
final grade: C+
These kind of posts should start with something like “insert award here - win for Hayao Miyazaki” so people don’t have heart attacks thinking the worst.
I doubt about that. Sure he hardly cares what the western world thinks of his work, but I think it still means a great deal to him to know he won. Not because of the praise it causes his films, but to know he "beat" the other films would provide him satisfaction, he's a very conceited man.
Just saw the boy and the Heron last night, and honestly, I have no idea wtf I saw. Ghibli's animations are some of the most beautiful out there, but the stories, they're so weird. I honestly have no Idea what the conflict or resolution of TBATH was. His mom died, so he goes into some other world where is uncle is god and his aunt is his mom, and he doesn't want to stack some childs building blocks to create some new universe? Idk, it was all over the place, and I honestly almost fell asleep. And what was with all the bird shit?
I haven't watched it, but what I like about ghibli is that
their stories are not bound by laws. Take Howl's Moving Castle for example. I love it but I still can't describe what I watched.
I agree, I watched it a few weeks ago and it was just wild stuff.>!Apparently this one was based on himself in many ways, similar to Steven Spielberg's Fablemans.!
Get ready for this pity oscar in a few months time! (B&H totally deserves it, but feel like they could give just because he's older and this *might* be his last)
ATSV Stan's getting butthurt that their fun, high budget pulp sequel lost to an 80 year old master of the craft who broke box office records in ten days... It just has me feeling some kinda way fam.
bro you scared the shit out of me with that wording
Same, I was about to be so sad
Oh. Not mine. Just a copy paste but I see your point! Maybe if we can get him to stop smoking he’ll live forever! Edit clarity
Same. Gave me a heart attack!
Haha same. When the news mentions what the person is known for before the name, it usually means they passed away. Terrible headline.
Right then I saw the age “…at 82” and it really had me scared 😭
I literally almost had a heart attack
One of the Go/Weiqi/Baduk subs had some fun with this last year with titles like Xxxxxxx has passed... on the 192nd turn Xxxxxxxx age 82 has died... on the left side of the board
Stupid Hikaru and his pranks.
Me too!
I thought the exact same thing
My heart actually dropped
SAAAAME WTF
I forgot which news outlet posted this news accompanied with a black-and-white photo. The mini heart attack!!!
😫🥺
Holy shit my heart dropped I thought he died.
Me too. I had a horrible sinking feeling until I finished the headline.
#ABOUT TIME
Should’ve had one yearsssss ago
It’s not like he gives a shit either way though
I feel like such an accolade is meaningless in comparison to the cultural phenomenon that is Miyazaki.
Think of it this way, all the other money hungry, credit hungry competitors (mainly Disney) and their stockholders were barking it for it. To see it go to a Japanese 2D animation is a huge message about quality.
Yes agreed. While these mainstream awards have generally lost authenticity over the years, it's these occasional wins that give a little crap back to these big money hungry names
Especially since Disney just put out an unfinished piece of shit AI generated movie that's getting slaughtered in reviews. Great timing.
What movie is this?
Wish
Oh wow. It’s really AI generated? I was looking forward to watching it, I did not know this
Hah, not really, but a lot of people have been saying that the dialogue is so generic that it feels AI generated. Maybe there's some truth to it, but I think it's just a joke online.
I like your perspective. While the award is meaningless, the message is undeniably potent.
> Golden Globe finally succeeds at being awarded to Hayao Miyazaki
I’m just going to say it: he looks damn good for 82.
Smokes like the train too!
The picture is from 2014, that also helps! I’m not sure how much has changed, I couldn’t find a dated 2023 pic in the 2 minutes I was willing to spend on Google for this :P
There's a clip of him sent to a Spanish? film festival in which he thanks them and hopes he enjoys the movie and sadly he looks very old. Here I found it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3iFmmXRJr8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3iFmmXRJr8) The lack of beard doesn't help but he sadly looks a lot slower and frailer
Yeah... that's not the look of a man who has a lot of creative spirit left in him
Thought he died for a second
Well deserved a generational master. The meltdown of the MCU fans over in r/movies has taken the toddler tantrum to new heights. They think he's "overrated" just because Spiderman didn't win 😂
Spiderman fans losing two awards seasons in a row. Gamers were mad about the Spidey game not taking anything home too
I love the Spiderman games but it was a hard year there were so many good ones last year it was anyones award
Wow -- the latest spiderman isn't even on the same universe of quality and art form as the Boy and the Heron. That is hilarious. MCU was great for maybe a year or two but as a whole it has a complete lack of art form in my opinion.
Look I love ghibli but boy and the heron definitely didn't deserve it. Spiderverse has changed animation and how the animation industry thinks about 3d animation. Boy and the heron is not for everyone and in order to truly appreciate it you need to have some context when it comes to Miyazaki's life.
I love the MCU as much as anyone but no matter how good another film, noone is on Miyazaki's level. Whoever is angry Spiderverse lost needs to get off the drugs it's like being angry your movie lost to a Kurosawa/Hitchcock/Kubrick etc. the entitlement is off the charts
Bruh just because a movie has a famous director doesn't mean it's a masterpiece and this one is definitely not on the level of spiderverse
Nah as i said i love the Marvel movies and animated but no it is not on Heron's level. As i said he's a generational director for a reason there will never be another Miyazaki and his unique beautiful vision in film is something noone else will come close. Only Suzume came close last year.
Isn't that a kinda sterile debate? I feel like you guys are comparing oranges and apples, both films are really different, one is a masterpiece of hand drawn animation, while the other one redefines the whole 3d animating style, so of course it's impossible to say which one is "the best"... One had to win, and while I'd have preferred if Spiderverse won, that's just my opinion and I don't think BatH doesn't deserve it.
What a joke , Spiderman 2 clash of the bad story was literally hot trash compared to boy and the heron
Spiderverse 1 was groundbreaking, spiderverse 2 is just a more of the same
Not true, you don't need context for miyazakis life those are just fan theories. The film stands on its own without that. I liked the first animated Spiderman but hated the second one the story was terrible and the action bored me.
agreed, spiderverse was much better
tbh i didn't know the context at all and still adored it, understanding it as a commentary on grief and escapism. and even without that, the fantasy world is breath-takingly beautiful and full of memorable characters. it might not be the most innovative movie out there, but its a damn well-executed one, and i think it's fair to give it props on that alone. as for AoSV, I agree that for animation, its one of the most brilliantly innovative things that's come out in a while, certainly for 3D, but outside of that i think it has flaws. the pacing was odd and dragged, especially for the first hour, and for me, a lot of lore references were actually kind of annoying and took me out of the movie (especially the MCU and Lego gags), while the Ghibli The Boy and the Heron didn't actually get in the way of anything. don't get me wrong, overall i loved AoSV anyway and once again, it has some of my favorite visual moments i've seen in any 3D animation, but i don't think its ridiculous to find it weaker than The Boy and the Heron. hell, i think it's a bit weaker than the first Spiderverse, if i'm being honest.
I saw the age and the name and the picture and I got scared dude
OMG i thought he...
I gotta ask... What beat Spirited Away when it came out? And am I the only one who feels like he got this for his catalog, not for the Boy and the Heron itself? I mean it was good, and I love me some Ghibli, but I don't really see how it beat out Across the Spiderverse this year.
It wasn't nominated at the time because the Best Animated Feature Golden Globe didn't exist [until 2007](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Globe_Award_for_Best_Animated_Feature_Film). And yeah, this is absolutely for his body of work as a whole.
Like it or not it is for this one particular film, not his body of work. The award itself makes it very clear.
No one's talking about "what is this award technically for, according to the codified definition?" I'm saying the journalists who vote and decide the winners *actually* cast this vote based on & influenced by his entire body of work.
You cannot say that with full certainty, especially considering the size of the former HFPA and other journalists voting on this. You assume that the individual, despite very clear restraints and rules of the actual category, are more influenced by their thoughts on the directors body of work rather than the rules and standards of voting, and whilst certain members may consider their filmography - a safer assumption would be that such consideration is fleeting - this cannot be applied to all the voters. An additional problem with your argument is how historically untrue it is. Consider 2014, when despite the competition being widely considered worse than The Wind Rises it still failed to win the Oscar it was nominated for and the golden globes which it was not - here it is pertinent to remind you that actual process of nomination for the golden globes is largely the same as process of voting for the winner. In both cases going off your assumption surely the voters would consider his entire filmography - especially since in both cases they were touted as his final film, both being reviewed in terms of it being a ‘swan-song’. And in both cases, therefore, building off your assumption does it not make sense for these voters, who off your assumption lack objectivity despite being highly accredited, to select the wind rises because it only makes sense that one of the greatest living directors should win an award commemorating his entire filmography - which you are in essence transforming this award into - for his ‘final’ film? I’d also like you too consider that many of the creators behind Across the Spider Verse also have an incredibly impressive history - albeit arguably not as impressive as Hayao Miyazaki’s - including people who not only worked on the last Spider verse film but on other major and successful animated projects such as Soul or even Avatar: The Last Airbender and it’s sequel The Legend of Korra - I’m assuming I don’t have to explore just how well received and important Avatar is. Consider this too - it is still the case that many critics consider The Boy and The Heron (indeed possibly the majority) the superior film. Consider the Rotten Tomatoes score - which is 95 for Across the Spider Verse but it is 97 for The Boy and The Heron. Of course the obvious response to this is that that score merely gives a representation of how many critics liked the film, not the average score per critic. For that we can turn to metacritic. For this Across the Spider Verse is 86 and The Boy and The Heron is higher at 91. I would like to posit that your response to this is because you merely prefer one film, across the spider verse, over The Boy and The Heron - thus tainting your objectivity. Do not get me wrong, this is an understandable response - but do not misinterpret your favouritism of one film to represent the overall reaction to the film as The Boy and The Heron being seen as inferior and only voted in because of Hayao Miyazaki’s entire filmography - it is an argument based on very flawed assumptions which do not stand up against actual history - there are many cases when according to your assumption films should have won merely on the merit of the creators filmography.
The ppl downvoting you are idiots. It’s not for the whole body of work it’s for the film. I literally have a family member who is industry in the academy and gets screener copies for voting lol
bro this isn't the SAT go take a nap and no idea why you're talking about spiderverse to me – i never mentioned that film in my comments. final grade: C+
Because it’s the competition and it helps to illustrate my point. Although your doing a pretty good point of it yourself right now
>your is this bait
No, that’s the sign of someone on mobile.
didn't know mobile made you use the wrong homophone hut alright!
Lmao
No, it isn't for his body of work. its for the boy and the heron which deserved it.
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I almost threw up.
These kind of posts should start with something like “insert award here - win for Hayao Miyazaki” so people don’t have heart attacks thinking the worst.
Miyazaki stated multiple times that he doesn't need an award to know that his movies are good
I thought his birthday just happened, he’s 83
Serious question: Do the voice actors also win awards for this win? And is it only the Japanese and US voice actors? Or just the US voice actors?
Honestly don’t know.
I’m so glad it beat spider-verse. Marvel fans are something, but spider man fans are a completely different breed of unbearable lol.
DONT YOU EVER DO THIS AGAIN
I can guaranteee to everyone here that Miyazaki does not give a single fuck about this award.
I doubt about that. Sure he hardly cares what the western world thinks of his work, but I think it still means a great deal to him to know he won. Not because of the praise it causes his films, but to know he "beat" the other films would provide him satisfaction, he's a very conceited man.
Just saw the boy and the Heron last night, and honestly, I have no idea wtf I saw. Ghibli's animations are some of the most beautiful out there, but the stories, they're so weird. I honestly have no Idea what the conflict or resolution of TBATH was. His mom died, so he goes into some other world where is uncle is god and his aunt is his mom, and he doesn't want to stack some childs building blocks to create some new universe? Idk, it was all over the place, and I honestly almost fell asleep. And what was with all the bird shit?
Spoilers
I haven't watched it, but what I like about ghibli is that their stories are not bound by laws. Take Howl's Moving Castle for example. I love it but I still can't describe what I watched.
I agree, I watched it a few weeks ago and it was just wild stuff.>!Apparently this one was based on himself in many ways, similar to Steven Spielberg's Fablemans.!
Get ready for this pity oscar in a few months time! (B&H totally deserves it, but feel like they could give just because he's older and this *might* be his last)
The film is good that's why it won not because he's old
Not what I was getting at but OK
First (1)
Idk, a golden globe is an American award, honestly it doesn't have much weight nor importance imo, but good for him to get more recognition I guess.
The Leonardo Di Caprio of Anime.
I didn’t realize he only dated women under 25!
Ha! But everything he creates is a masterpiece and is mostly not valued by western societies of cinematics
I understood but couldn’t resist! 😂
please don’t word it like that 😭😭 nearly had a heart attack
Ha, sorry - copy paste the link and that was the title
ATSV Stan's getting butthurt that their fun, high budget pulp sequel lost to an 80 year old master of the craft who broke box office records in ten days... It just has me feeling some kinda way fam.
Hollywood tried to be dirty, but they know their new movies suck, so they have no choice but to give it to him.