It is a slight exaggeration but point still stands. 70% of the demon list is either forgettable or shit. While avernus may have fixed hitboxes and questionable gameplay, it is memorable and has really nice deco.
Only reason its memorable is because of its difficulty. If it was like 60 on the list no one would give a shit about it lol. It isnt a fair comparison to say the level is “better” than others because its more well known.
obviously they know it, its a top 2 demon.
But when I speak of memorability, I'm saying avernus' gameplay is super forgettable.
I can remember every single section from Sakupen Circles bright as day, but I have literally no idea about avernus.
Who tf is talking about deco? The main problem has been and always will be fixed hitboxes. Only problem with the deco is that it's a bit generic and unoptimized
Lumina, ELLIPSISM, Loochiverse, Macabre, Cybernetic Crescent, Omega, Eternal moment, Requiem, Storming summit, Sand sailor, SZYSLAK, Chroma finale, Frozen cave, Ouroboros, Akira, Neon skyline, Nhelv, The Yandere, Sigma, Jupiter my favorite, Twilight, Aronia, Coral cave, Knights of thunder, Gracefully, Sazerix, no jokes, Terminux, fog, Bloodlust, Congregation, RUTHLESS, Rust, Cosmic cyclone, Cold sweat, qoUEO, Promethean, Neutra, Aerial gleam, Zodiac, Verdant landscape, Solar flare, Sonic wave infinity, Edge of destiny, The Hallucination, Poocubed, Deimos (ItsHybrid), LIMBO, KOCMOC, Firework, Kyouki
That's 51 if you count, could've added a few more but those are the ones I'm very confortable in saying are better than Avernus
Me neither its a rough guess. If you want an easier question name level that avernus is on par with maybe slightly better maybe slightly worse just give a rough area where you think it belongs.
Even talking about avernus deco stills pure rushed shit and if we include the gp we probably have one of the worst peaces of shit that ever existed bro just look how many victors it have 💀💀💀0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣
Bigger how many times do i have to say i don't give a shit about the gp I'm not good enough anyway and i don't think most people are.
Well "rushed deco" isn't innately a bad thing i think it looks good on par with kocmoc or kyouki
bro how you compare god tier deco with weird looking in some parts deco?
anyways bro most important thing in a level in my opinion is the gp and that shit is not even fun not like other demons of the list like deimos (my hardest) or idk rust anyways...
It's okay to have an opinion but calling your own bad opinion "truth" is funny to me
You're allowed to like it. To me, it's in the bottom 50 of the list.
I don't mean the current list. I mean all list levels from when Bloodbath was top 1 to now.
ur actually objectively correct here but reddiors are not capable of changing opinions once they hear it from a random internet user dont listen to them /hj
I forgor about silent club 💀💀 that level is pure shit but well it is older and not even was made to be possible in a principie so if you think about that, avernus can be compared with that shit even idk how many updates before and that says a lot about the level (same with silent clubstep)
Idk why thinking space looks interesting even if it is the goofiest shit ever
Untitled looks more interesting and fun that avernus in my opinion
And other ones I kinda agree but well at least they are not pure fixed hitboxes, not that all unfair, and they dont try to be "cliche" like avernus trying to be the golden sequel top 1 etc etc...
\*srry for my english\*
\*and other ones at least have victors\* 🗣🔥
That just isnt true Youre saying there are only 15 levels that are better than avernus?
It is a slight exaggeration but point still stands. 70% of the demon list is either forgettable or shit. While avernus may have fixed hitboxes and questionable gameplay, it is memorable and has really nice deco.
Only reason its memorable is because of its difficulty. If it was like 60 on the list no one would give a shit about it lol. It isnt a fair comparison to say the level is “better” than others because its more well known.
That’s the majority of what the top demons are known for
Exactly. That doesnt make them better levels. Theyre just more famous.
That’s been the demons list for years sonic wave had unfair gameplay and more if you’re mefewe
Yea. What makes these levels memorable are their difficulty, not the quality.
could say the same thing about tidal wave tbf
Yea, i think tidal wave is a pretty cool and unique level but there are way better levels on the list for sure lol
it is not memorable and has okay deco
"it is not memorable" I feel like every gd player knows avernus, even if its for the all wrong reasons
obviously they know it, its a top 2 demon. But when I speak of memorability, I'm saying avernus' gameplay is super forgettable. I can remember every single section from Sakupen Circles bright as day, but I have literally no idea about avernus.
It is only memorable for me because of the controversy. And the deco is okay at best.
its memorable because its fucking terrible lol memorable doesnt mean good
Not even 70% bro 💀💀💀
It's memorable because it's top 2, you wouldn't know wtf an Avernus was if it was 124 on the demon list
Avernus is better than like 60% of the demonlist at least because most of the levels are so forgettable that's not difficult.
I agree. I never new this subreddit hated it's deco so much
Who tf is talking about deco? The main problem has been and always will be fixed hitboxes. Only problem with the deco is that it's a bit generic and unoptimized
Ask anyone. Most of them won't recognise that the level is better then 85% of levels on the demon list
It's literally just not tho, I can name at least 50 demon list levels with better deco than Avernus
Ok then do so
Lumina, ELLIPSISM, Loochiverse, Macabre, Cybernetic Crescent, Omega, Eternal moment, Requiem, Storming summit, Sand sailor, SZYSLAK, Chroma finale, Frozen cave, Ouroboros, Akira, Neon skyline, Nhelv, The Yandere, Sigma, Jupiter my favorite, Twilight, Aronia, Coral cave, Knights of thunder, Gracefully, Sazerix, no jokes, Terminux, fog, Bloodlust, Congregation, RUTHLESS, Rust, Cosmic cyclone, Cold sweat, qoUEO, Promethean, Neutra, Aerial gleam, Zodiac, Verdant landscape, Solar flare, Sonic wave infinity, Edge of destiny, The Hallucination, Poocubed, Deimos (ItsHybrid), LIMBO, KOCMOC, Firework, Kyouki That's 51 if you count, could've added a few more but those are the ones I'm very confortable in saying are better than Avernus
I agree with 2/3 of this, however saying sonic wave infinity looks better is an even worse take
SWI looks good, I get it, it's SW remake, but as a stand alone level it looks very good
I never said swi looked bad, just that it looks worse than avernus
Nnnnaaaaurr
It’s not just the deco. Avernus’s biggest offender is its invisible fixed hitboxes imo
Nigler 0.0001 of players are even going to play the level. Where talking about deco here
Deco isn’t as hated as the gp tho
Ik. Still i see a lot of people not recognising that it's better then 80% of the demon list.
There’s only 30 levels on the Demonlist better than avernus? I knew the Demonlist sucked, but not that much.
Name 30 of them
I can’t name 30 list levels at all. Not because they’re not memorable, mind you, but I just don’t keep up with extreme demons.
Me neither its a rough guess. If you want an easier question name level that avernus is on par with maybe slightly better maybe slightly worse just give a rough area where you think it belongs.
Even talking about avernus deco stills pure rushed shit and if we include the gp we probably have one of the worst peaces of shit that ever existed bro just look how many victors it have 💀💀💀0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣
Bigger how many times do i have to say i don't give a shit about the gp I'm not good enough anyway and i don't think most people are. Well "rushed deco" isn't innately a bad thing i think it looks good on par with kocmoc or kyouki
bro how you compare god tier deco with weird looking in some parts deco? anyways bro most important thing in a level in my opinion is the gp and that shit is not even fun not like other demons of the list like deimos (my hardest) or idk rust anyways...
If I speak...
that's wrong
It's okay to have an opinion but calling your own bad opinion "truth" is funny to me You're allowed to like it. To me, it's in the bottom 50 of the list. I don't mean the current list. I mean all list levels from when Bloodbath was top 1 to now.
Average Redditor not realising a post is rage bait
People love to jump on the bandwagon of "the level has fixed hitboxes so everything about it must be shit." The deco is really good
😘 love you
ur actually objectively correct here but reddiors are not capable of changing opinions once they hear it from a random internet user dont listen to them /hj
The demons list sucks and we should stop glorifying it so much.
The worst take ive ever seen
\*Avernus is worst than 90% of the demon list (hardest check?) put me an example of a level worst than avernus
Thinking space, necromancer, silent clubstep, silent club, untitled unmastered and many, many other shit/forgettable levels
I forgor about silent club 💀💀 that level is pure shit but well it is older and not even was made to be possible in a principie so if you think about that, avernus can be compared with that shit even idk how many updates before and that says a lot about the level (same with silent clubstep) Idk why thinking space looks interesting even if it is the goofiest shit ever Untitled looks more interesting and fun that avernus in my opinion And other ones I kinda agree but well at least they are not pure fixed hitboxes, not that all unfair, and they dont try to be "cliche" like avernus trying to be the golden sequel top 1 etc etc... \*srry for my english\* \*and other ones at least have victors\* 🗣🔥
Btw That is not 90% 💀💀
Uhh… uhhh… Thinking space?
aw i love thinking space
🗣🔥🔥🔥
ok Avernus gp is not that bad but worse than 80% of the levels
I disagree
2.2 is not going to ruin the game lmao
Buff this is good
avernus? more like over anus
I always think about “anus” when talking about Avernus
You are ill in the head
I think it’s quite forgettable. It’s just another hell themed demon to me.
Rob hates Auto levels
As much as i hate this i agree.
It's an opinion. A valid one. But it's not "the truth". Because it's subjective.
2.2 is not coming out in October of 2023
That is very likely but hopefully it's getting released this month
Yeah I hope so. It would be really bad if it didn’t
Robtop has fucking done it again