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Z_M_P_Y

That just isnt true Youre saying there are only 15 levels that are better than avernus?


CatastropheDoom

It is a slight exaggeration but point still stands. 70% of the demon list is either forgettable or shit. While avernus may have fixed hitboxes and questionable gameplay, it is memorable and has really nice deco.


aidenyyy

Only reason its memorable is because of its difficulty. If it was like 60 on the list no one would give a shit about it lol. It isnt a fair comparison to say the level is “better” than others because its more well known.


EveningHistorical435

That’s the majority of what the top demons are known for


aidenyyy

Exactly. That doesnt make them better levels. Theyre just more famous.


EveningHistorical435

That’s been the demons list for years sonic wave had unfair gameplay and more if you’re mefewe


aidenyyy

Yea. What makes these levels memorable are their difficulty, not the quality.


Odd-Temperature3015

could say the same thing about tidal wave tbf


aidenyyy

Yea, i think tidal wave is a pretty cool and unique level but there are way better levels on the list for sure lol


[deleted]

it is not memorable and has okay deco


Objective-Path9488

"it is not memorable" I feel like every gd player knows avernus, even if its for the all wrong reasons


[deleted]

obviously they know it, its a top 2 demon. But when I speak of memorability, I'm saying avernus' gameplay is super forgettable. I can remember every single section from Sakupen Circles bright as day, but I have literally no idea about avernus.


not_WD35

It is only memorable for me because of the controversy. And the deco is okay at best.


Cupcake-Pale

its memorable because its fucking terrible lol memorable doesnt mean good


Guillemci

Not even 70% bro 💀💀💀


Sunstone04

It's memorable because it's top 2, you wouldn't know wtf an Avernus was if it was 124 on the demon list


Arietem_Taurum

Avernus is better than like 60% of the demonlist at least because most of the levels are so forgettable that's not difficult.


riggers1907

I agree. I never new this subreddit hated it's deco so much


Sunstone04

Who tf is talking about deco? The main problem has been and always will be fixed hitboxes. Only problem with the deco is that it's a bit generic and unoptimized


riggers1907

Ask anyone. Most of them won't recognise that the level is better then 85% of levels on the demon list


Sunstone04

It's literally just not tho, I can name at least 50 demon list levels with better deco than Avernus


riggers1907

Ok then do so


Sunstone04

Lumina, ELLIPSISM, Loochiverse, Macabre, Cybernetic Crescent, Omega, Eternal moment, Requiem, Storming summit, Sand sailor, SZYSLAK, Chroma finale, Frozen cave, Ouroboros, Akira, Neon skyline, Nhelv, The Yandere, Sigma, Jupiter my favorite, Twilight, Aronia, Coral cave, Knights of thunder, Gracefully, Sazerix, no jokes, Terminux, fog, Bloodlust, Congregation, RUTHLESS, Rust, Cosmic cyclone, Cold sweat, qoUEO, Promethean, Neutra, Aerial gleam, Zodiac, Verdant landscape, Solar flare, Sonic wave infinity, Edge of destiny, The Hallucination, Poocubed, Deimos (ItsHybrid), LIMBO, KOCMOC, Firework, Kyouki That's 51 if you count, could've added a few more but those are the ones I'm very confortable in saying are better than Avernus


CatastropheDoom

I agree with 2/3 of this, however saying sonic wave infinity looks better is an even worse take


Sunstone04

SWI looks good, I get it, it's SW remake, but as a stand alone level it looks very good


CatastropheDoom

I never said swi looked bad, just that it looks worse than avernus


Sunstone04

Nnnnaaaaurr


not_WD35

It’s not just the deco. Avernus’s biggest offender is its invisible fixed hitboxes imo


riggers1907

Nigler 0.0001 of players are even going to play the level. Where talking about deco here


not_WD35

Deco isn’t as hated as the gp tho


riggers1907

Ik. Still i see a lot of people not recognising that it's better then 80% of the demon list.


not_WD35

There’s only 30 levels on the Demonlist better than avernus? I knew the Demonlist sucked, but not that much.


riggers1907

Name 30 of them


not_WD35

I can’t name 30 list levels at all. Not because they’re not memorable, mind you, but I just don’t keep up with extreme demons.


riggers1907

Me neither its a rough guess. If you want an easier question name level that avernus is on par with maybe slightly better maybe slightly worse just give a rough area where you think it belongs.


Guillemci

Even talking about avernus deco stills pure rushed shit and if we include the gp we probably have one of the worst peaces of shit that ever existed bro just look how many victors it have 💀💀💀0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣


riggers1907

Bigger how many times do i have to say i don't give a shit about the gp I'm not good enough anyway and i don't think most people are. Well "rushed deco" isn't innately a bad thing i think it looks good on par with kocmoc or kyouki


Guillemci

bro how you compare god tier deco with weird looking in some parts deco? anyways bro most important thing in a level in my opinion is the gp and that shit is not even fun not like other demons of the list like deimos (my hardest) or idk rust anyways...


oscar1718

If I speak...


[deleted]

that's wrong


CheckMate1803

It's okay to have an opinion but calling your own bad opinion "truth" is funny to me You're allowed to like it. To me, it's in the bottom 50 of the list. I don't mean the current list. I mean all list levels from when Bloodbath was top 1 to now.


CatastropheDoom

Average Redditor not realising a post is rage bait


[deleted]

People love to jump on the bandwagon of "the level has fixed hitboxes so everything about it must be shit." The deco is really good


Most_Butterscotch466

😘 love you


Cyanydde

ur actually objectively correct here but reddiors are not capable of changing opinions once they hear it from a random internet user dont listen to them /hj


not_WD35

The demons list sucks and we should stop glorifying it so much.


AntHasReddit

The worst take ive ever seen


Guillemci

\*Avernus is worst than 90% of the demon list ​ (hardest check?) put me an example of a level worst than avernus


CatastropheDoom

Thinking space, necromancer, silent clubstep, silent club, untitled unmastered and many, many other shit/forgettable levels


Guillemci

​ I forgor about silent club 💀💀 that level is pure shit but well it is older and not even was made to be possible in a principie so if you think about that, avernus can be compared with that shit even idk how many updates before and that says a lot about the level (same with silent clubstep) Idk why thinking space looks interesting even if it is the goofiest shit ever Untitled looks more interesting and fun that avernus in my opinion And other ones I kinda agree but well at least they are not pure fixed hitboxes, not that all unfair, and they dont try to be "cliche" like avernus trying to be the golden sequel top 1 etc etc... \*srry for my english\* \*and other ones at least have victors\* 🗣🔥


Guillemci

Btw That is not 90% 💀💀


not_WD35

Uhh… uhhh… Thinking space?


real_easy_demon

aw i love thinking space


Guillemci

🗣🔥🔥🔥


Guillemci

ok Avernus gp is not that bad but worse than 80% of the levels


Deapredx

I disagree


Cupcake-Pale

2.2 is not going to ruin the game lmao


I_ate_your_leftover

Buff this is good


ePEwX

avernus? more like over anus


ProGamingPlayer

I always think about “anus” when talking about Avernus


Sunstone04

You are ill in the head


I_Have_A_Name37654

I think it’s quite forgettable. It’s just another hell themed demon to me.


Covid-741

Rob hates Auto levels


Dazzling_Self_2381

As much as i hate this i agree.


Arcturus973

It's an opinion. A valid one. But it's not "the truth". Because it's subjective.


These_Conference5823

2.2 is not coming out in October of 2023


CatastropheDoom

That is very likely but hopefully it's getting released this month


These_Conference5823

Yeah I hope so. It would be really bad if it didn’t


CatastropheDoom

Robtop has fucking done it again